Autistic men are actually treated like such shit its incredible. Radfems hate autistic boys more than any other group. I was reading what they were saying about them on twitter and it was appalling. People think that autistic boys should be bullied more to make them mask and fit in with society. It's evil and heartless shit.
It is true that men have autism more severely than women. I think this is largely due to the ways men and women are brought up. Autism is half a matter of upbringing, and if the family is abusive or unavailable (even unintentionally) it leads to more severe autism. What I mean is that if you have the autism genes, you will develop autistic behaviours. But it is up to the upbringing to teach you how to cope with them.
So, there is an element of truth in the "bully them into masking". But bullying is exactly the wrong thing to do. If you bully an autistic person they won't get stronger because of it. Autistic women don't mask better because they were bullied, but because they were raised entirely with different social expectations and different allowances.
For example, a lot of women who are autistic get diagnosed with anxiety and have "anxiety attacks". But these anxiety attacks are just the same as autistic meltdowns, and represent a failiure of masking and regression to more severe symptoms. I don't have "anxiety" (which is a fake disease like all 'mental illnesses'), but it looks like I do when I have a medium meltdown where I go into level 2. It is only when I have a full meltdown where I can no longer talk and start screaming and acting like a zombie, where I show level 3 symptoms. But this is entirely a social thing. The meltdown gets worse because I get worried about people looking at me. It's all about embarrassment. I feel like a monster and I lose the ability to be human. I think about it as if I am a wearwolf. However in public I can manage a medium meltdown because more severe would be more embarrassing.
Autistic boys should be treated with more kindness but also raised with discipline. That is the only way of teaching masking. Masking is the same as high functioning autism. Discipline should not in any way be bullying however, it should never for a second be harsh or cold or unkind, and never should people get angry or snap at autistic children unless they did something really wrong that they should remember, because such a social attack on an autistic child is basically like peeling the fingernails of a neurotypical.
I do think women also just have it easier with autism and are judged less harshly for it. I have experienced this while transitioning. Autistic men need more support and love from society.
>i was reading twitter and got mad
>Autistic men need more support and love from society.
Can we start with me please
>>824259Autistic girls usually have it better than autistic boys because some autistic behavior looks like what's expected from "traditional" female gender roles. People tend to associate women with being emotional (hysteria literally comes from the latin word for womb), and being generally withdrawn is quite compatible with the stay-at-home housewife's life.
Otoh, autism comes in conflict with "traditional" male gender role. Men are supposed to be assertive and take initiative, but with a lot of unspoken rules that can lead to ostracism if not properly followed.
Female power is based on social control. Any group that's resistant to social control must be destroyed.
>>824279Did you read my post? It is a hardware level trait but how badly that trait affects your ability to have a social life is based on socialisation.
>>824284Yeah agreed very strongly and this was what I was trying to get at.
>>824298There is also something I find funny about that: Some theories interpet autism as the brain being too masculine, so in a way, the perfect woman is a man and vice versa :D
>>824284this is why all autistic cis boys should be injected with estrogen weekly and force them to transition into women
maybe they gotta stop being deranged gooner rapists or school shooters first
>>824259all autistic people deserve support and proper treatment by healthcare professionals
>I do think women also just have it easier with autism and are judged less harshly for it.just because some radfems online use them as a pawn and see them as a monolith of successful maskers and nothing else doesnt mean they dont have the same issues as autistic men, if not worse depending on individual case
https://www.disabled-world.com/health/neurology/autism/dsm5-levels.phphttps://autisticadvocacy.org/2021/12/functioning-labels-harm-autistic-people/https://catalystjournal.org/index.php/catalyst/article/view/29579/23427 >>824346symptoms of distress and depression can be solved with proper accommodation by others, as well as meds and therapy for self-harm kind of stuff as well as other complex medical needs that exist alongside autism or are a part of its spectrum
>>824364
Retard
>>824382That isn't an insult to me because I acknowledge the ways in which I am mentally disabled.
>>824364
consider suicide
>>824489Depression, anxiety, narcissism etc. aren't issues of the individual, they are not medical at all, they are just part of the condition of the worker in capitalism.
>>824490So is backpain of manual labourer, is that also not medical?
>>824495But that is an actual physical health issue with actual describable causes, while depression does not yet have real physical causes, it is all just up to "wrong patterns of thought" rather than an actual physical problem with your body.
>>824501Is brain not part of body?
My point isn't that people who are depressed and severely unhappy shouldn't just "get better" and that it isn't real. It's that the pathologisation serves to turn the grievances of workers against capitalism into individual medical issues.
>>824503Yeah, and ok the mental is also part of the material world, it's just that psychiatry as whole is bourgeois psuedoscience, and that you can't be ill through having a certain pattern of thought.
>>824505Bourgeois individualist post. Even if people wanted to live loner lives cut off from society (this is something very few people want), due to economics people just cannot do that. You have to go to work and mask at work, and work defines your life.
>>824504>you can't be ill through having a certain pattern of thoughtAre you a schizophrenia denier?
>>824509I'm actually not any more after having researched it. Schizophrenia, ADHD and Autism are genetic neurodevelopmental disorders, not things you can gain or lose, they are just part of you. They are more similar to Down Syndrome then they are to the psychiatric mental disorders, and they should not be all on the same list IMO. Autism being treated the same as like BPD is extremely damaging to people with autism. They are brain disabilities (or differences) not anything to do with psychiatry or psychology.
>>824501>while depression does not yet have real physical causesTIL SSRIs don't actually work and the mind is somehow separate from the body. thanks anon
>>824506if you have a physical job or a job that deals with things instead of people like electrician or most trades you don't even have to mask that hard.
