Objectively, without moralizing: what’s wrong with being a cuck? Especially if we’re talking about fapping to NTR hentai - it’s not even real, after all.
it gives u too much aura and makes everyone else look like a fucking loser
glad to see somone with no problem towards it
i'll make sure to leave my cum in your crush's ass as lube for you after i'm done my king
cuck chair wouldnt be that bad if u were aurafarming tbh
Nothing is wrong with it, it’s all performative moralfagging. And most of these anti NTR people are weird about masculinity.
>>816782>That's disgusting! Please seek helpWhy can't normies just say, "I hate you and I hope you die"? What’s with the charade-acting as if you wish me well, when all you really want is to humiliate and insult me even more?
>>816763>Objectively>what’s wrongWhit that framing, the answer is
always nothing. Objectively, something just
is or
is not, true or false, factually correct or incorrect. You need subjectivity in the picture to make a value judgement.
dislikes NTR = has low 1Q and emotional intelligence
The problem is I'm not your bull (yet)
>>816849>not having my kinks accepted by the larger public is like telling me to suicideDramaqueen
>>816788>I'm also bi so I like the idea of stealing bfs AND gfs.your greed, it sickens me
>>816907Shortest leftist meme:
>>816906Peple normalize the idea of having total control over the sexual life of their partner, and when I want to break that cycle I'M the greedy one? Reconsider.
I love watching naive cucks suffer in NTR. I wish there was more with suicide and mom's forgetting their son's name/existance.
>>816848that one reel where the guy was coaching his cuck stars
>>816939dayum anon that's a lot, like what hits the spot for you? the despair? the absolute removal from life? the genepool? why does brutal humiliation and seperation hit the spot for you i really wanna know
>>816763Nothing. Im just not into it.
What do we call female cucks?
>>817040Women can't be cucked.
>>816939based. its hotter when the cuck tries to fight back and the chad beats the shit out of him, and that turns the gf on
>>817040cuckqueans but it doesn't have the same brutality to it, most women aren't attracted to most men, not the reverse so an adultrous guy is seen as a very high package, and he can just have sex with both, like a soft harem, always seen as one guy can repopulate a village, so the best guy is actually a manwhore to girls
only men can be cucked out of a lovelife
>>817043Dick is free, abundant, highly replaceable. Men's bodies are not permanently and significantly altered by reproduction. Chad can be shared.
>>817045Ah, so it's got the Game of Thrones kind of brutality to it then?
>>817044There should be porn of this. And good writing too!
>>817044>>816939chud neckbeard virgin, soyboy. why do so many people have a hateboner against men with no sexlife and worship the reverse? incel is like the absolute insult
>>817047nah brah, not even mgtow fucks talk of women biologically as subhuman like that lol
>>817047>>817051>nah brah, not even mgtow fucks talk of women biologically as subhuman like that lolNope, they do and I'm surprised to find this talk here. It's not mgtow anymore if it's common sense now.
>>817053see this is what im talking about, the thread started with people saying its kinks don't look too much into it and now they say its actually real life that's actually why you're triggered by it.
>>817056incels prefer power fantasies that allow them to view themselves as badass chads
NTR is a brutal reality check for them, its like looking at a mirror which is why they hate it
>>817053Who reads this stuff? Is it men, women? LGBTs?
>>817058lmao
then i guess all the schizo babble on just don't hate women or plenty of options is a meme, if this is reality, just be a chad, if you're not born with the features because looks matter, alter youself at any age because fucking more women than the other guy makes you not an incel.
like, to never be a cuck or a single dude you shouldn't think of women as people. just lift and do 200 surgeries to be a chad lmao..escape your genes…all this to be loved more than the next male btw..
>>817056>>817058Can we just make memes with couples and a PS2 circle button above the male like it's GoW?
>>817066maybe on a good imageboard
>>817062Why do fetishes and fantasies spill over into debates like this?
>>817068ask the other guy anon, the thread's already saying anyone who hates NTR only does it because that's "real life"..like the kink is derived from current society, sex recession, all that shit, most women only interacting with the same guys and what not.
anon already said anyone who hates it hates it because real life is chads and cucks and you're a cuck.
>>817062To not be an incel is just be able to reliably have sex without unnecessary effort. Chad doesn't worry about the next woman or the next man either. He knows he can get laid and he can "just be himself". However to get to that point requires being highly photogenic and wealthy. Anything less means chasing, strughling, and enduring hundreds (or even thousands) of humiliation rituals for a woman who will grow to resent you quickly. Getting a job is way easier.
>>817071anon i'm starting to think the kick here is just the suffering, male virgins are already treated as useless goods, dating is full of ghosting, is this the thrill of it? sex with a side of suffering? a side of just…being ignored or told you don't belong in the orgy, or even in having kids?
>>817071>To not be an incel is just be able to reliably have sex without unnecessary effort.So it's just a definition then? What if I don't believe in it. Then what? What are you gonna do?
>>817075You're still not getting laid anyway, you can think you're worthy but women aren't going to agree.
>>817077>You're still not getting laid anyway, you can think you're worthy but women aren't going to agree.picrel: Uh oh I fell off, I guess I'm an incel now. Maybe I was always an incel?
There are many things many people are never going to get and it has been that way forever.
>>817078and now that thing includes the basic feelings of romance with the other sex. atleast by a landslide for one gender
maybe anon is right, this is not just a fetish because the story is hot, people are now actively getting off to the men not having intimacy or sex, something alrady rampant, to the "conquest" and "corrupting".
My bf and I cuck each other all the time. Really what we have is an open relationship, but we both enjoy cuck stuff from both sides. So when I'm with somebody else I'll be teasing him about it, sending him pics and updates and stuff while he simps and squirms. Then he goes out with somebody else and does the same thing to me. It's a lot of fun tbh.
