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>>2519568Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2521484>>2521482I see we got some Democrat-Republican-Gonzola Thought types here.
>>2521489What's your issue with the OP?
>The Russian ambassador to the US has given Republican Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna the declassified Soviet files on the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the embassy announced on Tuesday.
>>2521492these elite libs are really good at doing color revolutions right? then they should just do it again but here
https://news.gallup.com/poll/696416/americans-favor-spending-cuts-taxes-cut-deficit.aspxdemocrats are literally the only demographic that isn't completely soulless
republicans want cuts to everything but defense kek.
>>2521503thats why im blu no matter who
>>2521505All possible larp aside, I don't think the Republicans are ready for that Pandora's box should they be so foolhardy
>>2521509Liberals are literally like the Rural People's Party, thinly-veiled Nazis with a left-wing aesthetic.
>>2521507what about the pacific northwest? isn't that were all the stormfags were moving to in the 80s and 90s? to create their own rhodesia?
>>2521503>democrats are literally the only demographic that isn't completely soullessClinton: Balkanized Yugoslavia
Obama: Helped Saudis kill millions of Yemenis, expanded drone war
Biden: Gaza, Ukraine, Nordstream 2
vOtE fOR tHe LeSSeR eViL
>>2521513it's like a few thousand people at best
>>2521513Oregon literally started off as a Northern Rhodesia. Even thought it wasn't a slave state, black people weren't allowed to move there.
>>2521503>democrats are literally the only demographic that isn't completely soullessThis post was brought to you by ShareBlue.
>>2521507Unironically I saw some statistics that California was one of the only states in the union where the majority opposed the Iraq war at the time.
>>2521513Those people are completely powerless because the PNW is like 90% urban. Meanwhile wearing the wrong hat in the South will get you lynched. There is zero hope of building leftism in the MAGA-dominated parts of the country.
>>2521516Before Oregon, the entire USA was Rhodesia. And before THAT it was Hispaniola. It's Rhodesia all the way down
>>2521522finally an actual Normal Adult Marxist take from you
>>2521516That was a lot of states back in the day, and a lot in the North too like Indiana having whites only laws in place
>>2521513there are whitenats everywhere but yes they have some presence in the rural eastern PNW and there's even a movement to secede and join Idaho lol, which is where the big whitenat movements are
>>2521526There was a lot of segregation in the North, but Oregon was unique in its total prohibition of black migration of citizens into the state. This began with the Oregon Constitution itself, which was adopted in 1857. The constitution included an exclusion clause, stating that "no black or mulatto person shall be allowed to come, reside, or be within this state." It was essentially a ban on Black migration. In addition to the constitutional provision, Oregon had laws and practices that limited Black residents' rights. For example, the state passed the Black Exclusion Laws which targeted Black individuals trying to move to Oregon, requiring them to leave under threat of violence or forced labor if they remained. These laws were enforced for several decades after statehood, and Black people were actively discouraged or outright barred from settling there. While many northern states had racial discrimination, segregation, or racial prejudice ( in housing, employment, or public accommodations), Oregon's legal stance was notably explicit and harsh. Other northern states may have had de facto segregation or discriminatory practices, but Oregon was among the few to have such a clear, legal prohibition against Black migration. This racial exclusion was only officially repealed in the 1920s.
>>2521528bruh yes I realize Oregon had black exclusion laws but lots of states did lol. many in the north like Ohio and Illinois wouldn't let in black freedmen into the state without letters of approval from White men and a 500$ bond, this isn't any better
>>2521510Russia has neo-nazis. Ukraine has them ruling the country. Big difference.
>>2521550Not at all. All countries have Neo-nazis. In most of them, they are small, LARPing groups. They do not matter.
Ukraine has them elevated in important positions. They have absorbed them in their regular army, giving them modern weapons. They have them running the media etc.
It's not lesser evil vs greater evil; it is evil (Ukraine) vs neutral (Russia).
>inb4 evil = spooks>inb4 'bourgeois geopolitics' >>2521523You only say that because it's a simple concept a baby could learn. All my other opinions are too nuanced for your tiny puny brain
>>2521550There is no currently existing alternative
>>2521554Thank you for voting democrats
honkoid status?
>BARTIROMO: The idea of government owning portions of public companies – this is something that free-market have to get their heads around.
>BESSENT: Maria, there are decisions that the US government makes that we believe are good for society.
what kind of capitalism is this?
>>2521600haha what a slimy piece of shit
>>2521616hitler was not white
>>2521616It all makes sense when you realize that a lot of rightiods are that way just as a mask to hide their various imperfections. It's a psychological yes chad mask. Like it works wonders for asmongold.
>>2521623Germans in general aren’t white, I’ve seen how swarthy those krauts are.
>>2521625I see 8 crackkas, 1 Arab and 3 uyghas
>>2521629true
but hitler was not German either, he was a gypsy
>>2521616>>2521625Damn, whiteness is about to expand to encompass all people with……… uh
all homo sapiens??
>>2521553>All my other opinions are too nuanced for your tiny puny brainSuch as?
>>2521649you're a good (wo)man. Z will win.
>>2521545I mean can you really say Putins Christian nationalist shit isnt at least little Nazi
>>2521657Russian chauvinists think nazism is when you hate russia which is why they happily bankroll russophile far right zionazis in the west and deny people like them or Dugin are fascists (can't be fascist if you like russia!). This is extremely retarded whuch is why they make long ass posts with crazy mental gymnastics to justify themselves.
>>2521672Robin DiAngelo is dead? Who will pay Ibram Kendi now?
>>2521657no they are not nazi
they are cringe nationalists but not nazis
>>2521679means you're gay and trans now
>>2521552bourgeois geopolitics
>>2521668I dont like Kamala either, but wtf is protesting her at this late date going to do? Is she supposed to challenge Trump to mortal kombat or something and eat his spine?
>>2521695she'd probably get a prion disease if she tried eating his spine
>>2521695idk it's funny and letting her profit from speaking tours and book deals and this "loser's campaign" that every failed candidate does is just letting the 2 party system continue. the fact democrats have zero consequences after losing to trump is why they get away with being controlled opposition. holding their feet to the fire is based and cool.
>>2521697Is that not what happened?
>>2521701the phrase is aiding and abetting
>>2521687The Trump Regime made me straight again :)
I have sympathy for black people but fuck spics. transhumanists are also class traitors half the time and they are constantly used by the right to alienate normal people with functioning genitals from the economic left.
Im pro worker, pro taxes, pro union, pro gulag, pro ripping off the quasi jewish (50% white) globalist booj class. How do you debate chuds when they wont stop calling you a transhumanist?
>>2521679>What does this mean?We reached peak woke.
What is FIRE?
>>2521700>holding their feet to the fire is based and cool.That implies her washed up ass has some accountability. Is it funny? Yeah if your bar is The Office or Howie Mandel or something.
>>2521693Jesus Christ, what an evil cunt.
>>2521700>the fact democrats have zero consequences after losing to trump is why they get away with being controlled opposition. I wouldn't say there's zero consequences for them. They have effectively alienated the majority of their base by doing nothing to stop Trump, and once another mass protest movement like 2020 happens they won't be able to co-opt it.
>>2521717>I wouldn't say there's zero consequences for them. They have effectively alienated the majority of their base by doing nothing to stop Trump, and once another mass protest movement like 2020 happens they won't be able to co-opt it.They're still rich and still gatekeep the Left from any kind of political power. I kinda doubt the public will have the short-term memory to hold the Dems responsible for Trump when midterms roll around.
>>2521668I wish they'd just shot her instead
>>2521736
No one here has ever had any more responsibilities than feeding a cat
>>2521731then a blackwash.
>>2521738Step up the meme warfare or lose dude
>>2521668Why does that never happems when Trump or Netanyahu do a speech?
>>2521605 Bro I am a Mexican immigrant and look whiter than him
>>2521736
>just sacrifice this minority group, surely it'll work this time!
glowie
>>2521740The "left" prefers to lose otherwise they would have done what you said a decade ago
>>2521746I said stop mentioning them in messaging. Lgbt already has all the shit they want because libs have spent the last 20 years pandering to them instead of pushing any redistributive policy.
>>2521736They'll find their way back to fucking up everything in midterms or 2028 again.
>>2521746>Irrelevant bourgeoise identity is validActual glowie
>>2521751>>Irrelevant bourgeoise identity is validyou're gonna get banned but now I'm kinda curious have there been any studies on transness and socioeconomic status? is it actually a bourgeois thing, because I know a lotta poor homeless trans people.
>>2521760it's a… no, I'm not gonna get into this
>>2521748They have the support of the grugs but not the support of the actual brains of the operation. It's like trying to rule the country based off of pol memes.
>>2521760I dont know about anything specific like that, but its been widely observable LGBT pop explodes among white western demos. That ones for a multitude of reason imho.
>>2521770it is linked to being petty bourgeois sure, but not in a negative sense, more like "i know what these things are, and choose to identify with it" sort of way, like there's a correlation sure, but it's played up greatly for anti-gay nonsense
>>2521750why would liberals oppose capitalism
>>2521792Yeah, this is the oldest baitpost on the net and honestly should be banned under most regimes of moderation.
>>2521792Its not bait. If the real left wants more votes they have to appeal to the demographics that make up the working class. That means adopting the aesthetics and values of the main constituency. Does that mean be homophobic? No. Imagine you are a straight white dude who works as a welder. All your friends are straight white dudes. You are voting on limited information because your life is work, go home, drink a beer. Do you vote for the party thats most like you or the one that cant stop talking about shoving stuff up your ass?
They're calling her WARía GLOWrina MaCHUDo
Nobel Peace Prize winner supports Israel’s genocide & Trump’s war on Venezuela
The 2025 Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded to María Corina Machado, a far-right coup leader in Venezuela who has been funded by the US government for decades. She has vowed to privatize Venezuela's oil and give it to US corporations. "We are going to privatize all our industry", she told Donald Trump Jr. "American companies … are going to make a lot of money", she promised.
Machado has openly called for the US military to invade Venezuela, in order to overthrow the revolutionary Chavista government of President Nicolás Maduro.
She is at the heart of the war that Donald Trump has waged on Venezuela. Machado has endorsed the US military’s extrajudicial executions of Venezuelans in boats in international waters, echoing the Trump administration’s unsubstantiated, evidence-free claims that it is supposedly killing “drug traffickers”.
Machado also supports the illegal, unilateral US sanctions that have killed hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans.
Likewise, Machado has expressed staunch support for Israel as it carried out genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza.
Nobel Peace Prize for war criminals
The fact that a pro-war, far-right coup-plotter like Machado was given a Nobel Peace Prize demonstrates how extremely hypocritical the award is.
This hypocrisy is far from new.
US imperial planner Henry Kissinger was given a so-called Nobel Peace Prize in 1973, despite the fact that he was one of the worst war criminals in modern history, with the blood of millions of victims on his hands, in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Bangladesh, Chile, and beyond.
Former US President Barack Obama also won a so-called Nobel Peace Prize in 2009. His administration then went on to wage nonstop war. Obama bombed seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen.
This is by no means the first time that the Norwegian Nobel Committee has been hypocritical. But giving the prize to María Corina Machado is especially outrageous, because it comes precisely at a moment when, one, she has been supporting Israel’s genocide in Gaza; and two, she is working with Donald Trump to wage war and use violence to try to overthrow Venezuela’s government.
María Corina Machado supports Israel’s genocidal regime
Machado has openly praised Israel as it has carried out a genocide against the Palestinian people.
A United Nations commission led by renowned experts on international humanitarian law stated clearly that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.
In January 2025, Machado held a call with Israel’s Minister of Foreign Affairs Gideon Sa’ar. She expressed her “gratitude to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Israel”, adding that she “immensely values the support of the government of Israel”.
The genocidal Israeli regime has refused to recognize the government of Venezuela’s constitutional, internationally recognized President Nicolás Maduro, and has instead recognized US-backed coup leader Edmundo González, who lives in Spain and is a proxy for Machado.
In April 2024, Israel attacked Iran in an act of aggression, and Tehran hit back in self-defense. Machado immediately took to Twitter to condemn Iran. She emphasized her “solidarity with the State of Israel amid the direct aggression by the Iranian regime”.
Machado denounced the supposed “risk represented by the alliance of Iran with the Venezuelan regime”, and she vowed that, if the US can successfully put her in power in Caracas, Machado would form a close alliance with the US and Israel against Iran and the Palestinian people.
In 2023, Machado again tweeted support for Israel, expressing hope that it has a “long and happy existence”, adding that the far-right Venezuelan opposition and the genocidal Israeli regime share common “values”.
One of the clearest illustrations of Machado’s extremist politics came in 2018, when she published an open letter to Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, asking the genocidal leader to help her overthrow Venezuelan President Maduro.
Machado requested that Israel, Argentina’s right-wing government, and other countries in the “international community” give the Venezuelan opposition “the necessary support to generate a regime change” against Maduro.
In the letter, Machado cited “the doctrine of the Responsibility to Protect”, which was used by the United States to justify its 2011 war on Libya. That US-led NATO war destroyed the central government of what had once been a peaceful, stable, and prosperous oil-rich North African country and turned it into a lawless failed state with open-air slave markets.
Today, Netanyahu is wanted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity that his regime has committed in Gaza.
Venezuela does not have formal diplomatic relations with Israel. They were repeatedly broken by revolutionary former President Hugo Chávez and his successor Maduro, both of whom have been strong supporters of the Palestinian people and have condemned Israel for committing genocide.
María Corina Machado is at the center of Donald Trump’s regime-change war on Venezuela
Giving the so-called Nobel Peace Prize for María Corina Machado is even more outrageous considering that she is at the heart of a war that the US government is currently waging against Venezuela.
Donald Trump has launched multiple military attacks, killing dozens of Venezuelans without charge or trial. In flagrant violation of international law, the US military has repeatedly bombed boats surrounding Venezuela in international waters, claiming without any evidence that they were full of people trafficking “drugs”.
Machado has supported Trump’s attacks on her country, including his extrajudicial executions of Venezuelans without charge or trial.
The Financial Times interviewed Machado, and she admitted that she is working with the US government to try to overthrow Venezuela’s President Maduro.
The FT reported that the “deployment of US warships to the southern Caribbean has encouraged thousands of Venezuelans to join an underground movement preparing to bring down President Nicolás Maduro”.
The Trump administration has sent eight warships and thousands of troops to the Caribbean, the FT reported, along with 10 F-35 jets in Puerto Rico. The newspaper noted that this is the largest US military buildup in the region since the 1994 US invasion of Haiti.
“Top figures in the Venezuelan opposition say they have been in touch with senior Trump administration officials to discuss how to choreograph Maduro’s downfall”, the FT wrote.
The newspaper quoted Machado, who threatened, “This set of internal and external forces have created the conditions for Maduro and his regime to increasingly understand that their time is up and that their best option is to leave power now”.
