/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>782705
Wait so you don't think loli should be illegal? What did you even argue about for 100 posts then?

Hey, I think I found who the puritanical britbong’s real identity is. We got played: https://fstube.net/w/sqvrt4cMmaiA5uY2cuT5Kj

Remember: Not using VPNs saves children. Let the state spy on you and arrest you for mean words and icky toons.

Also, isn’t it funny how the best he can come up with is “muh normalisation” as if that’s a bad thing, and how it’s all a deflection to move the debate from material analysis to idealism because he’d know he loses the debate if he ever gave up on moralisms?

Like, 100% of anti-Lolicon arguments come down to bourgeois moralisms.

>>782806
He just wanted to virtue-signal and be a retard about it, plain and simple. Shitlib brit bongs are just like that.

Lolicon is bourgeois art because it depicts children being fucked which is what the bourgeoisie does, simple as

>>782858
Lolicon is proletarian art because it depicts children being fucked which is what the proletariat does, simple as

http://www.spartacist.org/english/wv/876/canadasex.html

https://fstube.net/w/9TVsS8RDASfjN5fsEMcC84

https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/Communism

>>782859
Moar:

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/periodicals/spartakist/158_2005_Spring_Spartakist.pdf

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/icl-spartacists/periodicals/spartakist/155_2004_Summer_Spartakist.pdf

I don't know about any of this, but I just fucking hate vtubers in general.

>>782859
Sorry but the ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas which is why epsteinite art depicting children being raped is actually bourgeois. Also petit bourgeois and fascist as the freelancers who do pedophile drawings are sometimes self employed and loli and child rape are stapples of modern neo nazi culture

>>782805
>rebuke my points
You have no points or arguments. You have fallacies, while clearly ignoring the parts of my argument that address your fallacies. I see no point in engaging your bullshit when you argue in bad faith.

Then again I expect no less from CSA apologists.
>Posts definition that doesn't actually contradict anything I said about it being a mental disorder.
>Posts a link to a "study" about reducing stigma for being a pedophile
<wow this study totally isn't biased!
You're a pedo apologist grasping at straws. Pedos need medical help, you need a beating for being a scumbag.
>"Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children."
<Gavin, Helen (2014). Criminological and Forensic Psychology. SAGE Publications. p. 155. ISBN 978-1-84860-700-2. LCCN 2013938304. OCLC 867602647. OL 28507633M. Retrieved July 7, 2018.
<Seto, Michael C. (2008). Pedophilia and Sexual Offending Against Children. Washington, D.C.: American Psychological Association. pp. vii–viii, 4, 47–48, 64, 66, 72–74, 101, 123, 171, 175, 177–182, 186, 189, 192. ISBN 978-1-4338-2926-0. LCCN 2018015464. OCLC 1047607981. OL 27377980M

And
>While not causes of pedophilia themselves, childhood abuse by adults or comorbid psychiatric illnesses—such as personality disorders and substance abuse—are risk factors for acting on pedophilic urges.
<Fagan PJ, Wise TN, Schmidt CW, Berlin FS (November 2002). "Pedophilia". JAMA. 288 (19): 2458–65. doi:10.1001/jama.288.19.2458. PMID 12435259

>Neither the DSM nor the ICD-11 diagnostic criteria require actual sexual activity with a prepubescent youth. The diagnosis can therefore be made based on the presence of fantasies or sexual urges even if they have never been acted upon. On the other hand, a person who acts upon these urges yet experiences no distress about their fantasies or urges can also qualify for the diagnosis. Acting on sexual urges is not limited to overt sex acts for purposes of this diagnosis, and can sometimes include indecent exposure, voyeuristic or frotteuristic behaviors.
<Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Text Revision, 5th Edition. American Psychiatric Publishing. 2022. pp. 794–796. ISBN 978-0-89042-575-6.

