Why are some "woke" people so angry about male-gaze fanservice in video games?
Nobody complains about the female-gaze romfics or female-gaze soap operas. But why is "goonerbait" seen with such hatred and so much discourse exists to denigrate them?
Im inclined to believe that it's because women get the ick when supposedly "undesirable men", which they view most gamers to be, enjoy female fanservice without paying for it like Onlyfans or prostitution.
But I'm willing to hear your own theories. Btw I'm not a chud at all, I'm a communist, I just call out bullshit no matter where it originates.
84 posts and 8 image replies omitted.>>798036Why do you accuse gooners of not being heterosexual or male? Not that gooners are all heterosexual males anyway
>>798024Imagine wasting resources to wage a moral crusade against some chronic masturbators. There’s far more depraved people to watch out for
>>798061They have abandonned their humanity and become pigs eating slop. They are not attracted to women, or any actual human being, they are solely attracted to the exitation of themselves. They are narcissistic and full of self hatred. They are not male since they cannot fufill the male role of impregnating a female.
Meh, it's because men who goon give the ick in people as undisciplined, disgusting, freakish and probably ugly too, maybe misogynistic because they "consume" women… when you think of a male masturbator you tend to imagine balding fat hairy bastards that smell
Most men won't feel this ick if a girl is a gooner.. maybe you'd think whatever she's into is high brow
Ask yourself if you picture a girl gooning all day do you feel disgusted? Is she gross for masturbating or a loser, or is she calm, in her element.. exploring.. probably smelling good.
Whatever a man is sexually into it brings him shame as a pervert and a creep
>>798064This reads as reactionary slop.
“Narcissism”? How is gooning narcissist?
Narcissism is about constant seeking of validation
Also why do you gatekeep manhood as sexual attraction to women?
And what’s so bad about not being attracted to human beings sexually, preferring fictional characters?
Methinks the narcissist is you because you feel entitled to mens attention to adore/glorify women.
And how are gooners any less human?
They haven’t lost their humanity. They have a vice but that’s part of being human.
They’re not raping or killing people
Why do people have hatred for personalized gratification?
>>798064>They are not male since they cannot fufill the male role of impregnating a female.Why do you people always wanna gatekeep manhood as being breeders and servants for women?
By your logic, most current year women are not women because they cannot fulfill their role in getting pregnant
>>798066Irony is, most male gooners are average slim fat guys with plain looks
They neither have any political convictions
I tire of people trying to “figure out” men who don’t conform to machismo affect
>>798064>They are narcissistic and full of self hatredThat would be neopuritans
They’re the ones that want society to conform to their whims of a moral upright efficient society of breeders
Neopuritans are full of self hatred as well due to missing out on youthful romance
>>798036So you want men to be expedable chivalric footsoldiers that amuse female whims without question?
While the women in question are just shallow infantile dames that have no talents or redeeming qualities?
>>798064Just be honest: you hate gooners because they’re not easily-made simps.
They don’t grovel for any nubile meatspace female
And that upsets you.
>>797535It's all reactionary bullshit all the way down. Never forget that the feminists had allied themselves with religious evangelicals during the "Satanic Panic". And so many of their arguments against porn is just rebranded protestant fundamentalist anti-kink/anti-sexuality bullshit.
TL;DR: Both of them are spooked by nonsense that they created and still believe in because they never killed the cop in their head.
>>797535Women too face a lot of ridicule for their romance fantasy slop. My theory is that people tend to blame gooning for all of society's problems because admitting that there are systemic causes for trauma that lead to far worse addictions is a lot more confronting and inconvenient.
>>798081>>797535I almost always ignore such discussion around a piece of media slop and choose to indulge in it (or not) of my own volition. I don't give a shit about popular opinion.
>>798078>feminists had allied themselves with religious evangelicals during the "Satanic Panic"No they didnt, stop making shit up.
>>798078>Never forget that the feminists had allied themselves with religious evangelicals during the "Satanic Panic".wait up im not a westoid, did that happen?
i thought feminists were the antonym of the evangelical types because they see "freedom" in those punk "satanist" types, because the punks are drawing women away from being trad and mothers.
>>798092You can quibble about timescales but women have become one of the most reliable reactionary blocs on many issues
>>797960animals don't have a concept of rape
animals don't have a concept of cheating
animals don't have a concept of morality
animals don't have a concept of consent
and so on
this is why sex is complicated for humans, and not for animals. if you want life to be simple, then go live like an animal.
