/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>777864
What the fuck?

>Hans Asperger, an early researcher in autism, has been linked to the Nazi regime due to his involvement in the referral of disabled children to a clinic where many were killed as part of the Nazis' euthanasia program. This troubling history has led to significant reevaluation of his legacy and the term "Asperger syndrome."
do not endorse or accept Nazi psychology

I am Like REALLY pissed off at the Western medical care system and how it profits heavily off of how many people have a diagnosable illness which can be 'managed' instead of treated. This applies across the board from mental to physical health - why cure someone when you can make money off of them for a lifetime? Why break down a psychological barrier to help someone overcome themselves when you can prescribe them Zoloft instead? I am of course not saying ALL people in these fields are moneygrubbing scumbags, and sometimes prescriptions IS the best answer, I just find it disturbing that we are living in a time WHERE SO MANY PEOPLE suddenly have an incurable, lifetime, mental and/or physical issue and began noticing a pattern among certain demographics (mainly artists and introverts). And by 'suddenly' I mean the last couple decades, you can look at census data and see a huge spike in mental issues like aspergers and autism over the past 30 years.

Could it be overdiagnosing? Most likely. Could it be the vaccinations? IDK, can't speak on that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were to be proven as a contributing factor. Either way, I went off my rocker and wrote this journal after some research for a Psych course I happened to be taking in college. I still stand by my words, I just want to put this in perspective. It isn't an attack on the entire medical industry, or claiming anyone's illness is 'fake', I just want to point out the systemic issues potential misdiagnosis's create and studies have already been conducted for this very reason. In fact here is an article from The APA, where a PhD Psychologist brings to the forefront the problem with expanding the definitions of ADHD that intersect with other mental disorders, as well as questioning the possible factors leading to misdiagnosing children and teens.

Hinshaw's words in this statement made my skin crawl:
<"Finally, we decided to look outside of psychology and outside of the health-care system because inside it, we couldn't explain the discrepancies. [What we are surmising] is that policy had an indirect influence over these diagnoses. We found that during the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s, several states passed consequential accountability laws, which basically changed the philosophy of schools: Instead of funding schools based on the number of students in them, funding became based on their students' standardized math and reading test scores. Schools were rewarded for doing better. At the same time, standardized test scores in the South were the lowest in the nation and as a result, these states didn't get as much funding.

That's when we knew we were onto something, because if you want to improve test scores, one way of doing that is to have children diagnosed so you can get extra money from the school district to help tutor them or put them in smaller classes. Basically, you diagnose these kids because improving their performance helps the school's performance.

