From what I can tell this British loli vtuber, Mimi Yanagi, who is an adult, commissioned hentai of her character and posted it on her social media for her fans. The British government raided her for this art and she's now a sex offender for life and might be prosecuted for CSAM. As a condition for being designated as a "sex offender" she's now required to use her real name on all her online social media accounts, putting her at risk of real life harassment or murder/rape, all for posting drawings lol…
And yet the west calls China a "police state" when I've never heard of anyone in China being arrested and doxxed for a drawing.
I know this has nothing to do with leftism but just thought it's weird.
>I've never heard of anyone in China being arrested and doxxed for a drawing.
There was a news thing a few years ago when a lolicon artist got imprisoned after he opened a patreon.
>>778234why would China care about a patreon? is there something else going on there?
>>778237oh that's interesting so it really was because he made money off of it. I wonder if the fact it was Genshin was a contributing factor.
Deserved
>>778228>>778229I guess anime is going through another moral panic epidemic
>>778242It's convenient how these moral panics always pop up whenever rich people are accused of horrific crimes against children, and always target harmless media to punish the plebs for caring about pedophilia. It comes off very much like "how dare you want justice for Epstein and Prince Andrew's victims, stop talking about it or we'll ban more cartoons, LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO".
Keir Starmer works for Mossad though so this isn't surprising that they're using targeting of media as their response to the rampant child sex crimes in the UK.
Funny how the police are meant to protect angloids from crime yet they arrest anyone with a different viewpoint. WTF?
Materialist explanation?
>>778249This so much.
And the biggest irony?
Most of our child sexual assault happens in houses, schools, churches, and recreational halls.
And there’s no ban/restrictions put upon those places.
But god forbid some loli fanart is posted on a forum
>>778254It also explains the massive push for digital ID's and porn bans immediately following the public outcry about Epstein. Like I hate when libs bring up Epstein over every random political issue, but in this instance I think it's actually legit. The bourgeois are using digital ID as a way to punish the public for their own crimes and discourage us from demanding accountability for any other billionaire pedophiles lest we lose more basic rights. It's an extremely effective psychological tactic. It also makes it really fucking hard to defend "lolicons" or any other degenerates/porn addicts because they can just point to "protecting victims" and "think of the children" type rhetoric and no one will dare fight back because MUH EPSTEIN.
idunno, I hope I'm good at articulating this point because I feel like I'm just rambling but this seems to happen a lot with any public scandal. like immediately following Uvalde instead of punishing the cops that let children get killed, they decided to replace resource officers with armed guards in every public school to punish the children for wanting to be safe. It's like the bourgeois's only response to scandal is making the proles eat shit until we're tired of it and give up.
>>778228Yeah our government is fucked, free my lolisho uyghas
Who is this siberia user that keeps posting isg threads outside containment.
Also this story is fake as fuck 'police approved twitter name' yeah sure. Another gift farm.
>>778262this thread has nothing to do with isg since it's unrelated to marxism.
and I'm pretty sure the public records are well…public and you can look it up if you care to. if this story is fake I'd be glad because the alternative is dystopian as fuck(not that the UK isn't already dystopian).
the fact you have so much faith in the british government to immediately call it "fake" without a source is funny tho.
Another pedo down
KKKritical support to the people’s police
This is western civilization personal 9/11
No more mister nice guys
I hate vtubers and lolicons but the UK government have gone bananas for this
Vtubers really are the artistic avant-garde of our times.
>>778280the idea of celebrity without identity is really fascinating. the fact your random next door neighbor can be a famous vtuber creates a sense of proletarian myth around it. like you don't have to be hot or rich or connected or engage in the usual "rich person" lifestyle of flesh streamers, anyone can do it. it's the ultimate anti-corporate celebrity.
Fuck lolicons but doxxing someone certainly is a bit much for the law, no? Just fine her and put her under observation etc
>>778283I dont trust Japanese crime statistics tbf
>>778284this tbh. they are notoriously bad and corrupt
>>778284True but I don't trust American or British crime statistics either. If everyone's lying then it just becomes who you choose to believe and why you choose them.
At the very least ignoring statistics, Japan is one of the safest countries on earth, or at least it was before the recent stuff. I've had dozens of female friends that visit Japan just from being active in weeb circles. Women in Japan can walk around alone at night in whatever clothes they want even in dimly lit streets and not feel like they're in danger. People regularly fall asleep drunk on the streets in Japan and no one bothers them or fucks with them, even when it's young women.
Meanwhile even men can't walk around safely at night in the UK or USA, and if you fall asleep drunk in the street you will 100% be robbed. Statistics don't mean much in the face of just walking around in a city at night and feeling the vibes, yknow?
So while it's correct to be distrustful of Japanese statistics, the fact is they do have an extremely safe society from visible real world metrics, and Westerners trying to impose their morality onto Japan and anime fans just because "muh crime muh victims reeee" is kind of laughable.
>>778286idealistic nonsense, japan is not a crime free utopia. How do you square the fact that the Yakuza exist with 'no crime'?
They just legalized crime, thats all that happened. They have agreements with one another not to go after the Yakuza if they dont kill outsiders, that means they get to drug deal and pimp as much as they want with impunity.
The courts are also corrupt as hell, sexual assault is normalized on public transport and women are 2nd class citizens, terrible place to actually live.
>>778287>idealistic nonsense, japan is not a crime free utopia. How do you square the fact that the Yakuza exist with 'no crime'?the yakuza is organized crime. they don't engage in harassing random people on the street you fucking imbecile.
in fact japan is partially extremely safe because the yakuza have a monopoly on crime in the areas they control, and "voluntarily" crack down on non-yakuza criminals in their area to prevent them from drawing police attention to their activities. you'll observe the same thing in areas with high levels of cartel control, usually they're much safer than the "warzones" like what's happening in Mexico rn.
this isn't a defense of cartels or gangs at all obviously, but Japan is extremely safe and there's just no real argument you can make that would disprove that because anyone can just go to Japan and observe it for themselves. Even the "dangerous" parts of Japan are extremely tame by western standards and the worst that'll happen is you'll get solicited by prostitutes to visit a hostess bar and pressured to rack up tons of debt buying them drinks.
Yes Japan's legal system is extremely corrupt, but that doesn't mean it's secretly Chicago and they're just covering it up lol.
fake story
>>778274>Critical support to a internet parasite monetizing on a family tragedykys
Pedophile infighting
controversial opinion, i don't think people should go to prison for making this, that being said i really don't like it either
>>778287I don't expect a stupid ignorant gaijin like you to understand but Yakuza only do wholesome crime like driving above the speed limit to bring crippled orphans at school in time or beat up corrupt policemen etc few gaijin know this
>>778310
I don't feel bad either but it's more about setting precedents.
If zogbots can come arrest you for bullshit like this what more can they do to you.
>>778312True, but in fairness they were already doing this to people who made pro-Palestine posts online so I'm not exactly sure what people were expecting.
>>778312>setting precedenceLiberal nonsense babble.
>>778310
I mean how do we know this woman is bad. Present some evidence of it first.
>>778310
you're assigning quite a lot of assumptions onto this person you've never met or interacted with. what makes you think she's a chud or encouraged doxxing/harassment of anyone?
I don't know her content either but it was sharty nazis that were mass reporting her so if they hate her then I'm on her side.
>>778326>a redditor said he works for the cops so it must be truethe absolute state of this site
she also worded the tweet in OP very deliberately with "I was arrested for my art, and my art alone" like her lawyer wrote it.
Yeah forgive me for not trusting redditors to know what the fuck they're talking about when it comes to police states.
>>778326Wtf is that supposed to prove? How is it so hard to believe the police got spammed by reports and did a subpoena to the US which they immediately granted because five eyes shit?
>>778332Also that redditor is retarded, how does something being online in 2019 mean it was a 'six year investigation'. Literally it's probably still on wayback machine. Maybe he is actually a cybercop since he's a dumb fuck
Stop bumping and responding to Internet Drama threads that feature fake stories around common online controversies that are a form of viral advertising strategy of parasocial parasites.
Please use some common sense, media literacy and stop spreading obviously fabricated stories. Stop being a useful fucking idiot for once, Christ.
>>778332I don't think any part of that reddit post is true at all. I don't think the US is involved in this at all. I don't think this was a 6 year long investigation or international subpoenas were involved.
Believing redditors is always a trap.
Anyway here's the admin of kiwifarms, the doxxfag/dramafag hub of the vtuber sphere, who has himself been caught grooming real life little girls in the past, acting like he's on the moral highground when it comes to this case.
>>778335That motherfucker needs to have his mouth put on the curb.
But yet another example of how actual sex criminals love going after lolisho.
>>778334Do you seriously think that someone would fake being arrested for loli porn for clout? Like that is actually a crime in the UK. If the investigation wasn't real before it obviously would be when she posted that.
>>778334Leftypol's resident lolishit consumer brigade which is losing its shit everytime it is brought up in a non-positive context is getting baited hard here. Embarassing.
>>778335in case you aren't familiar with these fags
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms>In March 2019, Kiwi Farms republished both the livestream and the manifesto of Brenton Tarrant, the perpetrator of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings. Shortly after, website owner Joshua Moon publicly denied a request by New Zealand Police to voluntarily hand over all data on posts about the shooting, including the email and IP addresses of forum posters.[64] Moon responded aggressively and mockingly, calling New Zealand a "shithole country",[13][64] and stated that he did not "give a single solitary fuck what section 50 of your faggot law (referring to the Policing Act 2008) says about sharing [the New Zealand Police's] email."also the site's main purpose is harassing underage girls into suicide by grooming them into sharing nudes and then spamming them everywhere.
>>778338You can just as easily say the moral panic brigade who want to claim to be leftist while supporting people getting arrested for thought crimes are the ones getting baited
>>778337>Do you seriously think that someone would fake being arrested for loli porn for clout?Yes. Are you an actual retard or something? What year were you born in? <197X? How do you not know how the Internet works? Is this your first exposure to the streamer/v-tuber space? Posession of lolishit is the mildest controversy streamers have fabricated. Shit ranges from staging home evasions to drowning homeless people. How new are you? This is utterly embrassing for you, mate.
>>778340Nobody has been arrested. Stop spreading fake news while getting riled up over your shitty pet issue.
>>778334You know this is siberia right? Anyone can post about anything here. If you don't like it go back to reddit you fucking dweeb.
Also, insinuating that a real person would attach their real name to their social media accounts sharing loli hentai and publicly admit to being arrested for CSAM as a "PR stunt" just makes you sound fucking insane. holy shit dude.
(not to mention this vtuber has a years long history and you can just search their tag on baraag if you really care but ofc it's just loli hentai so I won't share it here. there's no way this is some "psyop" spanning multiple years of thousands of dollars of art commissions for…what exactly? lol) >>778344Why do you not believe it? With the deranged hysteria against lolisho, nobody would voluntarily fake this. Vtubers aren't the same as live streamer degenerates that constantly commit crimes and get off cause they're rich kids
>The same people that spring into action on this board whenever anyone doubts that the freedom to spread sexualized drawings of children is a leftist canary issue also fall for the most obvious PR Op in streaming history.
I am not surprised that those two low autism score groups have near 100% overlap.
>>778343
>noooo you can't care about anything that isn't Palestine
Laws on speech are the favourite tool of Zionist rats by the way
>>778347Why do you not believe this story exactly? If someone said on twitter they had been arrested for some other crime would you immediately say it's fake like this?
>>778345>You know this is siberia right? Anyone can post about anything here. Nope, fake Internet drama slop stories and their stupid consumers belong to /isg/.
>>778344>Nobody has been arrested.She literally said she was arrested and this news is spreading across the internet. If it's fake the UK government will come down hard on her for faking it. What exactly would be the benefit to her doing that?
>>778343The irony is, the same people sending money to Israel to bomb children's hospitals in Iran are perpetuating thoughtcrime legislation in the West so they can control what is allowed to be posted on the internet. And you somehow manage to twist it into being a non-issue because it's someone you don't like, even though they did nothing illegal and are just being used as a scapegoat for Epsteinites to continue raping children.
I won't call you a fake Marxist but you should reexamine your thought process here.
>>778350Maybe stop posting in the topic and just hide it if you don't like it. Retard
>>778351>She literally said she was arrested and this news is spreading across the internet. If it's fake the UK government will come down hard on her for faking it.Please read through this again and ask yourself whether this is something an intelligent person would believe in.
>What exactly would be the benefit to her doing that?Making retards like you who have strong feelings over the legality of sexualized drawings of children become free advertising agents.
>>778352It's not a topic. It's literally off-topic, keep your fake drama stories in /isg/, thanks.
>>778350>Nope, fake Internet drama slop stories and their stupid consumers belong to /isg/.isg shouldn't exist and it only continues to exist despite being off-topic to /leftypol/ because the mods don't want the board being flooded with hasan spam.
internet drama DOES belong on siberia since it's generally off-topic to leftism.
>>778347you've spammed this same message about "PR ops" like 10 times in the past 5 minutes without providing a single shred of proof beyond "just trust me bro", I'm starting to think you're the PR op?
>>778353>become free advertising agents.free advertising for what? all her social media is deleted/locked.
this is literally a story about government overreach and the anglosphere police state that, on its face every leftist should implicitly agree is a horrible thing, but because the subject is a vtuber that posts loli it's apparently a psyop lol. you know people you don't like can still be victimized by unjust laws? you aren't 12 man surely you have basic social skills beyond "anyone and anything outside my extremely specific interests is fake and gay and you should stop talking about it because it makes me mad"
>>778355>because the mods don't want the board being flooded with hasan spam.Negative parasociality is still parasociality you fucking freak.
>>778357I don't know what you mean by that but I'm gonna assume you think I'm some hysterical hasan anti. No, I don't really care about him, but that's literally why /isg/ continues to exist even though the mods declared general threads illegal over a year ago. And the notion that we should take discussions that are unrelated to leftism to the off-topic thread of the main, leftism-focused board instead of the designated off-topic board is really strange. Do you feel possessive over siberia or something? Is that what you mean by parasociality?
>>778361
Nice post but the fact you don't like vtubers has nothing to do with whether this woman should have been arrested. She wasn't arrested for being 'parasocial', how dumb can you be
>>778362This is some crazy apologia for one of the most deranged, alienated, exploitative and degenerate industries on the planet that is the online entertainment industry. You really got duped here, lmao. Well, I wouldn't expect someone who eats McDonald's for breakfast every day to be well-versed in the internal functioning of the meat industry, so yeah, this post is total garbage, congrats.
>>778364No one was arrested, holy fuck. You need serious medical evaluation right now. This is straight up early onset psychosis symptoms your are showing right now, holy fuck.
>>778366International (nerd adjacent) media is reporting about it. You are deranged.
>>778365>person engages in labor to earn a living in exchange for providing a service and giving them money is entirely optional and provides no real benefit to you except the streamer continues making content>FAKE FAKE FAKE YOU DONT ACTUALLY LOVE ME STOP BEING NICE TO ME WHY ARE YOU SUCH A PHONYWe're reaching levels of underage pseud I didn't think was possible. I thought Marxists typically came to terms with the concept of customer service work but I guess not. Do you also harass waitresses at applebees for not actually being interested in you?
>>778369They also reported that fake story of that kick streamer creating this hoax of trying to drown that homeless lady on stream which she faked, your point is?
>>778370I have worked in shitty industries like the food industry and there is a qualitive difference between a waitress at applebees and whatever this is, a mess that is like one paper thin degree of seperation from actual prostitution rings, big tech, the crypto industry and online casinos/money laundering operations and your attempt to normalize that shit just because your are the consumer of this slop exposes your own egoistical motives which you try to shroud in emancipatory ideology.
>>778372Are you so baby brained that you can't conceive that just because you personally don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal?
>>778373Are you arguing in favor of prostitution rings, money laundering and crypto gambling now?
>>778374how are vtubers prostitution? you aren't receiving anything for donating. they don't even talk to you for it.
>>778361
Two users fell for blatant this LLM slop. No one even types like this, why do LLMs output something so alien when it's supposed to be a statistical average?
puritans won. pedocels losg
>>778374I think you should demonstrate an actual significant harm from it before it is banned (something more harmful than every other kind of celebrity/consumer culture I mean)
>>778393it's only one battle in the goonwar comrade, they can't defeat human lust
>>778228It's not as bad as actual cp since no kids are hurt. But still, vtubers don't contribute to society so no pity for "her" either
>>778251>different viewpointPeople interested in this stuff are gross and should be removed from society
>>778405>People interested in this stuff are gross and should be removed from societythis is actual nazi rhetoric btw
>if I masturbate to yaoi hentai that means I'm gay
>if I masturbate to piss play hentai that means I'm into piss play
>if I masturbate to footjob hentai that means I'm into feet
>if I masturbate to loli/shota that means I'm not ackshually a pedophile because they're not real it's just a drawling bro
>>778409I have masturbated to yaoi hentai, trap hentai, crossdressing hentai, bodyswap hentai, scat hentai, guro hentai, piss hentai, rape hentai, furry hentai, etc and none of those things apply to my real life interest where I'm just a normal heterosexual male with fairly vanilla fetishes like missionary/doggystyle and post-orgasm cuddling and saying "I love you" a lot during sex.
Maybe stop trying to judge people so hard for the fiction they consume when they know there is no one being victimized. Just because I play violent video games doesn't mean I'm a serial killer. Because I still have morals and humanity and ethics and a brain and can identify fiction from reality.
>>778407>pedos are gross<NAZIi wonder why the working class turned away from left wing politics
>>778412the working class is firmly on the side of not censoring the internet
I don't know what angle you're going for but you're not working class, and you glow, epsteinite.
Porn bans, ID verification laws, and "obscenity" laws are all just reactionary nonsense pushed by the bourgeois to punish the proles for the bourgeois's own crimes against children.
>>778410If they don't apply to your real life interests, you wouldn't masturbate to them broski.
It sounds like you have fantasies but are too deep in the closet to act on them.
>Lolita is a great book, I really emphasize with the protagonist and his plight because that's what most people who aren't pedophiles do when they read the book… right?
>>778417No, I just like it in fiction but don't like it in real life.
I've tried being "attracted" to men in real life but I just feel nothing for them. I've had femboys literally offer to cosplay our favorite vtuber and suck my dick and I declined because it just isn't the same. With hentai you literally can just draw anything and make it sexy if the artist is skilled enough and the plot is compelling.
Also GRRM wrote a very explicit and detailed rape scene of 14 year old Dany in the first GoT book, and under the UK guidelines for "simulated CSAM" that should be punishable since they've targeted people just for writing erotica about child characters. Weird how there's now government-approved CSAM I guess. Or maybe it's different because it isn't anime? idk. These laws are silly.
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Hey guys, so heads up: I am one of the users that has been pushing hard against the vtubersphere ITT and the exploitative nature of the industry. Most of my posts are using sage ITT.
I have just been banned for 3 weeks for 'rule-breaking' the rule I broke was 'Reactionary' yes, that was literally the reason given, lmao.
Apparently I have successfully appealed the ban because now I am able to post again. I am browsing leftypol, bareback, and AFAIK have a static home IP but there was no unban screen. So if due to some ISP fuckery I am ban evading without intending, well I am risking making very my last post in more than 10 years of browsing leftypol then and I didn't mean to evade. I have been posting when OldBO was still the 8ch board owner.
Anyway you should be aware that there are now apparently elements in the mod team that don't take too kindly if you shit on their personal hobbies and interests, like vtubers and they might have ties so some of those parasocial communities. This is eerily reminiscent of a recent incident on certain subreddits a few weeks ago where various moderators were caught unilaterally removing negative posts that spoke negatively about certain vtuber personalities (and subsequently removed).
I think most of you will agree that this is hugely problematic. You should be able to criticize a hobby, past-time and medium for its reactionary elements and even shit on them without getting the ban hammer because what's next? People getting banned for shitting on the casino mechanics in CS or Pokemon cards? People getting banned for shitting on Warhammer because it has a shitty plot and basically a big consumerist toy commercial just because a random mod is a warhammer fan?
So continue posting at your own risk.
>>778416>the working class is firmly on the side of not censoring the internetThe working class doesn't give two shits if you and your discord server with 15 fat retards with beard and glasses has 1 less loliporn artist to wank to. The only reason you make this out to be a huge problem is because the average channer is a individualist obsessed retard who thinks that coonsoming shit is the most important thing in life.
>>778416>if you aren't in favor of unlimited crypto casino access for minors you are an enemy of the working classlol, lmao even
>>778412>if I masturbate to yaoi hentai that means I'm gayNope.
>another chapter of "world is ruled by billionaire pedophiles I am powerless to stop so I take my frustration out on some random guy who jerks of to japanese drawings"
>>778432why are you letting your children access crypto casinos? is that not a parenting issue? why does your kid even have access to a credit/debit card if they're a minor?
>>778431>the average channer is a individualist obsessed retard who thinks that coonsoming shit is the most important thing in lifeSo is average working class person.
>>778435Do you think that forced child labor is a parenting issue that the government should stay out of as well?
>>778437First of all, what does forced child labor have to do with internet censorship?
Secondly, gambling ruins families, communities, and societies and should be banned across the board for being gambling, not because it's on the internet.
And finally, we should let children unionize so they can vote to stay home from school. 8)
>>778440If you asked the average worker if they'd rather ban cartoon porn or save $0.01 on their taxes from not having to financially sustain a government agency whose sole purpose is looking at cartoon porn, virtually all of them would vote for lower taxes.
Only an Epsteinite would think the working class wants the government involved in regulating cartoon porn. Because Epsteinites just love controlling the lives of the proles no matter how insane it is.
