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>>29033
It is about naruto's life.

Naruto is about whatever the author needed to pull out of his ass weekly to keep his job as writer and illustrator of a prestige comics magazine targeted to little boys.

>>29070
Kids watch this shit? Naruto is a long running series like one piece. I haven’t watched any of that stuff in ages but I’ve heard that the violence has been toned down and has had a bunch of kid shit put into it like dragon ball daima so I’ve stayed away from it for now.

>>29071
>Kids watch this shit?
Yeah, when I was 11-14 all the nerdier kids loved Naruto (and Death Note). I don't know if kids growing up after it ended bother going back to watch it though.

>>29033
I watched the first seasons back when I was a teenager, and the recurring topic was that it takes a village to raise a child. none of the protagonists were intrinsically good and none of the antagonists were intrinsically evil, they all had either a tragic backstory of being marginalized and mistreated by their community, or were professional mercenaries just doing their job, with no real animosity towards each other or their victims

it was a kid shows so it was never shown explicitly, but I remember that at some point during the zabuza arc the instructor guy tells naruto something like "even though you think we are the good guys, we are mercenaries and sometimes we do kill innocent people for money"

>>29071
Not anymore, but kids aged 10 to 18 did read the manga when it was airing. Nowadays kids read shit like Gachiakuta or whatever the fuck is recent in the shonen sphere. The same way kids would read Yuyu Hakusho and Jojo before Naruto.
The only people who care about Naruto are
>people who watched the show as kids and didn't let go (like Harry Potter fans)
>people who don't watch anime but were convinced by the group mentioned above to give it a shot and love it for being "so different" (it's just the same tropes from forever ago)

I too watched the first few seasons when I was in highschool forever ago.
OP's post made me go on the wiki and read about the ninja aliens.
I'm glad I didn't watch 2 entire series to find out its ancient aliens.

>>29086
Thanks. I never caught up with shippuden or payed that much attention to the part 1. I wasn’t aware of the fact that the show was like one piece in the sense that both the protagonists and the author are aware that the main characters are functionally not “good” people nor are possible to write as saints respectively.
>>29089
Your welcome.
>>29087
Question, are there any non kid friendly action anime released? When I specify non-kid friendly, I mean not containing the tropes older shows would have like women being unusually aggressive towards minor inconveniences, sexual and power based fan service, bathroom humour, censorship of blood and brutality, unusually soft colour pallets, and self insert power garbage for audiences untrained in real world fighting?

>>29033
It's a Conservative-Confucian-Nationalist manga for young people. It's ultimately about forgiving war criminals, looking at world and historical issues in a personal emotional idealist lens, and promoting a conservative status quo resolution of the system, just with the main character in charge.

Naruto is about child soldiers and the fascist deep state, I assume

>>29094
>Naruto is about child soldiers and the fascist deep state
It can't be about child soldiers, because there's no real critique about it. The fascist deep state CIA part of Konoha does cause a lot of the conflict in the narrative, but this never leads to the title character to have any critique of the system, in fact, Naruto never truly confronts these forces in the story. And a lot of the fascist elements of Konoha is subtly justified without pushback.

the first volumes/seasons are a conservative attack against queerness. first you have haku, a boy that becomes trans and then dies because he got groomed by a psychopath. and then you have orochimaru, whose first appearance is literally impersonating a woman and kissing sasuke to give him "his curse" (the gay virus), his second appearance is to hint that he groomed kabuto when he was a teenager, and his first off-screen mention is to imply that he molested anko

>>29100
I respectfully disagree with this take:
Haku’s story isn’t about "punishing transness."
Haku’s gender fluidity is treated neutrally in-universe. Naruto briefly misgenders him, then immediately moves on — zero narrative judgment.
His tragedy stems from being a child soldier trapped in Zabuza’s cycle of violence (war trauma > queer identity). His death humanizes both him and Zabuza, framing their bond as twisted but tender — not as grooming = queerness.
Orochimaru isn’t "queer-coding villainy."

His shapeshifting/gender impersonation is classic folklore deception (think tengu or kitsune tropes).
His predatory behavior — cursing Sasuke, manipulating Kabuto/Anko — reflects ambition and abuse of power, not queerness. The narrative condemns him for violating autonomy (a universal theme), not for queerness.
Early 2000s shonen like Naruto used androgyny/flamboyance for drama, not LGBTQ+ commentary. Kishimoto later includes positive gender-nonconforming rep (e.g., Might Guy’s emotional flamboyance isn’t mocked). Haku’s gentleness even contrasts toxic masculinity — he’s kind despite being raised as a weapon.
Critiquing Orochimaru’s predatory tropes? Valid. But conflating his amorality with queerness ignores:
His victims (Sasuke, Kabuto) aren’t queer-coded.
In-universe, nobody links his actions to LGBTQ+ identities.

TL;DR: Early Naruto has problematic tropes (like most 2000s anime), but framing it as "anti-queer" overlooks its neutral/progressive aspects for its time.

>>29093
The series critiques cycles of vengeance (e.g., Pain’s rampage, Sasuke’s downfall) and uses forgiveness as a tool to break generational trauma—not to excuse atrocities. Naruto spares Nagato/Obito but still holds them accountable ("I’ll never forgive you!"), and the Kage system itself reforms post-war (e.g., Allied Shinobi Forces).

While grounded in interpersonal bonds (a shōnen staple), the story openly condemns systemic failures:
Child soldiers (Gaara, Kakashi)
Clan persecution (Uchiha massacre, Hyūga abuse)
Authoritarian corruption (Danzō, Madara)
Naruto’s rise as Hokage symbolizes changing the system from within—not preserving it—by valuing outsiders, diplomacy, and mercy over tradition.
The Ending Isn’t "Status Quo with Naruto in Charge"
Pre-war Konoha: Secretive, clan-dominated, militaristic.
Post-war Konoha: Open to outsiders (Kumo/Suna alliances), prioritizes diplomacy, and Naruto explicitly rejects past Hokage dogma (e.g., Hiruzen’s inaction, Tobirama’s Uchiha bias). His leadership is the reform.