>>817080Are you both guys?
>>817062thats not what youre supposed to take out of it
its hentai, its exaggerated, but the overall message NTR authors are trying to present is ultimately correct
the cuck is almost always a weak, cowardly, jealous, insecure loser who views his gf as his slave and never tries to improve himself
hes the incel self insert, except usually this character archetype is never punished for his behaviour, in fact, usually he is rewarded just for being born, if youre familiar with isekai or other manga genres youd know that the self insert is always handed everything, his story is a power fantasy, sometimes he will enslave others, humiliate them, step over people, and he will always be the center of the universe.
but in the world of NTR, hes no longer the protagonist, the world doesnt bend itself to his whims, a lot of the times it will do everything it can to fuck him over personally, its unfair at times, and most importantly, his girl is not just a one dimensional waifu that was added there to make the audience horny, instead, she is a human being with her own independent thoughts, and she can make decisions on her own, even if they end up hurting the incel
then you have the chad. he represents the greatest insecurities of the incel: that he is not manly or alpha enough. the chad in NTR is usually an overexaggerated alpha, incredibly strong, dominant, funny, charismatic, the type of person who incels would call a "normie", and definitely has felt intimidated by this person irl. usually in manga these chads are portrayed as cocky assholes who challenge the smaller protag and get beat up, learning their lesson to never underestimate scrawny nerds, almost like the anime version of david and goliath
but once again, this trope is subverted in NTR. many times the chad will also be presented as a rival or an enemy, and he acts in a very smug way precisely to trigger that insecurity and feeling of inferiority in our incel protagonist. except instead of winning this conflict because the universe said so, the incel is actually put into a position where hes vulnerable, kind of like a hacker having to face someone with cheats turned of, thus the incel loses and is humiliated.
and heres the most important part: the incel not only loses to a chad, but hes humiliated by his very blow up doll waifu, the one who was supposed to stroke his ego and never question him. here, she will call him pathetic, to the incel, the very idea of a woman talking back and shittalking him is incredibly emasculating and probably the worst blow to their ego. this is where incels wild out and start coming up with violent scenarios in their heads, sometimes drawing "alternate endings" where things go like theyre supposed to go, where the incel MC gets his "hacks" back and wins his battle with chad
NTR is a brutal reality check for this type of person. it reminds tuem that theyre not the protagonist of the world, that they arent entitled to anything, that the world can be unfair, that others are better than you in some aspects, that jealousy brings you nothing and that women arent objects you can control. its a brutal blackpill for the incel, but if analysed by a critical mind it can be seen as a critique of the modern male. NTR isnt porn, NTR is modern art
>>817079>maybe anon is right, this is not just a fetish because the story is hot, people are now actively getting off to the men not having intimacy or sex, something alrady rampant, to the "conquest" and "corrupting".Sorry, it's a human and trend thing. If they can get to you they will get to you and fuck you up. You just have to build a life and an identity and learn stuff.
>>817081Yes but he's a femboy and I'm masc.
>>817084This isn't how normies function
>>817076>>817079>and now that thing includes the basic feelings of romance with the other sex. atleast by a landslide for one genderInvest in VR sex
>>814664 to take care of business and touch grass and self-improve. They call it self-improvement but it's just growth.
>>817086Normies suck. I'd rather die than be one. What, you want me to ask how his day was? Argue with him about doing the dishes? No, I'm going to punch him in the stomach and call him a fag before cuddling on the couch and making him smell my dirty socks. Then I'll ask him how his day was, only after all the weird stuff.
>>817080>My bf and I cuck each other all the time. Really what we have is an open relationship, but we both enjoy cuck stuff from both sides. So when I'm with somebody else I'll be teasing him about it, sending him pics and updates and stuff while he simps and squirms. Then he goes out with somebody else and does the same thing to me. It's a lot of fun tbh.If normies did this they'd get a mental condition.
>>817090Maybe they should consider chilling the fuck out then.
>>817088>Normies suck. I'd rather die than be one.I mean, you weren't born one so you don't really have a choice. Not that it's better or worse.
You can't be one.
>>817092>Maybe they should consider chilling the fuck out then.Maybe normies should not fuck with cucking or do really far out deviant stuff or else they get hurt.
>>817082ahh but this logic only works if every cuck is this pampered never improving incel who only wins in his brain, im thinking its the only way you can get off to this
but, seems like in some NTRs the cucked can literally just be a boyfriend or a husband that is naive, i literally get thrown an NTR here and there and the premise isn't that the cucked is a chud, is that he isn't born big enough..chad enough…
some mfs will read it and see the message as i need to be a chad then i can freely be a chud. being good looking and dominant, its all that matters. do it or get replaced
>>817095>some mfs will read it and see the message as i need to be a chad then i can freely be a chud. being good looking and dominant, its all that matters. do it or get replacedThis is probably largely true especially if your chick is even mildly attractive.
>>817095the unfairness is actually part of what im talking about. feel-good escapism trains you to expect the universe to reward the protagonist, NTR can do the exact opposite: sometimes you dont get justice, sometimes youre not the strongest, sometimes being a good person doesnt magically protect you from losing something you care about and that the world doesnt owe you a satisfying happy ending
and obviously someone can read that and take the completely opposite lesson that they need to become a chad so this never happens, but thats basically just trying to restore the power fantasy after the story took it away, once again that ties back to my point of the incel audience wanting to turn the "hacks" back on so they can feel in control. youre turning the critique into another self improvement/status fantasy instead of recognising it as a subversion of the trope
the whole point isnt "be a chad or get replaced". its "why do you think becoming a chad would make you entitled to never be replaced in the first place?"
if you could sum its philosophy itd be "memento mori"
>>817082Should probably come with the disclaimer that this "art" doesn't represent real life. Probably missing from most of TV, could have prevented incels.
