Why are some "woke" people so angry about male-gaze fanservice in video games?
Nobody complains about the female-gaze romfics or female-gaze soap operas. But why is "goonerbait" seen with such hatred and so much discourse exists to denigrate them?
Im inclined to believe that it's because women get the ick when supposedly "undesirable men", which they view most gamers to be, enjoy female fanservice without paying for it like Onlyfans or prostitution.
But I'm willing to hear your own theories. Btw I'm not a chud at all, I'm a communist, I just call out bullshit no matter where it originates.
Because of the feminist-conservative alliance + Feminism being the sacred cow of progressivism.
>>797540Feminism always was the prodigal daughter of patriarchy
Like imagine if the Fabio in female romantic fiction was replaced by a 5'2" obese 60 year-old man, because a large contingent of men lobbied that it was empowering to short kings and fights against ageism and fatphobia. Sales of romfics would utterly collapse and there would probably a female version of gamergate that would come out of this decision.
>>797543Trvke. Bourgeois feminism is female supremacist identity politics that is explicitly anticommunist and divides the working class.
>>797535It all makes more sense when your realize that most feminists are actually "The Patriarchy's" strongest soldiers when old gender norms are following the "man bad, woman good" model. One of these old patriarchal norms coming from out of the Victorian period is that men are lustful while women are chaste. In fact, it was believed that female sexuality was so chaste and women were so free of the sin of lust that women didn't even enjoy sex at all and that they only did so for the happiness of their husbands and for the good of society in the form of the children that union would produce. It was the "lay back and think of England" attitude. Male sexuality, on the other hand, was entirely lustful. It was something both dirty and intensely sinful, and to even make a woman the object of his lusts even if he didn't actually touch her was still to dirty and degrade her in some way.
Most self-described feminists are totally on-board with this old standard. In the past, there were instances of sexual objectification of women, which is women being portrayed as little more than objects to have sex with rather than people. That's not really much of a thing anymore, but it's what most feminists use to complain about the sinful influence of male lust. Men lusting after women under any circumstance has become "objectification," and it is clearly about the purity and chastity of these fair maidens being sullied by the foul lusts of the male audience.
On the flipside, female sexuality is never condemned because it is inherently chaste and sinless.
>>797555So /r/gamingcirclejerk with 810,000 followers is just bots? /r/TwoXChromosones with 14 MILLION followers is just fake bots?
Im gonna assume you're the person who actually kinda agrees with the """feminists"""" but you're uncomfortable with admitting so you try to downplay the whole thing?
>>797557>Im gonna assume you're the person who actually kinda agrees with the """feminists"""" No. Complaining about sexually attractive women in entertainment is mental retardation. All I'm saying is I have never encountered such a thing in real life. All the examples you listed are online.
Online you can find all sorts of deranged and toxic sentiments that you would never ever hear about when talking to someone in person. Seeking out things like this is just bad for mental health and warps your view of how people actually behave.
>>797556I agree that both have the same outlook but there's a difference between the motivations behind Victorian puritanism and modern feminism. Feminists hate the male gaze because for them, the male gaze from undesirable men is extremely disgusting and disturbing. They have zero problems with the male gaze from attractive men, in fact they actively desire such a gaze for obvious reasons. While for Victorian men, the hatred of male sexuality is based on fear of their "property" (wives and daughters) being stolen or damaged by lustful men.
This difference is why for Victorians, ALL men are sexually denigrated and seen as potential animals, whereas for feminists, its only undesirable men who are the target.
So a puritan Victorian would be opposed to both male gaze goonerbait and female gaze goonerbait, while feminists are only opposed to male gaze goonerbait.
>>797557Most of the internet is bots these days, so I wouldn't be surprised to find that those subreddits are botted to hell and back. The internet is not representative of reality.
>>797557>>797558To add, if you were to judge public opinion on internet communities back in the 2000s you would assume the vast majority of the English speaking world are militant fedora tipping atheists.
>>797561>>797560Fair enough, I hope that Western video game companies come to the same conclusion soon. I can't imagine capitalists would be too happy with failures like Concord, Highguard etc.
The difficult job for them now is to both go back to profitable male gaze while not alienating female audiences.