>Your beloved Starmer
Ah yes, because I think porn is representative of PORN, I must support the British Government, brilliant logic! Truly black and white morality at play… funny how someone screeching about spooks engages in them
>ushering Albion into an age of repression?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you just proved you don't know jack shit about real life. Britain has always been a repressive shithole you stupid motherfucker, it's been a meme since the early days of the internet and Margaret Thatcher and has been true since antiquity. The most libertarian thing in British historical society was the introduction of the Magna Carta as a measure to prevent the King from being a complete Autarch.

>your logic is the same one used by Zionists to censor pro-Palestinian activism
No, you're making extremely stretched false equivalencies to make a morality play about how pointing out drawn CSA being illustrated CSAM is "just lied doz dirty jooz", and trying to derail the argument into being about "muh Palestine n' Israel". Typical /pol/fag. Just take off your antifa mask and post Rothbard already you faggot.

A lot of degenerates in this thread are trying to equate marxism with being pro-loli because “marxism is actually le anti morallity”

i think you are all just pedophiles who have spent too long on the more recessed parts of the internet and are now trying to justify your disgusting sexual perversions (lolicon shit is bourgeois degeneracy btw) because deep down you know it’s disgusting and that you need help

Try raising your stance on lolicon shit within leftist circles in the real world, you won’t be treated so kindly (because pedophilia is not a left/marxist virtue)

Shoot all pedos

>>782789
>>782790
>It's muh AAAART!
No chud, your loli hentai is not art or literature. It is pornography. A form of media; an illustration or animation, but that does not make it art. To call it art would make anything 'art' making the word meaningless. Art is first and foremost designed for aesthetic purpose, and secondly to carry meaning, ever since the first cave paintings and bone carvings. Porn (which is not for aesthetic purpose) is not art. Porn is also not the same as erotica or nudity. Note that something like cherubs may be depicted nude but never in a self-sexual context in art.

>If simply finding this attractive is pedophilia
Most people are not attracted to prepubescent children, cartoon or otherwise and as I point out >>782870 It doesn't matter if you're just fantasizing, that is still pedophilia by definition of this paraphilic disorder.

>but muh censorship
While I despise anglos and think this V-tuber situation is just a retarded stunt, the fact is, Censorship is not anti-socialist.

Socialism is about seizing the means of production and installing a dictatorship of the proletariat which oversees everything within a socialist state, this includes media. It's main purpose is to disarm and remove the capitalist class and its worst products (such as un-necessary commodities and for-profit labour organization/production). This inherently requires a 'regimented structure' regardless of whether you centralize or decentralize the planned economy. You cannot have socialism without moderating the media consumed, otherwise you permit reactionary and bourg content to be reproduced without scrutiny and therefore influence the population's thinking.

This shit is bourgeosie decadence.

>inb4 some retard posts about "history of sex" or some other PoMo garbage
Foucalt was a paedophile, similar to other lib-succs like Orwell, obviously he would argue that it's "natural" (and use cherry picked arguments/examples to "prove" it.
However even if one were to accept that pre-class societies accepted paedophilia (and ignore that lifespans of the times meant that living to 40 made you an old man) that doesn't matter in the face of dialectics.

To fall back on the claim that pedophilia is genetic is to remove the blame from one's perverted decadence. It is clear pedos are made, maybe some have a 'higher susceptibility' to the social conventions which 'force them' into pedophilia, but we can see this by how many pedophiles were abused as kids. It is a cycle that needs to be nipped in the bud. But this STILL misses the point for Marxists, even if something is "biological" it is still subject for our analysis and deconstruction and even rejection. Murderous violence is also natural, but that doesn't mean that we should legalize it. That is the point of material analysis and subsequent Socialism; to change history. And the Marxist must lead by example showing the discipline and autonomy to not wank to depictions of children.

>>782868
You’re the robot in this comic

>>782875
>art is when morality
learn to stack your bait from least to most outlandish so the people you're baiting don't know to disregard your post until the end.

