/hobby/ - Hobby

I don't understand, is this some concrete project or are you just looking for penpals?

>>37726
There was a guy who made a zine that posted on here often but then he shut down because of lack of interest/support. I remember him saying he was cancelling the project on here but the site is still up albeit with a security warning.

You're not going to half-assedly make a project work which seems like how you're approaching it. Assume you will have to be the one doing 100% of the work and you're only going to have any hope of getting anyone else on board when you have something substantial to so for it. Even then odds are you won't be able to count on anyone else. So assume you'll have to do 100% the whole way.

>>37728
>This isn't a social club, or a chat.
Can't know what it really is until we start doing it.

>>37730
You're never going to have a project. There is no we here. This is an anonymous messageboard.

>>37729
>You're not going to half-assedly make a project work which seems like how you're approaching it.
Why does it seem like that? I have many ideas, as I'm sure others do too, hopefully we can help one another figure out which ones are worthwhile.
>Assume you will have to be the one doing 100% of the work and you're only going to have any hope of getting anyone else on board when you have something substantial to so for it.
I disagree. I think people are reluctant to join projects that aren't "theirs", in which they have no personal stake/input. By getting people in from the start, you're more likely to have people help. At least that's my IRL experience, I'm seeing whether it translates to the Internet.

>>37730
In my experience, just wanting to do something is not enough, and will end up as a social club at best. It's much easier to get people to join a concrete effort. Especially if you can provide proof that you have already exerted some effort in it.

>>37731
Counterexample: >>>/siberia/466009

>>37731
>There is no we here. This is an anonymous messageboard.
Well that's the point of the thread: to create a "we" and start doing things. If that's not for you, that's cool too. I don't expect hundreds of people, a handful is enough to keep a project going.

>>37732
>I disagree. I think people are reluctant to join projects that aren't "theirs", in which they have no personal stake/input. By getting people in from the start, you're more likely to have people help. At least that's my IRL experience, I'm seeing whether it translates to the Internet.
What is your IRL experience? What project did you finish.

>>37733
>Counterexample: >>>/siberia/466009
Lol I was about to mention that as a joke as well.

>>37734
>Well that's the point of the thread: to create a "we" and start doing things. If that's not for you, that's cool too. I don't expect hundreds of people, a handful is enough to keep a project going.
I'm not trying to rain on your parade I'm just telling you what I've seen on this website many times. A guy even started a thread to make agitprop before and even offered to put up 1000s of dollars out of his own pocket to pay people to help and it went no where. I've seen 100s or 1000s of these projects go nowhere online. Most mod projects never get finished. Most indie game projects go nowhere.

But anyways best of luck to you.

>>37733
>just wanting to do something is not enough, and will end up as a social club at best.
It's not enough, but that's how it starts, by people wanting to do things. No wizard is gonna come around, knock on your door and kickstart your adventure. People have to move themselves.
>It's much easier to get people to join a concrete effort.
Then why did most of the "concrete efforts" on this website fail?
>Especially if you can provide proof that you have already exerted some effort in it.
>Counterexample: >>>/siberia/466009
Don't see many people jumping on board.

>>37735
>What is your IRL experience? What project did you finish.
Built a community house.
>A guy even started a thread to make agitprop before and even offered to put up 1000s of dollars out of his own pocket to pay people to help and it went no where.
Nobody wants to take orders and be told what to do in someone else's project, money or no money. The point is to create a group willing to do things and then decide on a project together, involving everyone from square 1.

>>37735
It's not a joke.

>>37738
>Built a community house.
That's cool. Why don't you build another isntead of wasting your time with this shit? There's already a zine as I pointed out. Why don't you see if you can revive that instead:
>>37729

>>37739
You're right, it's the most valiant effort you could expect from leftypol. A couple of shitpost lesbian fanfics collected into a pdf.

>>37740
>Why don't you see if you can revive that instead:
For the same reason no one else is.
>>37741
Not every person who sees this thread has to be into it, but I'm sure there will be some. I'm in no rush, I can wait days, weeks.

Why can't we all just talk here?

>>37726
if leftypol makes a commune i will join it

>>37745
Because it's not about "talking", hence the email communication. Email is not conducive to chatting or shitposting. Having a thread for it will devolve into namecalling, "criticism" from people who don't do anything anyway, shitposting, and so on.

You seem to think this is my first attempt at starting a project on /leftypol/. It isn't. I tried having conversations about the project on the board and running it from there, it didn't work. Look at New Multitude, which was also organised on the board, it failed.

I want to try something different. Theory + action = praxis. I think that organising/doing a project or projects in a different way will work better. Only way to see if I am right is to try it.

