No.16961
Star Wars and its communist undertones is the theme of the week I see?
No.16962
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No.16963
>>16961Its our equivalent of Harry Potter.
No.16964
>>16960how the fuck is blade runner communist?
No.16965
>>16964I mean it's pretty much saying late capitalism is shitty
But on the other hand, some generic 'capitalism not so good' message isn't that based really, it just commodifies resistance.
Wait, Star Wars? What the fuck? That isn't even anticapitalist
No.16985
>Pirates of the Caribbean
Ok, I'm interested about this one. This is by far my favorite Disney saga (what other sagas do they have though?) so please elaborate.
No.16986
>>16965>Capitalism = bad<communist Liberals has been saying it for years. But their grift is that it’s just not their brand of capitalism with a human face not to overthrow capitalism itself.
No.16988
the purge
No.16989
>>16960 You forgot Harold and Kumar go to White Castle.
No.16992
>Star Wars is communist
>literally about a movement to restore a corrupt bourgeois republic
No.16993
>>16960>Grave of the FirefliesExplain yourself please. That whole movie is shilling sympathy tears for a family of fascist. It obviously does a great job of illuminating the horrors of war and de-glorifiying it. But if it were really communist I think maybe it would want to touch on why Japan or their pals for that matter were getting fire bombed to start with. Miyazaki may be somewhat of a leftist himself, but Grave of the Fireflies is like the least commie movie ever.
No.16998
>>16987oh god, imagine if they actually made a fallout movie
someone is probably trying to get that project off the ground as we speak
No.16999
>>16993I mean yeah maybe there could/should be a movie about the Rape of Nanking but that doesn't mean the a-bombings weren't horrific crimes against humanity
No.17000
>>16985The heroes are pirates and the villains are usually the crown.
The third movie has them do a pirate version of the international and resist colonialism driven by the East India Trading Company in a very thinly disguised metaphor for anti-imperialism. The main villain of 2 and 3 (and retroactively 1 to a degree) spends practically all his screentime explaining how capitalism is evil/inevitable/all-consuming. His catchphrase is literally "It's nothing personal, just good business," which he says every time he backstabs someone (which is often). 3 also opens with holocaust-tier imagery paired with the union jack being obscured by the company's flag in the most obvious symbolism of all time (vid related). I'm kind of shocked Disney allowed this movie to do what it did, but the previous film was only like the third film ever to gross a billion dollars at release.
No.17003
good thread but people need to explain at least in a sentence what they mean by communist
Like this
>>16989WTF, are you memeing or for real?
No.17004
>>17000>but the previous film was only like the third film ever to gross a billion dollars at release.In this Essay I will explain why the Pirates of the Carribean film franchise is the reason for the boom in online leftism (part 1/56)
No.17005
>>17004There's a lag of ten years on that effect lol.
No.17006
>>17005The communism was hibernating, incubating, marinating inside their young minds ANON!
No.17009
The Godfather II
Coppola has said it’s more of a critique on capitalism using the mob as a metaphor than a mob movie
No.17010
>>16998Ironically enough It’s gonna be full blown anti Chinese propaganda
No.17011
>>17010It seems like first world Maoists love Fallout.
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.17012
>>17011Maotists love anything that shits on China
No.17014
>>17003inglorious basturds is LITERALL Y COmMUNIST and Django Unchained is a metaphor for white genocide juche
No.17027
>Come and See
People don't realize that one's communist? How?
Also, not precisely communist, but it seems not many people realize the meaning behind They Live.
No.17031
>>17027TBF you can interpret They Live to be about de Joos if you want to
No.17032
>>17031Yeah, that's what righoids say, even though the director specifically said it's not about that.
No.17037
>>17026
It’s literally class collaboration propaganda, even fucking Family Guy pointed this out
No.17043
>>17037Class collaborationism isn't fascism lmao.
No.17044
>>17043t.succdem aka social fascist
No.17045
>>17044>muh boogeymanClass collaboration is a component of fascism sure, but it isn't fascism in an of itself, that's an incredibly naïve and undialectical view of what fascism is and how it operates. That's on the same level as claiming a nation is socialist is socialist if it nationalizes some of its industry.
No.17063
>>17045hard cope, succdem
No.17081
>>17063apparently having an understanding of fascism and class collaborationism that isn't meme-tier makes you a "succdem" nowadays.
No.17099
>>17081The material understanding of fascism is that it’s capital in distress and to defend itself it uses class collaboration among other things.
Anything else is just “fascism is when the government does mean things” lib screeching
No.17100
>>17099>The material understanding of fascism is that it’s capital in distress and to defend itself it uses class collaboration among other things>among other thingsIt's almost as if that was the entire point of my post you drooling fucking retard.
No.17101
It's a video game, but MOTHER 3
>>17026
What was it?
No.17104
>>17100Your writing skills are so terrible you came off as an anarkid soylent consumer. Try again next time
No.17177
>>16960Explain how The Thing is communist. Aside from it being directed by John Carpenter, who did They Live
No.17286
>>17177Mark Fisher said the alien was neoliberalism
No.18188
>>17022how is metropolis fascist?