>>782870
Oh boy, so the moralfag who wants the surveillance state to confiscate your devices for some pixels is yet at it again, this time failing to put up any actual argument. Still haven’t addressed any of my points, instead engaging in ad hominem and fallacy fallacy. Starmer clearly isn’t sending his best shills, especially as you’re coping sooooo hard. kek.

Also, funny that you cite Seto when he is one of the people that argues pedophilia is a sexual orientation: https://end-the-stigma.com/resources/Is_Pedophilia_a_Sexual_Orientation-Michael_C_Seto.pdf

>"By the above definition of sexual orientation — and most common definitions of sexual orientation — pedophilia can be viewed as a sexual age orientation based on the more limited evidence available regarding its age of onset, associations with sexual and romantic behavior, and stability over time."

Oh, and the rest of your citations mean nothing if they just do the rookie mistake of insinuating causation from correlation.

>No, you're making extremely stretched false equivalencies

Nope. ITT your entire arguments are based on feels in order to justify censorship and repression because you find Lolicon and any hint of youth sexuality to be icky. You’re thus no different than the Zionists who call for state censorship of anyone mildly critical of Israel because muh feelz.

You’re a fascist turd who should follow their leader, plain and simple.

>>782875
>Most people are not attracted to prepubescent children, cartoon or otherwise and as I point out >>782870 It doesn't matter if you're just fantasizing, that is still pedophilia by definition of this paraphilic disorder.

Homosexuality is also a minority thing, and most of the world still deems homosexuality a mental disorder, much like the bourgeois DSM-V that you love so much once did before it reneged to gay activist pressure. Don’t pretend that mental disorders aren’t socially constructed to a huge extent. Should yaoi then be banned, or what?

And once again, you clearly failed to read the DSM, so here’s the full quote you omitted for “convenient reasons”:

>>American Psychiatric Association (2013). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Fifth ed.), p. 698.

>"Examples of disclosing this paraphilia include candidly acknowledging an intense sexual interest in children and indicating that sexual interest in children is greater than or equal to sexual interest in physically mature individuals. If individuals also complain that their sexual attractions or preferences for children are causing psychosocial difficulties, they may be diagnosed with pedophilic disorder. However, if they report an absence of feelings of guilt, shame, or anxiety about these impulses and are not functionally limited by their paraphilic impulses (according to self-report, objective assessment, or both), and their self-reported and legally recorded histories indicate that they have never acted on their impulses, then these individuals have a pedophilic sexual orientation but not pedophilic disorder.

Also, how come you didn’t engage with my other points, such as the lack of conclusive evidence to prove lolicon consumption induces sexual offences, the lack of conclusive evidence proving a causative relationship between adult-minor sex and harm, that said harm is likely iatrogenic in origin, or the fact that minors are sexual beings (children and babies too)?

• https://ia601505.us.archive.org/10/items/rind-2022-reactions-to-minor-older-and-minor-peer-sex-in-finnish-survey/Rind%202022%20-%20Reactions%20to%20Minor-Older%20and%20Minor-Peer%20Sex%20in%20Finnish%20survey.pdf
  
  
• https://www.researchgate.net/publication/345982853_Sexuality_Development_in_Childhood
  
  
• https://web.archive.org/web/20091121181950/https://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Thousands_of_UK_children_trafficked_for_%91sex_parties&in_article_id=771190&in_page_id=34
  
  
• https://doshisha.repo.nii.ac.jp/record/2000821/files/023065040009.pdf
  
  
• https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1914496
  
  

Honestly, your dishonesty truly shines in this particular subject. Truly a bourgeois moralist trying to enforce the diktats of the bourgeois onto the working classes who are the ones most likely to suffer from your repressive proposal.

Not sure why you’re so into forcing kids into state-mandated inceldom up until the magic age line that you want to do the same to fictional children as well.