>>798309not beating the pedo allegations
>>798276Not exactly true
There’s species of animals that do life long partnership and are defensive of their young
We see even in the wild, animals often partner up differing species
>>798081They do the same with video game and social media.
People like to blame new media formats because it’s low hanging fruit rather than admit these problems pre existed electronic media by decades
>>798093A lot of western feminists are just a quirky secular used form of Protestantism
They take offense to kinky/alternative aesthetics even if it’s non sexual.
>>797567It’s liked as a joke but not loved as much as handsome men
>Nobody complains about the female-gaze romfics or female-gaze soap operas.
What is female-gaze? Is it "damn, I wish this guy was my sex slave" or is it "oh how I wish a man would treat me in a way that I actually desire, instead of treating me like property, like a trophy"?
Even the dark romance boks are about coming to terms with the fact that men do, and will, treat women horribly, but finding some solace in it, trying to escape into a fantasy of it being better etc., which is why they all end in happily ever afters, the hot but evil mafioso eventually mellowing out and showing respect, and love.
Male-gaze fanservice is about treating women as subjugated sex objects. Female-gaze fanservice is, at its worst, about being treated as subjugated sex objects. The latter is an attempt to come to terms with the former. A reaction, if you will.
>>799396>which is why they all end in happily ever afters, the hot but evil mafioso eventually mellowing out and showing respect, and loveShowing respect and love to
her. There is an element of identification with male power in these fantasies, at the end evil mafioso does not retire to live happily ever after on a farm, but rather the female protagonist gets to share on his power, or even completely subjugates it to hers.
>>799402This is an interesting observation, but it also isn't universal. Making generalisations over a whole genre of "romance", also, is quite a bit of a task.
I would say that more value is placed on actual romance, treating both people as equals, and not on subjugation or power (exceptions usually fall outside of "female-gaze" or "romance", and into "political intrigue" and "drama"). It also bears mentioning that having access to this power is sometimes treated moreso as a "payoff" for going through the experience of being abused, since, again, in the real world women usually are abused and this does not come with ready access to a hot but evil mafioso's power. Damn shame, that.
>>799396Another point that I should've mentioned first is that soap operas and dark romance are within their dedicated genre. Being blasted with eroticised fanservice in a non-porn game is intrinsically different from, you know, porn in porn book. Pic related. This is the main riichi mahjong client that's not Japanese or an MMORPG.
>>799448Have you seen Contrapoints Twillight video? I found it insightful on the topic of female desire and fiction.
>I would say that more value is placed on actual romance, treating both people as equals, and not on subjugation or powerEqualisation of power between the protagonist and love interest seems to be a reocurring theme in female romance, but it is something that happens at the very end. Almost entire length of the story emphasizes power difference, once the difference is gone the story is over. The ending serves the function of aftercare, women dont read mob boss werewolf novels for cutesy happily ever after, it is a wish fulfilment fantasy, both erotic wishes and power fantasy, and the ending serves to sooth ambiguous emotions and stress resulting from indulging in these fantasies.
>>799396>What is female-gaze? Is it "damn, I wish this guy was my sex slave" or is it "oh how I wish a man would treat me in a way that I actually desire, instead of treating me like property, like a trophy"?Yes, there are female gaze stories that go in that direction
>Even the dark romance boks are about coming to terms with the fact that men do, and will, treat women horribly, but finding some solace in it, trying to escape into a fantasy of it being better etc., which is why they all end in happily ever afters, the hot but evil mafioso eventually mellowing out and showing respect, and love. To some extent that's true. But even then, alot male characters are judged by their looks and strength in female romance storrs. Meek men who treat women equally aren't really well liked.
>Male-gaze fanservice is about treating women as subjugated sex objects. Female-gaze fanservice is, at its worst, about being treated as subjugated sex objects. The latter is an attempt to come to terms with the former. A reaction, if you will.Wrong. Female gaze ogles over hunky stud prettyboys and tries to peep on them bathing in the river.
>>799466>The ending serves the function of aftercare, women dont read mob boss werewolf novels for cutesy happily ever after, it is a wish fulfilment fantasy, both erotic wishes and power fantasy, and the ending serves to sooth ambiguous emotions and stress resulting from indulging in these fantasies.True but without the happily ever after, there would riot in the streets about "rape positivity" and whatnot.
