Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu. I'm definitely NOT Talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with Shining Tvåldtäktzohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after Alucard, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu and having eaten Popeye's spinach. I'm talking about sagemode sage of the six paths Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Legendary Super Saiyan 4 Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, and Geass doujutsus, equipped with his Shining Tvåldtäktzohedron while casting Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann as his Susanoo, controlling the Gold Experience Requiem stand, having become the original vampire after having absorbed Alucard as well as a God Hand, able to tap into the speedforce, wearing the Kamen Rider Black RX suit, with Kryptonian DNA implanted in him and having eaten Popeye's spinach while possessing quantum powers like Dr. Manhattan and having mastered Hokuto Shinken.
280 posts and 129 image replies omitted.>>28468Imagine how unimaginably broken might guy would be with mastered eight gate form
>>28457There is a Naruto hate thread, use it faggot.
Also your strawman is retarded and false. Stop getting your understanding of series you never watched from E-Celebs who also never watched it you stupid fuck.
>>28459>>28462None of you retards actually watched or read Naruto or if you did, you're blatantly making shit up.
>muh clonesAh yes, days of spamming clones until he drops from exhaustion isn't working hard. This is the kind of crab-in-a-bucket shit that I hate. An underdog doesn't literally need to be the weakest character in the verse to be an underdog.
Yes, Naruto has 'powers' that are unique, he also earns almost all of them barring the Asura thing and even then he had to almost die to get that.
Kurama? Nope, that fucker messed up his chakra control so bad he's the worst in his class, and his chakra made Naruto go berserk half the time, healing with the cloak also shortened Naruto's life-span and for those negatives to be overcome, Naruto had to go through a ton of growth as a person and then literally beat the Kyuubi in a fight to take his power and dilute his hatred.
Sage Mode? Dude took weeks of excessive training and even then he still lost the fight against Pain initially.
Summoning a toad, tree-walking/water-walking? Weeks of training to literal physical collapse, extreme circumstances and so on.
Being the Hokage's son had no advantages for him, nobody but a select few people knew him for that, and it gave him no advantages in his struggle to be acknowledged, especially as he contended with also being a Jinchuriki.
Gaara had it worse than Naruto, but it's not a dick-measuring contest of who suffered more, that's literally a theme in the story; that suffering and pain, while different in each person can connect people through empathy.
Fucking hell you people are media illiterates, the n/a/rutard threads on 4cuck are less retarded than this.
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https://borutotwobluevortexchapters.com/Madara is over glazed. Also, he was in over his head.
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The Power of friendship, like all those Japanese children's cartoons right?
>>29034I thought it was about hard work or if it was about the supremacy of being gifted with good genes
>>29035Well it's definitely not about hard work considering rock lee gets repeatedly jobbed while naruto uses the kage bunshin as an xp multiplier
>>29038It’s probably about who has the coolest looking eyes at this point.
It said it right there bitch
Naruto is Harry Potter with Ninjas but the Ninjas do magic so it's just Harry Potter
>>29067Nah, more like Harry Potter if wizards weren’t completely fucking useless in close range combat
>>29033It is about naruto's life.
Naruto is about whatever the author needed to pull out of his ass weekly to keep his job as writer and illustrator of a prestige comics magazine targeted to little boys.
>>29070Kids watch this shit? Naruto is a long running series like one piece. I haven’t watched any of that stuff in ages but I’ve heard that the violence has been toned down and has had a bunch of kid shit put into it like dragon ball daima so I’ve stayed away from it for now.
>>29071>Kids watch this shit? Yeah, when I was 11-14 all the nerdier kids loved Naruto (and Death Note). I don't know if kids growing up after it ended bother going back to watch it though.
>>29033I watched the first seasons back when I was a teenager, and the recurring topic was that it takes a village to raise a child. none of the protagonists were intrinsically good and none of the antagonists were intrinsically evil, they all had either a tragic backstory of being marginalized and mistreated by their community, or were professional mercenaries just doing their job, with no real animosity towards each other or their victims
it was a kid shows so it was never shown explicitly, but I remember that at some point during the zabuza arc the instructor guy tells naruto something like "even though you think we are the good guys, we are mercenaries and sometimes we do kill innocent people for money"
>>29071Not anymore, but kids aged 10 to 18 did read the manga when it was airing. Nowadays kids read shit like Gachiakuta or whatever the fuck is recent in the shonen sphere. The same way kids would read Yuyu Hakusho and Jojo before Naruto.
