why are breedoids like this? is it out of spite? sadism?
They just want to fit in. Most adults seem to have kids.
They wanted kids I guess. Also women have an expiry date for such things and she is in jail for who knows how long.
>>780082>>780088both reasons are incredibly selfish
why put a child in this situation?
>>780111>>780088why are you criticising two proles that wanted to have a child? the bourgeois does much more damage to children every second that these two will do in all their lifes. also, i think if they really wanted that much to have a child (they tried several times a day for months) it is because they will put effort into raising it
Two consentual adults have decided to conceive a child. What part exactly is bothering you here? The adult or the consentual part?
>>780114>consensualretarded lib, people "consent" to shitty things all the time. you shouldn't use an heuristic that considers as equals a man raping a mentally ill woman who "consented" to "CNC", two loving adults having safe sex and capitalism (it is technically "consensual", which doesn't matter)
>>780113Those two were incarcerated on murder charges. They're not getting for ahwile.
>>780118did they kill proles or lumpen/pettybooj/boojs?
>>780116Who are you going around calling other people libs while having this much of paternalistic contempt for proles and especially a prole women who exerts autonomy over her own body and reproductive organs?
It was exactly this way of thinking (your kind of thinking) that let to prole women being subject to mass sterilization campaigns. Under capitalism there is no fundamental and qualitative difference between those people on this side of the fence and me on the other. I am not going to lecture women, especially those in cruel captivity, for exerting control over their own bodies, sorry.
>>780122Apparently they committed separate murders.
>>780128I am this
>>780113 so I congratulate this woman having a child
>>780113you guys are literally /pol/ but you replace aryan with prole. no, someone being working class doesnt make them automatically a good person, these 2 are criminals and probably will treat their kid like shit
>>780132The grandparents are raising that child anyways.
>>780132>criminalsyou are you defending the American gulag system?
>someone being working class doesnt make them automatically a good persongood persons don't exist and my point is that I am not really going to spend my time wokescolding proles instead of speaking about the wrongs of the bourgeoisie
>>780132>being working class doesnt make them automatically a good personWRONG
>>780133so theyre overworking their tired elderly parents just because theyre too irresponsible to think ahead? and the kids just supposed to grow up knowing both the parents are scumbags?
>>780134uygha they killed people. im sure youd have a different opinion if they had committed a crime that directly effected you, then you wouldnt be changing the subject to le bourgeoisie
>>780136What if they killed someone who was pregnant with the next hitler?
Surprised no one here is talking about how parenthood gives you additional rights in jail. Instead, a lot is talked about superstructural crap. There is something to be gained here, materially. Wasn't this supposed to be a marxist website?
>>780138Parenthood also gets you more in regular civilian life in my opinion. More privileges and more respect. Although it comes with more work unless you're like these two and pass on the responsibility to their own parents. But truthfully all parents pass the buck of child rearing to others in most cases. I mean you kind of have to to live in a society otherwise you end up with maladjusted people. You can't depend on biological parents for everything I don't think it's possible. Having said that I'd rather people not have children but not much you can do to stop people from breeding if they really want to.
>>780133The parents still have contact with their daughter through videocalls
>>780136>both the parents are scumbags?she literally killed her abusive husband that tried to shot her. And how they can be scumbags when they decided to rationally have a baby without even touching each other? That's true love, they talked through the months they were in the ameriKKKan gulag, and they fell in love, I have read an article and it moved me so much, such a beautiful relationship
https://wsvn.com/news/investigations/newly-released-video-jail-phone-calls-detail-miami-dade-inmates-plan-to-get-pregnant-without-physically-meeting/Watch this 5 minute video, it has interviews and such (it also features a black woman who is the director of miamo day correction, huge win for liberal feminism/antiracism!)
Idk the guy but Daisy Link is unfathomably based
>kill your abusive husband>get throw in jail>develop love through the vents>try to get pregnant multiple days a day and success>try to sue the prision to get out>trigger the gulag directors by saying "they should actually thank me, I have found a huge breach in their security, I haven'y even gotten a thank you yet" and get put in the psych unit for psychological torture>further expose how sick AmeriKKKa is>>780138She says in the call with her mom that she was motivated by that
>>780147Watch the video, they both seem like good people. He was probably put in prison by the WODiggers
>>780140Parenthood is the only job in the world where you’re forgiven for fucking up.
Our global culture of “respect your elders” gives parents a moral/social/legal blind spot to patronize/neglect their kids.
