It seems like quite a few of the /siberia/ regulars frequent sex workers, so I thought why not create a thread to discuss our shared pastime.
Posts may include field reports, questions, travel tips, STD prevention, advice etc. Obviously keep it all anonymous and no links to specific sex workers please.
All sex with prostitutes is rape, my top tip for engaging with them is to kill yourself
>>804620If that's true, i guess i should just start violently raping then, right?
>>804620oh yes old women that pick rentboys and those male stripclubs are rape machines, we need to tell those girls to kill themselves
Guess I'll start with the last three escorts I've seen.
1) Tall, white, blonde girl in her 30s working out of an airbnb. I see her semi-reguarly. She always answers the door in lingerie and starts making out with me before it is even fully shut lol. Her kissing is kind of meh but her blowjobs are excellent and she does CIM for no extra. She's the type who is up for anything yet also highly professional and good value for money, which is why I see her regularly. Cost $200/h
2) Femdom mistress. Probably one of the hottest sex workers I have seen. Young for a mistress but nevertheless very cruel and clearly finds some enjoyment in her craft. She seemed genuinely disappointed when I turned down the offer of being pegged. No sex or touching allowed though, just a hand job and she shorted me on time by 15 mins. Cost $240/h
3) Very petite, blonde, blue-eyed 21yo girl working out of her own apartment. She was expensive for me ngl but it was worth it. Her blowjob was actually pretty bad but she was good to fuck and made really cute noises when I was fingering her. Also good conversation between rounds, she seemed quite intelligent. Cost $280/h
>>804629Do you have a thing for blonde hair?
>>804631No tbh. Maybe blonde women are just overrepresented among sex workers.
I'm the anon who fucked like 80 hookers. As it pertains to STD prevention, simply wear a condom and don't fuck women who look like drug addicts. All other forms of STD prevention, minus PrEP, are cope.
>>804629>1) Tall, white, blonde girl in her 30s working out of an airbnb. . .Jealous of this experience. What country/region is this, and is this the norm for women there?
>2)I've always wanted to try pegging but I'm too lazy to prepare ahead of time. I've actually had my ass fingered by girls taking it upon themselves though. Can't say I enjoyed it that much but I assume it turned them on.
Anyone here in the US? How do you find stuff that isn't some kind of honeypot?
>>804647Caution. Or just find the right strip club. You dont need a lot of money to fuck a stripper in or out of the right club. Especially if she likes you.
>>804645>Jealous of this experience. What country/region is this, and is this the norm for women there?I live in western europe, so prostitution is legal. This girl is pretty good for her price point, but overall yes it's the standard experience if you know what to look for. We have a website with an inbuilt rating system which the girls advertise themselves on, as well as local forums for client reviews, so the
market is very self-regulating. That is, the girls get rewarded for giving a good service with positive reviews and therefore more clients, meanwhile bad girls/scammers get exposed almost immediately.
>>804647Personally, I do not monger in the US much but I've found AMPs to be consistent; with the caveat that most are staffed with literal grannies (as a humiliation ritual, of course). Tbh, I don't mind fucking well taken care of grannies, but a notable amount are not that.
So, AMPs are there but less than ideal.
>>804650>Especially if she likes youThis is an underrated aspect of dealing with sex workers. It's a cliche that sex workers do not care about the appearance of the men they fuck. If they like you and you continue to see them, it is all but inevitable that you will get extra/free service.
>>804660Must be nice.
>>804665>I do not monger in the US muchWhich countries do you frequent for mongering?
>>804650>Especially if she likes you.She doesn't like you, anon! She likes your money.
>>804665>If they like you and you continue to see them, it is all but inevitable that you will get extra/free service. Don't know if it's the same elsewhere, but in Britain, prostitutes generally compete either on looks, or on services. If she "likes" you, the services available will probably go downhill, as she gets used to you. Or it will seem to, as you get bored yourself. Posters on review forums sometimes talk about "punters alienation."
Nice looking but girl next door types usually provide more services. Slim coffee and cigarettes for breakfast Romanian runway model types often don't provide the services as advertised. The advertising is just to get you through the door. But punters are still drawn to them like a moth to a flame. Despite a trail of bad reviews. Probably hoping to be "the one" she's really likes.
>>804629>Her kissing is kind of meh >be me instead >see someone who advertised French kissing >get there and she says she doesn't do it>asked me if I wanted bareback (unprotected sex)>despite the disclaimer on her advertising saying she didn't do it and you will be banned if you ask>>804620>All sex with prostitutes is rape, my top tip for engaging with them is to kill yourself You can stop instead. Despite the "once a punter always a punter" adage.
There are better things for anons to do with their lives. Just five minutes a day of something worthwhile then build up.
>>804645>I'm the anon who fucked like 80 hookers>STD prevention I guess I'll ask you this: how can some amateur gonzo porn producers be rawdogging / eating out thai hookers all the damn time? Is it safe to assume, what:
1 that both already have HIV?
2 that they pre-test every single random chick starring yet isnt even 'notable' enough to have a performer @ and them uploading a new porn vid like every day?
3 something else?
if it's 1: have HIV/AIDS meds gotten so good it's not even a bother?
if its 2: have pre-test STD/STI kits gotten so fast to not be a mood kill (waiting 1 hour vs 1 week for results?)
>>804680>see someone who advertised French kissing >get there and she says she doesn't do itYeah I got sick of this shit and confirm it in messages beforehand now. Even then some will still go back on their word once the cash is handed over.
>There are better things for anons to do with their livesIt's hardly something that takes up much time. Punting is fine so long as you set a budget and stick to it.
>>804682>eating out thai hookersNTA but the sexual health risk around going down on sex workers is really overblown. You only really run the risk of getting oral chlamydia (which can be easily treated with antibiotics) and HPV, for which there is a vaccine.
Rawdogging on the other hand…
>>804682>I guess I'll ask you this: how can some amateur gonzo porn producers be rawdogging / eating out thai hookers all the damn time?>if its 2: have pre-test STD/STI kits gotten so fast to not be a mood kill (waiting 1 hour vs 1 week for results?)do you think they pick thai girls off the street? they are probably contacted ahead of time, and request a clean test as a pre-requisite. i imagine it's sort of like sugaring a little bit. some of these girls have jobs or are full time students and moonlight as performers so they probably even need to work around a schedule and stuff
>>804685I wonder sometimes if all the mocking about STI among prostitutes or promiscuous people in general people do is a cope. I was watching some right coded chud basically berate Bonnie Blue on the internet for doing what she does. Everything out of his mouth was find god or hurr duur you have diseases. She doesn't and she seemed way more intelligent and stable than that guy did.
>>804627coercion is rape, prostitutes are having sex with you to pay the rent.
>but thats just worksure but I dont have to rape my starbucks barista to get a coffee
>>804690what if they have their usual expenses covered and only do it for extra money and a luxury dinner and stuff like that
>>804667I've mongered in Europe, Latin America, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East. SEA is the best in the holistic sense.
>>804682>>804688
>I guess I'll ask you this: how can some amateur gonzo porn producers be rawdogging / eating out thai hookers all the damn time?If the male actor is smart, they're on PrEP. The girl may be on it also. But regardless, the transmission of HIV between straight people through vaginal sex is more difficult than you would think. There's stats you can search online.