Mocks elite birthright (Neji’s "fate" speech rebutted).
Centers orphaned "failures" (Naruto, Lee).
Nationalism? The finale unites nations—it’s anti-jingoistic by design.
Yes, Naruto avoids revolutionary overthrow (it’s a mainstream shōnen), but its core ethos—empathy over inherited hatred—is progressive for its genre. It challenges conservative power structures far more than it upholds them.
Key difference: It’s idealist, not inherently conservative. You can critique its methods without mislabeling its message.

I’ve been reading the manga and I’m getting the sense that Naruto is the opposite of attack on titan in its messages. The only thing the shows share is the idea that violence is cyclical. Where divergence is defined is the purpose of soldiers to society—at least to me. Most nations are trying and are shown to be seeking peace meanwhile the main villains (whatever pain is and Madara) are doing the opposite by trying to start conflicts out of pure idealism over how they define peace between people. You cannot get anymore clearly antimilitaristic and anti war than that. I’ve read repeated statements in the manga about themes of unity and mutual understanding between clans of people on top of that. Hell the entire uchiha drama is explicitly related to a timeline of attempts to bridge peace between Senju and uchiha peoples.

I think you're missing some of the deeper structural critiques of Naruto when you frame it as purely anti-war or anti-militaristic. Sure, on the surface, it advocates for peace and understanding, but the world it builds is one where military power is centralized, hierarchical, and glorified—and that’s not exactly anti-fascist. The shinobi system is built around village-states that demand absolute loyalty, where children are trained as soldiers from a young age, and where power is often concentrated in a few elite bloodlines or individuals. That sounds less like a critique of militarism and more like an endorsement of a militarized society, just with a hopeful coat of paint.

The idea of “peace” in Naruto often comes through overwhelming strength and the domination of a singular will—Naruto’s own ideology—rather than through dismantling oppressive systems. The villains like Pain or Madara are indeed idealists, but they’re portrayed as wrong not because their critiques are invalid (Pain’s speech about the cycle of hatred and suffering is pretty compelling), but because they challenge the status quo that the heroes are trying to preserve. The resolution isn’t structural change; it’s about individuals achieving understanding while leaving the militarized, clan-based hierarchy intact. That feels less like anti-fascism and more like a liberal fantasy where the system is fine as long as the right people are in charge.
And let’s not forget how the series handles the Uchiha clan—they’re massacred by their own government for fear of rebellion, and the story ultimately justifies it as a “necessary evil” for the stability of the village. That’s not anti-militarism; that’s authoritarianism dressed up as tragedy. So yeah, Naruto might preach unity, but it does so within a framework that normalizes and even romanticizes the very institutions that perpetuate conflict and control.

>>29231
Good point about the deeper problem with Naruto’s stance on facism being necessarily how it ignores the structural causes rather than advocacy against the wars going on themselves. I don’t think kishimoto intentionally ignored that problem given he was writing the world building since worldbuilding isn’t really the manga’s strongest point. Hell I read a bunch and even such a simple idea that you’re suggesting went in over my head. Hey, at least kishimoto does a lot with showing village leaders trying their hardest to establish diplomatic and cultural unity between each other.

>And let’s not forget how the series handles the Uchiha clan—they’re massacred by their own government for fear of rebellion, and the story ultimately justifies it as a “necessary evil” for the stability of the village. That’s not anti-militarism; that’s authoritarianism dressed up as tragedy.
This. Naruto's narrative objectively tilts towards a pro genocide view point. The main character praises Itachi straight up, after learning the truth.

>>29235
You’re not wrong—the Uchiha massacre is one of the most morally fraught parts of the series, and Naruto’s reverence for Itachi can definitely leave a bad taste. But I’d argue it’s less that the story is endorsing genocide and more that it’s wrestling with the brutal logic of a system where such “choices” are presented as inevitable.

Itachi isn’t celebrated because he killed his clan; he’s tragic because he was forced into an unwinnable situation by a corrupt and paranoid leadership. The story makes it clear that the Uchiha were pushed toward rebellion through years of marginalization and distrust—the real failure lies with the village’s structure and leadership, not with the Uchiha themselves.

When Naruto praises Itachi, it’s not the act of slaughter he’s honoring—it’s Itachi’s willingness to bear the weight of ultimate sacrifice for what he believed would prevent even greater bloodshed. The narrative doesn’t frame it as “good”; it frames it as heartbreaking. And importantly, it’s this very event that later fuels Sasuke’s anger and the story’s critique of systemic failure.

So while the story doesn’t outright condemn the village’s decision in a revolutionary way, it does use Itachi’s tragedy to expose the dark underbelly of “peace through power.” It’s less pro-genocide and more a grim acknowledgment that in a broken system, there are no clean answers—only cycles of pain. The real criticism is aimed at the world that makes an Itachi necessary, not at Itachi himself.

>>29232
That's a fair defense of Kishimoto's intentions, and I agree that he clearly values diplomacy and cultural unity. But I still don't think it's accurate to say Naruto’s stance on fascism is "necessarily" about ignoring structural causes—that implies a deliberate or inherent blindness, when I’d argue the story actually engages with those structures, just in a reformist rather than revolutionary way.

Take the Five Kage Summit: it’s literally a gathering where leaders confront systemic failings—distrust, historical grievances, and the very infrastructure of shinobi society that incentivizes conflict. They don’t dismantle the village system, but they do reshape its rules and alliances. That’s not ignoring structure; it’s attempting to change it from within. Even Naruto’s own role—breaking the cycle of hatred through understanding rather than force—is presented as a structural shift in how power is exercised. He doesn’t just defeat the enemy; he redefines the terms of engagement.

