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>>2525913Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >NYTimes Opinion | The wizened crowds of the "No Kings" protests illustrate what has long been clear: the youth demand a Caesar
>>2527648they are just invoking Lacan (poorly) and totally mischaracterizing the protests, and the general political climate. bunch of out of touch sociopaths at the 'paper of record'
>>2527648least fascist NYTimes opinion
>>2527648Link? I found nothing by googling.
Just spent the rent donating to hasan
>>2527660Hope he reads this bro.
>>2527657Citations Needed is the podcast the person in the pic runs, very good I recommend it for anyone who hasn't heard of it.
>>2527660tell houdini you did this
>>2527673This has to be fake
>>2527662I'm surprised they're still going. Good for them. They aren't that popular but their content is usually pretty good, if a bit dry.
>>2527658guys i have a sneaking suspicion that this is made up
>>2527673never own or rent vehicle that can be used to remotely assassinate you
>>2527698i drive a 20 year old car
>>2527648Unironically I think that’s paraphrasing a quote from historical fascists.
had a dream, and all of my friends and comrades were there, and you were all there, and so was the red army. we were riding around in go carts and fast cars with wheels made of razor blades, and we were driving it on a giant road in space that was like rainbow road, but it was made of dead nazis. we were doing donuts over their corpses and shit, it was awesome. they were erecting giant socialist statues and the sky turned into a painting in the style of the early soviets then we turned the road in on itself like a morbius strip, and it went over the nazis for all of time it was the best dream of my entire life, it was so amazing. it's the road we will all drive on to work in the new universe we are constructing. we are going to conquer the stars, and conquer fascist nonsense forever
>>2527716they will be boiled inshallah
>>2527733Handmade, artisanal landlording.
>>2527745>“Some writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness possitively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.
<Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a Government, which we might expect in a country without Government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” -Thomas Paine, Common Sense >>2527733https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-145-how-real-estate-curated-mom-pop-landlord-sob-stories-are-used-to-gut-tenant-protectionsSep 29, 2021
“The eviction moratorium is killing small landlords” CNBC cautions. "Some small landlords struggle under eviction moratoriums,” declares The Washington Post. “Economic Pressures Are Rising On Mom And Pop Rental Owners,” laments NPR. ”[Landlords] can’t hold on much longer,” cries an LA Times headline.
Throughout the course of the pandemic, we’ve seen a spate of media coverage highlighting the plight of the small or so-called “mom-and-pop landlord” struggling to make ends meet. The story usually goes something like this: A modest, down-on-their-luck owner of two or three properties — say, a elderly grandmother or hardworking medical professional — hopes to keep them long enough to hand them down to their kids, but fears financial ruin in the face of radical tenant-protection laws.
But this doesn’t reflect the reality of rental housing ownership in the United States. Over the last couple decades, corporate entities, from Wall Street firms to an opaque network of LLCs, have increasingly seized ownership of the rental housing stock, intensifying the asymmetry of landlord-tenant power relations and rendering housing ever more precarious for renters. In the meantime, the character of the “mom-and-pop landlord” has been evoked nonstop — much like that of the romantic “small business owner” — in order to sanitize the image of property ownership and gin up opposition to legislation that would protect tenants from eviction moratoria to rent control.
On this episode, we explore the overrepresentation of the “mom-and-pop landlord” in media, contrasting it with the actual makeup of rental housing ownership. We’ll also examine how the media-burnished image of the beleaguered, barely-scraping-by landlord puts a human face on policies that further enrich a property-owning class while justifying the forceful removal of renters from their homes.
>>2527715So how would that work? I'm assuming they don't pay him all at once since that seems kinda ridiculous.
>>2527745>If a woman were to defend the cause of her sex, she might address him in the following manner:
<"How great is your injustice? If we have an equal right with you to virtue, why should we not have an equal right to praise? The public esteem ought to wait upon merit. Our duties are different from yours, but they are not therefore less diffcult to fulfil, or of less consequence to society: They are the fountains of your felicity, and the sweetness of life. We are wives and mothers.'Tis we who form the union and the cordiality of families.'Tis we who soften that savage rudeness which considers everything as due to force, and which would involve man with man in eternal war. We cultivate in you that humanity which makesyou feel for the misfortunes of others, and our tears forewarn you of your own danger. Nay, you cannot be ignorant that we have need of courage not less than you. More feeble in ourselves, we have perhaps more trials to encounter. Nature assails us with sorrow, law and custom press us with constraint, and sensibility and virtue alarm us with their continual conflict. Sometimes also the name of citizen demands from us the tribute of fortitude- When you offer your blood to the State think that it is ours. In giving it our sons and our husbands we give more than ourselves. You can only die on the field of battle, but we have the misfortune to survive those whom we love most. Alas! while your ambitious vanity is unceasingly laboring to cover the earth with statues, with monuments, and with inscriptions to eternize, if possible, your names, and give yourselves an existence, when this body is no more, why must we be condemned to live and to die unknown? Would that the grave and eternal forgetfulness should be our lot. Be not our tyrants in all: Permit our names to be sometimes pronounced beyond the narrow circle in which we live. Permit friendship, or at least love, to inscribe its emblem on the tomb where our ashes repose; and deny us not that public esteem which, after the esteem of one's self, is the sweetest reward of well doing."https://constitution.org/2-Authors/tp/female.htm So when do we start fighting the man, man?
>>2527777Why bother when the man fights himself?
>>2527777how about instead we build solidarity, mutual aid networks, militias, militant labor unions, worker/consumer/housing co-ops, and just in general socialist power while the idiots kill each other so we can come in and clean up after they burn shit down and keep as many proles alive as possible in the meantime.
>>2527783you're free to run the left-wing daycare but my priorities are in changing the system not cleaning up its messes.
>>2527735>U.S. hegemonyThe SSRs and especially Boris Yeltsin were self-inflicted. They also failed to do a better job of making life in the USSR more "interesting" so people didn't feel obliged to go along with nationalist movements.
Forget dysfunction. There were too few outlets for people who couldn't get along with the system that didn't involve emigrating or destroying the USSR.
Look at America: It absorbs it's opposition and tolerates the crazies, vagabonds, cynics and gangsters which sunk the USSR.
I'm not saying you should tolerate everything everywhere. But you can't keep the fire going with pure negation (class conflict against the bourgeoisie after you've officially eliminated them) or promises of world revolution (which never deliver) and "progress" (especially when people start wondering why they're unable to live the lives of upper-middle class americans in imported series and movies and consoom all the stuff they can apparently afford).
Maybe if they'd gone with (more) porn, more bloodsports, more gossip, more sensationalism and reality tv slop, more state sponsored woowoo new age cults, and keeping Afghanistan going on a low burn to send all the "adventurers" to. Instead of implementing liberal democracy. Then perhaps they'd still be around.
The CPC is just much better at understanding this. They absorbed the same impulses with the Cultural Revolution, and later on the ravenous consumerism promised by Deng. (You'll consoom the commodities and be happy)
Now I don't think any of that is particularly socialist or meaningful. But I think the USSR was a lot more doomed by all the ennui and cynicism near the end, than any economic dysfunction, US hegemony or foreign subversion.
>>2527788>my priorities are in changing the system not cleaning up its messes.What does this even mean? I can imagine a militant labor union, free housing, mutual aid, not organizing labor on a for profit basis. But "changing the system" feels like it pretends to be really profound (often accompanied by accusing others of doing "lifestyleism" and "adventurism") but doesn't actually mean anything.
It's a kind of religious impulse where you reject what's worldly and immediate in favor of something vaguely divine and world changing (or ending).
>>2527698Yeah, boy am I glad I still drive my year 2000 car.
>>2527816
I will focus on destroying capitalism and imperialism. National questions can be resolved later.
Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Work’s kind of shit right now.
>>2527816
global warming is bad and all that, but at least i won't have to hear you anymore
>>2527833felix stop larping
>>2527833Yeah it’s kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. The Left out here is pretty weak and unable to really flex power, which means that the Left in the global south is at the mercy of imperialism. Sorry mang, but if there’s one light at the end of the tunnel for y’all, I think people here are strained enough that there’ll probably be some kind of collapse that hopefully gives you guys some breathing room.
>>2527838
felix, yap all you want, but every word out of your mouth is another reason to do exactly what you're telling us NOT to do, purely because you'll die, shut up, or do anything that involves posting to this website, tell me felix, what are you doing right now with troops in your city? you're too busy whining about a californian grocer to see the ICE branded plank in your eye
>>2527840Better to just ignore him, he’s a malignant narcissist. He thrives off attention.
