/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>810320
>Prostitution isnt rape because it's done voluntarily.

No. IF they wouldnt have sex for you if their was no money involved its fucking rape. Its fucking called Exchange rape, stop makeing fucking excuses for renting person that doesn't wanna fuck you. It called coercion of an exploited person.

>Most women who do it nowadays are not all from poverty.

1. doesn't matter how much money a person has or what their economic class is, if they are fucking you for money when they normally wouldn't, it's rape.
   
2. Most people who do sex work are poor, so shut the fuck up.
   
   

>They're Middle class women who don't wanna do elbow grease.
You have clearly never been a sex worker or around them.

>You're infantilizing women.
Your assumption that all sexwork is done by women is a fantasy of your own making. And to say that i am infantilizing them speaks to your own mental gymnastics to justify own predatory wants.

>By your logic, men working in day labor because that's the only form of employment available for them is considered rape.

Not rape, unless the day labor is sexwork. You are so close to understanding the line between coercion and rape.

>>810321
>he anon(s) on here that say prostitution is rape are awfully quiet about military conscription.

Were we talking about that anon or did you need a strawman to help you justify wanting to be a pathetic fucking rapist?

>>810354
You are wrong about so many of your assumptions that I don't even know where to begin so i wont and ill just wait for you to say some more stupid bullshit.

>>810358
Stop talking

>>810358
Sorry for being pedantic but you seem kinda dumb

>>810144
You’re just proving the other anon correct

>>810212
>blaming men that can't get sex without paying is like demonizing thieves for stealing while not giving them a job.

No one owes you sex you pathetic fucking waste of oxygen.

You are a rapist, willing to get what you want through explicit coercion. Not for something you need, but for something you want.

>I don't want to take part in the humiliating time wasting rituals it takes to get it.
Its called being an adult. You talk to people, find common interests and then find someone who wants to fuck you. Its not that hard, really. The fact that you just wanna bust a nut doesn't give you any right to do anything at all. You are still a rapist scum fuck.

The fact that you can't find someone to fuck you willingly already speaks volumes to the kind of piece of shit you are. There are whore's EVERYWHERE. You are just pathetically unfuckable and it shows.

>>810217
> I could never get laid normally
Gee, i wonder why. Maybe its because you give off pathetic sexpest vibes.

> I will not be shamed into not experiencing probably one of the best things in it because I didn't do it "ethically"

So you are a rapist and you are fine with it. I hope we meet one day so i can stab you in the neck you unapologetic rapist scum.
>your modern feminist definition of rape doesn't mean shit to me.
Yes thats very clear. Please do the women of the world a favor and slit your wrists before you cause anyone else any more damage.

>>810359
No. Make me.

>>810360
And you seem not to understand coercion and the concept of rape.

Probably because you want to justify it. You dont want to be the bad guy. No decent person WANTS to be a rapist, but people do love not realizing the pain they inflict on the world for their own selfish desires. And im just not going to let you do that.

If you wanna feel good about renting a human being to use their holes and not think about the exploitation and coercion involved inherently involved in that for your own souls sake, then do it in the company of other unapologetic rapists.

>>810358
>Not rape, unless the day labor is sexwork. You are so close to understanding the line between coercion and rape.

This is the crux of the problem.
You’re Comfusing prostitution with rape

>You have clearly never been a sex worker or around them

Unlike you I actually have. Most of these women could easily apply for fast food or retail or college but they don’t want to. There’s plenty of career training programs they could go into.
They don’t wanna do that


>No. IF they wouldnt have sex for you if their was no money involved its fucking rape. Its fucking called Exchange rape, stop makeing fucking excuses for renting person that doesn't wanna fuck you. It called coercion of an exploited person.

Then prostitution isn’t voluntary


>Your assumption that all sexwork is done by women is a fantasy of your own making. And to say that i am infantilizing them speaks to your own mental gymnastics to justify own predatory wants

Your counter argument just proves my point.

>>810362
I noticed you didn't respond to my (very specific) argument at all. Is that because you aren't able?

>>810354
This.