>To fall back on the claim that pedophilia is genetic is to remove the blame from one's perverted decadence. It is clear pedos are made

Not true. Pedophilia being sexual orientation isn’t some get-out-of-jail card, and most pedos are born, not made: http://www.helping-people.info/articles/fog_eng.htm

>"The rationale behind cognitive therapy is that the world view of the therapist is believed to be right and when the world view of the patient is different he is said to suffer from cognitive distortion".

And also: https://sci-hub.se/10.1001/jamapediatrics.2014.3357

>"The widespread belief that sexually abused children are uniquely at risk to become sex offenders was not supported by prospective empirical evidence. These new findings suggest that early intervention programs should target children with histories of physical abuse and neglect. They also indicate that existing policies and practices specifically directed at future risk for sex offending for sexually abused children may warrant reevaluation."

Honestly, you’re just another garden-variety of homophobe considering how many of your arguments can be used to justify anti-sodomy laws.

>>782888
Yh, the guy is a time-waster. Make you wonder if he is some TERF troll coming to shit this lance up given how his beliefs are too extreme even for the average normgroid.

Oh, I see you're arguing here. Who's winning? I hope it's the lolicons.

>>782872
Let’s see what Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said on the matter:

>What, then, does promiscuous sexual intercourse really mean? It means the absence of prohibitions and restrictions which are or have been in force. We have already seen the barrier of jealousy go down. If there is one thing certain, it is that the feeling of jealousy develops relatively late. The same is true of the conception of incest. Not only were brother and sister originally man and wife; sexual intercourse between parents and children is still permitted among many peoples today. Bancroft (The Native Races of the Pacific States of North America, 1875, Vol. I), testifies to it among the Kadiaks on the Behring Straits, the Kadiaks near Alaska, and the Tinneh in the interior of British North America; Letourneau compiled reports of it among the Chippewa Indians, the Cucus in Chile, the Caribs, the Karens in Burma; to say nothing of the stories told by the old Greeks and Romans about the Parthians, Persians, Scythians, Huns, and so on. Before incest was invented – for incest is an invention, and a very valuable one, too – sexual intercourse between parents and children did not arouse any more repulsion than sexual intercourse between other persons of different generations, and that occurs today even in the most philistine countries without exciting any great horror; even “old maids” of over sixty, if they are rich enough, sometimes marry young men in their thirties. […]
In a letter written in the spring of 1882, Marx expresses himself in the strongest terms about the complete misrepresentation of primitive times […] Marx replies: "In primitive times the sister was the wife, and that was moral."

>>Frederick Engels. Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (1884).

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch02.htm

>>782904
well the lolicons are now resorting to blatant CSA apologia

>>782678
>ban dating apps
this would be good, actually. like you have no idea how good this would be for you

>>782912
I think making mandatory competency training for parents would be better

Dating apps while bad, doesn’t detract from
The fact that dating in itself is very discriminatory.

>>782911
Loli cons are not CSA apologists

They don’t seek out real life children

jewish niggers tongue my anus

>>782872
This is rich coming from the same group that claims “morality is a spook”

Equating cartoon characters to real life kids.
Even advocating to kill lolis just because their fetish annoys you

You’re a triggered shitlib

And speaking of dark recesses of the Internet, you’re a hypocrite because imageboards are exactly that. Encouraging accelerationism to spite the world for not conforming to your political preferences

Normies will seethe about lolicon 24/7, but they will never, ever bring up the topic of violence in video games.

>>782917
this is one of them

>>782918
and another

>>782900
Transsexualism is still a mental illness in ICD 11 and DSM, just under different names

>>782921
Although no, only in the DSM. In ICD 11 it's a sexual disorder or something like that.

>>782918
One of them already was discussing the cognitive effects of hyper realism in FPS games.

>>782919
>>782920
>Triggered shitlib screaming into the void

>>782870
>>782872

What are your thoughts on S&M and rapeplay porn?

>>782887
>It's too late. I've already depicted you as the soyjak bla blah blah
Cope liberal.