>>817099lmao this reminds me of this girl in my group, her boyfriend is 6'3. plays basketball, and she literally cheated on him with a manlet shorter than even me. the one she cucked him with wasn't even that good looking, and you'd think women only cuck you with chad, but here she cucked her "chad" and told me to keep the secret
uygha and its all because she got into an argument with him. that's all it needs to be replaced…so your premise is still not enough appearantly, laregly true but never true as well
Are their ntrs where the incel cucks the chad?
>>817104Incels are born not made
>>817107Incels are a definition, they're not real
>>817106there's a bi one where the incel literally fucks the chad
>>817103
>opposite lesson that they need to become a chad so this never happensliterally said this, seen a couple where you'd think the basketball player is the prize and he was still cheated on anyway.
>>817105>lmao this reminds me of this girl in my group, her boyfriend is 6'3. plays basketball, and she literally cheated on him with a manlet shorter than even me. the one she cucked him with wasn't even that good looking, and you'd think women only cuck you with chad,I witnessed a similar thing happen IRL. Incels really don't exist.
>>817109>>817107if its any reassuring ive seen a man with 4 kids be called an incel
>>817113The word should probably be recognised as both misandry/misogyny and banned because of that.
>>817111>there's a bi one where the incel literally fucks the chadI've heard about one (supposedly) irl instance of a bull and a cuck falling for each other, running off together, and leaving the stacey behind.
>>817115>I've heard about one (supposedly) irl instance of a bull and a cuck falling for each other, running off together, and leaving the stacey behind.I've seen many Reddit screenshots and greentexts of this happening.
>>817103you know what i'll bite and say something outright
this NTR stuff is gross to most readers because it brings the premise your love as a man doesn't really matter, you're replacable..its just your turn or women automatically desire someone better, in their eyes they can never love you, for you…unless you're highly attractive, stand out extremely. you will never feel cheriched if you're not born right or act this way. its like mixing people's idea of "love" and seeing NTR through those lens. you can never be clingy, just strong. only then a gf will love you.
>>817107>Incels are born not madeYou don't want to solve your own problems. You just want to promote the incel identity. Go invest in VR sex and go touch grass.
>>817117>this NTR stuff is gross to most readers because it brings the premise your love as a man doesn't really matter, you're replacable..its just your turn or women automatically desire someone better, in their eyes they can never love you, for you…The only thing that matters is if this is true. Art can have any message so it should come with a disclaimer.
>>817117youre interpreting it wrong. the story isnt a problem to solve.
a reader might see NTR and think
>how do i prevent this from happening to me?and thats already the wrong quedtion because the story is supposed to make you confront an uncomfortable truth as a critique to a certain subculture.
asking how you could "beat" a NTR story is like asking how to beat a horror movie, thats not what the film is about. usually horror films have something to say about society and human psychology that goes beyond "scary monster going after you"
>>817122>and thats already the wrong quedtion because the story is supposed to make you confront an uncomfortable truth as a critique to a certain subculture. im certain most people that read it nowaday with all the talk of male lonlines and male worth is literally how do i stop myself from turning to Adam22 lmao.
>most active thread
>cuck porn is good
do we have rightoids in the house?
look im throwing my two cents here i see where the cuck stuff resentment come from. i was above average looks in school and liked enough to be chadlite or however you want to put it, but i was autistic too much and already knew from a young age other only love me because of how i look and if i stagnate or let myself go. i will turn to the wierd kid my friends circle jokes about with the freckles and slouched back.
put it so much in my head i used to puke my dinner so many times because i was telling myself my girl and all the girls will find me disgusting if i get a budding belly. and i didn't know bulimia is a thing yet because i had no computer.
i would buy skin products and shave any tiny beard so i don't look like shaggy from scooby doo, which laughably was what an incel like in my head, only i didn't use the word it was popular, i always thought shaggy was the virgin uggo and fred was the chad.
and i could feel it, all the improoooving started feeling mandatory, the moment you stop you'll turn off putting fast, after a while i started hating even having sex..it became gross as if im only getting this because im not like those virgins.
im just trying to say some faggy ted talk look, i hope yall dissasociate your worth from female validation, i won't pretend you don't want a girlfriend just please don't put her before your mental health
>>817140>im just trying to say some faggy ted talk look, i hope yall dissasociate your worth from female validation, i won't pretend you don't want a girlfriend just please don't put her before your mental healthThis unironically, humoids would do better with this
>>817144what the fuck is a humoid?
I think you guys are reading way more into this than necessary. Virtually all fetishes are just some variation of enjoying a power dynamic, the only differences are the ways in which this is expressed. People get off to either surrendering or exercising power over another person. Cucking is just another variant of that, same as BDSM, vore, watersports, findom, foot play, etc. Guys who are into being cucked are just subs who happen to express their submissiveness by allowing their parter to fuck other people.
>>817145Moids + Foids = Humoids
Internet entities that represent people but are not people themselves.
>>817145Hominin → Hominid → Human → Humoid
>>817146there's only one reason this niche fetish of all has always been the most taboo and hated
and anon said it himself, its because it reflects all the toxic dating dynamics, hookups, hypergamy whatever you want to call it.
im sure there are people out there who love sharing their partners or going unfaithful with their approval but most people aren't that, their love life is just tinder and rejections or succsessful one night stands..and cheating happens all the time. nobody wanna be cheated on…not to mention the competitiveness, and love turning to a market.
so, we end up with this shit..this fetish becoming connected to reality.