>>2527792I can see that, hard for me to agree because I’ve never had the pleasure of being plagued with the burden of ennui. IMO I think the USSR and china were just to early and the final conflict is coming now. The mode of production changed before the bourgeoisie revolutions of the 18th century, the revolutions just formalized the relationships and the next century has been global capital snuffing out feudal relations wittingly or unwittingly. Now we’re in capitalisms Hapsburg stages were it has proliferated and become some incestious that it’ll force or invite challenge from below. Also I think you’re right that china did have a lot more foresight so their transition won’t be as climactic as it’ll be through the rest of the global.
>>2527816
Do you think mass movements materialize out of nowhere? If you can’t do much as feed an army how will you arm one?
>>2527816
I think you need to put down the BadEmpanada and pick up the theory
>>2527843Will capitalism really ever collapse of its own accord? It has proven to be far more adaptable and malleable than any other oppressive system because it has no real or loyalty to anything besides the accumulation of more and more capital via exploitation, but it can do this in so many myriad ways - far beyond what any of its predecessors could. The fact that "It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism" makes me think that even an apocalypse, as long as enough humans are still left, won't see capitalism dethroned. I'm not convinced that capitalism will ever end unless humanity deliberately and collectively decides to end it for good. Humanity has to actively choose socialism for most of us to move on and survive.
>>2527850Capitalism hasn’t been around that long, especially compared to feudalism and feudalism was around less than slave empires and slave empires even less so than hunting and gathering. Things are accelerating faster with each change in the mode of production. Capitalism may chug along for another generation or so but it far less stable than its predecessor and challenge to its authority came before it even sealed itself as the global system. Capitalism isn’t more adaptable, humans are just becoming more adaptable. The mode of production isnt gonna change because we all morally decided to become socialists. It’ll change out of necessity, possibly an apocalypse (humanity has gone through several apocalypses, life on earth for more) or possibly china does achieve solar punk techno-communism with Chinese characteristics and anyone that doesn’t change falls rapidly behind. Much like how china and Russia stayed feudal during the ascent of global capitalism.
>>2527853
And how is that?
>>2527852All of those previous systems existed during long past times wherein both the material and psychological conditions of development (as well as resistance) were greatly inferior to the present. As soon as the conditions reached a stage where the foundations of the system could be actively questioned, we began to see those systems break down. But that hasn't quite happened to capitalism, because of its hydra-like nature allowing it to survive, regenerate from, and adapt to any non-fatal blow. Plus, unlike those other systems, which had to be explicitly in your face (and therefore, your mind) 24/7, capitalism does not. It is an invisible hydra that lure you in with its song and kill you when you don't even realize it's even there. Consider that more people are enslaved now on Earth than during the height of the slave trade. But people rarely ever talk about that, because it isn't in your face. Capitalism is diffuse, resilient, and invisible, so ingrained into our psyches that many of us don't even realize that it's there, let alone the true depth and breadth of its corruption.
>>2527857Yeah you really are putting in too much religious spookery in your thought like how Anarcho-Nihilist anon is saying.
>>2527857this is……the same things can be said of feudalism
>>2527863Is TFR any fun? To be honest I barely have a grasp on base HoI4 so adding shit like helicopters and modern mechanized infantry just kind of makes it harder.
>>2527648The rag is very dirty
>>2527872>>2527869https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUAFxUShH3ELike there is no other mod where biden because a mass insane dictator who has his brain uploaded into a super agi
>>2527669You’ll see more of this until they get too stupid with their “exercises”
>>2527799>But "changing the system" feels like it pretends to be really profound (often accompanied by accusing others of doing "lifestyleism" and "adventurism") but doesn't actually mean anything.I know you're being deliberately obtuse here pretending you can't imagine what revolutionary activism actually entails but charity groups are not how you defeat capitalism. Empowering people to kill the capitalists is how you defeat capitalism.
No amount of free housing or mutual aid is going to solve the issue of capitalist exploitation. You're just placing a bandaid on the problem at hand, cleaning up their messes, while they don't have to commit any resources slowing the inevitable collapse because you're doing it for them. Besides, every time you give resources to one person over another, you are actively choosing who lives and dies under capitalism and potentially swaying survival towards those with the means and access to aid over those who don't, which inevitably primarily benefits those who are already benefiting from the system in some way. This is not a solution and is not progressing the end of the system unless you are strategic about it to undermine the capitalists(for example, giving support to furloughed soldiers to buy their loyalty against capital, or enticing the homeless to engage in illegal/insurgent activities against capital and rewarding them with clandestine aid).
I know the modern left is so buckbroken that we've been indoctrinated into serving as a daycare for the victims of Capital but we can be more than that, and we need to be more than that. If you want to provide aid to other Communists to grow Communist power then by all means, at least that's strategically sound. But always be aware that simple charity is not helping solve any political problems, and the reason the CIA promotes it as the "true" way to oppose Capitalism is because it's a huge resource sink that ultimately just ends up helping Capital save their own money.
It sounds heartless to say "charity bad, mutual aid bad" but there isn't enough time to spread Leftist ideas through mere word of mouth. We have to be proactive in promoting our ideas even if it means withholding resources to only those that support us and using whatever we have to advance our own interests for the sake of humanity.
>>2527859Maybe. Hopefully I'm wrong and capitalism is far weaker.
>>2527865To an extent, since all oppressive systems have commonalities, but I think capitalism goes beyond that in scope and power.
>>2527872>>2527876Right on, might check it out then. I saw it has California become some socialist state or something, that’s pretty cool, but I can’t take the idea of Maupin leading any real state seriously.
>>2527819Why can there not be a socialist and anti-imperialist America?
>>2527881One of my main goals in life is making both schizo and plausible alternate history mods for Paradox games.
>>2527883>One of my main goals in life is making both schizo and plausible alternate history mods for Paradox games.All I ask is that I get a focus tree with something like a 90% chance of failure and the most assassination events of any character.
>>2527884>Focus treeSorry I only play Darkest Hour.
I will move onto HOI4 eventually though. >>2527788you are going to need the daycare when shit hits the fan, which could very well happen as soon as next year
>>2527781I wouldn't hang out with people that hang out with woody allen
>>2527888The daycare comes when the system collapses and the people turn to the only organizations with power in the region that can protect them. If you're just running a daycare, you'll get invaded by nazis and feds and they'll just kill you and steal all your shit to hand out exclusively to their friends.
Charity is not a solution. We have to be strategic about giving out the meager resources the Left has.
>>2527848
you quite literally haven't done that, and you won't either, you hounding him to suicide is probably driving him to live longer, i would, if some random idiot who himself admitted that he's too cowardly to even follow his own words kept trying to "hound me to suicide"
>>2527892i really don't doubt it, but he will not go either way, what we can do is call him a coward, laugh, and call him a modern day travert, who is chasing after a californian grocer for the petty social crime of not endorsing his ultra violent fantasies
>>2527896
lmao
I am deeply tired of the whites and their bullshit. Not saying that there is any other war except class war, but goddamn.
>>2527882well he can lead it, there's anarchists (eep!), the PSL, i believe also another option for demsocs
>>2527896if that's how you imagine it, chavert, then be my guest to chase after this californian grocer, you oregonian would-be corporal
>>2527901What did we do this time?!
>>2527904What didn’t you do this time? Jesus Christ.
>>2527908They did Jesus Christ in a lab
>>2527698how modern are we talking
>>2527892dated one of these
sounds like an ex-wife joke but no it was horrible i still have not really recovered >>2527910>If you drive a car made in the past five yearsliterally the first sentence in the consumer report article lol. i think dealerships still need to get you to sign privacy policies before they can track you so if you didnt sign a privacy policy at your dealership then your car cant track you. though a car is easily trackable anyway because highways and roads have cameras that recognize car plates and stuff, if the police wants to track your car, they can easily do so.
The billionaires are making trump fuck up the economy on purpose to short everything crash fiat and buy gold and bitcoin
>>2527896
Let's say CPUSAnon is as bad as you say he is, he will likely never be of any historical significance. So you acting like he's the next Adolf Hitler is pretty rich. You seem schizo about this.
>>2527916if they crash the US dollar and the world migrates to another reserve currency, it would be a disaster for the US geopolitically and internally as well, like literally the US would waive away their exorbitant privilege and would never recover
>>2527917when did this board became so humorless, or is it just the cpusanon clique/sockpuppets that are such midwits they cant parse a joke
>>2527902Might check it out then; though truth be told I’m trying to find the joy in a USSR game even if I’m expected to micromanage whether all my tank drivers are circumcised or not.
>>2527921
trolling or
>>2527816
when you say "destroy America" do you just mean the government or do you mean all 380 million inhabitants should be living in something that looks like Gaza. Because I doubt that would do much for climate change.
