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Navy thread
Thread for all naval, maritime, ship, submarine & water craft discussion, seas, oceans, lakes, rivers & other bodies of water. Soviet & American shipping alike is welcome, as are civilian vessels. Video & images encouraged. Ekranoplanes & other marine aircraft also count.

Russian / USSR Naval sites: https://flot.com/
https://war-book.ru/nashe-vremya/flot-ww3/
https://вооружение.рф/armaments/sredstva-voenno-morskogo-flota/

US / Western Navy sites (consume with copious amounts of table salt): https://www.naval-technology.com/
https://www.navysite.de/index.htm
https://www.navyrecognition.com/

P.S. Be civil on this Polynesian raft-roping forum.
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>>4501
LOL I meant to greentext something else in >>4498 but accidentally copied my initial search result. I found photos after opening Google Images.
https://archive.is/oZAtS

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The Kunikov's sinking is confirmed, and I was correct that no "ammo cook-off" occurred. The Kunikov is one of the older modifications of its class, lacking CIWS or machine-gun mounts, so the crew fought back with personal firearms as seen in the video recently released. The Kunikov was hit during night-time hours and was sank as it attempted to limp its way to port. The entire Crew compliment was evacuated by helicopter with no KIA casualties and only a few injuries.

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>>4600
Another ship was sank last week, Sergei Kotov a Project 22160 patrol ship named after a Soviet Admiral and war veteran. It sank trying to limp to port after being hit by multiple drones in a large drone swarm, many of which it destroyed. It's close position the Kerch strait and bridge has led some to theorize it was hit while defending the bridge, which is a credible reason*. The ship previously defeated 3 drone attacks prior to this.

*Reasons for credence
1) Ukraine has attacked the bridge and damaged it before, with the Truck Bomb
2) Russia has used marine drones to blow up Ukrainian bridges early on in the conflict
3) The recent leaked talks of the Bundeswehr using Taurus missiles to hit the bridge not long after this sinking, and the repeated attempts with Storm Shadow cruise missiles in recent times

https://southfront.press/patrol-ship-sergey-kotov-of-russian-black-sea-fleet-lost-last-battle-against-ukrainian-unmanned-boats/

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>>4421 >>4601 >>3677 >>3678
Topwar has released another article about marine drone threat towards ships not long after Shoigu issued an order for constant, daily counter-drone drills in the Black Fleet. I find it kinda funny that their ideas are essentially a mirror to what I wrote earlier. Also an article discussing America's analytical response in regards to Russia's Black Fleet losses.
https://topwar.ru/238432-chernomorskomu-flotu-vmf-rf-nuzhna-kolchuga-ili-zaschita-na-korabljah-ili-korabli-na-dne.html

https://topwar.ru/238456-shojgu-poruchil-komandovaniju-chernomorskogo-flota-dooborudovat-korabli-dopolnitelnymi-ognevymi-sredstvami.html

https://topwar.ru/238334-morskie-drony-kamikadze-i-chf-vmf-rf-vzgljad-amerikanskogo-jeksperta.html

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Gonna make an effort post about this later but I love how /k/ always mocked old Soviet ships for rust and whatnot, ignoring how most of this is the result of 1990s decay and lack of maintenance… yet lets look at the 'illustrious' Royal Navy's SSBN in pic rel… it looks worse than any Soviet submarine in the Russian Navy I've ever seen. It speaks of the decaying capabilities of the navy which formerly proclaimed "Britannia, rule the waves"
https://topwar.ru/238884-doverie-k-jadernomu-arsenalu-podorvano-britanskaja-podlodka-vanguard-zapechatlena-so-sledami-iznosa.html

>>4646
This is how U boats look like after returning from a several month mission and the brown stuff is algae and other biofouling.

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>>4647
no, they really don't look like that if properly maintained. The wear and tear of that sub is beyond simple algae growth.

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>>4135
If there isn't proof that Storm Shadows are quickly losing what effectiveness they had, the recent failure of the massive assault is proof enough. Only 2 missiles made it through the SAMs in spite of several NATO recon aircraft guiding them and NATO forces helping program the missiles and GPS guidance as well. Those 2 missiles failed to hit any ships.

