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Here we share our darkest sentiments that would rub the general leftist community the wrong way
63 posts and 9 image replies omitted.

>>790287
I actually agree with that, but I want you to expand on the second sentence.

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>>790286
"Dengism" is just Marxism, Marxism is inescapable

Marx was more Dengist than Deng:

>I have, which will surprise you not a little, been speculating—partly in American funds, but more especially in English stocks, which are springing up like mushrooms this year (in furtherance of every imaginable and unimaginable joint stock enterprise), are forced up to a quite unreasonable level and then, for the most part, collapse. In this way, I have made over £400 and, now that the complexity of the political situation affords greater scope, I shall begin all over again. It's a type of operation that makes small demands on one's time, and it's worth while running some risk in order to relieve the enemy of his money.


Karl Marx, Letter to Lion Philips. 25 June 1864, preserved in Marx-Engels Collected Works, Vol. 41

Deng was more Marxist than Marx:

>I am convinced that more and more people will come to believe in Marxism, because it is a science. Using historical materialism, it has uncovered the laws governing the development of human society. Feudal society replaced slave society, capitalism supplanted feudalism, and, after a long time, socialism will necessarily supersede capitalism. This is an irreversible general trend of historical development, but the road has many twists and turns. Over the several centuries that it took for capitalism to replace feudalism, how many times were monarchies restored! So, in a sense, temporary restorations are usual and can hardly be avoided. Some countries have suffered major setbacks, and socialism appears to have been weakened. But the people have been tempered by the setbacks and have drawn lessons from them, and that will make socialism develop in a healthier direction. So don't panic, don't think that Marxism has disappeared, that it's not useful any more and that it has been defeated. Nothing of the sort!


Deng Xiaoping, Excerpts From Talks Given In Wuchang, Shenzhen, Zhuhai And Shanghai, 1992

Consider Lenin:

>We made the mistake of deciding to go over directly to communist production and distribution. We thought that under the surplus-food appropriation system the peasants would provide us with the required quantity of grain, which we could distribute among the factories and thus achieve communist production and distribution […] brief experience convinced us that that line was wrong, that it ran counter to what we had previously written about the transition from capitalism to socialism, namely, that it would be impossible to bypass the period of socialist accounting and control in approaching even the lower stage of communism […] our theoretical literature has been definitely stressing the necessity for a prolonged, complex transition through socialist accounting and control from capitalist society (and the less developed it is the longer the transition will take) to even one of the approaches to communist society. […] Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.


Lenin, The New Economic Policy, 1921


>To make things even clearer, let us first of all take the most concrete example of state capitalism. Everybody knows what this example is. It is Germany. Here we have “the last word” in modern large-scale capitalist engineering and planned organization, subordinated to Junker-bourgeois imperialism. Cross out the words in italics, and in place of the militarist, Junker, bourgeois, imperialist state put also a state, but of a different social type, of a different class content; a Soviet state, that is, a proletarian state, and you will have the sum total of the conditions necessary for socialism. Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organization, which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries). At the same time socialism is inconceivable unless the proletariat is the ruler of the state. This also is ABC. And history (which nobody, except Menshevik blockheads of the first order, ever expected to bring about “complete” socialism smoothly, gently, easily and simply) has taken such a peculiar course that it has given birth in 1918 to two unconnected halves of socialism existing side by side like two future chickens in the single shell of international imperialism.


Lenin, “Left-Wing” Childishness, 1918

>For socialism is merely the next step forward from state-capitalist monopoly. Or, in other words, socialism is merely state-capitalist monopoly which is made to serve the interests of the whole people and has to that extent ceased to be capitalist monopoly.


Lenin, The Impending Catastrophe and How to Combat It, Section Titled: Can We Go Forward If We Fear To Advance Towards Socialism?, 1917


BUT BUT BUT I hear you say:

<The NEP was a highly restricted temporary measure to get the Soviet Union from emerging capitalism to higher-stage capitalism, so that they could then step in and move to socialism.


it's easy to declare that the NEP ended in 1928 after Stalin rose to power, but in practice the USSR continued accepting foreign capital investment all through the 1930s. The USSR was doing "Dengism" the whole time. Consider:

<"The modern factories that defeated the Germans in World War II had their origin in the many technical agreements signed with foreign firms […] By March 1930 the [USSR] had signed 104 contracts. Of the 104, 81 were with American or German companies […] Over 400 American engineers made the architectural drawings for the Magnitogorosk plant, the largest project in the First Five-Year Plan. […] In May 1930, McKee waws hired to supervise the construction as well. By 1931, 250 American engineers were working on the project […] McKee brought in engineers from General Electric to work on the huge electrical installation. New open-hearth furnaces were designed by the Freyn Company […] the American Morgan Engineering Company […] and the German Demag A-G.”