>>778440You know what, you are right, I dont know why I said that. That would be an improvement, average working class person is a spooked retard with politics mostly determined by TV and facebook posts.
first they came for the vtubers and I did not speak up because I thought they kinda deserved it anyway
>>778442>working class personsubtle
Not really a fan of all that arrogant PMC-style anti-proletarian discourse, straight from the anti-German playbook, painting workers as a gray mass of bigotted cattle.
>>778441If you asked about the average working class person about the lolirapist1448 twitter drama, they would either ask you wtf are talking about or at the very very worst call you a pedo.
>>778442>You know what, you are right, I dont know why I said that.True
>That would be an improvementFalse
>average working class person is a spooked retard with politics mostly determined by TV and facebook posts.Half true, at least in burguerland. In some other countries, False.
>>778446I also don't like the way reactionaries use "workers" to couch their own bigotry as some sort of "social reality" that you just have to accept as the masses' bigotry even though it's just them.
Working class people really do not care about loli cartoons, which is why they were legal in the United States for decades and got constant pushback any time a politician tried to change it despite there being no political lobby for lolicons or anything. This is recently changing in Republican states, coinciding exactly with the push for things like digital ID laws and porn bans, and yet chuds on this fucking site will insist it's ok because it's someone they don't like being victimized, completely missing the point that fascism always uses protecting children as an excuse to exert more power over your life in insidious and increasingly controlling ways. Working class people can see this, the 1st amendment is like the most well known of them all to anyone without a college education. It's in fact the PMC puritans trying to legislate morality that have to catch up to the working class.
>>778416ur calling people epsteinites for criticising pedos uygha
>>778451>criticizingmorality policing
>pedosadult women who commission cartoons of their OC character and distribute it to other adults with a clear "MDNI" and "18+ only" in all their socials
stop being so dishonest. we know your tricks and leftists aren't in the business of policing morality. your kind just want to pass the burden of "punishing predators" onto innocent proles minding their own business so you can avoid prosecuting actual literal pedophiles in every single western government. how is this woman being targeted for drawings by the same government that let Jimmy Saville go free until his deathbed despite hundreds of allegations of actual rape and child abuse? You're a moron if you think prosecuting cartoons is somehow in any way a step in the right direction when it comes to punishing Epsteinites. These people don't use cartoons, they use real children, and you enable them by focusing all your ire on "icky cartoon porn" like the fucking goycattle you are.
>>778229>because they hate anime lolbased
The cognitive dissonance required to remove porn of a child from drawn porn of a child and say one os pedophilic but not the other is staggering.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised because we're on an imageboard.
>>778458were any children harmed in the creation of that drawing?
>>778459>One act is harmful towards children therefore it is pedophilic >One act is not harmful towards children but still sexualizes therefore is not pedophilic Just admit you're a pedophile upset you're getting dunked on while the elites can do what you dream of with impunity.
Petite-pedophile
wtf did vtubers and anime do to trigger a government chimp-out?
>>778469just not be conforming
>>778461sounds schizo, videogames also don't cause violence, why you need to have chimp outs over innocuous shit like art fetish shit ?.
internet makes people retarded.
>>778486I wouldn't entirely rule out the option that you're talking to an LLM
>>778486>equating consuming violent media to being sexually attracted to drawings of childreni shiggy
I would look at people who say they love Martyrs the same way I look at people who love loli porn.
zoomers petitioned for this shit.
>>778488>>equating consuming violent media to being sexually attracted to drawings of children>they both may be taboo for humanty but one is lustful and other is bloodthirsty so it's not the same !!!neither is happening with anyone real nor target the real in any meaningful way so it's a nothingburger to be getting hanged over it, simple as.
>>I would look at people who say they love Martyrs the same way I look at people who love loli porn.>bro these fucked up shit for me is so bad you bad if you like it.touch grass buddy, and not a drawing of a grass tuff, it's conection with nature not with a inexistant idea.
>>778461>>One act is harmful towards children therefore it is pedophilic >>One act is not harmful towards children but still sexualizes therefore is not pedophilic yes that's generally how legislative ethics works; if a crime is victimless then it's a waste of time using taxpayer money to punish people for it.
should we ban violent video games because a couple mass shooters turned out to have played fortnite?
>>778228>not even a vtuber>no evidence of any of this happeningyou retards are falling for bait meant for chuds lmao
>>778535>no evidenceI'm convinced there's like a coordinated online campaign to repeat this lie over and over again on this specific case. Never in my life on the internet have I seen people so readily defend government tyranny by claiming it's fake unless the government confirms it to be true.
This girl's real life name was publicly doxxed, you can confirm that on Twitter and look her up if you want to.
She has a long history going back to mid-2025 of posting thousands of dollars of hentai art commissions, you can confirm this on baraag. All that content is now deleted from the internet except when posted by the artists themselves. She has scrubbed ALL of her socials of any kind of hentai.
She has a public post in the OP, likely crafted by her lawyer with VERY specific terms of what she was arrested for and what her bail conditions are, and they fall in line with the UK's past history of targeting simulated CSAM with a harshness that is never seen against Epsteinites.
But I've observed both here, and on 4chan, and on sharty that Epsteinites continue to call it "fake news" and insist she's just faking the whole thing for attention, even though numerous people and news outlets have reached out to the British authorities and received nothing debunking it, which would happen immediately if it was fake given the online public outcry.
And most of all: What the fuck would her angle be if this was all faked? She has no patreon or way to contact/donate to her, she deleted or locked all of her socials, she has no means of profiting off of the engagement on her story. So why the fuck would someone go to these lengths just to fake a story about something we know the British government already does, and that they have bragged about doing for years?
It just makes you sound like a gullible retard if you somehow aren't a bot and yet keep posting this "ITS LE FAKE" spam.
>>778534Of course not.
I can see how this can be misconstrued, as this thread is explicitly about government censorship of media.
It's entirely my bad for engaging with the same anon I've engaged with multiple times over their attempts to allude the title of pedophile for regularly masturbating to lolicon porn.
>>778538 (me)
>alludeelude
>>778538If someone who masturbates to drawn depictions of children is a pedophile does that mean someone who plays violent video games is violent? Does the mere simulation of the act make you guilty of being a societal undesirable and therefore worthy of the gulag?
>>778541>If someone who masturbates to drawn depictions of children is a pedophile does that mean someone who plays violent video games is violent?<Does being sexually attracted to simulated images of children make me a pedophile? Think about the artistic merit those images, aren't they similar to le fortnite?I brought up Martyrs specifically because it's just thinly veiled misogyny disguised as an art house film. There is as much artistic merit in a 30 minute montage of beating and raping a woman as there is in pornography of a cartoon child. If you enjoyed Martyrs, I believe you're a misogynist and if you masturbate to underaged hentai you're a pedophile.
>Does the mere simulation of the act make you guilty of being a societal undesirable and therefore worthy of the gulag?<GuiltyBeing a pedophile is no crime, acting on it is. This is a clear distinction that pedophile apologists make. It doesn't make you any less of a pedophile.
>>778542>I brought up Martyrs specifically because it's just thinly veiled misogyny disguised as an art house film. There is as much artistic merit in a 30 minute montage of beating and raping a woman as there is in pornography of a cartoon child. If you enjoyed Martyrs, I believe you're a misogynist and if you masturbate to underaged hentai you're a pedophile. ngl you just sound like a chud. I've watched Martyrs twice and while the story is really stupid there are more layers to the film than just "horror porn go brrrr" and the audience's role in watching it with the expectation that it's horror porn out of morbid curiosity is literally part of its "message" so to speak.
I don't like the film, but you reducing a piece of art to "just violence against women" is just extremely reductive and chuddish.
>Being a pedophile is no crime, acting on it is. This is a clear distinction that pedophile apologists make. It doesn't make you any less of a pedophile.What's the purpose of the label if not for social ostracization? What's the difference between a "pedophile" who consumes fictional media and someone like GRRM who writes explicit sex scenes involving children but with the consent of the entire media industry and pop culture? Is there literally any point to this distinction when I know you for a fact do not consider applying the same kind of judgement you hold for lolicons onto "professional mainstream pedophiles" like him? It just seems like a way to bully people for something you don't like, and then post "based, nothing of value was lost lolxd" when they're victimized by fascism.
I'm not advocating we support or normalize pedophilia, quite the contrary actually. I think pedophilia should be a label reserved for those who actually victimize children so we can properly ostracize them for their crime and not dilute the label in any way. I don't think fiction has any place in handing out these labels that do nothing but provide us an easy way to hate someone. Particularly when, as in the case in the OP, the person will now be branded a sex offender and put on the registry for the rest of their life with every potential employer now knowing what they get up to behind the privacy of their own home. Is that fair to them, merely for consuming a cartoon?
Like it seems clear to me the goal with expanding the label of "pedophile" onto consumers of random fiction is just to muddy the waters over what people like Epstein do on the regular, to make it seem like it's totally normal behavior your next door neighbor might get up to, and to pollute sex offender registries with victimless criminals so you can't even tell off a glance if someone moving into your neighborhood is an actual piece of shit. It creates this social dynamic where the public is now expected to consider "oh, but did he do something actually bad?" when they find out someone is a pedophile or labeled as one, and like, the title itself should be reserved for people who actually have done something bad, there should not be any "harmless pedophiles" and people shouldn't be able to say "yeah I'm on the sex offender registry but it was for a bullshit reason man". Promoting or even allowing these injustices by labeling the victim a pedophile for not-actually-harming-any-children just seems shortsighted.
>>778542Oh no the thoughtcrime woe is me I deserve prison :^(
>>778540>getajob gif spammer downplaying a communications crackdownOf course he'd be a British flavored glowie. Burger glowies and krumpet glowies are the two least subtle kinds.
jackin it to hentai kids is suspicious af but this is excessive
>>778770Retards will just say 'hurr I never actually believed it was fake I was just trolling'
>>778770LOL.
Bad photoshop.
>>778776It means that piece of paperwork was originally created in 2019, Jesus Christ you people are dumb
>>778776sharty retard go back to your hole
>>778789is killing fictional characters murder?
>soyjakgo back
>>778791im not a shartycuck i just dont like loli
>>778801>i just dont like lolithat's your prerogative but this is a civil rights issue not a child sex crimes issue so I would think even someone that doesn't like loli should have their priorities straight that the government shouldn't be prosecuting cartoons.
and if there was any doubt that she's being prosecuted solely over cartoons and not any real life CSAM, this is the section of the law she's being charged under. it specifically says non-photographic images, aka art.
Why is this a surprise? I remember back in 2007-2009 when sections 62 and 65 of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009 were passed under Labour to nuke loli smut(and pseudo bestiality), and ever since loli smut has been banned, this loli vtuber literally has transparent underwear
>>778809it's extremely rare for people to be charged for cartoons alone. usually those are just used to stack charges on actual pedophiles to force them into a plea deal or guarantee time even if they get off on a technicality. the fact this is being used to target normal people is what's got people questioning it.
of course the UK is ruled by pedophiles so charging normal people to pad their pedo conviction stats so they don't have to go after actual pedos is totally in character for them I guess.
>>778813It's not too rare at all, its just the UK is very focused on importing loli stuff and we have seen plenty of instances of ppl trying to import loli sex dolls and doujins being charged, people have been arrested just for loli images before such as Robul Hoque, who was the first to be charged under these new amendments
This vtuber stuff is odd though, especially cause we don't really have details and so much of the info is from 2nd hand friends and i dont blame people for finding it all sus
>>778813>it's extremely rare for people to be charged for cartoons aloneIt's usually morons who aren't satisfied with downloading pics for free and need to spend money on physical loli doujins from the most recent comiket plus shipping.
>>778825>Retards here are such schizo cattle rightfully pointing out this is most likely some chvd grift will get interpreted as a defense of the brit governmentWhere's the grift exactly? I keep asking it but none of you tourists ever provide evidence beyond "vibes" just because you don't like lolicons. She has no social media to speak of, no way to donate to any kind of legal defense fund, and the only outlets reporting on it are treating it as a civil rights issue and not giving much attention to the vtuber or her content.
It would be kind of an insane grift for someone to PRETEND to be prosecuted for CSAM. I've never heard of such a thing lmao.
>>778827Yeah from what I know that's what usually does it, trying to import physical stuff and it getting caught at customs. This person didn't do that though which is what makes the case more crazy. They arrested her for commissioning art and are treating it as if she funded CSAM production by doing so. Insane.
>ITS MUH CIVIL RIGHTS TO JERK OFF TO CHILD PORN
I don't care if it's harmless or not, lolicon is a degeneracy that any socialist government would stamp out with extreme prejudice. Only degenerated capitalist societies tolerate it.
It's a good thing to imprison pedophiles, actually.
>>778829>I keep asking it but none of you tourists ever provide evidence beyond "vibes"? wheres the evidence this "vtuber" (a vtuber with 0 videos somehow who paid for a twitter blue check to hide their location lol) got arrested lmao
<unironically using "tourist"i hate newfags trying to fit in so much
also,
>ermmmm wheres the grift in making up a situation that gives you your 15 minutes of fame
genuine mental retardation lol
>>778362they mean fake as in theres literally no info at all on "mimi yanagi" before the date of the alleged arrest
>>778840Why didn't they just say that in the first place???
>>778840>theres literally no info at all on "mimi yanagi" before the date of the alleged arresthttps://baraag.net/@MimiYanagi(warning, lots of loli hentai)
>>778834>>778833you're reactionaries. I thought this was a materialist website
>>778845Uohhh!!
But seriously seems weird they would leave that up and take down any streams of her.
Maybe this story is bullshit I don't know
>>778845>Joined Feb 01, 2025and the xitter account is like a month old bruh
is there any official source that says she was arrested other than herself (lol)? i know that the UK is a clown country, but like what makes her a vtuber? theres no streams, no videos, nothing
searching on /vt/ or google i also dont see any mentions of her other than news of her alleged arrest lol
>>778847>and take down any streams of herLMAO really uygha? even if the videos themselves are gone there would be
something on the wayback machine at least
>>778847those are commissions posted by the artists, not by her. baraag is like twitter for lolicons anyone can tag you in a post.
>>778848>and the xitter account is like a month old bruhHer first account dates back to 2023, though it's private. The description reads "Bratty imouto bunnygirl VTuber of sorts!~" which is mighty unusual. (
https://xcancel.com/Mimi_Yabai) Anon's Baraag link seems to be undeniable proof that she was …something before April 2026.
>>778848I mean she never said she was a popular Vtuber.
nonce
>>778835too bad no pedophiles were harmed, only fee-fee hurters.
>>778852We really need to differentiate between people who rape kids and people who are just attracted to them, that's why lolisho fans won't accept being called 'pedophiles' since that traditionally just means 'child rapist'
>>778833this but with incest-All them marxists like trotsky talking their ass about it.
>>778854>that's why lolisho fans won't accept being called 'pedophiles' since that traditionally just means 'child rapist'you're really trying hard to normalize the idea lolisho is pedophilia but, you still haven't been able to defeat the violent video games argument. don't skip ahead.
>>778858Someone who plays violent video games is excited by fictional violence at least on some level. I think that is fair to say. We don't even have a word for that since it's so common.
I don't think being a pedophile makes you a bad person so I think we should just be honest about it.
>>778854pedophilia is a primary of exclusive sexual attraction to minors. there's no other definition.
the fact that the fetish is so morally abhorred isn't my fault, and people need to form activist groups to noramlize pedophilia, though it will never work (hopefully)
>>778860In normative usage 'pedophile' is synonymous with 'child rapist' even if that's not the technical definition
Out of interest why would it be a bad thing if society stopped punishing people for impulses they had no choice over whatsoever?
>>778859>I don't think being a pedophile makes you a bad person so I think we should just be honest about it.thing is, being a pedophile is a crime, its just like claiming you a serial killer for playing manhunt or hitman, people don't like being branded for shit they won't do.
>>778860Also if you have to be primarily attracted to children to be a pedophile then lolisho doesn't make you one unless you basically never have sexual desire for an adult surely
>>778862I mean like I said I get the issue with the language but I also think it's asinine for people that like lolisho to say they have no attraction to children
>>778862>being a pedophile is a crimeWrong
>>778861>impulses they had no choice over whatsoeverThis is such a retarded pop psych way of looking at things. Not all coping mechanisms are healthy, btw.
>>778864I think the issue here is you're exploiting language and stigmas to categorize a piece of media as solely catering to the mentally ill and therefore otherizing anyone who enjoys it or engages with it.
In reality people are complicated and you can't just throw clinical/criminal labels around outside of their intended clinical/criminal use. Someone might not be attracted to real life children but heavily into lolisho. Maybe they're just in denial and compartmentalized it so much that they completely blocked off the "real life" aspect and exclusively consume hentai for that particular fetish and nothing else. Or maybe they genuinely just…arent attracted to kids and like loli for the size difference aspect or the taboo of the story or the physical traits common to loli characters(big head, skinny body, short stature, flat chests, etc) outside of them being for kids. Maybe they just grew up around anime and grew to like the aesthetic of lolis due to constant exposure making it feel comfortable. Maybe they ARE a pedophile and just don't want to be judged by society for having a healthy outlet for their problems. Who the fuck knows. I just think it's not really useful to throw around the label of pedophile when it comes to fiction when you know exactly what you're doing and just encouraging people to react violently and aggressively towards a harmless cartoon.
I'm old enough to have gone through the same debates about furfaggotry on old-old-4chan and people wanting to hang furries, calling them zoophiles, accusing them of raping dogs, etc, and this largely died down with the brony wave infecting 4chan, ironically. I was never a furry, I always found furry art kinda gross especially when it's too animalistic, but I never attempted to label them as zoophiles, a group of people that harm real animals, just because of the cartoons they fap to. It seems like the internet has largely moved on from furries and onto lolicons these days because they're easy prey, but I think the argument is basically the same. You shouldn't try to connect real life analogues to fucking cartoon porn, it just doesn't work. You shouldn't try to extrapolate from someone's porn taste and use it to label them as a societal undesirable. Perfectly normal people can be into the weirdest shit and you never know because they keep it private and don't let it affect their real life or relationships.
Should people into ABDL be called pedophiles because they use terms like "daddy" and have a heavy incestuous aspect to their roleplay? Cuz like that fetish is EXTREMELY popular among women, and so is self-inserting as a little girl in general tbh. That's likely what's going on with this vtuber actually, since all her content was of her OC and often encouraged her adult fans to jack off to her in loli roleplay despite being an adult. Sometimes this is how abuse victims deal with their own trauma, you never know man.
tl;dr I think we should treat people who victimize children more harshly and just leave everyone else alone. Is that so much to ask?
>opinions = le moralism
sure communism absolutely rejects moralism, that doesnt mean communists dont have personal values lmfao
>>778872your personal values should end with your person. you're free to not associate with lolicons based on your own reactionary beliefs but don't apply morality to politics. it's a recipe for disaster.
not only is prosecuting lolicons as much of a waste of money and resources as prosecuting nonviolent drug offenders, but it just further empowers the state to encroach on our privacy in their attempts to "go after" cartoon porn lmfao. hundreds/thousands of cops are getting a salary just to look at cartoon porn all day and determine if it's illegal based on the "vibes" of whether the character might be underage. and chuds just think "hurr nothing of value was lost" when their tax dollars are spent doing this dumb shit. then they go to court and get paid overtime to sit in the booth and testify about the cartoon's chest being too flat, nipples too pink. the UK public are being fleeced and chuds can't think of anything but "based based based fuck pedos" lmao.
>>778876>le reactionary for not being a pedophilejust say youre an anarchist so i can safely ignore your post lol, communism has very specific goals for a reason
>>778872An opinion or personal value can be moralistic, and when it is, it's reactionary.
>>778878thats not what reactionary means either lmao everyone here is fucking illiterate
bc everyone here is a fucking retard i have to spell out that moralism entails an entire belief system where morality is treated as objective, its not just when theres any moral opinions whatsoever lol
>>778879Why would someone hold a moral opinion if they saw no material base for it? What are you even left with if you strip the kayfabe from the moral?
>>778877Communism has zero doctrine when it comes to sex. Communists have done shit all the way from Ceausescu banning abortion to Stalin being an incel to Marx having 10 kids to Mao having 5 wives and an imperial harem and even Sartre and Beria being pedophiles. Communism is not supposed to be a religion. It's a framework for organizing the state and economy, not organizing your private life. Fucking moralists lmao.
>>778859i was going to agree with this, a few of my more unethical faps have bordered on cub but it's just because I thought the size diff was hot (what I usually goon too).
I agree its dangerous to assume that anyone who faps to loli is 100% a pedophile and would given no repercussions fuck an actual child which is what these type of arguments at least seem to imply.
>>778885wrong tag meant to reply to
>>778870I think it's also weird people act like sexuality isn't at least *a little* dark and fucked up, we are all repressing some of our more anti-social tendencies. It's just a part of the whole living in society thing.
>>778885>I agree its dangerous to assume that anyone who faps to loli is 100% a pedophile and would given no repercussions fuck an actual child which is what these type of arguments at least seem to imply.that's what it seems like. like, if you have to be so insistent on using the label, why? you could just call them a lolicon or a shotacon since those are the official words for it. but they choose to cling to the word pedophile for a specific reason, and while they try to mask it around "normalizing" mental illness i think any observer can tell it's just meant to demonize and ostracize them.
>>778886>I think it's also weird people act like sexuality isn't at least *a little* dark and fucked up, we are all repressing some of our more anti-social tendencies. It's just a part of the whole living in society thing.yeah the arguments around moralizing porn consumption always seem to boil down to "only bad people consume porn" or "porn makes you do x y and z" but the reality is healthy adults with fully formed brains can tell the difference from fiction and reality and aren't gonna go on a raping spree just because of porn. targeting particular fetishes just makes it even worse because it's just the classic fascist scapegoating imo. they find one target to blame for society's ills and then once that target is exterminated they look for another one to demonize without any empirical evidence necessary. just the vibes of something being "icky" or "for bad people" makes it apparently ok to act like a reactionary chud.