In fact there more complaints against parents giving children amenities.
People seem to have no problem with children being born en masse in cramped conditions
>>780140Parenthood should be sociolegally revamped.
Parents need to have mandatory third party adults to share legal authority of the children.
Our society has this bourgeois impression of child rearing where things are supposed to be anti worldly and hunky dory like in those family sitcoms
>>780155>>780156I hear a voice but I have no idea who it is. Guys who is this?
It's just pure sadism to pump out more children to support the baby business sector. Natalism is reactionary
>>780164It is true love + wanting to get out of prison
read the things posted here
>>780164Natalism is reactionary in how we objectify children as property and as avatars/alter egos of their parents
>>780164at this point im convinced that anyone having children in 2026 is just a genuine psychopath
>>780132>we need to do eugenics on criminalsTalk about sounding like /pol/.
>>780169Trvke. Children drain money and sanity. The toys and clothes you buy for them funnels your hard-earned money into the pockets of the bosses that control companies.
>>780174if you could choose your parents, would you ever choose 2 prisoners? what kind of life will that child lead? do you genuinely think its fair to bring a child into the world when they wont have a single chance to succeed?
1d4 = 3 + 4
1d6 = 2Test
>>780184>>780185Too scared to try? Watch these dubs
1d99 = 47 >>780182Do you think all prisoners should be sterilized?
>>780178Adults drain money and sanity way more than children do.
Adults buy products that goes to enrich corporations, but it’s ok because “Ima m adult therefore I can do what I want”
But because children don’t have rights, it’s considered ok to dismiss childrens personhood
>>780174>>780113Leftypol when two dysfunctional proles with criminal records and no job prospects decide to have kids : BASED
Leftypol when two young adults with no criminal record or mental illness choose to have kids: CRINGE
>>780190Do you think all mentally ill people should be sterilized?
>>780193You guys brand right wing people as mentally I’ll and needing sterilization
Also, I don’t understand why leftists are pronatalists while endorsing abortion and misopedia
>>780195Well, it's easy. As leftists we believe in women having the right to exert control over their own body and reproductive organs. So if a women decides to have a child she has the right to have a child and if she decides that she wants to terminate a pregnancy she has the right to terminate a pregancy. This is perfectly consistent, you see.
>>780196I too believe in female autonomy which is why I think there should birth control supplements in schools for teenage girls.
And it shouldn’t be left up to parental decision, especially fathers and/or religiopolitical conservatives.
But you see, a child in the womb is not some non person that can be easily rid of.
By this logic, adults whom are brain dead or disabled should also be killed when they become burdens on their family
>>780196>>780198I also believe that the decision to have kids should have mandatory homestead training.
Leftists like to talk about equality and justice but they fall into the same trap of objectifying Natalism like the right
>>780186 1d100 = 6Lets see
This chick would just keep having kids with criminal guys until she couldn't anymore. She had at least one kid with her abusive dead ex and then one with a guy who won't be out of prison for years. She doesn't really make good decisions but then again a lot of people don't especially in regards to sex or relationships. You go with what you can get.
>>780202HOW DO ROLL DICE???
>>780204it says in the faq section
>!XdY+Z rolls a X dices with Y faces, adding Z to the result >>780196except its not a decision that affects the woman solely. if you are a mentally ill criminal youre just going to abuse your child, leading to another mentally ill criminal in the world that will harm society
>>780081It's just pure instinct, like any other animal. Only us gays are freed from this bestial urge to procreate.
>>780211Passing cum rolled in a bag over a vent five times a day during a month is not basic instinct. They did not even touch each other
>>780209>will harm societyYou are a reformist
>>780228>>780211It would've made more sense if it was a bestial urge instead of whatever it actually is. At least if it's bestial you would've got to fuck
>>780228marx was a reformist
>>780228So I guess worrying about the potential conditions of children being born to dysfunctional adults is reformism huh?
>>780270Leftism is reformism relative to capitalism
>>780198>>780199>>780209Literally anti-choice and eugenicist talking points. What's happening here? Is this another sharty raid? The only thing that irks you people about this story that a female convict dared to exert her reproduce rights. No, convicts don't lose their reproductive rights, neither do patients, or members of any other marginalized group like poor people.
>>780081Communists should sterilize all criminals tbqh. These people are not even producing surplus value to billionaires so they have no use for society.
>>780081the fact almost no one ITT seems to realize the existence of a natural paternal/maternal instinct tells me you are all under 25 at most
this is such a weird random fringe news story why would you guys try to anal-yze it seriously.