Walter Dunn Jr., The Soviet Economy and the Red Army 1930-1945, 1995



<Certain comrades affirm that the Party acted wrongly in preserving commodity production after it had assumed power and nationalized the means of production in our country. They consider that the Party should have banished commodity production there and then. In this connection they cite Engels, who says: "With the seizing of the means of production by society, production of commodities is done away with, and, simultaneously, the mastery of the product over the producer". These comrades are profoundly mistaken. Let us examine Engels' formula. Engels' formula cannot be considered fully clear and precise, because it does not indicate whether it is referring to the seizure by society of all or only part of the means of production, that is, whether all or only part of the means of production are converted into public property. Hence, this formula of Engels' may be understood either way. Elsewhere in Anti-Duhring Engels speaks of mastering "all the means of production," of taking possession of "all means of production." Hence, in this formula Engels has in mind the nationalization not of part, but of all the means of production, that is, the conversion into public property of the means of production not only of industry, but also of agriculture. It follows from this that Engels has in mind countries where capitalism and the concentration of production have advanced far enough both in industry and in agriculture to permit the expropriation of all the means of production in the country and their conversion into public property. Engels, consequently, considers that in such countries, parallel with the socialization of all the means of production, commodity production should be put an end to. And that, of course, is correct. There was only one such country at the close of the last century, when Anti-Duhring was published - Britain. There the development of capitalism and the concentration of production both in industry and in agriculture had reached such a point that it would have been possible, in the event of the assumption of power by the proletariat, to convert all the country's means of production into public property and to put an end to commodity production.


Stalin, Economic Problems of the USSR, 1951

In short, "Dengism" AKA is inescapable until you have a global revolution that puts an AES state in a hegemonic position where the US used to be… Just like worker-owned cooperatives get criticized for existing in a national capitalist economy, AES states get criticized for existing in a global capitalist economy. Ultimately the critique of how any AES country operates within the capitalist global economy is the same as the critique of the worker co-op in a regional or national capitalist context. You say 'they are still doing capitalism' when really you are complaining 'they still exist in a capitalist world.'

>>790805
Social, cultural, legal and economic aubeautiful lady😍🥰omy

Social media is over blamed for all faux pas.
Not to say it doesn't have it's faults but most of it is pre-existing social ailments that weren't as conveniently noticed.

Also, the loneliness epidemic is overstated maybe exaggerated.
People still hang out with friends doing idle things
It's just that socialization is constantly moralized.

People need to learn appreciate solitude

Life is a curse more than a gift

Most posters here are just misanthropes who happen to be class conscious

>>790894
Most imageboard users are misanthropes that use politics as a crutch for a social life

NEETdom should not be tolerated
It’s one thing to hate your job but if you hate working in general, why should we feed you?
All the luxuries of society were built by work

The promotion of NEETing is just entitlement syndrome for people abusing leftism for their own selfish purposes

NEETs would turn on commies in an instant if they’re told they cannot get their treats


>>791334
What if you only want to work like two days a week or 3 hours a day? What if you work for 8 or 10 or even just two years straight and decided to quit for whatever reason, what then? Or do you just mean the stereotypical neet in their 20s or 30s who's seemingly never had a job and just games all day?

>>791381
It depends on the type of job
If it’s a high-risk job, then yes I would mandate a reduction of work hours for safety reasons.

If you’re a single parent with no third party adults to help in child rearing, also yes (on certain conditions)

Otherwise no.

>>791334
>>791382
what about people who opt out of working for the sake of protesting against the failings of the system under which they reside? sure, such rationalization could be lazily adopted by he who is just interested in eschewing work entirely in favor of leisure activities, but almost anything can be appropriated and disabused of its intended application.

basically, I don't blame NEETs, unless they really just don't want to work at anything. most NEETs are just the victims of poor circumstances, and would jump at the opportunity to have fulfilling work, provided it met their needs and their definition of fulfilling.

i.e. what you might call a waste of time, others might call a purpose; I myself would jump at the chance to be instructed by great virtuoso guitarists and learn how to myself become a great guitarist. such an endeavor would require a lot of hard work, but this effort can't really be compared and contrasted to the sort of industrial work that keeps society running, the conditions are too different. further, can you really say that industrial work is leagues more valuable than simple mastery over a musical instrument? propaganda requires the ability to craft media, which requires talented individuals who understand the appeal of media; the artists of the world then are many leagues more valuable in this regard than the standard issue truck driver or water sanitation worker or warehouse worker.