>Bourgeois individualistif thinking collectively makes you be ashamed of yourself and your personality what is the point? if the collective hates you and wants you to be different the most reasonable thing you can do is get individualist in your day to day, if not you are going to live a life of catching up to what other people want instead of what you want.
you can be a communist insofar as sticking up for your class when time calls for it, you can be unionized because even the prole normies you hate share class interests with you, but live your life like yourself not a phony.
>>824512>I'm actually not any more after having researched it. Do you suppose you also might be wrong about some other things you are yet to research yet? Like your criticism of psychiatric diseases as a symptom of society is in fact a basic observation done by psychology.
>>824514It is using a napalm bomb to treat the flu.
>>824516I reject psychology entirely. It is all pseudoscience.
>>824517>I reject psychology entirely. It is all pseudoscience.Why? I want to reiterate, the observations about mental diseases being caused by societal conditions is a an accepted fact within the field of psychology.
>>824517>It is using a napalm bomb to treat the fluI see the depression understander has logged on
>>824514SSRIs don't fucking work you pharma porky shill. Kill yourself.
>>824530t. zero experience with depression and SSRIs
SSRIs made me want to kill myself more than being depressed did. I welcome all feelings as part of the human experience. Depression medication made me feel like I wasn't a human. I couldn't write. Anger and sorrow and deep sadness give me a drive. When I was on depression medication I just felt useless, and that was the worst thing of all ever.
>>824523people on this website are all crude materialists who treat marxism as a religion. anything that goes agaisnt the dogma is pseudoscience even if that makes 0 sense
>>824535All these drugs do is pretend that people being unhappy in a shit world is somehow all caused by a chemical imbalance. The bourgeoisie are mentally castrating the first ranks of the people we need to recruit from - those pissed at their jobs, their bosses, their lack of social support, and everything else. The entire psychology """field""" is a defensive mechanism that the bourgeoisie deploy in order to divert everyone's attention instead of banding together to achieve changes collectively.
>>824523Psychology and mental diseases are the wrong way of looking at things from the beginning! Do you understand what I'm saying?
>>824543You stupid normie, go kill yourself with that idealism. I don’t have any objective problems, yet I’m still ill; I knew a guy who made hundreds of thousands of rubles a month, and his mental health was still completely wrecked.
>>824545>Do you understand what I'm saying?I dont, because you didnt explain yourself properly. What is the correct way of looking at things?
>>824259>Autistic men are actually treated like such shit its incredible. Autistic men (engineers, economists, scientists, etc.) are currently steering global civilization into the dirt and keep inventing new ways to make life miserable. Can you stop please? Thanks.
>>824505penpen neko this guy
Psychology and psychiatry are both real but the way they manifest in capitalism can be summed up as a pseudo-scientific denial of social and structural causes of mental illness. Most people dont need therapy, they need money.
>>824512One also can't lose depression, seems like you need to research more.
>>824550They always talk about shit they have no business talking about.
S thinks LLMs are conscious but also says mental illness doesn't exist.
>>824589Because people with depression are often undiagnosed autistics. Depression is also only bad when your life is difficult. If your life is fulfilling it is not a problem.
>>824592What is the contradiction between those two positions?
>>824573this is because they didn't get pussy while young, all villans are either people who didn't fuck young or people that were poor young.
I mogged an autist I know yesterday in front of his crush and he looked like he was going to cry. It was funny at first but I ended up feeling bad for him.
>>824601Not your fault you mog
>>824599Depression makes life difficult.
>>824599Are you autistic or depressed?
>>824586>denial of social and structural causes of mental illness.NOBODY DENIES THIS SHIT OFTEN JOB OF THERAPIST IS TAKING A SIDE OF A DISEASE AGAINST THE PATIENT THATS A FREUD IT IS KNOWN IT HAS BEEN KNOWN YOU ARE NOT SAYING ANYTHING INSIGHTFUL THIS IS COMMUNISM ONLY WORKS ON PAPER LEVEL OF REASONING
>>824586Capitalism needs to be checked but the crazies at the opposite side are worse
I only consider you an autist if you smoke weed and it doesn't change your autism, if you smoke weed and keep thinking about trains or Legos you are 100% an autist.
all autistic men need to smoke weed to verify their claims, being sober simulates autism too closely.
>>824605OMFG I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH BOTH DO YOU THINK I'M TALKING ABOUT SHIT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT?
Unironically there is a concerted effort to attack me on this website, it was not like this a year or two ago, but nowadays there is a group of haters who will derail every thread I make.
I just struggle to articulate myself and they jump on that, they make me seem stupid and wrong on everything even when I present the data.
>>824616oomfg am victim too
>>824616I'm asking a non hateful question, but did you ever smoke weed?
>>824616Sorry I don't know how to flirt.
>>824515actually good advice
tbh if that new study is true where they can tell you're autistic before you even start the conversation its kinda useless.
>>824627>>824649S is based and olanzapinepilled
>Autism is half a matter of upbringing, and if the family is abusive or unavailable (even unintentionally) it leads to more severe autism. What I mean is that if you have the autism genes, you will develop autistic behaviours. But it is up to the upbringing to teach you how to cope with them.
You're entirely correct but this is a poor way to put it.
I have no other comments. I think all of this is pretty reasonable and you're kinda preaching to the choir.
>>824655No one cares about epileptics
>>824543>All these drugs do is pretend that people being unhappy in a shit world is somehow all caused by a chemical imbalanceno they don't. you are attacking a straw man
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