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 No.6750[View All]

what do you guys think of H.P lovecraft ?
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 No.9288

>>9285
I mean Gamma Ray Bursts can destroy our planet whenever and we have no proof time can’t just randomly stop, so….

 No.9289

Various people have said that Lovecraft expressed a thorough-going materialism either throughout or in his later works. I'm pretty this "materialism" is of the naturalist sort.
Recently, his work eventually inspired the philosophy of "speculative realism"- imagining the world as autonomous from human comprehension- which the influence is obvious. I would say that it's a trend that has appeared as the social sciences have increasingly begun to realise the slow pace of its predictive power. And, more specifically, in relation to some British universities' embrace of continental philosophy and radical, para-academic aesthetics.
Williams S. Burroughs underwent a similar treatment because of Nick Land in the 80-90s; and, what do you know; Lovecraft was a big inspiration for him as well.

 No.9355

Good entertainer, nothing more than that.

 No.9356

>>9289
>Recently, his work eventually inspired the philosophy of "speculative realism"- imagining the world as autonomous from human comprehension- which the influence is obvious.
But that idea is not rare at all, you can find it through the history of philosophy. IMO Baudrillard's "objective irony" (objects play with us, not we with them) is a far more interesting spin on the idea than speculative realism. As for fiction you could as well cite Philip Dick as an influence for example.

 No.9358

dont much about lovecraft but i found a 8bit rpg for like 3 dollars on steam called cthulu saves the world and it was amusing for a bit

 No.9362

>>9358
Lovecraft and video games is a pretty good mix in theory, but not many do it well because once you figure out how the game's systems work it loses all of that crushing horror. Take Amnesia for example - it quickly becomes a simple stealth game with resource management.
A proper Lovecraft game would constantly tweak its systems just to fuck with your sense of what's going to happen. And/or would have the systems so complex and opaque that the player can never figure out how things really interact with each other. Then horror would be something more than just cheap decoration.

 No.9363

>>9362
i agree 100% but i was talking about a 3 dollar 8 bit rpg that was goofy so i didnt have super high expectations

 No.11884

What do you guys think of h bomber guys video on him?
https://youtu.be/l8u8wZ0WvxI

 No.11888

>>11884
>HPlovercraft in te 21 century is really about me.
Video turns into personal sex idpol after a few minutes. I thought I would get interesting stuff about the HPloveccratf fantasy world, but it turns out it is about boring personal stuff. I think the video might be trying to tell me homophobes are fish people. I probably did not understand that the way it was meant. It is definitely trying to spoil the fun about HPs cool monsters. If you think it is about something else , you did not grow up, you grew sour.

 No.11895

>>11888
>I think the video might be trying to tell me homophobes are fish people.
&ltI probably did not understand that the way it was meant.
Audibly keked

 No.11904

>>6750
I hear he had a redemption arc at the end of his life, but I am not sure.

 No.11917

nigger cat lmaoo

 No.11918

According to porkypedia:
>After leaving New York, he moved to an apartment at 10 Barnes Street near Brown University with his surviving aunt; a few years later, they moved to a slightly less expensive place at 65 Prospect Street. As a result of the Great Depression, he shifted towards socialism, decrying both his prior beliefs and the rising tide of fascism.[78] He supported Franklin D. Roosevelt, but he thought that the New Deal was not sufficiently leftist.[79]

 No.11934

>>11904
He shifted significantly to the left in the last 6 years of his life, disowning his reactionary past and basically becoming a socialist. I recommend reading his personal letters, it's fascinating watching how his views change, and how disillusioned and disgusted he becomes with the views of his younger self.

 No.11942

>>11904
He shat on The New Deal for trying to save the doomed system of capitalism and advocate for revolutionary actions. He was only a reactionary due to his dysfunctional upbringing of a NEET in hyper conservative New England.
Similar to how Che used to be white supremacist until he actually lived alongside actual working class people and realized the “racial divide” of LatAm is completely made up by the ruling oligarchs to mimic to colonial period.