'work' doesn't have to mean 'employment' and not all activities are universally applicable in their utility, so it's futile to develop some sort of tiered system for 'effort put into any worthwhile human endeavor'

>>791392
Now you’re just rationalizing not wanting to work.
Artists have to work too. They put in hours and have to live in poverty or being broke and a lot of them rarely go gold.

And for to put artists above blue collar workers is laughable

Your logic is part of the problem

>>791392
Would you be sympathetic to abolishing compulsive law for schooling?
Not all kids are cut out for school.
Some are better off doing light labor or living off the land

>>791334
…and it wouldnt, even in a communist society.

>>791392
>basically, I don't blame NEETs, unless they really just don't want to work at anything. most NEETs are just the victims of poor circumstances, and would jump at the opportunity to have fulfilling work, provided it met their needs and their definition of fulfilling.

Which is why I say NEETdom should be consoled and rehabilitated

>>791400
Leftypol seems to have a hard time understanding this unfortunately

>>790626
>It’s only later that you saw repression of said content, which coincided with the general turn towards online censorship as the internet became an increasingly monetised venue as corpo brought their moneyed interests in.

That all started around 2007 - 2012

>>791408
Hence why I say communism and fascism are similar than different

>>791408
And let’s not forget that USSR also were persecuting Jews as well
Alot of Jewish migration to the west were from Eastern Europe during the Cold War era

>>791395
don't @ me with your poor reading comprehension.
>>791396
maybe, I don't know. perhaps a certain level of reform would be more appropriate, because I think that most everyone would benefit from a universally applied curriculum, i.e. you need to know how to read, write, do basic mathematics, and so on. this curriculum could be hashed out, but I think I support the broader discussion of whether or not people should be free to exit the halls of academia in favor of more "hands on work"; however, such work would merely take place in a different kind of classroom with different lessons to be learned.

academia has its problems, but then so too does the workplace; currently, why drop out of high school or refrain from going to college in favor of joining a trade when it's possible you'll toil for subpar pay and less than ideal rights and benefits simply because you're not represented by a union or a worker's co-operative, and because the world tends to discriminate against youth? might as well endure four more years of book learnin' so you can increase your chances of getting a better job, in terms of some specific benefit, whether it be more pay or better working conditions or less overall hours, etc.

>>791415
>might as well endure four more years of book learnin' so you can increase your chances of getting a better job, in terms of some specific benefit, whether it be more pay or better working conditions or less overall hours, etc.

That’s a common misconception
Most college graduates end up in dead end jobs and get subpar pay and long hours and they’re saddled with debt

Your post reads as rationalization for your bias against work while wanting to keep schooling as mandatory

Anti work has far more consequences than anti school

Work is what makes society possible
School is just so people can be efficient workers
People lost sight of this some years ago, treating school as some mandatory spiritual pilgrimage not unlike church


>>791415

>academia has its problems, but then so too does the workplace; currently, why drop out of high school or refrain from going to college in favor of joining a trade when it's possible you'll toil for subpar pay and less than ideal rights and benefits simply because you're not represented by a union or a worker's co-operative, and because the world tends to discriminate against youth?


Academia has more persistent problems.
Bullying and grooming and delinquent students being allowed to wreak havoc and lazy/biases teachers

Also trades right now have decent pay and give you a skillset that makes you less likely to be passed over from “overqualification” and trades are less paternalistic towards young people

Idk if you notice but currently, secondary school teachers tend to talk down to students like they’re toddlers
No joke. They use therapy speak toward students.
A lot of teachers also seem averse to students having non-liberal opinions

>>791415
If you’re unsure about abolishing compulsive law for schools, then why should I be ok with permitting NEETing?
It will encourage drug abuse, petty theft, and plain old egocentrism (not narcissism, that’s different)

>>791420
>>791421
I do not have a bias against work, and my post should read like I would be interested in exploring post primary education avenues for entry into various work sectors because that is what I said.
>Most college graduates end up in dead end jobs and get subpar pay and long hours and they’re saddled with debt
I don't think this is true, although I'm sure it depends on various details, like the person's specific concentration/degree as well as their willingness to relocate in order to take advantage of job opportunities, among other things. Generally, you're more likely to get better paying work as a college graduate than that of a person who didn't attend college or a drop out.
>work is what makes society possible
>school is just so people can be efficient workers
Do you support a reduction of the work week? Something like a 4 day work week, for example? Do you support mandatory vacation time for workers? What other rights and benefits do you think working class people should be able to enjoy? Do you support the notion of having healthcare being tied to one's employment?
>>791425
What's your point? Do you believe that such problems are insurmountable? Do you believe that the existence of such problems ultimately renders education a redundant pursuit?
>>791427
You don't have to be ok with anything. NEETdom doesn't encourage those things just because you say it does.