And I doubt they're doing on the spot STD tests, especially for HIV, since accurate ones would require blood to be drawn.
>>804680I didn't consider how different things are in the West. But I've had women in SEA fuck me for free after becoming close enough. Makes sense it doesn't work that way in the West.
>>804689I think this is the case, along with the human trafficking angle. No doubt it exists, but I don't believe it accounts for all that much of the sex industry as a whole. And I don't think its something that normal customers would stumble into.
>>804684>kissingI remember reading on a forum that prostitutes didn't kiss in Britain. Until the fall of the Iron Curtain, and the influx of foreign prostitutes. As I remember I saw at the the time a phone box tart card which advertised kissing and thinking no way can that really be available.
Forums aren't infallible. Their has been corruption both ways. (Beyond "prostitution is rape" if that's what some anons think. But there is a whole argument about ethical consumption in capitalism. Do anons make sure their t shirt isn'tmade in a sweatshop? To be fair some probably do.)
Punters have apparently tried to blackmail prostitutes with the threat of bad reviews.
But pimps have also tried to manipulate reviews. There was one (ex -copper!) based out of Milton keynes who was notorious for it on the "punternet" board.
But this one review site is generally a reliable source of reviews, if you're after kissing.
https://www.ukpunting.com/>It's hardly something that takes up much time. >Punting is fine so long as you set a budget and stick to it.I guess so if you've given up on dating for good. But an AI girlfriend would be cheaper. Maybe better. At least you're taking your alienation straight, so to speak. The AI isn't pretending to like you, because the AI isn't a conscious being at all.
>>804704i knew you would cop out like this
>>804707its a class thing, those high enough up the ladder can do it in a less exploitative way and in a way that less emulates rape, thats not the case in the anons discussing fucking 3rd world prozzies is it.
>>804710> thats not the case in the anons discussing fucking 3rd world prozzies is it.i suppose that's true
>>804706>I remember reading on a forum that prostitutes didn't kiss in Britain. Until the fall of the Iron Curtain, and the influx of foreign prostitutesI didn't know this. I try to avoid the eastern euros here because in my experience enough of them have a bad attitude. I stick to british girls when punting at home. Dealing with a language barrier is fucking annoying too.
>ukpuntingThat's what I mainly use these days. You get the odd sus review but most of the regulars for my region seem honest enough. I'd probably make an account myself if you didn't need to do the ID verification thing now.
>But an AI girlfriend would be cheaperWhat's the point in having a girlfriend who you can't touch?
>>804620sex with prostitutes is "rape", yes, but only in the same way that cultural appropriation is "genocide", and being white is "racist." i.e. in a way that robs these words of their impact. You can say all these things are those other things, but people will either
A) disagree with you
or
B) agree with you and rob the more severe versions of clarity.
>>804712>What's the point in having a girlfriend who you can't touch?That already happens to men after years of marriage
>>804712> I try to avoid the eastern euros here because in my experience enough of them have a bad attitude.I used to see Polish girls! "Hot Horny Tina", "Busty Angel Laura". Both now long gone. I hope they made a ton of money and have now opened up businesses or are renting out flats.
>That's what I mainly use these daysUkpunting has a lot of redactions for non members now, which doesn't make it as good a read for voyeurs like me. But threads like the Soho walk up thread are interesting. A look at a mostly disappeared world. Soho's crap now with the redevelopment.
>What's the point in having a girlfriend who you can't touch?It's like one you're on the phone to while you're at work.
>>804779>>804779> I hope they made a ton of money and have now opened up businesses or are renting out flats.Anon they're probably in pieces somewhere off the coast of an island in the Caribbean
Pro-tip: In Germany, don’t trust what the pimps say about their prozzies’ places of origins.
If they say their whores are from “Italy and Spain”, automatically assume they’re from Romania and the Balkans.
If they say they’re from “Scandinavia”, assume they’re from the Baltic countries, Ukraine, Russia and Belarus.
If they say they’re from “Western Europe”, assume they’re actually from Poland, Hungary, Czechia and Slovakia.
Fact is, Eastern Europe has a poor reputation in Germany as a poor and corrupt place, so pimps will often lie to boost the image of their prosties for sale.
>>804711Not really since JBW theory means that it’s not rape if the client is white due to class status and mystification making it so that Euro phenotype is a marker of high class in the global south.
>>804779>I used to see Polish girls!The Poles and Czechs are probably the best out of the eastern europeans tbf. Roms meanwhile…
>Ukpunting has a lot of redactions for non members nowWith a VPN you can still read full unredacted posts. You just have to use google to search for the names.
>>804801I remember once fucking a Thai bar girl and she spent the entire time obsessing over my skin and repeatedly saying "I wish I was white". She clearly had some kind of complex about her own skin which was quite brown, although I kept telling her she was beautiful and it was fine etc. Very weird experience but incredible sex cannot lie. We ended up fucking for well over the hour I'd paid for and only stopped once the mamasan started knocking on the door.
>>804799I wish we had legal brothels here too.
The MAP thread was less creepy than this shit.
>>804801i'm mexican lol. not an expat or anything i was born here. i'm not even white passing. so i guess i can 100% alleviate my guilt from using sugar dating apps.
>>804822<being a literal pedophile is less creepy than paying for sexWhy are leftists like?
>>804838Yeah, because I am fairly sure the guy who post them isnt out there snatching children from playgrounds, at worst he is jerking off on his computer, as opposed to you degenerates, who are actually doing sex crimes.
>>804840>sex crimesProstitution isn't a crime outside of christo-fascist shitholes like america.
>>804840So somehow we're worse than pedophiles for paying consenting adults to touch our peckers. Yeah, you sound like a pedo-sympathizer
you people need to be shot
>>804844Assuming they are not paying consenting minors to touch their pecker, yes, you are worse. Their sin is purely in thought, you on the other hand are actually, materially, violating real women.
>>804843Neither is adult-minor sex for that matter, and yet Christo-fascists and crypto-Christofascists will shit on their collective pants if a white man gently fucked a brown kid in Iraq instead of killing them for their ethnicity.
>>804848>violating real womenOk Karen, but your bourgeois moralism is unwelcome.
Also, thanks for admitting minors can be willing sex partners :)
>>804858I find it funny how this is a story that many guys can relate to theoretically, yet she manages to tell it in a way that is distinctly female and alienating. Despite being a loser, like many guys, she manages to project an undeserved feeling of superiority. This is further compounded by her receiving supportive comments from women.
I couldn't imagine a guy telling this story on youtube and receiving any positive comments.
>>804859> she manages to project an undeserved feeling of superiority.well she looks fairly rich lol
>>804858>>804859I'm learning so much shit that it's genuinely making me not ever want a relationship and only want sex. Idc if I always have to pay, getting involved seems like too much bullshit and exceedingly high risk in the case of marraige.
>>804885People keep misunderstanding what term "sex tourism" means. It is not literaly being a tourist who has sex, but rather an euphemism for seeking prostitutes abroad, usually because their home country criminalises it and destitute 3th world women are cheaper.