Nine aircraft (presumably Su-24M and Su-27) took off from Starokonstantinov, two MiG-29 from the Uman airfield and another Su-27 from Mirgorod. After reaching the line in Zatoka , Novaya Odessa and Snigirevka, Storm Shadow/SCALP, ADM-160 and Neptune missiles were launched.

https://southfront.press/satellite-imagery-confirmed-storm-shadow-missiles-missed-targets-in-sevastopol-crimea/
I think Electronic Warfare had a part in this as its been reported that GPS guided munitions like Excalibur and Himars missiles have been losing effectiveness. >>4129
https://topwar.ru/237013-pressa-ssha-v-hode-ukrainskogo-konflikta-boepripasy-s-gps-navedeniem-okazalis-ne-tak-jeffektivny.html

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I stated this before but Ukraine's lack of a functional navy, especially after Russian forces captured the few patrol boats it had back in 2022, means Russia can't exactly demonstrate the same anti-shipping results that Ukraine has. However Ukraine has become more desperate in stalling the Russian advance and thrown its remaining brown-water navy into the fray. Moreover Belgium the Netherlands and Scandinavia are going to send patrol boats, gunboats and mine-trawlers to Ukraine as well, providing more targets.

https://topwar.ru/238577-niderlandy-i-belgija-planirujut-popolnit-ukrainskij-flot-esche-tremja-korabljami-protivominnoj-oborony.html

As a result Russia's drones have started to strike back with both Lancet and FPV aerial drones, and with boat-drones.
https://southfront.press/russian-unmanned-boat-attacked-suspicious-ukrainian-steamer-in-kherson-region/
https://topwar.ru/238512-kadry-porazhenija-ukrainskogo-patrulnogo-katera-v-rajone-nikolaeva-dronom-kamikadze-lancet-pojavilis-v-seti.html
https://southfront.press/in-video-russian-lancet-destroyed-ukrainian-armored-gunboat-in-mykolaiv-region/
https://southfront.press/in-video-russian-lancet-uav-struck-patrol-boat-probably-from-us-in-rear-mykolaiv-region/

>>4631
A counter-measure I hadn't considered but is being proposed, is the usage of FPV drones on Russian naval ships to attack incoming boat-drones.
https://topwar.ru/239867-boevye-korabli-chernomorskogo-flota-osnastjat-fpv-dronami-prednaznachennymi-dlja-borby-s-bezjekipazhnymi-katerami.html

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In more civilian news
>Singaporean firm whose ship took down the Baltimore bridge just cited an 1851 maritime law to cap liability at $44 million
https://fortune.com/2024/04/01/baltimore-francis-scott-key-bridge-liability-cap-44-million-singapore/

>>4754
oh yeah I watched a whole video about this bullshit law, apparently every maritime disaster firm cites this law and then the prosecution has to specifically make the legal effort to argue it doesn't apply

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>US Navy can't fucking track its ships right or deliberately violates borders
<N-no they weren't at [X] location, it's those damnd russkies making our data say otherwise!
Jeeze the cope is hilarious
https://archive.ph/5lvTC
https://archive.ph/DJV9P

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Russia has revived real development of Ekranoplanes and Air-cushion hovercraft. A example of the latter is the Haska-10, being used for fisheries. Kalashnikov Concern presented it back in 2020 and it's already in service.
https://topwar.ru/240204-na-rybinskom-vodohranilische-nachalis-polnocennye-ispytanija-sudna-na-vozdushnoj-podushke-haska-10.html

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Made a post on the LARC-LX at >>>/hobby/41216

US navy might be planing to decommission 41% of it's ships.