- They're twitter users.
- The topic contains a bunch of keywords that are high in SEO right now.
>Nobody complains about the female-gaze romfics or female-gaze soap operas.
Because those are low in SEO and are usually indie. If they ever get high in SEO chuds do complain about them.
>Im inclined to believe that it's because women get the ickYou're anthropomorphizing SEO trends by treating them as people trends.
>>797546What the hell are you talking about? Ugly bastard stuff is very much one of the most popular genres of smut for women.
Because woke is feminist and feminism since the 2nd wave have been marabout spiritual bullshit about barring men from enjoying stuff or else it makes Gaia cry, 3rd wave feminism "innovation" was to barr only CISHET WHITE MEN from enjoying anything.
It is a church lady cultural movement, very contemptible people and equaly influent, they are currently banning all internet for under 40 in the UK.
>>797566Dis bunny mad smart yo
>>797586Bnuuy gave me an idea:
* Bullet point 1.
* Bullet point 2.
>meme arrow >>797588how did the bunny do the bullet point
>>797535Fan service is embarassing and juvenile, it's usually put in by corporate executives to sell to teenage boys. It's a bad sign for art when it's very prevalent, and it often makes the female characters badly written as they were created solely for fan service
Wokies have wholly adopted the "let people enjoy things" nonsense and as they're addicted to disneyslop calling something immature is hypocritical from their part, so they have to give a moral criticism.
>>797588We need to make this a meme…
>>797535>Nobody complains about the female-gaze romfics or female-gaze soap operasYeah huh, actually.
Honestly though, there's a shit tone of double standards with this kind of thing and I'm suspicious of any take that assumes there's only one cause. But yeah, women get shit for their silly little sex books all the time, and video games are, or are usually trying to reach a broader audience. We're always weird about horniness though.
>>797535omg just find a woman who doesn't get mad at you for window shopping
>A game has unattractive women
<Made with activists in mind!
>A game has attractive women
<Ah! Pure goonslop!
>>797589It's - signs, though I'm surprised *'s don't work too.
>>797656I don't think they're the same people saying this
>Nobody complains about the female-gaze romfics or female-gaze soap operas.
Men complained or otherwise made fun of twilight for nearly a decade straight
>>797535Why do women hate sluts, porn, and prostitutes? For the same reason workers hate scabs and immigrants. Young secular men tend to like sluts and porn, because they get what they want with less effort. It gets more complicated when they're older, they're concerned about their wife and daughter so tend to be against these things in public, even if they hypocritically use porn or visit prostitutes.
This is in general, of course. There are exceptions. Sometimes women might pragmatically support porn and prostitutes if they believe it reduces male aggression. Or picrel. Young men might realize if he encourages sluthood his future gf/wife might be a slut, which is against his interests, but that requires him thinking beyond his dick.
If large numbers of women dropped out of society men would be concerned about their replacements, but this hasn't happened yet.
>>797660in all honesty so did women but for other reasons, like how this type of genre is all the same, plain girl and two hot dudes out of this world + superpowers and emotional intelligence see everything in her
>>797662>If large numbers of women dropped out of society men would be concerned about their replacements, but this hasn't happened yet. They have, they don't want kids…but they are working. Men dropped out of both.
>>797555>nobody in real life has a problem with hot women in entertainment.I recall a study from years ago about how hot women make both men and women feel bad. Also entertainment is blamed on a lot of self-esteem issues. So people might have a problem with it, whether they recognize it or not. Just another fun little supernormal stimuli aspect of our wholly unnatural built environment.
>>797663That's kinda all the cheap romcoms manga if we think about it, they even have both genders receive that treatment
>>797666Wrong on the last sentence. Men haven’t dropped out of work
There’s a lot of women that don’t work but it’s not talked about because women are seen as needing to be cared for
>>797555You’d be surprised. But they’re not gonna spaz out about it in public
>>797670Social media is overblamed for self esteem issues despite said things happening long before social media was thought of
>>797663>in all honesty so did women but for other reasonswell yea, it was the halcyon era of the pick me. now we're full into the age of heteropessimism.
>>797748Since when was heterosexual pessimism not a thing?