We can have an internal wiki or a simple webpage as a knowledgebase or to collate info, but that should happen as the need arises. We need to start with baby steps, and the first step is to make contact with people who want to do stuff. Maybe we start off doing one thing, and then in the planning stages someone has an epiphany and we end up doing something else. If I start something alone, I have no idea whether it will gain traction or not, and then if it doesn't that's time wasted.

Getting 5-6 people together from the start, deciding together what to do and then doing it has much better chances of keeping people involved. And then others will be more likely to join a project that has several people working on it already.

use the side boards and lurk more
>website
make a thread on /tech/
>zine
>>>/draw/2809
>game (boardgame, video game)
>>>/games/290
>>>/games/3729
>new theory
>>>/edu/
>satire
>podcast
>videos
make a thread on this board

>>37748
No.

That's another issue, you want to control everything. Every project has to be under janny "supervision", and then if jannies don't like it, they'll just delete the thread. Then what?

This thread is the perfect example why I don't want to discuss it here. There's been 15 replies.
>why don't you do this
>why don't you do that
>make a thread here
>anything except moving your ass
All these "ideas" and not a single person actually said they want to get involved. What's the point if I'm gonna spend most of my time "debooonking" your "criticism". It's tiresome and it is distracting.

I get it. You want to just sit in your chair and "comment" on other people's work. You get an endorphin boost all the same. Laziness is a disease, I'm not gonna help yours become more advanced. That's sort of the whole point of this. I'm not here to enable anyone's laziness and I sure as fuck am not gonna sit in some chat and indulge people talking about a show they watched, listen to half-assed opinions, or indulge people's manic essays.

Besides, there's a Matrix chat link on top of every page, so a precedent has been set. You can't tell me to discuss shit here when people are encouraged to join a chat room and waste time with parasocial relationship.
>oooh, let's be internet friends
Fuck that.

>>37749
dude just use the proper place to start a discussion about doing something if you really wanna do it
this thread doesn't have any real content, just your vague desire to create anything in general

>>37750
>dude just use the proper place to start a discussion
This wasn't supposed to be a discussion, you made it into one. Cause that's all users here seem to want to do, endlessly discuss things.
>about doing something if you really wanna do it
I do a bunch of IRL stuff, but then I come home and on the internet I just consume content. It feels weird and I don't like it.
>this thread doesn't have any real content,
Here's a temp email people can email. I cannot respond from it, but it can receive: [email protected]
>muh content
Thanks for proving my point. You wanna sit there and have a stream of content flow in front of you. No, I will not spoonfeed you "content". I would be happy to create something with you, though.
>just your vague desire to create anything in general
>vague desire
I have several things I have going. But this isn't about me, or any one person. That's the point you refuse to understand. I don't want people to help me with "my" project, I want to find people who want to do something together. Do you understand the difference?

>>37751
is being a condescending and presumptuous prick while never actually doing anything you say you want to do getting off your ass?

>>37759
>continues to prove my point
Look how quickly you resorted to namecalling after I rejected your suggestion. Why should I assume that anyone commenting is doing it in good faith? That's why I didn't say "Hey, give me ideas where to post" but said "contact me ane we start from there".

Here's another project that was discussed.on the board that died: >>>/edu/13769

>>37762
show me a /leftypol/ one that is still active today.

I hope this goes well, anon. But realistically what you want to do here is find another leftist space that is more appropriate for this kind of project building/development or whatever this is. Wanting to "do something" is commendable but this seems like you're just outgrowing imageboard """ culture """" so you need to find somewhere else to take this energy that will be more adequately produce worthwhile results.

>>37766 (me)
Tldr touch some grass anon, stop trying to fit everything into an imageboard when it doesn't fit

>>37764
Leftypol.org
wiki.leftypol.org (predates leftypol.org BTW)
New Multitude

If someone wants to pay for hosting for something like a Minecraft server, I can set it up and manage it, and create a subdomain for it, eg minetest.leftypol.org
>>37749
>That's another issue, you want to control everything. Every project has to be under janny "supervision", and then if jannies don't like it, they'll just delete the thread. Then what?
Which project has been closed down? Most of the projects are managed by jannies because no one else will manage them. Do you think I want to invest even more time into doing sysadmin things?

>>37767
I don't know any other leftist spaces online, because as I said I do a bunch of stuff IRL. I phonepost all the time (cause I'm never home and if I am, I'm in bed or on the couch, reading), and I haven't turned on my computer in like two months. If I turn it on, I wanna do something creative, website, zine, music, videos, whatever. I'm tired of consuming online content, be it video games, videos, "memes", imageboards, and I hoped there were people in the same boat as me here.