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The US Navy never learns
>US financiers say that creating a new landing ship could cost three times more than originally thought
>All-adjusted for 2024 inflation, early estimates indicate that the 18-ship LSM program will cost between $6,2 billion and $7,8 billion, or $340 million to $430 million per ship. That's three times more than the US Navy's $2,6 billion estimate, or $150 million per ship.
>A financial report released April 11 noted the program would cost between $11,9 billion and $15 billion in 2024 dollars if the service ultimately procures the 35 ships required by the Marine Corps.
>The report identifies challenges in projecting the cost of the program, given remaining questions about what the entire project will look like and how the program will be used. In addition, there are inconsistencies between the way the US Navy and Marine Corps talk about the future of this program.
>The number of ships the U.S. will ultimately buy has not yet been determined, as the Marine Service has discussed purchasing 18 units while the Marines insist it needs 35 units.
>Experts have prepared cost estimates based on the hybrid military-commercial ship design that Navy and Marine Corps leaders have said they will pursue. If the landing ships are initially built according to all the announced standards, then this will increase the cost of the entire project to 3 billion for 18 ships, and to 6 billion for 35 ships, respectively.
>In turn, the use of simplified qualities and functionality of civil shipbuilding will reduce the entire project budget by 10 billion in the maximum version of 35 ships.
>For the record, the Navy originally planned to begin procurement in fiscal year 2023, but for budgetary reasons this was pushed back to 2025. The vessels will have a draft of 3,6 meters, will be able to travel about 6500 kilometers at a speed of 14 knots, and will approach the coastline to load and unload vehicles and supplies. The number of crew members of such ships is 70 sailors, the landing force is up to 50 military personnel.

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>>4818
Can't they turn it into a museum? Feels like every US port has a decomissioned submarine to tour.

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The US Navy is working on a Ghost Fleet program of remote and AI-controlled ships, both large transports or combat ships and smaller marine drones for strikes and surveillance. It's already testing several ships. Several appear to use the technology developed for Littoral Combat Ships.

https://topwar.ru/235591-programma-prime-novye-bezjekipazhnye-katera-dlja-pentagona.html

>>4820
A Museum is one option being lobbied, but honestly the ship is a formidable weapon and still modern for its age. An overhaul would be a bit pricey but by simply replacing old computers and tech with compacter modern systems and give the hull maintenence overhaul, it would remain a powerful ship capable of nuking every US Capital on its own.

>>4833
>Several appear to use the technology developed for Littoral Combat Ships
That… doesn't look like a good sign. Unless the fact that they are remote or AI-controlled makes them less cramped on the inside.

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>>4836
I think they're meant to be almost entirely autonomous, sort of like the Sea Hunter project.

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>>4837
>>4833
How well this will work is questionable considering the extreme problems the US Navy is having over the past decade. Already the Littoral Combat Ships have been having members retired despite not serving nearly the usual time naval ships do because of inherent defects, the LCU Utility 1700* line is delayed and stuck in the docks and >>4811 we can see that finance gauging is not the strong-suit of the MIC (Military Industrial Complex). The US Navy has diminished carrier capability despite its struggle to maintain and produce new carriers of different types >>3861 . The F-35's pricey, complicated and unready nature ( >>3151 ) also impacts the carriers, as they lack proper mission readiness required if a large scale conflict breaks out, as is the current fear of an Iran-Israel war

https://topwar.ru/237020-desantnye-katera-ostajutsja-na-stapeljah-vms-ssha-rastorgli-kontrakt-na-postrojku-lcu-utility-1700.html

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/05/10/the-littoral-combat-ships-latest-problem-class-wide-structural-defects-leading-to-hull-cracks/

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New Rafale project the fast-attack-landing recon ships called Whiskey-Bravo.

https://topwar.ru/240943-morskaja-pehota-ssha-poluchila-pervye-razvedyvatelno-udarnye-katera-whiskey-bravo.html

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>>1969
>>4841
>have you guys ever heard of the Littoral Combat Ships? Of course not, cause they're useless hunks of junk designed when the US decided they needed a wet F-35.
>Littoral Combat Ships have been having members retired despite not serving nearly the usual time naval ships do because of inherent defects

https://warbirdfanatics.com/2022/11/03/5-reasons-the-navy-is-retiring-its-weirdest-looking-ship/

>>4853
It's truly the floating F-35.