>>797695Tbh I don’t mind it.
Action/adventure and psychological drama get tiring after a while.
People seem to have a strong offense towards light hearted romantic vibes for some reason
>>797750it wasn't as mainstream, now it's the *thing* that distinguishes top 40 female pop artists in this decade
>>797752I take it you never listened to easy listening or classic R&B/soul
>>797755did i say top 40? i meant top 3
BookTok dark romance perpetuates hetmoid dominance
>>797788It also perpetuates hetfem dominance
>>797535Because it's lowbrow and low status. The people who'll go out to bat for it are losers while most of those who roll their eyes at it will tolerate other forms of soft porn which are more highbrow/high status.
>>797880Most female gaze media is low brow as well and was mocked.
>>797598Fair point, but male gaze is always pathologized by both religious and academic figures.
I think the real problem is that regardless of male gaze or female gaze, romantic media is frowned upon as cringe and asinine
Yet, we will rationalize violent movies that have aspired lunatics to shoot up schools
I think the whole groomer panic and helicopter parenting has mind broken a lot of post-Gen X people.
There’s articles saying Naruto’s Sexy Jutsu is “problematic”
>>797535A fat ugly retard with beard and glasses living in the imperial core typed this with his hands.
I feel like I've read enough debates about sex and sexuality online in the past 10 years for 10 lifetimes. Jesus fucking Christ. Find a new hobby already. Just go masturbate instead of looking for the latest outrage discussion about your entertainment slop on 4chan, twitter, and youtube.
>>797913I mean that for absolutely everyone discussing any sexual related subject, no matter what side they're coming from. Just fucking enough already. How does this bring you people this much enjoyment? What is the end game? What is the purpose?
>>797535Because it's the only thing mainstream, academic, leftist politics are allowed to discuss in the US and wider western world without the state apparatus or corporate funded smear campaigns coming down on them.
And when you're only allowed to discuss things like social issues and intersectionality without an underlying materialist base to prop it up you're going to have been really digging into the cracks to discuss and bring up shit like the male gaze, which in the grander scheme of things, is basically irreverent.
These western leftist organizations and academics are by design to keep these topics always in vogue and in the view of any aspiring leftist or someone looking into leftism to distract them from material issues or the class struggle. TLDR: Irrelevant retard SNCA is intentionally propped up to prevent any true leftist politics and parties inside the US from forming.
>>797948I really wish it was acceptable to speak openly about this. I fucking hate feminism honestly.
>>797913>>797914I’ve been saying the same thing for a few years now. I really think people have become insane from lack of sexual/romantic prospects in youth
>>797960You’re right. In most other animal species, sex is just the most mundane irrelevant thing ever that’s only done in heat cycles or mating seasons
Humans are the only ones that make it into a big deal.
Create whole recreational communities made to socialize each other for incentive to sex
>>797948>sex/kink-positive (it has to be both at once btw) feminism is still progressiveHow is pleasing men via weird shit they picked up in porn produced by Zionists "progressive"?
>>797974That's why the real progressive future of humanity is genetically engineering ourselves to be literally asexual. Grow children in biofactories according to a societal plan. All the psychosexual energy is now freed up to be directed elsewhere.
See one of these evangelical freaks masquerading as leftists already showed up. Just talking about sexuality in a way that isn't a condemnation makes them think you're advocating for the most boogeyman-able possible thing right away.
>>797977It's just astonishing and agonizing thinking of you people's existence:
>Ohh noo the women took away the sexy digital woman from my corporate consumer slop!Again and again and again
Nobody fucking cares. Bro, there is more porn out there than you could consume in your lifetime. Instead of just being happy and consuming the mountain of content you could never finish you're whining all day about someone taking away some new hypothetical porno.
>>797978You're assuming a ton of shit of me. I don't even consume porn I just think that you shouldn't be a nagging 90s evangelical soccer mom and let art or entertainment or whatever be sexual. What's the point of clutching pearls if you yourself say it doesn't matter. If you don't like sexualized games then go play a game that isn't sexualized and call it aday.
>>797980>You're assuming a ton of shit of me. I don't even consume pornMaybe you should. Maybe you wouldn't be so preoccupied with women adulterating your smut.