>>804896Isn't Thailand known for child prostitutes?
>>804897It's overblown tbh. Most places in Thailand don't hire girls under 20 years old, which is even more restrictive than brothels in europe.
>>804900Most bargirls seem to be pushing 30 at minimum lmaooooo
Fat in Asia too, which is an accomplishment
>>804900Okay, but that's how it lives in popular culture. So Marie must know something about Italian boys that we do not.
>>804901>Most bargirls seem to be pushing 30 at minimum lmaoooooIt's bad lmao. I find the average age of girls on soi 6 to be the lowest. Fucked a 19 year old from one of the bars along there on my last visit.
>>804905American hags travelling to Italy to get railed by Italian chadlites in their early 20s off tinder seems plausible tbf.
>>804908I can't stand Soi 6, partially because it's loud and the women are generally obnoxious, but also because younger women tend to give dogshit service. I turned down a younger women last time I was looking in favor of a woman in her mid 50s or 60s because the younger one couldn't even pretend to be interested in a conversation with me. If a woman can't at least feign interest for a few minutes over a drink, she's definitely going to short you once you give her money. Meanwhile older woman will let you talk for ages and fuck for cheap.
>>804858>>804859She’s sympathized here because she appears to be under thirty-five. If she was fifty-five telling this story, nobody would respect her.
Otherwise yea, women will always get more sympathy for loserdom (assuming that they’re still young and pretty)
But, when she ages, that will be counted against her.
>>804900Maybe that’s a recent ethical development they finally managed to do because they were tired of having their young being exploited by nasty out of shape boomers.
>>804874That is the only smart move for men in our post-1980s dating culture. Second only to buying a sex doll.
>>804913I'm too lazy to link the research but the sex industry in Asia is overwhelmingly catered to local men. As is the case everywhere really.
>>804911>younger women tend to give dogshit serviceYeah the younger girls can be hit or miss due to not having any shortage of guys who want to ST them. A few things I've found which help are:
*Only buy drinks for girls which are clearly into you. Helps if you're also young.
*If she puts zero effort into the conversation, just make excuses and leave after one round of drinks.
*Only hand over cash after fucking them and the time is fully up. Even if the mama insists otherwise, just threaten to walk and they'll cave 90% of the time.
>Meanwhile older woman will let you talk for ages and fuck for cheap.This is true. One of my best fucks last time a was a 30 yo bargirl, which is quite old for me. She was really adorable and affectionate, could have more mature conversation with her too. I got her line and would've met her again if it wasn't my last night that I found her.
>>804911That’s because older women are desperate for approval in their twilight years
>>804921>This is true. One of my best fucks last time a was a 30 yo bargirl, which is quite old for me. She was really adorable and affectionate, could have more mature conversation with her too. I got her line and would've met her again if it wasn't my last night that I found her.If thirty is old in terms of sexual preference for you, idk what to tell you.
Thirty is still young.
Fifty is old.
>>804916Even the sex tourism shit in Thailand now is primarily catered to an asian audience. Many of the girls try and make themselves look like anime characters or kpop idols, because that's what the Chinese, Jap and Korean lads want. Gone are the days when they all went for a more bimbo look, as western men prefer.
>>804927Tbh that’s kinda based
>>804924It's a matter of perspective I guess.
>>804922And I love it. Next question.
>>80492430ish is my ideal, but global hoeflation makes them less reliable than I'd like. Plus, like I mentioned, a lot of Thai bargirls are fucking fat.
>>804927I fucking hate the anime shit though.
Vaguely related, but I connected with a Thai-Chinese sex worker through WeChat and it was a great experience. She's used to fucking Chinese guys, so I was a novelty to her and received great service. Would recommend.
>>804928A weird thing I've noticed about Korean men in particular is they like going to brothels/spas in groups. I guess it's a bonding activity for them lmao.
>>804937>Vaguely related, but I connected with a Thai-Chinese sex worker through WeChat and it was a great experience. She's used to fucking Chinese guys, so I was a novelty to her and received great service. Would recommend.Making a note of this. I wonder if it would work in other parts of Asia too…
>>804940I did it in Malaysia, it should work basically anywhere in Asia that Chinese people visit. One more thing that's funny is that at least in Malaysia, there are women who advertise cleaning ears and weird beauty services on WeChat. They're very much not sex workers, that's just a weird cultural thing.
>>804937>I fucking hate the anime shit thoughWhy?
>And I love it. Next questionWhy though? It should out of genuine want.
>A weird thing I've noticed about Korean men in particular is they like going to brothels/spas in groups. I guess it's a bonding activity for them lmaoMen go to bars and nightclubs in groups so why is this considered so weird?
>>804620You seem to have this as sun that all prostitutes are doing it out of pure desperation. That’s not always true.
Any communist party worth its salt would ban you or shoot you in the head, I think we should have a similar policy on this website
>It seems like quite a few of the /siberia/ regulars frequent sex workersFucking losers. If you are an adult and you can't find someone to willingly fuck you, you are the problem.
Sluts exist. Find them. They wanna fuck you, they like it, they'll even consent to it, all you gotta do is not be a fucking trash goblin of a human being.
>>804620>All sex with prostitutes is rapeIt is and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves so they don't have to feel guilty about taking advantage of people who must sell their body to survive capitalism.
GO TO A KINK CLUB YOU DUMB HORNY FUCKS.
>>805053Otherwise good bait but the reddit spacing made it too obvious.
>>805053>GO TO A KINK CLUB YOU DUMB HORNY FUCKS.Most women at those are sex workers though.
>>805053>>805057Bro thinks there are just free sexo clubs everywhere lol, lmao. I dunno, maybe for gay sex. Can you imagine a free sexo club for heterosexual men. Like 2000 horny incels show up for every woman(and what woman would want to, bonnie blue does that shit to film and sell pornos)
>>805003if you could read (you cant) you would have read my posts discussing this nuance.
>>804913Would it be better for you if it were clean in-shape millennials?
Men cannot fuck in peace without agents of the matriarchy trying to destabilize things.
>>805071Why couldn't I have been a black man with a gigantic cock? I probably would've been tall too. I suppose the only downside would've been being black.
Do these women sign a contract before fuggin?
>>804620>>804690>>804704>>804710You’re not a Marxist, that’s for sure. You’re more of a bourgeois moralist who believes in some ideology that has made rape into this spectacular event that deserves everyone’s attention and requires everything to stop it, even if it means implementing an anti-communist state police.
Also, it’s clear that you only say that because prostitution as it exists in countries like Germany and Thailand overwhelmingly favors men and wouldn’t be a Prohibitionist if the main beneficiaries were women.
Hence why none of the SWERFs ever discuss gay prostitution LOL
>>805069And then feminazis wonder why most young men are chudding out on the woman question too.