[email protected] this will be active until I delete it.

>>37768
>Leftypol.org
That's cause those who made it destroyed bunkerchan. Are you gonna count the chan.neets also?
>wiki.leftypol.org (predates leftypol.org BTW)
How many active editors? Is it publicly editable? How many new articles per week?
>New Multitude
Domain expired. Doesn't exist any more.

>If someone wants to pay for hosting for something like a Minecraft server,
I specifically said I want to create, not consume. That is why a videogame server is not on the list of possible things in the OP. Especially not minecraft, might as well make an online heroin fanclub. Minecraft is a time-sink addiction, making you think you're doing something productive cause you get an endorphin boost (just like those cookie-clickers, numbers go up!). I played Minecraft once in my life, some 10 years ago. I built a hut and before I knew it it was dark and 6 hours had passed. Never touched that evil shit again.

I only went ahead and bloody did it. There's gonna be a new magazine up soon. Hosting, domain, webpage, name/logo, all that is sorted.

I want to have a few articles up before I start promoting it. I collected 3, now I'm editing/polishing them. But I want to have around 6 or so before I make it public (sometime in December).

If any of you have articles you want to write/publish, send them to: inat @ disroot [dot] org (that is also my xmpp username)

Covering topics like: politics/geopolitics, environment, culture, society/people, sports/games, tech, satire/parody of (neo)liberals. Complex topics and themes are welcome, they just have to be written accessibly, meaning no academic lingo the average person wouldn't understand. Articles can be provocative, I'm not bothering with SEO or web crawlers, so provocative = engagement. Articles should be focused, have a good flow, and the ones that aren't opinion/personal experience should have sources. No worries, I'm here to help with all that.

Length can be anything, but aim for about 1000-1500 words (about 2-3 A4) pages. Shorter is fine too. If you have something much longer, consider breaking it up into parts.

>>37853
exciting. best of luck to you OP!

Why not start a substack newsletter? You can put a bunch of different writers under one thing people subscribe to. An actual way to get traffic.

>>37871
>Why not start a substack newsletter?
Because fuck substack.
https://substack.com/about
>monetization made easy!
It costs like €5/mo. for a website. I'm not looking to make money out of this project. Donations will be welcome, but they will be used to pay writers and/or pay for a print version of the magazine (if we get to that point). It is also more fun to make something and to be independent.

Every time I click on a substack link I am greeted by the "subscribe now pls, or continue reading" popup. Shit like that goes against my principles.

>>37872
I wasn't suggesting it so you can make money, I was suggesting it because I suspect everyone is going to forget about a specific niche use website after a single visit, unless stuff like New Multitude gets traffic and I'm just clueless
>Every time I click on a substack link I am greeted by the "subscribe now pls, or continue reading" popup. Shit like that goes against my principles.
Kek it is pretty annoying but at least it only asks you once per visit, and it doesn't pester you into making an account. Really pisses me off that Medium switched over to the account begging format. Even my fucking graphics card wants me to have an account nowadays.

>>37873
I remember moonofalabama just fine, for example. Also, it's a pretty catchy name and a simple domain (I think), so it should be easy to remember.

Should there be comments under articles? Either no account and subject to mod approval, or a pseudonymous account (just user/password). Anything else might result in a shitpost-y atmosphere like you see under news articles.

An alternative is a "letters" section where people can send in their comments to articles, both long-form and short-form, like in Private Eye magazine. The benefit of that is that no real-time moderation of comments would be necessary. Drawback is that it would be slow and perhaps not everyone who'd want to comment would comment.

2nd alternative is not having comments at all, and relying on discussion taking place on forums, chans, subreddits, lemmy communities, when people post a link to it. The drawback of this is that not everyone would see everyone else's comments, there would be no feedback to the author/regular readers.

3rd alternative is the magazine having a dedicated community on reddit (feels wrong) or a reddit clone like lemmygrad. Or maybe a dedicated mastodon/pleroma channel, and comments could be loaded under the article via ActivityPub, although that would require people having a mastodon or pleroma account. But that could be one way of drawing in readers and make it easier for people to share articles.

Does anyone still use RSS readers? Should there be an RSS feed?

>>37928
i use rss feed for news websites

>>37929
RSS is a good way to notify of new articles. there's also a bulletin section, with links to other sites/magazines, kind of what news anon does. so that's two RSS feeds, one for original articles, one for links to news.

Things are progressing nicely. Three articles edited and ready to go. I expect the quality of articles will also improve as time goes on. Looks like everything will be ready before Christmas.

Can mods delete this thread please?

>>38070
why

>>38071
Because I am unable to delete the OP, only posts.