And while the story doesn’t advocate for abolishing villages or the shinobi system altogether, it does criticize their flaws—like the corruption in the feudal lords’ governance or the exploitation of jinchuriki. The fact that the system evolves (e.g., the Allied Shinobi Forces, Boruto-era tech and cooperation) shows that Kishimoto is interested in structural progress, even if it’s incremental. So it’s less that he ignores structure, and more that he believes in reforming it rather than tearing it down—which is a different political stance, but not a fascist one. Fascism glorifies the state, suppresses dissent, and seeks expansion through purity and force. Naruto’s world moves toward collaboration, forgiveness, and shared governance. That’s arguably the opposite.

Itachi genociding his clan for the village secret services was a great plot development. What sucks is that the author used this to display Itachi as a hero.
Kishimoto is a master at creating interesting characters in an interesting world, start great plot points, only to fuck it all up in royal fashion in the cringiest way possible.
Pain should have been the final villain, the whole but its actually Tobi, who's actually Obito, oh no its actually Madara, its actually white zetsu, Black zetsu BAAM its KAGUYA is the worst trainwreck in the history of fiction. I will never forgive kishimoto for ruining my favourite childhood cartoon. Fuck you Kishitmoto

>>29240
>Kishimoto is a master at creating interesting characters in an interesting world
As long as they're not female

>>29241
Tenten, Ino, Temari, Kurenai were all good character concepts. TOO bad Kishitmoto never did anything with them smh

>>29250
Konan <3 too

Random complaint:
Why did the series fall off in quality so hard? I swear the first warning signs emerged the moment the kurama shit started overtaking the shows messages on hard work mattering (or even just Lee never winning fights that look well in his favour), but it’s by the end of the pain arc where the series’ quality to me full plummets. Taijutsu and tactics being almost completely sidelined for beam spam and bloodline powers, the show completely disregarding its message of hard work ever mattering, I would’ve complained about the theme of peace and vengeance being bad being sidelined but that was already finished properly by the five kage summit so kishimoto was fine with that, but the word building and character designs took another nosedive with everything else. Literally the only thing boruto did right was making taijutsu become relevant again with the whole karma otsutsuki shenanigans and that’s it. Otherwise, I have no idea what to like about this series no more. Even the games suck.

>>29268
Pain should have been the final vilain. Naruto should not have talk-no-jutsu’ed him into becoming a good guy and reviving everyone. Tsunade, Kakashi etc should have died. Naruto should have returned to the village as a hero and become Hokage.
As for Sasuke’s plotline, Itachi should not have been revealed as this jesus goody figure. The Anbu plot to massacre the Uchiha to revent civil war was correct, but Itachi should have taken the job in fulfilment of his own psycho tendency. Atleast then, Kishi would not pass the message that murdering a whole clan to prevent revolt is actually based. Sasuke, after killing Itachi (who tells him why he did it just before he dies), decides to complete his clan’s vengence by swearing to kill the village elders. He starts off with Danzo who he kills and a few other ANBU. It leads to a final showdown between him and Naruto (now Hokage) in the Valley. Naruto admits the Uchiha massacre was wrong but pleads Sasuke to stop his vengence spree, for the past is past and he already killed Itachi and Danzo. Sasuke disagrees, for him, Konoha’s political structure itself must be destroyed. Naruto, as a hokage, has a duty to protect his village, so he fights Sasuke and wins, killing Sasuke. Naruto goes back to the village and initiates reforms, which ensures full integration of clans and guarantees their representation in top level decision making. End of story.

You guys seem to forget that Kishimoto was writing weekly while drawing the final version of the storyboards. He was winging it because it was his job to write weekly for as long as possible. Any proper narrative analysis of Naruto is already giving more thought to the story than the author ever did.

>>29270
He could’ve just made the filler content dedicated to characters and places he never fleshed out like rock Lee’s team, the land of iron, the six jinchuriki that got off screened by the akatsuki, flashbacks surrounding the origins of the tailed beasts, Sakura, the hidden cloud village, I could keep going. There’s a lot of things kishimoto could’ve done differently instead of writing the most convoluted magic system I’ve ever seen in shonen history.

>>29270
one day I will re-write Naruto, the entirety of it. These cool characters and abilities deserved so much more than what Kishitardo gave them.

>>29271
i dont think kishimoto writes the filler arcs
that'a anime only

>>29278
Eh could be. Still wish someone was with him to make sure that the filler (which is like fucking half of part 2 while the non filler shit are flashbacks) had the same importance as the filler of one piece

>>533
gachi was so fucking peak, itd just be aislop now

>>29088
This is pretty well done. Nice

>>29097
This. Especially the fact that Orochimaru isn’t punished
Danzo isn’t properly punished either. It had to take Sasuke to kill him

Every time I open this thread when it bumps I regret it because it's just more pseudo-intellectual media illiteracy pretending to be a political analysis. Have any of you (at the very least) read Das Kapital and its analyses of socio-economics relative to historical dialectics? Or Lenin's works? Because this all reads like liberal reddit post regurgitation where "everything is fasheest!"

>>29097
>because there's no real critique about it
What fucking critique is there to be had you nimrod? It's traumatic and fucked up and terrible for population demographics to have children go out and murder people their own age or older, or younger, but because human strife and the cycle of hatred are perpetual, people continue doing it, inflicting generational trauma onto the next set. It's not that fucking difficult to understand when we get how utilitarian things are from the very start. Naruto is a literal HUMAN SACRIFICE, it's what Jinchuriki means. Gaara is one too, suffering from his father's decision. Sasuke, Haku etc.
>The fascist deep state CIA part of Konoha does cause a lot of the conflict in the narrative, but this never leads to the title character to have any critique of the system
The deep state is just another part of the broader issue and basis of shinobi life founded in distrust and death. Konoha was founded with the idea of uniting people but was unable to completely realize the purpose of it, even if it reduced how bad things were (see Warring Clans era vs Nation states era) which itself is a reflection of Japanese and other countries histories, When these countries solidified things were imperfect and flawed, but in a grand scheme were an improvement over the previous system, i.e. socio-economic progression of dialectics.
>Naruto never truly confronts
Yes he does, just not how every edgy fanfic-writing teenager wanted him to. He confronts both the consequences and fundamentally leads to a change by breaking the cycle of self-perpetuation. It is MEANT to be idealistic because that's the point.