>>2527921
you say this every day but it's not true
>>2527918>when did this board became so humorless, or is it just the cpusanon clique/sockpuppets that are such midwits they cant parse a joke>>2527921>The mods ban everyone who (correctly) criticizes CPUSAnons insane far right ideology so all that's left here is midwit fascists.so is it a joke or not
and if it's not a joke do you really think he will be of any historical significance
>>2527893
"America," unlike a tiger, is just a spook though. You could just, y'know, overthrow the bourgeois republic.
>>2527934
Well it's a good thing there are no other bourgeois states then.
>>2527875
Unable to synthesize your own thoughts award
>>2527934
you kinda dodged the first question. if any Americans are left alive, by your logic America still exists, right?
>>2527935
ok. CPUSAnon should stop being a national chauvinist.
but I doubt I will get banned for just saying this because I don't spend every day posting about him and derailing the thread to give him attention… wait how do I know he didn't hire you to give him endless attention?
>>2527893
>Russia will always be tsarist!!!!! It's just that way OK!!!!! There is NO changing it into something else!!!! It's just this metaphysical eternal evil!!!!!
this is how you sound when talking about America.
>>2527948
what vpn do u use
>>2527949
the pieces were and still are there for it to possibly come back, albeit severely altered
>>2527949
>has to specify TSARIST Russia because if he says “Russia was destroyed” he’d obviously be contradicting himself.
>>2527955
>projecting
>>2527938
America is an idea and ideas are malleable. Getting rid of the Tsar didn't get rid of "Russia".
>>2527961
>i don't think he said anything about lenin in that post. are you schizophrenic?
>>2527948
>Do it for real, not an obvious joke
it wasn't a joke. he should stop being a national chauvinist.
>>2527964
Then you're literally just saying "Overthrowing the American government means destroying the American government" which is like, no shit? Just say that then instead of being hostile and needing multiple replies to say the same thing twice.
>>2527967
you need a revolution to destroy american govt tho?
>>2527967
what does "America must be destroyed" even fucking mean then? what are you even talking about? no buzzwords, no rhetorical escape hatches, you need to at least say what these things even mean
>>2527961>Is a sense of national pride alien to us, Great-Russian class-conscious proletarians? Certainly not! We love our language and our country, and we are doing our very utmost to raise her toiling masses (i.e., nine-tenths of her population) to the level of a democratic and socialist consciousness. To us it is most painful to see and feel the outrages, the oppression and the humiliation our fair country suffers at the hands of the tsar’s butchers, the nobles and the capitalists. We take pride in the resistance to these outrages put up from our midst, from the Great Russians; in that midst having produced Radishchev,[3] the Decembrists[4] and the revolutionary commoners of the seventies[5]; in the Great-Russian working class having created, in 1905, a mighty revolutionary party of the masses; and in the Great-Russian peasantry having begun to turn towards democracy and set about overthrowing the clergy and the landed proprietors.
>We remember that Chernyshevsky, the Great-Russian democrat, who dedicated his life to the cause of revolution, said half a century ago: “A wretched nation, a nation of slaves, from top to bottom—all slaves."[6] The overt and covert Great-Russian slaves (slaves with regard to the tsarist monarchy) do not like to recall these words. Yet, in our opinion, these were words of genuine love for our country, a love distressed by the absence of a revolutionary spirit in the masses of the Great-Russian people. There was none of that spirit at the time. There is little of it now, but it already exists. We are full of national pride because the Great-Russian nation, too, has created a revolutionary class, because it, too, has proved capable of providing mankind with great models of the struggle for freedom and socialism, and not only with great pogroms, rows of gallows, dungeons, great famines and great servility to priests, tsars, landowners and capitalists.
<Lenin: On the National Pride of the Great Russians, 1914>>2527965>>2527935>>2527944>>2527948Vid
>>2527970obviously the chinese guy from the funny images on xitter with HOLOCAUST ON THE 1ST WORLD in big bold letters is gonna do it right? That means I don't have to do the Revolution thing
what he says
>armed body of the proletariat
what he means
>chinese nukes
>>2527976
Isn't your city under military occupation? Why are you arguing on leftypol if you are a real revolutionary
tratratrananny
>>2527978
Didn't they show up anyway
>>2527970he won't answer. he always copes out "however many must die i guess" but won't elaborate what that looks like because you're the fed for asking actually
I went to food not bombs today I felt a little nervous having to interact with so many people and with women ( god why did I allow myself to turn into a terminally online loser) but it was cool wish I done this sooner because I'm moving soon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am%C3%A9rica,_TamaulipasThis is the America I want destroyed sorry for any confusion
>>2527976
felix, take the ICE-branded plank out of your eye, your city is occupied RIGHT NOW, you yourself earlier had admitted that "I don't have the strength to fight against the troops or ice in my community, but I do have the strength to hound one of their parteigenosse to suicide." (direct quote), you would rather delusionally harass a californian grocer than confront the ICE occupation in your city, happening as i already mentioned, RIGHT NOW, you could do anything, and despite my dislike of you for posting all this insane shit, i'd gain a little for you, why? because you at least got up and tried to do something, however worthless it may be, but you don't, because it's hard, and your whole "we must destroy america!!!" idea is nothing but a costume to wear, you're a coward, end of story, there's not much more to say
>>2527987
you know "Volk" is just the german word for "People". if you went around talking about "The People", you'd sound like a maoist, but translate it into german and suddenly it sounds bad
>>2527992he has no revolutionary aspirations, anything that could be used in any way he will brand as a project for "improving the lives of the precious volk" which allows him to assume a moral highground "i'm above you filthy yanqui strasserites, you just want to protect your volk! i want to free the entire world!" while he does not do this, he is a cuck, not necessarily in the literal sense, but in the sense that he prostrates himself towards the idea that a noble clique of revolutionaries will "destroy america" and thus do his work for him, and he'll be their leader, and he'll do this from his suburb in portland, they'll be the ones who dared to die for that just cause, while he jerks off and wakes up in a cold sweat about a californian grocer he will execute, or whatever
>>2527987
>You, on the other hand, want billions to die so your precious American Volk can have free healthcare and cheap commodities.
So why does this not apply to all of Europe then?
>>2527994
felix when are you gonna stop being the "The real iron cuck" and do what you've been moping about for months now? you have the perfect opportunity to do so and you've yet to seize it! where's the "mixing of illegal and legal methods" you talk so fondly about? where's you forming a spear of the nation? where's you leading protests to be bravely slaughtered by the national guard? when's that gonna happen you oregonian writer?
>>2527985
I time traveled to 1940 as the Lincoln battalion returned from Spain to called them fascist
I emailed noem Chomsky to call him fascist
Michael parenti more like Benito micheilini
Jk I was on the sidelines did call the frog costume guy a Nazi so I did my part
>>2527976
Russia was a country of peasants where their leader was counseled by an evil wizard when he wrote that.
>>2527997
yet you yourself admitted it's a higher priority for you specifically to harass a guy who didn't really do anything to you, because you're a delusional psycho
>>2527994
>I know what volk means, thank you. I am intentionally translating it into German because a certain Austrian painter used it often, and I am trying to compare his politics to yours.
Didn't a certain German writer use it often and before the painter?
My god Felix. You sound like the most braindead kind of American libtard. You get all your politics from Hollywood movies.
>>2528005fantasy novel ass setup
>>2528010it honestly makes so much fucking sense that this, this is the guy who is behind all of this, i've posted the image to this guy's insane statements before but jesus fucking christ, it's always so putrid
>>2528011
thank the lord, i hope you wake up in pain so you call in sick, thanks.
>>2528011
I am the only human being who has a job I am the proletariat everyone else is bourgeois exploiting me
>>2528010wait does iron felix look like this and does he live in california
>>2528017He lives in Portland
>>2528018damn it, if he lived in cal i wanted to find him and say hi
>>2528021>>2528010he sounds and looks like a nerd
>>2528021based but also holy autism
>>2527987
>you want blah blah blah
nobody said that either. meds
>>2528009There was some story from Kerensky's Biography I think where he saw some graffiti while fleeing Russia that was like "Down with THE JEW KERENSKY! LONG LIVE TROTSKY!"
Like you had a populace that literally thought the Tsar touching them could cure their syphilis or whatever.
>>2528033Some other bizarre facts about the Russian Revolution
>Allegedly some Russian peasants would hang pictures of Lenin next to The Tsar in their homes 'cause they didn't really understand this whole "Bolshevik Revolution" thing>Supposedly Wrangel, the "Black Baron", saw the Tsar's kids LARPing as Bolsheviks and wearing red ribbons >Rasputin allegedly counseled Tsar Nicholas II to take a more active role leading the military in WW1>You read Nicky's diary and he literally comes across as a bimbo. >>2528038so people were stupid?