>>817140>>most active thread>>cuck porn is good>do we have rightoids in the house?I think were getting to a healthy conclusion, see
>>817151 >>817151Well I can definitely understand how all of that could give somebody a weird and unhealthy relationship with this particular kink, or cause people who aren't into it to react unreasonably to it. This is especially the case for straight monogamous people. Maybe I've just been spared the worst of modern dating or am unreasonably chill about things, because I can't imagine getting so worked up about a fetish.
>>817153doesn't seem that healthy to me but compared to just going on 4chan its less toxic.
this whole thing feels like it reeks of blackpill stuff, i swear the only thing stopping me from falling into that rabbit hole is knowing a 5'7 beardy dude who slept with 60 women but that guy is a bartender so it must contribute, he's always talkative but never "owns it"
>>817155>Maybe I've just been spared the worst of modern datingtrust me you're not missing out on much
some girl was absolutely shat on for selecting she wanted a guy who makes 180K, 6'0 to 8'0, and has a PHD..blonde……and all at 25.
>>817146horny dream time
had a dream out of the blue one night i never told anyone out of the blue…basically a guy and a girl in some slavic looking neihgborhood, despite being both brown were really into me, so the man invites me home and tells me to have sex with her and put on a show, im not sure if she was bleeding first time i saw like a liquid pour out, black like. but i recall gasping about him just passing a 'milestone' like that, he kept kissing her while she tells me to hurry up, before finishing on his face (he was holding her butt)
and i swear on everything holy it was a year from now, late summer. that's when i started watching netorare
>>817159>some girl was absolutely shat on for selecting she wanted a guy who makes 180K, 6'0 to 8'0, and has a PHD..blonde……and all at 25.She's just engaging the incels, she doesn't really want all that
>>817140>do we have rightoids in the house?I'm not a rightoid but I want you to go and ask the left what they can do for you.
>>817165its easy to just say trolling the incels haha or just give her the benefit of the doubt, but im serious when i say the girl sounded surprised when ch checked its only 0.001% of the population, only 2 in america and had people defend her by saying the App is trying to make you settle down lmao
there are a few people allowed to be delusional like that
>>817157good thing you're shielded from uncomfortable conclusions with 1 piece of anecdotal evidence. almost turned into a misogynist there
>>817146its not reading too much into it, its reading between the lines
the issue is that NTR expresses its message through a shocking and "edgy" mechanism which causes a lot of people to dismiss it as pure shock value or edgy porn, but that shock value isnt added there just to grab peoples attention or turn them on, it instead works as a literary device that compliments its themes.
the story is urging the readers (with its target audience usually being lonely young men, otakus, incels etc) to consider these uncomfortable truths, and id go as far as to say that the ultimate message isnt even about relationships but instead about life itself, with NTR authors clearly drawing from existentialist and buddhist philosophy and incorporating it into their stories. the question of NTR, once again, isnt "how do i beat the chad and get the girl?", its telling you
>what about your wealth once youre sick?>what about your good looks once you age?>what about your relationship once it ends?>what about your achievements once you die? we might have certain expectations of reality as a simple machine where you do X and receive Y, like
>if im a nice guy then my girlfriend wont leave meand this is a strong sentiment that a lot of people hold about their life, and its constantly reinforced by the media we consume. what the otaku does here is that he humanises the universe, viewing life and relationships as a rational transaction where you give something and receive something in return
another point is ego. our current society shaped by social media generates a self centered hyperindividualistic worldview where everyone sees themselves as protagonists of their own story and not as individuals in an organic ever changing world. this feeds into their ego and entitlement
the chad can be a literary device representing the philosophical concept of impermanence itself, he functions as an agent of disruption. you might notice how all NTR start at the same idealised power-fantasy world as other manga usually do, but there is the unpredictable element of the chad which refuses to obey the rules of this world (which really just are the expectations which the incel has of life).
the incel might say "my girlfriend is mine and will always love me", but all things are impermanent, and the author takes it away from him
merely using the chad as a mechanism through which the fantasy is torn apart. its purposefully shocking and offensive because its meant by the author to be a gut punch to a comfortable audience. the author is using this device like how jesus used parables: the message is not meant to be read in a literal way, instead, youre supposed to recognise the themes and interpret it into different aspects of life.
if chad was just
>a guy whos stronger than youthen the message would obviously be to become stronger.
instead, chad is a symbol of impermanence. you dont beat him, because you cant possibly beat reality itself
the lesson is a warning agaisnt attachment, escapism, the very idea that once you achieve a high enough level of status that youre safe from loss or suffering. NTR just happens to present this message through a literary medium in a similar way to a greek tragedy
>>817170mysogynist huh? people want to think soooo badly anyone struggling will end up misogynistic, like that's the main danger here, if a dude feels lonely, our concern isn't the lonliness but if he hates women while he's lonely lol
yeah no wonder incels exist
>>817169If you want to get the girls, you ask the psycho with the spreadsheets and not the girls themselves. Ask girls directly and you get what you deserve, you get trolled.
This has been the truth for over 50 years by now.
>>817174Fix the presentation of the problem to fix the problem instead of fixing the problem kind of thinking. No wonder they're getting redpilled.
>>817177anon do you honestly think an incel type, especially looks wise can infact stop being lonely and find somone by just…not being misogonystic? do you frankly see that? because we both know its looks and will stay looks? even in other threads some anons post pretty boys and actively say "why do incels think we'll choose this over them"..those dudes in the pics could be woman haters for all you know, but they look good.