>>810362
>Its called being an adult

>but muh rape rape rape

Anon, you sound like a broken record

>>810361
all i see is a bunch of pathetic people with no game trying to justify their exploitation of other human beings for there sake of their own self-gratification. I dont care if you dont like it, i dont care if you agree and i will tell you what you are for what you do. I can tell you why its wrong a thousand times, you predators will always find an excuse. But i will call you what you are.

Rapists.

i wont let you feel good about it. The first part of understanding it as a problem is to know what you are doing is wrong. Maybe, just maybe, some of you will even understand and change. But that's a pipedream. So i will say it. Over and over.

>>810358
>doesn't matter how much money a person has or what their economic class is, if they are fucking you for money when they normally wouldn't, it's rape.
>Most people who do sex work are poor, so shut the fuck up.

So you’re deliberately lying to my face.
You need to shut the fuck up
Any woman who is doing prostitution that isn’t in poverty or debt is not being raped. They’re doing it out pure opportunism.
They shouldn’t be morally coddled.

To argue otherwise is to admit that you’re being a willful white knighting ignoramus

>>810368
Anon, I think you need to touch grass or grow up. It’s apparent to all of us that you have never dealt with prostitutes at all.
You have this shallow moralism about you where you imagine that they’re these helpless little puppies living in shambles.

They’re not

If prostitution is rape, why do these sex workers whom are young pretty and able bodied willfully choose it instead of going to college, military, day labor, or career programs

There are people who come from poverty who never resort to prostitution.
They go to school and work dead end jobs back-to-back
Theyre not considered rape victims

>>810365
What fucking argument? You want me to go point by point telling you why it's wrong to be a rapist? Why its wrong to use money for coercive sex? If you dont understand that, what the fucking point?

>>810367
Good. fuck you, you're a rapist.

>>810369
No m8, your just a rapist trying to justify your own sociopathic desire to nut regardless of what the other person wants.

You are a rapist. You want to ignore reality in favor of your own fiction, like many people. You are so committed to trying to justify what you want that you are willing to ignore the reality of economics, of power and the damage you do.

>>810370
> It’s apparent to all of us that you have never dealt with prostitutes at all.
I was a sex worker. I worked on a phone sex line. I once tried to unionize a strip club. I was also a bouncer for a few fetish parties. I know exactly what kind of people you are. Rapists.

>You have this shallow moralism about you where you imagine that they’re these helpless little puppies living in shambles.
Nope. What part about rape has to do with moralism? Its quite clear-cut: if they dont wanna fuck you if their was no money involved, it's exchange rape. Morality need not be invoked, its rape.

>If prostitution is rape, why do these sex workers whom are young pretty and able bodied willfully choose it instead of going to college, military, day labor, or career programs
What part of economic coercion do you not understand? People get paid money, in exchange for sex. People need money to not die in a capitalist society. If they dont fuck you, they dont get paid, and if they keep not doing that, they eventually die.
Thats why its rape, why is that so hard to understand?

What you need to do is stop justifying being a rapist. You cant be this stupid about economic coercion and be any kind leftist.

>There are people who come from poverty who never resort to prostitution.
Yup.
>They go to school and work dead end jobs back-to-back
Yup, its call being a worker, and its means you are being economically exploited. Which is wrong and should not happen.
> Theyre not considered rape victims
Yes. But you see, they would, by your own definition, be exploited. Just like you are trying to justify the exploitation of the prostitute, so do capitalists try and rationalize their exploitation of the workers.

You are using the rapist logic of capital to justify your abuse toward other people for the sake of sex.

>>810372
This argument: >>810354

>>810372
>You are using the rapist logic of capital to justify your abuse toward other people for the sake of sex

Didn’t you say day laborers aren’t raped?

>What part of economic coercion do you not understand? People get paid money, in exchange for sex. People need money to not die in a capitalist society. If they dont fuck you, they dont get paid, and if they keep not doing that, they eventually die.
Thats why its rape, why is that so hard to understand?


So you’re avoiding the question.

>I was a sex worker. I worked on a phone sex line. I once tried to unionize a strip club. I was also a bouncer for a few fetish parties. I know exactly what kind of people you are. Rapists.

There it is.
Did you come from poverty? Where there any jobs that were available to you that could’ve been done instead of sex?