>>2528038I think Lenin understood the intellectual vulnerability of the proles better than any of the retards on this site. Expecting them to make the right choices through pure logic and reason is just laughably naive.
>>2528047im shocked and appalled to know that people back then were stupid
>>2528045>hrough pure logic and reason is just laughably naive.nah, I know people are stupid. ive read the democracy for realists book
>>2528031the level of the average public and class conciousness is really no better today
>>2528092I'd be surprised if he is even able to make it past his second term. Ideologically the party is standing on a cliff. Once Trump is done Republicans will be lucky to not get replaced by another conservative party anymore
>>2528121>why are we still deluding ourselves that the US is relevant?cuz unfortunately the USA and China are the only places with a tech sector
>>2528125Oh so THAT'S why chinese bourgeoise is allowed to buy stolen Palestinian property and invest in Pissrael
>>2528038The bolsheviks are also honestly kinda over-represented in most of the discussion on the revolution. Like I think it creates this illusion that is impossible to live up to.
>>2528138oh, did the Chinese interrupt you doing literally nothing in the face of genocide? so sorry.
>the SR combat organizations' terrorism led to the events of the revolution of 1905
>the revolution of 1905 led to the events of the February revolution which led to the October revolution
it all makes sense now
kinda funny how the SR combat org was led by Yevno Azef who was a paid Okhrana police agent lol
>>2527879No. I'm being not deliberately obtuse; I genuinely cannot imagine what "defeating capitalism" means without first imagining the steps in between.
The problem with the emphasis on "systemic change" over "activism" and "charity", is that it becomes a deus ex machina that we're meant to summon through some yet unknown mystical means.
You also talk about killing capitalists, as if the bourgeoisie aren't simply those who
primarily earn their income from profit.
But to paraphrase Bordiga: The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact the firm has a boss. Self-management in workplaces as shown in initiatives like Mondragon, the reclaimed factories movement in Argentina ~25 years ago (and which barely anyone talks about anymore these days) and worker owned enterprises in Rojava (DAANES) shows you can have capitalism without "capitalists".
Because under capitalism, social relations become mediated through commodities (as explained by Marx), and simply getting rid of bosses does not get rid of the commodity form or commodity production.
So what does? Socialization (or "Communization"). And abolition of the commodity form and commodity production itself in various areas. Not endless meetings between workers over at what price a sack of potatoes should be sold, but a world where people don't cultivate them for profit.
Free housing and mutual aid does do this. Killing your boss or (owner) and turning everyone on the workfloor into hucksters, doesn't. Another counter example is one from my own life: I once worked at a very big multinational, owned exclusively by one of the richest men in the world. What would killing the guy (who was no longer involved in day to day operations) change about how the firm was run? He could've died one morning and none of us (average proles) would've known.
You might then argue that you should simply keep killing off all the heirs too until the company ends up being nationalized or sold off. But this still doesn't eliminate the firm and commodity production itself, as seen in the cases I mentioned.
I'm also not sure where the empirical proof is for "collapse" resulting in communism, and not slave markets as seen in places like Libya.
And yes, we do actively choose who lives and dies, but we're doing that regardless. Should we support forming a union locally? Or should we spend our effort on Maoist guerillas in India and the Philippines? Or should we be aiding the people in Gaza?
But here's the thing: I don't see socialism as pure negation. It's what happens when we choose autonomy over capital and capitalism. In that sense, an 'anarchist' squat in north America is as valid as a Maoists insurgency in the Philippine countryside.
You talk of the modern left being buckbroken, but I'm not sure how you plan on bringing about the eschaton when most won't even consider shop lifting or joining a union. You forget the part where any ('radical') action requires a sense of courage. Which is much more lacking than people calling for "systemic change" which is rather common these days.
>even if it means withholding resources to only those that support us and using whatever we have to advance our own interests for the sake of humanity.But this is where we really differ. Why are you subordinating the human condition itself to "humanity" as a vague abstraction? It's another theism. It's another invisible god we ought to bow to. That's what makes this attitude religious.
>WASHINGTON (AP) — China likes to condemn the United States for extending its arm too far outside of its borders to make demands on non-American companies. But when it sought to hit back at the U.S. interests this month, Beijing did exactly the same.
>In expanding export rules on rare earths, Beijing for the first time announced it will require foreign firms to obtain approval from the Chinese government to export magnets containing even tiny amounts of China-originated rare earth materials or produced with Chinese technology.
bahahaha just give the global economy to China, it's already over they won
>>2528145Yeah I don't know where you nerds got it in your heads that the state will just overthrow itself. Someone has to do the work, and that someone can only be the class conscious vanguard of the workers.
>>2528170terrorism may be welcomed but members of the class conscious vanguard are too valuable to be thrown away by doing it
>>2528175
Finally someone understands. It baffles me how few of you have read lenin here.
>>2528175
not really
>>2528179Lenin wrote entire books about this and your response is "not really"
>>2528182Yes he did. Both state and revolution and proletarian Revolution and the renegade kautsky cover this in detail. You have clearly read neither.
>>2528177What passes for “theory” on leftypol is modern day Mein Kampfs like Crimethinc zines and other infantile garbage so it doesn’t surprise me in the least
>>2528183books totally unrelated to your post
>>2528128if you want to bitch and moan about china do it in /prc/ where it's on topic. oh but you won't because you'll actually have to deal with smart responses there. You'd rather come to /usapol/ and use it as a space for two minutes hate against america's geopolitical rivals because you know you'll get a lot of anti-china solidarity and head pats here.
the US government contributes to this genocide more than any other government. this is the part where you lazily drop trade volume graphs ignoring who sells the most weapons, and who gives israel the most weapons for free, and who provides israel with the most logistical support, free intelligence, etc. >>2528175by "destroy america" you already admitted earlier you just mean "overthrow the government" and not "kill everyone in the continent" which is what "proletarian revolution" by definition does but you can't just say that because then it won't be provocative like you need it to be to get the attention you so desperately crave. you have to play this roundabout game where you act edgy and troll everyone only to occasionally you admit you mean something way more obvious and way less provocative than what you're actually saying.
>>2528183nothing in either of those works is lenin doing what you do on here every day. you seethe on here every day about an irrelevant person, then say "destroy america destroy america destroy america."
lenin consistently said overthrow the tsarist autocracy, and held the vanguard (not people in general, that would have been unrealistic) to a standard of revolutionary defeatism. he always elaborated what this actually meant and never phrase mongered with something as crude and primitive as "you must destroy russia" to random strangers on the street (which is what anons basically are).
that's the point that keeps being made to you and you ignore it and circle back around to "no actually lenin was saying exactly what i'm saying in the exact dumb way i'm saying it, to random strangers rather than fellow party members, just like me"
then you bitch and moan and cry that the mods are banning you being right rather than your consistently schizo and hostile behavior.
^believes in american exceptionalism
>revolutions in the imperial core are only meaningful as tools of punishment
you're a fucking retard. you're not a communist because of a belief of a better future, you're a misanthropic loser with a bone to pick a society that chewed you up and spat you out. get your pathetic fantasies of revenge out of here
>>2528202he doesn't even have revenge fantasies because nothing bad happened to him in the first place.
>>2528198
>And given that there is no meaningful proletarian population
source?
> most Americans are implacably hostile to any notion that they are not the master race
source?
>any real revolution would require the culling of at minimum 20% of the population
source? especially the nice round number you pulled out of your ass?
>not including the tens of millions who would die from starvation because nobody knows how to get food for themselves without an Amazon delivery.
source? if I grew my own food like you suggest you'd switch rhetorical tactics and call me a petty bourgeois kulak instead of a clueless retard who doesn't know how to get food
> You and other radlibs
source that i'm a "radlib"?
>keep treating revolution in the imperial core as a tool of liberation
source?
> where you change a few names and everyone lives happily ever after
source?
>in decadence and excess.
what is your criteria for what constitutes "decadence" and "excess?" and why do you assume everyone you talk to automatically lives in it?
> This is unequivocally false: revolutions in the imperial core are only meaningful as tools of punishment
oh ok
>to deprive the parasitic nations of their ill gotten gains
oh ok
>Understand that and you might actually be a serious Marxist Leninist one day
oh ok
>Who’s “you”? I just got here
ohhhhhhhhhhhh ok. you definitely aren't the same guy who always gets banned for talking exactly like this right down to the same key phrases.