What does Machado hope to do if the US manages to put her in power?
The far-right opposition leader admitted in another interview with the Financial Times that she wants to privatize Venezuela’s enormous oil reserves.
“We have to privatise and open up the markets, beginning with the energy sector”, Machado told the FT in 2023.
After calling to sell off Venezuela’s state-owned oil company PDVSA, she stressed that the South American nation’s enormous oil and gas reserves, along with its lucrative minerals, “will all be open to private investment”.
The newspaper acknowledged in passing that Machado has a “radical reputation” in Venezuela. This is putting it mildly. Machado is the leader of the far-right extremist wing of Venezuela’s opposition. It is explicitly violent and anti-democratic, and notoriously corrupt.
Trump said he wants to “take over” Venezuela and exploit its oil
During Trump’s first term as US president, he launched another coup attempt in Venezuela.
In 2019, Washington appointed the unelected right-wing opposition figure Juan Guaidó as the so-called “interim president” of Venezuela, despite the fact that he had never participated in a presidential election.
The US and its European allies then proceeded to freeze and steal billions of dollars worth of Venezuelan government assets, which were used to fund the coup attempt — and enrich leading figures from the corrupt Venezuelan opposition.
Trump’s coup attempt clearly failed during his first term. At a Republican Party rally in 2023, he complained that the US empire had been very close to “taking over” Venezuela and pillaging his oil. He fumed:
<Venezuela. How about we’re buying oil from Venezuela? When I left, Venezuela was ready to collapse. We would have taken it over. We would have gotten all that oil. It would have been right next door.
In fact, right after the Norwegian Nobel Committee announced that it had given its so-called peace prize to Machado, Trump held a press conference in the White House.
There, Trump revealed that Machado had called him on the phone to thank him for helping her try to overthrow Maduro.
Trump boasted that he has been supporting Venezuela’s far-right opposition. These were his remarks:
<The person who actually got the Nobel Prize called today [on October 10], called me, and said, “I’m accepting this in honor of you because you really deserved it”.
<A very nice thing to do. I didn’t say, “Then give it to me”, though. I think she might have. She was very nice.
<And I’ve been, you know, I’ve been helping her along the way. They need a lot of help in Venezuela.
María Corina Machado supports illegal US sanctions that have killed hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans
Machado has also advocated for years for the United States to impose more and more sanctions on Venezuela, which violate international law.
These unilateral coercive measures have killed hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans.
In 2017, when Trump levied heavy sanctions on Venezuela, Machado praised them, writing happily in an approving tweet, “These sanctions are surgical and effective; with a strong financial, commercial, and political impact”.
Then, in 2018, Machado insisted that “the regime will only leave with force”. She demanded “International force: more lawsuits and sanctions”.
International experts have pointed out that the illegal US sanctions on Venezuela are responsible for at least tens of thousands of deaths, and likely hundreds of thousands.
Renowned economists Mark Weisbrot and Jeffrey Sachs calculated that US sanctions caused more than 40,000 deaths in Venezuela in just one year, from 2017 to 2018.
Their findings were published in a 2019 study at the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) in Washington, DC.
“The sanctions have reduced the availability of food and medicine, and increased disease and mortality”, they wrote.
Weisbrot and Sachs also warned that, “if the sanctions continued, they will almost certainly result in tens of thousands more avoidable deaths”.
The unilateral coercive measures have indeed continued since then, meaning it is likely that hundreds of thousands of Venezuelan civilians have been killed by these illegal US sanctions.
This was implied by another peer-reviewed scientific study, published in 2025 in the world’s leading medical journal, The Lancet.
Unilateral economic sanctions have caused an average of 564,000 excess deaths every single year for the past five decades, the latter study found.
The majority of the deaths from sanctions have been children under the age of five, concluded economists Mark Weisbrot, Francisco Rodríguez, and Silvio Rendón.
The United States is responsible for imposing the majority of unilateral sanctions, in violation of international law.
This means that Nobel “Peace” Prize laureate María Corina Machado has supported illegal coercive measures that have killed hundreds of thousands of her countrymen, including many children.
Marco Rubio, Mike Waltz, and other US politicians lobbied Norwegian Nobel Committee for María Corina Machado
US government officials played a key role in lobbying the Norwegian Nobel Committee to give its so-called peace prize to the Venezuelan coup leader.
On August 26, 2024, several right-wing members of the US Congress sent the committee a letter (PDF).
“We write to you in support of the nomination of María Corina Machado for the Nobel Peace Prize”, they said.
The signatories were all Republicans. They included Florida Senators Rick Scott and Marco Rubio and House Representatives Mario Díaz-Balart, María Elvira Salazar, Michael “Mike” Waltz, Neal Dunn, and Carlos A. Gimenez, along with the New York Representative Byron Donalds.
Today, Rubio is the second-most powerful person in the US government after Trump. He is both secretary of state and national security advisor. (Rubio is the second person in US history to simultaneously hold both positions, after war criminal and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Henry Kissinger.)
Mike Waltz previously served as Trump’s national security advisor, and now is US ambassador to the UN.
These are the US government officials who have been working closely with Machado and Venezuela’s extreme, far-right opposition to try to violently overthrow President Maduro.
By giving Machado its “peace” prize, the Norwegian Nobel Committee demonstrated that it is willing to act as a tool of US empire, cynically exploiting the discourse of “peace” in order to advocate for more war.
>>2521800
>men>working classthat's so fucking cute but it's clear that you've never been to America.
>>2521800I'm a straight cis mixed dude with a family and the best welder I know is a terminally single polish gay furry
>>2521516how did oregon become liberal?
>>2521668kamala looked like she was about to unload on that woman when she stood up
state department cancelling visas of people who laughed at charlie squirt lmao
and bragging about it on twitter
deeply unserious country
I can't stand my retarded MAGA family anymore bros, to the point where I can't stand being around them.
>>2521826what's interesting to me is leftists won't even talk about something as petty as vandalism or shoplifting without going FED FED FED at one another, meanwhile rightoids are openly talking about throwing everyone else in the country into gas chambers in their group chats. we've got a paranoia gap.
>>2521807why does maduro let this bitch walk around freely?
>>2521858Because the reactionaries aren’t serious and everyone knows it, it’s all impotent fantasy all the way down
>>2521811Statistically he would be more likely to be an artist or white collar
>>2521826You should consider organizing an underground ultra paranoid left wing cell with people you know personally. You don't have to actually do any violence, just make a well prepared sleeper cell. Let us know how it goes. If it sticks, use it to anonymously disseminate journalism online so everyone has something to keep busy.
>>2521868The only people willing to join something like that are feds
>>2521869Have anons taught you nothing about spotting glowies
>>2521744People protest trump all the time. Think the time when they busted into a place where he was dining and screamed @ him. (similar in practice to this, there's another factor of protesting at a Trump Rally gets you beaten by petit boug thugs and thrown out)
>>2521695Is Kamala Harris NOT a War Criminal? Was anything the woman said wrong? Or is this just a petty retarded complaint
>>2521858"Those on the side of capital are gloating about the violence they want to commit on behalf of capital" this is probably because they're on the side of capital and are therefore supported (whether open or not is situational)
The fear of being blackbagged and murdered for doing anything against capital (in a meaningful sense, not just vandalism) has demoralized the left to the point where as things get worse nobody is willing to openly discuss ANY physical act against capital for fear of reprisal (whether it be a simple earfold on the file, a knock on the door by police, or worse depending on circumstance) The paranoia gap has always been there, although I can agree that with the establishment's complete handwaving of Domestic Far-Right Terrorists the gap has broadened farther. It was at its closest between 2016-2020.
>>2521856The blood of friendship is thicker that the water of the womb
>>2521876>Zohran backpedaling, to liberal Zionism>Zohran collecting Democrat ghoul handlers >Zohran's policy becoming that of Democrats (plus undoable feel good shit)Normal and good actually. He needs to betray the base to serve the base.
<Criticizing Zohran for backpedaling and becoming a Democrat stoogeTRAITOR TO THE REAL MOVEMENT It seems reasonable for them to be more threatened by critiques from the left than right deviation.
After all, is that not what the DSA is for? To be the the left wing corral for the Dems? The danger is people *getting out* and *not* ending on the right.
>>2521710>How do you debate chuds when they wont stop calling you a transhumanist?A debate isn't to convince a person you are Debating it almost never works like that, it's to convince a hypothetical 3rd person who may already partly sympathize with you. If this audience isn't there you are wasting your time.
>>2521858because we don't have power and they do. when you have power, you ARE the feds. when you don't have power, you get infiltrated by them and led into a trap.
>>2521859Is she even in Venezuela? or is she one of those opposition leaders in exile?
>>2521876I wonder how they got to him he seemed sincere and principled at first still hope he wins because it pisses the bourgeoisie off and we don't lose anything tbh
>>2521876>>2521893he hasn't even gotten into office yet and you're already 24/7 shittalking him when at least he's always been openly opposed to the zionist project when literally no other mainstream politician, not even sanders and AOC, are/were for a long time. i understand the need for him to stick to an actual socialist-adjacent agenda, but can we have at least a modicum of unity before purity testing? fascists literally do tricks on trump's dick 24/7, no wonder our fucking country has gone to shit and we have no real leftist organization when we're always fighting over shit.
>>2521902fell for what? his policies are literally socdem in nature. i'm under no illusions thinking he's going to start some socialist revolution. the point is that america is literally under a fascist administration and we still have infighting like the "socialists" in weimar germany - remember what happened to them? comparing socdems to fascists and refusing to engage is why germany became fascist despite having enough people to oppose it - even trotsky knew that calling socdems "moderate wing of fascism" was fucking stupid
>>2521876one of our collective members is in the MUG
>>2521903"fell for it again" to this guy means "improved new york with socdem policies but said a wishy-washy statement on palestine, which is objectively the same thing as facilitating a genocide, which is why all americans deserve to be killed in nuclear hellfire"
>>2521908if all SPD, Centre, and KPD had pooled their votes, they had a majority over the fascists, but because the KPD was controlled by the Stalin and his retarded "social fascist" BS that even Trotsky knew was fucking stupid, they refused to cooperate. even if the SPD and Centre were evil, withholding your support so that the Nazis could have a majority and collapse the system and create a hole for them to seize power was fucking dumb, and we can see the consequences in our textbooks. Zohran may be a socdem or he may be a socialist, but with the USA on the tipping point and with the Liberals being corrupt and pathetic, we have to take what we can get. There isn't a united socialist resistance ready to overthrow the fascists.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1931/311208.htm >>2521909Zohran's programme isn't really even social democratic. If it was he wouldn't get a Warren endorsement
>>2521870everyone is a glowie if you listen to anons
>>2521911You seem confused. It's not that we don't want to work with succdems, it's that succdems refuse to work with us. Time and time again. They call us authoritarian tankies, and they do this rug pull bullshit where they pretend to be anti imperialist until they start running for office and then metamorphose into libs.
>>2521903> i understand the need for him to stick to an actual socialist-adjacent agenda, but can we have at least a modicum of unity before purity testing?I mean, good for you. Zohran winning is IMO the best case scenario by far.
But from the outside, considering how his campaign has been internationalized due to atlanticist media. Even if Zohran doesn't actually have any voice in the matter… he's backing the US aggression against Cuba and Venezuela. He's implicitly backing Zionism and the current Trump plan akin to impunity for the second Nakba.
https://xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/1978184556026192264#mYou understand how that looks, right? You get your treats, your socdem concessions, and the other side of the Caribbean and MENA gets your missiles and genocides… while you pass this as advancing socialism.
>>2521919Not only this but people on here are getting hysterical and pretending that noticing any of this is a "failure of unity" or "sabotaging zohran" or "purity testing" even though most of us don't even live in NYC. This is the one place on the internet where I should be able to criticize burger reich poly-trick-CIAns without hearing the lib whining about falling in line and getting out the VOOT
>>2521917I feel like these statements are made without actually examining the current moment. Take a look at the reddit frontpage. It's full of people screaming death to the nazi trump regime, there's tons of denouncements and criticisms of capitalism, there's almost no fearmongering about leftists (beyond some bitching about anti-electoralists or green party voters). We are not currently in a Red Scare moment or a Weimar moment when the libs will ally with the fascists to crush the left.
>>2521919Isn't every US politician reinforcing imperialism by that logic since we're in the imperial core? Even someone like la Riva in PSL is still advocating within the system, so ultimately that serves to reinforce and legitimize the status quo, no matter how directly anti-Zionist they might be. Unless we have a revolution tmmw, there's really nothing we can do in that regard.
>linkWhen did he say he was "not an anti-Zionist" or that he "dropped his firm pledge to arrest Netanyahu"? He probably will end up moderating like he did with the police statement, since that's what the corrupt status quo does, but that doesn't mean we should be harping on future hypotheticals until they happen.
>>2521923>the current moment. Take a look at the reddit/isg/ baka
>>2521925gloria la riva isn't doing shit like this before even getting elected:
>>2521519>>2521600 >>2521933cuz she knows she'll never even come close to winning so she get FBI money to pretend otherwise
>>2521935you went from "muh left unity" to "gloria la riva is FBI" in like 5 posts flat wtf
>>2521938typo, i meant "she doesn't get fbi money because she is never going to win so there's no point in her simping for liberals like zohran might"
>>2521903>the point is that america is literally under a fascist administration and we still have infighting like the "socialists" in weimar germanyWell whose fault is the "infighting"? All you have to do is just not be holocaust denier to get on good terms with socialists
>>2521710>How do you debate chuds when they wont stop calling you a transhumanist?Rightoids don't need reality to make propaganda. They construct "threats," and even if every trans person disappeared tomorrow, they would still demonize the left or maybe focus on a different group. The attacks don't stop, they just shift direction.
>>2521760>you're gonna get banned but now I'm kinda curious have there been any studies on transness and socioeconomic status? is it actually a bourgeois thing, because I know a lotta poor homeless trans people.Most of the trans people I've met have been pretty low down the socioeconomic hierarchy, I gotta say. That's just anecdotal experience. The last one I met worked the counter at a wargame miniature store which was pretty cool.
>>2521770>but its been widely observable LGBT pop explodes among white western demoI'd be interested in some studies, but the gay population where I live doesn't feel particularly white. To be real with you. But I guess it depends on how you define white. It's mostly Hispanic guys named Arturo, but I'm from Texas so we have our own spicy flavor. Also black lesbians. his is what Pride looks like where I'm from. Most of them come from working-class backgrounds I think? T
I have a suspicion that people who think LGBT people are just bourgeois are themselves pretty bourgeois, because they tend to socialize with people of their own social class, so the LGBT people they encounter are like them. Paul Cockshott can suck my cock.