>>780293That may be true but I think you got hold off on that if your facing 25+ years in prison. Maybe you need to realize that it's going to be a tad difficult being a mother or father while incarcerated.
>>780294Because it's funny. Or maybe it says something about society.
>>780287Exactly. It's either that criminals should be castrated or children born in jails should be adopted by another family so said children won't pick up criminal habits from their criminal biological parents
>>780283once again youre ignoring the rights of children because you dont wanna hurt the feefees of degenerate adults
>>780294We engage in ruthless criticism of all that exists
>>780343Children don't have "rights", no one has. Rights are englightened metaphysical liberalism
>>780293Retards here haven't read the story since the father pointed out his paternal instincts, he wanted to be a father
>>780287Yes, so communist, steralizing the proletarians affected by the ameriKKKan punitive system
>>780344if rights dont exist, then fuck her "reproductive rights" too, she can go fuck herself.
>>780347but by definition only selfish people have kids.
>>780081How the fuck did the sperm survive the environment of a fucking air vent???
Idk it seems like the prison guards let these two meet each other for some reason, got caught and fabricated this ridiculous story in order to not lose their jobs
>>780367they probably allowed them in exchange for watching through a peep hole or 2 way glass. your theory makes more sense than this cock and bull story.
>>780368If it was that easy why aren't there more cases like this?
>>780395Theirs a whole bunch of stories of prison guards having sex with inmates and even having babies with them. This is one of the few of two prisoners conceiving a child though. At least that I've heard of.
>>780413>Theirs a whole bunch of stories of prison guards having sex with inmates and even having babies with them.Idk how this is relevant
>At least that I've heard of.What other stories have you heard of? This one sounds real to me, they say that had been trying for a month, and if you watch the video above they both seem very genuine describing it
>>780229 wanting to procreate at all is the urge. IVF is bestial urge. Using fertility drugs is bestial.
>>780423
Read the fucking article retard, they talked through the vent and exchanged semen in a bag through there
>>780424virgin jacking of into bag vs Chad BBC snake dick vent fuck.
Sadly the baby will be low autism score too when the solution was so obvious, the semen will be tainted by microplastics.
>>780348>but by definition only selfish people have kids.the key is to have parents who are very hesitant and careful about creating life because it might create more suffering but then do it anyway because they feel that it is their duty to society, and then get lucky to and have a child without any extreme problems and helicopter parent the kid into adulthood.
That of course is historically very rare but increasingly common in the modern era.
>>780128Brutal clapback tbh
>>780293>>780344>Children don't have "rights", no one has. Rights are englightened metaphysical liberalismThen the prisoners don’t have rights to reporduce
>>780591Leftypol will get upset about college students having baby but they are ok with prisoners having one
>>780283> showing concern about children being born into dysfunctional environments to dysfunctional adults is eugenics >>780293The fact that you’re justifying prisoners having a baby with “parental instincts” and accusing everyone who disagrees with you as “being under twenty five” because “muh brain development “ theory tells me you’re an idealist
Irony is people like you would discourage young adults from having kids
>>780128Then why does Leftypol discourage young adults from sexual and reproductive activities
>>780128You’re forgetting that children are people. They require resources and stability
If it was non reproductive sex than that’s one thing
>>780344>Retards here haven't read the story since the father pointed out his paternal instincts, he wanted to be a fatherAnd you say “rights” are a liberal spook?
>>780293Leftypol dismisses parental instincts as spooks.
>>780594>Leftypol will get upset about college students having baby but they are ok with prisoners having oneHave you thought that maybe there are different people with different opinions here?
>Then the prisoners don’t have rights to reporduceRight. You need to be told what you are able to do or not?
>>780598I didn't say they were a spook, but they don't exist, whereas some people do have a desire to p/maternity
>>780602>Have you thought that maybe there are different people with different opinions here?Why do you guys always come up with this rationale whenever I expose any sort of logical inconsistency in the collective opinion?
You never bother give this sort of consideration towards right wing or liberal communities
>>780081All the people ITT defending two inmates having kids when they’re gonna stuck in their for life while the kid is being raised by elderly grandparents nearing the end of their life span should have no right to complain about teen pregnancy then
>>780617No? Because conseting adults having a child is fucking different from teen pregancy you sick fuck.
>>780596Children are people yes, but not at the moment of conception.