>>782888
>art is when morality
Not what I said. Your non-argument is dismissed

>>782891
>U-ur a moralfag
No, I just know socialism and ethics.
> failing to put up any actual argument.
<haven’t addressed any of my points
You have no points and you're just going no u while blatantly ignoring that I already addressed your pedophile apologia
>unny that you cite Seto when he is one of the people that argues pedophilia is a sexual orientation
Funny how you ignore the rest of what is being said to your own convenience.
>he rest of your citations mean nothing
<muh causation
Not an argument. I posted actual excerpts, including from sources you used. You just cherrypick things that are convenient for you.
>ITT your entire arguments are based on feels
No U lol.
>j-justify censorship
<Muh freedumz!
Like I said, take off your mask and stop pretending to be anything other than a Rothbardian faggot.
>find Lolicon and any hint of youth sexuality to be icky.
I explained in detail why it is consistently detrimental to people and society. You're in denial and trying to project because you know you're wrong, so you appeal to the "muh subjectivity" fallacy that liberals thrive on.

>>782900
>Homosexuality is also a minority thing, and most of the world still deems homosexuality a mental disorder
<We're minorities too!
So are Nazis in most of the world, not an argument. You're really seething right now jumping into Whataboutisms, red herring fallacies and false equivalencies.
>Yaoi
Yeah sure.
>Don’t pretend that mental disorders aren’t socially constructed to a huge extent.
<Muh social construct!
A fallacious argument made by the mentally ill with cognizance to justify being awful human beings. You're just doing the /pol/ "human nature" argument, again proving yourself to be a /pol/reject
>here’s the full quote you omitted for convenient reasons
The convenient reason being that I was specifically speaking about a specific and important excerpt. Furthermore, you also are omitting the fact that DSM-V's differentiation is only in regards to terminology on
> and their self-reported and legally recorded histories indicate that they have never acted on their impulses
Meaning that the only difference is acting it out. HOWEVER as my other quote demonstrates that does not change the fact that to consistently fantasize about it still makes one a paedophile. You're nitpicking semantics to deflect from the main point.

>lack of conclusive evidence to prove lolicon consumption induces sexual offences
That's not a point, that is a loaded argument, ignoring circumstances and other evidence mentioned ITT.
>minors are sexual beings
<children and babies
Nobody but your obscure paedophilic sources actually claim this, and I can just as easily find research to the opposite. But you clearly didn't read the sources I posted before, so I won't bother, since you'll just continue respamming the same brain-dead nonsense.

>ruly a bourgeois moralist trying to enforce the diktats of the bourgeois
"Oh truly I have seen the Light, Epstein was a revolutionary hero and CSAM is the right to all communists, Heil Antifa!"
Is that what you want me to say, you libertine hedonist?

>forcing kids into state-mandated inceldom
<Not allowing paedophilia is the same as not permitting children to grow up naturally and not be subject to predators
Wow, nice false equivalency there buddy, very cool.

>>782909
Convenient that you ignore the context of this being Engels disputing the assertions of prehistoric anthropology that primitive humans were or were not sexually open and that incest as a concept is 'modern'. The fact however remains that he is not talking about a literal child and adult, but an older adult with a younger adult. Furthermore incest being 'approved of' in distant and relatively primitive hunter-gatherer tribes and pre-feudal early city-states is an outlier because most people do not and have not engaged in incest. "social constructs" arise from material conditions. Furthermore the argument is not that this should be an example to follow nor that 'free love' should be about promiscuity but about equality of relations, hence why Marx condemned prostitution.

>>782914
What do you call shit like this trying to play semantics about what "paedophilia is" and that "children are sexual beings"? >>782900

>>782913
>The fact that dating in itself is very discriminatory.
Yeah but dating apps turn this up by a factor of 100, without dating apps you would not be competing with sex-depraved male models anymore, you could actually hook up and rely on other stuff besides a couple of pictures. In fact it's so good that I doubt this would be something the british gov would do

>>782932
Grab a towel, you're clitty leaking all over the place.