>>30483
Danzo literally gets killed over and over again. He's also a reflection of the flawed system that created Jinchuriki like Naruto and other tragedies. He's kept around because "better the darkness you know, rather than the unknown". It's flawed but realistic. It takes someone both independent of the system and committed to destroying it like Sasuke, to counteract him.
>Orochimaru
Dude literally gets killed and forced through an insane genjutsu mind-wash. Orochimaru isn't much different from most other shinobi overall, simply the scope and openness is different. Ninja are assassins, thieves, mercenaries and so on, the point is to start from a clean slate, everyone's sins left in the past

>>29235
> the series handles the Uchiha clan—they’re massacred by their own government for fear of rebellion, and the story ultimately justifies it as a “necessary evil” for the stability of the village.
A privileged, "royal blood"-type clan (who are also the police force BTW) plans to murder and take over the village in a bloody coup that involves killing the Hokage and subjugating the other clans under themselves because they "the Uchiha" are superior with their Sharingan and whatnot. This isn't some grassroots revolution. This is essentially bourgs unhappy with other bourgs not stroking their ego enough and preparing to enact a fascist coup. The coup would have killed more shinobi and done more damage to the overall village and its people than simply eliminating the Uchiha clan, which is a extremely utilitarian but ultimately valid political position. They're not some peaceful city, it's a militaristic city-state that is in a tense cold war with others militaristic city states and the weaker they are the more likely the war turns hot and countless lives are lost fighting another Great War, which means even MORE Konoha people dying.
TL;DR: a bad peace with better than a "good" war more often than not.
>The main character praises Itachi straight up, after learning the truth.
He respects Itachi as an individual because he recognizes that the world he is in, is that twisted and because Itachi embodied what shinobi means in the old system; being a tool, putting aside subjective emotions and removing a threat to the village and its people, sacrificing himself and his family with unyielding commitment and with a plan to make sure that it was not in vain (to stop Madara).

I'm arguing this as someone that entirely dislikes the retcon of Itachi's reveal and making him into a tragic figure and not a cold-blooded mass-murderer, because I still recognize the idea it represents.

>>29100
Utterly inane bullshit.
>haku, a boy that becomes trans
Haku didn't become trans nor was he ever implied to be. He doesn't use female pronouns or even wear definitively female clothing. Naruto thinks he's a girl because it's a common anime gag about traps which refers to crossdressers and bishounens, which reflects Japanese culture seeing androgynous, youthful traits as desirable.
>dies because he got groomed
That's the point you fucking retard, he dies because of the society he was born into, a society that fears and hates bloodline limits to the point that his own father tried to kill him, a society where being a shinobi is to be a living tool for whatever mission they are assigned, even if that means to forfeit their lives.
>Orochimaru, whose first appearance is literally impersonating a woman and kissing sasuke
Biting the shoulder is not a kiss you nimrod, it's a snake motif. Impersonating a woman has nothing to do with him being or not being gay, but him being a sneaky bastard able to hide in plain site. The 'woman' we see in the Forest of Death is quite androgynous and could pass for an effeminate man, it's not emphasized whatsoever.
>"his curse" (the gay virus)
You sound like those projecting bug-chasers in denial.
>hint that he groomed kabuto
He did, because that's the point.
>his first off-screen mention is to imply that he molested anko
That's very much up to interpretation but even if it is, what the fuck is that an attack against? Paedophiles? Because otherwise you sound like a schizo.

>>29100
>Haku is an MtF trans

Where do you get this idea?

>and then dies because he got groomed by a psychopath

Zabuza is a sociopath, not a psychopath. Zabuza even cried over Hakus death.

>and then you have orochimaru, whose first appearance is literally impersonating a woman and kissing sasuke to give him "his curse" (the gay virus),

Wtf? You serious?

> his second appearance is to hint that he groomed kabuto when he was a teenager, and his first off-screen mention is to imply that he molested anko

Can you show me where this happened?

Why do people always wanna project their pop-political zeitgeist onto retro media, especially from non-western countries?

>>29102
>I respectfully disagree with this take:
Haku’s story isn’t about "punishing transness."
Haku’s gender fluidity is treated neutrally in-universe. Naruto briefly misgenders him, then immediately moves on — zero narrative judgment

Haku isn’t a trans. He’s just a femboy. IDK why people are referring to him as trans.


>TL;DR: Early Naruto has problematic tropes (like most 2000s anime),

All media is problematic, although I feel your definition of “problematic” here is just a shallow SJW platitude in this case.

>but framing it as "anti-queer" overlooks its neutral/progressive aspects for its time.

It’s not “progressive” at all. It’s just a smash-hit story that took the world by storm. No different from its predecessors and successors.


>>30491
Thank you! Finally some common sense on here

>>30498
>IDK why people are referring to him as trans.
It's this weird thing where traps/femboys/crossdressers or even just effeminate males in neutral clothing are now retroactively "trans rep" because some of the people who grew up watching the series became trans and project onto Haku, like they did for a myriad of other such characters.
>Finally some common sense on here
Agreed. I don't know why Naruto threads always get the worst shit-takes. There's literally a Naruto/DBZ/Shonen hate thread if people want to do that. >>3200

>>30499
>Agreed. I don't know why Naruto threads always get the worst shit-takes

Because Naruto is “the Beatles of anime” while Dragonball is “Elvis Presley”.

Also what’s even worse is the constant hateboner for the generational sequel for trying to do things a little differently but then complain about “everything being the same”
It’s just nostalgic glazing for Naruto and Sasuke while complaining about Boruto being overfocused on the MCs.

>It's this weird thing where traps/femboys/crossdressers or even just effeminate males in neutral clothing are now retroactively "trans rep" because some of the people who grew up watching the series became trans and project onto Haku, like they did for a myriad of other such characters.

It’s like how people say “X predicted Y” whenever they watch/read/listen to old media about some person, place, thing that’s now the current-year topical subject.