>>817179>anon do you honestly think an incel type, especially looks wise can infact stop being lonely and find somone by just…not being misogonystic? do you frankly see that? because we both know its looks and will stay looks? even in other threads some anons post pretty boys and actively say "why do incels think we'll choose this over them"..those dudes in the pics could be woman haters for all you know, but they look good.Strawman, I didn't say that. Consult the psychopath with the spreadsheets
>>817176 >>817179>>817181If you can't use the instructions, the problem is cognitive and not looks
>>817174damn i never thought about it that way. just a moment ago I was praising the blue pill but now I see. its a nice thing that sarcasm is easy to convey through text
>>817179>even in other threads some anons post pretty boys and actively say "why do incels think we'll choose this over them"..those dudes in the pics could be woman haters for all you know, but they look good.You're getting trolled. Either that or you're a woman pretending to be an incel.
>>817171>It's another "NTR is le buddhist philosophy" threadProbably ragebait but I've seen this repeated enough times that it's almost becoming this alternative interpretation among people who clearly do not understand and have not studied the genre enough.
If you are not immersed in doujinshi subculture, you do not understand NTR.
If you cannot speak japanese, you do not understand NTR.
If you project existentialism into any philosophical work just to try and sound deep, you do not understand NTR
The authors' intent is obviously a nihilistic rejection of the idea of romantic purity, fairness, and moral desert, which is repeated in most works.
It's not about "impermanence" nor a critique of otaku subculture when NTR itself is deeply ingrained into that very subculture. If anything, the message is the exact opposite of what you're saying here, it's a nihilistic view of human relationships as inherently flawed and transactional.
>>817171I think your problem is in drawing any meaning whatsoever from the storyline of porn doujins. Would you also write an essay about how the hot MILF not having enough money to pay the pizza man is a commentary on class society?
>>817040Pretty sure the porn term is cuckqueen
>>817220Unironically yes, porn is art even if it’s low brow art and is fair game to be interpreted or criticized by the viewer
>>817220>Would you also write an essay about how the hot MILF not having enough money to pay the pizza man is a commentary on class society?We already have the incels, you're going to create something worse asking questions like that!
All this yapping just to ignore some basic truths
1) Men are more ready to have sex than women
2) Women are only attracted to a minority of men, while the opposite is true when it comes to men.
3) this creates a social dynamics where average and below average looking men have to work a lot harder to have love and romance. It is also almost impossible for such men to have casual sex with attractive women.
4) The whole "incel" thing is a distraction. Yes, real incels as in men who will NEVER be able to have sex don't exist, but that fact is irrelevant
5) The main problem here is DIFFICULTY, not IMPOSSIBILITY.
6) The incel straw is a distraction from this reality. Its like claiming the job market is fine because "permanent unemployment doesn't really exist". Yeah that's true and it's also irrelevant
The solution is eugenics to make everyone atteactive.
When the tech to achieve this is widely available, everyone will use it, and pretend they're not doing eugenics or pretend they were never opposed to eugenics.
Just like how body positivity scammers disappeared after Ozempic.
>>817336Attractiveness is subjective, cultural and hierarchical, you can't make everyone attractive just like you can't make everyone rich. The poor needs to exist
>>817336>The solution is eugenicsthis
>to make everyone attractivebut the opposite of this
>>817334>Wow this really puts my mind at ease. Thank you everyone for showing the errors of my waysAre you for real? Having a career, body, and social life should be effortless. That's an environmental problem or a low testosterone problem.
>>817341There's always going to be the least fit of them all what ever we do.
>>817336>The solution is eugenics to make everyone atteactive.>Just like how body positivity scammers disappeared after Ozempic.The only thing a realistic left can offer you is support for jobs and free healthcare. Femboy hobo revolutions just fuck the economy.
Go ahead, ask the left what they can do for you.
>>817334just like how women will judge you based on status you judge women based on appearance lmao.
why am i supposed to feel bad for incels when youre just as shallow?
>>817382Hormone are the cheapest shit to synthesize after the penicillin, genuinely cost nothing
>>817386>just as shallowthis is where you're wrong, there are levels and only women can be allowed to stay shallow to the extreme, let's not try to pretend most men will reject a plain woman who's actually attracted to them, key word, plain, the average.
but the reverse? just go to any online cesspit and lookfor yourself, anyman who isn't above six foot isn't a real man, for refrence even the SS and wehrmacht didn't have extreme eugenic ideals like that even before scrapping the barrel
>>817403hell, go outside and touch grass right now, do as i did for shit and giggles. ask any man you see to complete the phrase 'women are
' and the result is probably positive for the most part, ask the women to finish the sentence 'men are' and its most likely negative
>>817389>Hormone are the cheapest shit to synthesize after the penicillin, genuinely cost nothingWhy doesn't the left attack that problem then? That's a realistic one to solve.
Go ahead, ask the left what they can do for you.
>>816849This. Kill all "seek help" posters
>>816849because my kink is fixing people, i get hard when i think i can fix someone with a paraphilia that's sabotaging them or self esteems, i get hard when i see people crying and hug them all of a sudden
>>817429You jest but I'm like this kinda
>>817426You'd end up killing most of the leftists. The purification would be appreciated because it's not really left if the care is fake or half-assed.
>>817429>because my kink is fixing people, i get hard when i think i can fix someone with a paraphilia that's sabotaging them or self esteems, i get hard when i see people crying and hug them all of a suddenStraighten queers?
>>817436With an anvil and a hammer?
>>817431jest?
>>817436make the queers curly
>>817426its a bit like when christians say i will pray for you. what they mean is i hope you die and burn in the hellfire
>>817449>make the queers curlyWhat will you do with all them queers you jealous one!
>>817454>its a bit like when christians say i will pray for you. what they mean is i hope you die and burn in the hellfireYou mean like that thread
>>>/ufo/1559 of that schizo post in tech
>>>/tech/34144 >>817454I think all nice leftists are actually like that too
>>817403the man wont reject the girl but he will treat her like shit because shes not the idealised version of a female that he sees on the internet. he will just be using her for sex
stop acting like males are any less shallow than femaled
fastest moving thread on siberia in months by the way
>>817508It's a very important issue.