>>798276Wrong. Animals do have sense of boundaries
>>799396By your logic, male gaze romance is about men becoming suicidal butlers for the sake of appeasing women. Because that's how alot of male romance stores are. Men becoming knights or soldiers or underground fighting champions to be protectors of their female interest.
Men in those stories aren't allowed any ounce of sef-affection. Other men are treated as ballast or potential battle royale opponents
>>799466>2 hours and 57 minutesabsolutely jobless behaviour
>>797559Wasn't Victorian sentiment also intolerant of female sexuality?
>>799396>What is female-gaze? Is it "damn, I wish this guy was my sex slave" or is it "oh how I wish a man would treat me in a way that I actually desire, instead of treating me like property, like a trophy"?Feminists 🤝 Victorian sexists
>"Women cannot feel lust" >>799396As already pointed out:
>>799468>To some extent that's true. But even then, alot male characters are judged by their looks and strength in female romance storrs. Meek men who treat women equally aren't really well liked.Women want the violent bad boy that they tame because they want a man who is violent to other people, just not to them. They want an attack dog, a "protector." Someone they can use to bully and beat up other people.
>>797561>>797560"Bot" is such an overused diagnosis.
Maybe it's just that public opinion online is the same people who would are silent in meat space.
I tend to notice how forums, whether online or written, tend to use consolational/affirmational platitudes towards people venting sexual and romantic frustrations.
They often say stuff like
>You have a heart of gold
>you will find a good man/woman someday who will love you for you
>Those people who reject you are pigsThe usual. Everyone seems all happy and supportive. But if you check their DMs or wereto hear them in meat space, their friendly demeanor comes off
People often say that people are meaner online than on meat space. The inverse is true as well.
The same people who tell young people to "be themselves" and not freak out about perpetual virginity are the same ones who look down on them.
>>799481This. Women want to be the tamers. They want a wild beast so they can break him into a perfect pet only for them.
>>799481The only female romance where meek men are allowed any chance with women are in slice of life anime.
Or even better yet, where men are allowed to be cutesy and zany. Even in yaoi, where sex can be power dynamics, there more freedom of male nuance.
Men are allowed to be average an plain with out muh contempt
>>799484>>799487Women tend to live vicariously through their partner. That's why they want a tall man. So he'll be height mogging everyone for her. I've noticed that the shortest women are the most height obsessed. They feel height mogged all the time so they want a man that height mogs everyone all the time so they can feel taller somehow.
A lot of posts in this thread seems to be intellectualization and conjecture around the fact that most women are subs.
>>799499Idk. I think only men be truly subs or doms
>>799493Men are the same for inverse. They always wanna go for younger "docile" women whom are educated.
>>799499Sure, basically. But there is more to it than that. Sex isn't everything that someone thinks about a partner. I think what I was saying kind of covers it the most broadly.
>>799493>Women tend to live vicariously through their partner. It makes sense, the course of human history women weren't allowed to do anything, so they want a man who can be like the other them they can live vicariously through. The woman behind the man and all that.
You know I think people really discount even all throughout "the patriarchy" how many weak-willed men there were who were controlled by their spouse. Or men who had perhaps an equal relationship and their wife was their closest confidant and advisor.
>>799516Oh yeah, and I was going to say, we're at a very interesting point in history where women can do pretty much anything they want, so it's like 'how does it fit in with all our history and tradition that came before?' Who knows, it remains to be seen. I guess this thread is a good illustration of the process happening in our times.
>>799516tbh, I think it was often less the wife but the mother, think of Catherine de Médicis, as the typical exemple
>>799516>You know I think people really discount even all throughout "the patriarchy" how many weak-willed men there were who were controlled by their spouse. Or men who had perhaps an equal relationship and their wife was their closest confidant and advisor.This.
>>799518More this tbh. I fin it funny that people complain about mommas boys but then they demand boys to always defend their moms.
Alot of macho guys like to patronize their subordinates but these same macho guys are emotionally attached to their moms
In conclusion, foid genocide. Glad we could settle this gentlemen.
>>799528Wrong.
We need androgynous hermaphroditism to be engineered into humans
Make humans into a rejuvenated race of bishonen/bifauxnen
>>799517And they’re still depressed.
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