> If you don't like sexualized games then go play a game that isn't sexualized and call it aday.If you don't like that the corporate slop you're consuming isn't sexualized enough, you should go find some fucking sexualized content and fap it out and call it a day.
>>797975This post about “Gen Z whores” is wrong. Gen Z whores only do webcam sessions. They don’t throw around in meatspace. They have far less sex than previous generations.
>How is pleasing men via weird shit they picked up in porn produced by Zionists "progressive"?You seem to have a problem with porn.
>That's why the real progressive future of humanity is genetically engineering ourselves to be literally asexual. Grow children in biofactories according to a societal plan. All the psychosexual energy is now freed up to be directed elsewhereYou didn’t go far enough. You need to make them have no sexual characteristics. Make them androgynous hermaphrodites with no boobs or testes.
Also abolish gender roles
>>797880Not really. Video games are mostly played alone, playing gooner games doensnt affect your status. It's also not any more low brow that 99% of media out there.
>>797909What is the source of such hatred? Have you ever looked within yourself and asked how you became so misantrhopic?
>>797978>>797990Why the dismissive animosity
>>797913>>797914>Appeal to trivialityJust ignore this discussion if it bothers you. Nobody forced you to read any sex discussion over the past 10 years. That was all you.
Your real frustration comes from your side losing ground in the "culture war"
>>798000Because I'm just tired of it. You and those your complain about in your OP are two sides of the same coin trying to keep us in an endless cyclone of mediocrity. Better yourself or just fap in peace. Not everyone is like you, they find a way to sexually satisfy themselves in a world of endless pornography without needing to inform us of it.
>>798001>Your real frustration comes from your side losing ground in the "culture war"So then you are the other side then I presume?
My side of the war is, you don't need to tell us what you just jerked off to or difficulties you had jerking off just as you don't need to inform us of the intricacies of your bowel movements. It's not that serious bro. It's weird. That's why I'm saying anything. I see it again and again and it's weird.
>>798006Like I said, appeal to triviality to shut down discussion. Do you also feel the same about pride parades?
>>798003My "side" is not "pro-anything" but rather "anti-reacrionary bourgeois feminism" which masquerades as progressive or leftist.
It's bourgeois feminism that is getting raped and gaped in the culture war. Real feminists are doing just fine and don't give a shit about gooner games that cater to men.
>>798018>It's bourgeois feminism that is getting raped and gaped in the culture war. Real feminists are doing just fine and don't give a shit about gooner games that cater to men.So then why do you care so much about gooner games?
You know what, I can make it more broad. I'm just tired of you people complaining about your slop or people's reactions to it, or what narrative choices or censorship decisions were made because of the complaints of X,Y, and Z. I don't care you fucking nerds. You weren't given enough fucking swirlies and wedgies.
>>798021I stand with bourgeois feminists in their attacks against gooner slop.
>>798022I stand with neither. I want to lift us up out of the medium of gooner slop.
>>798023Gooners have to be purged, systematically discriminated against and suffer.
>>798023I mean there are endless avenues to goon. The world is not want for gooning material. You can go goon to 10,000 images of porn of whatever character from your corporate slop you want. You're upset because they made your waifu ugly in the new release of goonernomicon 205 or whatever. You can still find porn in exactly your taste you can go goon to.
>>798019>appeal to trivialityKek
>>798027Yes, you are retarded. There are an infinite number of trivial and retarded statements and subjects you could bring up and the most correct response would be to say there is something wrong with you. That's not a logical falicy, that's a logical statement.
>>798021>Appeal to trivialityYou clearly do care a lot, even more than me since you are now advocating for violence to stop people from simply discussing this.
>>798029I stand with Manchester United in their fight against Gooners
>>798029What do you want? What should I advocate for? How do I solve this real and pressing problem in your life?
>>798024Why do you hate het male sexuality so much? Why are you so bigoted, narrow minded, hateful, sex-negative and reactionary?
>>798026Youre upset by the pushback against ugly women in games.
>>798028Clearly this subject is not trivial at all given your immense emotional reactions to the simple fact that more and more men are pushing back against the uglification of women in video games.