 No.11989

>>6785
the insane produce the best art, its why reactionary nineteenth century Russians made some of the best literature

 No.19023

And interesting opinion of his writing
https://archive.is/KcbKP

 No.19024

whose fucking hobby is H.P lovecraft

 No.19025

I like his cat.

 No.19026

>>19024
People who like weird eldritch stuff? SCP used to be really into him before they devolved into gay RP.

 No.19038

wholesome person

 No.19039

>>6755
mo u new york is poopoo lands

 No.21123

HP Lovecraft - Little Dark Age

 No.21139

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>>9362
>have the systems so complex and opaque that the player can never figure out how things really interact with each other.
From what I understand/have been told, 'cultist simulator' tries to do this, with layers of mystique and obfuscation on what the mechanics actually are. I can't confirm myself though since something about seeing playing cards in a video game immediately makes me tune out.

 No.21140

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>>21139
>>9362
>A proper Lovecraft game would constantly tweak its systems just to fuck with your sense of what's going to happen
Sounds like the first time you play Doki Doki Literature Club TBH

 No.21156

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His works contain explicit references to ancient islamic texts, some say cosmic horror is a pessimistic inversion of sufist cosmology. Some of his stories, like the nameless city, is a direct reference to a story contained within the quran. Here are some direct quotes:
>At one time I formed a juvenile collection of Oriental pottery and objets d’art, announcing myself as a devout Mohammedan and assuming the pseudonym of “Abdul Alhazred” – which you will recognise as the author of that mythical Necronomicon which I drag into various of my tales […]. (letter to Edwin Baird, February 3, 1924)
>The absurdity of the myth I was called upon to accept and the sombre greyness of the whole faith compared with the Eastern magnificence of Mahometanism, made me de-finitely agnostic […].10
You can read more here:
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272537419_The_Darker_Islam_within_the_American_Gothic_Sufi_Motifs_in_the_Stories_of_HP_Lovecraft

https://github.com/punchmonster/Lovecraft-Letters/blob/master/19370207-Catherine-L-Moore.md

I remembered from that the biography of Lovecraft included that in his homeschooling, he was able to read the thousand and one nights, developing an love for eastern culture, even adopting an arabic name (this of course is when he is a child).

 No.21554

If you read to the end, it's a bit like in a story, I think it's At The Mountains of Madness,. Where they discover a horror in a familiar but totally incongruous form given the setting a creature in the form of a New York subway train.
http://opr.news/7c334f66211124en_gb?link=1&client=opera

>Recently, his work eventually inspired the philosophy of "speculative realism"- imagining the world as autonomous from human comprehension- which the influence is obvious.

>But that idea is not rare at all, you can find it through the history of philosophy. IMO Baudrillard's "objective irony" (objects play with us, not we with them) is a far more interesting spin on the idea than speculative realism. As for fiction you could as well cite Philip Dick as an influence for example.
Yea, and Islamic philosophy. The example from Islamic philosophy that Graham Harman gives a lot is the question of what it's like for fire to burn cotton.

 No.21593

>>21123
>blocked by Sony Pictures
Anyone have it downloaded? My file got corrupted.

 No.21594

I found In the Mouth of Madness to be a pretty surreal Lovecraftian film that still made sense, despite the eldritch existential horror.

 No.21601

>>6750
the cat thing outs him has a racist I think

 No.21606

>>21601
he used to be a racist until he matured

 No.21674

>>21156
I think Lovecraft had a huge love for both middle eastern and East Asian culture. In many stories he has referenced both cultures as well as making a story envisioning a rise of East Asia specifically China even during his racist period. Later on he was noted in many of his private letters to praise China as being a very traditionalist and cultured country.
>>21606
More correctly he got laid with a Jewish lady which forced him to socialize and drop the schizophrenia.

 No.23101

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Something that I've noticed is that Lovecraft can often be unintentionally funny. Pic related is a good example

 No.23102

>>23101
A lot of his stories were made to be funny intentionally. Like the reanimator series, some even argue that his essay on cats vs dogs was also made in jess. It’s also a big part in his literary frustration that led to some of his work getting shelved and only saw the light of day after his death. For instance the shadow over innsmouth was an angry shitpost he made when he realized his grandpa was welsh.