>>2528198
>because nobody knows how to get food for themselves without an Amazon delivery
socialists spent the last 15 years scolding the actual working class (undocumented people in farms and factories, the symbol of communism is NOT outdated, sorry Zionist app developers) while being worthless PMC "art & culture" critic who have polite debates with Charlie Kirk as that Jewish PMC Marxist Ben Burgis did
>>2527886They made a movie about a cape who has the superpower to make people kill each other…and he's a hero? What in the 1960s CIA MKULTRA honkoid society???
https://youtu.be/MjXOFLeC_NM?si=g-yPRiJy5Ib-dTkf&t=907 >>2528198
>And given that there is no meaningful proletarian population and most Americans are implacably hostile to any notion that they are not the master race any real revolution would require the culling of at minimum 20% of the population, not including the tens of millions who would die from starvation because nobody knows how to get food for themselves without an Amazon delivery.
do you even care whether this "20%" figure is the top 20% or bottom 20% of burger society? because in the direction we're going, it is going to be the the poorest 20% that are culled.
>>2528175
then it's not a revolution, and it's more of the same.
libs will co-opt the term 'revolution', though.
>>2528216The joke doesn't land because a cultist of a great old one is still less evil than a socdem.
>>2528264I wonder how much they spent on ammo
>>2528295do israel think Jesus is king? 🤔🤫
>>2528295>this really is just the bush administrationso was the obama administration and biden administration, and all the administrations that became before bush all dictatorships of the bourgeoisie since the end of the civil war
>the american peopleinterclass nationalist social construct
>>2528304who fucking cares what abrahamism 1.0 thinks about the king of abrahamism 2.0 while they both collaborate to genocide the people of abrahamism 3.0
I've cracked the code on what's going to happen in the next 25 years
>The EU rekindles fascism, unites under a European identity exclusionary of immigrants and justifies it by expanding the war on Russia
<Russia gets juiced up by their socialist Chinese friends and adopts Chinese economic organization to survive the war
>America, now in the same situation as Weimar Germany, now has an uncompetitive economic and social framework relative to the other superpowers, their free unorganized economy vulnerable to being seized by either communists or fascists
>>2528295I hate christfags like this so much, glad a local pro palestinian group went to disrupt an ultra christian zionist church's "bow down to Israel" night that invited Ted Cruz
>>2528314i really need to know what mess his hairline looks like under that.
>>2528295If only we had more Islamic/Christian socialists/communists/liberation theologists to push back on this shit. Not that I'm religious but if they believe in the cause then they're still allies in my book, at least for a while.
>>2528313jfc russia simps are embarrassing
>>2528315lmao, very nice
>>2528314meanwhile venezuela isn't even a threat to US hegemony but they still feel the need to sabotage it with false narco-terrorism accusations, sanctions, coup attempts, and outright slaughter of people on boats, all because it's nominally socialist
>>2528283he admits the burger reich puppet regime is "fighting for its life" as a result of it implementing US-recommended policies of privatization, deregulation, austerity, and union-busting. what does that tell you about those policies?
"to be america's enemy is dangerous. to be america's friend is fatal" - henry kissinger
>>2528312Okay fine mister pedant, "the American proletariat"
>>2528322europes perception of Russia is completely stupid and irrational
>>2528324stop reposting every single tweet from turbolib aaron rupar while ranting about "this administration" (instead of the bourgeoisie) vs. "the american people" (instead of the proletariat) and there would be no need for this allegedly pedantic correction
>>2528321Fat chance. Unfortunately Christianity in America is fundamentally a reactionary death cult that is actively trying to bring about the apocalypse to avoid giving people affordable healthcare and there's really no separating it from that, it goes all the way back to the Great Awakening schizos who helped pioneer the first American Revolution in the first place. A Second American Revolution requires a Faustian ethos to undo the legacy of Americanized Christianity
>>2527923>do you mean all 380 million inhabitants should be livingWe have done these calculations before. Prole life expectancy will rise, above all else, because bad people must die for the good people to live. CPUSA anon for example will be sent down to the farms to heal from liberalism. They must all be reformed or dead, for Communism, like China. There is no in-between.
Firstly, only 62.3% of the american population works at all.
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm This means half of the country must be put into a gulag and we haven't even started yet. Only 9 percent of the americans who do work are good honest proletarian, the rest are just flunkeys and parasites like "marketing managers" and "nutritionists."
https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htmAssuming highly charitable 70% of the enemy can be reformed, then the 22 million proletarians must take reign and lead the revolution and see the 251 million philistines reformed. 107.5 million must die, even under most charitable circumstances.
>>2528314It's all according to plan though. The same plan as last time, by the looks of it.
<Argentina leaning towards US rivals<Turboshill the right while undermining their economy<The right fucks everything up with shock therapy <Picks up a gargantuan debt to the US/IMF and a complete dependence on the dollar<Puts BRICS integration on ice>Rebound to the socdems>Socdems are materially incapable of improving conditions and politically unwilling to go further left to address the problems>Socdems hold the line and improve very little>Socdems lose to the next USAno stooge demagogueGOTO 1 >>2528331You villainize Americans working fake service sector jobs when the actual American factory wokrers are virtually all making weapons, without the military industrial complex we go from a few factories to absolutely none
>>2528335Religion is a crutch, but so what? If someone is addicted to alcohol or smoking or heroin do you force them to immediately go cold turkey and let them suffer and rise/fail on their own will power? No, you use tools and therapies to aid them along the transition. We need as many allies as we can get, so if they fundamentally believe in the premise of social ownership of the means of production and they are reasonable and not hardcore social cuckservatives then we should make as many alliances as possible. The religion question can be deal with after (non-forcefully, if at all possible) once we have an actual socialist foundation to stand upon.
>>2528338how are service sector jobs "fake" is it a "fake" job to take care of an aging population in a nursing home, or to pull bullets out of people in a hospital? Those are "service sector" jobs.
But yes you are right that they aren't contributing to the military industrial complex the way weapons manufacturing does.
If you’re an American you’re vampire, if you’re a disabled American you’re a double vampire, more than the bourgeois in fact. I am socialist by the way.
>>2528342It’s not the production of a physical commodity
>>2528343tfw no vampire gf
>>2528340>Religion is a crutch, but so what? If someone is addicted to alcohol or smoking or heroin do you force them to immediately go cold turkey and let them suffer and rise/fail on their own will power? unfair comparison. there aren't literal physical withdrawl symptoms with religion. also alcoholics aren't (usually) getting their children drunk but religious people actively behave as if their drug is a good thing and try to dose their kids with it as much as possible.
> No, you use tools and therapies to aid them along the transition. Never suggested otherwise
>We need as many allies as we can get, so if they fundamentally believe in the premise of social ownership of the means of production and they are reasonable and not hardcore social cuckservatives then we should make as many alliances as possible. There is no sense of urgency or realistic planning with people who fundamentally think they can pray social ownership into existence or that Jesus can just come back and bring about the end times whenever he feels like. They can be "allies" but they cannot be in key leadership positions under any circumstances… which is why things break down with them. They always demand key leadership positions and don't want to bow to their materialist allies. Any social politics for them is a proxy for putting the one true faith (theirs, of course) in power.
>The religion question can be deal with after (non-forcefully, if at all possible) once we have an actual socialist foundation to stand upon.So you're just postponing the conflict of interests.
>>2528345that doesn't mean the job is fake stupid. it just means it doesn't produce surplus value. every worker starts off as a baby who needs its diapers changed and a bottle fed to it. that's real work, but it's "domestic" and "unpaid" and by your logic "not real work".
That's not Marxist at all, that's just gatekeeping. Marx didn't say service sector jobs were fake, he just said that only commodity production
directly produces surplus value.
>>2528351And that it is very strictly workers who produce surplus value that have an interest in revolution, only those workers can be organized
>>2528361That's a good answer to not wanting to draw feet: half-pill with a paw sticker on one end. Good use of shapes.
>>2528349No, there are withdrawal symptoms, because the brain and the mind are linked through the psychosomatic interactions of the body. Your psychological health affects your body health and issues in one can manifest in the other and vice versa.
>There is no sense of urgency or realistic planning with people who fundamentally think they can pray social ownership into existenceWe're not talking about utopians or liberals, we're talking about people who are socialism/communism inclined but still religious, to varying extents. Most people on Earth are still either religious or religious-influenced to some extent and if we want our movement to grow we should endeavor to seek out as many reasonable allies as possible. I don't agree that, in the short term, a conflict is always inevitable.
>So you're just postponing the conflict of interests.In the worst case scenario. But I would argue many conflicts of interest can be hedged against through further education in the materialist basis. Many still don't entirely understand or accept that the physical is all there is and what we have to work with. Furthermore, I don't agree that banning/purging religion did/will actually address the problem of religious brainwashing. Education is the better way to go about addressing this issue in the long term.
>>2528354>service sector jobs are fake<no they aren't they just don't produce surplus value because they aren't involved in commodity production>ok time to move the goalpost to this other factoid we weren't arguing aboutjust admit that a lot of service sector work (especially taking care of sick, elderly, injured and infants) is real work, even if some of it is nonsense, and stop pretending otherwise. the reproduction of labor power would be seriously crippled without it.