>>798031Since you claim (falsely) that you don't care about this issue, you don't need to do anything.
In fact you could have just scrolled by and posted nothing in this thread.
>>798035I stand with het male sexuality when they set the world on fire for the chick they love, I stand against Gooners, who are neither heterosexual nor male !
>>798036>I support men only when they cater to women's interestsYes this is the position of reactionary bourgeois feminsts, you're correct.
>>798037And you stand with women only when they cater to men's interest !
>>798036Why do you accuse gooners of not being heterosexual or male? Not that gooners are all heterosexual males anyway
>>798024Imagine wasting resources to wage a moral crusade against some chronic masturbators. There’s far more depraved people to watch out for
>>798061They have abandonned their humanity and become pigs eating slop. They are not attracted to women, or any actual human being, they are solely attracted to the exitation of themselves. They are narcissistic and full of self hatred. They are not male since they cannot fufill the male role of impregnating a female.
Meh, it's because men who goon give the ick in people as undisciplined, disgusting, freakish and probably ugly too, maybe misogynistic because they "consume" women… when you think of a male masturbator you tend to imagine balding fat hairy bastards that smell
Most men won't feel this ick if a girl is a gooner.. maybe you'd think whatever she's into is high brow
Ask yourself if you picture a girl gooning all day do you feel disgusted? Is she gross for masturbating or a loser, or is she calm, in her element.. exploring.. probably smelling good.
Whatever a man is sexually into it brings him shame as a pervert and a creep
>>798064This reads as reactionary slop.
“Narcissism”? How is gooning narcissist?
Narcissism is about constant seeking of validation
Also why do you gatekeep manhood as sexual attraction to women?
And what’s so bad about not being attracted to human beings sexually, preferring fictional characters?
Methinks the narcissist is you because you feel entitled to mens attention to adore/glorify women.
And how are gooners any less human?
They haven’t lost their humanity. They have a vice but that’s part of being human.
They’re not raping or killing people
Why do people have hatred for personalized gratification?
>>798064>They are not male since they cannot fufill the male role of impregnating a female.Why do you people always wanna gatekeep manhood as being breeders and servants for women?
By your logic, most current year women are not women because they cannot fulfill their role in getting pregnant
>>798066Irony is, most male gooners are average slim fat guys with plain looks
They neither have any political convictions
I tire of people trying to “figure out” men who don’t conform to machismo affect
>>798064>They are narcissistic and full of self hatredThat would be neopuritans
They’re the ones that want society to conform to their whims of a moral upright efficient society of breeders
Neopuritans are full of self hatred as well due to missing out on youthful romance
>>798036So you want men to be expedable chivalric footsoldiers that amuse female whims without question?
While the women in question are just shallow infantile dames that have no talents or redeeming qualities?
>>798064Just be honest: you hate gooners because they’re not easily-made simps.
They don’t grovel for any nubile meatspace female
And that upsets you.
>>797535It's all reactionary bullshit all the way down. Never forget that the feminists had allied themselves with religious evangelicals during the "Satanic Panic". And so many of their arguments against porn is just rebranded protestant fundamentalist anti-kink/anti-sexuality bullshit.
TL;DR: Both of them are spooked by nonsense that they created and still believe in because they never killed the cop in their head.
>>797535Women too face a lot of ridicule for their romance fantasy slop. My theory is that people tend to blame gooning for all of society's problems because admitting that there are systemic causes for trauma that lead to far worse addictions is a lot more confronting and inconvenient.
>>798081>>797535I almost always ignore such discussion around a piece of media slop and choose to indulge in it (or not) of my own volition. I don't give a shit about popular opinion.
>>798078>feminists had allied themselves with religious evangelicals during the "Satanic Panic"No they didnt, stop making shit up.
>>798078>Never forget that the feminists had allied themselves with religious evangelicals during the "Satanic Panic".wait up im not a westoid, did that happen?
i thought feminists were the antonym of the evangelical types because they see "freedom" in those punk "satanist" types, because the punks are drawing women away from being trad and mothers.
>>798092You can quibble about timescales but women have become one of the most reliable reactionary blocs on many issues
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