>>805071oh GOD not fucking north africa
my mate from algeria had an american woman that calls him my muslim prince but refuses to actually pay him anything on dates or help his mom when they visit his home.
i dunno about you but it'll be bad behavior if a guy in thailand was passport bro-ing and fetishized an impoverished girl while still not helping her when it benifit him, but we'd attack the man more easily without thinking
>>805093I find this archetype fascinating because I never knew it existed for so long. I had a white American coworker who ran through Arab guys over the span of about a year. She ended up getting her ass beat by her Arab husband when he found out she was running through entire madrasas. It’s okay though because she was a garbage person who used to brag about treating men poorly.
>>805092This
>>805103And was a terrible coworker. Her career plan was just throwing others under the bus. Needless to say, she was MAGA
>>805104>she was MAGAi mean come on now even magas try to appeal to family values and monogamy why the hell would she be a MAGApede while running through guys and throwing others under the bus when they aren't appealing? what a hypocrite
>>805105Lust and biological desires make people forgo their ideals. Money also works.
>>805105It's a common sentiment I see on /pol/ that liberal women are more trad and womanly/demure than conservative women who all tend to be aggressive whores.
>>805109The trad-wife ideal is typically expressed by right-liberals who lack the material to live the american dream, when you get there you realize its a whore race against other whores to be the biggest whore in order to get the best divorce settlements.
>>805107>Lust and biological desiresIf we’re being honest with ourselves, given the opportunity, and short of something particularly unbecoming, we’d all fuck someone who we don’t ideologically align with but is really hot.
Anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous.
>>805105MAGAs don’t really believe in anything except for an inherent sense of superiority contingent upon their identity. Which is generally whiteness, but there’s a ton of non-white MAGAs that make up some shit about judeochristain values or whatever
>>805109I believe it. Try asking a liberal woman to pay the bill for food or do anything that sucks and is traditionally associated with men
>>805091Gay prostitution primarily exploits the underclass, every communist nation to ever exist has banned prostitution, in short kill yourself your ideas are slop and work backwards to justify your rape of women, any communist in power would beat you to death with a tire iron.
>>805121<Jokes on you, I refuse to read That guy, probably
>>805120>>805121And those communist countries failed to curb it. So clearly they were in the wrong.
Plus you forget that we live in a capitalist country, so pretending that prostitution is le “rape” (something you can’t even define anyway without resorting to bourgeois legalisms) is basically upper-class moralisms.
You could appeal to authority all you want, but it would still be a fallacy you dumb misandrist. Besides, do you deny free will, yes or no?
>>805129How is it any different for one, for two you should read up on what a grisette is.
>>805127We have free will, but that free will is influenced by super-structures and exists within a dialectic of pee-determined class position.
>but outliers exist within the system!And?
I would still want to eliminate the need for it, I would also disavow anyone I know personally for fucking prossies.
>>805133If you are getting women through buying shit it for them, it is no different them paying in cash. Plus you should read up on what a grisette is. Ir literally means poor destitute women who prostitute. There lives were much worse then any of these professional sex workers you are screaming about.
>>805136Just because Engell's joked about fucking prossies doesnt mean I have to agree with him, you are a retard.
>>805137Fine, don't. You are the retard who started this appeal to authority business.
>>805139Lol, just doubling down on appeal to authority. They also banned homosexuality.
>>805132In other words, you don’t think free will is real, but rather than some nebulous hyper-structure leads to determinism. Ok idealist.
> And? I would still want to eliminate the need for it, I would also disavow anyone I know personally for fucking prossies.That sounds like a case of sexual envy more than anything. Even if the prozzies were poor AF, it wouldn’t deny their agency the way ideologues like you want to. Besides you also fail to explain how rape is anything other than a legalistic term contingent on relativity moreso than racial categories which are at least based on the material reality of genetics, unlike “rape” which is solely determined by feelz and what the government thinks is more convenient and opportune.
Fact is, the very fact that most criticisms of prostitution wouldn’t even exist if men weren’t the prime beneficiaries is enough proof that the gooncerns over it (as well as over surrogacy and intergenerational intimacy) are based on sexual envy and limiting sexual opportunities for lower class men.
If we lived in a communist society, then it would be one thing. But focusing on prostitution as le bad whilst we live in a capitalist gynocentric society is basically just pearl-clutching for virtual signallers.
>>805141>sexual envybut i fuck women for free all the time anon
So let's move on to what are the legal and ethical boundaries of prostitution? Is buying exspensive gifts for a woman to fuck you prostitution? Is paying her rent and her car note prostitution? Is taking them on an all expense paid vacation prostitution?
>>805139The communist states you speak of also persecuted homosexuals and other LGBTQ people. A lot of the people running these states, whatever their merits in the fields of economics and politics, had weird moral hang ups that we should recognise.
It's also worth noting that today in Cuba, China and Laos the governments largely turn a blind eye to the sex trade, even if it is technically a crime. They at least don't waste their time setting up complex entrapment operations like the christo-fascist american cops do.
>>805145So you are saying "compensated dating" isn't prostitution?
>>805142Nothing is free uygha, we are all sex workers. Did you waste 8 hours or so amusing some THOT into pity sex or had to pay for a date? Yeah, that’s my point.
>>805142Then why do you care so much about two or more individuals doing something transactional in the privacy of their own bedrooms?
Sounds like you still have envy and sexual possessiveness despite allegedly being sexually successful.
>>805148No, not really. Is there some similarity? Sure, but are you also gonna say buying someone a drink is prostitution? I just think basically people should be able to do what they want, if someone is happy being a sex slave if they get all their bills paid then good for them. If anything I feel like the sugar daddies are often the ones getting screwed over in these arrangements by people that know they're weak
>>805153>Nothing is free, we are all sex workerscan't tell if its a soulless neoliberal subject who has internalized transactional marketplace ideology to replace normal human social relations, or just an fascist incel (are they the same thing?)
>>805155>No, not really. Is there some similarity? Sure, but are you also gonna say buying someone a drink is prostitution?Now we're talking like amounts. If every time or every other time you fuck this chick, you have to buy her a Hermes bag or whatever, I think it's pretty clearly prostitution.
>I just think basically people should be able to do what they want,Sure why not, you can't stop them anyways because you can't police interpersonal relationships like that. You can't make buying people gifts illegal or paying their bills. It seems what gets everyone bothered about out and out official prostitution is just the formality of it, when really that seems the fairest way to go about it.
>>805160Maybe it's a broad generalisation but there's a fair amount of truth to it, if your partner is bringing all the money into the home are you telling me you're not gonna work harder to please them?
>>805162I mean I still don't know if I would literally call that prostitution though obviously it's similar. But yes I guess you're right, it's about how much money you're spending. Though then again, if a billionaire buys another billionaire a Lamborghini then that's basically the same as a drink to us, so perhaps it's more about the relative amount the financial value means to the recipient.
>>805073Your white female friend going to Nairobi is the functional equivalent of your white male friend going to Pattaya. Spread the word.
>>805181>no argument>>805153turns out words dont mean anything, also women pay for MY dinner chud.