>And that it is very strictly workers who produce surplus value that have an interest in revolution, maybe
>only those workers can be organizedteachers, nurses, firefighters, etc. all have unions and engage in collective bargaining and are capable of class consciousness despite not being commodity producers.
>>2528361why do honkoids always have to be extra-weird
>>2528368Those are all the equivalent of cop unions
>>2528357
of course I have
>>2528373goalpost 1
>service work isn't real workgoalpost 2
>only commodity producers can be organizedgoalpost 3
>ok service sector workers can be organized but it's basically the same as cop unionswhat will goalpost 4 be?
>>2528378Goalpost 4 will be "if you watched a movie you are a hereditary reactionary because Superman is literally Mein Kampf"
>>2528378Cop unions aren’t unions and neither are teachers (cops for children)
>>2528382
“Smash the state” is anarcho nonsense
>>2528368Businessess themselves have unions. CEOs do real work. Stop moralizing
>>2528384Yeah kill the teachers, that'll really resonate with the proletariat
>>2528392
just objectively not an anarchist
>>2528378Service work isn’t real work because it isn’t the work of the revolutionary surplus value producing proletariat, only commodity producers can create REVOLUTIONARY unions, service sector unions are cop unions
>>2528394Public schooling is even less popular than congress
>>2528401Doctors are health kulaks and you shouldn’t trust them, their job is keeping ordinary people away from the medicine and treatment they actually need.
>>2528403why are you jumping in to defend imperialist troops when I was literally giving a much better example (health care workers)
>>2528315Man Atlas Shrugged was such a fucking hilarious fever dream. Apparently Ayn Rand was doing huge lines while she was writing it, which you can kind of tell whenever she rants about all the people she wanted dead.
Ironically one of the "heroes" of the novel was some usurer who was hated because… he didn't give loans away to people who couldn't pay them back.
>>2528406>health care workers<doctorswe have arrived at goalpost 5. i encourage everyone to scroll up and read this conversation from the beginning to see how dishonest this unfunny troll is being
>>2528409PTs and Nurses take direct orders from doctors, they’re accomplices in the crimes of doctors, doctors made up most of the Klan before it was all FBI agents
>>2528408The best part about it is that it's all come true under capitalism.
>>2528410Welcome back Eugene
>>2528397you are confusing marx's prediction of who would be the most revolutionary workers with the question of what is and isn't "real" work. Obviously day care workers, health care workers, teachers, firefighters, waiters, cashiers, truck drivers, etc. aren't producing commodities directly. but they are doing real work that is essential to society functioning. why do you think it's funny to pretend to be stupid like this over and over?
>>2528400The state of public schooling is unpopular, not schooling itself. Congress itself is unpopular, not just the state of it.
>>2528413You all hated Eugene because he was right and constantly exposed your malthusian ideology
>>2528405It’s better to have no schooling than the wrong schooling
>>2528405bruh the right to private schooling is already in the constitution
>>2528361Took me a sec to realize it's Stellaris.
>>2528351I'm pretty sure Marx said service sector workers were still important for shortening the circuit of M - C - M or something along those lines. Also pretty sure he never said "it's only the proles directly producing commodities" that were capable of revolution. But of course we've got a very Evangelical approach to Marxism over here where its more or less just individual egos hiding behind scripture.
>>2528396look felix is annoying and stupid for a lot of reasons but he is correct that Communists desire to smash the bourgeois state and replace it with a proletarian state:
>From 1852 to 1891, or for 40 years, Marx and Engels taught the proletariat that it must smash the state machine. Yet, in 1899, Kautsky, confronted with the complete betrayal of Marxism by the opportunists on this point, fraudulently substituted for the question whether it is necessary to smash this machine the question for the concrete forms in which it is to be smashed, and then sought refuge behind the “indisputable” (and barren) philistine truth that concrete forms cannot be known in advance!!- Lenin,
State and Revolution, Chapter 6
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch06.htm
>In particular, a free market and capitalism, both subject to state control, are now being permitted and are developing; on the other hand, the socialized state enterprises are being put on what is called a profit basis, i.e., they are being reorganized on commercial lines, which, in view of the general cultural backwardness and exhaustion of the country, will, to a greater or lesser degree, inevitably give rise to the impression among the masses that there is an antagonism of interest between the management of the different enterprises and the workers employed in them. The transfer of state enterprises to the so-called profit basis is inevitably and inseparably connected with the New Economic Policy; in the near future this is bound to become the predominant, if not the sole, form of state enterprise. In actual fact, this means that with the free market now permitted and developing the state enterprises will to a large extent be put on a commercial basis. The proletarian state may, without changing its own nature, permit freedom to trade and the development of capitalism only within certain bounds, and only on the condition that the state regulates (supervises, controls, determines the forms and methods of, etc.) private trade and private capitalism. As long as classes exist, the class struggle is inevitable. In the period of transition from capitalism to socialism the existence of classes is inevitable; and the Programme of the Russian Communist Party definitely states that we are taking only the first steps in the transition from capitalism to socialism. Hence, the Communist Party, the Soviet government and the trade unions must frankly admit the existence of an economic struggle and its inevitability until the electrification of industry and agriculture is completed—at least in the main—and until small production and the supremacy of the market are thereby cut off at the roots.- Lenin, Role and Functions of the Trade Unions under the New Economic Policy, 1922
>>2528420>It’s better to have no schooling than the wrong schoolinghow do you expect the next generation of proletarian children to read Marx and Lenin if they can't even read? how do you expect them to run a planned economy if they can't even do math? You are so stupid.
>>2528430Yeah Marx was probably wrong when it came to the state withering away
>>2528433If they can’t read in the first place they can’t be propagandized
>>2528423are you just now jumping into the conversation or are you confused
>>2528430Literally no one is saying "Erm, you have to keep the bourgeois state". Absolutely no one. Thing is Felix does this Motte and Bailey shit where he says "Literally kill EVERYONE and if you disagree you want to DRINK THE BLOOD of BABIES" and then when people call him a psycho he retreats back to "What, so you're saying you disagree with LENIN?!"
>>2528426a distributor of value helps realise value, but they do not themselves create the value they distribute. marx says however that if the means of distribution are given by means of fixed capital (e.g. a train or car) then the capital's value used in this process is imparted into the value of the good (e.g. an imported commodity has shipping costs).
>>2528434If the state is what creates equality and the state withers away, then what happens to the equality it provides?
>>2528443>Literally no one is saying "Erm, you have to keep the bourgeois state". Absolutely no one.yes that is what i was getting at
>Thing is Felix does this Motte and Bailey shit where he says "Literally kill EVERYONE and if you disagree you want to DRINK THE BLOOD of BABIES" and then when people call him a psycho he retreats back to "What, so you're saying you disagree with LENIN?!"we are aware
>>2528445The trvthnvke that kills the ML is that the state is by definition minority rule imposed on the majority, so a "proletarian state" is in and of itself an oxymoron. If the state apparatus is truly representative of the proletariat then it is no longer a state but just an organization
>>2528441there isn't really any reason to think that
>>2528444ok but the original conversation was someone asserting that service sector is all "fake work" they only pivoted to abstract questions of value production after getting called out as slandering people who take care of infants, elderly, injured, and sick workers.
>>2528445The equality self perpetuates in all of it’s equalness or something
>>2528408>>2528315The novel is so poorly written it's funny. Lolbertarians non-ironically view the world as a Minecraft server.
>>2528449this is just you calling a state something else
>>2528449it was only minority rule back when proles were a fraction of the people. now most people are proles
>>2528445>If the state is what creates equalityyou are doing a rhetorical sleight of hand. "the state" does not "create equality." the state is merely an instrument that one class uses to suppress another. a proletarian state suppresses the bourgeoisie.
> and the state withers away, then what happens to the equality it provides?the state does not "provide" "equality." you are constructing a strawman and refuting the strawman.
>>2528450we are already capable of producing way more than people need. capitalists just hold it back for sale. the question is one of ownership and distribution.
>>2528461>we are already capable of producing way more than people need. capitalists just hold it back for sale. the question is one of ownership and distribution.doesn't have anything to do with the state fading away
>>2528361The Portland/Oregonian Frog was kino doe.