>>810372
<There are people who come from poverty who never resort to prostitution.

>Yup.

So your angle of economic coercion is overdone

>>810374
Your argument makes too many false assumptions to do anything with. Lets starts with this
>Being able to acquire money by having sex is a privilege.
No, its not, its a job. Unless you are saying all voluntary labor is a privilege, because i can see that argument. Would be worse to be a sex slave, but that would also be very clearly rape as well.
>Everywhere prostitution is practiced, there are also people who are not able to practice prostitution
No shit, thats called a society.
>age, gender, disability and/or low attractiveness
NONE, i must emphasize this, NONE of these disqualify you from doing sex work. There are male prostitutes, there are old prostitutes, there are child prostitutes, there are one-legged blind prostitutes, there are trans prostitutes and there are, i suppose, ugly prostitutes, though beauty is subjective so the entire premise of that is dubious at best.

The point is, just because you personally wouldn't fuck them doesn't mean they dont exist. Of course they do.

>Prostitution is a privilege reserved mostly to young attractive women.
But its not. I mean sure, thats a lot of them, but to say its a privilege in the same way as like the child of a billionaire is privileged is not just wrong, its confusing as to why you would even think that. I dont think you understand the concept of being privileged as i do.

>>810380
You are still ignoring the point of the argument. Please explain why prostitutes can't acquire money using the same means as other poor people who are not prostitutes.

>>810377
Look, i know you wanna just have sex. Thats all well and good. Sex is great. If you can't wrap your head around prostitution being inherently economically coercive, rape and exploration then I don't know what else to tell you. You can see it, its not hard to understand it. You need to stop justifying it for your own feelings' sake and realize it's wrong to rent a human being who would, in any other given situation, not be fucking you. You can do better anon, you can be better. We all can. No one has to be a rapist, no one need to buy a prostitute. The world is full of horny people who want to fuck, you just gotta find one that likes you and make the effort.

>>810381
>You are still ignoring the point of the argument.
I dont think i am.
>Please explain why prostitutes can't acquire money using the same means as other poor people who are not prostitutes.

So do you want me to explain the concept of unemployment, poverty and choice? Plenty of prostitutes have other jobs and responsibilities, and they found out sex for money helped them survive or thrive in the economic situation they find themselves in. It does not change the fact that they are being raped for money. This is also just ignoring all the other issues with prostitution, like how unsafe it makes people and how it creates a market for unwilling people to be put in a position where they are being forced to be a prostitute. Why are we gonna pretend that human trafficking isn't a thing, or pimps, or murder of a vulnerable population?

>>810384
No, I want you to explain why prostitutes can't acquire money using the same means as other poor people who are not prostitutes.

>>810362
>No one owes you sex you pathetic fucking waste of oxygen.

I'm not letting you moralize me into not living my life chuddie, I know what I want and what I need, I will not compromise who I am to please a feminist behind a screen or his opinions of what is or what isn't rape, I know I'm not a rapist.

>Its called being an adult
>'just be normal and fall in line with social rituals and coercion, dance to music you don't like, drink alcohol and MAYBE we will reward you with some sex, chud'

nah, I'm not waiting for the state sanctioned to have sex, I'm gonna do it my way, and end up spending less money anyway

>insults insults insults

uygha that works in real life, you can't shame/bully people in forums lmaoooo

I have gotten laid without paying for it and its basically paying anyway, some aspects of the sex may be better because they put more of an effort but the ammount of time spent just talking to a person you wouldnt talk to in any other scenario just to get some pussy makes you feel like a dupe, like damn yeah I just fucked but this shit doesn't feel worth it at all, this bitch is dumb and I don't even like her.

in whores I know bare minimum what I'm getting and maybe I will get pleasantly surprised sometimes if they get horny and get into the sex (I have a big penis).

the reality is that if you are not a normie and have weird tastes in media, music, if you talk a little different, if don't like going to bars or concerts, if you don't like dancing, if you don't drink alcohol non prostitute sex is harder to come by.

it's easy to say go to a bar or a club when you like doing those things anyway, going to a bar or a club just to get laid is how you don't end up getting laid, so what? I should just stay a virgin because I don't like participating in the activities most people like? fuck you Imma do what I want

>>810448
Dont engage them.
Report and block them

men who frequent prostitutes are just men who don't want to go through the bullshit of social rituals and consumerist culture.