Test
>>780624How is it different if the two consenting adults in question are prisoners who will never see the light of day again
>>780626Then adults lose their personhood upon the moment of death
>>780293What's the difference between an instinct and a bestial urge? Either way it lowers humanity to the level of the simple critter.
>>780652Humans are animals after all
>>780642>How is it different if the two consenting adults in question are prisoners who will never see the light of day againSo if I am understanding correctly you think convicts should not be considered actual persons? Yes?
>>780655if convicts are people naturally they also have responsibilities, such as not having a child if you dont have the capacity to take care of them
>>780659>people naturally have responsibilitiesWrong. People don't naturally have rights or obligations, did hunter-gatherers have human rights and duties?
>>780662>dutiesabsolutely,or they fucking starve
>>780662the moment you start living in a society you have rights and responsibilities. if someone in the tribe didnt help gather food, theyd be punished
>>780655Convicts are people.
But it makes no sense to have kids in such a draconian environment.
>>780665>>780668Thank you. Idk what’s up with Leftypol having contempt for responsibilities and potential liabilities in the name of “spiting the bourgeoisie”
>>780668Leftypol patrons are naturally averse to natural responsibilities.
That’s why they celebrate NEETing and propose state-supplied GFs
They don’t earn their own luxuries
>>780662By your logic, society should be libertarian
I wonder if that dude will be able to rizz up some female guard in whatever jail he ends up in. Maybe end up with some more offspring.
They did nothing wrong and the antinatal fags in this thread should eat a bullet.
>>781932t. someone born into a privileged wealthy family who never had to struggle
>>781932I remember when LeftyPol was for responsible parenthood
Now they think proles in jail should be allowed to breed when they won’t be able to raise their kids.
>>781933This.
These are the same people who will then whine about women being impoverished by child rearing, in which they will blame patriarchy
I mean seriously, five years ago, the people praising a situation like this would be right wingers
Leftists want to make society more efficient but they praise incarcerated adults for willing to breed yet they think young people having kids is bad
>>781944Last time I checked they don't do those for you to get a driver's license, they're doing pratical tests, not asking a psychologist if you're allowed to breed (this is not gonna get abused I swear)
>>781933>>781935>I had a shitty childhood.>That's why I support eugenics and mass sterilization of women from marginalized backgrounds.ok
>>781944That's literal fascism, yes.
>>781952most people have shitty childhoods, and thats normal
whats not normal is a convict having a child when they cant even take care of them. thats neglect and child abuse
and this doesnt even fit as eugenics no matter which way you try to spin it. demanding people to have a little responsibility is nowhere near the same as mass genocide or sterilisation of people based on their race
>>781955You want people to undergo economical screening to be allowed to exert their reprodutive rights. What groups in contemporary American society for example do you think will disproportionally fail those screenings? You understand that you are using the same covert justification of every mass sterilization program in history like in those of Latin America?
>>781956youre shifting goalposts, no one is saying poor people shouldnt have kids, only that convicts, who are currently in jail and thus cannot PHYSICALLY take care of a child, shouldnt have kids, because that is child abuse.
>>781964if they held a democratic referendum over this do you think only autistic NEETs would vote agaisnt convicts having children? or 99% of society?
>>781956So you think it should be encouraged for dysfunctional adults to have kids?
>>781953Explain.
By your standards, compulsory law for childrens education is fascism
Making people take competency tests for driving is fascism
>>781955This
These guys think that kids should not be allowed to have a say in their curriculum but they will allow dysfunctional adults to breed
>>781966Never mind them.
Just ask if compulsory law should still be applicable for schooling
>>781970Why have you all avoided this question?
>What groups in contemporary American society for example do you think will disproportionally fail those screenings? >>781955I’m starting to think that Leftypol has become right wing
The animosity towards porn?
The complaints about singlehood?
The animosity towards parental competency training?
These were right wing sentiments a decade ago
>>781976FYI white people will fail as well.
You wanting to spin this into a racial issue is pathetic
>>781978You answer my question: is it ok for adults with no means nor autonomy or good reputation to have kids?
If so, what’s so different about teen pregnancy?
>>781954Their definition of child abuse is kids watching TikTok for fifteen minutes
>>781977>The animosity towards porn?Radical leftism has alway been opposed to the sex industry, just like any other exploitative industry.
>The complaints about singlehood?Radical leftism has always sought to address social alienation.
>The animosity towards parental competency training?Radical leftism has always sought to fight for emancipation for women, especially when it comes to reproductive rights and sought to defend the rights of marginalized groups such as convicts.