>>778877> very specific goalsyea the abolition of private property lol
if you are arguing for massive state machinery to go after pixel gooners you are clearly losing the plot here.
>>778888>>778877It's not even the goal either, just the result of the material circumstances that would be achieved as it arives. It's a mode of production.
>>778888>if you are arguing for massive state machinery to go after pixel goonersi simply Dont Care for it either way lol, sorry im not a middle classer with infinite energy to waste on infinite goose chases
>>778914>I have opinion about thing >your personal values should end with your person>no because communism will agree with me>you have a flawed and mystical understanding of what communism is>I don't care about thing actuallyNot either anon in this convo but that's not a very clean dodge.
>>778917>first post being "communism being anti-moralist doesnt mean not having opinions" and 2 posts above saying not every single thing under the sun has to do with communism just bc we live under capitalism<getting "no because communism will agree with me" from this convodont reply to me if ur an illiterate retard 👍
>>778870I don't disagree with most of what you're saying, just it annoys me a bit when people are not honest about this kind of thing. Like many furries are zoophiles at least to an extent, that doesn't make them bad people either.
>>778869Please explain how they choose it. Even if a coping mechanism 'isn't healthy' in your opinion doesn't mean it should be illegal
>>778876Based
>>778887I mean I agree we shouldn't criminalise (fictional) porn but again, 'lolicon' just translates to pedophile
>>778914not caring about injustice is the same as being complicit in it.
you are a privileged epsteinite that just likes to revel in other people being persecuted by the state and only turn on your empathy for things you personally benefit from. you just want to hide behind "not caring" when you're actually in fact happy to see people being hurt for non-crimes just because they give you the ick. you are not a marxist.
>>778919>I mean I agree we shouldn't criminalise (fictional) porn but again, 'lolicon' just translates to pedophileI think even if you genuinely believe all lolicons are pedophiles, it would be more productive to offer these closeted pedophiles an offramp to avoid the pedophile label and just let them enjoy their thing in peace. You know as well as I do that no one is ever going to rehabilitate the pedophile label and being labeled or self-identifying as a pedophile is basically a death sentence due both literally and professionally. So forgive me for not seeing the value in insisting these people put themselves at risk just to win a battle of semantics.
idunno, I'm not gonna suggest your intentions are wholly malicious, but pedophilia and the debate over the label has basically no relevance to this case imo. The person in question did not victimize any children or even interact with any children, and it's purely a civil liberties/free speech/privacy debate. If you think people should have the full weight of the police state raping them for looking at victimless fictional material, then you're a reactionary. If you don't, then you should oppose this. The ethics of "what" they look at kinda doesn't matter if it's fictional, since there is no material harm being inflicted.
>>778920>injusticemore vague moralfagging that in practice just means, once again, going after endless goose chases that have nothing to do with the class struggle whatsoever lol
<le epic che guevara quotelmfao bruh
>>778920btw youre such a lib faggot you physically cant even imagine someone genuinely not having a strong opinion on this one way or the other
>you are not a marxist<posting an absolutely meaningless che guevara quote that even a rightard could appropriatefucking lmao, again
bro we get it you're a based chud reactionary calm down and stop shitting up the tor node
>>778922>You know as well as I do that no one is ever going to rehabilitate the pedophile label and being labeled or self-identifying as a pedophile is basically a death sentence due both literally and professionally. So forgive me for not seeing the value in insisting these people put themselves at risk just to win a battle of semantics.I mean I don't know. Maybe you're right, I just hold out hope that we can one day live in a more enlightened era where everything sexual and unorthodox isn't so stigmatised. Obviously I'm not saying loli consumers should go around telling everyone they're a pedophile IRL. As I've said I agree it should be legal, if they don't want to call themselves pedophiles then okay, fair enough.
Hmm . . . Damn bratty girl . . .! !! ! Seducing an adult💢💢 Rape correction is needed . . .💢
>>779068I don't get it
>>779382Fucking true, nobody who watches gore (pretty mainstream) has any room to criticise lolicons. I remember there was a scandal because some "true crime" winemom influencer got autopsy photos of a murdered kid and was selling access to them as a patreon reward. But I bet all the people who wanted that would froth at the mouth about this Vtuber existing
>>779382>>779384trying to find something "more" depraved than your hobbies and using it to have the moral high ground is very common "at least I'm not x"
it's textbook cope
>>778920>I CANT JERK OFF TO CHILD PORN THE STATE IS HECKING OPPRESSING MEactual flat earther/anti vaxxer logic
>>779387Sorry that I actually want there to be some logical consistency in our laws.
>>779388Well think how you would feel if someone tried to take your gore collection away? How would you be able to jerk off then?
>>778228>and might be prosecuted for CSAMi would assume this means real kids, no?
>>779401Not in the UK it doesn't, it is classed as the exact same afaik
>>779403but there is no actual child and no sexual assault
that is retarded
>>779404This
Meanwhile, we can show kids being butchered in cartoons
>>779391>im a disturbed paraphilic therefore everyone else also isyou can live without child porn bro
>>779382the replacement for liveleak, watchpeopledie.tv, is completely controlled by israelis, so I really agree with this. i'm pretty sure the admin himself is israeli. and in comparison with liveleak where the way you engaged with violent media was just watching the video, wpd is a reddit clone so the main form of engagement is posting horrendous comments about people dying and farming updoots for posting "nice tits" under a cartel rape/murder video or celebrating the deaths of entire families to israeli drone strikes.
the fetishization of violence in western society while simultaneously criminalizing sexuality is pretty telling tbh. at least somewhere like japan whom people "suspect" has a high rate of sex crimes (despite no statistical evidence) has basically nonexistent violent crime and generally zero tolerance when it comes to depictions of violence in media, particularly showing real life violent footage.
lolicon or furry or DDLG etc are always there as a convenient scapegoat for people who like terrorizing their fellow citizens over "imagined" violence but don't like actually doing anything that might threaten the bourgeois's interests like going after "real" violence.
>>779463japan is the india of east asia
>>779401Nah, what I was saying is they are planning to prosecute her for funding/distributing CSAM because she bought lolicon hentai commissions from Japanese artists and posted them online. They never found any actual CSAM on her machine, everyone involved in this case has been saying that.
>>779411this is a false sharty/kiwifag lie they've been spamming because they want to tie everything to being about transhumanists as part of their culture war.
>>779464Ironically indians are such a pest in Japan when it comes to sex crimes that the Japanese are starting to get sick of the government's open door policy when it comes to Indian migrant workers. Seemingly they constantly harass Japanese women and don't understand the etiquette of Japan's rape culture. Like a Japanese man on the train might stare at a girl's boobs or he might take creepshots in public on his phone or whatever, but physically they usually leave the women alone outside the most egregious cases. Meanwhile Indians apparently just walk right up to any girl dressed remotely revealing and grope her tits. There've been many cases of Indian men being extremely violent with the women at Japanese brothels/love hotels or violent crashing out when the hostess club worker or maid cafe employee doesn't want to have sex with them. Its bad enough that many of these places have door policies to forbid Indians outright. Pretty much all the sex work hubs(and public baths) in Japan are banning Indians. The two countries' rape cultures are so different that what is considered normal in India is horrifying to a Japanese person that is used to a cowardly inoffensive kind of sexual harassment.
>>778249> "how dare you want justice for Epstein and Prince Andrew's victims, stop talking about it or we'll ban more cartoons"pedo narcissists think everything is about them and their selfish egocentrism, Hubert Humphrey style
>>778257>the massive push for digital IDhttps://xcancel.com/Pirat_Nation/status/2032872323879973241>>778920>persecuted by the state>you're actually in fact happy to see people being hurt for non-crimesactually Ellen Degeneres ate the vegan option during Epstein's human meat dinner parties! She's only amused by the aroma and fragrance of cannibalism, that's totally different
>>779479>tries to downplay Epstein's billionaire child rape parties by accusing random law abiding citizens whom don't interact with children of being complicit in Epstein's crimesdo you think anyone will fall for this outside the most deranged, out of touch epsteinites?
it's like accusing people who play racing video games as being responsible for real life street racing accidents. absolute insanity.
>>779464India and Japan are both LIONS.
>>779476>their uncivilised sexual harassment<our enlightened creepshotsso this thread are pedos + we wuzzing rightoids who think japan is a utopia
>>779497what a supremely dishonest and reductive take. just what I'd expect from leftypol.
>>779498just like saying that the government is oppressing you because they dont let u consume porn
>>779499shouldn't you be on facebook? what's an actual unironic christfag puritan doing on leftypol?
>>779501In AES, consumption of pornography could be met with the death penalty. That was a major charge against Yagoda when he got executed.
>>779499>just like saying that the government is oppressing you because they dont let u consume porni mean that is actually oppression, ok it doesn't bother you, fine, doesn't change the fact. a dog who never tries to stand up doesn't realise he is chained
>>779504no it isnt. societies come up with laws and they enforce it, its just as oppressive as mask or seatbelt laws
>>779505so by that logic no law is oppressive? are you sure you're in the right place?
>>779503social conservatism is still social conservatism even when it's stalin doing it.
>>779505you're a fucking retard mask and seatbelt laws have an empirical basis in safety. banning porn has had literally zero evidence of keeping anyone safe outside of abstract bullshit like "protecting social values" that conservatives love to use to terrorize people.
>>779506laws enforcing things arent jnherently oppressive
>>779507no one is being terrorised. society loses nothing from banning loli and gains nothing from keeping it, other than the satisfaction of a group of disturbed people
>>779508>laws enforcing things arent jnherently oppressiveno not inherently, obviously, there is such a thing as a good law, but banning born isn't one
>no one is being terrorised. society loses nothing from banning loli and gains nothing from keeping it, other than the satisfaction of a group of disturbed peopleSo should we go and smash up all the statues of ancient greek gods raping women or fucking little boys or whatever? because it's degenerate or some bullshit?
>>779508>no one is being terrorised. society loses nothing from banning loli and gains nothing from keeping it, other than the satisfaction of a group of disturbed peopleso how would you propose your ideal marxist society enforce this loli/porn ban in a way that loses nothing?
should the state be actively involved in spying on its citizens to ensure they aren't consuming porn? should citizens be encouraged to report their peers for consuming forbidden media? should the state have a police force spending taxpayer resources going after porn consumers?
you're just a reactionary that thinks your specific ick is actually justified under marxism because "muh vibes".
it's a bit ironic that you propose we recreate the worst traits of the soviet union that made the red scare so successful in the first place, and made the state so susceptible to collapse due to mass distrust and resentment towards the government. it's as if you either learned nothing from history or simply choose to twist it to fit your own ends because you just hate sex and are willing to sabotage the entire communist movement to tell everyone how much you hate sex.
>>779510thankfully 'socially conservative communists' don't actually exist IRL and are just a weird online phenomenon
>>779512more moralism that doesn't concern me.
>>779513you're delusional if you don't think any AES will not need to rely on heavy handed censorship. in fact, i would go as far as banning capeshit, anime, video games, just go full marxist supernanny.
>>779512why? other than that you don't like it?
>>779515that's nice but will never ever happen, the actual communist movement is libertine. maybe loli porn is a bridge too far for them still, for now, but maybe we'll get there one day
>>779516yes, why would i encourage people fantasizing about the sort of underwear children wear
>>779517>the actual communist movement is libertineno it isn't, literal childish conception of communism. perhaps anarchism is more your speed, i heard bakunin was also a pedophile.
>>779508>society loses nothing from banning loli and gains nothing from keeping itYou always lose something by banning things, specifically the thing you banned. As it also gains nothing from ban, the only course of action is keeping it. Like this is the basicest principle of law, it doesnt "allow" things, everything is legal unless it is made illegal.
>>779518ok, so should we censor every piece of media in the worry it might cause someone to be offended or be 'encouraged' to do something bad? should we ban all fictional violence?
>>779519it obviously is, try going outside and telling actual real life communists that you want to ban porn, anime, and videogames etc, they'll just smile awkwardly and assign you as a nutter in their head
>>779521>try going outside and telling actual real life communistsHe is going to call them westeroid treatleraits, dont even bother.
>>779521>ok, so should we censor every piece of media "ok what if we did the thing you mentioned but also in this context where it makes no sense at all and is completely outside the realms of this conversation" nonsense sophistry, can we stick with the lolicon images detailing a specific fantasy of children wearing highly eroticized underwear
> try going outside and telling actual real life communists that you want to ban porn, animenever talked to people outside award
>>779523>can we stick with the lolicon images detailing a specific fantasy of children wearing highly eroticized underwearYou say that like its self-evidently le bad.
>>779523There's no proof lolicon harms children in any way, the countries that are the most draconian about porn also generally have the most sex crimes
>>779509most people would argue that these statues have artistic and historic value. but if a society decides that these statues no longer reflect their values, whats wrong with getting rid of them? we tear confederate statues all the time
and this is irrelevant to the conversation at hand, anyway
>>779510im not proposing anything, society is. if society chooses to ban harmful material such as drawn cp, theres nothing wrong with that because it creates no downside.
>but digital surveillance is badwhich already exists and will continue to exist. and if surveillance is so bad, maybe we shouldnt even ban real life cp, and maybe just let people commit whatever crimes they want online
>>779530The downside is the impediment on freedom. Why should it be ok to put a statue in a museum of Zeus fucking his boywife but if someone picks up a pencil and draws the exact same thing they go to jail? What possible sense does that make?
>>779533>>779530Also you act like "society" decided this, no, it was politicians, the UK porn ID laws would absolutely not pass a referendum of the public and honestly there's a chance that the lolisho ban might not even pass. Currently there's a law being passed that bans porn where someone 'acts underage', or features step sibling incest (which isn't even illegal in real life), it was incredibly predictable that the vile shrews and evangelicals would not be satisfied and would not be able to resist restricting sexual freedom even more. I predict that soon they will probably also try to ban furries
>>779533freedom is a meaningless word in the first place, and no society was ever free. freedom to do what?
>>779535this might sound crazy but I think people should be free to look at whatever cartoons they want in the privacy of their own home, it doesn't hurt anyone and has no empirical societal impact. literally the only reason to feel otherwise is if you're a weird puritan freak.
any state that feels threatened by a cartoon is not to be taken seriously. it's clearly too fragile to rely on to implement Marxism.
>>779535Freedom to express yourself, freedom to create the art you want to. Freedom to look at lolisho porn yes. Also don't play pedantic games like "what is freedom", that's just childish. Freedom is a good thing without any other context, we shouldn't restrict it unless there's a good reason to do so. Only a religious freak would disagree.
>>779538>>779539you guys keep referring to it as art, cartoons, drawings, ignoring the fact that the only value loli has is pornographic. its made to arouse pedophiles and thats it. so why the fuck would a society choose to allow this?
>>779531>there is no world where any western socialist state can succeed with those values. the reason why this "criticism" gets leveraged against socialist countries often is because they're historically the only countries that have managed to survive for long are precisely the ones that practice mass censorship. also you keep doing the midwit thing of equivocating censorship with mass surveilance, and you need to do this because you know your argument of allowing the free distribution of scantily dressed children can barely stand by itself.
>>779541genshin should be banned, but for being gachaslop, and china sponsors gachaslop while tightly regulating it domestically because they want to turn western children into degenerate gamblers.
>>779542>also you keep doing the midwit thing of equivocating censorship with mass surveilanceyou haven't provided a solution for how a state should engage in censorship without mass surveillance. should the state not engage wholeheartedly with its own laws? should they just do censorship on paper but not actively seek out offenders? why are you avoiding the question and just offloading it to some nebulous "people's democracy" to decide how it's implemented?
>>779540How exactly can you draw the line between art and pornography so easily? Literally the entire Western artistic tradition is based on paintings that you mostly would get told off for showing to a kid. Tits, ass, fucking, etc.
To some people loli is meaningful not just to jerk off to but as a form of self expression. Even if it was truly 0% artistic in all cases, what difference should that even make? People should be allowed to jerk off to whatever they want unless it actually demonstrably harms other people.
So why the fuck should society allow it? Because it doesn't harm anyone and the only arguments against it are just spook based
>>779541if the child character was portrayed in a suggestive or erotic manner, yes, it would be wrong
>>779547Why? It's not real.
>>779547Who defines what is suggestive or erotic? Nahida does not wear shoes and always has bare feet. Footfags consider this extremely erotic. Should she be banned because some people feel that way?
>>779549I genuinely saw posts like that saying the game was for sickos. And you know what - they're probably partly right! And that's okay.
>>779550i like this bit of not mentioning the "transparent" lace panties, keep doing this awesome shit
>>779548because we live in the real world and sexual depictions of children are used by pedophiles to normalise abuse.
for example, take a look at NAMBLA a group dedicated to normalising and promoting the abuse of children (which were only allowed to do this because of your "allow everything" policy) . they loved michael jackson, even if he wasnt a pedophile, because his behaviour helped normalise creepy and abusive behaviour towards children
>>779549we should keep the game but everyone in charge of socials promoting this game should be shot expeditiously.
>>779553>sexual depictions of children are used by pedophiles to normalise abuse.Where's the proofs?? Don't just state it, prove it
>>779551I saw those posts and they always come off as just people trying to talk down on -thing people like- for no other reason than the people who like it are perceived as their ideological enemies(men).
It always annoys me how fucking bad internet Marxists are at separating their personal icks from objective reality.
this literal kpop stan account complaining that Diana is only popular for having a plastic model face is so fucking funny.
>>779555are you saying that media has no impact on society? the movies people watch dont influence their worldview? if people are watching movies where children are sexualised, wouldnt that be normalised to an extent?
>>779545you're saying this as if we didn't have magic computer algorithms being able to quickly detect and take down/demonetize infringing content, which western economies mostly use for enforcing ridiculous shit like IP theft.
>>779555>>779553Like my point is any sensible person can tell the difference between a fictional child and a real one. You can make the exact same argument that fictional violence should be banned because otherwise it will "encourage" people.
>>779552ngl I never looked at her panties so I didn't catch this. thank you for noticing her barely covered pussy that none of us would be aware of it not for your brain hyperfocusing on it. you're doing god's work, puritan anon.
>>779561violence has a reason to exist in media, pornographic depictions of child abuse dont.
>>779557Is this girl dumb? Surely pedos would like the right side image even more
>>779563What's the reason? Because you personally find it entertaining?
>>779560wait so your solution to the inherent contradictions of mass censorship is that we should leave it to AI to identify and report offending content?
holy shit lmfao.
>>779560And you're saying that's not mass surveillance??
>>779565once again you keep ignoring the fact that this entire discussion is about pornographic, glorified portrayals of child abuse. you keep jumping to x or y point to ask if this or that is acceptable ignoring that your position is clearly indefensible
reminder the largest japanese anti porn org PAPs is led by a trans woman with deep japanese communist party ties and is constantly at the UN lobbying to nuke lolipedo shit
>>779566>>779567Objectively less draconian than what you're currently facing in most western so-called democracies that allow for pedophile depictions of children.
>>779572That's not what draconian means
>>779564That's exactly what I was thinking, the right image is obviously way more childlike and pedo-pandering, this person is either trolling or out of touch. but I kinda tuned out of that xitter convo around Pragmata because it just turned into a gender war, with a bunch of female vtubers who like Diana caught inbetween lol.
>>779569this is more an issue of Capcom being incapable of character model design that doesn't use actors because they think realism boosts sales. It's indicative of a trend in gaming where being movie-like is a meta-indicator of "AAA quality" so every AAA studio is obsessed with it.
>>779570she sounds like a weird voyeuristic puritan and should probably be ostracized by communists. imagine spending your life campaigning about protecting the imaginary victims of lolisho and appealing to epsteinites to ban it for you, instead of fighting the epstein class in its entirety.
>>779568If you can't explain why loli is different from violent video games it shouldn't be banned
>>779576what is this 4chan "i don't know what words mean can you google the dictionary for me" kind of shit lol
>>779578just entertaining a thought here but the game would be more poweful if the robot child was depicted as some sort of alien district 9-type roach, and the game wanted you to be parental to it, instead of this 14-word0-compliant blonde cartoon of a kid's commercial actress.
>>779583Unfortunately we are slaves to capitalism so they made the game that was most likely to sell copies
>>779581If you think current society is worse than AES then fine but it's clearly not 'more draconian'
>>779583that's more the realm of indie games, and there are a decent number of games or media like that albeit most of them are actual porn just trying to pander to a specific fetish of monstergirl.
Capcom is a large corporation that is solely focused on making money so they're obviously going to try to make their endearing child character as cute and "attractive" as possible to maximize sales instead of spreading some kind of moralist message about parenting.
>>779586I think whether I lived in China or the USA it would have no difference when it comes to porn consumption. Chinese people aren't exactly puritans just because their government says so. Porn is extremely common in China and the government ignores it despite porn being on paper illegal. You can import loli merch in China and unless you're a enemy of the state or try to make money off your paraphilia the government doesn't care.
Is that what you mean by AES?
>>779574you keep dodging the points you make holy shit. you posted a fucking videogame and asked if it having a child is ok, i say obviously it is, unless that child was being sexualised, you ask why, i tell you that its done by pedos to normalise abuse, now youre dodging that saying that akshually it wouldnt be used in a videogame
>>779596>i tell you that its done by pedos to normalise abusethis entire discussion boils down to your inability to prove this and refusal to admit that you pulled it out of your ass by hiding behind "common sense" and indignantly spamming "I don't like pedophiles" like such a ridiculous moral appeal would sway anyone on leftypol.
and before any of you fucks say anything, mainstream japanese culture is incredibly pedophilic, even cartoons aimed at kids/teens have creepy fanservice or treat abuse as a joke
this is clearly done with the intent to normalise said behaviour, why do you think its so common for mangaka to get caught with CP in their hard drive? and pedophilia is so normalised there that they dont even get arrested for it.