>>2521903>>2521900Total Misunderstanding Award. Social Democracy is another tool of capital to placate and stave off class conflict, and under this context there is no reason not to badmouth it. Social democracy (especially in a small scale within imperialism) is the greatest example of this. Your defense of their candidates is support for social democracy as a whole. YOU, yes YOU are aiding capital in the broader context of class conflict. This was discussed and examined up and down as far back as the 20s and 30s, yet somehow the proletariat (and those on the side of the proletariat's interests) are supposed to step on the proverbial rake AGAIN. Just because reactionaries have banded together in support of capital does not mean we must cheer it on when it makes a small concession and lets a demsoc run for MAYOR.
>>2521949Where exactly is this class conflict, then? Nowhere imminent, obviously. Even Marx (and Lenin too! despite my dislike of him) said that we should seek reforms where possible at the same time as we pursue an actual socialist revolution.
>Lenin: "Unlike the anarchists, the Marxists recognise struggle for reforms, i.e., for measures that improve the conditions of the working people without destroying the power of the ruling class. At the same time, however, the Marxists wage a most resolute struggle against the reformists, who, directly or indirectly, restrict the aims and activities of the working class to the winning of reforms. Reformism is bourgeois deception of the workers, who, despite individual improvements, will always remain wage-slaves, as long as there is the domination of capital. … However, developments in every sector of the working-class movement show that the Marxists, far, from lagging behind, are definitely in the lead in making practical use of reforms, and in fighting for them. … The Marxists are working tirelessly, not missing a single “possibility” of winning and using reforms, and not condemning, but supporting, painstakingly developing every step beyond reformism in propaganda, agitation, mass economic struggle, etc." https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/sep/12b.htmJust because I support a reformist in the moment does not make me a reformist. I am not delusional enough to think you can "fix" capitalism, nor am I a class traitor, and acting otherwise is insanely sectarian.
I think the problem is working within the Democratic Party, you're just asking to get co-opted at that point.
>>2521947>and that reason is Charlie died for our sins and will soon be resurrected.Right now, Charlie is recovering after his MedBed treatment by the finest doctors in the Galactic Federation on Alpha Centauri. He will soon return to Earth aboard a Space Force UFO.
>>2521963Accelerationism didn't work in Weimar and it won't work here. Human life is not something so insubstantial as to be sacrificed on the altar of utilitarianism. What happens if this "imminent class conflict" does not occur? Then we let innocent people suffer and die for nothing. Even if it does occur, why are you so willing to surrender those who we are supposed to be fighting for in the name of a nebulous, uncertain future? The whole point of socialism is to serve the people - all of them, not just those who are left after the bombs fall and bullets rain down.
>>2521672Wasn't Big Pun like 700lbs when he died? How is it humanly possible to be that obese?
>>2521975>How is it humanly possible to be that obese?uyghas is houngry.
>>2521952The eventual goal of reformism historically was a transition to socialism. None of the current left-democrats fulfill that qualifier
>>2521965>>2521963U fags talk like u had any kind of agency in the matter, lol
>>2521695>wtf is protesting her at this late date going to do?Make people remember that she was second in command of a genocidal administration.
>>2521965I agree that Zohran winning the race is in your best interest. I also agree that most US politicians, certainly those who want a good career, need to endorse US imperialism and much of the rest of the terrible policies in some capacity, PR allowing.
I do,
I really believe you when you say that your concessions are riding on supporting these abhorrent policies.
This is true, and I do not contest it.
I also know, from every election ever, that the vast majority of the USAno voters also agree with you. Left and right, wherever you stand on politics, there is the widespread consensus that
your gibs, real or perceived, are worth any amount of "foreign policy" .
I just call it what it is:
Transactional.
>>2521975IIRC he got insurance money from something and spend it all on fast food.
>>2522001 (me)
inb4
>But it's false consciousness! Yeah, absolutely.
But you know, when USAnos come out to explain that they gotta pinch their nose and look the other way regarding unseemly parts of policy (say, genocide and imperialism),
to secure the bag… It somewhat diminishes the argument that they are being fooled, ignorant.
>>2521963Also not establishing a proletarian dictatorship always puts you at risk of a Lolbertarian grifter like Javier Milei or someone similar winning and wiping out all progress and advancements.
>>2522007The most likely thing that will end up happening to Zohran is electoral fraud against him or, at best, being assassinated by federal agents and ending up as a martyr.
>>2521965>The whole point of socialism is to serve the peopleno, it's to win the battle of democracy and establish the working class the ruling class (dotp) and to abolish private property.
>>2522021>establish the working class the ruling class (dotp) and to abolish private property.That's communism. Socialism comes before that.
>>2522018Dotp =/= abandoning parliamentary democracy. A modern version of dotp would have to secure hegemony through its institutions and constitutional order rather than a bolshevik-style dictatorship
>>2522001To be fair, Venezuela and Cuba are authoritarian. They may be better off than other nation-states, and we shouldn't excuse USA imperialism in the region for leading to what they are and continuously destabilizing them now, but that doesn't mean they aren't flawed.
>>2522021Which is to serve the people? They're right.
>>2522035no, Israel and Trump are willfully ignoring the clear and repeated statements from hamas that they won't disarm until there is a Palestinian national military. they will get the hostages, act surprised and shocked by the lack of disarmament they've been shrieking will happen soon (the media will play along casting this as hamas treachery) and the war will resume. Israel's already violating the ceasefire every day shooting random Palestinians with drones, like the rabid dog of a nation they are
>>2522022According to Lenin. Before him, Socialism and Communism meant the same thing, hence I use them both interchangeably too. But anyway, the whole point of Socialism/Communism is to establish a true, pure democracy that serves the people.
>>2522034> Venezuela and Cuba are authoritarianwrong
Sup glowiepol
>>2522058who exactly should people be voting for?
>>2522060quite frankly nobody. I do however think that modern MLs are very snooty people however.
>>2522060whoever the honkoid PMC's tell you to
>>2522058true. They want purity because it gives them a certain sense of ideological comfort. This leaves them rigid and unable to compromise, and if you can't do something as simple as work with other people in society who may not think 100% like you that's a sign of an immature mind
>>2521843The DSA rightists suddenly care about democratic centralism
Seems like a bit of an old meme but I kind of wonder if that 50/13 meme is even more of a lie than first thought? I think there is a hidden fent mafia comprised of the aryan nation type folks that the police deliberately cover up. They sell meth and fent to white people but never get charged with anything. Kind of like our own litle el salvador type situation where chuds can say "Well white people don't do nuthin" but that's because local police and the aryan orders work together to sell drugs to other hicks and that also gets the bonus of looking better on crime reports.
>>2522097you're just now realizing so called "crime statistics" are actually arest/prosecution/conviction statistics and certain people get arrested/prosecuted/convicted at a lower rate despite committing more crimes?
a bourgeois man can fly to epstein island a million times and get charged with nothing >>2522058there sentiment isn't "anti vooting" the sentiment is "Go ahead and voot but don't be surprised when it doesn't result in anything and definitely don't do vooting and nothing else."
>>2522036this
>>2522035are you pretending to be naive on purpose as a bad joke
>>2522034>nation-statesTo be fair to anarchists, they are only aligned with nazis, Zionists, and the CIA because they are Soros footsoldiers who destroy countries for international finance capital
<"Its so scary how Trump is doing everything that us liberal degenerates at Crimethinc cheered in Ukraine! That's fascism, suddenly"https://crimethinc.com/2022/02/15/war-and-anarchists-anti-authoritarian-perspectives-in-ukraine >Bessent: "No kings equals no paychecks"
LMAO ok let's see how that works out for you
>>2522034>authoritarianauthoritarian/libertarian are a false dichotomy because you use so called authority to establish and maintain so called liberty. Even the slave-raping founding father Jefferson understood this with his maxim "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
The question you should be asking is which class's authority is maintaining which class's liberty, because the history of society is the history of class struggle.
>>2521782dumbass in the last thread missed the point:
>doesn't matter if the corporate board got disbanded>they restructured the civic government to remove most of its power and authority>the 1975 bankruptcy was driven not by unservicable debt>the banks arbitrarily decided 11bn was too much debt and announced they would withhold credit>this caused a liquidity crisis where the city couldn't pay their employees>the city then raided the pensions to buy its own junk bonds to pay their employees>this wasn't enough so they accepted the restructuring and austerity measures the banks dictated to them>today nyc has something like 90bn in debt (capped at 120bn by law)>this is a huge problem because normies don't understand what a leveraged position is>the banks and oppo media can use this figure to conjure another debt crisis out of thin air>from there it's easy to hamstring the mayor or just libel him out of office>this will likely happen if mamdani rocks the boat >>2522109bruh most of NYC's budget comes from the feds. debt doesn't matter all that much
>>2521945>Rubio will defend our borders, our borders, our citizenshttps://www.dropsitenews.com/p/larry-ellison-vetted-marco-rubio-israel-hacked-emails-ron-prosorYou mean Israeli's borders, ZOG culture, and the NWO citizenry who are "legal" according to the neoliberal antichrist technocrat Tony Blair (current overlord of Palestine, that's what democratic socialist politicians are really like btw)
>>2522113that's even worse. trump definitely has stooges in the treasury.
>>2522113bruh a mayor cannot rock the boat or the feds and the banks fuck them. thanks for making the other anon's point for them.
>>2522114>ZOG>antichrist>NWOtry being a materialist and communist when you are done being a christian nationalist or whatever
>>2522115no this is preferable since it pits federal interests against the interests of NYC porky which are equally effected by federal aid being cut off, as opposed to pitting NYC porky against the mayor
>>2522116the other anon was wrong in believing the banks 'conjured up' the crisis in 1975, that year the mayor was granting 400 million dollar tax breaks to developers left and right. Mamdani is hardly a revolutionary but he clearly isn't a corrupt retard like granny killing Cuomo was and its transparent to every new yorker that they're being fucked over with political bullshit from the feds. new yorks finances aren't even that bad compared to places like Chicago
but even if you're somehow right they crack down on Mamdani rocking the boat, don't we want a new york without any money? seems like the ideal revolutionary situation to me
>>2522121NYC porky will welcome more economic carnage than what they think Mandani's policies will do to punish the electorate as much as possible for voting him in and traumatize them from doing so in the future. They will generally be on board with Trump and will help spin the media narrative to make Mamdani look as bad as possible on top of that. If the city runs out of money and its propagandized as being entirely Mamdani's fault then it won't be all that great of a revolutionary situation.
>>2522125I guess one bright side I just thought of is that it will radicalize more people from ever being demsuccs or listening to their bullshit again as their annoying failed approach to politics is methodically dismantled and crucified in front of them while they are forced to watch.
>>2522037>true, pure democracylol.
>>2522125>NYC porky will welcome more economic carnage than what they think Mandani's policies will do to punish the electoratethat would require porky to be cohesively organized and ideologically motivated. Porky is only concerned with their wallets and nothing else. We're living in a time where trump is nationalizing companies and taking ownership shares for the state, so where is the outrage from Porky? Where is the backlash? Don't you think that because blumpf is nationalizing companies, and therefore putting the interests of the state ahead of private interests, he's (accidentally) laying the foundations of the argument for a future socialist state, more than Mamdani could ever dream of doing in his time in office?
>>2521897well, it's about time that the left in the west regains control of the narrative.
the left isn't a weak bunch of sitting conformists quasi-conservatives.
>>2521900>he's always been openly opposed to the zionisthas he? last time I've checked he hasn't.
>>2521902shills shilling shills. people forgot about fetterman.
it's like the dems people retweeting and liking a guy who said they are going to initiate a humans right lawsuit against trump…
… people forgot that dems said the same with dubya, and amounted to nothing.
>>2522132they will welcome the carnage after he is elected to blame him for it, like I said. By all means vote your little head off demsucc, vote vote vote! see what happens,
>BREAKING: The Trump administration will set price floors across a range of industries to combat market manipulation by China, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said.
price controls price controls price controls
>>2522135areas where everything is more expensive, yes. there are areas where 400k a year is "middle class". that's old topic.
>>2522137pipe down retardo. first Mamdani in NYC, then Omar Fateh in Minneapolis. welcome to the new era
>>2522035just exaggeration by msm, rightoids and stupid normies who eat anything presented to them
>>2522142lol the new era where you have to compromise on opposing imperialism to get power and try to work within the system to enact a better welfare state in an economy that still is inextricably tied to imperialism. I'm sure there's no way anything accomplished in this "new era" won't just be rolled back sooner or later, that's never happened before within living memory in the same country no less. There's no way what I just described isn't just the be all end all of your playbook with no thought on how to actually end capitalism, you'll just figure that out later or something after you get more votes! we just need to keep VOOTING for decades and decades and decades and decades and decades(etc.)
>>2522147the cop looks fat too
I am more and more seeing shitlibs on internet, across different social media platforms, from the US mostly, saying that their problem with Marx is that they don't need him because they are
>Poor
or
>Indigenous
or
>A minority
(or all three)
and for that reason, they don't need anyone else to understand or to be told how's to be poor or a minority or indigenous. in a contrarian way, and with a quasi-fed behavior they state they even come to the point to state stuff like:
<My Blackness and Indigeneity are fundamental to my ideologies. I pity you if being a leftist is your primary identity.
(look it up, it's on social media)
funny enough, they go in one single post or paragraph from
>REEEEEE don't lecture me
to lecture how important is whatever identity politics they cling on to people like them.
>muh blackness is primal to my discourse
these people are paid actors, I am 100% sure. no people under shackles would reject alternatives to be free, even if the alternative includes reading.
>>2521760All the rich trans people are republican. I’ve gotten soft scolded by conservative friends and family for dead naming Bruce Jenner.
>>2521858The right has full support of the state that’s why.
>>2522148Showing up on Saturday with a big foam finger that has Marx's face on one side and Zapata's on the other
>>2522149comrades who are unable or unwilling to compromise are fundamentally not fit to be apart of any political organization IMO. you may stay nice and secure in your ideological comfort while the rest of us deal with the reality of now
>>2522148"orange man said we hate america so we have to prove how much we love america and everything it stands for at this rally. hands off NATO! hands off USAID!"
(you just know this is where it's going)
>>2522157I mean they're going to get brutally repressed no matter how much they stick up for America's institutions, so if it's any consolation it'll be a pretty good radicalizing moment for some of these libs. They're gonna call you a Marxist anyways, might as well actually read Marx and figure out what this communism thing is about
>>2522157I think I already said this, but I saw a sign that said "hands off Voice of America" at the last one of these things lmao
>>2522157If the democrats didn’t implode, my mood would have been much more dour right now.