It is said that people only learn in hindsight but I think a lot of retrospection that’s done is purely solipsism. Nobody really learned anything.

They’re projecting their current sociocognitive conditioning of current year cultural products onto previous ones.

Like for example, whenever there’s old media where characters joke about or discuss airplane hijackings, people immediately go “OMG THEY PREDICTED NINE ELEVEN!”

No they didn’t. If anything, nine eleven was just an umpteenth real life incident of an old trope that defined an era.

Same for whenever there’s old documentaries/interviews with technical crew members complaining about their celebrity bosses being vindictive and rapey, people be like “OMG THIS GUY WAS DIDDY/COSBY BEFORE DIDDY/COSBY”

No they weren’t. Bill Cosby and Puff Daddy were just recent exposes of an age-old real life trope.

>>30504
>Naruto is “the Beatles of anime” while Dragonball is “Elvis Presley”.
Interesting analogy

I loathe Boruto but not because it doesn't focus on Naruto or Sasuke, but rather that it cannot get out of the original story's shadow without taking a piss on it. The filler episodes in early Boruto were miles more interesting than the main plot simply because it was actually focused on Boruto taking on appropriate threats and not magically killing gods that are "GG No Diff"ing Naruto and Sasuke (let alone Konohamaru).

I've said this before but Naruto and Sasuke should have been written out of Boruto near the start and in a way that wouldn't shit on their characters OR instead of setting it right after Naruto, setting it in the future when Naruto and Sasuke are dead and gone.

Oh and the artstyle and animations make even the worst of Naruto look good.

>They’re projecting their current sociocognitive conditioning of current year cultural products onto previous ones.
Yep, it's tiresome.
>people immediately go “OMG THEY PREDICTED NINE ELEVEN!”
That's true, although its an exaggeration of something real, wherein a lot of pre-9/11 media had those specific towers specified in such incidents. But it did become this thing where everything mildly similar gets pointed to. It gives actual conspiracy theories a bad reputation.
>Bill Cosby and Puff Daddy were just recent exposes of an age-old real life trope.
It gets funnier, even back in the 90s and 80s this predatory pressure culture in Hollywood was literally IN Hollywood films, including a film where a teenage girl who wants to become a Hollywood star is forced to moonlight to do so. I can't recall the films name but that was long before the Cosby thing.

>>30506
>I loathe Boruto but not because it doesn't focus on Naruto or Sasuke, but rather that it cannot get out of the original story's shadow without taking a piss on it. The filler episodes in early Boruto were miles more interesting than the main plot simply because it was actually focused on Boruto taking on appropriate threats and not magically killing gods that are "GG No Diff"ing Naruto and Sasuke (let alone Konohamaru).

Seriously? Naruto and Sasuke were battling demigods in Shippuden. Also, Naruto had a powerful fox demon sealed in side of him. If that’s not OP idk what is.
Also people always complain about Boruto “ruining the legacy” of OG Naruto.

>Oh and the artstyle and animations make even the worst of Naruto look good.

Another common complaint that I don’t understand. I can insert that some of the out of designs were whack but not all of them were bad.

>I've said this before but Naruto and Sasuke should have been written out of Boruto near the start and in a way that wouldn't shit on their characters OR instead of setting it right after Naruto, setting it in the future when Naruto and Sasuke are dead and gone.

People complain about Naruto and Sasuke not “getting enough screen time” despite already getting overfocused on in Shippuden

>That's true, although its an exaggeration of something real, wherein a lot of pre-9/11 media had those specific towers specified in such incidents. But it did become this thing where everything mildly similar gets pointed to. It gives actual conspiracy theories a bad reputation.

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that maybe Bin Laden has consumed alot of American media featuring the cinematic popularity of the Twin Towers and that’s where he got his idea?

>It gets funnier, even back in the 90s and 80s this predatory pressure culture in Hollywood was literally IN Hollywood films, including a film where a teenage girl who wants to become a Hollywood star is forced to moonlight to do so. I can't recall the films name but that was long before the Cosby thing.

This. And people were eating this shit all up until the #metoo zeitgeist started and now people are like “OMG I CAN NEVER VIEW THIS THE SAME WAY AGAIN”

And they treat all new media is shitty just because of the recent exposes while ignoring that a lot of our classic cinematic masterpieces had behind-the-scenes abuse going on.

>>30507
> Naruto and Sasuke were battling demigods in Shippuden.
No, they fought them at the END of shippuden after a long progress. Boruto is kid-Naruto's age, yet somehow killed Momoshiki.
>Naruto had a powerful fox demon sealed in side of him
Not this retarded shit again. See >>28481
Boruto earns none of his power and gets it off the cuff. His little 'arc' with the lightning rasengan is just disgusting he THROWS a rasengan and adds a chakra nature to it, both things that took Naruto dedicated training to achieve and the former required SAGE MODE. Naruto literally had to die to get the final level of his powers, and while the 4th Shinobi war is a contentious debate, that's still something, compared to Boruto being a Mary Sue fanfic OC.
>people always complain about Boruto “ruining the legacy” of OG Naruto.
Because it constantly does "remember this?" before pissing on it, it cannot do its own thing without somehow pulling from the past and then making a mockery out of it.
> not all of them were bad
Naruto consistently had good or at least interesting designs and artstyle, and consistently good animation most of the time. Even the Pain fight is good animation, just very jarring because it was different than normal.
Boruto? The Part 2 designs are fucking new age garbage like someone looked at Cyberpunk Edgerunners, missed the point of a cyberpunk setting and said "lets do this but even gayer and edgier." Sarada's currently looks like an LA streetwalker. Daemon is an ugly runt and overall none of them look like characters that belong in that world in any way. They look like rejects from an ecchi mahou shoujo show rip off. Part 1 wasn't much better, see pics rel.
>overfocused on in Shippuden
It's called Naruto, I wouldn't say its overfocused.
>People complain about Naruto and Sasuke not “getting enough screen time”
They do so because half the time Sasuke and Naruto, who can basically teleport and sense the entire planet should be already there and stopping things. It's basically the "why does Superman, who can hear things across the universe and fly faster than light, not just stop all crime" on a smaller scale. There is no way that Kara operates and Naruto doesn't know, so either he's just ignoring these obvious terrorists or is retarded. There is no way that Momoshiki attacks Killer Bee and Naruto isn't instantly alerted the moment they appear.
>Bin Laden has consumed alot of American media featuring the cinematic popularity of the Twin Towers and that’s where he got his idea?
Eh, there's more to it, mostly because it wasn't his plan. Operation Northwoods and so on.
>they treat all new media is shitty just because of the recent exposes while ignoring that a lot of our classic cinematic masterpieces had behind-the-scenes abuse going on.
And still does go on, now it's just more carefully managed.