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>>790286
"Unpopular Opinions Thread" is just a way for people to show how edgy they are, post ragebait, and scare the hoes


>>791431
>What's your point? Do you believe that such problems are insurmountable? Do you believe that the existence of such problems ultimately renders education a redundant pursuit?

Well, you’re the one sympathizing with antiwork, so I bring up schooling because work isn’t the only realm with problems
Work is essential for society, schooling isn’t, at least not by itself

>You don't have to be ok with anything. NEETdom doesn't encourage those things just because you say it does.


And you don’t have to be ok with school dropouts entering work early
Dropping out of school doesn’t encourage reactionary sentiments just because you thinks it does

>I don't think this is true, although I'm sure it depends on various details, like the person's specific concentration/degree as well as their willingness to relocate in order to take advantage of job opportunities, among other things. Generally, you're more likely to get better paying work as a college graduate than that of a person who didn't attend college or a drop out


Why then do so any college graduates complain about not getting paid for their skillset? Why do they constantly go “woulda coulda shoulda” all the time?
Why are so many college graduates stuck bagging groceries or doing warehouse work to pay off their student loans?
Also you’re forgetting that time is not limited and not every college student have a stable domicile.

Also, not everyone is cut out for college

College is overpromoted as some freeman’s license

As someone whose hung out with both college graduates and blue collar workers, I find there’s more stable successful blue workers than college graduates

A lot of blue collar workers have their own homes, own their own vehicles, and don’t have any debt other than credit card debt



>>791433
Most “unpopular” opinions aren’t unpopular at all. Also “scare the hoes away”?
The hoes are just as vindictive and edgy but it’s excused as long as they’re young, docile, and beautiful, right?

Everyone has vindications, no matter how beautiful they seem

You must rape
You must rape the bouregoise's wife, and then is mother, his sister, his aunts and grandmother. You much rape his children and his grand children. His father too along with his brother and favorite uncle. Why even spare his pets or friends? The prole will only be free when they realize they MUST rape the bourgeoise. Not symbolicaly. Not metaphorically. Not ideologically. But MATERIALLY face rape Porky McPorkerson II, dialectically and without consent.

>>791433
Hoes gotta stop being pussies

>>791439
pretty sure this is a bot or something. am I just arguing with bots?

>>791478
Not every opinion you dislike is made by bots or glowies

>>791464
Hoes have pussies

>>791488
Yeah well if you're not a bot, then you sure as hell sound like one, because you didn't address any of the questions I asked you, and furthermore spewed what amounts to "nuh uh" onto your keyboard, so as far as I'm concerned, you may as well be a bot or a glowie.

>>791541
>you must be a bot because you dare to disagree with me

Typical imageboard users
You act more like a bot with your accusations of “glowie” “bot” “fascist” whenever someone suggests opinions that don’t conform to your welfare capitalist ideas

>>791541
Just admit that you wanna rationalize antiwork for bohemian pursuits

>>791578
>>791581
whatever you say, glowie bot.

I hope you all die for not doing another revolution yet

>>791582
Same to you NEETdom sympathizer

>>791584
Don’t worry these people are gonna kill themselves for not getting a gf

>>791586
so are you going to answer my questions or not? I am curious about the sort of retardation you'd spew, so feel free to take your posts more seriously any time. I may or may not respond.

>>791588
I already did.
You’re just mad that I don’t agree with your opinions about rationalizing compulsive law for schooling but wanting to sympathize NEETing

>>791590
no you did not. you can say that you did all day until you're blue in the face but I read your posts and to be quite frank they do not deserve a reply. I assume that your answer is 'no, I am not going to seriously respond' and that's fine.

>>791584
"are NEETs real, real, real communists?" is a question far more important to answer than gay shit like "organizing"

>>791603
this is true.
also there must be a constant debate on weather pedos are actually good or not

>>791607
Exactly, we should start another one of those debates right now even

>>791592
Again, you’re the one who responds with rebuttals when I clarified why I think NEETing is wrong

And you clarified to me why you think schooling should be mandatory rather than optional

You have your opinion and I have mine

>>791592
Tell me then why should NEETing be sympathized but compulsive schooling should be non negotiable

Work is more important to society than schooling

Schools only exist because of labor

If everyone decided to check out of work, whose gonna drive the buses? Whose gonna teach the students?
Whose gonna serve lunch?

Do you forget that school is not just students, but also working adults?

If NEETing is encouraged, then you must include education industry workers

>>791668
Why don't you let this board live instead of having meltdowns because we don't like raping children

>>791671
This board never dies
It’s just mainly threads of indignation

Most discussion about “misogyny” is just about non criminal male nuances that rub feminists the wrong way


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