Some states even allowed you to take students diagnosed with ADHD out of the pool that was used to judge your school, with the understanding that these kids probably perform lower, and if you have more of them, that shouldn't be held against you. "
That is the kind of misdiagnosis based upon greed that pisses me right the F off.
That's right, Ima say it, someone's gotta say it. It's BULLSHIT most if not all of the time, and I'm pretty certain it's a modern day scam that specifically targets concerned parents' of youth who often classify as the 'unpopular kids.' It became concerning to me (honestly) ever since I had to complete an essay on the condition(s) <[just out of curiosity] for a psychology course last semester, there is NO WAY IN HELL so many people should be diagnosed with aspergers/autism when in fact they're literally just either;
>Independent thinkers
>escapists
>introverts
>[the most common]flat out going through the fucking motions of growing up.
^That's what these 'diagnosis' mainly target and then next thing you know the kids/teens in question are prescribed a bunch of mind-altering prescription drugs that could potentially create a mental issue they wouldn't have otherwise acquired. The reason I say it's 95% and not full on 100% BS is because a small fraction of people do legitimately have this 'condition' (these are often the cases classified as low functioners' - whereas 'high functioners' are essentially normal fucking people) that causes them to have really poor speech patterns, no grip on reality, banging their heads against walls and shit, etc. But for the majority of cases these are normal people who've been tricked into believing they're what is known as a 'high functioning' autistic/aspergers.
You can look at the symptoms and tell that it's BS
>A failure to act properly for social norms ie; displaying selective mutism, speaking not at all to most people and excessively to specific people. Some may choose only to talk to people they like.
^ THIS IS LITERALLY EVERY FUCKING PERSON ON THE PLANET. People as a species are naturally programmed to be this way, dealing with friends, family, co-workers (people whom we've developed a relationship with) 99% of the time are the MAIN people we talk to and socialize with. We are pack animals in a way. As a social standard we acknowledge strangers with a 'hi' or 'hello' out of courtesy but it is NOT unusual for strangers to go 'mute' around people they don't know and/or have zero interest in. Especially those who have a low class v.s. high class mentality (ex; the rich girl at Starbucks who deliberately ignores everyone unless necessary because 'they're not on her level')
>May analyze and distill their observations of social interaction into rigid behavioral guidelines. Sometimes resulting in the desire for companionship becoming numbed through failed encounters.
^ First off following 'rigid behavioral guidelines' is something virtually everyone does. There's a reason you talk differently amongst your friends than you do with your parents or boss. If you don't adopt (observe) the set social guidelines society has placed on us, you will find yourself in more awkward situations than need be. There's of course room to be yourself but only when the situation applies. In childhood everyone has 'training ground' for social networking in the outside world, yes, sometimes after so many failed attempts humans tend to get anxiety and quit. This isn't a isolated trait of any condition. It's called you grew up in a environment where people weren't very kind/open to you - because honestly when your that young once a similar interest is established (barbies, Pokemon,fart jokes, etc) making friends is a cake walk. This is often what creates introverts; they didn't get the lovey-dovey friendship experience and end up learning how to entertain themselves. NOT a psychological disorder as some would like to claim.
>Show interest in few activities and obsess over the ones they do.
^ DOESN'T EVERY FUCKING BODY??! Ask any given person on the street what they enjoy doing and chances are they do that list of things as often as they can (a form of obsession) because it brings them enjoyment. Once habits form, it's rare more are incorporated, that's why we've term(s) like 'dare-devils', 'thrill seekers' and 'risk takers' because majority of people are afraid of unfamiliarity. Some activities in question also carry the weight of potential future opportunities, this is the case with most artistic fields (film, graphic design, photography) and a certain portion of you has to 'obsess' over it to some degree because without that motivational drive you will eventually lose interest, stop progressing and quit. 'Obsession' is the reason people like Steve Jobs, Walt Disney, and Stan Lee are successful entrepreneur's - yet before all the glory they were viewed as obsessive with delusional goals. Which leads into another 'symptom'
>Often have interest in some form of artistic activity and tend to enjoy creating fantasy worlds rather than live in reality.
^ Alrighty. So your an artist? Furthermore a good portion of you are artists' who use your skill as a sort of escapism? AND THIS IS A PROBLEM HOW??? Lets make this clear; ALL PEOPLE ENJOY SOME FORM OF ESCAPISM , because if we don't and just go through the pressure of life responsibilities and hardships with no form of emotional/mental release you will go fucking insane - or become suicidal, whichever comes first. I hate this one the most, because it automatically wants to label the 'creatives' (people prone to use the right side of the brain) with some kind of predisposition. If you are unable to 'detach' from reality and create your own good luck making a amazing fantastical story like Harry Potter, Star Wars, The Matrix, The Hunger Games, etc. even something more grounded in reality like a new scientific invention or sneaking into Bring Me The Horizon backstage requires some form of creative thinking incorporating what you already know/learned to something no-one has attempted. There is a difference between enjoying the immersion of a fantasy-movie like Zootopia - and then wanting to act out everyday as if you really fucking LIVE in Zootopia. < however this same logical thinking shouldn't be applied to children under 10 (the age-range people commonly mislabel autistic/aspergers); when we're young we naturally attach to things, sometimes for months until something else takes priority - its part of being a damn kid.
>Aren't very popular in school, doesn't fit in ie; loners.
^ This is literally marked as a 'symptom' - being unpopular. Particularity in Highschool. Its fucking ridiculous and makes me wonder exactly WHAT parent would listen to this sad excuse? Being popular and/or well liked by the student body isn't exactly something earned from being the nicest kid on the block, or even being the most bad-ass kid on the block, its earned by being an overconfident, pretentious, narcissistic, insecure, judgmental asshole. Doesn't matter if your in private or public school, THAT is the main prototype. The only other way to 'get in' is by means of some great talent everyone knows about or being that 'it' person in any given sports team or club. Not to mention since WHEN did NOT fitting in become an issue? Last time I checked it was encouraged to be brave enough to be yourself at this stage of life, not conform. Sadly, instead of taking into account the person has probably become socially withdrawn as a response maneuver to failed friendships, bullying, unacceptance(which can be anything from being gay to dressing different) and/or emotional issues in the home, nooooooooo you got a mental condition! Here's some pills to make you happy! This is a part of growing up. Highschool especially is a milestone that many rather not revisit because growing up meant facing a reality of douchebaggery and insecurity with some good times sprinkled in between.
>Often use a lot hand gestures and facial movement during conversation.
^ And? SO? In that case that means a lot of Italians and African people must be autistic/aspergers because boy-oh-boy do they love to emphasize what they're saying with hand movements and facial expression! This isn't a damn symptom of anything, it's called being fucking expressive when you talk, instead of a cardboard cut-out.
>Have a general lack of sympathy for others.
^ This can be related to a number of things, but often, a general lack of being sympathy is either (1) your a self-absorbed asshole (2) your a sociopath or (3) you've been through some shit and apply sympathy when you deem it truly necessary. Most people labelled as autistic/aspergers fall in line with category (3) which to a person like me whose been through some shit of her own, is easy to understand. After life throws you a few punches you tend to not fall down and cry for every little thing that happens to you or others - life has taught you too be stronger than that. People with this kind of thinking will be there for you emotionally if your dog dies, or you were unrightfully hurt/humiliated, etc. BUT DO NOT expect them to give a fuck about your day being ruined because you broke-up with that person everyone warned you about months ago.
>1 out of 10 adults shed Autism/Aspergers by their mid 20's.
^ I love this…It literally discredits so much without even realizing it…unfuckingbelieavable. Wonder whyyyy that is? Could it be because most of the symptoms representative of these two conditions are that of normal fucking growing pains in life!? And by the time your 20-something you've figured shit out by then and are (maybe) less awkward than before!?? Amazing! I didn't know people could overcome their emotional burdens and move on with a fully functional life!