>>30511
>Boruto earns none of his power and gets it off the cuff. His little 'arc' with the lightning rasengan is just disgusting he THROWS a rasengan and adds a chakra nature to it, both things that took Naruto dedicated training to achieve and the former required SAGE MODE. Naruto literally had to die to get the final level of his powers, and while the 4th Shinobi war is a contentious debate, that's still something, compared to Boruto being a Mary Sue fanfic OC.

I guess we are gonnna forget that prodigies can exist. Kakashi was already advanced by age ten.
Or Itachi.
I always find it interesting that people like to use “Mary Sue” as an insult. Tbh Id rather have Mary Sues. A lot of fiction, especially action adventure seems to celebrate self-depreciation and personal deficits a little too much for “chart development”.

Boruto wasn’t good at shadow clone just like his dad and he was training under Sasuke.

Explain to me which of his powers are unearned. I feel a lot of hate for Boruto is because he isn’t a 1:1 copy of his dad in terms of how long it takes for him to master something.

You may as well dismiss Sasuke, Kakashi, hell even Minato.

>Naruto consistently had good or at least interesting designs and artstyle, and consistently good animation most of the time. Even the Pain fight is good animation, just very jarring because it was different than normal.

The sad thing about this is Naruto is one of the few characters with a bad design.
I mean seriously the loud orange jumpsuit?
They could’ve done better.
Even in Shippuden his costume was still kinda meh.

At least Boruto has better design

>They do so because half the time Sasuke and Naruto, who can basically teleport and sense the entire planet should be already there and stopping things. It's basically the "why does Superman, who can hear things across the universe and fly faster than light, not just stop all crime" on a smaller scale. There is no way that Kara operates and Naruto doesn't know, so either he's just ignoring these obvious terrorists or is retarded. There is no way that Momoshiki attacks Killer Bee and Naruto isn't instantly alerted the moment they appear.

Having god powers doesn’t mean that you don’t tire out. It also doesn’t mean that they cannot be temporarily halted.

Remember that Superman can be taken down with Kryptonite.

>first pic obsessing over Saradas geninoutfit

It’s not slutty or anything idk what your problem is, the Blue Vortex outfit I can understand

Also, Sasuke doesn’t look ugly in Boruto at all.

>Because it constantly does "remember this?" before pissing on it, it cannot do its own thing without somehow pulling from the past and then making a mockery out of it.

More like, whenever it does it’s own thing, you’ll complain about it.
Just like how you complained about the outfit designs.

We have Denki making cool mech accessories to help shinobi and people cry about it

>>30512
>I guess we are gonnna forget that prodigies can exist. Kakashi was already advanced by age ten.
Boruto isn't a prodigy. Kakashi is shown training hard and became a Genin at 6 at the tail end of the 2nd War. He was raised on blood, having lost his mother early and his father soon after to suicide due to dishonor. Not to mention that until he got the Sharingan he wasn't as powerful, and even after getting the Sharingan he wouldn't have been able to kill Momoshiki even with help.
Hell, his jonin promotion was as much due to the loss of life in the war as it was his skill, hence why things slowed down after the war.
Itachi is the same situation, having witnessed the bloodshed of the 3rd War first hand and also having a dojutsu that basically does a majority of the heavy lifting (copying any technique is OP, and its what let Kakashi as a kid go from skilled to legendary).
Jiraiya worked his ass off training with the toads and under the Hokage himself, as did Orochimaru and Tsunade. They didn't arrive as genin capable of throwing multiple lightning jutsu, water jutsu and shadow clones.
We don't see enough about Minato, but its presumable the same thing, he worked to his position. He didn't get handed special powers. The closest we get is Kushina's Adamantine chains, but noteably Naruto doesn't inherit these.
Sasuke literally gets his body modified by Orochimaru and trains relentlessly, this is explicitly stated and a major point of frustration for him before then, as he gets bodied by Itachi.
Boruto achieves a nature-transformation with a rasengan in a shorter amount of time than it took Naruto by a country mile. Naruto learning the Rasengan in a week or so was already considered amazing because it took Jiraiya months to figure it out, but Jiraiya also taught him the steps of it first. For the Fuuton Rasengan and Rasenshuriken, Naruto had to first MASTER wind using thousands of clones for at least a week and then more time applying it to the Rasengan, essentially using shadow clones to compress years of training into days and suffering immense backlash for it. His arm gets shredded by his own technique until sage mode provides the protection and method of throwing it.
With a couple clones Boruto in less time does the same thing BY ACCIDENT and without sage mode learns to throw it. That's not prodigy, that's bullshit.
>Naruto is one of the few characters with a bad design.
I disagree. Nothing wrong with Orange, hell its loudness is partially the point, his entire world-view on Shinobi is completely contrary to what it is, down to wearing the opposite scheme of color.
>Boruto has better design
Boruto looks like an SAO character lmao.
>Having god powers doesn’t mean that you don’t tire out
They fought the Ninja war for days, Naruto literally making thousands of clones, sharing his chakra with thousands upon thousands of people, helping teleport them, firing dozens of jutsu that vaporized mountain ranges, survived dying and being resuscitated, along with his soul nearly being torn out of his body, and then after that he still had enough energy to slug it out with Sasuke for a day after that, where he survived getting impaled by Amaterasu, among other things.
Against Jigen, a pissant compared to Kaguya, they lasted 10 minutes at most and were suddenly exhausted by Jutsu they used to throw around like nothing. No Sage arts, no frog strike, no kirin, nothing.
>doesn’t mean that they cannot be temporarily halted.
By fucking what? How on earth does Naruto, who in a weaker form (Kurama Cloak V1) was faster than his father a literal teleporter and later dodged light-speed attacks at point blank range, but is slowed down? He can make LITERALLY 1 thousand clones just with his own chakra and even more than that with Kuramas
>Superman can be taken down with Kryptonite
That is a very specific plot device and its not how Naruto works
>not slutty
The anime specifically changed her outfit because it was considered inappropriate, don't be obtuse. Pic 1 rel
>Sasuke doesn’t look ugly in Boruto
<ignores pic 4
Not currently, because people got so mad about him that studio took action. At least Studio Pierrot did it better from the start, which is another reason to say the anime is better.
>whenever it does it’s own thing, you’ll complain about it.
Except I don't. I liked the episodes where (for example) Konohamaru demonstrates various seals as he and his team attempt to neutralize a cursed spirit. I posted about it >>2649 And several of the more plot relevant ones like the episode with the miniature Shinju that involved Orochimaru. Heck, the episodes before Genin graduation of Boruto visiting the Hidden Mist were more interesting because at least it was new, even if some of that was silly. But then as soon as things involve a popular older character it just becomes idiotic. I attribute this to the fillers being written by other people and not the manga writers.
>We have Denki making cool mech accessories to help shinobi and people cry about it
Because overall it doesn't fit, not as depicted. It's like Legend of Korra's idiotic parody of 1920s America, somehow they went from power-users in feudal lands to modern capitalists with a lot of technology that just happens to be like ours. In Boruto this is worse because Scientific ninja tools go from plausible chakra based devices to "bio-mechanical cyborgs" as if its Cyberpunk 2077, an ENORMOUS leap in technology from people using VCRs up until the 4th War. The only explanation we vaguely get is "collaboration of ninja nations leads to this" but that doesn't explain much and I'm not even sure if that was in the manga at this point, or just more anime filler carrying Boruto as usual. The worst of it is more from Kara however, since Konoha tech seems to actually make SOME sense, the chakra-sword (lightsaber) is a good example; actually having consequences for its use