>>805165>Maybe it's a broad generalisation but there's a fair amount of truth to it, if your partner is bringing all the money into the home are you telling me you're not gonna work harder to please them?Honestly, that kind of arrangement is way closer to being a sex slave then being a professional prostitute. Me and my friend, we took this girl out for Halloween, and she brought her friend who was dating some director guy or something, living with him, life paid for by him. Young chick. My friend was trying to put the moves on her the whole night and the conversation was pretty funny. She's like "no, noo, I'm faithful to my boyfriend whatever" and my friend asked, "well where the fuck is he right now? Why isn't he taking you out tonight?" and she said: "I don't care as long as he comes home to me!" I mean it's a common sentiment you've probably heard before but it was just funny the whole back and forth the whole night.
>>805194But yeah, we picked them up from downtown at these like top-tier luxury apartments, don't know which ones of them's place it was, they probably both had sugar daddies.
>>805190Probably busted ass chicks. You get what you pay for.
>>805195>>805194Oh yeah, the other funny part of the story, my friend had met the other girl I didn't talk about much at the club, he told her what our plan was for Halloween, we were going to drive out to this party that was a little bit of a way out, like an hour drive, then she gets in the car and tries to change the plan to go to this other party, but we were like fuck that, we're doing what we're doing. Somehow the girl with the director BF didn't seem to realize until we were half way there where we were going and her friend had lied to her too about what our plan was, and she was like "no, I can't do that I have to be home by this time" because of the BF. But she was super chill, she was just like, "drop us off off right here and I'll arrange a ride."
Anyways, another point I wanted to add is in like the 1st world and shit, a lot of these chicks aren't like destitute women who have no other options or anything unless they're like a streetwalker, but even then they have options. It's just women don't want to work a shit job and rent a shit apartment like the rest of us, they want to live a life of luxury while they "still got it," so that's why they're sugar-babying, escorting, prostituting whatever. Hell even the streetwalker types, they just like to fucking get high and party 24/7.
>>805197That Socrates pfp guy is a LARPer. I can claim to be part of the Dutch royal family and that would be as truthful as that LARPer claiming to be a casanova.
Fact is, if “he” was that sexually successful, he wouldn’t be moralfagging about prosties in the first place. I mean, calling prostitution “rape” is the equivalent of calling street-cleaning “slavery”, but I’ve yet to see moralfags calling for the abolition of street-cleaning the way they cal for the abolition of prostitution. Quite funny, and really goes to show how the entire discourse is based on vibes and sexceptionalism than actual harm.
Like, how many women want to be paid for cleaning bathrooms at McDonald’s compared to being paid for sex? I know the LARPer would say the former is better because there’s no muh “coercion”, but let’s be honest the average foid would rather be a paid hoe than a paid janitor. Being a female politician is basically being a prostitute sans the downsides of actual prostitution. That, despite the fact that inceldom in America is only a thing due to prostitution being illegal sans a few super expensive brothels in Nevada.
>>805215This.
A lot of this automatic social coddling of women for having menial jobs when they live in an era of autonomy and equality is paradoxical.
Many prostitutes nowadays aren’t all born and raised in slums.
A lot of them came from well-off homes and graduated high school and even have some college experience.
These women choose to do these jobs for convenience
>>805215> Like, how many women want to be paid for cleaning bathrooms at McDonald’s compared to being paid for sex? I know the LARPer would say the former is better because there’s no muh “coercion”, but let’s be honest the average foid would rather be a paid hoe than a paid janitorAs a janitor who worked in fast food, I can confirm that female coworkers are averse to cleaning bathrooms.
I have worked in shifts where it’s female majority and I’m always the one who ends up doing both mens and women as restroom cleaning.
I’m the one that changes out the menstrual waste bags.
Any women who do janitorial work are usually either older or butch.
Your average feminine prime age woman is not gonna do it.
Reminder that prostitution is a legitimate extension of relationship dynamics
>>804689>I wonder sometimes if all the mocking about STI among prostitutes or promiscuous people in general people do is a cope.It's entirely possible. For example I've never had sex with a sex worker and don't plan to. I'm monogamous and married and my wife was my first and I was her first but I have an STD. I've had herpes since childhood. Why? Got it from my own mother. I've had friends who have been 100 times more promiscuous than me who don't even have herpes. So while there is a correlation with number of partners and STD occurrence, it's not written in stone. You can be careful. Frequent checkups is good.
White women travel to poor countries to get piped by poor local men and receive no social shame, yet men who do the same are ostracized. Explain.
>>806396Sexual envy reified by gendered double standards in a society where bourgeois feminism is part of the power structure (especially in Anglo countries).
Now, I understand why leftists would push back at the phenomenon of first world men using their advantage within the modern status quo of global inequality as leverage to get pussy in situations where they wouldn’t be able to in their home countries. But:
- It’s all sexual envy masquerading as moral outrage
- It’s hard to take the opposition from firstie women and thirdie men seriously as it sounds no different than chuds whining about black men taking all the white wimmins with their BiBiSi
- The implication, if taken at face value, is that first world men sexually that are unsuccessful in their own countries should remain perpetually incel/virgin, bite the dust or contend themselves with scabs as opposed to improve their situation in materially non-harmful ways.
Basically, the outrage is all BS
>>806400The same reason why isekai is hated on
>buying sex is criminalized in most of the modern world
lumpen behavior
>>806437By Marx's own definition lumpen are the ones selling sex. Getting your paycheck and immediately spending a chunk of it on whores is prole behavior through and through. Stop appropriating our culture.
I had an opportunity to fuck a Mongolian hooker once but didn’t, and I regret it.
>>804620I don't care, life is about getting what you want, these whores need to learn.
>>804620saying this is only valid if you are a sexless male who also refuses to pay for it.
being a sexhaver and saying shit like this is funny as fuck, you don't know how it feels to not touch a pussy, you are speaking from privilege.
>>804620If you believe that, than call it what it is: Slavery, trafficking.
"Sex work" legitimizes it into something anyone can do. This is the argument I always hear from trans that they have to do porn because people ain't hiring them
1: Ain't nobody getting hired
2: That's just not fucking true as it still does not explain posting your butthole for the world to see when you've got 20 subscribers on X
They're just perverts. If that bothers them than do better. I'm not going to baby the sexually demented and there is lots of people sexually demented trans and cis alike
>>808374There’s this popular sympathized misconception that most sex workers are underprivileged girls that wanna better then
That’s becoming increasingly less true as the years go by
Most prostitutes are just relatively middle class or socioeconomically adjacent women who don’t wanna do any real work
They think they can get better pay spreading their legs than flipping burgers
Most don’t even throw it out in meatspace these days, they wanna sell nude videos of themselves
>>808384You'd have to fuck hookers to know this.
>>808386I think he mostly fucked old hairy men.
>>808387????
>>808386I have befriended a few
>>805129wining and dining IS prostitution, all men are jhons minus big dick bums with no money.
the only truly ethical men in sex are the ones that don't pay for anything.
A consistent observation I’ve noticed among African prostitutes online is that they misrepresent themselves way more than other races. They’ll often lie about their nationality and use fake pictures. The pictures they use tend to be of American, Latin American, or Caribbean black women, and they'll claim being from those same countries. They also tend to lie about being mixed race often.
I honestly think they’re the worse prostitutes to deal with, despite their low price. Many of times I’ve tried to fuck an African hooker, I ended up leaving because what I arrived to looked like something that ate what was in the picture. And they’re fairly aggressive. I’ve had multiple lock me into rooms and become violent when I refused to have sex with them.