So now I'm gonna stop here. Because to dissect everything wrong would be a Ph.D thesis paper, but you get the point.
Posted it here on DA because there are a lot of artist on here who (of course) are 'supposedly' q-o-q autistic/aspergers and when you examine how they act/speak/talk it doesn't add up.
So again, there are people who LEGITIMATELY have issues, but for the most part kids/teens being labelled with these conditions generally DONT have them, the system is pigeonholing specific personality types, not taking into account each individual is unique and people aren't cut-outs, but for some odd reason their parent's aren't thinking for themselves and blindly believe the doctor whose now prescribing them psychological drugs that could cause more harm than good.

>>778766
Deviant Art?

hi guys

>>778753
Nazi psychology was based on eighteenth/nineteenth century volk sentiment.
Our modern education system was adapted from German autocratic tendencies

>>778766
>I love this…It literally discredits so much without even realizing it…unfuckingbelieavable. Wonder whyyyy that is? Could it be because most of the symptoms representative of these two conditions are that of normal fucking growing pains in life!? And by the time your 20-something you've figured shit out by then and are (maybe) less awkward than before!?? Amazing! I didn't know people could overcome their emotional burdens and move on with a fully functional life!

In theory. I think it’s mainly cultural. Society comicalizes/patronizes youth too much.

In fact, I would say your whole post basically explains that autism as a diagnosis is showing us how society pathologizes youth for the slightest flaw and nuance.
Most of our modern diagnostics seem to be more obsessed with controlling the whims of children down to a T.

Kids aren’t allowed to have individuality in schools.
Schools practice collective punishment and group projects far too often.

Schools also treats children as all the same on basis of age rather than skill set.

As for your bit about high school: Hogh school doesn’t conform to the media stereotypes either cynical or nostalgic.

What makes it depressing is the lack of personhood you were allowed.
Kids are never seen as people, only as diagnostic lists.

Any and all behavior is always blamed on “hormones” or “brain development “ as if though childhood is not an individual experience.

Schools discourage nuance and individuality and cynicism. In some countries, kids are forced by law to join after school clubs

>>778766
The brain development theory was promoted by big pharma to justify parents and teachers infantilizing young adults and giving them more meds and extended schooling.
It is now being used as an excuse for delayed maturation

>>778766
People forget that autism is a neurocognitive disorder not simply a social disorder

There are a lot of people whom are awkward but are neurotypical.

>>773118
This. It’s why I wish society would stop pathologizing solitude and singlehood. Some people are better off alone. They will need help but they don’t need constant socialization.

>>778766
greatest thing about imageboards is when pseuds who have never read a book suddenly think theyre smarter than people who have spent decades studying a subject. you see this all the time with all sorts of subjects like psychology, archeology, history, philosophy. the average channer thinks hes a genius and every professional is a fraud, its such an insane level of ego icant comprehend

NPD and BPD bheaviour

Did you know these people can gave babies that become straight country music stars?

>>778991
What’s really funny is how they complain about brain rot/slop despite having their own preferences of recycled inside jokes and reminiscing and how they use Reddit, Twitter, and any major platform as a slur despite visiting said sites for aspiring discussion threads

>>779003
I cant find if on youtube, provably only in a mental hospital. The actual struggle with accepting life and its beauty and getting hit with a retard hammer like whack a mole is pretty strong on there though

>>779011
Youre acentric and anti austism

>>779015
????

>>779011
Also rage bated easily…

>>779020
I guess that makes you a grumpy old man then

Shhh. Autism speaks.

>>778855
Hi

How can I tell if I'm autistic if I already have ADHD and OCD?
Is there a surefire "if you never experienced this you're probably not autistic"?
I also think my sensory issues are minimal, if anything I'm more hyposensitive than most neurotypicals.

>>781675
I forgot to add that I work construction full time and I live independently. This was after being homeless multiple times and barely holding dead end jobs for more than a few weeks. Things like that make me doubt I could be genuinely autistic, among other things.
However, the part that confuses me is when I see autistic people with degrees, families, success, etc. meanwhile I never even went to high school and "loneliness" is an alien concept to me, which even many autists seem to experience. I really don't understand.