The only right-winger here is you.
>>781980>If so, what’s so different about teen pregnancy?You are saying that convicts should be stripped of their autonomy and treated like children?
the obvious solution to a problem like this is prison abolition
>>781979Cool, so it's not racism if like 70-90% of the people having their reproductive rights stripped away and like 10-30% end up being white people or something? Just a random question, do you think that Israel is an apartheid state when 20% of its citizens are Arabs/Palestineans? If not, why are you using zionist arguments?
>>781983Yes.
As a convict you lose rights
>>781982You talk about defending marginalized groups but you actively encourage disenfranchisement of young people
>>781987That’s why we should offer life skill training.
You’re willfully offended by the idea that parenting isn’t automatic competency
>>781984You’re forgetting that prisoners may have picked up bad habits or suffer cognitive damage from such an environment
They’re gonna need rehab
>>781987Why do you act like children are a commodity to have?
They’re people, not property
>>781993Leftism is when you care more about kids watching some weird surreal video on TikTok than having them born into shanty houses with no amenities or access to education
>>781993Ask me this:
Would be tolerant of teen pregnancy or would you do immediate sterilization?
Just because someone is an adult doesn’t mean they should be encouraged to procreate without having the means to care for themselves and another human being
>>781983Not being allowed to procreate in jail is not the same as being stripped of your rights
>>781994Embryos aren't children. These are literally pro-life arguments now.
>>781999Then what’s the upset about convicts not being allowed to breed then?
You don’t respect the personhood of the unborn
If fetuses are not alive then offering birth control pills isn’t eugenics
>>781997It literally is a right being stripped of you, yes.
>>781995This is a funny strawman but usually the same people who support surveillance technology on apps like tiktok usually are the same people that support the prison-industrial complex the police state and the the marginalization of convicts. In fact in the US with the attack on women's reproductive rights we are seeing the surveillance states getting employed directly to watch women seeking out reproductive healthcare.
>>781999You are pro-Natalism which is pro-life
>>782000This thread isn't about birth control pills and it's also not about shitty life lesson seminars, it's about whether convicts, especially female convicts deserve control over their own reproductive organs. Either you agree with that or you don't.
>>782002Nope, I am not. Supporting the right to choose for women and being pro-choice is not pro-natalist. Women are allowed to choose not to have children.
>>782001> It literally is a right being stripped of you, yes. You seriously put procreation on the same level as having the right to a nice warm bed and healthy food?
But ok if you feel so strongly about this, you shouldn’t discourage teen pregnancy.
> This thread isn't about birth control pills and it's also not about shitty life lesson seminars, it's about whether convicts, especially female convicts deserve control over their own reproductive organs. Either you agree with that or you don't.Would you be ok if we have babies born to female convicts en masse with no resources?
Answer me that
>>782004And people like you are encouraging them to have kids without any prior life planning
>>782005>You seriously put procreation on the same level as having the right to a nice warm bed and healthy food?This is a very nice dichotomy unfortunately it's a false one.
>But ok if you feel so strongly about this, you shouldn’t discourage teen pregnancy.That's a cute false equivalency but you seem to fundamentally not understand the pro-choice position and that adult women are not teenagers for some reason and up until this point you were not able to coherently explain why you think like this.
>>782006I am not encouraging anyone to do anything and neither is supporting women and their fundamental rights. In case you didn't know that but the parts of the planet where people share my position and support women and their rights to control their own bodies also happen to be the places on this planet where the least amount of unwanted pregnancies, including teen pregancies happen, in case you didn't know that. Now you know.
>>782007> That's a cute false equivalency but you seem to fundamentally not understand the pro-choice position and that adult women are not teenagers for some reason and up until this point you were not able to coherently explain why you think like this.Adult females are not teenagers yes, but that doesn’t mean they’re mature if they don’t have the means to raise a child.
A female convict has the competency level of a preteen in terms of child rearing
They’re gonna have to get a lot of special permissions and have to cross their fingers about choosing adoptive agencies for their kids
> This is a very nice dichotomy unfortunately it's a false one.You’re putting procreation as a necessity on par with food water and clean air
You’re making false priorities here
You seem to care more about allowing female convicts to flex adult privileges rather than encouraging female convicts to get life skill training to become good parents
>>782007You seem to care about allowing incompetent adults to flex their age-based privileges rather than making them into functioning members of society
This is the real essence of bourgeois
“Fuck you Im an adult therefore I should do this regardless if it hurts everyone else because I’m an adult”
>>782009>Adult females are not teenagers yes, but that doesn’t mean they’re mature if they don’t have the means to raise a child.Well, there goes the mask. You are just a misogynist who views adult women as full people but children.