>>2522151Oh absolutely. I'm ashamed to admit I only truly realized it recently, but Hamilton Morris was talking on his podcast the other day about how big pharma killed the MDMA trials, and a big part of that was paying people to talk about pedantic idpol like indigenous consciousness colonialism or whatever. He says some crazy far left types might have bought into it but it was 10000% started by the pharma company trying to kill the movement
>>2522155the real issue at the core of the argument is that demsuccs themselves are not willing to compromise. If there is a red line in the form of opposing imperialism in order to work with others, that is a bridge too far for demsuccs and they blame everyone else and call everyone else stubborn. If Mamdani and co want to be comrades in the first place, they need to be willing to willing and able to compromise, specifically on the demsucc position of being "flexible" on how they address places like Cuba, if they can't meet us half way and abandon the 100+ year old tendency of democratic socialism to cozy up with imperialism as a "tactic" then they are asking for "compromise" while giving nothing themselves. Either oppose imperialism, or there is no unity.
>>2521505These are what /pol/ would be if they were rich kids who have never been told no, as their dysfunction, rather than schizos.
Is it really that surprising, that scum like this would immediately jump into the first pedo blackmail operation offered to them? That they would send letters like the Epstein birthday ones?
>>2522163>If there is a red line in the form of opposing imperialism in order to work with othersthis is def a recent thing but doesn't the DSA have a red line over israel/aipac and had a beef with AOC over it? the new york chapter loves her obviously but the central committee is majority marxist nowadays
>>2522148>Will you go to the I Hate America rally this Saturday to maintain your Marxist credentials?The Hate Amerikkka 2 Death Rally
>>2522163>If Mamdani and co want to be comrades in the first place, they need to be willing to willing and able to compromise, specifically on the demsucc position of being "flexible" on how they address places like Cuba, if they can't meet us half way Mamdani said he opposes sanctions on Cuba. How's that for a compromise? To be honest I have no idea how he would act in executive office or what he could actually do about that in any case, but the communists say, that's not good enough, he also has to say the Cuban government is great. But he's not going to do that because he's not a communist.
>>2522171I think so but the national DSA isn't really a "central committee," it doesn't have any real power to tell local chapters what to do. The DSA isn't built that way. But someone who knows more about it can probably explain it better.
>>2522097ntm the ft bragg fentanyl cartel
>>2522158>They're gonna call you a Marxist anyways, might as well actually read Marx and figure out what this communism thing is aboutI have found that for every 1 person who thinks like this there are 9 who think "I have to prove them I'm not an evil Marxist authoritarian"
>>2522189Eh it's better than nothing
>>2522185This iclearly is realpolitik though. You are genuinely retarded if you don't see that.
>>2522197Like I said
>Evil terrorism support and zero morals when usa does it >Real politik and reasonable when Russia does it >>2522185Bashar Al Assad is in asylum in Russia. meanwhile the people who overthrew him were US backed. You flatten this difference and equate shaking the man's hand with actually putting him in power.
Yes Putin is a bourgeois reactionary statesman (coincidentally also in power because of a US-backed counterrevolutionary movement). But al-Sharaa is a critter of the USA who, if they had their way, would also replace Putin with someone more compliant (Rest in Piss, Navalny). When you look at all these reactionaries and you flatten the real differences between them, you forget that enemy is always looking to replace the less compliant reactionaries with even more compliant reactionaries. This is why you are mocked, not just for the handshake memes, but for this tendency to decontextualize current events from the history that led up to them, and to flatten real strategically-relevant difference between reactionaries.
>>2522203Have you asked yourself why Russia did not attempt at all to defend assad militarily against this take over?
>>2522201<no states can't do realpolitik! why aren't they pristine moral actors!you are legitimately retarded. go back to facebook or wherever you come from you addled fucking troglodyte.
>>2522207Did you call it real politik when the USA did it champ?
>>2522208
This is not what I asked. Russia has had tens of thousands of soldiers in syria regularly. Why were they completely fine with assad being removed now?
>>2522209>Did you call it real politik when the USA did it champ?realpolitik isn't a value judgment you actual child. go outside with your friends, stop spending the best years of your youth on this site.
>>2522211
You did not answer the question
>>2522215You didn't answer the question I asked.
>>2522205Russian soldiers were still in syria
I am going to laugh when Putin allows sharaa to extradite assad lol
>”When you are facing a nonmarket economy like China, then you have to exercise industrial policy," Bessent told Sara Eisen at CNBC's Invest in America Forum in Washington, D.C.
>”So we're going to set price floors and the forward buying to make sure that this doesn't happen again and we're going to do it across a range of industries," the Treasury secretary said, without naming specific industries the administration was looking at beyond rare earths.
>>2522214what a massive and obvious goalpost shift from
>>2522185 which was already answered perfectly.
>heh p000tler shake hand with US-backed guy <ok yeah he's a bourgeois statesman but he gives assad asylum and didn't overthrow assad in the first place so I'm not sure what your dumb point is>umm umm umm why didn't russia do more with their troopsidk dude why don't you go to a russian embassy and ask
>>2522225Holy epic reddit moment my friend, we need upvotes for posts like this :^)
>>2522214do you view the /usapol/ thread as a safe space to whine about everyone the US government is annoyed with lately?
>>2522227I have never shifted any goal post. I don't need to go to a Russian embassy to ask this question the same as I never needed to go to an American embassy to ask such questions. When Russia backs him it is real politik and fine when the USA does it is terrorism support and zero morals. There is no situation will you look at Russia negatively for such an action and will just deflect about it.
>>2522229Nah I hate the USA government. I also hate sharaa
>>2522205You keep posting this shitty image all the time.
>>2522230>There is no situation will you look at Russia negativelyI already told you dumbass that I do view Capitalist Russia negatively. It is a massive step backwards from the USSR, a step backwards that was materially supported by the USA. But I also recognize that the burger reich is behind the ousting of Assad and I find the way you view current events as isolated from their historical context stupid and annoying. al-Sharaa and Yeltsin (who put Putin in power) and Zelensky are all "Yanks To The Rescue." All these bourgeois leaders are reactionary and have agency, but the US being a global empire with more power than Russia, Syria, or Ukraine, has more control over the situation. They have escalation dominance. They are the driving force behind a lot of these geopolitical events. Also I live in the USA and by the Leninist principle of revolutionary defeatism, I oppose my own government's actions first and foremost.
You just wanted to come to /usapol/ to cry about Russia and manufacture consent against a bourgeois leader who, for geopolitical reasons, the US state department currently finds to be a thorn in their side. Why don't you go to /ukr/ instead?
>>2522203>>2522238Russia was not ever BOG though, the USSR largely did that to itself.
>>2522241Thanks for bolstering my point by admitting burgers have had escalation dominance through geopolitical meddling for the better part for an entire century and are always working to make a situation even worse. That's why I don't care about handshakes between a current US-backed reactionary and a former US-backed reactionary.
>guy on street corner selling whatever he can
<if I get arrested, that's part of the risk, I have no other choice but to do this in order to eat, pay rent, and simply exist, the risk is worth the reward
<Average number of drug related arrests per year: 1.16 million Americans
///
>leftist guy trying to organize
<we can't be too open, there's not much we can do, don't talk about those illegal tactics, they'll arrest us! Why are you suggesting X tactic? you must be a fed!
<Average number of leftist related arrests per year: <10 Americans
Why is the american left so risk adverse? Why are those who are willing to take risks, or at least spread awareness of higher risk tactics immediately labelled a fed?
>>2521760trans women (specifically of color) are literally at the lowest possible societal caste of their respective societies, and always have been:
>4x more likely to live in extreme poverty than general population>3x higher unemployment rate than national avg>1/3rd of all trans women experience homelessness in their life>earn 60 cents for every $1 earned by the average cis worker - (Human Rights Campaign Foundation (2022–2023))>double the all‑cause mortality compared to cisgender peers>face disproportionately high unemployment and wage gaps, even when controlling for education and experience - (Labour Economics, 2021)>are 7x more likely to be murdered than cis women and 4x more likely to be assaulted than both cis men and cis women - (American Journal of Public Health, 2021)>majority of trans population is in 3rd world countries like Brasil, India and Thailandall those stats were just for the united states, its much much worse for 3rd world transsexuals. anyone who tells you transhumanists are "bourgeoisie" is a retard trying to obfuscate progress and/or intellectualize his personal prejudice
>>2522185Nice revisionism.
Weird how baddy "ziggers" hated that guy from the start while there were threads up trying to make fun about Assad losing. If you said this new neoliberal reactionary dictator B replacing neoliberal A was just as bad if not even worse, you were automatically a butthurt zigger. Nobody could've predicted that the new guy would start to genocide minorities and then… keep on working with Russia? So actual ziggers won, kek.
>>2522245What about the migrants though. You sound like contrapoint
>>2522245>trans women (specifically of color) are literally at the lowest possible societal caste of their respective societies, and always have beenI think you're backwards projecting US treatment of TWOC onto all society and all of history. You don't know how TWOC were treated in, to pick a random example, Australia 5000 years ago.
Also different societies have always had different approaches to gender identity but the concept of trans, as it is used today in countries like the USA, is not the same as Two Spirits or whatever historical anthropological example of nonbinary gender constructs people sometimes bring up. That is not to say trans people didn't exist before modern times, just that there specific contemporary categorical constructs used to identify them as separate from other people didn't necessarily exist in all societies.
>>2522254thats why i said "especially of color" and "respective to their societies". a trans female immigrant is way more fucked than a cis immigrant. regardless, its not oppression olympics, im just refuting that guys claim that trans people are privileged "bourgeoisie"
>>2522251>6% of US population is millionairesfascinating. and bernie talks about the 1% which by definition means some of the millionaires are included in the 99%
>>2522258if you have 1.1 million dollars you could still end up ruined if you retire too soon and end up needing care in old age, barring other medical problems. It's why a lot of NFL guys need fallback careers
>>2522259you literally did this 5 minutes ago by saying "but what abt muh migrants"
>>2522261>migrant agricultural proletarian childdoes being an proletarian migrant prevent one from being trans?
>>2522259put a trans woman of color in charge of your magazine and resign due to your privilege
>>2522259We're not interesting in 'converting' anyone? How are you a fully grown adult and still have not realised this? Fuck off and see a priest fam, it's clearly more your speed.
>>2522267the leaders of the revolution will be mentally differently abled physically differently abled human-trafficked and undocumented homeless migrant obese trans women of color with post traumatic stress disorder who are reserveless propertyless subsistence-wage-earning sex workers who follow a minority religion. If you don't tick all those checkboxes then you are likely a counter revolutionary infiltrator
>>2522276I'm just saying that there's a big difference between a millionaire with 1 mil and one with 50 mil when you break down that 6% of the population. most of them are the former and aren't really immune to precarity even if they are better off than the other 94%
>>2522284this, so much this. a million dollars isn't a lot to have lying around, right comrades? in fact arguably we are the most oppressed segment of the population.
>>2522021>>The whole point of socialism is to serve the peopleWhat if I told you that yes, it unironically
is to serve the people? How else are you going to build power? What do you have to offer otherwise? A subscription to your Patreon?
>>2522251how is this calculated
>>2522300Ugly on the inside and outside.
>>2522092they do this all the time. the national leadership consistently keeps the organization acting to the right of the majority of leadership
>>2521800>Imagine you are a straight white dude who works [in a trade]i dont need to imagine but thanks for the advice
It's simple guys, if we can meme about a mass uprising on the 18th enough it'll happen through sheer momentum. I expect everyone to do their part and LARP like there's no tomorrow
ICE seems impatient
zohran status?
>>2522315I’m going to the local protest in my town this weekend. I’ve been seeming consistent protesting here for a couple months now. Oddly the cops are just not around at least the last couple times I went.
>>2522333Kegsbreath blacked out and in his belligerence commandeered the plane
>>2522340>Covert<NYT (??? you cropped it..) headlineWhy are americans like this?
>>2522341Dogspeed comrade. Make sure to bring a leftypol flag
>>2522300>William Hendrix Wow the nazis even have Ace representation
>>2522353He is using this as an excuse to kill Venezuelan fishermen.
>>2522340The Trump administration has secretly authorized the C.I.A. to conduct covert action in Venezuela, according to U.S. officials, stepping up a campaign against Nicolás Maduro, the country’s authoritarian leader.
The authorization is the latest step in the Trump administration’s intensifying pressure campaign against Venezuela. For weeks, the U.S. military has been targeting boats off the Venezuelan coast it says are transporting drugs, killing 27 people. American officials have been clear, privately, that the end goal is to drive Mr. Maduro from power.
The new authority would allow the C.I.A. to carry out lethal operations in Venezuela and conduct a range of operations in the Caribbean.
The agency would be able to take covert action against Mr. Maduro or his government either unilaterally or in conjunction with a larger military operation. It is not known whether the C.I.A. is planning any operations in Venezuela or if the authorities are meant as a contingency.
But the development comes as the U.S. military is planning its own possible escalation, drawing up options for President Trump to consider, including strikes inside Venezuela.
The scale of the military buildup in the region is substantial: There are currently 10,000 U.S. troops there, most of them at bases in Puerto Rico, but also a contingent of Marines on amphibious assault ships. In all, the Navy has eight surface warships and a submarine in the Caribbean.
The Trump administration’s strategy on Venezuela, developed by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, with help from John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director, aims to oust Mr. Maduro from power.
Mr. Ratcliffe has said little about what his agency is doing in Venezuela. But he has promised that the C.I.A. under his leadership would become more aggressive. During his confirmation hearing, Mr. Ratcliffe said he would make the C.I.A. less averse to risk and more willing to conduct covert action when ordered by the president, “going places no one else can go and doing things no one else can do.”
Mr. Rubio, who also serves as Mr. Trump’s national security adviser, has called Mr. Maduro illegitimate, and the Trump administration describes him as a “narcoterrorist.”
The administration has asserted in legal filings that Mr. Maduro controls a criminal gang, Tren de Aragua. But an assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies contradicts that conclusion.
While the Trump administration has publicly offered relatively thin legal justifications for its campaign, Mr. Trump told Congress that he decided the United States was in an armed conflict with drug cartels it views as terrorist organizations. In the congressional notice late last month, the Trump administration said the cartels smuggling drugs were “nonstate armed groups” whose actions “constitute an armed attack against the United States.”
White House findings authorizing covert action are closely guarded secrets. They are often reauthorized from administration to administration, and their precise language is rarely made public. They also constitute one of the rawest uses of executive authority.
Select members of Congress are briefed on the authorizations, but lawmakers cannot make them public, and conducting oversight of possible covert actions is difficult.
In 1954, the C.I.A. orchestrated a coup that overthrew President Jacobo Árbenz of Guatemala, ushering in decades of instability. The C.I.A.-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961 ended in disaster, and the agency repeatedly tried to assassinate Fidel Castro. That same year, however, the C.I.A. supplied weapons to dissidents who assassinated Rafael Leónidas Trujillo Molina, the authoritarian leader of the Dominican Republic.
The agency also had its hands in a 1964 coup in Brazil, the death of Che Guevara and other machinations in Bolivia, a 1973 coup in Chile, and the contra fight against the leftist Sandinista government of Nicaragua in the 1980s.