>>779597youre saying that we need to sacrifice childrens comfort just so a few rich pedos can have le ebin lolis
>>779598>why do you think its so common for mangaka to get caught with CP in their hard drive?this has happened like, once or twice in modern history. calling it common is quite a reach.
you're kind of betraying your own attempts to couch your disdain for anime behind "protecting the kids" as social fascists usually do.
>>779599you haven't proved children are in any way victimized by lolisho. are we just gonna keep going in circles because you know you can't prove it?
>>779601uyghur i have given you countless examples meanwhile you keep retreating to muh greek statues muh violence in video games
dont even take my word for it, take the fucking pedophiles word for it, once again go read NAMBLAs thoughts on michael jackson. or look at how sex crimes are not taken seriously in japan, in part due to their normalisation of abuse
>>779603>uyghur i have given you countless examples meanwhile you keep retreating to muh greek statues muh violence in video gamesyour examples thus far just seem to boil down to making shit up though? how is a child victimized or meant to feel unsafe by what an adult does privately in their home far away from them? you could ask every single child in Japan if they feel "unsafe" by the constant presence of sexualized children in anime and they'd look at you like a lunatic. the anti-lolisho crusaders always seem paralyzed by the inability to prove any of their claims that "media I don't like" leads to criminality.
>dont even take my word for it, take the fucking pedophiles word for it, once again go read NAMBLAs thoughts on michael jackson.why should I care what pedophiles have to say?
also I find it funny you reference mangakas being arrested for having actual CP when the most publicized case that everyone has heard about, the Rurouni Kenshin mangaka, did not draw any kind of lolisho content and his story was a standard adult romance set in feudal Japan. Like it would be equivalent to if one of the Halo devs got arrested for CP and using it as evidence that video games are inherently pedophilic and should be banned lol.
>>779607gish gallop
you said that apples are a fruit? well thats just like saying a piece of shit i took earlier this morning is a fruit! if you say this reasonable thing then logically you also believe in this other insane thing!
>>779609you said i moved goalposts? thats literally like saying all jews should die. why are you hitler?
>>779610uh huh
I'm going to stop replying to you now unless you can provide any proof that lolisho victimizes children. I'm interested in discussion and potentially forming consensus or evolving my views, but not entertaining reactionaries.
It's facinating how some people will focus on the pedophilia part knowing full well that's just a wedge issue. Like it wouldn't matter if it's noncery or not. Focus on the topology of the issue you smooth brains.
>>779639their bail bond papers were posted earlier in the thread
>>778770The only "loli" game I've ever played was Teaching Feeling, and that's arguably not even loli and can be played fully sfw. Though I wasn't surprised to learn the dev is a big nationalist racist, so many big nsfw jp guys tend to hold some chud views
>>779644>Teaching Feelingmy favorite part about that game is how the dev got super pissed about people pirating his game and canceled the english translation because he had a crashout over westerners in particular stealing his game and said they don't deserve to play it.
anyway if you want something similar without any NSFW content maybe try Magical Princess
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3562120/Magical_Princess/ >>779611Leftypol cares more about fictional kids being drawn erotically than real life kids being born in derelict environments
>>781141man zoomers are so fucking unfunny lmao
irony poisoned losers
>>781143You find it unfunny because she's making fun of you. You're not the target audience.
>>781143so much for zoomies wanting to dismantle millennial humour and kickstart le neosincerity just to end up being literally the same
>>781148>>781143Vtuber culture is a bunch of grown ass women "ironically" pretending to be cute anime girls while also Madonna-Whore complexing the fuck out of their fans.
If anything the zoomers are being anti-irony by rejecting all this performative bs.
>>781148There's nothing ironic about that video, it's very direct. Unless you consider all satire irony.
>>781147no I find it unfunny because it's a girl whose entire audience comes from her being physically attractive, making fun of anime girls who do the same thing. it's just "haha anime is so cringe amirite guyzzz?" but being an irl e-girl is based.
i took a quick look at her content and all of it is just being irony poisoned making fun of other people while looking like the epitome of "i have a white boyfriend" aesthetic in every single video. this person is completely soulless lmao. don't get your hot takes from e-girls.
>>781151>that slop avatarholy shit lmao tiktok is bleak af
>>781151Being a regular e-celeb is already performing a fake personality for the sake of the audience but being a vtuber is like performing two or more fake personalities at the same time. I just can't suspend my disbelief that much, no shade towards vtuber fans but it just ain't my thing.
>>781153I'm pretty sure that's a picrew / game avatar of some sort, not AI. At the very least using AI to make something like that seems like more effort than just doing it the normal way.
>>781155I see it differently since vtubers are roleplaying for their own sake as well. Meanwhile normie e-girls like this just come off like they're desperate for validation. When you're a vtuber there's nothing to validate, you aren't a real person just a character, and if you take off the avatar no one cares about you. There's no "ego" behind vtubing, you have to be entertaining on your own merits instead of your physical appearance, so it feels more sincere to me than whatever this girl is doing.
That's not saying there aren't vtubers who are just grifters but most of these girls getting mocked for "pretending" are embracing a kind of self-affirming roleplay. It's like putting on a fursuit and pretending to be a dog when real life becomes too stressful. And sure, that's cringe objectively, but it's how some people cope with life so I won't judge. Can't say the same about tiktok girls they're all whores just desperately seeking male attention tbqh.
>>781143While irony poisoning is bad and comes with it's own spooks, satire like
>>781141 is admirable since it points to the fossilized tendencies popular vtuber stuff has, which will let the community move forward from those.
Lilke she clearly enjoys vtubers if she has this much to complain about.
>>781159Man it's weird to see people try to make AI do stuff there's already much easier tools for. Like someone that only knows about hammers trying to do woodworking.
>>781158Normally I'd agree if you're criticizing something from within and trying to move the hobby forward but this girl doesn't seem to enjoy anything sincerely. Her entire tiktok feed is just aimlessly mocking things while making funny faces. Also shilling her fan discord while mocking parasocialism is just especially funny.
>>781141I don't like how she looks, but the voice and "humor" are spot on for vtubers because they are cringe
>>781143>muh zoomersMillennials acting like they’re not the same
>>781157This
>>781177>>muh zoomersshe is a zoomer tho
>>780688Yes, since ultimately it’s not about the actual child that’s at stake for them, as much as their own prejudiced conception of the child rooted in Victorian puritanical values, as well as their own hatred or disdain for youth sexuality.
To see what I mean, see pic attached
>>781577
Kys pedouyghur
>>781575This.
Society claims that childhood is the best stage of life, the only time where there’s absolute freedom.
Childhood is the most overregulated homogenized experience ever.
It would be great if it weren’t for adults getting pissy about new media or new slang or precocious interests
Genocide all pedos
This thread is really triggering my OCD
>>781660I take it that you think killing a child for their ethnicity is better than having sex with said child with the small chance of traumatising them, yes?
It would be one thing if you stopped at "You can't arrest people for porn with 2D characters that may or may not be kids", but you for some reason decided to throw "You can't consider pedophiles to be disgusting, that's hecking christcuck nazi spooks", "Pedophiles are only people who diddle children stop prosecuting those who only film kids and goon to child porn, you fucking authoritarian shartyfag" and then "Japan is so cultured even their pedos are chill and only take pantyshots of young girls" – how about you eact shit and shut up?
>>781927Remember this whenever you see any post stating morality is a spook
>>781741thats literally a retarded hypothetical with no basis in reality. in what occasion would i have to choose between murdering a child or raping them? literally name 1 situation
>>781930We have threads like red button va blue button thread or the “one hundred dollars a month vs one percent chance to win a million dollar” thread
>>781937which are interesting hypotheticals and not just someone pushing their paraphilia
>>781939They’re retarded hypotheses because they don’t have any base in reality and they’re pushing political biases
Good fuck vtubers.
>>781741>small chanceoh yeah sure its just a "small chance" alright bro but in all seriousness kys
>>781930>>781941Just say you are incapable of abstract thinking. No need to be such a moralfag over it, sheeesh.
Also, I know it’s hard for radfems to understand this, but not all heterosexual sex is rape, and the inability to explain why murder is better than rape is the hallmark of a bourgeois moralist.
>>781965I mean, you have to be absolutely detached from reality if you think a boy is going to be traumatised from a BJ, or a girl from having her bean being flicked.
>>781959Found you:
https://fstube.net/w/sqvrt4cMmaiA5uY2cuT5Kj >>782343>creating child abuse imagesare the abused children in the room with us right now?
>>782345Rope yourself pedo-fag
>>782342A girl? Absolutely, no matter who is doing it.
>>782345Its very hard to discuss things with libs because they group everything from microagressions to actual criminality into one category. This is similar to how it is hard to discuss racism with afro studies folks because they refer to white people rapping with the same word they use to refer to the George Floyd murder
>>782353>being anti-child abuse is liberalThe next socialist state will have child protection laws and pederasts like you will be shot
>>782375where's the child? why are you dodging the question? if it's child abuse then surely there has to be a victim, right? you wouldn't just equate a cartoon to real life child sexual abuse, right? surely that equivocation doesn't benefit anyone except child rapists, so I assume you wouldn't support that kinda thing if you're concerned for the wellbeing of children?
>>782375Why do you support bourgeois morality?
If you’re going to be a reactionary, might as well admit that it has nothing to do with actual children than your own puritanical image of what a child should be.
Besides, every society that arrests people for owning cartoons and pixels is a shithole. Bourgeois moralists like you is why most Britons have to use VPNs to access most sites now that the government has made it riskier for platforms with British users to operate.
>>782378>>782377I find sexualized depictions of children to be deeply disturbing, and I would want them to continue being banned. There is no moralism in my position, bourgeois or otherwise.
>>782381>I find sexualized depictions of children to be deeply disturbing, and I would want them to continue being banned.>There is no moralism in my positionthese two statements do not compute.
are you a pedophile that cannot tell the difference between children and a cartoon by any chance? do these depictions of completely fictional cartoons trigger your urge to molest real life children and that's why you need them banned to stop you from reoffending? is that what's going on?
>>782381>I want this banned because I find it ickyThat’s not based on material analysis, it’s literally based on personal vibes and your own totalitarian impulses.
This is just bourgeois moralism, pure and simple. All leftists know morality is just a spook.
>>782377>>782378>>782383>>782384>>782385You scumbags have to be feds or cia, no way any actual leftist would take these positions; it sounds more like that you’re coming up with excuses to justify your disgusting habits because you know they’re actually disgusting and that you should be killed
>>782387bro did you got lost on your way to reddit lol.
any political position formulated on moralism instead of dialectical materialism is simply not marxist. you are not a marxist. it is extremely easy to come up with a marxist stance on opposing pedophilia, but because you are not a marxist and just reacting to the impulses in your reactionary brain you will refuse to acknowledge the material difference between child abuse and cartoons, and marxists will make fun of you for it.
>>782387If we are feds, how come most of the bourgeois in the western Empire agrees with you, passing censorious laws like the Online Safety Act of 2023 (in the UK’s case) alongside copious amounts of age ID for NSFW content across websites despite no conclusive evidence that watching cartoons harms children anymore than playing GTA does?
Surely you must be aware of what the USSR’s AoC was, right?
>>782392>This standard proved difficult to apply in actual criminal cases because notwo doctors agreed on the indications of "sexual maturity". The threshold
was impossible to explain to the public (not that the Soviets much tried)
and at street level the popular view seems to have remained that first
menstruation was the undoubted signal of sexual maturity; there was also a
memory of the tsarist age of consent of 14 (the actual law had some
variations to this). In late Soviet jurisprudence the "sexual maturity"
standard was said only to apply to cases where the individual was between 14
and 18 - below that it was assumed they were sexually immature and above
that, mature.
Between 14-18 psued fuck off pedo
https://lists.h-net.org/cgi-bin/logbrowse.pl?trx=vx&list=H-Histsex&month=0512&week=c&msg=PE389RuOfiBLPmxysziTBg >>782397Simply finding it “pleasant” isn’t indicative of actual sexuality. The question is: Do you feel actual sexual arousal from either or both picture, or not?
If you are male and do feel sexually aroused by either pics, you’re a gay man as the subject (I.e., two men hugging) the stimuli is derived from is the same regardless of whether it’s drawn or not, depending on how realistic said drawing is.
>>782398>If you are male and do feel sexually aroused by either pics, you’re a gay man as the subject (I.e., two men hugging) the stimuli is derived from is the same regardless of whether it’s drawn or not, depending on how realistic said drawing is.bro your logic is fucking retarded lol
you cannot be gay unless you are attracted to real life human males. that is the definition of being gay. no matter what drawings you fap to, it doesn't change your physical attraction to humans. no matter how much guro or loli you fap to, it won't make you a serial killer or a child molester. no matter how many astolfo doujins you fap to, it won't make real life men attractive to you. the only time fiction will enhance your attraction to something in real life is if you already had that attraction and were suppressing it for whatever reason. this applies to all things from fictionalized violence to fictionalized child rape to fictionalized homosexuality. most people are not in the closet about their desires though, so it simply does not apply to them. they just momentarily adopt a fantasy for the sake of the fictionalized experience and then discard it when they are done. the entire point of art is to put the viewer in a position where they can suspend their connection to the real world and momentarily experience the artist's conception of a fictional world instead, not to project their real world self onto the art and go "wow this pedo/fag/etc just like me frfr" and turn it into their entire worldview. only narcissists do that.
some of you uyghas seriously need to touch grass. a cartoon will never ever be equivalent to a real human being just like a drawing of a dog will never be a dog.
>>782398Seems sort of beside the point no? The real issue isn't whether jerking off to loli is pedophilic (it is), but whether it should be illegal given that its not hurting anybody.
>>782400No they didn’t LOL. Stop coping you bourgeois moralist, not even the paper says there was an absolute set AoC, otherwise you wouldn’t use some range. Besides:
- it’s some random-ass professor’s word whose claim on sexual maturity being taken by Soviet courts as being 14-18 is uncited
- There’s no evidence sexual maturity couldn’t be used as a valid defense in Soviet court cases involving minors below the age of 13
Honestly, you grasping at straws is pathetic.
And hey, guess what? Cuba, the only communist country in the western hemisphere, has an AoC of 12. Are you going to side with the gusanos now because of that?
I accidentally watched Roots in school and got so absorbed in the story that I imagined myself as Kunta Kinte I guess I'm black now because I can't tell the difference between fiction and reality.
>>782410Yh, if it’s proven that access to Lolicon lowers child sexual offence rates, then banning it could actually be counterproductive. Here’s one such evidence:
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.htmlInteresting read, highly recommend it to learn more about the subject.
Do people think that any depiction of rape should be illegal as well?
>>782414reactionaries insist Japan's crime statistics are entirely fictional and their rape rate is 100,000x higher than indicated which is why we need to ban all things Japanese. you cannot reason with them using statistics because they didn't develop their views from a position of logic or materialism.
>>782381Well then just say this! You don't need to pretend that your opponents are literally Jimmy Saville. "I want this to be banned because i am personally repulsed by it" is a completely rational and understandable reason. We can then discuss the tradeoff between banning something a lot of people are disgusted by (which i do think is for a good reason) and individual free speech, whether there can be any compromise, etc. Its not fruitful when the discussion just revolve around name calling and death threats
>>782415unfortunately i've also seen people argue that, but I'm sure most of the anti loli women would cry and shid if you tried to take away their rape porn books
>>782419>We can then discuss the tradeoff between banning something a lot of people are disgusted by (which i do think is for a good reason)Do you use the trans flair just because you like the colours, or what?
>>782419>"I want this to be banned because i am personally repulsed by it" is a completely rational and understandable reason.uh…can we take a step back on calling this rational? wanting to ban something just because you personally dislike it and not because it damages society or harms anyone is a downright horrific way of engaging in politics.
like if 60% of Americans voted to ban red cars just because they don't like the color red, and you could be arrested and sent to jail for driving a red car just because of collective reaction, we would rightfully call it retarded.
>>782421You can apply it to anything really. Don't depict rape or incest because it might cause people to engage in it. Ban The Godfather because it glorifies organized crime. Ban schizo loner movies like Taxi Driver because it might cause people to go on violent rampages against society. It really is complete nonsense.
>>782397>Am I a gay man?uhh, yeah actually
turns out if you play female characters in video games and like dressing them up, you're basically a woman
>>782392most of the elites in the bourgeois western empire are pedophiles, you share the same sexual perversions as the baby-eating scumbags you pederast degenerate
>>782387>>782429If this is how you feel, never ever say morality is a spook again
>>782390These anti loli folk are the same ones who wanna allow convicts to have kids
>>782432>>782440I think you're confused because the people who say "morality is a spook" are the ones mocking those kinds of views. "loli = child abuse" people are all pedo-voting democrats that just got lost or found this site from /r/latestagecapitalism. They aren't Marxists so they don't call morality a spook. They are fueled entirely by a false sense of moral superiority over their perceived enemies that allows them to justify any and all acts of tyranny or injustice to sate their morality-god.
>>782412>And hey, guess what? Cuba, the only communist country in the western hemisphere, has an AoC of 12. Are you going to side with the gusanos now because of that?wrong again, as always - its 18.
also, the soviets understood consent for sex to be tied to marriage, which was of age of 18 for men and 16 for women, this was the social reality and no amount of pedo coping will change that (also kill yourself NOW)
>>782444Why is it younger for women?
>>782443Regardless, the general collective consensus is that this site thinks morality is a joke.
Yet they get pissy over some drawings
And a lot of self proclaimed marxists do take offense to loli.
They are also averse to the idea of having competency training for parenthood
Yet they want state power to ban loli
>>782447I assume it's because puberty start on average two years earlier for women?
>>782450I'm sorry newgene, but competency training for parenthood either cannot be enforced (do you temporarily strelisize everyone at birth lol?) , or WILL result in eugenics and other arbitrary nonsense depending on who made the test, who enforce it, and who has to give you the checkmark to allow you to breed
>>782409This.
Leftypol cares more about policing fiction than reality
Leftypol literally wants to grant convicts the right to procreate in prison
>>782454This rebuttal is nonsense
Should we ban drivers Ed then?
Should we ban food safety classes?
Why do you guys want to make parenthood into a privilege without any safeguards?
This obsession with “eugenics” is just petulance.
>>782454>offering parental training is eugenics
>suggesting that male fetuses need to die to keep balance for heterosexual prospects isn’tLeftypol logic in a nutshell
>>782451feel free to provide your own source showing its 12 faggot
>>782460I'm not engaged in your stupid argument about age of consent laws because this thread has nothing to do with age of consent. It's about cartoons you fucking closeted pedo. Stop trying to equivocate it to real child sexual exploitation.
>>782454Competency training for parents as in, there will be mandatory life skill training in secondary school
Kids will learn how to change diapers, how to cook, how to clean, how to balance checkbooks, etc
Current year academia is averse to technical skills for some weird reason
>>782464>>782459>>782457So who am I supposed to be talking to ? Do you have a stroke and switch personality ?
Also if it's just including it in general education then just say that instead of baiting and comparing it to a drivers license you moron (also still not enforceable since people can just forget what they learned in school or just don't give a shit in the first place)
>>782454Well newgene used to be tingnoter/rapetheearth. Her gimmick is to go into threads and derail by pretending everyone is the same person.
>>782493Dude, you are talking to a bunch of pro-pedophilia raiders, can't you see? People are literally spamming 'MAP' advocacy shit ITT and in other threads right now. You are currently engaging with what in their circle is in a very common argumentative and rhetorical strategy to play off the 'epidemic of child abuse of incompetent parents.' This obsession with an epidemic child abuse of non-pedophilic origin or more violent child abuse is basically a way for them rationalize their own shit away and project it onto an other.
>>782472>>782500>Dude, you are talking to a bunch of pro-pedophilia raiders, can't you see? People are literally spamming 'MAP' advocacy shit ITTwhat are u talking about, for real I'm so confused
Pedophiles go to the Gulag.
>>782342 >muh abstract thinking!<U-ur moralfags! Fuck off back to GET you, and take your cherrypicked bad faith infographic with you, you pseudointellectual incel ancap .
>a boy is going to be traumatised from a BJ, or a girl from having her bean being flicked. What an amazing oversimplification.
>>781741 >Hey it's not that bad! At least I'm not killing them! <Your honor while I may have kept slaves in chains and abused them inhumanely that's nothing compared to Hitler, so its fine! Take off that christ-flag.
>>782493Why are you hostile to parental training?
Also my idea of parental training is more hands on, not merely just rote.
>>782508This place is schizo
They’ve been brain fried from whining about sexlessness
>>782493Why do treat parenthood as being above critique or standardization?
Why does this place advocate for state intervention for getting laid but oppose it for ensuring proper child rearing?
>>782494The fact you assume newgene is someone else is quite the projection
>>782409Here's my challenge to all you lolifags
I want you to go out into public and explain this shit. Tell someone, anyone, tell a huntred people that you watch, read /etc. media depicting underage girl in lewd or outright pornographic content. What do you think the reaction will be?
Just because real child-abuse is worse doesn't make fantasizing about it better you stupid retards.
>>782519>I can't provide an actual argument for why this thing is bad>Just go out in public and talk about it and the fact you'll be ostracized means I'm rightactual fascist brain lol
This is why individualism needs to be curb stomped
imagine if instead of writing The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx was just like "just go outside and talk to people about eating the rich, I refuse to elaborate any further"
actually that sounds kinda based. but your'e still a stupid faggot.
>>782519Why don’t you do the same for furry?