No.18195
>>16960>Starship TroopersI mean, it's a parody of fascism, but that does not make it communist.
>Blade Runner>MatrixThose things are more like techno-accelerationist Nick Land type of stuff, can be communist, but isn't necessarily. Also, very implicit Zionism in the Matrix triology.
>AlienHow? Because of big evil corporation?
>The ThingMight as well, John Carpenter is a crypto-Marxist.
>Pirates of the CaribbeanFuck no.
>Return of the Living DeadI agree.
>Come and See>secretely Literally made by the Soviet Union, lol.
>Children of MenYes.
>The Road>Mad MaxNo.
>Star WarsLiterally knights and princesses as the good guys in a "Republic".
Here is my pick:
>The Last Emperor Bernando Bertolucci was a Marxist and the movie portrays the transformation of Emperor Puyi to a common gardener.
No.18201
>>16993That a very anti-materialist understanding of Grave of the Fireflies. You think every nazi soldier and government official and their families were executed in the GDR? Victims of propaganda are still victims.
No.19328
>>18195>>Alien>>How? Because of big evil corporation?I think the Alien is a metaphor for neoliberalism in it that it's an non-human and anti-human encroachment from the inside that seeks to hollow out everything(i.e. the ship)
No.19329
>>18195>Literally knights and princesses as the good guys in a "Republic".shallow understanding of the films
No.19563
>>16961Neo libs took over the new republic and betrayed the movement.
No.19581
>>18195>Also, very implicit Zionism in the Matrix triology.>implicitThe human capital city is literally named Zion lmao
No.19586
>>19563Literally this is the whole point ,the antifascist ressistance was sabotaged by the lib goverment
No.19587
>>19586Although realistically the opposite will happen
No.19588
>>19563This, the centrist libs in the capital banned the antifascist ressistance ,although it makes no sense for the new order to win
No.19593
>>16960The Matrix isn't communist.
Children of Men is not communist, it is just anti-immigration and anti-fascism. Its antifa the movie.
Robocop just criticizes the police and privatization but not capitalism.
Pirates of the Caribbean is libertarian hogwash
Star Wars is pro imperialist and pro capitalism.
No.19595
Star Trek: First Contact
No.19808
>>19593>Children of Men is anti-immigrationHow? It's literally pro open borders.
No.19811
>>19593>Star Wars is pro imperialist and pro capitalismLOL the entire plot of the original series is the struggle against a fascistic empire and the scumminess of merchants is also displayed. The Ewoks are literally based off the Viet Cong. The prequels are specifically detailing the fall of republican democracy into fascism and referring to the United States, Rome and Nazi Germany as their inspiration for this. See the Star Wars thread
>>2737>Pirates of the Caribbean is libertarian Fucking how, the story isn't about free trade or some shit, the true antagonist of the 2nd and 3rd films is a British Imperialist Lord that seeks to control the sea literally to boost the British Empire. Jack Sparrow is merely a man hat, after having saved slaves from a slave as a youth, decided to live a life of freedom, living and enjoying life, going and doing whatever he wanted. That's more anarchist than anything you're saying.
>Robocop The entire film exposes corporations and so capitalism as being filthy hypocritical and selfish, and this is further seen in the satirical advertisements that are shown, the second film expands on it even more.
No.19812
>>19811>the true antagonist of the 2nd and 3rd films is a British Imperialist Lord that seeks to control the sea literally to boost the British Empire.His role has more to do with being a merchant than a lord (which IIRC was only a recently attained status by the time of the movies), and given the time period (1720s, i.e. post English Revolution) he seems more like a bourgeois who just has the title.
> Jack Sparrow is merely a man hat, after having saved slaves from a slave as a youth, decided to live a life of freedomThe scene where it's revealed he freed slaves was deleted and not necessarily canon. It also strongly implies that freeing slaves is what got him branded a pirate, forcing him into that life rather than causing him to choose it. The scene was cut for removing a lot of the moral ambiguity from his character and making him less interesting.
No.19814
>>19811Yes these films acknowledge capitalism, imperialism, etc as the big bad however, they never show a world where it is overcome. At least the implication here is that it's inevitable.
No.19816
>>19812>more like a bourgeois who just has the titleTrue, my point is that regardless he's not a positive figure and is a representation of capitalism and colonialism.
>slaver scene cut It's still heavily implied (100 souls sacrificed in return for 100 souls saved) and Jack is implied to have known he'd be forced into piracy by his action and chose it willingly.
>>19814 True, but I'm not OP, I merely pointed out that calling these films pro-capitalist or imperialist is bullshit.
No.19822
>>16960>Once Upon a Time in the WestVery red film. The screenplay was cowritten by a Marxist.
All the Sergio Leone westerns are dripping with anti-capitalism, but this one is the best film, and the most political.
No.19895
>>19894That's more a post to go on the Dindu Nuffin thread
>>6555 No.22205
>>19593The Matrix is an anarchist critique of Marxism-Leninism.