Trump Considers Overhaul of Refugee System That Would Favor White PeopleThe Trump administration is considering a radical overhaul of the U.S. refugee system that would slash the program to its bare bones while giving preference to English speakers, white South Africans and Europeans who oppose migration, according to documents obtained by The New York Times.
The proposed changes would put new emphasis on whether applicants would be able to assimilate into the United States, directing them to take classes on “American history and values” and “respect for cultural norms.”
The proposals also advise Mr. Trump to prioritize Europeans who have been “targeted for peaceful expression of views online such as opposition to mass migration or support for ‘populist’ political parties.”
That appeared to be a reference to the European far-right political party Alternative for Germany, whose leaders have trivialized the Holocaust, revived Nazi slogans and denigrated foreigners. Vice President JD Vance has criticized Germany for trying to suppress the views of the group, which is known as the AfD.
A senior official said the Trump administration was monitoring the situation in Europe to determine whether anyone would be eligible for refugee status. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the plan had not been finalized.
Mr. Trump enacted some of the proposals in the documents even before the plans were submitted to him, including slashing refugee admissions and offering priority status to Afrikaners, the white minority who once ran South Africa’s brutal apartheid system.
Mr. Trump has claimed that Afrikaners face racial persecution in their home country, a claim vigorously disputed by government officials there. Police statistics do not show that white people are more vulnerable to violent crime than other people in South Africa.
“The sharp increase in diversity has reduced the level of social trust essential for the functioning of a democratic polity,” according to one of the documents. The administration should only welcome “refugees who can be fully and appropriately assimilate, and are aligned with the president’s objectives.”
To that end, the documents say, Mr. Trump should cancel the applications of hundreds of thousands of people who are already in the pipeline to come to the United States as refugees, many of whom have gone through extensive security checks and referrals.
And Mr. Trump’s federal agencies proposed imposing limits on the number of refugees who can resettle in communities that already have a high population of immigrants, on the basis that the United States should avoid “the concentration of non-native citizens” in order to promote assimilation.
The administration has made some exceptions to its refugee ban. According to the documents, federal agencies have worked to resettle a limited number of Afghans who assisted U.S. soldiers during the war.
Other changes include more intensive security vetting for refugees, including DNA tests for children to ensure they are related to the adults they are traveling with.
Mr. Trump also is planning to slash the number of refugees allowed into the United States to 7,500 in the upcoming year, a drastic decrease from the limit of 125,000 set by the Biden administration last year.
Mr. Trump is required by law to consult Congress on imposing a refugee limit, but White House officials say the government shutdown has delayed that.
Mr. Trump and the architect of his immigration restrictions, Stephen Miller, have for years sought to limit the number of refugees entering the United States, particularly from Africa or Muslim-majority nations. During his first term, Mr. Trump demanded to know at a White House meeting why he would accept immigrants from Haiti and African nations, which he described as “shithole countries,” rather than Europe.
In the report, administration officials also proposed banning refugees from resettling in U.S. communities that have requested federal aid to assist migrants in recent years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/15/us/politics/trump-refugee-white-people.html >>2521861That's what they said about Adolf as well: "It's all air, it's hyperbole for rhetorical effect, of course he doesn't want to do these atrocious things for real!" Well guess how that turned out
>>2522378We're getting a full scale Kirchenkampf within the next couple years at this point, where the administration does their best to make a national patriotic brand of Christianity with extremely selective interpretation of the Bible, while brutally suppressing any churches that dont merge with the Church of MAGA or whatever they decide to call it
>>2522382This will have the effect of getting Gen Z men on board, as they find mainline, catholic, and even orthodox christianity to be unsuitable for their needs.
>>2522378Are they for or against the guy who raped a bunch of women on the roof?
>During the argument, Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh suggested that aspects of the 60-year-old Voting Rights Act might have an implicit sunset date
>>2522383We should just start calling them misogynistic, red pill, incel chuds. Worked the first time.
>>2522387No. I know you are being glib, but I think we need to learn from the occult and learn about Egregores. We must make a gen Z soyjak.
>>2522383Well sure, replacing Christianity with the Imperial Cult from Warhammer and turning all sermons into video compilations of Nazis marching to My Little Dark Age will attract all the worst sorts of people back to the church, but everyone else is going to think that's crazy and more importantly cringe. Like let's be real, nobody in their right mind would go to a church where the priest is garbed in some gold plated faux armor saying shit like "and Jesus said to suffer not the alien or the degenerate, and the disciples said that was BASED!"
>>2522391Yeah but I'm explicitly talking about Gen Z men. People who literally worship asmongold.
>>2522394I can assure you most well adjusted Gen Z men do not worship ass mongol
>>2522396I'm not talking about Zillenials. I'm talking about the 14-25 age range
>>2522392>I personally have 4 friends who have lost children to fentanylI bet all you want he has none.
>>2522397So am I, you are massively overstating the importance of streamers like Asmongold
>>2522385What? Can someone explain
When will the AI bubble crash?
>>2522267No but you give me contrapoints dressed as mad hatter vibes. The second the migrant worker peasant children were brought up, you talk about opression olympics. In america, many of the migrant worker peasant children have never left the field or factory since day they got here. Many never will.
>>2522402In the parts of the bible that amerikkkans like there is a guy who takes his dads slaves to the roof, gathers the whole town and rapes them publicly, not even for fun, just dominance reasons. psychotic.
>>2522399>I bet all you want he has none.You betray your sheltered nature. I'm not even burger and have lost count of the amount of opiate deaths around me through life.
>>2522405 (me)
>You betray your sheltered nature. I'm not even burger and have lost count of the amount of opiate deaths around me through life.Nevermind, i thought the twitter rando was saying this not quoting the trumpspawn.
>>2522405where are you from
>>2522408put out slop and the pigs eat from the trough
>>2522411Well people are having way less slop from other users. Clearly his slop is appealing to many.
>>2522412What is your opinion of islam.
>>2522405>I'm not even burger and have lost count of the amount of opiate deaths around me through life.bs. I live in a country who used to have the largest death per 100,000 habitants due to criminality and it was in its peak beyond 100, and I never knew one personal friend who had a family member killed by criminality.
and the US doesn't have that ratio, and it's the largest one.
you are bullshitting, now, why? dunno. are you being contrarion for the sakes of support whatever trump jr says?
>>2522408The thing is asmongold is the moderate wing of fascism. Nick Feuntes is going to go on Joe Rogan and then all men everywhere is going to be chudmaxxed. So many women are going to be raped, it's going to be unreal.
>>2522382>We're getting a full scale Kirchenkampf within the next couple years at this point, where the administration does their best to make a national patriotic brand of Christianity with extremely selective interpretation of the Bible, while brutally suppressing any churches that dont merge with the Church of MAGA or whatever they decide to call itIt's only fitting that the Burgerreich gets its own Positive Christianity. Who needs to wait for the farce when you can have both the farce and the tragedy at the same time?
>>2522391>Well sure, replacing Christianity with the Imperial Cult from Warhammer and turning all sermons into video compilations of Nazis marching to My Little Dark Age will attract all the worst sorts of people back to the church, but everyone else is going to think that's crazy and more importantly cringe. Like let's be real, nobody in their right mind would go to a church where the priest is garbed in some gold plated faux armor saying shit like "and Jesus said to suffer not the alien or the degenerate, and the disciples said that was BASED!"The sermons will be AI Charlie Kirk reporting in from the Galactic Federation Headquarters telling people that ivermectin and male vitality supplements cure bird flu and that vaccines are a Democrat/CCP conspiracy to turn your sons autistic and transgender.
Fentanyl isn't even coming from Venezuela lol
>Marjorie Taylor Greene, tearing into her own party, says GOP men in Congress are ‘weak’ “There’s a lot of weak Republican men and they’re more afraid of strong Republican women,” Greene said.
bahahah women really do run the world
>>2522428Of course he is. Peter Thiel really got what he wanted in the end of the day. The right is culturally ascendant for at least 100 years or so and he is basically a god-king of the world.
>>2522431I came to the realization she is running in 2028 a while ago, she will post herself as the true heir to maga while posing vance as of course a theil funded techno feudalist. she will say trump failed but she of course will win.
This will end up splitting MAGA in half and possibly lead to someone like rubio or desantis winning by taking advtange of the maga split
>>2522435>The right is culturally ascendant for at least 100 years or so and he is basically a god-king of the world.Their reign will be short lived once blowback kicks in and they're toppled.
>>2522444Their won't be blow back once the police adopt AI robots
>>2522444He'll still be a god king of a shitheap. As they say, better to be the head of a chicken than the butt of a pheonix.
>>2522428How are these two vapid femcels still angling for attention and getting bites X years later?
Just ignore them.
US is working on doubling aid to Argentina to $40 billion by tapping private funding sources
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-working-doubling-aid-argentina-184019740.html>>2522121>the mayor was corrupt>he was giving tax breaks to developers>in new york>in 1975new york in 1975 was full of derelict buildings and violent crime. old mate wanted to stimulate development on the basis that getting rid of derelict buildings and creating trade jobs would fix both problems. in the long run revitalizing the city and increasing the number of ratepayers would have paid the debts. this was within the authority of civic government. it was extremely radical of the banks to block credit to NYC when the city wasn't going anywhere and would always be able to service their debts. by blocking credit and forcing the city to restructure and pay down the debts they exacerbated the problem. exacerbating the problem served the wealthiest developers who could buy new york real estate at fire sale prices, because they still had access to credit.
it was an obvious beat up because they focused on the amount of debt and not what it was being incurred for. debt is fine when it's being used for growth.
incidentally this bankers coup is what trump owes his billions to.
>>2522468audio is missing
>>2522435>The right is culturally ascendant for at least 100 years or so >>2522444>Their reign will be short lived once blowback kicks in and they're toppled.I think it's like a wave motion or a pendulum swinging. It's not just shifts in politics and policy, but also culture and values and "identity." Right now, there's a counter-attack by traditionalist, socially conservative and authoritarian forces worldwide. But sooner or later, there will be a counter-tendency from the left (in a broad, general sense) and it might even be stronger than the right-wing wave that's all the rage right now.
COVID gave this whole process a real corkscrewed path. Trump probably lost in 2020 because of COVID, but it might have made people more fearful and conservative too. The pendulum got "stuck" to the right, but it might have also made the right-wing parties a bit more "establishment" or forced them into a more defensive posture. A lot of the free-form experimental and avant-garde aspects of the right (alt-right) have died off or been incorporated into the establishment now, but it also delayed the pendulum swing to the left, so we're stuck here at the moment.
>>2522382>>2522378funny that an american pope that more or less continues with franks universalism & social gospel is probably the best thing that could have happened for us in terms of putting a wedge between US catholics and the evangelists. might end up in a similar situation to brazil where the general political divide ends up mapping roughly along catholic/protestant lines. which isnt to say "based catholics!!!" or whatever, jusf in the sense that to get fully in the neoliberal, christian-zionist, populists-4-american hegemony camp more or less requires being an evangelical protestant
>>2522478>But sooner or later, there will be a counter-tendency from the left (in a broad, general sense) and it might even be stronger than the right-wing wave that's all the rage right nowI think youre coping. You propose this based on nothing. Name one point in modern history this has happened in america
>>2522478>But sooner or later, there will be a counter-tendency from the left (in a broad, general sense) and it might even be stronger than the right-wing wave that's all the rage right now.I just hope I survive long enough to see this.
>>2522435> for at least 100 yearsWhat's up with you people and this histrionic loser mentality? Christ.
>>2522474There are no friends only temporary alliances
>>2522485Being online all the time turns people into histrionic children with narrow horizons
>>2522499great. good to know AfD members can flee here to avoid political prosecution
>>2522499and after it is overhauled the next demokkkrat will not reverse it
>>2522499They make it easy for us, after the revolution we can just wall off Miami and there's your gulag with all of the assholes of the world already in it
>>2522499Great. It turns the USA into the concentration camp of all reactionaries. Our task as communists is then to annihilate the USA.
>>2522531Nyerere understood more in the 70s what American ‘leftists’ still do not understand.
>>2522478>the left (in a broad, general sense) You actually mean in your twisted, imperialist sense. I like how instead of revolution you talk of some magical
"social" democrat revival. Can you point to a point time in history when
"social" democrats didnt aid fascism like you in this moment with your illusions
>>2522532WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
I NEED TO LEAVE FIRST
>>2522525I fully agree both parties will support wars endlessly. I don't agree Democrats would support a policy to prioritize white immigrants and English speaking immigrants.
>>2522469that's how you know it's a 4klan repost
>>2522533There is nothing in his quote I disagree with. I am who mentioned the critique of Democrats. I am specifically talking about I don't believe Democrats would prioritize white immigrants and English speakers.
>>2522478Unironically until the left is able to harness the power of soyjaks (Or just nut up and call the right ugly faggots) the left will never be ascendant again. Being a rude prick works.
>>2522551>why is the left not ascendant<(PROCEEDS TO YAMMER ABOUT MEME MAGIC BULLSHIT)It boggles the mind
honkoid status?
>>2522558Projecting how online they are
>>2522478>there will be a counter-tendency from the left (in a broad, general sense) and it might even be stronger than the right-wing wave that's all the rage right now.
Because the right-wing is much more strategic. Look at how all these literal Nazis getting into the Republican party:
>>2522143>>2521505>>2521605Meanwhile, leftists are only on dead imageboards talking about how doing anything under capitalism is a mortal sin and that to achieve our aims, all we need to do is wait harder. The communist insurrection would've happened already if only people saved themselves
for marriage for the coming insurrection. The insane right believes all the same stupid shit. There will be the coming helter skelter and then they will get to kill all the race-traitors on the day of the rope, yet somehow they manage to actually do something besides RP in their private chats and online. Of course, the system is more geared to accommodate them in lots of ways, but the left just completely gives up on all forms of doing something and is solely geared towards:
>Wait for the spontaneous insurrection where the non-existant leftist parties will win the shootout.Really for all the talk of materialism, the farther you go left, the less materialist it becomes. It's all about vague sloganeering and purity-spiraling and circular firing squads. The insurrection will happen, and we will win, if only we believe hard enough. These clowns are even anti-union organizing.
>>2522539>I don't agree Democrats would support a policy to prioritize white immigrants and English speaking immigrants.1. Democrats were the party of Andrew Jackson, the party of the confederacy. Their abandonment of open and hostile white nationalist politics was temporary and opportunistic. They can and will go back to their old ways whenever they want.
2. Their strategy since the 80s has been public vociferous rhetorical opposition to Republicans while "working with them" and "reaching across the aisle" behind the scenes to "get things done."