The only people who care about Naruto are
>people who watched the show as kids and didn't let go (like Harry Potter fans)>people who don't watch anime but were convinced by the group mentioned above to give it a shot and love it for being "so different" (it's just the same tropes from forever ago) I too watched the first few seasons when I was in highschool forever ago.
OP's post made me go on the wiki and read about the ninja aliens.
I'm glad I didn't watch 2 entire series to find out its ancient aliens.
>>29086Thanks. I never caught up with shippuden or payed that much attention to the part 1. I wasn’t aware of the fact that the show was like one piece in the sense that both the protagonists and the author are aware that the main characters are functionally not “good” people nor are possible to write as saints respectively.
>>29089Your welcome.
>>29087Question, are there any non kid friendly action anime released? When I specify non-kid friendly, I mean not containing the tropes older shows would have like women being unusually aggressive towards minor inconveniences, sexual and power based fan service, bathroom humour, censorship of blood and brutality, unusually soft colour pallets, and self insert power garbage for audiences untrained in real world fighting?
>>29033It's a Conservative-Confucian-Nationalist manga for young people. It's ultimately about forgiving war criminals, looking at world and historical issues in a personal emotional idealist lens, and promoting a conservative status quo resolution of the system, just with the main character in charge.
Naruto is about child soldiers and the fascist deep state, I assume
the first volumes/seasons are a conservative attack against queerness. first you have haku, a boy that becomes trans and then dies because he got groomed by a psychopath. and then you have orochimaru, whose first appearance is literally impersonating a woman and kissing sasuke to give him "his curse" (the gay virus), his second appearance is to hint that he groomed kabuto when he was a teenager, and his first off-screen mention is to imply that he molested anko
>>29100I respectfully disagree with this take:
Haku’s story isn’t about "punishing transness."
Haku’s gender fluidity is treated neutrally in-universe. Naruto briefly misgenders him, then immediately moves on — zero narrative judgment.
His tragedy stems from being a child soldier trapped in Zabuza’s cycle of violence (war trauma > queer identity). His death humanizes both him and Zabuza, framing their bond as twisted but tender — not as grooming = queerness.
Orochimaru isn’t "queer-coding villainy."
His shapeshifting/gender impersonation is classic folklore deception (think tengu or kitsune tropes).
His predatory behavior — cursing Sasuke, manipulating Kabuto/Anko — reflects ambition and abuse of power, not queerness. The narrative condemns him for violating autonomy (a universal theme), not for queerness.
Early 2000s shonen like Naruto used androgyny/flamboyance for drama, not LGBTQ+ commentary. Kishimoto later includes positive gender-nonconforming rep (e.g., Might Guy’s emotional flamboyance isn’t mocked). Haku’s gentleness even contrasts toxic masculinity — he’s kind despite being raised as a weapon.
Critiquing Orochimaru’s predatory tropes? Valid. But conflating his amorality with queerness ignores:
His victims (Sasuke, Kabuto) aren’t queer-coded.
In-universe, nobody links his actions to LGBTQ+ identities.
TL;DR: Early Naruto has problematic tropes (like most 2000s anime), but framing it as "anti-queer" overlooks its neutral/progressive aspects for its time.
>>29093The series critiques cycles of vengeance (e.g., Pain’s rampage, Sasuke’s downfall) and uses forgiveness as a tool to break generational trauma—not to excuse atrocities. Naruto spares Nagato/Obito but still holds them accountable ("I’ll never forgive you!"), and the Kage system itself reforms post-war (e.g., Allied Shinobi Forces).
While grounded in interpersonal bonds (a shōnen staple), the story openly condemns systemic failures:
Child soldiers (Gaara, Kakashi)
Clan persecution (Uchiha massacre, Hyūga abuse)
Authoritarian corruption (Danzō, Madara)
Naruto’s rise as Hokage symbolizes changing the system from within—not preserving it—by valuing outsiders, diplomacy, and mercy over tradition.
The Ending Isn’t "Status Quo with Naruto in Charge"
Pre-war Konoha: Secretive, clan-dominated, militaristic.
Post-war Konoha: Open to outsiders (Kumo/Suna alliances), prioritizes diplomacy, and Naruto explicitly rejects past Hokage dogma (e.g., Hiruzen’s inaction, Tobirama’s Uchiha bias). His leadership is the reform.
Mocks elite birthright (Neji’s "fate" speech rebutted).
Centers orphaned "failures" (Naruto, Lee).
Nationalism? The finale unites nations—it’s anti-jingoistic by design.