Maybe it's for the best that the US has kept the same service rifle for half a century, I can't imagine what kind of hilarious abomination they would come up with from trying to redesign it

>>4854
>Maybe it's for the best that the US has kept the same service rifle for half a century, I can't imagine what kind of hilarious abomination they would come up with from trying to redesign it
The funny part is that the first M-16 was an absolute garbage fire to the point that troops preferred heavy M-14 or picked up AK-47s over it. I remember writing an essay in school about it years back. The AR-15 and M4 still has trouble shaking off that reputation, even in spite of all the problems being long since fixed and it actually being a good rifle now.
Also the US Army has been trying to replace the M4 for decades at this point, its just all attempts failed and looked like Starship Troopers parodies.

>>4855
>Also the US Army has been trying to replace the M4 for decades at this point, its just all attempts failed and looked like Starship Troopers parodies.

I liked the XM-8. It was robbed. But that's probably just my bias from it being the best conventional rifle in the UFO: AfterX series.

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>>4855
The Marines already replaced the M4. The Army's replacement will probably be done in a year or two.

>>4856
Probably good to just keep the familiar AR style instead of going to Sci Fi weapons. Funny how the top militaries keep making new versions of their 60s weapons (AK and AR) instead of doing the polymer alien nerf guns.

>>4857
That's just a slightly upgraded M4! I want my fish gun!

>>4856 >>4859 >>4857 >>4858
As OP This belongs in the AR thread.
That being said: the Marines' replacement is just a modern H&K, not significantly different. The XM-8 and others looked cool, but it has severe overheating issues when firing and it doesn't appear to be very modular, meaning any jamming or need to clean the weapon is going to be problematic. Electronic sights are also pretty temperamental at the moment.

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An article on the (re)formation of the Dnepr Flotilla. The USSR had some pretty rad Mad Max type river gun-boats, I've got to make a post about it sometime.

https://topwar.ru/241349-istochnik-osnovu-vozrozhdaemoj-dneprovskoj-flotilii-sostavjat-katera-proektov-1204-shmel-i-1206-kalmar.html

https://flot.com/history/patriotwar/gunboats_river.htm

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The Russian Navy is slowly modernizing its fleet of Oscar and Oscar II class submarines into the Project-949AM standard. The modernization replaces some electronics, overhauls the structure and most importantly re-arms the submarine with newer cruise missiles such as the hypersonic Zirkon. Most importantly it also raises the number of such missiles carried to 72 per vessel, meaning that a single Oscar-III (presumed new NATO name) would be powerful enough to rain hell on an entire Carrier Taskforce and now, also have the capability to singlehandedly launch a massive barrage on a land target, all while under-water, which means that counter-measures will have a much harder time taking it out and countering the suddenly appearing missiles, as their lack of time in the air (by comparison to surface or air-launched versions) means they're on RADAR for much less.

So far one has been completed, another is in the process and the plan is to make at least 6 of these, with the possibility of decommissioned ones also being put back into service. Pic rel is the Oscar-II which is already a formidable SSGN in its own right.

https://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-769.html
https://ria.ru/20220111/podlodki-1767257506.html
https://topwar.ru/240753-the-national-interest-rossijskie-apl-proekta-949a-antej-do-sih-por-pugajut-vms-ssha.html
https://www.alternathistory.ru/proekt-949am-samaya-vooruzhyonnaya-submarina-rossii/

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As I spoke of in >>4814 helicopters are effective anti-drone weapons, and Russia has used them against the marine drones of Ukraine.
Footage of an attack by a Russian Ka-29 helicopter on Ukraine’s new missile naval drones in the area of the northwestern coast of the Crimean Peninsula has been published. The Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense "Group 13" used in this attack for the first time a new modification of naval drones equipped with two air-to-air missiles, presumably R-73 or R-60. This design made naval drones more dangerous weapons, but at the same time made them easier to destroy, since missiles on drones are easy to detonate. Five unmanned boats of the Ukrainian army were reportedly destroyed. According to Ukrainian media reports, a Russian boat was destroyed; this has not been officially confirmed by Russian media. The video shows an alleged attack by a Ukrainian naval drone. Russian military sources report only 2 damaged vessels.
https://southfront.press/russian-military-responded-to-ukrainian-media-attack-on-crimea/

https://www.airwar.ru/enc/sh/ka29.html

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DARPA is testing out their new Manta Ray Unmanned submarine. I had a massive double take when I saw this because the submarine's entire look and design is almost 1:1 the same as a manned civilian undersea exploratory vessel I tried to design as a personal project over a decade ago. I even labeled it the Manta class. I never showed anyone because it was just shoddy attempts at blueprints on paper, but still, the coincidence is fucking unreal.