I think it's a good comparison to put myself in the same place as a woman who doesn't shave her body hair or use beauty products because she doesn't care what people think.

consumerist culture thrives off dating and hookup culture, men go into debt to impress women to get sex, but instead of the money going directly into the hands of a woman it gets syphoned by clothing brands expensive restaurants, clubs overcharging you for drinks, etc.

>>810452
Fucking trvke. If you filter women out of any kind of non gender-biased(doesn't matter, had sex! [Insert image of little toddler boy making fist gesture]) status you are pretty much guarunteed to be an "incel."

>>810452
>maybe I will get pleasantly surprised sometimes if they get horny and get into the sex (I have a big penis).

This aspect of fucking hookers is so addicting for me. Most encounters are mid, but when I find a girl that’s into me, it’s so cash. I honestly love making hookers cum.

Once I fucked a madam so well she actually quit selling pussy and become my girlfriend. Like no shit, she even tricked me into meeting her family back in her home country and got me to participate in some weird ass Buddhist Folk love ritual. I’m probably cursed now for breaking up with her lmao. It’s weird thinking about it in retrospect, but our whole relationship started with me haggling her down to like $70 after uyghing her, and her leg locking me so that I couldn’t pull out (always use a condom, bros) and asking me to sleep over. And this culminated in me involuntarily hanging out with her brother, sister, and younger cousin at a mall eating hotpot.

Implicitly, she was a terrible partner and had a ton of baggage. She was insanely hot though. Massive (real) tits and a nice ass too. I still have videos of me fucking her that I jerk off too.

Part of why she was a bad partner was that she was lowkey physically and mentally abusive, and lived for male attention. Not in the sense of dressing like a whore, she actually dressed very conservatively, but she was an emotional vampire. Whenever we would argue she would post on social media so that her bench of simps would comfort her. It was both comical and sad at times. Other sex workers I fucked before and was on good terms with would show me her posts and tell me about the shit she would do behind the scenes. Like she was weird.

Anyway, one simp was her ex. We’d argue about some shit and she would legit call him for hours and send me the screenshot to try to make me jealous. The guy lived in a different country so they definitely weren’t fucking. Like clockwork, I’d get off work and fuck her all night and we’d make up for a bit, and the cycle would continue. The guy was providing hours of emotional labor just for me to fuck her senseless every night. Like seriously imagine being an emotional tampon to a girl for hours and then her getting railed by the guy she’s complaining about within like an hour of ending the call. Another time we had got done fucking after arguing and she showed me texts she sent to a simp where she was gushing over how big my dick was. Felt good.

Eventually it all became too much for me and I cut her off. I feel bad because it was abrupt, and I could’ve at least given her feedback for the next relationship, although her fuck ups were fairly obvious imo. Like at its core, don’t deliberately do things to elicit a negative response from your partner.

>>810465
yeah that reads like a rape story, you raped that poor innocent woman /s

>>810467
Afterwards, six gorillion wimminz were RAPED!!!! per day because you rented out some prostie!!!!

What would Engels think of this?!

*Ignore the fact that Engels wouldn’t mind spending 5000 francs to have sex with a French whore

>>810981
You don’t have to believe me, I know what I’ve experienced. But do you actually believe that a hooker playing the long game would fuck someone for free for months, trick them into participating in a witchcraft ritual, and take them to eat hotpot with their immediate family just to get money out of them? Do you really think that they’re that invested in extracting money out of one particular person? Occam's razor. Also, do you not think that out of 100+ women, a person could not reasonably find a handful that genuinely like them?

>>810981
I dont know why some of you here insist on convincing us SWs dont care for us as people. As long as we get what were looking for and she gets what she wants, I dont think most of us care. Cause you know when your civie GF offers a low cost date, its not like youve either invested in her or she'll expect more in the future or anything.

>>810982
>Also, do you not think that out of 100+ women, a person could not reasonably find a handful that genuinely like them?
Maybe, but that's really bad odds.
If you want to be genuinely liked, then you'd be better off dating. Almost all women who agree to go on a date with you are going to like you, or at least they're going to like something about you. The exception being If you are rich you might get some gold diggers.