 No.23104

>>23102
>literally a 1930s DnD Dungeon-master/troll but as a writer
lmao

 No.23108

I read a small collection of some of his shorter work recently and they were generally entertaining but there was one where the protagonist wanted to escape some evil spirit that torture the dead by… killing himself??

 No.23112

He was a poltard writing fan fiction.

 No.23130

>>9289

It isn't at all and he only really expressed in letters toward the end of his life not really in his works

>I cannot accept your point about natural reluctance "to destroy the system which sustains us", because no rational reformer wants to destroy any system which sustains any honest worker. As I see it, your mistake lies in assuming that it is the dying plutocratic set-up which sustains you—a very basic & crucial mistake, when one comes to think of it. Actually nothing could be further from the truth. So far as your own individual case is concerned—if I judge correctly, you are an expert in certain forms of finance & accountancy & administration, whereby your services are important in any enterprise involving the receipt, disbursement, exchange, or comparison of commodities, or the maintenance of complex industrial or administrative operations. Now do you suppose that such services are any less necessary, or that they would be less reasonably rewarded, in a government-controlled or government-owned enterprise than in a private profit-grabbing scheme? What difference would it make to you whether your just return for high-grade mental work came from the American government or from a courteous private financier? The only losers in a move towards rationalisation would be the dividend-drawers who now get something for nothing, & the few top executives whose present salaries are disproportionately padded beyond all relationship to the extent of their actual services. Would such a rationalisation form an "overthrowing of the system which provides you livelihood"? I can't see that it would. I can't see that socialism would hurt anybody who is willing to work & who expects a just return from the work he performs—including guarantees of proper security in old age & in times of necessary unemployment or disability. Then, of course, it must be remembered that the moderate road avoids even the principal minor ills of readjustment. Communism would mean some rather disconcerting bumps—but there is nothing of destruction or violent dislocation in the orderly progressivism whose various stages are represented by the New Deal, the La Follettes, & Norman Thomas.


>But the real joke of course is, that all this isn't a matter of choice anyhow! Capitalism is dying from internal as well as external causes, & its own leaders & beneficiaries are less & less able to kid themselves. I'm no economist, but from recent reading I've been able to form a rough picture of the dilemma—the need to restrict consumers' goods & to pile up a needless plethora of producing equipment in order to maintain the irrational surplus called profit—which has caused orthodox economists like Hayek & Robbins to admit that only starvation wages & artificial scarcity could stabilize the profit system in future & avert increasing cyclical depressions of utterly destructive scope. Laissez-faire capitalism is dead—make no mistake about that. The only avenue of survival for plutocracy is a military & emotional fascism whereby millions of persons will be withdrawn from the industrial arena & placed on a dole or in concentration-camps with high-sounding patriotic names. That or socialism—take your choice. In the long run it won't be the New Deal but the mere facts of existence which will be recognised as the real & inevitable slayer of Hooverism. Nobody is going to "destroy the system"—for it has been destroying itself ever since it evolved out of the old agrarian-handicraft economy a century & a half ago.