Their obsession with being light skinned actually trumps most Asian women. Whereas Asian women lighten pictures of them a few shades, African women outright use pictures of overtly mixed race women. It really showcases their psyche imo.
Pairing this with their statistically higher HIV rates, they’re not worth it imo. They’re not even that much cheaper.
any one who buys a prostitute has no fucking game and is literally a rapist.
Its called exchange rape, rape occurring as the result of bargaining.
If they didnt wanna fuck you before money was involved, it's economically exploitative rape.
The fact that you cant find a kink group or something like that where theirs free sex means you should just stay home and masturbate until you are actually attractive enough to someone.
Any sort of person who claims to be a leftist and still pays for sex is a hypocritical looser and a shitty predator.
>>805058>Bro thinks there are just free sexo clubs everywhere Their are, and you aren't getting invited because you're a fucking sex pest that didnt pass a vibe check.
>>810140You are a rapist.
>>810142You need mental help
>>810143stop being a fucking rapist.
No one told you you need to pay money to get laid, you choose to do it because you're unfuckable to a normal person.
>>810142>masturbate until you are actually attractive enough to someoneThat works? Holy shit I should be the biggest gigachad in the world then.
>>810144No man gets laid for free. Unless he is Chad and Chad is
'rare. You just sound like a bitter misandrist.
Africans also love the term “mistress”. It’s cringe.
>>810144Plenty of hookers love their job.
>>810146Its better than being a fucking rapist.
>>810147>No man gets laid for freeYou dont. Plenty do. Be more attractive in other ways, get a hobby, go meet people and stop shitposting and maybe someone will fuck you.
>>810155>Plenty of hookers love their job.You seem to have a hard time understand that, if you pay them to fuck you its still rape, because it's economic coercion. If you cant understand that, you're not only fucking stupid, you dont have the very basic understanding to be any kind of leftist.
>>810160You’re mentally ill
>>810162you are still just a rapist try to justify your own abusive and predatory urges. You are scum. You can do whatever mental gymnastics you need to feel better about renting a human, but the truth is you are a lonely piece of scum unable to get into a real human relationship because you either fail to realize you are an abusive predator of vulnerable people or you dont care, either way, you are fucking scum.
Please, tell me how its actually a good thing for you to find someone who would have no other reason to be near you other than you to fuck them so they can afford rent. Tell me how noble you are for it!
I've never hired a sex worker and don't enjoy sex tbh but wish I could hire someone for companionship/touching. Sounds weird and I'm sure it exists somewhere but not here where I am anyway.
>>810183most escorts will do exactly that if you ask for it, and are used to requests like those but experience varies, some of them are really good at acting and some of them will do it but it'll feel awkward. but if you want a more typical "dating" experience and want to feel something closer to the actual thing but still feel like you need to pay to convince anyon because you're an unloveable freak, then maybe try sugar dating, like seeking arrangement i dunno.
>>810160>if you pay them to fuck you its still rape, because it's economic coercionPlenty of people fuck strangers for free. Taking money for something you'd do for free isn't economic coercion.
>>810185I'm not into the dating thing I just want someone to be physically intimate with/companionship without sex unless you mean like a house date. I've heard of people offering this kind of service in Japan and Korea but not where I am.
>>810190where are you? if you're in the US then yes, you can probably pay someone to do exactly that.
>>810198I'm in the Gulf rn but I should probably move back to Europe ASAP
blaming men that can't get sex without paying is like demonizing thieves for stealing while not giving them a job.
uygha I want pussy, and I don't want to take part in the humiliating time wasting rituals it takes to get it, I would rather pay for it, if you want me to stop paying for whores get me a not ugly woman to give me coochie without making it a whole song and dance, I'm not willing to put up with the bullshit and I don't care what anyone says.
I lost my virginity to a prostitute at 24 and banged like 5 more prostitutes, then I got laid with non prostitute women and let me tell you, paying for pussy saved my life, I could never get laid normally if I didn't pay for it first, whores literally teach you how to have sex.
it's one life, and I will not be shamed into not experiencing probably one of the best things in it because I didn't do it "ethically", sorry dude but I simply don't care if you call it rape, I know I didn't break a brick over her head and penetrated her while she screamed for help, your modern feminist definition of rape doesn't mean shit to me.
>>810225
You banged a hooker for god?
Women hate prostitution because it undermines their monopoly in the sexual marketplace. I will die on this hill. Any ideological argument they make is disingenuous. They don’t want you satisfied so you’re desperate.
>>810245So it’s just the same way that men will hate on pretty boys and dragon dildos and dogs
>>810270I don't hate on any of those, just let me have my express no feelings involved pussy for 50.99 usd and you can get knotted all day
>>810270Men are literally the biggest buyers of dogs and dragon dildos so this statement makes no sense.
>>810270one of those is not like the other (stop molesting your pets)
Mods delete the child porn please
>>810160>>810163Anon you're being retarded. Prostitution isnt rape because it's done voluntarily. Most women who do it nowadays are not all from poverty.
They're Middle class women who don't wanna do elbow grease.
You're infantilizing women.
By your logic, men working in day labor because that's the only form of employment available for them is considered rape.
The anon(s) on here that say prostitution is rape are awfully quiet about military conscription.
These anons are pathetic white knights
>>810316What do you mean by doubt? Dragon dildos aren't bought by cis women, even quirky chungus ones, they are being bought by freaky men.
>>810324It just proves then that men are the mainly sexually diverse people. Women only don sexual positivity for likes
>>806394oral herpes (hsv-1) is actually most commonly spread in childhood, most of the time by your mother/father kissing you on the cheek or using the same utensils as them
>>810163Being able to acquire money by having sex is a privilege. Everywhere prostitution is practiced, there are also people who are not able to practice prostitution due to age, gender, disability and/or low attractiveness and who are still expected to support themselves. Prostitutes could also support themselves using the same means as those who are not able to practice prostitution. Prostitution is a privilege reserved mostly to young attractive women.
>>810320>Prostitution isnt rape because it's done voluntarily.No. IF they wouldnt have sex for you if their was no money involved its fucking rape. Its fucking called Exchange rape, stop makeing fucking excuses for renting person that doesn't wanna fuck you. It called coercion of an exploited person.
>Most women who do it nowadays are not all from poverty.- doesn't matter how much money a person has or what their economic class is, if they are fucking you for money when they normally wouldn't, it's rape.
- Most people who do sex work are poor, so shut the fuck up.
>They're Middle class women who don't wanna do elbow grease.You have clearly never been a sex worker or around them.
>You're infantilizing women.Your assumption that all sexwork is done by women is a fantasy of your own making. And to say that i am infantilizing them speaks to your own mental gymnastics to justify own predatory wants.
>By your logic, men working in day labor because that's the only form of employment available for them is considered rape.Not rape, unless the day labor is sexwork. You are so close to understanding the line between coercion and rape.
>>810321>he anon(s) on here that say prostitution is rape are awfully quiet about military conscription.Were we talking about that anon or did you need a strawman to help you justify wanting to be a pathetic fucking rapist?