>>782931
I already expressed myself on that

>>782934
Oh I'm shakin' in my boots from all your projection. You get any edgier and you might cut your wrists.

THIS IS NOW A BIONICLE THREAD POST BIONICLES

>>782939
FUCK YEAH BIONICLES

>>782940
OH fuck SO COOL!!!

>>782942
I SEND THEE THREAD TO HELL

>>782789
this image sums up this entire thread unfortunately.

>>782875
>No chud, your loli hentai is not art or literature. It is pornography.
you're an actual moron lol. the author of made in abyss is a more talented artist than you'll ever be.

arrest are too little should've executed the guy

>>782932
> Claims to have made arguments no one is addressing
> Engages in pure moralisms and idealism devoid of material analysis
> Literally believes consooming media leads to murder like an idealist despite denying being one
> Deflects criticism like a zionist
> Refuses to engage with evidence that runs contrary to his belief system that child molestation is this spectacular event that warrants a capitalist surveillance state to stop it
> Admits to cherry-picking data
> Doesn’t get why implying causation from correlation is a mistake
> Easily gamed by appeals to disgust and bourgeois yellow press sloop
> Chimps out over youth sexuality
> resorts to “Muh Epstein n shieeet” when losing debate

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/vbYMPz5kF1s?ra=m

Man, at this point it’s clear you’re just a shitlib whose narcissism leads you to be incapable in actual self-reflection as shown by how you double down on your fascist BS.

Just admit you’re a woketard goyslave and move on.

>>782632
> It’s totes unreported even tho MeToo has made it trendy

Sure anon, sure. Keep coping just like you think a bunch of pixels somehow leads to child molestation despite no evidence for it beyond some idealistic crap.

>>783076
LOL what did you expect from a dumb uyghur? Of course it would rely on low-autism score metaphysics (“sexualisation of children”? Really?) to argue Lolicon is le bad and ebil. Nigs gonna nig Ig.

>>782932
That image is kinda wrong
Just because people don’t agree with leftism doesn’t mean they’re sexual predators

>>782933
>Yeah but dating apps turn this up by a factor of 100, without dating apps you would not be competing with sex-depraved male models anymore,

What are these “sex depraved male models” you are describing? Why does this board like to conjure up misandrist strawmen all the time?
Outside of dating apps you would still be competing with these kind of people.
Romantic prospects are all about the four Bs: Beauty, Brawn, Brains, and Brevity.

Criticism of dating apps is mainly just projecting one’s mediocrity
Most people are mediocre in all four aspects.
The problem is people think romantic love is “either you got it or don’t” rather than an investment.


you could actually hook up and rely on other stuff besides a couple of pictures. In fact it's so good that I doubt this would be something the british gov would do

>>783101
>What are these “sex depraved male models” you are describing? Why does this board like to conjure up misandrist strawmen all the time?
>Outside of dating apps you would still be competing with these kind of people.
I think what anon was getting at was that like the top 1% of men are having 80% of the sex or some insane statistic that went viral a while ago. These men are plapping basically every female on dating apps just because they have the combination of attractiveness + money that causes womens' biology to short-circuit into lust mode.

I saw this image floating around on /r9k/ a bit ago and I'm sure there's some catch to these statistics but it does paint a bleak picture about what dating apps have done to the sexual market. Women are quite literally paralyzed by choice and it has made dating infinitely harder because women can just scroll through an app to get their fix of talking to hot guys instead of going to a bar or something where you're only competing with the hottest guy at the bar instead of the hottest guy in a 4 hour driving distance.

>>782937
I can cut your head off uyghur

Why is it whenever lolicons deploy to defend their "Not Anime Child Porn" it always starts with "The government shouldn't arrest people for drawing loli porn and claim they're pedos" and ends with "Akshuly pedophilia is proletarian and consuming child porn is revolutionary you fucking moralfag Nazi bigot"?