>>2528426You are correct CPUSA anon. As Mao explained in 1926, service workers semi-proletarians. They are essential for the bourgeoisie to maintain the oppressive capitalist mechanism of M-C-M over the proletarians. No one has ever questioned this, but to confuse proletarian and semi-proletarian is grave error, but we must also realize that the semi-proletarian commercial employee is just like the industrial worker. He is a hired laborer and subject to the exploitation of the bourgeoisie. The difference between them is that the proletarian industrial worker produces surplus value in the production sphere for the capitalist under his supervision, while the commercial employee realizes surplus value for the capitalist in the exchange sphere under his supervision. Why do we say the commercial employee is subject to exploitation just like the industrial worker? This is because the commercial employee and the industrial worker earn their livings by selling labor power. The value of their labor power has to be determined by labor time needed to reproduce labor power. Although the commercial employee does not create value or surplus value through his labor connected with commodity transactions, the value of commodities and the surplus value embodied must be realized through his labor. Therefore, the labor time of the employee is also divided into necessary labor time and surplus labor time. The part of surplus value realized in the necessary labor time through the employee’s sale of commodities goes to compensate the variable capital with which the commercial capitalist buys the labor power of the employee. In the surplus labor time, the employee works for the commercial capitalist for free in order to enable the commercial capitalist to share part of the surplus value from the industrial capitalist as commercial profit. Therefore, the commercial employee, like the industrial worker, is exploited. The exploitation of the employee by the commercial capitalist is equally cruel. To obtain more commercial profit, the commercial capitalist raises labor productivity by lengthening labor time and increasing labor intensity. He also resorts to deducting wages from the employee and other ruthless means to intensify exploitation. Take the example of the capitalists in the old Shanghai Hsieh-ta-hsiang Silk Goods Company. In order to intensify exploitation of the employee, they set down 120 regulations. The employee was required to work sixteen to seventeen hours a day at high labor intensity. There were so many deductions from his wages that they were not sufficient for a minimum level of subsistence. Under the bloodthirsty extractions of the capitalist, the broad masses of employees, like the multitude of industrial workers, sell not only their labor power but also their lives.
>>2528466Giving power to a party on "behalf" of the proletariat is not the same as giving power to the proletariat
>>2528446Ah, my apologies for misinterpreting you. I thought you were arguing there were people here that honestly wanted to keep the bourgeois state. Mea culpa.
>>2528444Oh for sure, I mean I'm a service worker myself so I'm not kidding myself into thinking I'm literally creating the products we sell (though I suppose it could be argued that "customer service" is kind of value created) just that you'll get Haz types saying "Well baristas aren't proles" because they've got this aesthetic image of the laborer as a guy producing steel girders constantly.
>>2528455Unironically that's what "Galt's Gulch" is, like I remember specifically there's a dude who's like "There's copper up in them hills and I'm gonna mine it and refine it myself!" Soon as I read that I was like "wait a fucking second."
Also they portray Capitalists ruthlessly driving each other out of business as "Haha! Good show old chap! I can't wait to work for you!" Instead of "well there goes my livelihood"
>>2528459In regards to Capitalists stealing peoples' lives, I've got coworkers that work multiple jobs and almost use cocaine like an energy supplement.
>>2528468it is if the party is proletariat
>>2528468I already work 8 hours in a steel factory, I don’t want to govern or be more responsible with thinking about where the tens of thousands of pounds of steel go or what it’s used for, I’m fucking tired, so is everyone else at mu job who doesn’t smoke meth
>>2528471I'm discussing the fact there is nothing to suggest the state would wither away. You're on about something else
The problem with communists is your promise to the workers is even more work
>>2528468>partyfirst you complain about state:
>If the state apparatus is truly representative of the proletariat then it is no longer a state but just an organizationwhile doing "no true scotsman" with states to say that if you really represent the proletariat you are "no true state" but "just an organization"
>now you complain about "party"next you will complain about any organization whatsover. You say "just an organization" but are state and party not just forms of organization? Why not? And Lenin said the state and party should be purged by the non-party workers if needed:
> The purging of the Party has obviously developed into a serious and vastly important affair.
>In some places the Party is being purged mainly with the aid of the experience and suggestions of non-Party workers; these suggestions and the representatives of the non-Party proletarian masses are being heeded with due consideration. That is the most valuable and most important thing. If we really succeed in purging our Party from top to bottom in this way, without exceptions, it will indeed be an enormous achievement for the revolution.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/sep/20.htmSo what is the problem here? Why do you complain?
>>2528474you are just asserting that it won't happen and I'm saying that question won't be answered until we actually have communism. so you are just whining about far off irrelevant bullshit because you think Marx was wrong. OK let's get to that point and see if he is wrong.
>>2528472well you wouldn't be a part of that, there will definitely be a group of people that are uninvolved in politics where the action policy making will be done by those who have participated in the revolution and their decendants
>>2528475You didn’t read. I can tell.
>>2528475Only the Troglodytes. The sensible pitch is that Marxism would drastically improve your quality of life: no more worrying about debt and homelessness.
>>2528479yeah Marx was probably wrong and you're whining HARD about that fact, huge cope to be honest, you aren't even trying to discuss this fact
sad
>>2528475>your promise to the workers is even more workwhy would there be more work in a society where we don't have artificial scarcity, planned obsolesence, deliberate destruction of surplus commodities in a conspiracy to raise prices, contrived imperialist wars that destroy means of production, etc.? It would be way less work. You just automate everything you can, produce what people need, give it to them, and then they put in exactly the amount of work they are capable of putting in without it being abusive.
>>2528481Yes it is, your demand is that workers govern society, you demand that I not only take care of my job and house (which I can barely keep up with) but that my input is needed on government affairs on at least a weekly if not daily basis
>>2528486>probablyok let's get to the point where it's more than "probably"
>you're whining HARD about that fact, huge cope to be honest, you aren't even trying to discuss this fact what's there to discuss? it's a prediction about what will happen under communism. we haven't even built lower stage socialism yet. to prove him wrong we have to actually get there first. so let's get there.
>>2528482Reading is gay
>>2528487Then people will just goon to AI generated images all day
>>2528484That hasn’t happened in China despite 80 years of communist rule
>>2528488>your demand is that workers govern society, you demand that I not only take care of my job and house (which I can barely keep up with) but that my input is needed on government affairs on at least a weekly if not daily basisthe burden on workers comes from exploitation, not from self-governance.
>>2528477>you complain about this tool of minority rule, but also complain about this other tool of minority rule, curious!All you're doing here is trying to square the circle of reconciling a dictatorship over the proletariat with the idea that this somehow liberates them
>>2528492>Then people will just goon to AI generated images all dayif this is all you think people are capable of when self governing, why are you on here arguing about politics with me in your free time instead of "gooning to AI generated images"?
>>2528488>>2528492You are not a serious human being, and are nothing more than a drone crying for master
>>2528500Correct
>>2528496Home ownership in China is 90% for urban dwellers IIRC, in America it's
65%.
i got one guy saying communism is evil minority rule of state
and i got another guy saying worker self governance is too much work even if exploitation is ended
meanwhile capitalism is exploitative AND minority rule
these people aren't serious or honest. they're just trying to poke holes in communism by pretending they already live under it
>>2528490yeah and the prediction is probably wrong
you're desperately trying to avoid that fact by whining about lower stage socialism
>>2528507>probablyok well you aren't going to get much further than asserting a prediction is "probably" wrong until we actually get to a point in history where it can be definitely proven wrong. so there's nothing to discuss.
>>2528504Rural labor that goes into Chinese cities are effectively homeless thanks to the registration system
>>2528509and yet you keep replying because you can't stop whining that this fact hurts your feelings
>>2528469well once you view labour objectively you realise that machines are more productive than any man, so why take pride in being redundant? and of course, haz himself as this online chieftan gets paid to sit around all day. where is his "value"?
>>2528501Because my dick starts to hurt and I get depressed if I cum more than twice in a day
>>2528507what's there to avoid? the withering away of the state is something marx predicts will happen at a point where we are much further along in building socialism than we already are. he never predicted the state would wither away under capitalism, which we still live under, or under lower stage socialism, but under communism. so until we get communism, you can't prove that prediction wrong, because that prediction is a prediction about what will happen under communism. do you want to keep going in circles and wasting everyone's time "hurr durr cope im right ur wrong" is all you're saying over and over again. like what are we supposed to say to that "yeah you're so right dude, you win?" even if we do that you still won't shut the fuck up because you exist to be an annoying brat.
>>2528502You can’t be a serious person and an internet user period
>>2528513>communism isn't Marxism-Leninismoh boy, what weird sectarian tendency are you then? syndicalist?
>>2528517yes I know its a further prediction that Marx is wrong considering we are closer to communism then he was we can more accurately predict what will happen
so if you want to whine about not being able to predict what will happen under communism you're also whining about Marx too.
not a good look for you
>>2528522your concession is accepted
>>2528520And there we go. Communism is just Marxism Leninism and any deviation from that or hell anything beyond LARPing as if we're the Bolsheviks in early 20th century Russia is [insert buzzword meaning bad here]. If you're just going to dogmatically cling to the Russian Revolution as the end all be all of communism then there's no point to continuing this conversation
>>2528518Definitely in this economy, cope
>>2528500>dictatorship over the proletariatthat's not what a dictatorship OF THE proletariat is, you're just being dishonest
>>2528295Is there anyone more annoying on this planet than American Protestants or adult Catholic converts?