>>810354You are wrong about so many of your assumptions that I don't even know where to begin so i wont and ill just wait for you to say some more stupid bullshit.
>>810358Sorry for being pedantic but you seem kinda dumb
>>810144You’re just proving the other anon correct
>>810212>blaming men that can't get sex without paying is like demonizing thieves for stealing while not giving them a job.No one owes you sex you pathetic fucking waste of oxygen.
You are a rapist, willing to get what you want through explicit coercion. Not for something you need, but for something you want.
>I don't want to take part in the humiliating time wasting rituals it takes to get it.Its called being an adult. You talk to people, find common interests and then find someone who wants to fuck you. Its not that hard, really. The fact that you just wanna bust a nut doesn't give you any right to do anything at all. You are still a rapist scum fuck.
The fact that you can't find someone to fuck you willingly already speaks volumes to the kind of piece of shit you are. There are whore's EVERYWHERE. You are just pathetically unfuckable and it shows.
>>810217> I could never get laid normallyGee, i wonder why. Maybe its because you give off pathetic sexpest vibes.
> I will not be shamed into not experiencing probably one of the best things in it because I didn't do it "ethically"So you are a rapist and you are fine with it. I hope we meet one day so i can stab you in the neck you unapologetic rapist scum.
>your modern feminist definition of rape doesn't mean shit to me.Yes thats very clear. Please do the women of the world a favor and slit your wrists before you cause anyone else any more damage.
>>810359No. Make me.
>>810360And you seem not to understand coercion and the concept of rape.
Probably because you want to justify it. You dont want to be the bad guy. No decent person WANTS to be a rapist, but people do love not realizing the pain they inflict on the world for their own selfish desires. And im just not going to let you do that.
If you wanna feel good about renting a human being to use their holes and not think about the exploitation and coercion involved inherently involved in that for your own souls sake, then do it in the company of other unapologetic rapists.
>>810358>Not rape, unless the day labor is sexwork. You are so close to understanding the line between coercion and rape. This is the crux of the problem.
You’re Comfusing prostitution with rape
>You have clearly never been a sex worker or around themUnlike you I actually have. Most of these women could easily apply for fast food or retail or college but they don’t want to. There’s plenty of career training programs they could go into.
They don’t wanna do that
>No. IF they wouldnt have sex for you if their was no money involved its fucking rape. Its fucking called Exchange rape, stop makeing fucking excuses for renting person that doesn't wanna fuck you. It called coercion of an exploited person. Then prostitution isn’t voluntary
>Your assumption that all sexwork is done by women is a fantasy of your own making. And to say that i am infantilizing them speaks to your own mental gymnastics to justify own predatory wantsYour counter argument just proves my point.
>>810362I noticed you didn't respond to my (very specific) argument at all. Is that because you aren't able?
>>810362>Its called being an adult
>but muh rape rape rapeAnon, you sound like a broken record
>>810361all i see is a bunch of pathetic people with no game trying to justify their exploitation of other human beings for there sake of their own self-gratification. I dont care if you dont like it, i dont care if you agree and i will tell you what you are for what you do. I can tell you why its wrong a thousand times, you predators will always find an excuse. But i will call you what you are.
Rapists.
i wont let you feel good about it. The first part of understanding it as a problem is to know what you are doing is wrong. Maybe, just maybe, some of you will even understand and change. But that's a pipedream. So i will say it. Over and over.
>>810358>doesn't matter how much money a person has or what their economic class is, if they are fucking you for money when they normally wouldn't, it's rape. >Most people who do sex work are poor, so shut the fuck up.So you’re deliberately lying to my face.
You need to shut the fuck up
Any woman who is doing prostitution that isn’t in poverty or debt is not being raped. They’re doing it out pure opportunism.
They shouldn’t be morally coddled.
To argue otherwise is to admit that you’re being a willful white knighting ignoramus
>>810368Anon, I think you need to touch grass or grow up. It’s apparent to all of us that you have never dealt with prostitutes at all.
You have this shallow moralism about you where you imagine that they’re these helpless little puppies living in shambles.
They’re not
If prostitution is rape, why do these sex workers whom are young pretty and able bodied willfully choose it instead of going to college, military, day labor, or career programs
There are people who come from poverty who never resort to prostitution.
They go to school and work dead end jobs back-to-back
Theyre not considered rape victims
>>810365What fucking argument? You want me to go point by point telling you why it's wrong to be a rapist? Why its wrong to use money for coercive sex? If you dont understand that, what the fucking point?
>>810367Good. fuck you, you're a rapist.
>>810369No m8, your just a rapist trying to justify your own sociopathic desire to nut regardless of what the other person wants.
You are a rapist. You want to ignore reality in favor of your own fiction, like many people. You are so committed to trying to justify what you want that you are willing to ignore the reality of economics, of power and the damage you do.
>>810370> It’s apparent to all of us that you have never dealt with prostitutes at all.I was a sex worker. I worked on a phone sex line. I once tried to unionize a strip club. I was also a bouncer for a few fetish parties. I know exactly what kind of people you are. Rapists.
>You have this shallow moralism about you where you imagine that they’re these helpless little puppies living in shambles.Nope. What part about rape has to do with moralism? Its quite clear-cut: if they dont wanna fuck you if their was no money involved, it's exchange rape. Morality need not be invoked, its rape.
>If prostitution is rape, why do these sex workers whom are young pretty and able bodied willfully choose it instead of going to college, military, day labor, or career programsWhat part of economic coercion do you not understand? People get paid money, in exchange for sex. People need money to not die in a capitalist society. If they dont fuck you, they dont get paid, and if they keep not doing that, they eventually die.
Thats why its rape, why is that so hard to understand?
What you need to do is stop justifying being a rapist. You cant be this stupid about economic coercion and be any kind leftist.
>There are people who come from poverty who never resort to prostitution.Yup.
>They go to school and work dead end jobs back-to-backYup, its call being a worker, and its means you are being economically exploited. Which is wrong and should not happen.
> Theyre not considered rape victimsYes. But you see, they would, by your own definition, be exploited. Just like you are trying to justify the exploitation of the prostitute, so do capitalists try and rationalize their exploitation of the workers.
You are using the rapist logic of capital to justify your abuse toward other people for the sake of sex.
>>810372>You are using the rapist logic of capital to justify your abuse toward other people for the sake of sexDidn’t you say day laborers aren’t raped?
>What part of economic coercion do you not understand? People get paid money, in exchange for sex. People need money to not die in a capitalist society. If they dont fuck you, they dont get paid, and if they keep not doing that, they eventually die. Thats why its rape, why is that so hard to understand?
So you’re avoiding the question.
>I was a sex worker. I worked on a phone sex line. I once tried to unionize a strip club. I was also a bouncer for a few fetish parties. I know exactly what kind of people you are. Rapists.There it is.
Did you come from poverty? Where there any jobs that were available to you that could’ve been done instead of sex?
>>810372<There are people who come from poverty who never resort to prostitution.