>All this from an antiquated mummy who was on the other side until 1931! Well—I can better understand the inert blindness & defiant ignorance of the reactionaries from having been one of them. I know how smugly ignorant I was—wrapped up in the arts, the natural (not social) sciences, the externals of history & antiquarianism, the abstract academic phases of philosophy, & so on—all the one-sided standard lore to which, according to the traditions of the dying order, a liberal education was limited. God! the things that were left out—the inside facts of history, the rational interpretation of periodic social crises, the foundations of economics & sociology, the actual state of the world today … & above all, the habit of applying disinterested reason to problems hitherto approached only with traditional genuflections. Flag-waving, & callous shoulder-shrugs! All this comes up with the humiliating force through an incident of a few days ago—when young Conover, having established contact with Henneberger, the ex-owner of WT, obtained from the latter a long epistle which I wrote Edwin Baird on Feby. 3, 1924, in response to a request for biographical & personal data. Little Willis asked permission to publish the text in his combined SFC-Fantasy, & I began looking the thing over to see what it was like—for I had not the least recollection of ever having penned it. Well …. I managed to get through, after about 10 closely typed pages of egotistical reminiscences & showings-off & expressions of opinion about mankind & the universe. I did not faint—but I looked around for a 1924 photograph of myself to burn, spit on, or stick pins in! Holy Hades—was I that much of a dub at 33 … only 13 years ago? There was no getting out of it—I really had thrown all that haughty, complacent, snonbish, self-centered, intolerant bull, & at a mature age when anybody but a perfect damned fool would have known better! That earlier illness had kept me in seclusion, limited my knowledge of the world, & given me something of the fatuous effusiveness of a belated adolescent when I finally was able to get out more around 1920, is hardly much of an excuse. Well—there was nothing to be done ….. except to rush a note back to Conover & tell him I'd dismember him & run the fragments through a sausage-grinder if he ever thought of printing such a thing! The only consolation lay in the reflection that I had matured a bit since '24. It's hard to have done all one's growing up since 33—but that's a damn sight better than not growing up at all. Here's hoping that Henneberger (quite a get-rich-quick Wallingford in his way) won't try to blacken me with the letter!


I think its quite clear from the phraseology that he was a Marxist or at least a SocDem that had a strong familiarity with Marx by the end of his life and was essentially arguing for the Soviet model to be applied in the US, he was also switched on enough to anticipate neoliberalism, its though leaders and offer a proto-critique.

 No.24228

>>23112
>imagine pigeonholing everything into your internet-centered world-view
Touch grass

 No.24229

>>23102
>the shadow over innsmouth was an angry shitpost he made when he realized his grandpa was welsh.
On the subject there's a really strange fanfic of NGE/innsmouth that keeps close to the 2 works' styles.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7089598/1/Rebuild-of-Fear

 No.24230

>>21123
>>21593
Tor can be a real help

 No.24233

>>23101
Funny pulp stories are the best. Most of the concepts introduced were already incredibly ridiculous on their own. He should’ve embraced it fully.
>>23130
He also got into a shouting match with both of his aunts over his support for FDR. It’s really a huge shame that he died at the cusp of radicalization.

 No.24235

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 No.24812

>>24235
Thanks Shay, cool screenshot

 No.26145

>>6750
He was a great writer, but also a massive racist and all-around elitist. Which actually makes his writing better.

If you accept "The Death of the Author" and the idea that the protagonist of a story isn't necessarily supposed to be a moral exemplar or even a good person, you get a lot of books where the protagonists are racist, upper-class dickheads who think they're better than everyone and know everything, only to get their comeuppance when they come up against dark and ancient forces they cannot possibly comprehend and have to face the truth of their own insignificance. That's probably not how Lovecraft intended it, but once again "Death of the Author".

 No.26148

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>>6750
He lived long enough to become based

 No.26149

>>26148
> dead a month later
Did the CIA get him?

 No.26161

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>>26149
Some cancer got him.

 No.26162

>>6761
Hahahaha I forgot it already, Yeah there is that phrase
Such are prejudices.
I didn't know but hell, a spanish haloween special from ¿liberal socdem? ¿just socdem? mexican youtubers

 No.26175

>>26145
>but also a massive racist and all-around elitist.
He was only like that under the care of his abusive aunts. When the money from his grandpa's estate dried up the same time the Great Depression hit he became more and more leftist over time with all the social elitist attitudes being channeled into a very Stalinist high culture appreciation. Him subsequently getting a large circle of supportive and loyal friends helped him get over the whole racism. Especially his wife who's an older jewish lady that took him to New York and fixed his mommy issues.
This then later led to him basically got kicked out of his aunts' house after an argument where he was pro FDR. By the end of his life he was pretty ashamed of his edgy right wing phase and only occasionally talk badly about blacks just to appease his inner cirlce of fans.
Long story short his racism is way overblown. Most of his work about the fear of the unknown is more closely tied with capitalist alienation than anything else.
Fun fact he even had a weeb period in which Lovecraft began to admired all things Chinese and Japanese as 'high culture".


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