>You’re putting procreation as a necessity on par with food water and clean air.No, I am not talking about procreation. I am talking about bodily autonomy, very important distinction here and yes, bodily autonomy and the right to control your own organs in my opinion is a very important fundamental right.
>You seem to care more about allowing female convicts to flex adult privilegesBodily autonomy is not a privilege but a right.
You are just a misogynist who doesn't see adult woman as full people and convicts as actual humans. You are not a leftist, pal.
>>782011> Well, there goes the mask. You are just a misogynist who views adult women as full people but children.How is what I said misogynistic?
Again, if an adult female cannot provide for a child, why have one?
Same for adult males.
You Leftypoltards like to use racism and sexism card for every opinion that doesn’t appeal to your squeaky feels
If anything the fact you say “not full people but children” is misopedia
You don’t view children as people
Also, I specifically said procreation.
Having an baby goes beyond just “it’s my body”
You are caring for another person
You’re he one who doesn’t view children as people
Would you be ok with allowing men to breed in prison?
>>782011Where and how is a female convict gonna be able to raise a child in prison?
Explain.
>>781987lmfao youre the one being racist you schizo. so all black people are convicts?
we are just saying that people who are in jail shouldnt be irresponsible and have kids. we arent even talking ex convicts or anything else, just people who are currently in jail.
>>782017This
Leftypol likes to pull the race and gender card for appeal to suffrage not realizing that it encourages said discrimination through a more patronizing softhanded form of racism
>>782017>lmfao youre the one being racist you schizo. so all black people are convicts?Ah yes, the classic racist switch-up 'you are the real racist for talking about how a policy negatively affects, minority groups if you were a non-racist like me, you'd be colorblind'. Recognizing that policies that attack certain marginalized groups overproportionally affect people of color is not racism, it is the opposite. Color-blindness is silent complicity and has been passé for like 4 decades, come on buddy.
>>782019Talking about leftypol in third person doesn't really help your case buddy and just strengthens the assumption that you are just another stupid raider from a reactionary community, pol, sharty, whatever, which you know fits the whole pattern of advocating against the rights of convicts, women and women convicts.
>>782022You assuming that I’m from sharty or pop just because I’m against jail-born babies is really sad.
But ok, we should have babies be born and raised in brothels, trap houses, cults, etc
Most people from moderate positions are rightfully concerned about convicts raising children in jail
>>782020So you admit that you assume convicts are largely ethnic.
And you assume that my reasoning is racially based
So you’re proving my point that you care more about allowing people to flex their adult privileges by virtue of being an minority rather than if they’re competent
>>782027>So you admit that you assume convicts are largely ethnic.I am not assuming anything. When it comes to female convicts it's a majority of non-white women that are being marginalized by the prison industrial complex in the US.
>And you assume that my reasoning is racially basedI do since you just employed the raceblindness talking point which exposed you as a racist but actually this is irrelevant. A racist system can be perpetuated and upheld even by people who aren't like full-blown and ideological white surpremacists.
>>782024I am assuming that you are sharty or pol because you are a misogynist and compare women to children, you employ pro-life talking points, you talk about leftypol and leftypolers in third person and you are agreeing with reacionary rhetoric using expressions such as 'racecard' and 'sexcard' when being called out on your bigotry.
>But ok, we should have babies be born and raised in brothels, trap houses, cults, etcSo now you basically abandon all your original arguments at once (lol) greatly increase the circle of women you want to strip of their reproductive rights, way beyond convicts for some reason, exposing yourself as a full-blown misogynist which just confirms virtually everything I have said so far.
>Most people from moderate positions are rightfully concerned about convicts raising children in jailThe moderate position in the US is to oppose sterilization of convicts and yes an overwhelming majority of Americans supports pro-choice. You are not a moderate buddy.
If you defend the procreative rights of convicts, then we should stop stigmatizing young adults wanting to start families
>>782037Women aren't children. Convicts have bodily autonomy. You are a misogynist, a racist and likely also a pedophile.
>>782020>dont have kids if youre in jail<youre racist!literal debate addict brainrot.