Yes, Naruto avoids revolutionary overthrow (it’s a mainstream shōnen), but its core ethos—empathy over inherited hatred—is progressive for its genre. It challenges conservative power structures far more than it upholds them.
Key difference: It’s idealist, not inherently conservative. You can critique its methods without mislabeling its message.
I think you're missing some of the deeper structural critiques of Naruto when you frame it as purely anti-war or anti-militaristic. Sure, on the surface, it advocates for peace and understanding, but the world it builds is one where military power is centralized, hierarchical, and glorified—and that’s not exactly anti-fascist. The shinobi system is built around village-states that demand absolute loyalty, where children are trained as soldiers from a young age, and where power is often concentrated in a few elite bloodlines or individuals. That sounds less like a critique of militarism and more like an endorsement of a militarized society, just with a hopeful coat of paint.
The idea of “peace” in Naruto often comes through overwhelming strength and the domination of a singular will—Naruto’s own ideology—rather than through dismantling oppressive systems. The villains like Pain or Madara are indeed idealists, but they’re portrayed as wrong not because their critiques are invalid (Pain’s speech about the cycle of hatred and suffering is pretty compelling), but because they challenge the status quo that the heroes are trying to preserve. The resolution isn’t structural change; it’s about individuals achieving understanding while leaving the militarized, clan-based hierarchy intact. That feels less like anti-fascism and more like a liberal fantasy where the system is fine as long as the right people are in charge.
And let’s not forget how the series handles the Uchiha clan—they’re massacred by their own government for fear of rebellion, and the story ultimately justifies it as a “necessary evil” for the stability of the village. That’s not anti-militarism; that’s authoritarianism dressed up as tragedy. So yeah, Naruto might preach unity, but it does so within a framework that normalizes and even romanticizes the very institutions that perpetuate conflict and control.
>>29231Good point about the deeper problem with Naruto’s stance on facism being necessarily how it ignores the structural causes rather than advocacy against the wars going on themselves. I don’t think kishimoto intentionally ignored that problem given he was writing the world building since worldbuilding isn’t really the manga’s strongest point. Hell I read a bunch and even such a simple idea that you’re suggesting went in over my head. Hey, at least kishimoto does a lot with showing village leaders trying their hardest to establish diplomatic and cultural unity between each other.
>>29235You’re not wrong—the Uchiha massacre is one of the most morally fraught parts of the series, and Naruto’s reverence for Itachi can definitely leave a bad taste. But I’d argue it’s less that the story is endorsing genocide and more that it’s wrestling with the brutal logic of a system where such “choices” are presented as inevitable.
Itachi isn’t celebrated because he killed his clan; he’s tragic because he was forced into an unwinnable situation by a corrupt and paranoid leadership. The story makes it clear that the Uchiha were pushed toward rebellion through years of marginalization and distrust—the real failure lies with the village’s structure and leadership, not with the Uchiha themselves.
When Naruto praises Itachi, it’s not the act of slaughter he’s honoring—it’s Itachi’s willingness to bear the weight of ultimate sacrifice for what he believed would prevent even greater bloodshed. The narrative doesn’t frame it as “good”; it frames it as heartbreaking. And importantly, it’s this very event that later fuels Sasuke’s anger and the story’s critique of systemic failure.
So while the story doesn’t outright condemn the village’s decision in a revolutionary way, it does use Itachi’s tragedy to expose the dark underbelly of “peace through power.” It’s less pro-genocide and more a grim acknowledgment that in a broken system, there are no clean answers—only cycles of pain. The real criticism is aimed at the world that makes an Itachi necessary, not at Itachi himself.
>>29232That's a fair defense of Kishimoto's intentions, and I agree that he clearly values diplomacy and cultural unity. But I still don't think it's accurate to say Naruto’s stance on fascism is "necessarily" about ignoring structural causes—that implies a deliberate or inherent blindness, when I’d argue the story actually engages with those structures, just in a reformist rather than revolutionary way.
Take the Five Kage Summit: it’s literally a gathering where leaders confront systemic failings—distrust, historical grievances, and the very infrastructure of shinobi society that incentivizes conflict. They don’t dismantle the village system, but they do reshape its rules and alliances. That’s not ignoring structure; it’s attempting to change it from within. Even Naruto’s own role—breaking the cycle of hatred through understanding rather than force—is presented as a structural shift in how power is exercised. He doesn’t just defeat the enemy; he redefines the terms of engagement.