Or better yet, why don’t you go out in public saying why “morality is a spook”?
>>782520This
Anon just doesn’t like loli and wants to formalize his dislike
Yet he has no problem with gore in video games
>>782520> Just because real child-abuse is worse doesn't make fantasizing about it better you stupid retards.I could say the same for this website making rape jokes and encouraging murder of liberals and right wingers
Or even people suggesting killing off male fetuses
>>782521I’m starting to think “individualism” is just a slur for “opinions I don’t like” which is ironically individualism
>>782517>being above critique or standardizationnot the first one,but the second inherently imply someone will decide what is allowed,what is correct,and who is allowed to do it.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea just for that,but you probably have a brain and can see where the abuse can come from (just like you were "abused" by giving your ass voluntarily to the old unshaven gay man you're still butthurt to this day about and blame parenting for)
>why does this place [personal pet peeve]every time you use whataboutism about this board,you eradicate a kitten from existence,nobody should and will take it seriously,and it is 100% a goomba fallacy,and yet YOU KEEP DOING IT.
>>782508You seem to be kind of ignorant on this topic but let me educate you, in short a huge chunk of pedos unironically think that they are part of the 'good guys' and that what they are doing or planning on doing 'doesn't hurt anybody' and that the real child abusers actually are 'those deadbeat, do-nothing parents' or 'the violent pedos' and that 'the children would be better of with me and anyway, non-violent pedos like me who doesn't harm anyone'. They basically try to create this distinction to rationalize or relativize. That's why you seem them constantly virtue signaling on children's welfare shit, same why a closeted Republican goes another homophobic rant. Don't fall for it.
>>782531Nice screed but please explain how being a pedophile (ie attracted to children) makes you a bad person in any way
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>782534I was explicitly talking about pedos that engage in MAP-advocacy, like the people ITT.
>>782529> just like you were "abused" by giving your ass voluntarily to the old unshaven gay man you're still butthurt to this day about and blame parenting forIsn’t that what you guys do?
Whine about banging ugly chicks and blame parents for coddling women?
>>782531Oh I get what you're saying now.
Yeah ok kill anyone that sexually abuses children or tries to justify it or excuse it in any way. But leave my loli hentai alone. Thank you.
>>782529> every time you use whataboutism about this board,you eradicate a kitten from existence,nobody should and will take it seriously,and it is 100% a goomba fallacy,and yet YOU KEEP DOING IT.This board whines about “misogyny” and “racism” for anything and everything.
>If you implement this policy, this is racism because one racial group won’t get all the benefits for being not white >>782542Crazy how you don't even have any argument or a funny comeback. It's just endless posts in a row of you whining that the meanie leftypol people call you a racist and misogynist for supporting policies that disproportionately attack racial minority groups and women. At least poltards own up to their racism and don't try to shroud it in faux-progressive utilitarianism like a little worm.
>>782545You’re still claiming this?
Wow
Once again, Leftypol showing that they’re an echo chamber
>>782518She has a very distinct writing style. Pointing out her own projection isn't in itself projection. That's recursive.
>>782557don't throw out random accusations I'm not a pedo nor have I engaged in any kind of pedo normalization lol. I was just asking for them to elaborate.
I do think the art aspect is relevant to the discussion though. the fact it's loli ART is important to the free speech/privacy debate since no one is being victimized and it's just a private individual asserting their right to artistic expression by commissioning drawings of anime lolis getting fucked by horses and posting it to their R18-locked social media feed for other adults to enjoy. the fact the government considers this dangerous enough to assign a bunch of police officers to track down and arrest this person and then push it through the court system is a fucking joke when they could be committing these resources arresting Prince Andrew.
>>782558You quoted the wrong post, I didn't accuse you of pro-pedophilia or whatever. I did say you helped derail the thread though.
>>782558>I do think the art aspect is relevant to the discussion though.It's only tangentally relevant, and when a tangent is much easier to discuss than the core, it eclipses the core discussion. This is why people write essays on personal websites, so tangents can be in a seperate tab.
>>782445>>782444>Muh 18 cuz Hollywood told me so>Source is a screen of some random ass blog with no credentialsYou do realise the Cuban penal code is publicly accessible, or are you such a bad liar that you have to pretend that it doesn’t exist? Like, why do you insist to have this dumb ideological crusade because you’re such a misandrist?
Here (see section 400):
https://www.gacetaoficial.gob.cu/sites/default/files/goc-2022-o93_0_0.pdfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_in_North_AmericaBourgeois moralistic liars like you is why Leftypol is a shithole.
>>782569LOL green flag idiot’s source is some lying grifting NGO to boot. No wonder it feels so comfortable spreading misinformation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECPAT >>782520>>782524>Why don’t you do the same for furry?I'm not a furry though, faggot.
>why don’t you go out in public saying why “morality is a spook”? Because I'm not a retarded Stirner-faggot. Not everyone replying to you is the same person, retard.
>I must be right because I'm oppressed! <Being called a paedo for my lolishit is fascism!LOL, cope.
>>782500>Muh rationalisationCope. Why do you want to puss out of a debate? Too scared to back up your position with actual logic, so you’ve got no choice but to employ thought-terminating cliches for it?
Yawn, all the anti-loli moralfags here remind me of the groypers who were calling for a police state over Charlie Kirk memes right after his death. Yes, you read that right, the narcissists here who want a surveillance state to jail people for simply owning cartoons are no different than the chuds that wanted everybody who made fun of Kirk instead of lionising him as a saint to be imprisoned and for Trump to turn America into a full-blown fascist dictatorship.
>>782569You posted the penal code in spanish because you though nobody would try to translate the sections regarding "menores" didn't you GETfag?
Cuba
▪ Age of Child: Under 16 years of age
Cuban Penal Code
Art. 16: Criminal responsibility is required of the natural person from the age of 16 at the time
of committing the punishable act.
▪ Age of Consent: 16 years of age
Cuban Penal Code
Art. 305 - Statuatory Rape
Whosoever has sexual intercourse with a single woman over 12 years of age and under
16, using abuse of authority or deception, shall be subject to a punishment of
deprivation of freedom of from three months to one year.
▪ Age of Marriage: 18 years of age (with parental consent, boys -16 years and girls – 14
years)
Cuban Family Code
Art. 3
The female and male over 18 years of age are authorized to formalize
marriage. Consequently, minors under 18 years of age are not authorized to formalize
the marriage.
Notwithstanding the provisions of the preceding paragraph, exceptionally, and for
justified reasons, minors under the age of 18 may be granted authorization to formalize
the marriage, provided that the female is at least 14 years old and the Male 16 years
old, also compliments.
This exceptional authorization may be granted:
1) The father and mother jointly, or one of them if the other has died or is deprived of
parental authority;
2) the adopter(s) when the child has been adopted;
3) the guardian, if the minor is subject to guardianship;
4) the maternal or paternal grandparents, indistinctly, in the absence of the previous
ones, preferring those who live in the same domicile with the minor;
5) only one of the authorized, when the other who must give it together with him is
prevented from doing so;
>>782343you are aware you are on imageboard sir?
>>782574LOL nice copypasta. Too bad nowhere does it mention in the ACTUAL penal code that Cuba’s age of consent is 16. Again, why are you lying this bad just to engage in make-believe to reify your illogical and moralistic dogma?
Everyone can see that the age of consent is 12. Otherwise why would it be mentioned that age? Besides, it’s only “statutory rape” if a formal guardian files a complaint and if the court makes a conviction upon it, which usually requires a high standard of evidence for deception or abuse of authority. Here, from Wikipedia (which is probably more reliable than you moralfags):
> The effective age of consent in Cuba is 12. The Código Penal de Cuba of 2022 provides that laws of estupro (statutory rape) apply to minors over 12 (but under 16) only if charges are filed by their guardian, and such charges may be dropped before or during the trial. This entire thread is filled with absolutely vile cope, so I'm just going to address this wholesale in as objective a manner as possible:
The root of the problem is loli is normalizing sexualized children. Loli is inherently a sexual thing The point was never about "hurting" fictional characters but about how the people who view and "enjoy" such content are essentially escaping into a paedo fantasy. Saying "at least it's better than actual CP" is a hilariously shit argument. Do you want a medal for being a decent human being and not actually committing crime?
"Loli" is sexual. We don't call, for example, Yugi Muto a "shota". OFC liking a young female character doesn't in and of itself make you a pedophile. But there's a difference, for instance, between calling Akko a "young girl" and a "loli". One of these things is derived from a form of child pornography, itself etymologically traced back to a book about a pedophile. Sexual attraction is a nonnegotiable component of pedophilia; it's the defining component.
>Meaning of LoliconThe meaning of ロリコン and 小児愛 is synonymous with pedophile in Japanese dictionaries or blogs. 小児愛 is the psychological term for ロリコン. The term itself originates from Lolita Complex name for the book Lolita about a paedophile's attraction to his underage step-daughter.
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/bcxndd/if_pedophilia_is_a_mental_illness_why_isnt_there/ Inb4 "Puberty" and history
1) Societal development and 'civilization' has materially changed things which made sexual maturity and engagement pushed later and later. Thus even by the time of the Roman Empire, girls younger than 14 were not typically involved in real sex even if the upper class engaged in debauchery. The only reason it wasn't higher was because people's life-spans were too short, so baby-making took priority over actually caring for yourself.
2) Paleolithic girls were not the same as modern humans, they had to be ready to be able to have children early because there was a high mortality rate and survivability required earlier reproduction, this placed a lot of stress on females of the time and it is self-evident in their remains. People were essentially disregarded as human beings and just survived the best they could.
3) The beginning of puberty and technical sexual readiness is early, hell in Mexico a literal 9 year old gave birth meaning at age 8 she was sexually able to have kids, but the difference is that while physically they may be able to, they are not ready to do so or endure mentally. Children cannot consent because they do not have the sufficient mental faculties to register things an adult can, that is why child abuse is under-reported, because most children don't know that they are being abused, pic related.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/02/06/mexico-9-year-old-girl-gives-birth/1897407/
>Muh morals are subjectiveEven accepting this, Ethics are not. It is unethical to take advantage of another human being that is incapable of properly understanding the ramifications of what sex is. They may claim to consent and say they understand, but this is the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action. Kids are fundamentally incapable on a psychological and neurological level. They may cope and adapt, but that has lasting traumas and issues, something seen well in children that grow up during wartime.
The social effect, both individually - conditioning and rewarding the brain from sexualizing the child form - and social - In normalizing the idea of pedophilia by both propagating pedophilia and defending their access to child pornography - endangers children, and has a detrimental effect socio-economically (eg economic damages brought about by psychological and mental/emotional harm from molestation, which are bared by the entire immediate families & likely friends/descendants of a victim). Many of the worlds worst paedophiles, rapists and serial killers were mentally scarred by things like seeing or experiencing sexual acts and abuse. The effect isn't even always immediate;
>Spataro J. writes: "Similar to the general population, CSA victims who died as a result of self-harm were predominantly aged in their 30s at time of death. Most had contact with the public mental health system and half were recorded as being diagnosed with an anxiety disorder. Our data highlight that CSA victims are at increased risk of suicide and accidental fatal drug overdose. CSA is a risk factor that mediates suicide and fatal overdose." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20170453/ An example of pedophilic influence in Japanese media is Enjo kōsai (Asian sugar-dating) where often high-school girls will essentially sell themselves as dates for richer older men. Not only have media depictions made it explode in popularity but also spread to other countries like Taiwan, where romanticized depictions influenced teens to partake as a way of making money, without understanding the consequences and dangers.
Japan has seriously cracked down on lolicon recently because they have 3rd graders with STDs and parents renting out their daughters for sex. From 1999 to 2012, Child abuse in Japan has increased by 5-7 times. That's a significant jump in a short amount of time if you ask me. The rates of sexual abuse among high-schoolers and elementary kids are increasing in around the same rates, But for other forms of abuse (while both ages are still increasing) elementary kids are rising at a faster and more extreme rate.
https://www.Japantoday.Com/category/crime/view/saga-woman-arrested-for-forcing-daughters-into-prostitutionhttps://www.Wsj.Com/articles/SB844189550290273000https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-07-11/1st-person-arrested-for-cg-child-pornography-in-japanhttps://www.japanator.com/fffuuu-tokyo-s-anti-loli-bill-passes-in-commitee-17722.phtml&mainnav=&trackhttps://www.ipsnews.net/2003/03/japan-officials-clamping-down-on-underage-sex-offered-on-line/https://www.japansubculture.com/underage-japanese-girls-learning-to-sell-themselves-online/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/backstories/1226/ https://happymag.tv/a-disturbing-number-of-child-sex-dolls-have-been-intercepted-by-australian-border-force/ https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00704/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/57eaaf23-0cef-48c8-961f-41f2563b38aa
>"It's just a drawing" Lazy fucking argument. If a cartoon or drawing depicts children sexually, it is cartoon child porn. Its fetishizing a depiction of something that IS real. It doesn't matter if they're "not real" or "ackthually a 500 year old vampire". It tries to normalize the idea of child sexualization. Real or drawn is not the point and never was. Neither are we debating whether lolicon should be legal or illegal. Even if you claim lolicon is just fictional art, art by definition is a representation of something. What does lolicon represent as art? It represents the sexualization of prepubescent children and minors.
>Inb4 that one 'study' with erectile response Chikotilo was notable for having erectile dysfunction when aroused so it is just as likely in any other such candidate. Furthermore a limit in sample size and extraneous factors (such as nerves, hormonal imbalance, etc.) are also not taken into account.
>Inb4 "loli hentai is harmless/can be used to cope with urges" Paedophiles usually have low self-esteem, poor social skills, and much higher propensity to develop cognitive distortions and Antisocial Personality Disorder. One can argue that lolicon pics may be useful in the sense that it satisfies urges of paedophiles without actual children coming to harm, but this won't work for everyone. Paedophilia can & must be treated in order to prevent the patient from harming children and further deteriorating their mental health.
We can't consider lolicon a serious way to help/prevent paedophilia because it only reinforces the notion that their condition is normal, just as we wouldn't validate a paranoid schizophrenic's delusions. Pedophilia, as all mental disorders, makes a mess of your life, left untreated (in this case we're talking about ASPD-like traits such as lack of concern for others and inability to form relationships with people, not to mention difficulty/inability to have a satisfying sex life).
>inb4 pedophilia/lolicon can't/don't need to be treatedhttps://web.archive.org/web/20170830022021/http://www.unafei.or.jp/english/pdf/RS_No72/No72_12VE_Marshall.pdfThere's another publication titled "Cognitive Behavioural Treatment of Sexual Offenders" that is more in-depth but I can't find it.
Paedophilia is a paraphilia (a fetish) and is classified as a mental disorder on the grounds that it causes harm to the psyche of the affected person who, by extension becomes dangerous to others. Being a 'lolicon' or consuming that content to cope, reinforces the notion that their condition is normal and they continue to ignore the fact that they suffer from a mental disorder and that they must seek help. This is like telling a paranoid schizophrenic that their delusions are true, it only adds to the problem instead of helping, even if the short-term results seem fine.
>https://prospect.org/article/should-rape-porn-be-banned>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/05/27/pornography-is-more-than-just-sexual-fantasy-its-cultural-violence/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ecea036794ee >https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2015/mar/06/virtual-reality-paedophilia-not-harmless-victimlessMoreover in Japan they have places where men can hire petite girls barely of age to play in fantasies that are essentially every other loli-hentai about fucking under-age schoolgirls.
Such fantasies are mentally unhealthy, this is the same shit that made 50 Shades of Grey so popular despite it being pure sewage.
>https://elkballet.wordpress.com/2010/09/29/rape-porn-is-never-ok/TL;DR: If you're just into stylistically cute characters, whatever. It's a little weird but being weird isn't terrible.
If you sexualize said stylistically cute and childlike characters, or use images of characters resembling children as pornography, you are a closet (or not so closet) pedo and you are mentally ill. Period.
>>782584I like how you wrote this huge wall of text and/or stole it from reddit and cited all these various tabloid media sources etc but then when it comes to the one study that matters, "does loli hentai cause increased rates of victimization?" you come up short and just resort to "pedos need real treatment stop letting them cope"
really betraying whatever point you're trying to make. there is no effective clinical treatment for pedophilia that doesn't drastically reduce quality of life for the pedophile(chemical castration etc). if loli is what they need to lead a happy rape-free life then so be it. not gonna engage with your article spam since i don't care about sensationalist tabloid slop.
>>782409By the same logic, fapping to a pic of real men fucking each other in the ass doesn’t make you gay since what you’re fapping to is merely a picture.
Arousal is clearly dependent upon realism, as proven by the evolution of Lolicon, yaoi and hentai in general as media. It itches the same scratch, and thus psychological substitution is clearly indicated. All you are left with is a mental split (good Lolicon vs bad Pedo) based upon a crude genetic fallacy, namely an appeal to fiction: "We only idolize fictional children, therefore the idea that we are attracted to children is in the same sense, fiction".
As for your other “appeal to fiction”:
Accepting that as a premise, then why do Lolicons prefer "stylized" children over "stylized" adults, or indeed, "stylized" children over "stylized" pot plants? We can only conclude classical pedophilia/hebephilia or alternatively some kind of deviance fetishism in the person who finds this material arousing.
And your epistemological fallacy couldn’t go unnoticed:
It also betrays what we always suspected - that the pattern of argumentation is rooted in a both a fear of negative consequences and general sociopolitical expedience.
You “ironic Lolicon” uyghas need to pick better talking points, because your respectability politics is getting dumber and dumber. There’s nothing wrong with being a pedophile who pirate Lolicon to soothe their desires for cathartic purposes and live a law-abiding life. So why the insistence on making a hard distinction between pedophiles and “lolicons” in ways that just show a need to save face as opposed to any actual intellectual honesty?
Ultimately, the question of whether it’s pedophilic or not (it is pedophilic, btw) is irrelevant to the question as to whether it causes harm or not. Porn in general doesn’t cause harm, hence why it got legalised as free speech, at least in the USA. Case closed.
Anything deviating from harm prevention amounts to idealism and bourgeois moralism.
>>782575>Ok BoomerHere, in their natural habitat of a chinese basket-weaving forum we hear the cry of the loser pedocel, angrily reacting to being called out.
>>782577>copy pastaYou don't even know what that means, do you?
>Everyone can see that the age of consent is 12. You have to be fucking trolling.
>it’s only “statutory rape” if a formal guardian files a complaint This is a "if a tree falls in the woods" question. You do realize that a large proportion of rape is underreported right?
>The effective age of consent in Cuba is 12. <wikipediaYou're a retard that doesn't actually read your own citations.
>Article 400. Anyone who has sexual relations with another person over twelve and under eighteen years of age, using abuse of authority or deception, shall be subject to imprisonment for one to three years or a fine of three hundred to one thousand units, or both. AND>Article 408.1. In cases of sexual assault, sexual abuse, and incest, the following is required for prosecution:>1. A complaint must be filed by the aggrieved person, their legal representative, their spouse or partner, ascendants, siblings, or any person who has them under their guardianship and care.>2. In cases that have become public knowledge, are a consequence of gender-based violence or domestic violence, or it is proven that those authorized to file the complaint have their will constrained by any illegitimate relationship of power exercised by the perpetrator, any person may file the complaint.>3. The prosecutor may file the complaint when the social or state interest is affected, the victim or injured party is incapacitated from exercising their rights, or the victim is a minor under eighteen years of age who lacks a legal representative, or the interests of the victim and their legal representative are in conflict.>4. In the crime of statutory rape, proceedings are only initiated upon complaint by the legal representative of theaggrieved person; however, if the complainant withdraws their complaint, in writing and expressly before the oral trial or verbally and recording this in the minutes during its
celebration, the proceedings are dismissed.
>>782584>Moreover in Japan they have places where men can hire petite girls barely of age to play in fantasies that are essentially every other loli-hentai about fucking under-age schoolgirls.You're complaining about adult men hiring adult women to engage in an adult sexual act between two consenting adults? And somehow this is supposed to make people upset? Who gives a fuck lol.
>>782591>retarded faggot reposts the same tired lolicon defense image without addressing any of the argument or sources. 1) Japan's economy and repressed culture is, for a major part, the reason rapes are not high in occurrence. Instead the population suffers in other ways, for example people marrying vocaloids and body-pillows, with many males admitting that their first sexual encounters were their mothers etc. etc.
2) japan has literal place where you can hire 16 year old consorts and have them dress as schoolgirls, clearly an influence of anime fetishizations of such underage erotica.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/57eaaf23-0cef-48c8-961f-41f2563b38aa3) Japan has a far higher HDI, the highest in the world in fact, while Britain is notorious for its poor living conditions even compared to the rest of Europe.
>>782594they're such freaks lol.
>>782595>Instead the population suffers in other ways, for example people marrying vocaloids and body-pillows,sorry but are you saying that is worse than raping children to cope like in the west? and you're calling us the pedophiles?
>>782598>This isn't a case of a man and woman on equal terms having a relationship.a thing that has literally never happened since every relationship has some kind of power dynamic
>>782597> you saying that is worse than raping children Where did I say that you absolute retard. I'm stating that sexual repression in Japan has an impact on actual crime statistics but that its still a bad situation.
>>782557NTA but why do you guys keep complaining about GETchanners?
I’ve been on that site and I never see any advocacy for pedophilia at all.
Plus they keep to themselves and are averse to advertising their space and are leery of newcomers.
>>782600>I'm stating that sexual repression in Japan has an impact on actual crime statistics but that its still a bad situation.so like i just said you're saying that japanese sexual culture where 10x less kids are raped is worse than western?