>>816763>without moralizingthere's nothing wrong with it, I just don't like to be humiliated. maybe a little bit, like when in those JOI videos the woman gets a little spicy, but it has to be done in a particular way, you know. I don't respond well to the 'tiny penis commentary' where they just denigrate your genitals like that. like holy shit, calm down, lady. you think my dick is small? ok, what if I fist you, use my whole fucking arm to penetrate you, you won't be saying it's too small then. anyway, not to be mean to them, I'm just saying that I don't like it.
well, it's the same thing for cuckoldry. WHY would you want to watch your partner being VIOLATED by someone else? or worse, watch them ENJOY and be SATISFIED by another person? I just don't get it. I can't deal with that shit. not trying to kink shame or whatever, but it's like asking why I'm not into watersports; it's just unpalatable.
What if you like to watch random people have sex? Preferably if attractive? What does that say about society? Although I suppose that's porn is in general. That is some guy sitting in the corner jacking it to some people fucking.
>>817491>the man wont reject the girl but he will treat her like shit because shes not the idealised version of a female that he sees on the internet. he will just be using her for sex>stop acting like males are any less shallow than femaledFalse narrative
>>817547>What if you like to watch random people have sex? Preferably if attractive? What does that say about society? Although I suppose that's porn is in general. That is some guy sitting in the corner jacking it to some people fucking.That everyone wants and loves the rich and the beautiful?
What happened to all the body positivity after ozempic?
if you think of women as territory and men as rulers of territory then being cuckolded is like being invaded by an enemy ruler stealing your territory. so guys who unironically use the term "cuckold" as an insult aren't really thinking about pussy, it's not really about women at all, it's just about the delusion of dominion, a territorial dispute over an imaginary territory. it's like when two drunk guys in a bar get into a knife fight over some woman they both tried to run their "can i buy you a drink" scam on, and meanwhile the woman was never even interested in either one of them and just stands there watching in awe as they cut each other up for nothing.
>>817556I said preferably if attractive. They could be just sort of average looking. One of them could be ugly but not both of them. Also not morbidly obese at least not the woman. The guy could be whatever but preferably athletic looking
>>817561Are leftists just dumb men?
>>817561or, hear me out, this kind of thinking only comes when you think all men can only think of women as sex objects, but people in general do not like the idea of their significant other or somone they have feelings for sleeping with somone else, more so if the perceived other is more anything, intresting or good looking
this is a gender neutral concept unless you think all the women fighting over guys never think of them as territory or trophy, or call men same shit you'd call a women for sleeping around while in a relationship
>>817647> but people in general do not like the idea of their significant other or somone they have feelings for sleeping with somone else,It's called cheating because it's an agreement to exclusivity and it's disrespectful. I don't know why today's leftists excuse this shit.
>>817657The overton window is deep in ass now so even common sense is on the right
>>817657Men should just read 48 laws of power and have hardcore porn sex to prove her loyalty. If she doesn't let you have threesomes she doesn't actually love you and she's using you.
>>816763It's bourgeois degeneracy
>>817703Hentai = fascist Japanese propaganda
>>817403>>817405Both women and leftist opportunist men wil NEVER admit that women's standards are basically ultra-eugenics in practice.
Women and leftists will decry eugenics and then ignore the massive eugenics that women do.
That's why women are opposed to artificial eugenics - a.k.a gene editing. Because that would remove the one source of their social power.
And that's why capitalist society has suppressed eugenics for so long. It's not because they are opposed to it morally, but because the female wing of the bourgeoisie is opposed to it for selfish reasons.
Anything that actually breaks down classes in society is opposed, including eugenics.
It'll be very funny to see the revealed preferences of society once gene editing and egg/sperm selection becomes cheap and easy.
The vast majority of people will select their babies to be tall, lighter skin, more European/Eurasian in facial features, higher I.Q.s etc.
All the yapping about racism/lookism/subaltern/Eurocentrism/misogyny etc etc will be made irrelevant by technology. The Base will rape the Superstructure as usual.
>>817052This place reeks of uneducated reddit normies
>>817730Or… increase the female population by 20% and aggressively filter men for defects. You don't have to fuck up the genotype.
>>817729>and leftist opportunist menRapey guys
>>817780literally what guy isn't rapey if their desire is a member of the other sex at this point gng
>>817780and im sure filtering the males for genetic "defects" won't come with just trying to alter them to be more attractive, not a bad thing but imagine how controlling and sexist it sounds if we starting filtering all women to have large hips or larger breasts of average
>>817790>literally what guy isn't rapey if their desire is a member of the other sex at this point gngIt's rapey if you're dishonest or coercive and male feminists are rapey
>>817780>increase the female population by 20% and aggressively filter men for defects.What the fuck would that accomplish?
>>817730This is already a thing, tard. Gay men using surrogate wombs always want their kids to be tall and blonde.
>>817797and that can literally depend on anyone's interpretation, if you think full honesty is a very desirable trait you are dead wrong, all potential relationships have lying or faking it to make it.
its kinda funny going with this logic, "hey, women don't like patrirchal men, you should probably change your values for the best grow as a person, oh but you just changed them, that's rapey and dishonest"
>>817794>>817798You want both sexes to be happy so you filter the men to make them all viable and create a female abundance. Problem solved.