And while the story doesn’t advocate for abolishing villages or the shinobi system altogether, it does criticize their flaws—like the corruption in the feudal lords’ governance or the exploitation of jinchuriki. The fact that the system evolves (e.g., the Allied Shinobi Forces, Boruto-era tech and cooperation) shows that Kishimoto is interested in structural progress, even if it’s incremental. So it’s less that he ignores structure, and more that he believes in reforming it rather than tearing it down—which is a different political stance, but not a fascist one. Fascism glorifies the state, suppresses dissent, and seeks expansion through purity and force. Naruto’s world moves toward collaboration, forgiveness, and shared governance. That’s arguably the opposite.
Itachi genociding his clan for the village secret services was a great plot development. What sucks is that the author used this to display Itachi as a hero.
Kishimoto is a master at creating interesting characters in an interesting world, start great plot points, only to fuck it all up in royal fashion in the cringiest way possible.
Pain should have been the final villain, the whole but its actually Tobi, who's actually Obito, oh no its actually Madara, its actually white zetsu, Black zetsu BAAM its KAGUYA is the worst trainwreck in the history of fiction. I will never forgive kishimoto for ruining my favourite childhood cartoon. Fuck you Kishitmoto
>>29240>Kishimoto is a master at creating interesting characters in an interesting worldAs long as they're not female
>>29241Tenten, Ino, Temari, Kurenai were all good character concepts. TOO bad Ki
shitmoto never did anything with them smh
Random complaint:
Why did the series fall off in quality so hard? I swear the first warning signs emerged the moment the kurama shit started overtaking the shows messages on hard work mattering (or even just Lee never winning fights that look well in his favour), but it’s by the end of the pain arc where the series’ quality to me full plummets. Taijutsu and tactics being almost completely sidelined for beam spam and bloodline powers, the show completely disregarding its message of hard work ever mattering, I would’ve complained about the theme of peace and vengeance being bad being sidelined but that was already finished properly by the five kage summit so kishimoto was fine with that, but the word building and character designs took another nosedive with everything else. Literally the only thing boruto did right was making taijutsu become relevant again with the whole karma otsutsuki shenanigans and that’s it. Otherwise, I have no idea what to like about this series no more. Even the games suck.
>>29268Pain should have been the final vilain. Naruto should not have talk-no-jutsu’ed him into becoming a good guy and reviving everyone. Tsunade, Kakashi etc should have died. Naruto should have returned to the village as a hero and become Hokage.
As for Sasuke’s plotline, Itachi should not have been revealed as this jesus goody figure. The Anbu plot to massacre the Uchiha to revent civil war was correct, but Itachi should have taken the job in fulfilment of his own psycho tendency. Atleast then, Kishi would not pass the message that murdering a whole clan to prevent revolt is actually based. Sasuke, after killing Itachi (who tells him why he did it just before he dies), decides to complete his clan’s vengence by swearing to kill the village elders. He starts off with Danzo who he kills and a few other ANBU. It leads to a final showdown between him and Naruto (now Hokage) in the Valley. Naruto admits the Uchiha massacre was wrong but pleads Sasuke to stop his vengence spree, for the past is past and he already killed Itachi and Danzo. Sasuke disagrees, for him, Konoha’s political structure itself must be destroyed. Naruto, as a hokage, has a duty to protect his village, so he fights Sasuke and wins, killing Sasuke. Naruto goes back to the village and initiates reforms, which ensures full integration of clans and guarantees their representation in top level decision making. End of story.
You guys seem to forget that Kishimoto was writing weekly while drawing the final version of the storyboards. He was winging it because it was his job to write weekly for as long as possible. Any proper narrative analysis of Naruto is already giving more thought to the story than the author ever did.
>>29270He could’ve just made the filler content dedicated to characters and places he never fleshed out like rock Lee’s team, the land of iron, the six jinchuriki that got off screened by the akatsuki, flashbacks surrounding the origins of the tailed beasts, Sakura, the hidden cloud village, I could keep going. There’s a lot of things kishimoto could’ve done differently instead of writing the most convoluted magic system I’ve ever seen in shonen history.
>>29270one day I will re-write Naruto, the entirety of it. These cool characters and abilities deserved so much more than what Kishitardo gave them.
>>29271i dont think kishimoto writes the filler arcs
that'a anime only
>>29278Eh could be. Still wish someone was with him to make sure that the filler (which is like fucking half of part 2 while the non filler shit are flashbacks) had the same importance as the filler of one piece
>>533gachi was so fucking peak, itd just be aislop now
>>29088This is pretty well done. Nice
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