>>782599>a thing that has literally never happened Ok liberal
>>782601Because GETchan was always hope to lolicons and pedos. There was literally a pedo manifesto posted to that site at one point and people were banned for calling it out. Maybe shit has changed there, I haven't been there ever since they started that pedoshit. They also had plenty of threads on pedos and lolicons and "MAP"
the weird western liberal obsession with treating japan as this exotic land of weird fetishes and debauchery is just really tired and played out at this point.
i think even normies are bored of how much mainstream journalists are obsessed with sensationalizing anime/hentai while refusing to report on the actual massive child sexual abuse going on in the west. like some angloid uygha really thought it would be a wise use of their time to write an article on japanese sex dolls people roleplaying with prostitutes while the US president and british crown are literal pedophiles lol.
>>782598><ignores the specific articles and statements of these people being 16 and under, usually high-school girls. you said in your post they're adults
<Moreover in Japan they have places where men can hire petite girls barely of agebut to actually address it, Japan cracks down fairly hard on underage prostitution these days it's not the 00's anymore. most of the prostitutes doing JK cosplay for sex are adult women. you can buy their dvd's on literally any mainstream japanese porn distribution website and they do not look like kids bro. it's like seeing the exaggerated american schoolgirl fetish in porn and thinking that's indicative of real life.
anyway you should go outside and fight pedophiles irl instead of crying about cartoons. probably a much better use of your time if you care about children.
>>782584> The root of the problem is loli is normalizing sexualized children. Loli is inherently a sexual thing The point was never about "hurting" fictional characters but about how the people who view and "enjoy" such content are essentially escaping into a paedo fantasy. Saying "at least it's better than actual CP" is a hilariously shit argument. Do you want a medal for being a decent human being and not actually committing crime? This is such a shit argument.
Loli is not encouraging or the same as pedophilia
To claim so would be to also say violent movies encourage school shootings or general juvenile delinquency.
Or that furry porn encourages bestiality.
Just admit that you don’t like loli and are bringing CSAM into it to justify your opinion.
>>782602>so like I just saidJust because you repeat a lie and deliberately misconstrue what I say doesn't make it true honey.
Also you prove you're a speedreader that ignores uncomfortable facts that CSA in japan has risen over 5 times between 1999 and 2012?
>>782584> Lazy fucking argument. If a cartoon or drawing depicts children sexually, it is cartoon child porn. Its fetishizing a depiction of something that IS real. It doesn't matter if they're "not real" or "ackthually a 500 year old vampire". It tries to normalize the idea of child sexualization. Real or drawn is not the point and never was. Neither are we debating whether lolicon should be legal or illegal. Even if you claim lolicon is just fictional art, art by definition is a representation of something. What does lolicon represent as art? It represents the sexualization of prepubescent children and minors. Then you should advocate to ban violent video games like GTA V or Manhunt because they encourages sociopathy
>>782609>Just because you repeat a lie and deliberately misconstrue what I say doesn't make it true honey. that's what you've been doing this whole time tho. you haven't actually provided proof that loli is statistically linked to crimes against children. you just posted a bunch of articles about japan's icky culture which happens to have 10x lower sexual abuse rates and cite the ickyness of their culture as proof that we should ban loli or something. please come up with a coherent, materialist explanation beyond your weird hangups,
>>782607>Loli is not encouraging or the same as pedophiliaOh how proud you can be that you only fantasize about fictional cp. Where should I pin the medal?
>violent movies encourage school shootings or general juvenile delinquency. Yes actually, depending on the context.
There are plenty of studies indicating that VIOLENCE based video-games can provoke aggressive and erratic behaviour. Nobody claims Mario killing Bowser make people violent, they talk about Call of Duty 3 and other desensitizing rubbish like that. I still remember that one kid who decided to try out GTA in real life. Lucky he was a kid and the cops didn't shoootonsight him.
Every article speaking about video games and violence (whether defending video-gmaes or not) refer to First person shooters like CoD where you have human enemies that you have to murder the fuck out of to win. It helps create the same deluded mindset as /pol/'s "humans vs Orcs" view on the world. If violent depictions weren't effective why would the CIA spend so much time and money producing garbage movies like Rambo II & III, Red Dawn and other such bullshit? If media didn't affect people, they wouldn't fucking bother it. Hell that was the entire point of They Live's glasses allegory.
- Craig A. Anderson and Wayne A. Warburton, “The Impact of Violent Video Games: An Overview,” Growing Up Fast and Furious, 2012
- Craig A. Anderson and Brad J. Bushman, “Effects of Violent Video Games on Aggressive Behavior, Aggressive Cognition, Aggressive Affect, Physiological Arousal, and Prosocial Behavior: A Meta-Analytic Review of the Scientific Literature,” Psychological Science, Sep. 2001
- American Academy of Pediatrics, “Joint Statement on the Impact of Entertainment Violence on Children Congressional Public Health Summit,” AAP website, July 26, 2000
- Mike Jaccarino, “‘Training Simulation:’ Mass Killers Often Share Obsession with Violent Video Games,” foxnews.com, Sep. 12, 2013
- Tracy Dietz, “An Examination of Violence and Gender Role Portrayals in Video Games: Implications for Gender Socialization and Aggressive Behavior,” Sex Roles, 1998
- https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-changing-culture/201212/yes-violent-video-games-do-cause-aggression
- Also link to the kid I was talking about: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2016/11/30/an-11-year-old-played-grand-theft-auto-then-led-cops-on-a-high-speed-chase-in-the-family-car/
- https://www.geek.com/games/new-study-links-video-games-to-brain-damage-1711681/
- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/08/07/playing-shooter-video-games-damages-brain-study-suggests/
- https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/get-psyched/201201/do-violent-video-games-increase-aggression
>>782584If you wanna claim that loli encourages pedophilia, the you may as well ban S&M and rape porn and incest porn
>>782591Unsurprising since these conservative cowards who champion bourgeois moralism at a time when the west is becoming increasingly censorious and looking for new spooks to justify state repression are manufacturing consent and consensus for said repression, especially against those who protest for Palestine and against Trump/ICE.
After all, it’s easy to game conservatives’ prudishness and natural predisposition to disgust. That’s how TERFs got their way with tradcon-type chuds despite TERFism being just Anglo female middle-to-upper class idpol.
As I see it, many of these cowards never really came to their current opinion from a place of logic and material analysis, as much as from a position of mysticism and moralism. Insofar that they use data, it’s often less about seeing the truth as much as being merely engaging in confirmation bias for their puritanical beliefs. An example is the term “sexualisation”, which presumes that sexuality is all-corrupting and harmful, in itself an idealistic view since the term itself is rooted in purity culture.
Basically, it wouldn’t matter for these cowards that Lolicon might be useful to lower sex offence rates since children’s wellbeing isn’t their main focus, as much as protecting a bourgeois conception of the mythical “innocent child”. Hence why they scorn at you whenever you show data that proves Lolicon and porn in general has no casual effect on offence rates, such as this:
http://scireview.de/sexualverbrechen.html >>782612>all that article spamso you think we should ban violent video games because kids might copy them?
>If violent depictions weren't effective why would the CIA spend so much time and money producing garbage movies like Rambo II & III, Red Dawn and other such bullshit?because those movies specifically glorify American imperialist violence, not violence as a whole, you retard.
>>782612Respect for not being a total hypocrite, you're a totally unrepentant puritan
>>782613The UK has in fact also banned incest porn lol
>>782612You’re generalizing all loli as CP
Most loli is cartoonish and don’t use any references to actual prepubescent human proportions
Also, those examples you listed about kids acting out fantasies from GTA V are outliers
Also, the myth that school shooters love violent video games is being revamped.
>>782615This.
Violent movies that are backed by feds are about imperialism not the violence itself.
>>782617and australia banned women with small breasts from appearing naked anywhere and they can be arrested for CSAM if their ex publicizes their nudes and their boobs are too small.
we live in a world still grappling with puritanism in the angloid sphere. we need to stamp these people out once and for all. they're a fucking plague that will feel revulsion from anything and everything and turn it into everyone else's problem.
>>782619Unfortunately I don't think anything can really be done, there's nobody out there who will be brave enough to stand up for sexual freedom and risk being called a nonce and murdered by some chud, we can't even stop selling weapons to Israel or legalise weed so I think the chance of legalising loli is pretty dismal.
Even once the older generations die off, 90% of younger women still agree with banning anything "creepy" and male coded
>>782614TERFs are the female counterpart of tradcons.
Like you said most of them are WASP females from upper/middle class
Feminism always was reactionary in its origins.
It’s the prodigal daughter of patriarchy
>> 782619The problem is a lot of ethnic minorities are adapting Anglo style morals.
The moral obsession with youthfulness, criminalizing young people for being present in worldly affairs outside of academia and family.
>>782620The irony is, the older generations were more sexually diverse.
It’s the post boomer generations (Anyone born after the early 1980s) that are easily spooked
So your definition of “young woman being creeps out by anything male coded” will extend to people in their thirties and forties.
Millennials and Gen Z are advocating the brain development theory to socio-sexually infantilize young adults.
They think any young adult dating five years their senior or junior is “pedophilia”.
They promote bashfulness/awkwardness as cute and authentic.
>>782610>Then you should advocate to ban violent video games like GTA V or Manhunt because they encourages sociopathyYes
>>782611>that's what you've been doing this whole time tho Projection.
>you haven't actually provided proof You haven't provided an argument
> just posted a bunch of articles about japan's icky culture No, I made an argument, covering base points. Lolicon is by etymology and definition paedophilia. It being fictional changes nothing. The fact of the matter is that media influences people, sexual media included. Pornography especially given how it influences dopamine.
>have 10x lower sexual abuse rates 1) Your statistics are outdated and also poorly cited
2) It compares two countries of different socio-economic positions including the fact that it does not take into account the lack of immigration to Japan compared to Britain which skews population statistics.
So on and so forth. Your entire argument is shit.
>>782615 >Article spamIf I posted a single source you would whine about there being not enough sources. Fuck off
>>782617Actual incest is banned almost everywhere and most incest porn is heavily regulated even in the USA with most sites specifying "Step"-mom/brother/son/etc. because of legal issues. Patreon and OF ToS outright bans incest too.
>>782618You’re generalizing all loli as CP
Because the term is inherently tied to Cp
>Most loli is cartoonish Most loli is actually quite accurate to neotenous body forms, in fact MANY lolicon artists have been using real kids as reference models. With AI genning its gotten worse. Having an animu face slapped onto a realistic body doesn't make it better.
>the myth that school shooters love violent video games is being revamped. I provided sources, including actual studies and literature from a wide range of time. Fact is, violent shootings have only increased and while I don't think video-games are the only reason, I think it is an influence to normalize it.
>Violent movies that are backed by feds are about imperialism You're kinda proving my point, the movies encourage people to go join up and kill gommies/towel-heads/chinks or whatever ethno-racial stereotype is given. It makes it cool and normal. There are countries with higher per capita gun availability than the USA, but have much lower gun violence, because of the culture of guns and violence being much different.
>>782614 Good to see you also ignored everything I posted and cherrypicked some "spooks" to whinge about.
Anyway my point has been made, and all you lot have done is out yourselves. Bye bye Epstein wannabes.
>>782613 1) I addressed this as well.
2) You're deflecting. Make an argument or piss off.
>>782593>Still hasn’t proven me wrong>Still yells at me like a rabid dogOk boomer, we get it. You hate sex. Just admit it you moronic douchebag.
>large proportion of rape is underreported right?Maybe in Africa, west and South Asia considering how most states there are in near civil war-state or already in one (like Burkina Faso), but everywhere else is a cope since it’s based on an unproven assumption + in western countries like Cuba, over-reporting is more likely to be an issue than underreporting since reporting rape isn’t deemed shameful.
That is, if you follow logic as opposed to radlibs’ fantasies.
>>782603>liberal calls leftists liberalLOL Go back to Reddit or X’itter you dumbass. It’s clear as day you don’t want to engage in good-faith debates, you just want to push your bourgeois moralism onto others.
Your sex-negativity won’t last for long, as shown by how anti-pedo fatigue is setting in even among normies.
>>782620eh I think the tide is somewhat shifting and the current wave of anti-porn laws is being forced onto us by the bourgeois as punishment for the epstein shit so they can make a show of "holding sexual predators(private law abiding citizens) accountable" or whatever.
like as soon as these boomers die off I think public sentiment will shift heavily towards recognizing that fiction should be left alone. even now hardly anyone supports these laws even when they try to manufacture news stories like in the OP to try to justify the surveillance overreach. the reason they're pushing all these laws in the past 2 years is because it's the last dying gasp of the boomers to enshrine the police state into society since everyone born after 1980 hates the idea of government surveillance.
>>782612You know what the irony is?
In the age of hyper realistic violent video games, the amount of youth violence is low compared to previous eras
If you grew up as a Gen X kid or even early Gen Y the latest, it was accepted for kids to play with firecrackers, play tackle football on concrete, jump out of trees without safety, etc
Street fights were encouraged as a way to blow off steam
>>782557 (me)
>>782601I don't have beef with GETchan i'm just bantering.
>>782623>2) It compares two countries of different socio-economic positions including the fact that it does not take into account the lack of immigration to Japan compared to Britain which skews population statistics. so you blame immigrants for Britain's high rape rate instead of an incompetent government and/or broken society?
the /pol/tard finally reveals his true colors lol
>>782624>Ok boomerrepeating yourself just makes you sound more desperate.
>wE gEt ItAh yes, typical twitter speak.
>Maybe in Africa, west and South Asia Uhhhh no, retard.
Just in the US roughly 80% of rapes are go unreported as of 2016.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv16.pdf
>engage in good-faith debatesSays the retard with no argument, sources or actual facts.
The only radlib is you with your ancap fantasies and MAP rights infographs.
>Your sex-negativity won’t last for long Sure bud, keep projecting. And take your meds.
>>782603>loli cons and pedosGood to see that you can differentiate between the two even if you don’t like the former
>>782634lolicons are pedos lol
>>782627>the amount of youth violence is low compared to previous erasIn a broader sense perhaps, but violence is now worse in extreme. Rather than two dudes having a fist-fight it turns into one guy shooting the other, or some other shit. The christ-church footage was s videogame like, down to the mag-checks that it was just awful.
>it was accepted for kids to play with firecrackers, play tackle football on concrete, jump out of trees without safety, etcStreet fights were encouraged as a way to blow off steam
Yeah but all of that is very low compared to pulling a 9 and blowing someone a new earhole
>>782625> it's the last dying gasp of the boomers to enshrine the police state into society since everyone born after 1980 hates the idea of government surveillanceBruh, millennials and Gen Z are advocating state agencies to crack down on loli and edgy humor
Both SJWs and chuds
>>782635And there's nothing wrong with that if they are!
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>782630>so you blame immigrantsNo you stupid faggot. I'm saying that British population rise and other socio-economic changes have resulted in racial tensions, criminal laws being poorly enforced and so on. Additionally many immigrants come from countries with lower ages of consent and marriage, especially in Islamic states, resulting in higher statutory rape counts. Not to mention higher population density resulting in higher crime.
Your reflexive assumption that I was talking about immigrants as rapists tells me you're a terminally online lib who can't objectively analyze material conditions.
>>782630What Puritanism does to a mofo’s brains. I noticed how the recent right-wing puritanical tide in Europe is heavily tied to racism and radfems’ pathologisation of male heterosexuality. It’s always shit like:
“Muh immigrants is why we can’t have sex-positivity, otherwise muh gang-rapes will happen”
I do think the rise of the alt-right, at least in Europe, can be partially attributed to the European left’s failure to reject radfem dogma on sexual assault. Like, rape is bad, but pretending that stranger danger is the biggest threat is clearly deflection used by reactionaries because without it they’d have almost no argument to justify their ideology since many of them are too dumb to engage in the Socratic method.
Case in point, the Burkina Faso guy ITT whose prudish and conservative worldview rests on a few sensationalised tales and making shit up, typical of moralists.
>>782636> Yeah but all of that is very low compared to pulling a 9 and blowing someone a new earholeThat was ironically also more common in the old days.
If you grew up black in the 1980s, 90s, and 00s gun violence was all the rage.
It has went down.
> In a broader sense perhaps, but violence is now worse in extreme. Rather than two dudes having a fist-fight it turns into one guy shooting the other, or some other shit. The christ-church footage was s videogame like, down to the mag-checks that it was just awful. Those are outliers that make big news.
Do you remember the Oklahoma City Bombing of 1995?
Or how about the Branch Dravidian shoot off with feds in Waco, TX in 1993?
Gun violence in general was a lot more severe in the old days.
>>782640>“Muh immigrants is why we can’t have sex-positivity, otherwise muh gang-rapes will happen”never said that. You're living in delulu land bub.
>>782642>That was ironically also more common in the old days.Not in my experience, not even in the ghetto where I spent a good half of my childhood. Outside of LA at least and LA was an outlier in everything crime related at the time.
>the Branch Dravidian shoot off with feds in Waco, TX in 1993?The feds do shit like this far more often nowdays though. Just look at ICE.
>Gun violence in general was a lot more severe in the old days. Again, not in my experience and especially not outside the USA. In Russia gun violence has only gone up recently for example.
>>782623> Most loli is actually quite accurate to neotenous body forms, in fact MANY lolicon artists have been using real kids as reference models. With AI genning its gotten worse. Having an animu face slapped onto a realistic body doesn't make it betterCan you provide evidence of the average lolicon artist using actual kids nudes to make loli?
Most loli I encounter is more chibi/kawaii than actual children
Also, neoteny is adults retaining juvenile physiognomic traits not actual children
>>782647>Can you provide evidence of the average lolicon artist using actual kids nudes to make loli?Not without locating and posting CP, which I have no interest in doing.
>Most loli I encounter is more chibi/kawaii than actual children Because the clearnet has always been heavy on preventing more egregious stuff from being available. Most boorus hide it behind having an account.
>neoteny is adults retaining juvenile physiognomic traits not actual children True my mistake, my latin is rusty, borked it up.
>>782624> Your sex-negativity won’t last for long, as shown by how anti-pedo fatigue is setting in even among normies.NTA but I wish this was true.
Millennials and Gen Z have become draconian when it comes to sexual fetishes.
Stranger danger, helicopter parenting, and groomer scares alongside lack of opportunities for proper sexual/romantic relationships have ruined them.
They even want to extend childhood throughout the twenties.
The rise of the alt right and SJWs has made them incapable of any moderate thought.
I’m sorry but millennials and Gen Z are a lost cause
>>782647his source is probably that unsourced rumor about Rustle a famous loli hentai artist from the 00's. people would post on /a/ constantly that he referenced real children and then post photos of children from magazines and other stock photos that look like his poses. Rustle himself has said he never referenced real children(tho of course he would say that) and this is not at all a normal act among lolicon artists. It's just a longrunning rumor that has been spread from millennials to zoomers so long that the zoomers take it for granted as true.
There was a famous case of the Rurouni Kenshin author getting caught with a stash of CP that he claimed was "reference material" but considering Rurouni Kenshin is a series not focused on lolis or children at all no one really bought that excuse and hes since been ostracized from the anime/manga industry.
>>782649>Not without locating and posting CP, which I have no interest in doing. >>782647I'll add that there was some old threads on 8chan that did this however, locating actual CSAM and demonstrating that certain lolishit was basically traced off of it or heavily based on the photos.
>>782649Ok my apologies for being animosity towards you.
I respect your logic because most other anti loli folk aren’t very well read and are hypocritical/inconsistent in their stance
You at least know your stuff.
Also what is “Bork”?
>>782652Those kind of loli artists you described are outliers among the general loli community
Most loli folk prefer cartoon without reference to real childrens physiognomy
Our friend Tetra is writing something about this.
That is all, and her views are not my own.
https://ultratetra.itch.io/>>782650>Stranger danger, helicopter parenting, and groomer scaresexplain to me how any of these things are bad
>>782654shadman drew loli/shota art than the uygha turned out to actually be a pedophille
>>782651>his source is probably that unsourced rumor about Rustle a famous loli hentai artist from the 00's. No, my source is that I've seen it done. People do the same for zoophilia, it used to get posted on catchan, before kiwifarms took it down.
>>782653 No worries. I haven't engaged in these debates in forever but seeing someone shill unironic "MAP" stuff got me to actually post a response. Pedophiles should get treatment, not apologia and potential paedophiles should get help, not use porn to cope. That's just capitalist societal-alienation in motion.
>"bork" Used to be tech slang for messing up with a computer but now just gets used for most fuck ups.
>>782654 Perhaps, but often a lot of loli 'art' is unnervingly accurate to real CP; it's not just petite. I'm not talking about teen body types which are more variable.
>>782649>Because the clearnet has always been heavy on preventing more egregious stuff from being available. Most boorus hide it behind having an account. not really. you can find all the loli you want on baraag or even twitter without needing an account. this just seems like an excuse to not cite your sources for your claims
hell here's a famous artist that draws loli and then cosplays her own lolis
https://xcancel.com/Posseposs99https://xcancel.com/possetheposse99unless you exclusively exist on the normiesphere side of the internet you will be exposed to loli content pretty frequently if you're a weeb.
>>782655very cool houdini
>>782657that guy was a nazi who drew art based on politicians and real life children though, it wasn't exactly "fiction" he literally drew stuff like loli Hillary Clinton getting raped.
>>782659yeah? you think most lolifags dont have an attraction to children? shadman was praised by everyone around him because
>at least he didnt draw REAL childrenthen he started drawing real children
>>782659 >ou can find all the loli you want on baraag Like I said, I don't go looking for this shit. I know OF it and researched a bit a while back but it's a tiresome subject.
Loli is banned on Patreon and similar, it is hidden on most boorus and Twitter and similar socmedia only allow plausibly deniable content.
Your pic isn't a loli. It's an anime girl. Again loli specifically refers to underage (appearing) anime girls that are sexualized. Cosplay by an adult is still an adult.