https://topwar.ru/241695-anpa-manta-ray-ot-northrop-grumman-vyshel-na-ispytanija.html

>>4952
Several of the drones involved in this and some more recent attacks washed up ashore Crimea. Mi-35Ms with 23mm cannons and Mi-8s have joined the Ka-29s in anti-drone operations, destroying dozens of Unmanned suicide boat drones.

https://topwar.ru/242572-opublikovany-fotografii-unichtozhennyh-v-chernom-more-bezjekipazhnyh-katerov-vsu.html

https://southfront.press/in-video-russian-boats-helicopters-take-out-ukrainian-naval-drones-in-black-sea/

Video related is operations of the Mi-35M
>Footage of an attack by a Russian Mi-35M helicopter on a Ukrainian maritime drone MAGURA V5 has been published. The Mi-35M helicopter fires at the drone from an NPPU-23 installation with a GSh-23L double-barreled aviacannon of 23 mm caliber. The GSh-23L air cannon is liquid-cooled, which allows it to fire in long bursts without high-speed air flow blowing over the gun; the GSh-23L's rate of fire is 3,400 rounds per minute. Reportedly, a total of 15 maritime drones were destroyed in the Black Sea, but only one was shown on video.

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>>4994
Another video of the drones destroyed

>>4631
>Shoigu issued an order for constant, daily counter-drone drills in the Black Fleet
The same is now being done for the Pacific and Baltic fleets. footage is from a daytime exercise of the Russian Pacific Fleet, repelling an attack by UAVs and sea drones
>Fifteen ships of the Russian Pacific Fleet conducted an exercise to combat unmanned boats and UAVs in Peter the Great Bay. In the exercises, a Russian experimental naval aviation UAV was used as a mock enemy, which can take off and land on the helicopter deck of a ship. UAVs and unmanned boats simulating naval drones were hit from standard AK-630 and AK-630M anti-aircraft artillery systems, as well as from Kord and DShK heavy machine guns. The corvettes “Sovershenny”, “Gromky” and “Rezkiy”, the large anti-submarine ship “Admiral Panteleev”, large landing ships, small anti-submarine ships and other ships of the Pacific Fleet took part in the exercise to repel attacks by unmanned vehicles.

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>>4952
In following the mounting of missiles on drones, a larger unmanned boat series called Sea Baby have had MLRS systems mounted on them.

https://topwar.ru/242886-primenjaemye-sbu-bezjekipazhnye-katera-sea-baby-osnastili-reaktivnymi-sistemami-zalpovogo-ognja.html

One such unit was used to barrage the Russian EW fortified positions on the Kinburn Spit located in the Dnepr-Buk Estuary.

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The US Navy's newest planned Frigate, the Constellation class, is delayed again due to more plan changes that result in enlarged size which will change placement of equipment and most importantly have an impact on the power-plant, speed, maneuverability and range. The increased size means the ships will either be below the original specifications for characteristics in speed, maneuverability and range, (as well as power-plant life) or require a redesigned power-plant/engine with more horsepower which will likely take up more space, and certainly take up more time to redesign for the ship's purposes.
https://topwar.ru/243472-problemy-s-fregatami-tipa-konstellejshn-narastajut.html

>>5103
lol it keeps happening

>>5103
They've actually begun production without a design plan. Usually, you have a 80-90% complete design plan adjustable to modification for any changes made down the line. The shipyard is literally constructing ships without a blueprint. They are laying down keels already and they have no idea how this thing is supposed to look. They don't even have a 3D model or a mock up. Its been a decade since the program begun and its still in the elementary design phase butc fuck it we have to keep to schedule so we're gonna build it anyway.