Anyway you're ignoring a lot of what I'm saying and posting, so good night.

>>30529
>They fought the Ninja war for days, Naruto literally making thousands of clones, sharing his chakra with thousands upon thousands of people, helping teleport them, firing dozens of jutsu that vaporized mountain ranges, survived dying and being resuscitated, along with his soul nearly being torn out of his body, and then after that he still had enough energy to slug it out with Sasuke for a day after that, where he survived getting impaled by Amaterasu, among other things.
>Against Jigen, a pissant compared to Kaguya, they lasted 10 minutes at most and were suddenly exhausted by Jutsu they used to throw around like nothing. No Sage arts, no frog strike, no kirin, nothing.

You expect Naruto and Sasuke to be these invincible powerhouses but you get upset about Boruto learning Rasengan and chakra nature without needing Sage mode?

You’re also forgetting that Boruto was trained by his dad and the academy? And that maybe their techniques have been updated?

>I disagree. Nothing wrong with Orange, hell its loudness is partially the point, his entire world-view on Shinobi is completely contrary to what it is, down to wearing the opposite scheme of color.

It’s not the orange. It’s the jumpsuit.
It’s not really that good.
He looks way better with his Hokage outfit

>The anime specifically changed her outfit because it was considered inappropriate, don't be obtuse. Pic 1 rel

Kurenais outfit was more “inappropriate.” And there’s been no changes to that.

>By fucking what? How on earth does Naruto, who in a weaker form (Kurama Cloak V1) was faster than his father a literal teleporter and later dodged light-speed attacks at point blank range, but is slowed down? He can make LITERALLY 1 thousand clones just with his own chakra and even more than that with Kuramas

You say this but again are upset about Boruto having greater powers than his dad.

>Boruto looks like an SAO character lmao.

If you’re saying that as an insult, it just means that Naruto’s genin outfit is even worse than that.

You complain that “Boruto didn’t earn his powers” but he had train to get his powers. He got bested by enemies as well. And he went and trained his ass off.

Sasuke was training Boruto to make a hundred fold of shadow clones and Boruto could only manage four

>>30529
>his entire world-view on Shinobi is completely contrary to what it is,

And yet you say this:
>Because overall it doesn't fit, not as depicted. It's like Legend of Korra's idiotic parody of 1920s America, somehow they went from power-users in feudal lands to modern capitalists with a lot of technology that just happens to be like ours. In Boruto this is worse because Scientific ninja tools go from plausible chakra based devices to "bio-mechanical cyborgs" as if its Cyberpunk 2077, an ENORMOUS leap in technology from people using VCRs up until the 4th War.


If anything, technological leaps like that makes sense in a way. We have a world where chakra exists and it can be used to manipulate matter, energy, and even time. It can even resurrect the dead.