>>810983
>Cause you know when your civie GF offers a low cost date, its not like youve either invested in her or she'll expect more in the future or anything.
Yes, but money ("security") isn't going to be the only thing.

>>811022
>Maybe, but that's really bad odds.
I'm not advising anyone seek out prostitutes to find a girlfriend lmao. No reasonable person would read my post and assume that. You're moving the goalpost because you've realized how stupid your initial assumption was.

>>811206
>Some washed up madam has made me her meal ticket.
A sucker is born every minute.

>>811278
Cope harder.

>>804620
fpbp
The post that nuked rapelibs

>>810981
i met my current gf at a sugar dating app and tried this and she told me she wouldnt mind living in destitute conditions as long as she's with me. so there you go. absolutely not a thing i would endorse doing but it's not that unusual either

>>811299
>she told me she wouldnt mind living in destitute conditions as long as she's with me
And you believed her lmaoooo

>>810981
real women and 90% of 'friends' are like this too

>>810452
Disagree anon. I will never understand paying for pussy (I come to this thread to try) because no other experience or drug beats the thrill of rawdogging a chick within a couple hours of hanging out one-on-one. If I'm gonna pay with money I'd get more entertainment for my dollar buying acid or shrooms. On top of the insane rates you're paying it sounds like a good chunk of them won't even kiss what kinda sex is that I get turned off thinking about it lmaoo.

>>804937
>A weird thing I've noticed about Korean men in particular is they like going to brothels/spas in groups
Doing it with the bros has got to be the only thing that would convince me to try mongering. That's how it used to be in the west too. Vgh retvrn

>>811758
This. The loneliest I've been is when I was unemployed and broke, everything costs money and if you don't have any you're nobody.

>>811776
When I was unemployed I had a roster of three girls and they were paying for dates because they felt bad that I'd just been laid off. It was genuinely the happiest I've been in the past 5 years.

>>811776
>>811779
It's almost like everyone is different somehow.

>>811775
>no other experience or drug beats the thrill of rawdogging a chick within a couple hours of hanging out one-on-one

I long to experience this

> it sounds like a good chunk of them won't even kiss

It’s a toss up if they kiss or not, and not even directly connected to price. Also, some just lie about it in their ads.

>>811758
>>811776
Skill issue.

About a year ago I shared mutual feelings with a sex worker and was upset when she chose someone else to be her boyfriend. I felt like I missed out on a great opportunity, and we lost contact on bad terms. It’s been about a year and they’re broken up and she’s back to hooking. Her never wanting to leave the life was one of the primary reasons I never actually committed to being with her. Trust your intuition, kings. You can’t turn a hoe into a housewife.

Also, this is proof that they’re not victims of circumstance, they actively choose this life. There are men who will accept them as partners and there are regular jobs out there for them. But they refuse to stop hooking because that would mean they would actually have to work and live within their means. I’m sure what happened is that they were happy for a few months, until her boyfriend refused to keep funding her arbitrarily inflated lifestyle and things broke down. That, and she was addicted to male attention.

I’m sure in like 5 years, when she hits the wall and starts working at an off the beaten path ladybar, she’ll be posting about how much she hates men and how she’s a total girlboss in between stories of her binge drinking.

I was so upset when she’d post on instagram about the dates she went on, and now I’m retrospect I find it hilarious. I was fucking her as a side piece (for free) longer than their relationship lasted. I’m sure she ran him ragged and stressed him out in between posing for those pictures lmao.

>>810217
>one of the best things
How is it any different from masturbation?

>>812100
>Women: GOD MEN ARE SO BAD AT SEX WE CAN NEVER ORGASM THESE FUCKING RETARDS DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLEASE WOMEN
>Men: Ok let me hit up a few prostitutes real quick so I can get some experience and not give my eventual partner the ick because I don't know how to have sex
>Women: WTF THIS IS LITERALLY MASTURBATION YOU SHOULD STOP DOING THAT REEEEEE
You literally can't win against feminist logic they will always find an excuse or made up justification to hate on men even when they're trying their best to please women.