The original design was to basically build a FREMM with some modifications to carry US Navy weapons and equipment. This works fine since the contractor already builds FREMMs and its a proven design but nooo Uncle Sam had to have a bright idea: we want to redesign the hull and throw in a brand new hybrid propulsion system that's not only never been tested before but we have no intention of building this system to test it before actually constructing the ship. That's right they are going ahead with an unproven power plant that has never been proven before even in lab studies or controlled tests. Its LCS 2.0 but bigger.

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>>5132
It's as bad as the Zumwalt tbh. The LCS and Zumwalt should have been a lesson… clearly it was not learned. As a side note I don't think people realize just how MASSIVE the Zumwalt is (pic rel) yet how poorly designed and armed it is. 2 "special" artillery cannons as its primary armament and missiles that are in such low quantity as to be easily overwhelmed by any serious attack. The main ammunition is all this precision guided stuff that has been proven to be unreliable in Ukraine due to jamming. >>4945
They're so ineffective tha there are plans to remove the 155mm guns and replace them with Hypersonic missiles, hypersonic missiles that the US military does not have at the moment, with the few models it has being barely in testing and do not perform consistently.

https://topwar.ru/244343-zamvolt-bez-pushek-i-na-veslah.html

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As posts >>5147 >>5132 >>5103 >>1969 demonstrate, the US Navy ship-building for the future is disorganized, the only ships I can think of being constructed properly in these past few years was the recent Gerald R. Ford Class Nuclear Aircraft Carriers. Everything else has been a mess. Russia has had a similar problem, but that was primarily due to the dissolution of the USSR fucking up its industry and other socio-economic aspects in general. The depiction of e.g. "rusting Soviet-era hulks", has some basis in fact, but conceals as much as it reveals. Russia's famously "old" submarine fleet, for example, isn't older than the US submarine fleet and ships in general have expected service lifespans of 35-40 years, with many US Naval ships easily being older than some of Russia's. The real problem for the Russian Navy has not just been the retention and poor-maintenance to date of late-Soviet-era ships, but the low rate of production of new vessels to replace them, with the largest warships produced since the USSR being the 6,600t Ivan Gren landing ship and the 5,400t Gorshkov class frigates. And that's an entirely different discussion.

The USN is just an example of Capitalism in decay: - The USS Bonhomme Richard was scuttled because repairing it after the fire damage in San Diego would have cost a little over 3 billion dollars and take 3 years. Meanwhile, the cost of replacing the ship outright in 2020 (when it was decided to be decommissioned) was 4 billion, so rather than repair a damaged but seaworthy ship that exists, the Navy is opting to replace it in the future for an extra 1 billion dollars, even as costs go up, with the cost of a replacement for the Wasp-Class light carrier rising to over 4.1 billion dollars as of 2023. Considering that constructing a new ship of the class takes 3-4 years, it the Navy's decision was idiotic, but in part due to a lack of repair facilities.
- The larger USS John C. Stennis and George Washington have had their RCOH delayed heavily, with the two carriers only expected to come back into service at the end of 2026 and 2027 respectively.
https://topwar.ru/244574-kapitalnyj-remont-avianosca-vms-ssha-dzhon-k-stennis-otlozhen-na-zavershenie-rabot-potrebuetsja-bolee-5-let.html
https://www.sycamoreinstitute.org/post/sinking-the-navy-s-sunk-cost-fallacy
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/05/17/us-navy-ships-shipbuilding-fleet-china-naval-race-pacific/

Of course it doesn't help that the US Navy relies on Japanese steel and ship-building even as said steel has been substandard for literal decades
https://www.quora.com/Can-the-United-States-build-a-new-carrier-group-every-five-years-for-the-next-fifty-years/answer/CaiLei-2
https://topwar.ru/243123-na-rodine-sroki-rabot-prevyshajut-gody-vms-ssha-peredajut-kompetencii-remonta-korablej-japonskim-verfjam.html

So in other words the famous shipyards of the US Navy have rotted into incompetence and impotence.
https://news.usni.org/2019/05/31/fitzgerald-co-destroyer-repairs-at-risk-from-poor-shipyard-fire-safety

The same is applicable to European ships. As seen in the Ukraine posts about economic production failures this is also a problem of the over-all military from tanks and artillery, to missiles and ships ( >>4991 >>4897 >>4823 >>4824 >>4693 ).