>Yup. So your angle of economic coercion is overdone
>>810374Your argument makes too many false assumptions to do anything with. Lets starts with this
>Being able to acquire money by having sex is a privilege. No, its not, its a job. Unless you are saying all voluntary labor is a privilege, because i can see that argument. Would be worse to be a sex slave, but that would also be very clearly rape as well.
>Everywhere prostitution is practiced, there are also people who are not able to practice prostitutionNo shit, thats called a society.
>age, gender, disability and/or low attractivenessNONE, i must emphasize this, NONE of these disqualify you from doing sex work. There are male prostitutes, there are old prostitutes, there are child prostitutes, there are one-legged blind prostitutes, there are trans prostitutes and there are, i suppose, ugly prostitutes, though beauty is subjective so the entire premise of that is dubious at best.
The point is, just because you personally wouldn't fuck them doesn't mean they dont exist. Of course they do.
>Prostitution is a privilege reserved mostly to young attractive women.But its not. I mean sure, thats a lot of them, but to say its a privilege in the same way as like the child of a billionaire is privileged is not just wrong, its confusing as to why you would even think that. I dont think you understand the concept of being privileged as i do.
>>810380You are still ignoring the point of the argument. Please explain why prostitutes can't acquire money using the same means as other poor people who are not prostitutes.
>>810377Look, i know you wanna just have sex. Thats all well and good. Sex is great. If you can't wrap your head around prostitution being inherently economically coercive, rape and exploration then I don't know what else to tell you. You can see it, its not hard to understand it. You need to stop justifying it for your own feelings' sake and realize it's wrong to rent a human being who would, in any other given situation, not be fucking you. You can do better anon, you can be better. We all can. No one has to be a rapist, no one need to buy a prostitute. The world is full of horny people who want to fuck, you just gotta find one that likes you and make the effort.
>>810381>You are still ignoring the point of the argument.I dont think i am.
>Please explain why prostitutes can't acquire money using the same means as other poor people who are not prostitutes.So do you want me to explain the concept of unemployment, poverty and choice? Plenty of prostitutes have other jobs and responsibilities, and they found out sex for money helped them survive or thrive in the economic situation they find themselves in. It does not change the fact that they are being raped for money. This is also just ignoring all the other issues with prostitution, like how unsafe it makes people and how it creates a market for unwilling people to be put in a position where they are being forced to be a prostitute. Why are we gonna pretend that human trafficking isn't a thing, or pimps, or murder of a vulnerable population?
>>810384No, I want you to explain why prostitutes can't acquire money using the same means as other poor people who are not prostitutes.
>>810362>No one owes you sex you pathetic fucking waste of oxygen. I'm not letting you moralize me into not living my life chuddie, I know what I want and what I need, I will not compromise who I am to please a feminist behind a screen or his opinions of what is or what isn't rape, I know I'm not a rapist.
>Its called being an adult>'just be normal and fall in line with social rituals and coercion, dance to music you don't like, drink alcohol and MAYBE we will reward you with some sex, chud'nah, I'm not waiting for the state sanctioned to have sex, I'm gonna do it my way, and end up spending less money anyway
>insults insults insultsuygha that works in real life, you can't shame/bully people in forums lmaoooo
I have gotten laid without paying for it and its basically paying anyway, some aspects of the sex may be better because they put more of an effort but the ammount of time spent just talking to a person you wouldnt talk to in any other scenario just to get some pussy makes you feel like a dupe, like damn yeah I just fucked but this shit doesn't feel worth it at all, this bitch is dumb and I don't even like her.
in whores I know bare minimum what I'm getting and maybe I will get pleasantly surprised sometimes if they get horny and get into the sex (I have a big penis).
the reality is that if you are not a normie and have weird tastes in media, music, if you talk a little different, if don't like going to bars or concerts, if you don't like dancing, if you don't drink alcohol non prostitute sex is harder to come by.
it's easy to say go to a bar or a club when you like doing those things anyway, going to a bar or a club just to get laid is how you don't end up getting laid, so what? I should just stay a virgin because I don't like participating in the activities most people like? fuck you Imma do what I want
>>810448Dont engage them.
Report and block them
men who frequent prostitutes are just men who don't want to go through the bullshit of social rituals and consumerist culture.
I think it's a good comparison to put myself in the same place as a woman who doesn't shave her body hair or use beauty products because she doesn't care what people think.
consumerist culture thrives off dating and hookup culture, men go into debt to impress women to get sex, but instead of the money going directly into the hands of a woman it gets syphoned by clothing brands expensive restaurants, clubs overcharging you for drinks, etc.
>>810452Fucking trvke. If you filter women out of any kind of non gender-biased(doesn't matter, had sex! [Insert image of little toddler boy making fist gesture]) status you are pretty much guarunteed to be an "incel."
>>810452>maybe I will get pleasantly surprised sometimes if they get horny and get into the sex (I have a big penis).This aspect of fucking hookers is so addicting for me. Most encounters are mid, but when I find a girl that’s into me, it’s so cash. I honestly love making hookers cum.
Once I fucked a madam so well she actually quit selling pussy and become my girlfriend. Like no shit, she even tricked me into meeting her family back in her home country and got me to participate in some weird ass Buddhist Folk love ritual. I’m probably cursed now for breaking up with her lmao. It’s weird thinking about it in retrospect, but our whole relationship started with me haggling her down to like $70 after uyghing her, and her leg locking me so that I couldn’t pull out (always use a condom, bros) and asking me to sleep over. And this culminated in me involuntarily hanging out with her brother, sister, and younger cousin at a mall eating hotpot.
Implicitly, she was a terrible partner and had a ton of baggage. She was insanely hot though. Massive (real) tits and a nice ass too. I still have videos of me fucking her that I jerk off too.
Part of why she was a bad partner was that she was lowkey physically and mentally abusive, and lived for male attention. Not in the sense of dressing like a whore, she actually dressed very conservatively, but she was an emotional vampire. Whenever we would argue she would post on social media so that her bench of simps would comfort her. It was both comical and sad at times. Other sex workers I fucked before and was on good terms with would show me her posts and tell me about the shit she would do behind the scenes. Like she was weird.
Anyway, one simp was her ex. We’d argue about some shit and she would legit call him for hours and send me the screenshot to try to make me jealous. The guy lived in a different country so they definitely weren’t fucking. Like clockwork, I’d get off work and fuck her all night and we’d make up for a bit, and the cycle would continue. The guy was providing hours of emotional labor just for me to fuck her senseless every night. Like seriously imagine being an emotional tampon to a girl for hours and then her getting railed by the guy she’s complaining about within like an hour of ending the call. Another time we had got done fucking after arguing and she showed me texts she sent to a simp where she was gushing over how big my dick was. Felt good.
Eventually it all became too much for me and I cut her off. I feel bad because it was abrupt, and I could’ve at least given her feedback for the next relationship, although her fuck ups were fairly obvious imo. Like at its core, don’t deliberately do things to elicit a negative response from your partner.
>>810465yeah that reads like a rape story, you raped that poor innocent woman /s
>>810467Afterwards, six gorillion wimminz were RAPED!!!! per day because you rented out some prostie!!!!
What would Engels think of this?!
*Ignore the fact that Engels wouldn’t mind spending 5000 francs to have sex with a French whore
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