>>782036Americans are too obsessed with breeding
And most moderates are against babies being born in prison which is not the same as sterilization
And you calling me a misogynist for not wanting female convicts to breed or allowing babies to be born in seedy environments is especially funny when said women often get abortions
And if you read my posts, I was for mandatory parental training which is only natural for babies born in said environments
And you’re the one who pulled up the racist and misogynistic card
You’re the one projecting
What if said convicts were in jail for murder or rape
>>782039This.
The guy has been calling me a misogynist and racist for questioning the ethicality of allowing kids to be born in toxic environments
>>782039You are a racist for wanting to strip women convicts and overrepresented marginalized groups from their reproductive rights, yes, even if you yourself are trying to justify it to yourself with faux-progressivism. The sterilization program enacted by the Swedish social democrats overwhelmingly targeting Romani women was just as racist as the one against native women in Peru.
I don't particular want anybody to have children. But sometimes I wonder if we should just pair people up with each other and make them, not necessarily through force, have a kid or two. But we sterilize them after two. I don't know exactly how to make this work if possible, maybe start by creating some marriage board that sets people up for arranged marriages, but I think this might actually be beneficial for people in the long run.
>>782040You are a misogynist for comparing women to children, yes.
>>782038I never said women are children.
I said that women shouldn’t have kids if they cannot afford any. Same goes for men.
Otherwise it’s no different from teen pregnancy
Adulthood isn’t about flexing your privilege by virtue of age. Why are you Leftypol folk so willfully ignorant of this?
And how am I a pedo?
>>782042no one is defending sterilisation dipshit. she can have kids if she wants once shes out of jail
you argue like a fucking ancap, do you also think driving licenses are oppressive and racist?
>>782044Where did I do that?
That’s your assumption.
You can only come up with accusations of racism sexism and pedophilia because I explain in full detail why it’s not good to raise kids in jail
>>782047A woman's body is not like a fucking car, it isn't an external object, you misogynist.
>>782049you need a drivers license so you dont kill people. you need to be a responsible parent so you dont abuse your child. basic premise that you somehow still cant understand
>>782047This. Leftypol cries too much about oppression and excess from bourgeois but then they wanna adapt the same entitlement syndrome of the bourgeois for the proletariat
>>782049He didn’t .
>>782052I agree that bearing live young is not a "natural right" and should require that the parents prove themselves first somehow. How, I don't know and don't care
because I am gay lololol >>782052I suggested that and Leftypol anons get upset about it
Leftypol thinks that having rights should not come with burden of competency
>>782046>And how am I a pedo?The pedo thing is based on the fact that you seem to have a fixation on teenage girls and deploy two rhetoric strategies that are very common among pedophila apologists:
The first rhetoric strategy is the attempt to erase the distinction between adulthood and childhood which is often done with similar faux-progressive talking points that on the surface seek to strengthen the autonomy of children.
The second rhetoric strategy is to use examples of child abuse to create a sort of literal scapegoat to absolve yourself from your sins, create a weird distinction between the 'good pedophile' and the 'other childabusers', in this case being already criminal child abusers.
>>782052That's cool and all but you are comparing a women's body and her control over it to a piece of machinery that needs a license for operation which is like incredibly objectifying, in like the literal sense of the word objectifying,lmaooo
>>782058youre just covering your ears and choosing what you want to hear
>>782058I am covering my ears because of the disgusting misogyny your are shouting.
>>782057I bring up teen pregnancy because female convicts having babies is the same level as that. It’s not pedophilia and you don’t seem to care about childrens autonomy anyway seeing that you don’t mind them born in seedy environments
>>782064>I bring up teen pregnancy because female convicts having babies is the same level as thatNo it isn't. Adult women aren't children.
>you don’t seem to care about childrens autonomy anyway seeing that you You just keep re-affirming anything I have said so far with any further post you make.
I know exactly what you are. I ain't gonne be impressed by your false comparisons and 100 year old pro-eugenicism arguments.
>>782057Also, nowadays, eighteen thru twenty four is being considered children which people like you are championing
>>782066Well, here we go, I unironically was doubting you and it took 100 posts but you can always count on online pedophiles like you to steer any conversation towards age of consent discourse. Congratulations.
>>782065> No it isn't. Adult women aren't children.Never Sai they were
Adults having children if they’re incarcerated is the same level of teen pregnancy
If it’s not, how can a female convict go to the store to buy milk without having to get special permission?
How can a female convict take her child to go outside to play?
How can a female convict be allowed to work without special permission?
>>782049Yeah you're not arguing in good faith.