3. Increasingly they're actually embracing white identity politics again, something that was evident in MSNBC's coverage of the beginning of the Ukraine war. You had pundits saying stuff like "this isn't like Iraq or Afghanistan, this is big deal. We have to take these refugees in." Biden sent ICE to whip Haitians on horseback, remember? Meanwhile ICE under Biden turned a blind eye to Ukrainians overstaying their visas….
because they're white.The biggest fear driving white identity politics is the fear of "great replacement" by the "brown hordes" fleeing the consequences of US foreign policy and human-driven climate change. So naturally, both overt white nationalists and covert white nationalists are putting pressure on both bourgeois parties to limit the number of brown people who get into the country and maximize the number of white people. This is entirely in line with America's past and not a real change from "who we are." It's only a change from who we temporarily pretended to be during the 20th century.
>>2522563Bringing up Andrew Jackson is nonsense.
>>2522551>meme magic>aesthetics>childish hostilityhow about
<education<agitation<organization >>2522562>Really for all the talk of materialism, the farther you go left, the less materialist it becomes.Pseud take
>>2522564didn't read past the first sentence award
grasped onto the first straw that annoyed you and ignored the rest award
>>2522562Contra sucks but she was dead on about a particular type of leftist
Like look at this thread right now. What are people talking about? Fucking meme magic bullshit.
Yes, if Mandani were to post soyjaks at everybody instead of actually talking about issues, he would surely be destroying cuomo in the polls even harder!
I wonder if we have a lot of newfriends lately because there is a lot of sudden naive hope in social democrats and even regular democrats that I thought was stamped out the user base by now.
>>2522562And not only do they advocate doing nothing,
well maybe they'll say "organize" but no word on what those organizations are they endorse but they are most furious about anyone who calls themselves some brand of leftist doing anything.
Even if this magical day of the rope, day of the communist insurrection, magically happens(it won't) there is no way they win. Bro, they didn't win in Germany against the Nazis, no way if the country turned to internal turmoil the country wouldn't just end up even more right and fascist.
>>2522551The Left is perfectly capable of harnessing memes. Problem is you can't go full memelord without the "Ideological Victim" side of the Left getting angry at you for fatshaming or whatever. The Right has a monopoly on that kind of shit because the Left holds itself to an impossible standard of civility even against our enemies. Remember how many libs were shitting themselves over "the online left" deadnaming Bruce Jenner or calling Candace Owens a house uygha? You can't mock anything these days without liberals getting mad at you.
>>2522567I kinda see the point of promoting memes because the public has a pretty short attention span. They don't want to be educated they want to be entertained. If you want to win you have to use the tactics that work, not the tactics you want to work.
>>2522574>I wonder if we have a lot of newfriends lately because there is a lot of sudden naive hope in social democrats and even regular democrats that I thought was stamped out the user base by now.I've been here since 8ch so I am very familiar with your type and your non-arguments. Dude you won't even leave your basement. There is no way you ever win an armed conflict.
>>2522573Hongra never had a single good take about anything
>>2522574Literally saying that I don't believe Democrats want to prioritize white immigrants and English speaking ones is not shilling for Democrats.
>>2522557>>2522567Meme magic doesn't (literally) exist, but do you know what does exist? The fucking spectacle. We cannot escape it, it already happened and there is no escape from it either, so we must just control the spectacle for our own ends. That is what I got from the society of the spectacle. There will never be a way for us to go back to pre-spectacular times. So we must make do.
>>2522579Exactly. It's infuriating.
>Trump: "I want to thank Stephen Miller I would love to have him come up and explain his true feelings. Maybe not his truest feelings. That might be going a little too far."
>>2522582The fuck is a hongra
>>2522300next thread image worthy
>>2522574See Sanderistas 2016 and 2020. They always show up when a socdem arrives. Look at when Fetterman won and we had resident users praising him and dismissing anyone opposed to him until he showed his true colors and they looked like fools. They will always believe in socdems and just put their heads jn the sand when the socdem backstabs them in America like they have been doing for the past decade
>>2522596refusing to believe the donkey party will get worse is literally the definition of placing false hope in them lol
President Donald Trump is renewing his threats against New York City, suggesting he'll withhold federal funds and deploy the National Guard, as he did in other major cities, if Zohran Mamdani is elected mayor.
Speaking Tuesday at the White House, Trump hurled insults at the Democratic candidate anew.
"We have a Communist, 33 years old, doesn't know a thing, probably never worked a day in his life, and he sort of caught on. I'm not going to send a lot of money to New York," Trump said. "We're not going to ruin one of our great cities, because we'll make that great. We will clean up the crime in about 30 days."
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/new-york-city/trump-mamdani-nyc-mayor-national-guard-send-troops-funding-threat/6405053/>>2522598I never said it won't get worse. I am Speaking specifically about prioritizing white immigrants and English speakers. I am talking about nothing else. I am sure there are a thousands other things they can worse on
>>2522564It isn't nonsense at all. Democrats have a sophisticated white identity politics that simply abhor the "white trash" but do not want browns in their neighborhoods and prefer the trash to deal with it. That is their mindset.
>>2522603Trvke
They support black people as long as they stay away from them
>>2522602>I am Speaking specifically about prioritizing white immigrantsThey prioritized Ukrainians and called them civilized and not normal refugees, which they envisioned as brown. Same for any balkans or any European war that causes white refugees. They love putting them as faces of immigration
Pam Bondi labels Antifa ‘no different’ than MS-13 gang and tells Americans to check with MAGA influencers to back up her claims
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/bondi-antifa-gang-maga-influencers-b2846067.html>>2522563>Biden sent ICE to whip Haitians on horseback, remember? Meanwhile ICE under Biden turned a blind eye to Ukrainians overstaying their visas…. because they're white.no but i remember that from trump and also biden letting it another million non whites
>>2522593And what are you doing? I presume you've been on this board for a whole decade now. So how much have you organized in this time? Do you even own a firearm?
republicans are the only non racist americans
>>2522608Show me the Democrat politicians who called Ukrainian refugees civilized ones not like the other normal refugees. Show me that quote. Take your time
I personally, would never, ever, even touch a firearm. But here's an original /leftypol/ kinda thought:
>What if we convinced all the gangs and other lumpen in America to overthrow the government for us?
It just might work.
>>2522613You did not even dispute anything that was said
>>2522597
Literally the only time the Left has been anything remotely close to mainstream in America was when BernieBros were shilling him endlessly with memes. And it failed because boomers don't like free healthcare, but still. If you can't even win at basic marketing of your ideas no amount of "educating" will make people side with you. Stop talking down to people and just engage them at their level.
>>2522624I accepted your premise as true. So why don't you show me the way?
U.S. President Donald Trump confirmed reports on Wednesday that he authorized the CIA to conduct covert operations in Venezuela, marking a sharp escalation in U.S. efforts to pressure President Nicolas Maduro's government.
The New York Times first reported the classified directive, citing U.S. officials familiar with the decision
Trump said he authorized the action because large amounts of drugs were entering the United States from Venezuela, much of it trafficked by sea.
"We are looking at land now, because we've got the sea very well under control," Trump said.
Trump was asked why he did not have the Coast Guard stop suspected drug trafficking boats, which has been U.S. practice for decades. Trump called such efforts "politically correct" and said they had not worked.
"I think Venezuela is feeling heat," Trump said, although he declined to answer when asked if the CIA has the authority to execute Maduro.
Trump also accused Venezuela of releasing large numbers of prisoners, including individuals from mental health facilities, into the United States, although he did not specify which border they were crossing
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-confirms-cia-authorization-venezuela-2025-10-15/>>2522562>the far left isn't even unionizing! I don't disagree with the idea that things need to be done and armchairing is gay but you are obviously out of your element when talking about this.
People (REAL people, not this vague idea of a person that you can only get through anonymous internet interaction) are acting and preparing, but communists in America are a tiny, tiny minority through extensive and violent campaigns of repression. Not to mention that the number of people who are class conscious, willing, and able to act are not the whole of this small population. ALL actions under the American regime MUST be clandestine. Even under the Tsar, Lenin had to bite his tongue and censor himself in his own writings, so why is it that we must hold ourselves to the standards of our enemy and their brazen actions? What purpose does this serve outside of satisfying some reactionary desire to Stick It To The Man without actually working towards laying some of the material foundations needed to realize our goal? This backseat coaching from someone not even playing in the proverbial game serves nothing other than to stroke your ego.
We live in the most complex surveillance state in the world, with a near infinite amount of resources available. Unions have been quashed and co-opted, electoralism is downright laughable, Democratic Socialists have been proven up and down to be working on the side of capital, people working with a public face among popular movements are routinely blackbagged and murdered, so what's left?
I want to leave this open to you, what exactly do YOU want done that hasn't already been attempted and isn't fundamentally clandestine (and therefore invisible to you)?
>>2522424>So many women are going to be raped, it's going to be unreal.Fetish posting.
>>2522619Bob Menendez and multiple democrat representatives made Ukrainians have priority settlement. Something that wasn't done for other groups. You are falling for their type of identity politics. They do not say it publicly because it is uncouth they do it through their actions. Also to showcase this, even AOC mentioned the difference in treatment of Ukrainians even by her fellow democrats
Journalists turn in access badges, exit Pentagon rather than agree to new reporting rules
WASHINGTON (AP) — Dozens of reporters turned in access badges and exited the Pentagon on Wednesday rather than agree to government-imposed restrictions on their work, pushing journalists who cover the American military further from the seat of its power. The U.S. government has called the new rules “common sense.”
News outlets were nearly unanimous in rejecting new rules imposed by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that would leave journalists vulnerable to expulsion if they sought to report on information — classified or otherwise — that had not been approved by Hegseth for release.
Many of the reporters waited to leave together at a 4 p.m. deadline set by the Defense Department to get out of the building. As the hour approached, boxes of documents lined a Pentagon corridor and reporters carried chairs, a copying machine, books and old photos to the parking lot from suddenly abandoned workspaces. Shortly after 4, about 40 to 50 journalists left together after handing in badges.
Speaking to reporters at the White House on Tuesday, Trump backed his defense secretary’s new rules. “I think he finds the press to be very disruptive in terms of world peace,” Trump said. “The press is very dishonest.”
The Pentagon Press Association, which has 101 members representing 56 news outlets, has spoken out against the rules. Organizations from across the media spectrum, from legacy organizations like The Associated Press and The New York Times to conservative outlets like Fox and Newsmax, told their reporters to leave instead of signing the new rules.
Only the conservative One America News Network signed on. Its management likely believes it will have greater access to Trump administration officials by showing its support, Gabrielle Cuccia, a former Pentagon reporter who was fired by OANN earlier this year for writing an online column criticizing Hegseth’s media policies, told the AP in an interview.
https://apnews.com/article/pentagon-press-access-hegseth-trump-restrictions-5d9c2a63e4e03b91fc1546bb09ffbf12>>2522637Show me the quotes please
>>2522640So how exactly do I join these real revolutionary groups?
>>2522625>boomers don't like free healthcarethey actually want free healthcare but they retract their support as soon as a blonde with double D tits on fox news tells them it will go to illeagull miggerants
President Donald Trump on Wednesday said he’s casting his focus on San Francisco as one of the next cities on his list of places where he’s looking to deploy the National Guard.
In a meeting at the White House with FBI Director Kash Patel, Trump called San Francisco “a mess” and said he is encouraging his administration to start looking at the city for future federal law enforcement interventions.
https://www.kqed.org/news/12060033/trump-calls-out-san-francisco-as-next-target-for-national-guard-deployment>>2522650Literally same person as I quote below is advocating for haitian refugees who are not white and I don't see anywhere in that writing that he says Ukrainian are more civilized than other normal refugees
>Menendez, Senate Democrats Blast Mistreatment of Haitian Migrants at Border; Urge Administration to Support Long-Term Stability in Haitihttps://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/dem/release/menendez-senate-democrats-blast-mistreatment-of-haitian-migrants-at-border-urge-administration-to-support-long-term-stability-in-haiti“The administration must commit to racial equity in its immigration policy and address the anti-Black racism that disproportionately impacts Haitian migrants at the border,” said Senator Bob Menendez, Democrat of New Jersey and the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. He and others pointed to the swift action that the United States took to allow Ukrainians into the country as they fled the Russian invasion.
“We have not seen a single new policy to address the high number of displaced Haitians in the Western Hemisphere,” Mr. Menendez added, “other than to expel them as quickly as possible.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/us/politics/haiti-migrants-biden.htmlman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a written statement.
“As Haiti passes through an acute political and security crisis and faces enduring humanitarian challenges, this decision provides urgently needed protections for eligible Haitians in the United States,” he said.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/22/us-to-extend-temporary-deportation-protection-haitians >>2522658These are not Democrat politicians which is what I asked about and what the person specifically said to me. This was their words
>prioritized Ukrainians and called them civilized and not normal refugees, which they envisioned as brown >>2522661>centrist liberal media in the US isn't effectively the mouthpiece of the democratic partyOK
>>2522663This is not what I said.
>>2522637did biden nor air lift all those afghan collaborators out?
>>2522664where can I most easily find transcripts of things that US politicians said in February and March of 2022. I will happily dig through them for a better answer.
>>2522665Joedolf Bidler saw them as honorary Ameryans
Biden administration gives temporary protected status to 309,000 more Haitian migrants
The move will shield an additional 309,000 Haitians living in the U.S. from deportation back to Haiti, where widespread gang violence continues.
https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/biden-admin-gives-protected-status-309000-haitians-rcna159438The Trump administration's effort to strip hundreds of thousands of Venezuelan and Haitian migrants of legal protections is unlawful, a US judge says.
The ruling by District Judge Edward Chen sets aside the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) attempt to end temporary protected status (TPS) for people from countries experiencing conditions that make it dangerous to return.
It will allow around 600,000 Venezuelans and 500,000 Haitians to continue living and working legally in the US. The DHS has indicated it will appeal the decision.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3vzknpywp4oignore that post
i unintentionally copied the whole page it seems
>>2522668didn't the scotus already decid the matter and ruled in favor of the executive branch?
>>2522578Sanger has a concrete proposal to fix Wikipedia’s systemic bias: he calls it “The Nine Theses.”
Among other things, he recommends the site end decision-making by “consensus;” enable competing Wikipedia articles on the same topic; abolish source blacklists; revive the site’s original neutrality policy; repeal a rule called “ignore all rules;” reveal who Wikipedia’s leaders are; allow the public to rate articles; end indefinite blocking; and adopt a legislative process to determine the site’s rules.
Sanger recommends Wikipedia’s leadership have a “face-to-face” meeting where each person gets one vote to determine how the site should run.
He encourages more people to sign up on Wikipedia and engage in discussions about the site.
“There needs to be a lot more public participation,” he notes. “Wikipedia is like an open polity—you can actually participate in it.”
He encourages more people—not just American conservatives, but users in the global south, Hindus, Christians, and Jews—to sign up and edit articles on Wikipedia, while carefully following the rules.
“It’s time to stop complaining about it and start doing something about it,” he says.
If Sanger’s campaign for internal changes fails, he says Congress may need to intervene.