I heard I can find 420 Chan museum thread somewhere here. Can you retard communists help me out?

>>781677
They were probably just luckier than you.

>>781691
I just meant how even many autists seem more "normal" than me, even though I 'just' have ADHD and OCD. They've also tried to suggest C-PTSD, which might explain some things. But even many people with genuinely severe childhood trauma turn out otherwise "normal" people. The part that I don't understand is why I'm SO completely different if I'm not even autistic.

>>781694
As an autistic person myself, you seem more normal and better off.
Autism s a curse. Idk why God gave me this.

>>781699
This is the first time I've ever lived on my own, much less held a job for more than a few weeks, and that's mostly thanks to Adderall. I'm an alcoholic but I recently became sober, and just a few days after quitting I became so angry I screamed my violent thoughts in public out of nowhere then ran away once I realized what I did. I haven't done that in months. My OCD is also continuing to get worse again, and I had an hour long panic attack yesterday as a result.
Many days it still feels like I'm hanging on by a thread. I'm still poor, I still have no friends (not that I want any to be fair), and I still feel just as lost as ever. For a month or two, I almost felt alive. Then it all came crashing down like it always does. It's like I'm not allowed to experience genuine happiness for too long otherwise the universe punishes me.
Despite my abysmal social skills, emotional dysregulation, and executive dysfunction, my daily existence still tends to be fairly spontaneous, I do not rely on routines or predictability, and sensory issues largely do not impair my day-to-day life. I guess that's what separates me from autism.

wow you guys really are just a bunch of insufferable faggots, aren't u?

>>781778
Harsh post. Didn't mean to kill discussion. You all have a good day

I don't know how to feel about this condition that i have lived with my entire life. A part of me wishes that i never autistic, but a part of me doesn't? it (mostly my add but still) had caused me so many problems in my life but is (probably) one of the main reasons for some of the intrests that i hold dear. I used to believe there really wasn't anything inherently wrong with us and it was just due to society's repression and perhaps even a good thing, but now with more knowledge of the topic, observing how other autists act, including anti social tendencies that seemingly have its origin with this condition, as well as seeing toxic people using this line of reasoning, I've started to doubt it, especially after seeing palantir's ceo alex karp parroting some of this rhetoric, which is disturbingly looking more similar to eugenics, yet i don't want to view this as some kind of sickness or moral failing that i, a weak helpless victim, need to be cured of or at least be cruelly made to mask. Ableism and eugenics against us is still a very real thing; like, I mean, have you seen what some psychotic opportunists online will do to what they may deem as "lolcows"? I don't know anymore, man. I'm so confused and uncertain to the point that it's just depressing.

>>782013
As an autist, I think there ought to be a cure

I tire of people trying to coddle/defend autism as some misunderstood quirk
Autism needs a lot of sympathy but it should not be encouraged to breed.

>>782013
Also, a lot of our quirky/nuances hobbyists aren’t autistic

>>772745
I have many "markers" for autism and when I took a MMPI/WAIS-IV for an unrelated condition, the proctor-doctor thought I should test for autism. My therapist thinks that it's trauma responses which can be similar to autism. I don't care about routine and in fact seek out novelty and do not have repetitive behaviors, but I am socially awkward at times and definitely do "masking" (which is also common in ptsd)
What do you think leftypol

>>782021
I dont wish to imply you to be a eugenecist just from one post but the language it inhibits sounds too eerily similar, the breed part especially

>>782028
and from what i have seen, eugenics always lead down a dangerous road

>>782028
Why is this board so obsessed with breeding?
Seriously?
Most of you don’t have any patience or skill for women or children

>>782029
It’s ironic that leftists cry about eugenics but then they support abortion

>>782028
Would you want a world where the majority of people are autistic?

>>782028
If you base your value/purpose of life on wanting to pass off your genes, everything seems like “eugenics” to you

>>782032
i wish for a world where the majority live good healthy lives and not be hampered for what they were born with

>>782031
what does abortion have to do with eugenics? Educated, high income people are more likely to get abortions than poor dummies

>>782031
>>782051
If anything, abortion functions as reverse-eugenics

>>782053
How?
This doesn’t make sense
Abortion means sniffing out fetuses
You know that Leftypol agrees that fetuses should be rid of if they have Down Syndrome?
If women decided to abort their fetuses for having autism out of individual preferences, making autism extinct, would you consider it eugenics?

>>782051
How true is this?

>>782050
Then, would be willing to live in a world where nine tenths of the human population is autistic?
Not just a slight touch either. But level two or three type of autism?

>>782245
For some reason specifically Camels gave me terrible headaches.

>>772746
Tom you've really gotta learn to take westoid sources less seriously