>>30532
>You expect Naruto and Sasuke to be these invincible powerhouses but you get upset about Boruto learning Rasengan and chakra nature without needing Sage mode?
Are you trolling right now? Naruto and Sasuke couldn't do that at Borutos age and at his level of training, none of the prodigies in Naruto's cast were there. Neji was a prodigy for figuring out a Main Clan technique on his own, but he was also a Hyuuga who's natural ability was chakra control due to the Byakugan allowing them to see it, there were reasons he did something like that, and he still wouldn't have been able to scratch Kaguya or Momoshiki, nor Itachi, nor Kakashi. They're prodigies but they're not born god-slayers. Even Naruto had to master the Kyuubi's power with extreme, self-damaging effort, and failed several times before succeeding.
>forgetting that Boruto was trained by his dad and the academy?
It's literally a plot point that his dad didn't train him almost at all other than some minor jutsu and the shadow clone was a big thing for him AND, not to mention that Naruto wasn't training his kid the same way Kakashi was trained or Itachi was trained or even HE trained. The Academy teaches a few basic moves and actions, Sakura went to the academy too, she didn't get her power there.
>the jumpsuit.
You've been reading too much reddit
1) That's not a jumpsuit, a jumpsuit is a single piece. That is a tracksuit.
2) Hokage outfit is meh, there's a ton of fan designs that did it better, and his hair is just terrible, only Gaara's is worse.
>Kurenais outfit was more “inappropriate.”
1) She's an adult woman
2) No it wasn't . It covered way more and Kurenai wasn't animated/drawn to have her ass pointing at the viewer
>upset about Boruto having greater powers than his dad
Are you genuinely being retarded or what? It's not about him being more powerful, it's about HOW its executed. Prodigy or not, there is no possible way for him to be stronger than Naruto at that point in the story, and they don't even try to address it. Even the Jogan doesn't explain it because as we see with Rock Lee vs Sasuke, a Dojutsu is only as good as its user and their body. Even if Boruto had future sight he physically doesn't have the speed to move fast enough to A) Rush Momoshiki, B) Dodge Momoshiki, C) Hit Momoshiki.
The invisible Rasengan is only invisible to the naked eye, any Dojutsu that sees chakra will still see it coming, yet Momoshiki drops his guard
>just means that Naruto’s genin outfit is even worse than that.
Nope
>he had train to get his powers
When? In the Manga we see nothing, in the anime we see barely anything during FILLER.
>Sasuke was training Boruto to make a hundred fold of shadow clones
<Boruto could only manage four
<This somehow translate to god-killing
You do realize you're proving my point here right?

>>30533
>a world where chakra exists and it can be used to manipulate matter, energy, and even time. It can even resurrect the dead.
You're tying together two different things. Naruto's ideal about humaneness is what differentiates him from the "A Shinobi is a Tool" mentality, not literal technological progress. Secondly, I already covered anachronism and why it makes sense in Naruto in an earlier post but that still made sense on a socio-economic level. There's reasons that trains and automobiles didn't develop while radios did, fast communication takes priority, while Shinobi can easily outspeed any vehicle, so development of such is stunted. Computers and prosthetics make sense. But some tools don't Boots that replicate wall and tree walking won't be developed by ninjas who can just do it on their own, there's no need for it, let alone a demand, and most civilians will neither get access nor have a real, everyday use for it. How does ressurrecting the dead using (essentially) arcane techniques with your hands and Seals translate into electronics? Beside the fact that the main priority of the Ninja nations after the war would have been rebuilding destroyed infrastructure while dealing with a significant loss in manpower (something that took the USSR years even with a planned economy and being very industrialized), technology would have stagnated as rebuilding the old would have taken priority over making the new. Even the USSR focused on specific technological innovations until the 50s and only because they had a Cold War on their doorstep pressuring the rebuilding efforts. After that technology would have likely focused on
industrialization and agricultural improvement and only after would have advanced further. HOW these technologies develop would be influenced by chakra, (as we see Kaminari for electricity symbols in Konoha even in Naruto) but the overall direction would still follow the needs of the people. Especially as the peace after the war would likely reduce the focus on military technology for the time being. Medical progress not withstanding.

Mind you this happens in roughly 16 years after the end of the war. Gagarin flew to space 16 years after WW2 when televisions were still mostly Black and White and computers were the size of bookshelves, and this is with the fact that Rocket technology was being pioneered since before WW2 and was advanced BY WW-2.

TL;DR: The leap in technology isn't the issue, its the depiction of how advanced it is in such a short amount of time. Naruto era society wasn't "Japan technology but feudal ninja" so cellphones and more advanced tech didn't exist. The first computers are massive CRT screens shown midway and later some extremely bulky laptops reminiscent of the early 90s. It took 2 decades of relative prosperity for LCD technology, GPS and touch screens to be developed and reach mass availability and it took a further decade for it to be combined into the smartphone.

Boruto is just "modern Japan but in the Narutoverse" regardless of how rational it may be. The saying "If it's not broke don't fix it" very much applies to how quickly technology progresses and becomes mass produced. It's why modernization of even military technology takes time, because if its not going to radically change battlefield mechanics, then its lower priority for mass production over other less refined but already well-known solutions.

This is all a long way to say that just by looking at it, it doesn't fit visually into the society depicted. It's like Wakanda (in the MCU) being tribal and mostly devoid of industrialization somehow having industrial ability that exceeds the multinational Stark Industries. In older comic depictions Wakanda was developed and more advanced than thought, but not in mass production because it wouldn't make sense.

>>30539
>1) She's an adult woman

That’s your excuse? You get upset about teen girls wearing racy outfits in a world where little kids are forced to become soldiers and used as science experiments and face death and used as vessels for demonic entities that torture them psychosomatically and you’re worried about them wearing a little too short skirts that aren’t even that risqué?

>2) No it wasn't . It covered way more and Kurenai wasn't animated/drawn to have her ass pointing at the viewer

And those panels you showed of Sarada doing that are outliers.

>You do realize you're proving my point here right?

What point?
I’m saying that Boruto wasn’t automatically good at all techniques.

>You've been reading too much reddit
>1) That's not a jumpsuit, a jumpsuit is a single piece. That is a tracksuit.
>2) Hokage outfit is meh, there's a ton of fan designs that did it better, and his hair is just terrible, only Gaara's is worse.

Okay that’s a fair point however I still stand on the idea that Naruto got a better wardrobe as Hokage.
Also, yea Gaaras combover was a bit disappointing but he still looks like a snack.

>Secondly, I already covered anachronism and why it makes sense in Naruto in an earlier post but that still made sense on a socio-economic level. There's reasons that trains and automobiles didn't develop while radios did, fast communication takes priority, while Shinobi can easily outspeed any vehicle, so development of such is stunted

Also a fair point.