He notes that Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 grants platforms like Wikipedia some immunity for content. This protects Wikipedia from claims of libel and defamation.
“If there’s no recourse for libel in this sort of system because the platform is allowed to have anonymity even among the top editorial authorities in Wikipedia,” Sanger says.
“There are carve-outs that can be made,” he suggests. While he says such a change is “not my top choice,” he suggests it may end up being the only viable option.
>>2522659Your looking at the rhetoric and not the actions that they perform. They were faster with the Ukrainians and wanted more of them than the Haitians who they abused at the border with whips and the Afghans which was a symbol of humiliation.
Some here want to try so hard to downplay the outrageous shit Republicans are currently doing and both sides. What the trump admin is doing now is 10000x worse than first admin. I didn't care at all about first admin. Right now it is day after day abhorrent things and some here want to to just try to shut down critique of it and say Democrats would do exactly the same and that it is normal and has always happened. No. There are things being done right now that can be acknowledged as terrible and new lately. This does not mean you love Democrats to say it. This does not mean you are some vote blue no matter who shill. Some here are so scared of looking cringe that they will attack who gives the slightest critique of what is happening as overly unique and bad.
>>2522675You literally quoted rhetoric then criticize me for rhetoric. You said specifically that guy never associated for non whites and I gave you multiple examples that he did.
>>2522661If we are talking about the base, yes those college educated democratic whites did care more about Ukrainians than non-whites by far
>>2522678Menendez wanted points against the administration at a time of getting investigated for corruption. But his actions showed he did not care about Haitians but made a bold stand for Ukrainians
>>2522672 (me)
>>2522668yes, they did. in November so many people will be deported, it'll be insane.
Trump administration said Wednesday it is withholding $40.6 million from California in federal transportation funding for failing to comply with truck driver English proficiency rules.
The U.S. Transportation Department had warned California, Washington state, and New Mexico in August that they could lose funding unless they adopt English proficiency requirements for commercial truck driver
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-withholds-406-million-california-over-truck-driver-english-proficiency-2025-10-15/>>2522681Yes it's terrible
U.S. President Donald Trump signed an order on Wednesday directing the Pentagon to ensure active-duty military personnel are paid despite the federal government shutdown, the White House said, addressing one of the most sensitive issues in the bitter standoff over federal spending.
Trump directed Pentagon chief Pete Hegseth "to use for the purpose of pay and allowances any funds appropriated by the Congress that remain available for expenditure in Fiscal Year 2026 to accomplish the scheduled disbursement of military pay and allowances for active duty military personnel," according to text of the executive order shared by the White House on social media.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-signs-order-pay-troops-during-us-government-shutdown-2025-10-15/>>2522629>marking a sharp escalation in U.S. efforts to pressure President Nicolas Maduro's government.I like the limpdicked wording here. They aren't "pressuring" his government, they're trying to kill him, overthrow the government, and put in a compliant client regime. They accused him of running cartels without proof, killed Venezuelan Civilians on boats, and there is nothing Maduro can do to calm the raging burger reich down. "Pressure" would imply that Maduro has a way to de-escalate the situation
>>2522681So how many of these people getting sent back are going to be hired for a CIA plotused to agitate and overthrow Bolivarian Venezuela
>>2522686SMH, probably many.
>>2522685Maduro should grab a nuke from Russia or China
The Trump administration plans to expand the government’s role in strategic industries by taking ownership stakes in additional companies, stockpiling critical minerals and using its purchasing power to shape corporate spending choices, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said Wednesday.
The treasury secretary, who routinely disparages the public sector as inefficient and unwieldy, said Washington needed to be more active in five to seven key industries as part of its response to the competitive challenge posed by China.
Greater domestic mining and processing of rare earth minerals, which are essential for products such as smartphones, jet engines, medical devices and electric vehicle motors, are an especially urgent priority, Bessent said. On Friday, China announced new restrictions on its rare earth exports, which prompted President Donald Trump to threaten additional 100 percent tariffs on Chinese products beginning Nov. 1.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/10/15/trump-targets-strategic-industries/>>2522689yankee socialism
U.S. President Donald Trump said Wednesday he may attend the Supreme Court's oral arguments in a major case where justices will consider whether he has the unilateral power to impose sweeping tariffs — a major aspect of his trade agenda.
Speaking Wednesday from the Oval Office, President Trump called it "one of the most important cases ever brought" before the Supreme Court, arguing tariffs help protect American jobs and national security.
"That's why I think I'm going to go to the Supreme Court to watch it," he said. "I've not done that, and I had some pretty big cases."
BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) — A federal judge on Wednesday dismissed a lawsuit from young climate activists seeking to block President Donald Trump’s executive orders promoting fossil fuels and discouraging renewable energy.
U.S. District Judge Dana Christensen said the plaintiffs showed overwhelming evidence climate change affects them and that it will worsen as a result of Trump’s orders.
But Christensen concluded their request for the courts to intervene was “unworkable” because it was beyond the power of the judiciary to create environmental policies.
The 22 plaintiffs included youths who prevailed in a landmark climate trial against the state of Montana in 2023. During a two-day hearing last month in Missoula, the activists and experts who testified on their behalf described Trump’s actions to boost drilling and mining and discourage renewable energy as a growing danger to children and the planet.
Legal experts said the young activists and their lawyers from the environmental group Our Children’s Trust faced long odds in the federal case. The Montana state constitution declares that people have a “right to a clean and healthful environment,” but that language is absent from the U.S. Constitution.
https://apnews.com/article/youth-climate-lawsuit-trump-fossil-fuels-montana-5052c17a809cce4583d17a3204511a18>>2522688and get invaded way before the first nuclear military technicians ever step on the country? I dunno. On the planet, we don't have the USSR with the same frenzy and dick energy in neither China or Russia.
Trump Invites Ballroom Donors to Glitzy White House Dinner
Event set to include representatives from Lockheed Martin, Microsoft, Meta, Google, Amazon.com and Palantir
WASHINGTON—More than three dozen organizations and individuals, including companies with business before the federal government, are expected to attend a dinner with President Trump on Wednesday evening after opening their checkbooks to support the new $250 million ballroom under construction at the White House.
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-ballroom-donors-white-house-dinner-ccba9448Bessent says bailout for Argentina will double to boost U.S. influence in region
The Trump administration is arranging another $20 billion infusion from banks and sovereign wealth funds to prop up the flailing Argentine peso.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/10/15/us-argentina-bailout-bessent/>By taking the unusual step of reopening arguments, legal experts believe, the court’s far-right majority may have telegraphed its intent to dismantle Section 2. If it falls, the impact will reverberate far beyond Louisiana, reshaping political power across the entire country.
<Combined with Donald Trump and Republicans’ ongoing gerrymandering power grab, gutting Section 2 could help secure an additional 27 safe GOP U.S. House seats—at least 19 directly tied to the loss of Section 2. According to a new analysis from Fair Fight Action (where I am senior director of communications) and Black Voters Matter Fund, it’s enough to cement one-party control of the House for at least a generation
>>2522721the teacher was just following orders 💀💀💀
>>2522721Why dont you retards just get a national curriculum?
>>2522721Proles need to take control of their own education again.
>>2522726Give it a couple years and Prager U might be enforced across the nation
>>2522726There kind of is, but the biggest problem is the Christian lobby and the business lobby, both of which want to destroy public education as such.
Trump said trafficking attempts by sea are "very well under control," but the military will now look to land. "Every boat that we knock out, we save 25,000 American lives," he said.
When asked if the CIA has the authority to "take out" Maduro, Trump said: "That's a ridiculous question. Not really a ridiculous question, but wouldn't it be a ridiculous question for me to answer?"
https://www.axios.com/2025/10/15/trump-venezuela-cia-maduro-covert-action>>2522721I'm gonna be honest the American education system was already in a hopeless state back in the 90's and youth enthusiasm/engagement with education has only gone down since then. Kids literally don't care what propaganda you feed them in school, they're only going because they have to or to talk to friends. Some alt-right tiktoker or twitch streamer is their primary source of information.
>>2522732>When asked if the CIA has the authority to "take out" Maduro, Trump said: "That's a ridiculous question. Not really a ridiculous question, but wouldn't it be a ridiculous question for me to answer?"If Trump wasn't president and was instead just the press secretary he'd be so damn good at his job lmao.
>>2522721>>2522728The thing is it's petit bourgeois parents who have the time and energy to get involved and hassle the school board about what to teach kids, and those people are all hitlerites.
>>2522732So that's a yes then
>>2522705>>2522743psyop: "so secret, we made it public". also, they've been trying for years with covert cia actions to overthrow Chavez project. since 2002, in fact.
>>2522750Every guy named Aiden posts shit like this
>>2522752She's only wrong because she thinks the coming jihad is bad for us
>>2522640>>2522644You can act and prepare as well. This doesn't have to exclude you. At any given time you can start speaking to those around you, push them towards class consciousness, and find some few individuals who you can trust to work with you. The only form of action that is not inherently vulnerable to the state apparatus are atomized independent cells working independently of one another towards the same goal.
Is your disagreement in the idea that our numbers are tiny? Or is it that action must be clandestine? (and therefore any action being taken right now is outside of your perception unless you are partaking in it)
If it's the latter, could you explain to me the actual reason behind it? What says that a group (or loose network of individuals) are not preparing, and why the current material conditions don't necessitate secrecy to shield itself from incursion and destruction by any variety of means?
If you wish for me to wave a photo in your face of people in balaclavas holding up firearms with a flag in the background and shout "SEE! SEE!! IT'S HAPPENING, HERE'S PROOF! JOIN UP WITH THE XYZMAOISTEVANREIFMURDERBRIGADE!" or point to some act of terror that can be linked to any given group (which would therefore defeat the purpose of clandestine action in this state of affairs) then we're at a fundamental disconnect and I urge you to not even bother responding.
I also want to clarify that EVERYONE should be doing or at least readying themselves to begin undertaking these clandestine preparations, and when/if you do there is no need to reveal yourself. Feds are real, and the looming threat of their existence requires you to think critically and carefully about all actions. NO revolution will simply Happen, if it ever does come to fruition it will be because ACTION was taken and that action is only made possible when you, yes YOU take the plunge and accept part of that responsibility on yourself. This isn't a call to adventurism, I do not think you should fall prey to the GLADIO backed ideal that extreme murderous terroristic action must be carried out indefinitely until the enemy waves the white flag. This has already failed a million times over, but responsibility lies on the shoulders of anyone who is able and possesses the necessary class conscious.
This fact shouldn't upset anyone, and I am not trying to do an Iron Felix-esque grandstand about it either.
The back and forth of
>Guys we should ACT!! YOU'RE ALL RETARDED FOR NOT ACTING!!<What are YOU DOING?? SHOW ME ONE PLACE YOU'VE BOMBED YOU FUCKING LARPER!!is something that should never seriously be entertained.
Those who are capable and willing to engage will (most definitely in silence if it's to survive), and those who can't/won't/aren't are not the defining force (and they can always change this if the only thing restricting them is personal choice/will) but they are simply the loudest voice given current repressive conditions. Nobody will partake in action until they themselves are willing and ready, and I don't think it's productive in any sense to try and chastise them into action.
My point (here
>>2522634 ) is that this public facing aspect of 'the left' doesn't represent the reality on the ground and to make claim that "EVERYONE is an Armchair! The Left just wants to complain and be puritans!" serves no other purpose than to demoralize those few who come here in earnest.
>>2522750wait, the GOP cares about face of value?
>>2522751Aidan*
>>2522752loomer wants so badly for it to be post 9/11 again when people hated muslims, but muslims are like one percent of the population and most people dont give a fuck
>>2522752it will be interest to see nyc crash and burn even harder when a succdem gets in office
<Trump: "We're already in a trade war with China."
>>2522745im drinking trader joe's™ matcha right now
Trump Team Plans IRS Overhaul to Enable Pursuit of Left-Leaning Groups
Effort would install at the IRS’s criminal unit an ally of President Trump who has drawn up a list of investigative targets
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-irs-investigations-left-leaning-groups-democratic-donors->>2522780That Link is BUNK anon
>>2522726burgerreich has a rich history of anti-federalism which means locals get to decide whatever batshit curriculum and reproductive rights and theocracy they want. i.e. "These" united states vs. "The" united states. i.e. each star its own country
>>2522756>The only form of action that is not inherently vulnerable to the state apparatus are atomized independent cells working independently of one another towards the same goal.>Is your disagreement in the idea that our numbers are tiny? Or is it that action must be clandestine? (and therefore any action being taken right now is outside of your perception unless you are partaking in it) Bro, what separates your vague claims that some underground cells who you can't point to and name or what they're doing any different from QAnon posting?
>Patriots Revolutionaries are in control>Trust the plan!>WWG1WGA!Besides even whether any such thing exists, you can't even speak about it in a hypothetical sense. What could an underground cell achieve? How many people would you need? What is the general strategy behind this plan?
>If it's the latter, could you explain to me the actual reason behind it? What says that a group (or loose network of individuals) are not preparing, and why the current material conditions don't necessitate secrecy to shield itself from incursion and destruction by any variety of means?
>If you wish for me to wave a photo in your face of people in balaclavas holding up firearms with a flag in the background and shout "SEE! SEE!! IT'S HAPPENING, HERE'S PROOF! JOIN UP WITH THE XYZMAOISTEVANREIFMURDERBRIGADE!" or point to some act of terror that can be linked to any given group (which would therefore defeat the purpose of clandestine action in this state of affairs) then we're at a fundamental disconnect and I urge you to not even bother responding. Bro….
What says that Jesus has not already been reborn on this Earth and he will soon usher in the Messianic Age? Are you serious?
>I also want to clarify that EVERYONE should be doing or at least readying themselves to begin undertaking these clandestine preparations, and when/if you do there is no need to reveal yourself. Feds are real, and the looming threat of their existence requires you to think critically and carefully about all actions. NO revolution will simply Happen, if it ever does come to fruition it will be because ACTION was taken and that action is only made possible when you, yes YOU take the plunge and accept part of that responsibility on yourself. This isn't a call to adventurism, I do not think you should fall prey to the GLADIO backed ideal that extreme murderous terroristic action must be carried out indefinitely until the enemy waves the white flag. This has already failed a million times over, but responsibility lies on the shoulders of anyone who is able and possesses the necessary class conscious. Where is your responsibility? You can't even speak on what these imaginary underground cells would or should be doing hypothetically?
>My point (here >>2522634 ) is that this public facing aspect of 'the left' doesn't represent the reality on the ground and to make claim that "EVERYONE is an Armchair! The Left just wants to complain and be puritans!" serves no other purpose than to demoralize those few who come here in earnest.Patriots are in control. Trust the plan. WWG1WGA.
>>2522750Maybe bdsm gay sex?