>>817800>"hey, women don't like patrirchal men, you should probably change your values for the best grow as a person, oh but you just changed them, that's rapey and dishonest"It doesn't change your porn habits or the fact that women are into men of some status so the male feminist is a contradiction
>>817800besides i still remember when the 2024 elections came along, how did the dems try to appeal to the male votes? why by saying that women love a democrat man, love a feminist man..i pay little attention to US politics but you shouldn't deny that's by your logic, rapey, they are telling men if they want a girlfriend or a loved one, they must change, which will absolutely be seen as inauthentic and rapey, best part, they implied real virtue comes in how many women have sex with you
maybe this is what some dislike of NTR, that your absolute worth as a man is how many women you have sex with, that defines how "good" you are, next to how beautiful and desired by them you are.
>>817802but then, wouldn't the man who tries to grow his status in order to be appealing while pursueing women be seen as rapey? opportunistic?
>>817804>but then, wouldn't the man who tries to grow his status in order to be appealing while pursueing women be seen as rapey? opportunistic?Not anymore than a woman going to the gym to look and feel better and it's honest and direct too
>>817801I think this solves everything
>>817805lmao
not even close, for i have seen enouh people calling everything a man does rapey and creepy. gym and status being absolutely one of them
if you try to act nice you're a "nice guy" and only do it to have SEX with girls, eww
if you try to get muscles you're a gymrat and only do it because you think that will make you have SEX with girls, eww.
if you try to look more attractive, that's not attractive, you're a looksmaxxing incel type and probably only do it to have SEX with girls, eww.
and if you try to be a male feminist, oh well you're a performative male, a contradiction, women do not like that, and you probably only do it to, you already know, have SEX with girls. how gross
>>817806its still gross, the assymetry, one gender has to just be more since men can just be "shared" or not, all the choices to them, the other have to be extremely filtered down to the genome to be attractive, only one of the two has the toll of attraction on them, one can be itself, the other 'Needs' correction
>>817808>if you try to act nice you're a "nice guy" and only do it to have SEX with girls, ewwThere's a schizo who posted on nice
>>>/tech/34154 and
>>>/ufo/1559
>not even close, for i have seen enouh people calling everything a man does rapey and creepy. gym and status being absolutely one of themThat's like the 6ft 6 figure stuff, it's women lying about what they want in a guy.
>and if you try to be a male feministEven men don't like that shit
>>817809>men can just be "shared" or not,I don't have a problem with being shared and I don't care to exist in a world that doesn't want me. Why do you want to hold on to and moralise something that doesn't want you?
Any other solution will involve controlling women. Just change the material conditions and let them find their men. Everyone is happy.
>>817812>Any other solution will involve controlling women.i like how altering men for genetic defects or more so isn't somehow registered as controlling men, or as bad as controlling women, that's how replacable they are
>>817813It's not any more controlling towards men than this world and also you can't control something that doesn't exist yet so it's even less.
Look around. Men are getting shamed for being straight while being overstimulated. Surely that won't lead to mental illness and wacky ideology?
>>817812>Why do you want to hold on to and moralise something that doesn't want you?to be honest with you anon? i don't know, maybe i was told on and on about feminism, that women in general being well taught and self aware, so i held on to these belives as the years pass for no other reason, than to see if equality really is their core believe for the most part
so, seeing how it becomes flexible, makes me keep on pressing just to see if that idea holds up, equality, instead now i get people telling me abort boys, talking casually of castration.
let alone this, sharing, the same concept that tells you women are more than their looks, tells you the reverse isn't equal but is actually good, bio engeineer men to look good
>>817813>genetic defects or moreA bad set of cards is a bad set of cards. Don't pass the problem onto women or other people and start moralising something that they don't want and have to take SSRIs to tolerate.
>>817816lol
i am responding to the dude that thinks controlling men and increasing women population isn't controlling and helps everyone, but the reverse is controlling and bad, the senatio itself is fictional and made as a fix to society
>>817819>i am responding to the dude that thinks controlling men and increasing women population isn't controlling and helps everyone, but the reverse is controlling and bad, the senatio itself is fictional and made as a fix to societyIt isn't. You're controlling the numbers and not the men.
>>817818heh, don't pass it into women here implies the reverse is true, a genetic defect in a woman isn't really something she shouldn't pass down
and trust me, i have seen, i swear to god, women in wheelchairs or with club foots and a skin condition having kids with a defect anyway, it was in a news segment, they went on about how "my body shouldn't stop me from having kids, we're all beautiful".
maybe my point is, if we're talking actual defects like the 8chan inventor, not say, shortness in men, or hair that falls off in the 30s, many won't tolerate that too, even when its not severe defects just aesthetical ones
>>817821
>It isn't. You're controlling the numbersmy point exactly, fixing society by making one gender just more populous, that's not controlling, and then fully editing and filtering the second, that's very controlling
> and not the men.see for yourself the second paragraph
>>817822>>817823You don't get it. Go home and think about it for a while.
Advocating for "male rights" is complete bs
>>817824i do fully get it, in fact i find it insulting when you think about it too much, and just waving away your hand with a think about it doesn't change that fact
>advocating for "male rights" is complete BSlol, that came out of nowhere, do you have anything to say anon?
>>817825>lol, that came out of nowhere, do you have anything to say anon?Like what?
>>817827the fact i didn't bring up male rights activist types, just the basic rights of any gender in this senario to not be filtered agressively
>>817825>i do fully get it, in fact i find it insulting when you think about it too much, and just waving away your hand with a think about it doesn't change that factI don't want to waste time arguing something that you're going to end up agreeing with anyway.
If you have a better idea, you can share it.
>>817828>the fact i didn't bring up male rights activist types, just the basic rights of any gender in this senario to not be filtered agressivelyAre you one of those anti abortion types?
>>817831lmao, if that's what you think of me, some red hat type you made in your head, some control muh women's bodies type, do know i always thought abortion is a solid idea, do you know how tiresome child bearing is?
>>817832So you're a woman?