The UK's aircraft carriers have had numerous problems, ranging from smoking engines and rust, to fires and breakdowns.
https://news.usni.org/2024/02/05/u-k-carrier-hms-queen-elizabeth-sidelined-european-carriers-head-for-pacific
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/royal-navys-aircraft-carrier-nightmare-just-wont-end-209971
The same applies to their Nuclear submarines >>4646 due to budget cuts reducing maintenance and causing corrosion issues that haven't been solved since they were reported.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/nov/16/submarine-corrosion-cost-cutting-mod-memo
https://topwar.ru/245326-jeto-pozor-britanskij-admiral-raskritikoval-sostojanie-jadernoj-infrastruktury-soedinennogo-korolevstva.html
Not to mention the lack of safety for the Trident missiles: https://wikileaks.org/trident-safety/
https://www.navylookout.com/a-credible-deterrent-trident-missile-fails-during-test-launch-from-hms-vanguard/
And other smaller ships have had issues with internals because British drydocks are fucked, such as the Type 45s whose engines literally die in the heat of equatorial regions of the Ocean.
https://topwar.ru/231942-problemy-sudoremonta-v-anglii.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/21/royal-navy-warships-crashed-into-each-other-due-to-faulty-rewiring-say-sources

Danish, German and Italian Warships have had numerous missile launch problems, and these were known in advance but not resolved because it wasn't seen as an important issue
https://www.politico.eu/article/danish-defense-chief-dismissed-after-warship-malfunctions-in-red-sea-battle/
https://www.businessinsider.com/missile-misfire-damages-deck-of-a-german-navy-frigate-sachsen-2018-6
https://www.twz.com/sea/danish-frigate-suffered-radar-combat-system-gun-problems-during-red-sea-ops-reports
>the German Navy’s Sachsen class frigate Hessen mistakenly fired two SM-2 missiles at a U.S. MQ-9 Reaper drone. The Reaper survived the incident only because those missiles failed to function
>the (Danish) warship was unable to fire its ESSM air defense missiles for a half-hour period, while “up to half” of the rounds fired from the (Italian) twin 76mm guns detonated too early and close to the ship.

The most recent German warships are also poorly armed and extremely pricey while failing their trials.
https://archive.ph/6Qnxr

Canada's Arctic patrol ships are a joke, both in design and in actual execution. Based on civilian Coast Guard vessels They have no CIWS, no military grade SONAR and RADAR, a terrible top speed for ships of their size and class, yet are supposed to be PATROL ships.
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/latest-breakdown-on-new-arctic-ship-blamed-on-failed-diesel-generators
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/royal-canadian-navys-new-arctic-ships-have-a-severe-flooding-problem-say-sailors
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/leaks-ineffective-anchors-mechanical-breakdowns-among-ongoing-problems-facing-new-arctic-patrol-ships
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-navy-critical-state-1.7044267
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/our-navy-sinks-toward-impotence

Ukrainians launched a salvage dive on one of their patrol boats sunk in 2022 at Snake Island. Honestly I don't think people understand how heavy the fighting there was in the brief time that it was relevant.

https://topwar.ru/246120-vms-vsu-proveli-operaciju-po-obnaruzheniju-unichtozhennogo-vks-rf-v-mae-2022-goda-u-ostrova-zmeinyj-dshk.html

A while back the Ukrainians hit a DE submarine and a Landing ship that were in dry dock, using the Storm Shadow missiles. The Ukrainian side and naysayers in the West and Russia claimed the submarine was a total loss. I knew differently, and the result is that the submarine is repaired, out of Dry Dock and completing its refit. Pic related was the damage inflicted and subsequently repaired

https://southfront.press/dock-repairs-of-russian-submarine-damaged-in-ukrainian-missile-attack-completed-report/


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