Humans live in a communist society, ruled over by a benevolent machine party-state. The law of value is abolished, the humans contribute according to their ability (body heat and electricity) and receive according to their need (nutrients + the simulated dreamworld). It's outright stated that only reason the Matrix isn't a paradise is that the human mind wouldn't accept a perfect world, so they had to make it 90s-styled instead.
The human protagonists are individualist anarchists who are nonetheless discontented with the hierarchical machine-state, and the sequels are all about them trying to set up their own autonomous commune-city and survive the machines trying to Kronstadt them.
No.22233
>>19593George Lucas literally said that the Empire is America in the 60s-70s.
No.22251
La dolce vita
No.29274
>>29271>scarfaceYeah. Dude is a criminal that gets dumped by Fidel and immediately shows that he's a hypercapitalist psycho who's willing to deal drugs and murder people for a big mansion and a decadent lifestyle.
Also Sosa is literally a glowie-backed international drug lord who conspired with his "friend from Washington" to kill a dude who was planning to tell the world about the operation.
No.29275
oh man, i always have some good examples but i forget :(
guys please keep the thread until 2024 until i find some plox
No.29590
>>29534>Saw V explicitly shits on capitalist bitches as any socialist would have easily passed the tests with easecould you explain? i have not seen it
what's the test exactly
No.29591
>>29590>could you explain? i have not seen iteach test could have been solved with no deaths /minimal maiming. Will post some clips before describing
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4MtXqM1moLo>1st test required a key to unlock their collars in time or they would be decapitated, with each person leashed to one another>instead of thinking of sharing/testing one the keys, each fumbles for their own key directly in front of themKinda obvious, would probably have tested/asked/given a key to see if it fit any other collar
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8BgcozieWuE>2nd test required them to find 3 keys to gain access to 3 separate areas which would protect them from the room's bombs. For reason they dont think they can share these areas that can easily more than 1 person and instead immediately betray each otherTbh this one was really obvious
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=FnmbPDYmz0E&listen=false>3rd test required persons to electrocute themselves to connect power to gain access to the next room before current room blows up. u can guess what happenshttps://invidious.rhyshl.live/watch?v=BorDZlwWZb0>final test required many pints of blood via hand thru circular saw blade. theres 2 person instead of the 5 or so…probably the most clever film of the franchise, not my favorite however.
>>29589sauce? looks interesting as fuk
No.29600
>>29591you know what, this saw series can also be a commentary on "muh nature argument"
like people don't turn into barbarous savages just because, being put in conditions like these where resources are limited like capitalism
i would be so dead if i was in saw 5, riddles and math are not my strong suit
i hated all folk stories with it, just smarmy ass stuff
>sauce? looks interesting as fukThor Love & Thunder, believe it or not, it's the same movie
Taika drops in some redpilled stuff between the jokes
The last Thor had stuff about imperialism and how empires are built on blood and then covered up in nice sounding fairy tales
No.29601
>>29534White maoist hands typed this post.
No.29602
>>29601we should start a website like that
leftypolreviews
not sure what we would do tho
No.29610
>>29601nope am black, also not well read enough about maoism to kno whatever the fuck that entails, tho i do like seein hwite cunts put in cages getting the fuck getting tortured out em
>>29602do it bitch, i like to semi shit post
>>29600>can also be a commentary on "muh nature argument">like people don't turn into barbarous savages just because, being put in conditions like these where resources are limited like capitalism Yep actually thought that once about some of the absurd situations applied to the contestants and alot of circumstances we find ourselves in are purely arbitrary. Nice read,anon thanks for the sauce too
No.30386
>>18188The whole plot of the movie is that the rich kid stops a revolution by mediating between the "heart and the hands"
I'd consider it hard core liberal at most
No.31567
>>31565zombie lake is actually z movie tb h, but the difference is little
No.38612
>>17000oh damn they actually hung the kid. no deus ex machina
No.38681
>almost any social critique
<wow! communism
I disagree.
No.38682
>>16960evangelion
humanity reaches apotheosis in a technological singularity
No.38686
>>38682Same argument as "The Borg are communism!"
No.38687
>>38686They were in their initial appearance, before they introduced dumb shit like borg queen and made them generic evil alien swarm.
No.38689
>>38687No, they really weren't. That is literally a right-wing narrative about "le gommie hivemind"
No.38741
>>38689Collective decision-making is good actually.
No.38744
>>38743I dont remember Matrix working like that. But in all seriousness, if there was an actual option to join a cyborg hive-mind, I would take it, why not?
No.38747
>>18188Thea von Harbou, author of the novel and wife of Fritz Lang, later worked for the Nazis and wrote a bunch of propaganda films for them. The extent to which she was really a Nazi gets disputed, but I'm not trying tl dispute it. The thesis of the film, how the heart must unite the mind with the muscle, seems pretty clearly more fascist than communist. It's not about the destruction of class, but the process of getting classes to work towards a common aim.
No.38748
>>38689You're correct, but that's what it was. The Borg were written near the end of the cold war, and they were a metaphor for the soviets. You can find TNG writers talking about it. The fact that Star Trek as a franchise has earlier positive portrayals of collectivism doesn't change this.
No.38756
>>38748The borg are (or were) about consumerism and yuppie culture.
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