>>2522562The left exist outside of leftypol, we’re pretty much the deformed twin kept in the attic barely spoken of. Our problem, not the left in general. Is that we should be making this image board an alternative to mainstream social media. For all its faults this site has a ton of potential and there’s no ads. A revolution is the sum of many parts and if we as a community want to bring about change we need to use the resources we have to facilitate in the way we can. A sort of each according to their need and ability type deal. Some smart ass prolly said it better.
>>2522292sorry eric, that falls a bit short of what glowing woke porky asked of you
>>2522783I think all waters down to the federal capacity to promote their curriculum, within the "public" funded schools, v. local, and state "funded" schools and private schools. in the end you can enforce it with a federal tight-knit control.
dubya already tried to impose creationism in schools, which reflects the capacity of the federal government to impose everything, but I think if they had won, pastafarism would have been imposed too. they will try it again, and I am sure they will win with the scotus they have.
>>2522799>The left exist outside of leftypol, we’re pretty much the deformed twin kept in the attic barely spoken of. Yeah people like Mamdani and everyone else the idiots on this site feel superior to.
>Our problem, not the left in general. Is that we should be making this image board an alternative to mainstream social media. For all its faults this site has a ton of potential and there’s no ads. A revolution is the sum of many parts and if we as a community want to bring about change we need to use the resources we have to facilitate in the way we can. A sort of each according to their need and ability type deal. Some smart ass prolly said it better.Look dude, I'm just asking you since you are saying, if I'm understanding you correctly, that the left should or are forming their own left-wing militias and other such groups that will seize the moment when, I don't know, I guess the country reaches such a level of crisis point that you're going to go out and start having a shootout with your enemies and blowing shit up and whatever. Am I getting this right? I'm trying to understand what you're advocating for in the barest sense really.
>A revolution is the sum of many parts and if we as a community want to bring about change we need to use the resources we have to facilitate in the way we can. A sort of each according to their need and ability type deal. Some smart ass prolly said it better.What resources? Facilitating how? How does this lead to the successful insurrection where the Bolsheviks seize control of the country or whatever?
>>2522799>we should be making this image board an alternative to mainstream social media.Agree. But suggesting anything positive gets langleybots to shriek at you about how much they need a place to shitpost or board culture or some other shit to justify leftypol's slow, pathetic destruction.
>>2522804Btw fox news is also not signing
>>2522804>>2522807even newsmax is not signing, kek. and they are only behind OAN in dickriding trump.
I'm starting to think leftypol just makes us stupider and more insular and unwilling to organize.
Maybe it's time to leave the nest and try my hand at arguing with normies irl instead of sitting here debating armchair basement dwellers.
>Trump is now joking about his military strikes against boats off the coast of Venezuela. The administration has said those boats are transporting drugs but has provided few details about who was on the vessels at the time of the strikes and relatively thin legal justifications for its campaign. “We had a lot of drugs coming in by water and that stopped,” Trump said. “In fact nobody wants to go fishing anymore. No one wants to do anything near the water. They might have a beautiful boat and they might as well get rid of their boat because they’re very nervous,” Trump said in front of the audience of corporate executives and wealthy businessmen.“It’s amazing the way a victory can change the minds of some people,” Trump says as he acknowledges that some of the business leaders in the crowd opposed him in the past but have rushed to support him as he has amassed power.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/10/15/us/trump-shutdown-news >>2522805>What resources?Leftypol is itself a resource that has in the past shown its value in connecting like minded individuals and providing them with information, educational tools, and a place to share and critique ideas. It's always been relatively small, but at one time it was very influential in spite of that. The ghost of leftypol still haunts /pol/ and r/socialism.
>Facilitating how?In its 8chan days leftypol was a very dynamic place that connected a lot of creative and studious people. It was a discussion hub, educational platform, and media factory, with a userbase that believed in revolutionary Socialism and wasn't embarrassed about wanting to learn about, discuss, and share that in a plethora of exciting and inventive ways.
In the past decade the trend online has been away from the open and informative internet to a heavily censored and surveiled walled garden of purchasing platforms, astro turfed social media dungeons, and ever more gratuitous ai slop.
Leftypol has the potential to be a real oasis on the internet for actual socialists to work, discuss, snd share. One of its biggest strengths back in the day was just how literate its userbase was and how if you had a question about just about anything historical, philosophical, or especially related to Socialism, someone could tell you about it and usually would share a bunch of book recommendations, or even give you the files directly.
Leftypol is a fantastic resource that is being underutilized because it's become dominated by either a bunch of pessimistic no hopers that seek to assuage their pitiful impotence by insisting that nothing is worth doing but shitposting, langley wreckers, or both, and it's killing what used to be the most vibrant socialist space on the internet.
>>2522815It absolutely does. Im convinced imageboards make you stupid
>>2522499if some fuckass israeli or south african or euroreactoid moves to my hood they getting persecuted and reported to ICE daily. Bricks through the window and burning effigies all that shit
>>2522823I don't think it does. I think the main problem here is that the people in charge refuse to moderate this place like an actual forum, which means doing the hard work of cultivating debate and regulating troublemakers, which always makes people start shrieking about how imageboards are supposed to be places where you act like the biggest dickhead possible and there are never supposed to be any consequences.
>>2522386>law written in plain English >a weepy groper who got placed on the court by a rapist pedophile billionaire conviently decides the law sunsetsThe last person who respects the supreme court is a demented 95 year old who earnestly believes that the current year is 1956
>>2522821I wish I knew about newmultitudes sooner so I could have chipped in either money or tried developing my research and writing skills por La Causa
>>2522831They're gonna launch missiles at the protesters, happening bros we're so back
>>2522832It's not too late.
>>2522831>Meidas touch news.<Trump may launch missiles from warships into California>The article doesn't even say that outside of the headlinehttps://meidasnews.com/news/exclusive-trump-may-launch-missiles-from-warships-into-california-this-friday-and-saturday-as-part-of-vanity-parade->Unconfirmed reports suggest the Pentagon may authorize live naval ordnance demonstrations off the Southern California coast during the celebration. Clown journalism, clown news, clown governor, clown president, clown country.
>>2522831Newscum is such a wet diaper. Trump is talking about launching missiles into his state and his response is "um that would be kind of rude." God I hate liberals.
>>2522808holy shit Bernie somehow looks even older than usual
>>2522844so they are just saying a lot of nothing lmao seems like a desperate attempt to stop people from panicking
In a contest between sam hyde and nick feuntes I can certainly imagine there being a level of edgy millennial prestige with hyde but what is the nick's appeal? He seems boring as fuck
>>2522853Fuentes is actually kind of charming. Mr. Hyde, is just a disgusting 4chan freak. Absolutely repulsive(but on purpose! So you can't call him out for being a hideous mutant!) Can't stand Hyde.
>He seems boring as fuckHe probably would've grown out of being an edgelord by now if not his whole career and everything is based of it. Seems like he's not really into it anymore.
>>2522856Maybe I just relate to hyde more, he is a hateful cunt and so am I.
>>2522842Newsom can make a [redacted] based on the material that went through a meltdown at the Santa Susana Field Laboratory if he wanted to but he’s gonna be liberal and cuck out.
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>>2522805The left should be building all kinds of institutions and infrastructure. Always and forever and never be stopping. Leftypol isn’t a gun club or bar you can recruit soldiers from, so idk what you’re really asking.
>>2522863Why is he on so much TRT now? It seems like every chud these days is just some sort of jock who sucks at sports.
>>2522866> jock who sucks at sports.we wuz philosopher kangz
>>2522864>>2522821Ok. I wasn't really asking about /leftypol/. I don't know where you guys read in my post I was talking about /leftypol/.
>The left should be building all kinds of institutions and infrastructure.Yeah sure definitely and I don't begrudge anyone for going about it however you do it. The original genesis for this discussion was all these people who flip out here about people like Mamdani stealing your revolutionary thunder, so I think a logic question is what is your revolutionary thunder he is stealing from.
>>2522863They’re really overrated anon. It’s Burgerpunk
>>2522790>Bro, what separates your vague claims that some underground cells who you can't point to and name or what they're doing any different from QAnon posting? What I'm trying to get across is that under the current conditions (extreme repression and mass surveillance) any and all revolutionary action must be both extremely clandestine and in (as I said) an atomized cell structure.
My claims are entirely based on what's actually viable under the circumstances. The worker's revolution is a natural force in the sense that as long as the proles are oppressed there will be material motivation for them to revolt. Let's say that even 40% of the US count as proles (a modest estimate that's probably much higher) which would be 136million proles. Let's say the population of proles that are Class Conscious, Willing, and Materially Capable of pursuing revolutionary activity is .0001%. That's 136 people. Let's say only 100 of these people come to the conclusion about both the necessity of secrecy and atomized structure. Those 100 people are still meeting this criteria. If it was ten people, or 30, or 500, or 1000 it'd be far from the point. The point is that statistically there's no reason it wouldn't exist.
<Revolutionaries are in control<Trust the plan!<WWG1WGA!I didn't say they were in control, or that you should put your faith in them, or any of this other irony poisoned nonsense. You can and should always take an active role yourself (which is what I'm pushing for) and go out of your way to form a cell in your area if you're ready (that is tailored to your local conditions). There is no vanguard or popular revolutionary party (that is not co-opted, heavily surveilled, etc) to turn to, this is THE option for revolutionary action with any chance at longevity.
>Besides even whether any such thing exists, you can't even speak about it in a hypothetical sense. I can't? Or shouldn't? Again, my assertion is that if revolutionaries exist they are forced into this structure. Given that revolutionaries DO exist (even if their range of numbers leans towards minuscule) then such a thing exists and is therefore not hypothetical but simply largely unknown.
>What could an underground cell achieve? How many people would you need? What is the general strategy behind this plan? I don't think you understand the concept. The cells themselves are not on the frontlines as we speak fighting the invisible war against the evil booj, they are people preparing for when material conditions are more than favorable towards revolution. The actions that they'd need to take to prepare for this are hyper-specific to whatever area they reside in. Would a cell of revolutionaries in NYC have the same methodology as a cell in Columbus OH? No, obviously not.
The structure of this means that every given cell has their own hyper-specific strategies tailored to their conditions. I'm not claiming that there exists a shadow network of underground guerrillas and they're all just hiding. This structure only exists as an overarching structure because these people are all working to advance 1 goal (the eventual prole revolt).
Please do not retardedly misconstrue this as me saying that they will spring out of their hidey-holes in the time of crisis to shoot cops and US soldiers, nothing I've described could not be applied to a cell stockpiling necessities to distribute or establishing secure locations for future use. My terms here are vague because the range of actions necessary for laying good foundations widely varied.
>Bro….>What says that Jesus has not already been reborn on this Earth and he will soon usher in the Messianic Age? These are incomparable. I am not making a claim that the small cells that do exist (which are forced to exist in these conditions) will usher in the Revolution suddenly and bring about the Communism. I'm saying that people are already laying the foundations (however small) which are not congruent across the continent and may take any number of actions because they are wholly independent outside of their goal.
>Where is your responsibility? You can't even speak on what these imaginary underground cells would or should be doing hypothetically?I'm not sure if this is another way of asking what the cells should do (which as I said varies depending on where you are in the US, and I'm not going to claim revolutionaries need to do XYZ if they're living in different material conditions than I) or if you're asking what I'm doing personally (which I'll assume not because that'd be a retarded question.) but I think I've addressed this already.
>Patriots are in control. Trust the plan. WWG1WGA.Again, retarded irony poisoned shit. Your disagreement with my tamest point (that the internet does not represent material reality) shows you're braindead. Kill yourself.
>>2522805>>2522868>The original genesis for this discussion was all these people who flip out here about people like Mamdani stealing your revolutionary thunder, so I think a logic question is what is your revolutionary thunder he is stealing from.>Yeah people like Mamdani and everyone else the idiots on this site feel superior to.I get it now. Don't even bother trying to understand what I'm talking about, I'm not sure how you even found this website. I think you'd be better suited to Xitter.com
>>2522752Why is this freak so popular anyway? Fake boobs? Fake lips?
>>2522869wonder if he'll castro his way through it
>>2522882I mean the american imperialists of the 60s seem way more competent than our current generation of leadership.
>>2522884it's because the CIA was a bunch of highly disciplined teatotalling mormons in the 60s. There was a sort of ethnoreligious bent to the imperialism back then that leaned towards white anglo saxon mormons and protestants. Now the imperialists are more "diverse" both in terms of background as well as ideology so they can't agree on how to proceed. Also they are just way less disciplined in general. idk maybe I'm putting too much weight on that angle.
>>2522886You can shut down Grindr while they’re there.
>>2522780fuck
archive.is is starting to fail at getting these paywalled articles
>>2522868Not to be dick but we’ve seen Madami types before. You seem on the younger side or new to politics and didn’t get to experience the Obama/Bernie stab in the backs. I’ll say this, Bernie and madami are good signs, the ruling class feeling the need to placate us even with a false hope is a sign of weakness. I hope madami wins, but don’t be surprised when he compromises everything away and your receiving non stop emails asking for donations 10 years later after the magic has faded. Always be critical of those in power, especially here. Like I criticize madami here because it’s an appropriate space. Like I don’t tell my right of center friend or family that are sucdem curious they are all pierces of imperialist shitheads. I would tell madami if I saw him but he’s a politician, which is lower than a prostitute in my books. Cause when a hooker sucks of a war criminal they take the money and go home, they don’t wipe their lips and then go sign the off on renewing the budget for the orphan crusher 5000. God bless anyone the becomes a politician for good reasons but only the ones that are good know they will be hated.
>>2522887this is old. and way before epstein was indicted.
>>2522891>Now the imperialists are more "diverse" both in terms of background […] idk maybe I'm putting too much weight on that angle.You are.
>>2522752nah she's just trotting out the same birthrt propaganda they used against obama.
the muslims I know are bro tier. the jews not so much. I for one welcome the islamization of america. please join me in dhimmimaxxing 🙏
>>2522886leftypol AI, generate a vid of a fat trump crying over the body of charlie kirk before bursting and blowing away like a baloon just like baron harkonen in david lynch's dune.
>>2522863Pretty sure he just borrowed hatred for sports from Alex Jones. Every single thing Sam Hyde says is straight from either Alex Jones or Stephan Molyneux, with a tad bit of /pol/ symbiosis like when he became a tradlarper who proclaimed himself an expert on quantum mechanics and how it "proves" god exists.
>>2524006Sam Hyde believes in God?!
>>2522863His 8pm impression of middle aged black men is top notch though
>>2523618This proves that the two world wars was a genocide of right handed people. The left handed assholes hate us.
Why is there no money on the left? Perhaps the general political apparatus of 'Merica is just varying degrees of fascist. But it's frustrating as fuck some entity cant just pay people like $50k to sign up to disrupt ice, protest the right, punch Stephen Miller in the dick or something. How and why are the left so fucking powerless and weak? Srsly just give me some dough or something and Id be the finest anti-fa super soldier on earth.
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