>>782069Are you comparing women's bodies to machinery in good faith or bad faith? Well, in the end it is irrevelant for it to be highly misogynistic, you know.
>>782069This. They’re throwing around “misogyny “ “pedophilia” and “racism” as indignatory exclamations because they cannot come up with good arguments
>>782072He didn’t. And you know it. Besides Leftypol compares men to objects all the time even shamelessly suggesting aborting human male fetuses and making wars to get rid of “excess” males.
There’s more misandrist terms used here that isn’t called out than misogynistic terms
>>782067People like you unironically believe young adults are infants that shouldn’t be allowed to have families
The fact you refer to me as a pedophile suggests that you see 18-24 as children
>>780164>>780169>>780178the average imperial core worker was treated just as bad if not worse in 1850s england when marx had 7 kids. so i think the problem here isn't having kids, but guaranteeing a quality of life for those kids. but only people of a certain class can afford to give kids a quality of life. so the problem is class, not having kids. setting that aside I do think it makes more sense to have 1 or 2 kids instead of more than that. i.e. for society to continue functioning in its current form you do need to replace the workers 1 for 1, whether that is done under a commuinst or capitalist global economy is besides the point. Humanity's future depends on humans reproducing themselves. If your goal isn't a future of communism, but the extinction of a miserable humanity, then you are an antinatalist, not a communist. I don't say this as an insult. I get why you feel that way but there can be no reconciling an ideology that thinks humanity should have a future, with an ideology that thinks humanity should go extinct. There is also no political will to implement anti natalism successfully. Even the most optimistic victory scenario for anti natalists is just reducing the population by billions through forced sterilization. But some people will be determined to escape that regime and reproduce anyway. So the "problem" will continue.
>>782105There’s this anon on here justifying alllowing women to have kids in a poor state of living.
He thinks that questioning this is misogyny
>if you allow convicts to have children, then you should allow teens to have children too because… you just should okay???!
>If you're life isn't 100% (I'm the sole arbiter of what is perfect BTW), you shouldn't be allowed to have kids.
>Actually nobody should be allowed to have kids.
>Also teens should be allowed to have kids.
>Also I'm the only person who cares about kids which is why I would ban everyone from reproducing
What level of Reddit are we dealing with?
Leftypoltards will literally bust your balls if you dare to have kids in a way that doesn't meet their guideline and still think that 1984 gorg orwell is a fantastical scenario, half of you people are little Himmlers just dying to be a petty concentration camp bureaucrat lording over the rest of us
Total Prole Sterilization
>inb4 fascist
Think about the children. Proles cannot afford a decent upbringing for their offspring.
>>782347>>782349>>782350I think a large part if not most people need and desire some kind of benevolent dictator to help them run their lives. I don't think that's a completely disagreeable opinion and it makes sense. Unfortunately most would be dictators are not very good people or particularly competent they're just opportunists with no clear vision who are often very mentally unwell.
>>782347Leftypol literally encourages broke people to breed to spite the bourgeois not accounting for hygiene, safety, and influences
>>782416Tbh from my perspective having an external party dertermine who gets to breed and who doesn't is way too totalitarian for comfort.
>>782424Leftypol is pro totalitarian when it comes to sexual prospects and money but when it comes to reproduction they wanna open the floodgates
>>782347Yet you see no problem with wanting to arrest people for loli
>>782349Leftypol encourages lumpen to procreate but will go full fash over shota loli
Convicts having kids has material consequences
Loli does not
>You don't want to ban people from having kids? Fucking fascist, I bet you also want to outlaw loli.
How the fuck are these two connected, you absolutely dense motherfucker? Are you confusing people for some boogeyman of yours?
>Most people can't do anything without an authoritarian figure lording over them
Okay, how do you make sure your policies don't get abused by the chuds? How do you even implement the "nobody is allowed to marry and have babies anymore because I personally find it icky" policies without a very authoritarian worldwide government with a massive army? What to do with those who break those laws? What about the women who are already pregnant when the law gets passed, do they get rounded up for abortion?
>Leftypol literally encourages broke people to breed to spite the bourgeois not accounting for hygiene, safety, and influences
You sound like a eugenicist, no offense. Why are you so sure that this time we'll do it right?
So this chick might not even go to prison in the end. I didn't check the most recent news stories and she's getting another trial. Something about the evidence not being properly given in her first trial caused the verdict to get thrown out. She might just be able to raise her child after all. She also assaulted another inmate while in jail.
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