>normiesphereI specifically mentioned catchan and kiwifarms. I don't go there but I know for a fact that at one point awoo.vg had a thread dedicated to tracking down loli hentai traced from real photos.
>>782660>then he started drawing real childrenNot to mention that time he drew Keemstar's 8 year old daughter.
>>782651Fair point.
Regardless that other anon is right.
There are outliers of loli artists that do use CSAM
It’s just a given for any art genre
I bet some violent scenes in video games or movies/TV are based on snuff films
>>782662>I bet some violent scenes in video games or movies/TV are based on snuff filmsdidnt half life 2 use a model of a real corpse in their game?
>>782656It has fucked up their maturation.
It has encouraged infantilization of young adults in terms of work, relationships, school, and even beliefs
>>782664It also has encouraged hysteria
>>782664>it has fucked up their maturationexplain
>>782663Did they go to a morgue or did they happen to encounter a dead person in the wilderness or the city or did they use a snuff film for reference?
>>782584Good grief, I bet you think that pro-Palestine activists should be arrested in order to prevent another Holocaust since that’s what your logic leads to.
To address your claims:
> The root of the problem is loli is normalizing sexualized children. Loli is inherently a sexual thing The point was never about "hurting" fictional characters but about how the people who view and "enjoy" such content are essentially escaping into a paedo fantasy. Saying "at least it's better than actual CP" is a hilariously shit argument. Do you want a medal for being a decent human being and not actually committing crime?“Escaping into a paedo fantasy” and “normalisation” are bad because…? LOL moralistic BS detected. STFU shitlib, your weasel words don’t work here. There’s no evidence children are born asexual, which already dismantles your entire paradigm of “sexualisation”, itself a thought-terminating cliche derived from patriarchal purity culture.
>that is why child abuse is under-reported, because most children don't know that they are being abusedThat in itself is a massive self-one no matter how you cope you dumb chud. If you have to convince someone that they were being abused, and given that trauma is an immediate (not delayed) response to harm, then it’s impossible that they were “abused” in the first place. At that point, you’d just be engaging in iatrogenic harm which, coincidentally, is the biggest cause behind trauma from non-coerced adult-minor sex:
https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/Research:_Secondary_Harm
>They may claim to consent and say they understand, but this is the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action. Kids are fundamentally incapable on a psychological and neurological level. They may cope and adapt, but that has lasting traumas and issues, something seen well in children that grow up during wartime. The social effect, both individually - conditioning and rewarding the brain from sexualizing the child form - and social - In normalizing the idea of pedophilia by both propagating pedophilia and defending their access to child pornography - endangers children, and has a detrimental effect socio-economically (eg economic damages brought about by psychological and mental/emotional harm from molestation, which are bared by the entire immediate families & likely friends/descendants of a victim). Many of the world’s worst paedophiles, rapists and serial killers were mentally scarred by things like seeing or experiencing sexual acts and abuse. The effect isn't even always immediate> Dunning-KrugerOh, the irony of someone claiming that whilst making shit up based on yellow-press type BS. For once, you’ve got no evidence regarding muh cognitive action as the concept of mental maturity that you allude to is more socially contingent than you’d like to admit. Likewise, I find it funny that for all of your Pearl-clutching about children you only want to believe in them when they claim to be “CSA victims” but not when they say they didn’t mind the sex. It’s clear at this post that your priority isn’t about children’s wellbeing.
Also, there’s no conclusive evidence showing a causative relationship between harm and intergenerational intimacy, not least “lasting trauma” for which is particularly egregious since it’s no different than claiming “everyone who died drank water, ergo drinking water has a 100% chance of causing death”:
http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/ma_12.htmA mental exercize you can perform to better understand how lesser (clinically sampled, criminally/coercively sampled) studies associate CSA with later psychological sequela:
- Forceful or unwanted sexual contact with a minor is deemed highly unacceptable throughout the western world.
- Forceful or unwanted sexual contact is therefore deemed an extraordinary and highly taboo behavior throughout the western world.
- Extraordinary and highly taboo, coercive behaviors are generally only perpetrated against extraordinary individuals, under extraordinary circumstances, lest they cause alarm or be discovered.
- One such predicating circumstance is vulnerability. In other words, to ever be subjected to a forced sexual contact, the minor is far more likely to have been seen as vulnerable, or to come from a vulnerable background.
- Vulnerable individuals from vulnerable backgrounds are statistically more likely to suffer from mental disturbances, drug dependency problems, and any number of negative life trajectories.
- Another such predicating circumstance, is that the perpetrator of the assault is likely to be mentally disturbed. What respectable and responsible person would carry out such antisocial acts? They may therefore already be in an abusive relationship with the victim.
- Given the above, is it really likely to be a single (or even multiple) "sexual" contact/s that caused the later impairment? Or instead, is the correlation with negative events in later life caused by pre-existing characteristics, general life trajectory, abusive relationships and other factors such as self-perception?
>Paedophilia is a paraphilia (a fetish) and is classified as a mental disorder
You’re a really bad liar, you know that? Pedophilia isn’t a mental disorder, not even the DSM-V says that. In fact it distinguishes “POCD” (Psychological distress arising from one’s perception of their pedophilic attraction) from pedophilic sexual orientation. Get it through your head that pedophilia is a sexual orientation:
https://libgen.rocks/ads.php?md5=c629571b08580b82c01f4d4fe10c2b3a&uid=1602And no, boomer, there’s no cure for it. Give it up:
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=174135
>Muh normalizationThat still doesn’t prove a causative relationship between access to Lolicon and sexual offence rates. You literally have zero basis for your bourgeois moralist screed:
http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/1961to1999/1999-pornography-rape-sex-crimes-japan.htmlIn conclusion: You are a fucking shitlib and should be quarantined. Its well-known per Haggard’s law that performative Puritanism is a sign of a repressed sexuality.
>>782643LOL why you’re even if you’re the kind of person who thinks muh feels is sufficient basis for state-led censorship?
You might as well support jailing people for hurting Jew feels lest anti-Semitic violence is “normalised”. F off to Reddit uygha
>>782666Since the 1990s, young people have become more awkward and willfully unworldly.
They think that dating anyone outside of their birth year is pedophilia
And this is due to how parents, teachers, and politicians handle them like pets.
There are millennials and zoomers who sincerely think teens having after school jobs is child exploitation.
Dating and porn are treated like scandals now.
Getting married and starting a family in your early twenties is now considered scandalous
There’s also this strong animosity towards growing up
It’s natural for kids to want to grow up.
Millennials and zoomers are trying to stamp out this natural desire for sociobiological maturation.
>>782660>shadman was praised by everyone around him becausewas he? I only recall /pol/tards praising shadman, lolicons outside /pol/ ignored his existence. no one in asia knew who he was. no one on /a/ cared about him. shadman was just pedophile stonetoss and of course 8channers worship anyone that is racist AND a pedophile so they made him seem way bigger than he was.
>>782662ofc there are outliers. I'm aware of some guro(anime gore) artists that used cartel murder videos and autopsies as reference for their art. it's not at all the norm but it's inevitable someone will take it too far.
>>782661>Your pic isn't a loli. It's an anime girl. Again loli specifically refers to underage (appearing) anime girls that are sexualized. Cosplay by an adult is still an adult. well that's what I've been getting at this whole time though, loli is specifically a genre for adults to engage exclusively with other adults. it doesn't involve real kids and real kids usually aren't allowed unless it's an anime con and some parent is cosplaying their toddler as a random child character from a anime, and obviously no one is going to sexualize that child.
I know if you engage with lolicons on social media a lot of them are extremely annoying about spamming uooohh at real photos and arguing about age of consent laws because many of them are in fact desperately trying to get a reaction out of "normies" and really bring a lot of the persecution onto themselves by being assholes(same as furries). It's incredibly fucking annoying. But I don't think the genre itself is about encouraging pedophilia. Earlier in the thread I compared it to ddlg roleplay and womens kinky romance bdsm novels and I still think that comparison holds, it's just a momentary fantasy. It doesn't make you a bad person to explore weird shit with other adults, nor should it make you a criminal. If a latent-criminal latches onto it and gets "inspired" to do crime that shouldn't reflect on the fiction just because crazy people do things. It's so normalized in Asia that loving married couples engage in loli cosplay and rp. Should that be outlawed too? Seems like a huge waste of time if no one's being harmed.
>>782641Where did you get this template image?
Do you have anymore?
>>782660Shadman was an outlier
To assume loli cons are MAPs is to assume that crime noir authors/movie directors are hybrystophiles
>>782676Wait until they start banning porn in general or even better yet, ban dating apps or start doing gender segregation in public to prevent sexual assault
Or even better yet, start implementing competency tests for parenting
>>782677Historically that's exactly what happened though. People thought crime noir novels would lead to more crime. As video games got more realistic puritans kept insisting they would cause mass shootings and many of them still believe it because of the correlation between the growth of the games industry and the massive rise of mass shootings.
>>782678a lot of Republican states are already ahead of the UK when it comes to banning porn. iirc many of them have tried and it just gets delayed in the supreme court indefinitely. eventually the zogbots will get the perfect court case that justifies striking down the first amendment in the case of porn just like they did for abortion, and all those laws will go into effect all at once and suddenly half the US can no longer access porn without breaking the law.
>>782669I know that it’s common to mindlessly use Reddit as a slur but even Reddit has some communities that are open to discussion about loli without mindless shaming.
>>782668>b-boomer>U-ur anti-palestinian<nonsequiturs, fallacies and goal-post shifting <blatantly misrepresentation of what is being said to talk about causality and using single link, while ignoring the actual citation and statistics I provided>It's NOT a disorder it's NOT! <It's muh orientationYeah okay chud, you're just digging yourself a hole.
>"Pedophilic disorder is defined in the DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition) and ICD-11 (International Classification of Diseases, 11th Revision) as a paraphilic disorder, characterized by recurrent, intense sexual fantasies, urges, or behaviors involving prepubescent children (generally age 13 or younger)." Retard.
>You are a fucking shitlibNope. Sorry but I don't believe in performative liberal pseudopsyche shit about how everything is a sexuality and 'valid'. You're defending child abuse and media depictions of such abuse for a fetish. You have no ground to stand on.
>>782679And communism is still banned in the west
Your leftist revolution will never happen
You will be forty, still groveling in capitalis society with no hoes, still visiting this dustbin of an Internet chat space fantasying about your communist utopia
So you didn’t win
Liberalism won
>>782681Reddit doesn't really have communities like that anymore. Post-covid Reddit went from being like Twitter to being more like a news and tiktok aggregator and nothing else. Anything that doesn't advance the advertiser interests is purged. I got banned from reddit for asking why they were celebrating the murders of palestinian and iranian children.
>>782677explain to me how you can jerk off to the bodies of children and still not be a pedophille?
>>782685anon you're replaying to a sharty raider not a commie.
>>782687I assume that you’re being a willful troll
Ask me how you can watch horror movies and not end a cultist
Explain how you can watch action movies and not end up some gun slinging schizo
>>782688Communists don’t really exist anymore
Not after the 1970s
>>782684You’re equating loli with actual pedophilia again with the image
>>782687explain to me how you can play grand theft auto and not be a psychopathic mass murderer?
>>782672>ut I don't think the genre itself is about encouraging pedophilia.The genre literally takes its name from a book about a groomer preying on his step-daughter, and the origin of loli in Japanese anime was just variations on that in hentai that otaku would draw and spread amongst themselves. When the internet arrived this became easier to spread, as did usual digital art platforms making mass production faster.
>It's so normalized in Asia that loving married couples engage in loli cosplay and rp. Like I said, it speaks to a level of sexual obsession. There's levels to it. Additionally those cosplays are usually more about moe aesthetics than actually fantasizing about a kid-character. As I stated in my TL;DR
>If you're just into stylistically cute characters, whatever. It's a little weird but being weird isn't terrible. >>782656Most children are raped, beaten, or killed by familiar adults, rarely adult strangers
>>782691You're deflecting. The term lolicon means paedophile. The concept of lolicon is an illustrated fetishization of CSAM. Ergo it's functionally the same, even if its not as egregious as real stuff.
>>782674I have no idea.
>>782694Fantasizing about fictional kid characters still isn’t inherently bad tho because it’s fiction
>>782697>You're deflecting. The term lolicon means paedophile. The concept of lolicon is an illustrated fetishization of CSAM. Ergo it's functionally the same, even if its not as egregious as real stuff. arguing definitions is a pretty weak argument style because people just make that shit up and somehow it sticks. culture evolves and changes with time and subcultures evolve even more. modern "goth" culture has absolutely nothing to do with the ancient goth tribes for example even though they appropriated the name. asia in particular loves to take western words or references and turn them into something totally different or a total misinterpretation of the original meaning. you can say "lolicon = pedophile" but in asia they have lolicon themed bars and maid cafes and events. if you did that but used the word pedophile you would be run out of town even in Japan. the words may have the same root meaning but the social connotation is lolicon = 2D while pedophile = 3D.
>>782696> this fashion style is named after the same book. does it mean it caters to pedophiles? The difference is that this is just a dress fashion, not a direct fetishization of CSAM, while loli was from the get-go a drawn fetishization of the plotline; an adult preying on a little girl.
>>782698See
>>782584 I repeat; Do you want a medal for being a decent human being and not actually committing crime?
>>782695NTA but that would be due to interaction bias; as you are less likely to meet strangers in a vulnerable position, you are less likely to be hurt by one. This doesn't mean that close families are abusive. By general statistics less than 15% of families have ANY sort of even minimal maltreatment towards children.
>>782664This is true.
>>778228lolicons ARE pedophiles but holy shit the UK is really turning into an authoritarian police state shithole
>>782699>arguing definitions is a pretty weak argumentIt would be if we were talking about something like gothic lolita clothing
>>782696 which is so distantly related to the book and word as to be irrelevant. Lolicon is not. By the very definition of what IT is, it is drawn CP, Stylized or not.
People had a whole shitfit over Stonetoss being a stochastic terrorist, and while that was an over-reaction there were some points made that there is a level of depiction that goes from mere parody/reference and goes into propagation.
>you can say "lolicon = pedophile" but in asia See
>>782584My first few sentences: The meaning of ロリコン and 小児愛 is synonymous with pedophile in Japanese dictionaries or blogs. 小児愛 is the psychological term for ロリコン.
>>782703On that I can agree. I dislike lolishit, but this V-tuber situation is retarded.
>>782706>if you think all lolicon is CSAM I tire of this; I explained that its one thing to like cute aesthetics (i.e. moe) but fetishizing it and the child-focus is what makes is illustrated CP.
>oppai loliNot a single one of those is what I would descibe as a child body. The presence of mammoth boobs already contradicts that, or are breasts not part of the body?
>>782706>>782707Also the proportions on this image are so ass LMAO
>>782710Pic 1 has the proportions of a dog or a dwarf - a big torso and tiny legs. I see this and think "midget" and not "child"
Even if it was drawn to realistic detail (big boobs and short limbs, just a realistic face) I would still think midget, or neoteny at worst. This isn't really loli, even if someone calls it that, this is Moe.
Can this thread just die?!?!?!
This has been the top of the overboard for days and I'm sick of it, I dont even care what it is about but is it really that important?!?!
loli debate threads should be banned they're just endless shitflinging fests where nobody changes their opinions on anything and where rightoids farm screenshots
>>782714Why do you think its on /siberia/. loli and related debate was banned from
>>>/anime/ back during the bunkerchan.xyz days because most people hated that shit and letting it go unengaged led to spam and MAPologia.
>>782711loli art has always had a fondness for taking any kind of cute creature, action, or trait and having the lolis/chibis adopt it. because at the end of the day it's mostly tied to japan's obsession with cuteness and children being seen as the cutest thing. Which is why I think loli art is generally harmless.
the first image seems very deliberately meant to seem like petting a cat's belly. japan loves using cats as references for cute characters. I would go as far as to say loli itself is more a fetishization of cuteness than it is fetishizing children. not that it really matters in my opinion since it's all harmless fiction.
>>782712>>782714siberia is the leftypol equivalent of /r9k/ or /b/. complaining about the content on the "shitpost containment board" is weird.
>>782712Turns out when everyone disregards the thread topic and just makes it a debate addict general: loli edition the thread moves fast.
>>782716It shouldn't have been posted to /siberia/ in the first place, it should've been posted to /leftypol/
>>782702Traps are gay.
But more a heterosexual form of gay if you get my drift
>>782715This board has endless threads whining about being lonely and horny or about some alleged racism but god forbid you talk about the ethicality of loli once in a blue moon.
Just click the hide button if it bothers you so.
>>782680We had mass shootings in the past that weren’t reported.
In fact, school shootings in America stretch back as far as the 1800s
>>782757Those "school shootings" are just some Huckleberry bringing his dad's gun to school and it accidentally discharging.
>>782646> Not in my experience, not even in the ghetto where I spent a good half of my childhood. Outside of LA at least and LA was an outlier in everything crime related at the timeYou grew up in LA?
How was it?
Is it exactly like it was portrayed in 1990s hip-hop media?
>>782759Show some examples.
Also I think it’s crazy that kids were allowed to bring guns to school and not get severe punishment back then.
Im not talking about storing guns in your car at school.
Im talking about bringing a firearm into the school building.
Nowadays if you even post videos of your gun on social media you get suspended from school even if it’s not on campus
>>782646> The feds do shit like this far more often nowdays though. Just look at ICEDo they do bombings of buildings or do they just do ransacking of homes?
>>782716This.
Also not all loli is pornographic
>>782714As soon as you ban sex and relationship threads on here we will stop loli debates
>>782761>You grew up in LA?No I grew up in a Ghetto, but only visited LA once. Back then it was very much an outlier. Crime wise the movies are pretty accurate, if a little exaggerated.
>>782761>kids were allowed to bring guns to school and not get severe punishment back then.NTA but back then people had a lot better gun discipline. People understood a gun was a weapon and not some bling or tool of petty vengeance.
>>782762 They might not do literal bombings like they did against the Black Panthers but that was an outlier for the time too. In my area we had this dude with paranoid schizophrenia and he ran out of meds and got really angry with someone and locked himself in his apartment. Someone called for help and we got 6 patrol cars, 12 cops and a body riddled with 9 bullets that they fired. Pretty sure they flashbanged the apartment so bad it was scorched inside. Poor dude was harmless as a fly. It didn't get reported because he was white and the local groups for police accountability didn't think he'd make a good story because of it, but I digress. This was 2021 I think?
Speaking of grenades, I recall that time the police raided the wrong house and burned a little baby with their grenades. They also do no-knock searches and killed a lot of people, and with a lot more impunity. You gotta remember that during the 90s people didn't take shit from the police as often because with enough impetus they could retaliate. Nowdays surveillance and cop militarization changes things.
>>782702>this is trueYep. Refer to
>>782670 >>782705And UK was an adamant fear monger against communism.
>>782769You don’t have to state the exact location but what geographic region did you grow up in?
The Southeast? Northeast? Or Midwest?
Also:
> NTA but back then people had a lot better gun discipline. People understood a gun was a weapon and not some bling or tool of petty vengeance. Idk if that was true in the Wild West. Or was gun discipline better even back then?
> They might not do literal bombings like they did against the Black Panthers but that was an outlier for the time too. In my area we had this dude with paranoid schizophrenia and he ran out of meds and got really angry with someone and locked himself in his apartment. Someone called for help and we got 6 patrol cars, 12 cops and a body riddled with 9 bullets that they fired. Pretty sure they flashbanged the apartment so bad it was scorched inside. Poor dude was harmless as a fly. It didn't get reported because he was white and the local groups for police accountability didn't think he'd make a good story because of it, but I digress. This was 2021 I think?
>Speaking of grenades, I recall that time the police raided the wrong house and burned a little baby with their grenades. They also do no-knock searches and killed a lot of people, and with a lot more impunity. You gotta remember that during the 90s people didn't take shit from the police as often because with enough impetus they could retaliate. Nowdays surveillance and cop militarization changes things.Do you think this is due to or encouraging incompetence in police officers?
And I mean incompetence in terms of hand-to-hand combat, running, jumping, etc?
And this sounds like it’s also encouraging psychopathy if not sociopathy.
>>782771East Coast
>Idk if that was true in the Wild West Well I wasn't there in THOSE days but given what I know about how older generations treated guns, I'm pretty sure people only used them when they intended to; you wouldn't survive long as a pioneer if you couldn't shoot straight and not blow your own head off by accident.
>due to or encouraging incompetence in police officers? In part yes. Also just a general acceleration of capitalist decline.
>sounds like it’s also encouraging psychopathy if not sociopathy. It absolutely does. Rap song related (turn down your audio, its loud).
>>782789This
People love to preach about how art should push boundaries and not suck up to peoples favor but then turn around advocate crucifixion for some art form they do not like
This is why I never listen to people when they preach about exceptionalism
Go watch Simpsons season 2 episode 9 "Itchy & Scratchy & Marge"
>>782684LOL the liberal limey couldn’t even rebuke my points, so he has to make false gotchas out of it to keep the moral high ground. Also, why did you cut off the full DSM-V? Too sacred of the truth that you need to censor it, like your beloved Starmer who is ushering Albion into an age of repression?:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/15248380241262286
> In the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5; American Psychiatric Association [APA], 2013), a clear distinction is drawn between pedophilic disorder and pedophilic sexual interest. Both conditions entail a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, with the individual being at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child. Additionally, they must have experienced “recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child, for a minimum of six months” (APA, 2013, p. 697). The key differentiation between pedophilic disorder and pedophilic sexual interest is seen in the presence of severe distress or significant interpersonal difficulties which are essential for the diagnosis of pedophilic disorder.And yeah, your logic is the same one used by Zionists to censor pro-Palestinian activism: That it normalises antisemitism. This is the sort of shit your liberal worldview leads to, and everybody knows that the main trait of today’s liberalism is being against the freedom of self-expression.