>>817828>just the basic rights of any gender in this senario to not be filtered agressivelyThey can speak for themselves.
>>817829eh, who would right? we're already too deep here.
all this started because i read "increase the female population by 20% and aggressively filter men for defects. You don't have to fuck up the genotype." like a solution to all the lack of relationship and thought damn, is this how unappealing men are? that they must be filtered? cause im sure most men aren't with defects yet here we are..
that anon's solution is controlling to men, but i guess we're so used to them just accepting whatever the fuck that its not controlling..
my crappy solution would probably be investing hard into test tube babies, not altering the actual population, and that would include aesthetics later on, if a kid has a recessed chin or what not, have them be sent to the right experts (say orthodontists) as they grow, to engineer both sexes to be likable to the other in the future generation
but even this is controlling is it not? that your of little value if you don't adhere to beauty standarts
>>817836and when i did, look where we drove in argument, men in general have this believe more than women you should adabt for love, not for your own sake. take whatever you're tossed as "what women want" so none gather up and say this is problematic or any speak like that. just follow along.
>>817833do you really have to be only a woman to know that? im not one.
>>817837>>817839Okay "not-woman". You're being too emotional about the issue.
>>817837>my crappy solution would probably be investing hard into test tube babies, not altering the actual population, and that would include aesthetics later on, if a kid has a recessed chin or what not, have them be sent to the right experts (say orthodontists) as they grow, to engineer both sexes to be likable to the other in the future generationWhat's the difference between then two? You want scissors into the human genome and fuck it up. All I'm saying is that you can just filter instead of chopping and keep the population of women slightly higher. You're over-interpreting all of this.
>>817837>hat anon's solution is controlling to men, but i guess we're so used to them just accepting whatever the fuck that its not controlling..If you want to call it that? Your method is "controlling" to everyone involved. Controlling is when you tell them what to do and not when they wake up strong in a world that wants them.
>>817837>but even this is controlling is it not? that your of little value if you don't adhere to beauty standartsJust buy ozempic at this point.
>>817839>do you really have to be only a woman to know that? im not one.Either way, you don't seem to like taco parties
>>817844>You're being too emotional about the issue.lol, for arguing? i find it a terrible idea so i say its a terrible idea
>All I'm saying is that you can just filter instead of chopping and keep the population of women slightly higher. You're over-interpreting all of this.only that, well..the filtering only happens to the male side, what's to say they won't start only liking a portion of the women themselves? and i mean actually paying more attention to them, should we filter women as well?
>Your method is "controlling" to everyone involved. already said that myself, we're basically controlling the babies with this one
>Just buy ozempic at this point.uygha im talking more about chin recession, shortness, you know being skinny but not aesthetical, guess what you can't just ozempic your way into long hair, a dad bod or broad shoulders, or the sexiest face you've ever seen
>Either way, you don't seem to like taco partiesrandom but uhh, im more of a sushi bar person
>>817849Yeah, if anything its the straight women who should be ashamed, they are the ones attracted to moids.
>>817849It's one of the really weird things that you would have to see for yourself first.
<Objectively, without moralizing: what’s wrong with being a cuck leftist?If the sub is wrong, I would like to see a strong argument.
>>817875The last seconds are diabolical
>>817875A real gigachad would've set up that little chud with a chick.
>>817875This is what AI was made for
>>817849Perhaps not in the "heterophobia" way but I think anon is referring to people demonizing male sexuality. Like
>you want sex? well everything in life is about sex, except sex which is about power you fucking pervert freak >you don't want to be with a promiscuous woman? she's not your property / you're a pedophile>you don't like your girlfriend showing herself off? she's not your property>you're attracted to this woman for her physicality? stop objectifying herDialectically, materially, and siberianly speaking of course.
>>817908i mean i couldn't have said it better but this thread is sorta including it too, everyone thinks disliking NTR means you have too much ego or think the girl you like should only be to you or some shit about fragile masculinity, not. say, that most people don't like torment in their porn or seeing a good relationship divided
>>817908>Dialectically, materially,The straight male dialectic is the only forbidden dialectic
>>817875I dare you to share this to incels
>>817917anon…mostly likely people in the "incel" communities made this
>>817872not sure people read ntr for the creative plot and not the pain or secret affair or bittersweetness so you'll likely not find much
>>819461TIL the white women fuck dogs cliché is literally thousand year old.
>>819461medieval furries ffs
>>819480if they truly were progressive then summoning them wouldn't be a massive misantropy masochist ritual were instead of having sex with a hot red big guy or girl of lilith, you're convulsing in shock between candles in a big pentagram
>>817801>>817403>>817824>>817844You’re being misandrist and you know it.
If I were to say the same exact things you said but replace “man” for “woman” in the “filter this gender and keep the other one slightly higher in populace”, by your logic, it’s not misogyny.
>>817045Clucking does exist for women, you’re just letting your bias think there isn’t.
Women get cheated on a lot for younger more beautiful women even though they cook and clean and raise the kids for the hubby
>>819500>raise the kids for the hubbyfrom my experience it's the woman that want the children and the guys just do it to not get dumped so that doesn't surprise me
>>817801Why not filter both men and women? Why just men?
Why not have instant-action cosmetic gene therapy for both sexes?
Why increase the female population by one-fifth? It’s just gonna add twenty percent more inceldom
>>819504This. Although men want kids as well. Maybe not the same exact impressionisms as women but still
>>817801That’s not gonna work. It will result in the same thing but a hundredfold
i mean not really bit its a bit odd
>>819488oh yeah heard of the letter method but frankly always found it funny how the language recruired isn't ever implied, cryptids or glyphs or basic english, as if lilith speaks every human language or have translators, so in retrospect you could write a letter to her in latin or punic or navajo or mandarin
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