Much like how Israeli spyware is tested on Palestinians before being used against broader populations, the state censors NSFW content like Lolicon first before moving to political content (e.g., the 2023 Online Safety Act) for the same reasons as Israel does: To test out repression, they need to trial it with a subject that is too stigmatised or marginalised enough to not cause social unrest at first.
Given how you limeys enjoy censorship so much, then don’t complain when the same government that regularly arrests people over cartoons also arrested people like Doctor Rahmeh Aladwan for pro-Palestine comments.
>>782705Wait so you don't think loli should be illegal? What did you even argue about for 100 posts then?
Hey, I think I found who the puritanical britbong’s real identity is. We got played:
https://fstube.net/w/sqvrt4cMmaiA5uY2cuT5KjRemember: Not using VPNs saves children. Let the state spy on you and arrest you for mean words and icky toons.
Also, isn’t it funny how the best he can come up with is “muh normalisation” as if that’s a bad thing, and how it’s all a deflection to move the debate from material analysis to idealism because he’d know he loses the debate if he ever gave up on moralisms?
Like, 100% of anti-Lolicon arguments come down to bourgeois moralisms.
>>782806He just wanted to virtue-signal and be a retard about it, plain and simple. Shitlib brit bongs are just like that.
Lolicon is bourgeois art because it depicts children being fucked which is what the bourgeoisie does, simple as
I don't know about any of this, but I just fucking hate vtubers in general.
>>782859Sorry but the ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas which is why epsteinite art depicting children being raped is actually bourgeois. Also petit bourgeois and fascist as the freelancers who do pedophile drawings are sometimes self employed and loli and child rape are stapples of modern neo nazi culture
>>782805>rebuke my pointsYou have no points or arguments. You have fallacies, while clearly ignoring the parts of my argument that address your fallacies. I see no point in engaging your bullshit when you argue in bad faith.
Then again I expect no less from CSA apologists.
>Posts definition that doesn't actually contradict anything I said about it being a mental disorder. >Posts a link to a "study" about reducing stigma for being a pedophile<wow this study totally isn't biased!You're a pedo apologist grasping at straws. Pedos need medical help, you need a beating for being a scumbag.
>"Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children." <Gavin, Helen (2014). Criminological and Forensic Psychology. SAGE Publications. p. 155. ISBN 978-1-84860-700-2. LCCN 2013938304. OCLC 867602647. OL 28507633M. Retrieved July 7, 2018.<Seto, Michael C. (2008). Pedophilia and Sexual Offending Against Children. Washington, D.C.: American Psychological Association. pp. vii–viii, 4, 47–48, 64, 66, 72–74, 101, 123, 171, 175, 177–182, 186, 189, 192. ISBN 978-1-4338-2926-0. LCCN 2018015464. OCLC 1047607981. OL 27377980MAnd
>While not causes of pedophilia themselves, childhood abuse by adults or comorbid psychiatric illnesses—such as personality disorders and substance abuse—are risk factors for acting on pedophilic urges. <Fagan PJ, Wise TN, Schmidt CW, Berlin FS (November 2002). "Pedophilia". JAMA. 288 (19): 2458–65. doi:10.1001/jama.288.19.2458. PMID 12435259
>Neither the DSM nor the ICD-11 diagnostic criteria require actual sexual activity with a prepubescent youth. The diagnosis can therefore be made based on the presence of fantasies or sexual urges even if they have never been acted upon. On the other hand, a person who acts upon these urges yet experiences no distress about their fantasies or urges can also qualify for the diagnosis. Acting on sexual urges is not limited to overt sex acts for purposes of this diagnosis, and can sometimes include indecent exposure, voyeuristic or frotteuristic behaviors.<Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Text Revision, 5th Edition. American Psychiatric Publishing. 2022. pp. 794–796. ISBN 978-0-89042-575-6.
>Your beloved StarmerAh yes, because I think porn is representative of PORN, I must support the British Government, brilliant logic! Truly black and white morality at play… funny how someone screeching about spooks engages in them
>ushering Albion into an age of repression? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you just proved you don't know jack shit about real life. Britain has always been a repressive shithole you stupid motherfucker, it's been a meme since the early days of the internet and Margaret Thatcher and has been true since antiquity. The most libertarian thing in British historical society was the introduction of the Magna Carta as a measure to prevent the King from being a complete Autarch.
>your logic is the same one used by Zionists to censor pro-Palestinian activism No, you're making extremely stretched false equivalencies to make a morality play about how pointing out drawn CSA being illustrated CSAM is "just lied doz dirty jooz", and trying to derail the argument into being about "muh Palestine n' Israel". Typical /pol/fag. Just take off your antifa mask and post Rothbard already you faggot.
A lot of degenerates in this thread are trying to equate marxism with being pro-loli because “marxism is actually le anti morallity”
i think you are all just pedophiles who have spent too long on the more recessed parts of the internet and are now trying to justify your disgusting sexual perversions (lolicon shit is bourgeois degeneracy btw) because deep down you know it’s disgusting and that you need help
Try raising your stance on lolicon shit within leftist circles in the real world, you won’t be treated so kindly (because pedophilia is not a left/marxist virtue)
Shoot all pedos
>>782789>>782790>It's muh AAAART! No chud, your loli hentai is not art or literature. It is pornography. A form of media; an illustration or animation, but that does not make it art. To call it art would make anything 'art' making the word meaningless. Art is first and foremost designed for aesthetic purpose, and secondly to carry meaning, ever since the first cave paintings and bone carvings. Porn (which is not for aesthetic purpose) is not art. Porn is also not the same as erotica or nudity. Note that something like cherubs may be depicted nude but never in a self-sexual context in art.
>If simply finding this attractive is pedophiliaMost people are not attracted to prepubescent children, cartoon or otherwise and as I point out
>>782870 It doesn't matter if you're just fantasizing, that is still pedophilia by definition of this paraphilic disorder.
>but muh censorshipWhile I despise anglos and think this V-tuber situation is just a retarded stunt, the fact is, Censorship is not anti-socialist.
Socialism is about seizing the means of production and installing a dictatorship of the proletariat which oversees everything within a socialist state, this includes media. It's main purpose is to disarm and remove the capitalist class and its worst products (such as un-necessary commodities and for-profit labour organization/production). This inherently requires a 'regimented structure' regardless of whether you centralize or decentralize the planned economy. You cannot have socialism without moderating the media consumed, otherwise you permit reactionary and bourg content to be reproduced without scrutiny and therefore influence the population's thinking.
This shit is bourgeosie decadence.
>inb4 some retard posts about "history of sex" or some other PoMo garbage Foucalt was a paedophile, similar to other lib-succs like Orwell, obviously he would argue that it's "natural" (and use cherry picked arguments/examples to "prove" it.
However even if one were to accept that pre-class societies accepted paedophilia (and ignore that lifespans of the times meant that living to 40 made you an old man) that doesn't matter in the face of dialectics.
To fall back on the claim that pedophilia is genetic is to remove the blame from one's perverted decadence. It is clear pedos are made, maybe some have a 'higher susceptibility' to the social conventions which 'force them' into pedophilia, but we can see this by how many pedophiles were abused as kids. It is a cycle that needs to be nipped in the bud. But this STILL misses the point for Marxists, even if something is "biological" it is still subject for our analysis and deconstruction and even rejection. Murderous violence is also natural, but that doesn't mean that we should legalize it. That is the point of material analysis and subsequent Socialism; to change history. And the Marxist must lead by example showing the discipline and autonomy to not wank to depictions of children.
>>782875>art is when moralitylearn to stack your bait from least to most outlandish so the people you're baiting don't know to disregard your post until the end.
>>782870Oh boy, so the moralfag who wants the surveillance state to confiscate your devices for some pixels is yet at it again, this time failing to put up any actual argument. Still haven’t addressed any of my points, instead engaging in ad hominem and fallacy fallacy. Starmer clearly isn’t sending his best shills, especially as you’re coping sooooo hard. kek.
Also, funny that you cite Seto when he is one of the people that argues pedophilia is a sexual orientation:
https://end-the-stigma.com/resources/Is_Pedophilia_a_Sexual_Orientation-Michael_C_Seto.pdf
>"By the above definition of sexual orientation — and most common definitions of sexual orientation — pedophilia can be viewed as a sexual age orientation based on the more limited evidence available regarding its age of onset, associations with sexual and romantic behavior, and stability over time."Oh, and the rest of your citations mean nothing if they just do the rookie mistake of insinuating causation from correlation.
>No, you're making extremely stretched false equivalenciesNope. ITT your entire arguments are based on feels in order to justify censorship and repression because you find Lolicon and any hint of youth sexuality to be icky. You’re thus no different than the Zionists who call for state censorship of anyone mildly critical of Israel because muh feelz.
You’re a fascist turd who should follow their leader, plain and simple.
>>782875>Most people are not attracted to prepubescent children, cartoon or otherwise and as I point out >>782870 It doesn't matter if you're just fantasizing, that is still pedophilia by definition of this paraphilic disorder. Homosexuality is also a minority thing, and most of the world still deems homosexuality a mental disorder, much like the bourgeois DSM-V that you love so much once did before it reneged to gay activist pressure. Don’t pretend that mental disorders aren’t socially constructed to a huge extent. Should yaoi then be banned, or what?
And once again, you clearly failed to read the DSM, so here’s the full quote you omitted for “convenient reasons”:
>>American Psychiatric Association (2013). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (Fifth ed.), p. 698.
>"Examples of disclosing this paraphilia include candidly acknowledging an intense sexual interest in children and indicating that sexual interest in children is greater than or equal to sexual interest in physically mature individuals. If individuals also complain that their sexual attractions or preferences for children are causing psychosocial difficulties, they may be diagnosed with pedophilic disorder. However, if they report an absence of feelings of guilt, shame, or anxiety about these impulses and are not functionally limited by their paraphilic impulses (according to self-report, objective assessment, or both), and their self-reported and legally recorded histories indicate that they have never acted on their impulses, then these individuals have a pedophilic sexual orientation but not pedophilic disorder.Also, how come you didn’t engage with my other points, such as the lack of conclusive evidence to prove lolicon consumption induces sexual offences, the lack of conclusive evidence proving a causative relationship between adult-minor sex and harm, that said harm is likely iatrogenic in origin, or the fact that minors are sexual beings (children and babies too)?
Honestly, your dishonesty truly shines in this particular subject. Truly a bourgeois moralist trying to enforce the diktats of the bourgeois onto the working classes who are the ones most likely to suffer from your repressive proposal.
Not sure why you’re so into forcing kids into state-mandated inceldom up until the magic age line that you want to do the same to fictional children as well.
>To fall back on the claim that pedophilia is genetic is to remove the blame from one's perverted decadence. It is clear pedos are madeNot true. Pedophilia being sexual orientation isn’t some get-out-of-jail card, and most pedos are born, not made:
http://www.helping-people.info/articles/fog_eng.htm
>"The rationale behind cognitive therapy is that the world view of the therapist is believed to be right and when the world view of the patient is different he is said to suffer from cognitive distortion".And also:
https://sci-hub.se/10.1001/jamapediatrics.2014.3357
>"The widespread belief that sexually abused children are uniquely at risk to become sex offenders was not supported by prospective empirical evidence. These new findings suggest that early intervention programs should target children with histories of physical abuse and neglect. They also indicate that existing policies and practices specifically directed at future risk for sex offending for sexually abused children may warrant reevaluation."Honestly, you’re just another garden-variety of homophobe considering how many of your arguments can be used to justify anti-sodomy laws.
>>782888Yh, the guy is a time-waster. Make you wonder if he is some TERF troll coming to shit this lance up given how his beliefs are too extreme even for the average normgroid.
Oh, I see you're arguing here. Who's winning? I hope it's the lolicons.
>>782872Let’s see what Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels said on the matter:
>What, then, does promiscuous sexual intercourse really mean? It means the absence of prohibitions and restrictions which are or have been in force. We have already seen the barrier of jealousy go down. If there is one thing certain, it is that the feeling of jealousy develops relatively late. The same is true of the conception of incest. Not only were brother and sister originally man and wife; sexual intercourse between parents and children is still permitted among many peoples today. Bancroft (The Native Races of the Pacific States of North America, 1875, Vol. I), testifies to it among the Kadiaks on the Behring Straits, the Kadiaks near Alaska, and the Tinneh in the interior of British North America; Letourneau compiled reports of it among the Chippewa Indians, the Cucus in Chile, the Caribs, the Karens in Burma; to say nothing of the stories told by the old Greeks and Romans about the Parthians, Persians, Scythians, Huns, and so on. Before incest was invented – for incest is an invention, and a very valuable one, too – sexual intercourse between parents and children did not arouse any more repulsion than sexual intercourse between other persons of different generations, and that occurs today even in the most philistine countries without exciting any great horror; even “old maids” of over sixty, if they are rich enough, sometimes marry young men in their thirties. […]In a letter written in the spring of 1882, Marx expresses himself in the strongest terms about the complete misrepresentation of primitive times […] Marx replies: "In primitive times the sister was the wife, and that was moral."
>>Frederick Engels. Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (1884).https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch02.htm >>782904well the lolicons are now resorting to blatant CSA apologia
>>782678>ban dating appsthis would be good, actually. like you have no idea how good this would be for you
>>782912I think making mandatory competency training for parents would be better
Dating apps while bad, doesn’t detract from
The fact that dating in itself is very discriminatory.
>>782911Loli cons are not CSA apologists
They don’t seek out real life children
>>782872This is rich coming from the same group that claims “morality is a spook”
Equating cartoon characters to real life kids.
Even advocating to kill lolis just because their fetish annoys you
You’re a triggered shitlib
And speaking of dark recesses of the Internet, you’re a hypocrite because imageboards are exactly that. Encouraging accelerationism to spite the world for not conforming to your political preferences
>>782900Transsexualism is still a mental illness in ICD 11 and DSM, just under different names
>>782921Although no, only in the DSM. In ICD 11 it's a sexual disorder or something like that.
>>782918One of them already was discussing the cognitive effects of hyper realism in FPS games.
>>782919>>782920>Triggered shitlib screaming into the void >>782870>>782872What are your thoughts on S&M and rapeplay porn?
>>782887 >It's too late. I've already depicted you as the soyjak bla blah blahCope liberal.
>>782888>art is when morality Not what I said. Your non-argument is dismissed
>>782891 >U-ur a moralfagNo, I just know socialism and ethics.
> failing to put up any actual argument.<haven’t addressed any of my points You have no points and you're just going no u while blatantly ignoring that I already addressed your pedophile apologia
>unny that you cite Seto when he is one of the people that argues pedophilia is a sexual orientation Funny how you ignore the rest of what is being said to your own convenience.
>he rest of your citations mean nothing <muh causation Not an argument. I posted actual excerpts, including from sources you used. You just cherrypick things that are convenient for you.
>ITT your entire arguments are based on feels No U lol.
>j-justify censorship<Muh freedumz! Like I said, take off your mask and stop pretending to be anything other than a Rothbardian faggot.
>find Lolicon and any hint of youth sexuality to be icky. I explained in detail why it is consistently detrimental to people and society. You're in denial and trying to project because you know you're wrong, so you appeal to the "muh subjectivity" fallacy that liberals thrive on.
>>782900 >Homosexuality is also a minority thing, and most of the world still deems homosexuality a mental disorder <We're minorities too!So are Nazis in most of the world, not an argument. You're really seething right now jumping into Whataboutisms, red herring fallacies and false equivalencies.
>Yaoi Yeah sure.
>Don’t pretend that mental disorders aren’t socially constructed to a huge extent. <Muh social construct! A fallacious argument made by the mentally ill with cognizance to justify being awful human beings. You're just doing the /pol/ "human nature" argument, again proving yourself to be a /pol/reject
>here’s the full quote you omitted for convenient reasonsThe convenient reason being that I was specifically speaking about a specific and important excerpt. Furthermore, you also are omitting the fact that DSM-V's differentiation is only in regards to terminology on
> and their self-reported and legally recorded histories indicate that they have never acted on their impulses Meaning that the only difference is acting it out. HOWEVER as my other quote demonstrates that does not change the fact that to consistently fantasize about it still makes one a paedophile. You're nitpicking semantics to deflect from the main point.
>lack of conclusive evidence to prove lolicon consumption induces sexual offencesThat's not a point, that is a loaded argument, ignoring circumstances and other evidence mentioned ITT.
>minors are sexual beings <children and babies Nobody but your obscure paedophilic sources actually claim this, and I can just as easily find research to the opposite. But you clearly didn't read the sources I posted before, so I won't bother, since you'll just continue respamming the same brain-dead nonsense.
>ruly a bourgeois moralist trying to enforce the diktats of the bourgeois"Oh truly I have seen the Light, Epstein was a revolutionary hero and CSAM is the right to all communists, Heil Antifa!"
Is that what you want me to say, you libertine hedonist?
>forcing kids into state-mandated inceldom<Not allowing paedophilia is the same as not permitting children to grow up naturally and not be subject to predatorsWow, nice false equivalency there buddy, very cool.
>>782909 Convenient that you ignore the context of this being Engels disputing the assertions of prehistoric anthropology that primitive humans were or were not sexually open and that incest as a concept is 'modern'. The fact however remains that he is not talking about a literal child and adult, but an older adult with a younger adult. Furthermore incest being 'approved of' in distant and relatively primitive hunter-gatherer tribes and pre-feudal early city-states is an outlier because most people do not and have not engaged in incest. "social constructs" arise from material conditions. Furthermore the argument is not that this should be an example to follow nor that 'free love' should be about promiscuity but about equality of relations, hence why Marx condemned prostitution.
>>782914What do you call shit like this trying to play semantics about what "paedophilia is" and that "children are sexual beings"?
>>782900 >>782913>The fact that dating in itself is very discriminatory.Yeah but dating apps turn this up by a factor of 100, without dating apps you would not be competing with sex-depraved male models anymore, you could actually hook up and rely on other stuff besides a couple of pictures. In fact it's so good that I doubt this would be something the british gov would do
>>782932Grab a towel, you're clitty leaking all over the place.
>>782931I already expressed myself on that
>>782934Oh I'm shakin' in my boots from all your projection. You get any edgier and you might cut your wrists.
>>782789this image sums up this entire thread unfortunately.
>>782875>No chud, your loli hentai is not art or literature. It is pornography.you're an actual moron lol. the author of made in abyss is a more talented artist than you'll ever be.
arrest are too little should've executed the guy
>>782932> Claims to have made arguments no one is addressing> Engages in pure moralisms and idealism devoid of material analysis> Literally believes consooming media leads to murder like an idealist despite denying being one> Deflects criticism like a zionist> Refuses to engage with evidence that runs contrary to his belief system that child molestation is this spectacular event that warrants a capitalist surveillance state to stop it> Admits to cherry-picking data> Doesn’t get why implying causation from correlation is a mistake> Easily gamed by appeals to disgust and bourgeois yellow press sloop> Chimps out over youth sexuality> resorts to “Muh Epstein n shieeet” when losing debatehttps://m.youtube.com/shorts/vbYMPz5kF1s?ra=mMan, at this point it’s clear you’re just a shitlib whose narcissism leads you to be incapable in actual self-reflection as shown by how you double down on your fascist BS.
Just admit you’re a woketard goyslave and move on.
>>782632> It’s totes unreported even tho MeToo has made it trendySure anon, sure. Keep coping just like you think a bunch of pixels somehow leads to child molestation despite no evidence for it beyond some idealistic crap.
>>783076LOL what did you expect from a dumb uyghur? Of course it would rely on low-autism score metaphysics (“sexualisation of children”? Really?) to argue Lolicon is le bad and ebil. Nigs gonna nig Ig.
>>782932That image is kinda wrong
Just because people don’t agree with leftism doesn’t mean they’re sexual predators
>>782933>Yeah but dating apps turn this up by a factor of 100, without dating apps you would not be competing with sex-depraved male models anymore, What are these “sex depraved male models” you are describing? Why does this board like to conjure up misandrist strawmen all the time?
Outside of dating apps you would still be competing with these kind of people.
Romantic prospects are all about the four Bs: Beauty, Brawn, Brains, and Brevity.
Criticism of dating apps is mainly just projecting one’s mediocrity
Most people are mediocre in all four aspects.
The problem is people think romantic love is “either you got it or don’t” rather than an investment.
you could actually hook up and rely on other stuff besides a couple of pictures. In fact it's so good that I doubt this would be something the british gov would do
>>783101>What are these “sex depraved male models” you are describing? Why does this board like to conjure up misandrist strawmen all the time?>Outside of dating apps you would still be competing with these kind of people.I think what anon was getting at was that like the top 1% of men are having 80% of the sex or some insane statistic that went viral a while ago. These men are plapping basically every female on dating apps just because they have the combination of attractiveness + money that causes womens' biology to short-circuit into lust mode.
I saw this image floating around on /r9k/ a bit ago and I'm sure there's some catch to these statistics but it does paint a bleak picture about what dating apps have done to the sexual market. Women are quite literally paralyzed by choice and it has made dating infinitely harder because women can just scroll through an app to get their fix of talking to hot guys instead of going to a bar or something where you're only competing with the hottest guy at the bar instead of the hottest guy in a 4 hour driving distance.
>>782937I can cut your head off uyghur
Why is it whenever lolicons deploy to defend their "Not Anime Child Porn" it always starts with "The government shouldn't arrest people for drawing loli porn and claim they're pedos" and ends with "Akshuly pedophilia is proletarian and consuming child porn is revolutionary you fucking moralfag Nazi bigot"?
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