>>2528524what's there to concede
>Marx says blah blah blah will happen a long time from now<well that's probably wrong>we won't know until we get there<UMM COPE COPE SEETHE DILATE I WIN CONCESSION ACCEPTED BY REPLYING YOU FEED ME HURR DURRthat's been our entire "conversation"
>>2528530The average Israeli
>>2528534I try not to think about Israelis more than I have to, but you're right.
>>2528531lmao you're so mad
>>2528537low quality bait
>>2528529You asked a loaded question implying I'm a "sectarian" because I'm skeptical of the idea of a political party representing the proletariat as a whole, and then have the gall to pretend you're not the one being dogmatic
>>2528538not even bait you're just visibly upset
>>2528539everything that isn't ML is sectarian
>>2528539i'm just asking what strategies people should be using to achieve socialism instead of ML strategies. answer the question.
>>2528542Was there a topic you were actually interested in discussing?
>>2528543That is a sectarian statement
>>2528545In the context of the United States I believe a mix of Leninist and anarchist theory and tactics is more conducive to achieving socialism rather than just copying the Bolshevik playbook over and over again like we've been doing for the past hundred years and wondering why we never get anywhere
>>2528548Don’t care, still sectarian
>>2528549have people in the US really been "copy pasting Bolshevism"
>a mix of Leninist and anarchist theory and tactics what I see in the US is actually this already
Just kill everyone, then there’s no issues and no goddamn politica
>>2528546yers Marx being wrong about the withering away of the state
If American socialism was possible, it would have happened already
>>2528547no its pre sectarian
>>2528546no, he's clearly just wasting your time and is probably an emotionally stunted person with antisocial personality disorder who only enjoys conversation as a vehicle for fucking with people
>>2528554There's a lot of either one or the other but very little synthesis. Anarchists are too allergic to organizations of any kind and Leninists are either too focused on party politics or allergic to the concept of federalization
>>2528557Reactionary Misanthropy solves nothing
>>2528560No, it’s just sectarian
>>2528441>>2528471Why didn't marx come up with this simple table explaining the state of affairs to be achieved, is he stupid?
>>2528565Misanthropy is progressive, the actual communists are dolphins, orangutans, bonobos, and black bears
>>2528569He was too drunk and cheating on Jenny
>>2528571Misanthropy Is inherently regressive. Going back to a time where man did not exist is unacceptable and reactionary.
>>2528569>the state of affairs to be achievedyour joke did not go unnoticed
>>2528579Yes it is, sectarian
>>2528580MLs can't be sectarian
>>2528581The absolutely can sectarian
>>2528576You realize humans aren’t the only animals that use tools and have opposable thumbs right? There’s no reason we couldn’t be replaced with a more social Great Ape
>>2528576I think it doesn't go far enough. We need to go back to the Archæan Eon - no oxygen, just a methane atmosphere and a few unicellular chemotrophs floating around in the sea, no bullshit aerobic life.
>>2528584I’m a moderate, the Permian period was great, if you removed the Siberian volcanoes it was basically perfect
>>2528583There is no other animal on this planet that uses tools as complex as man’s
>There’s no reason we couldn’t be replaced with a more social Great ApeThe amount of resources invested into man’s development and climate change says otherwise. Either man succeeds or everything dies.
>>2528583>There’s no reason we couldn’t be replaced with a more social Great Apewe are already replacing ourselves, with newer versions of ourselves. that's what it means to reproduce and evolve
>>2528586They killed Greek communists for geopolitical games
>>2528586Oh they most certainly can.
>>2528590The newer version sucks, it’s pay to win buggy software
>>2528586You never even heard of the Sino Soviet split huh
>>2528527This is not a serious economy
>>2528594the USSR departed from Marxist Leninism at that time
>>2528592Oh they most certainly can't.
>>2528597God it's like pointing at Sears catalogs from the 1950s.
>retvrnThey're really led by chuds aren't they?
>>2528601Your insistence is futile sectarian. They posses no special qualities to be considered exempt.
>>2528603>muh SorosCome on now
>>2528598A very unserious economy that drives out the serious
>>2528607Would be great if the left actually had billionaires backing us. Where's our Armand Hammer?
>>2528606My insistence is not futile sectarian. They posses plenty of special qualities to be considered exempt.
>>2528611I want the resources of a billionaire, hold the billionaire
>>2528607<ignores realitywelp Soros funds liberal protests idk what else to tell you
>>2528611It’s against Chinese policy to have their businessmen interfere into the politics of other countries
>>2528612Your accusation falls flat when you are the one insisting you have special judgement for yourself, sectarian.
>They posses plenty of special qualities to be considered exempt.They possess zero qualities to be considered exempt, and you cannot tell me of these qualities because they do not exist.
>>2528597>"Work to make the evil empire richer so we can defeat China as we did with the the Soviet Union so we can return to 80s and 90s privatization and austerity to repeat the cycle of misery and suffering."Then the evangelicals complain that people don't want children and that Christians are persecuted.
>>2528615"Sorosbux" are a drop in the bucket compared to the sheer volume of astroturfed rightoid nonsense being funded by Musk, Thiel, Zuckerberg, and other billionaires
>>2528605At least Catholic heaven looks like a party.
But yeah there’s some kind of omnipresent silence in WASP culture. My dad was kind of like that too, and we’ve had a nasty neighbor that would try calling the cops at 2:00 in the afternoon if they heard anyone playing music.
>>2528605U.S is the country with the most transhumanist derangement syndrome, i bet nobody can show a worse example.
>>2528618My accusation does not fall flat when I am the one insisting ML's have special judgement for myself, you are the sectarian.
>They possess zero qualities to be considered exempt, and you cannot tell me of these qualities because they do not exist.They possess plenty qualities to be considered exempt,
>>2528627>My accusation does not fall flat when I am the one insisting ML's have special judgement for myselfIt in fact does
>They possess plenty qualities to be considered exemptYou cannot name them
>>2528272>The joke doesn't land because a cultist of a great old one is still less evil than a socdem.That *is* the joke. The "socdem" IS the cultist.
They have nothing to offer but preying on your basest fears and abandoning whatever notion you currently hold of humanity to accept becoming an appendage of the monstrous system what wears their skin like a glove. They are hollowed out non-persons racing down annihilation in a
cosmic economic pyramid scheme.
The average "socdem" by american standards offhandedly signs on to the Generalplan Ost of the week inbetween invoking gibs they will never get. The only thing they have to offer, is akin to the cultists: Join now and you will be spared the worst of it when the forces we worship eventually consume all. Join the winning side of hegemony. Become as the monster now, or become nothing later.
>>2528630>It in fact doesIt in fact does not
>You cannot name themI can
>>2528631You know that hysterical hyperbole makes people even less likely to take you seriously right?
>>2528626The UK far out mogs you. There's a reason some call it the TERF island.
>>2528633It in fact does
>I canYou cannot
>>2528637It in fact does not
>You cannotI can
>>2528636Lol? In the UK trans people are not forced into prostitution to survive and murdered at staggering levels. Get a sense of perspective.
>>2528635When they don’t take you seriously you just say they’re genetic fascists revealing their true face
>>2528641
Still waiting for you to blow up that unguarded factory or liberate your own city from ICE occupation
>>2528639You are clearly running on fumes at this point. I’ll take your desperate responses as a concession and be on my way from this discussion.
>>2528644your concession is accepted
>>2528640I think it'd be difficult to find a country where a significant portion of trans folx don't have to resort to sex work to survive.
>>2528643No see when other people don’t do that it’s because they gleefully want to see people brutalized, when I don’t it’s because I’m a heccin’ smol bean, but you’ve got no excuse because you needed to destroy the country yesterday.
>>2528471The primary stage of socialism is Communism. You promulagate phony, anti-Party stagist theories as expounded upon here
>>2519777 >>2528621Isnt no kings supposed to be the biggest state sanctioned protest? I dont think the maggots have done anything to that scale
>>2528654
Okay larper
>>2528655
>>2528654
Your belief system hardly works given it’s predicated on you being the main character of history who gets the special exemption from making any sacrifices or doing anything that doesn’t benefit himself.
>>2527733Petit booj have always been the historical base of fascism. If push comes to shove I rather have them be succdems than add even more of them to the ranks of MIGA.
>>2528654
See you dont even make real arguments, you just assert that you're correct from the get go and then come up with all these lurid reasons why your opponents dare disagree with you which boil down to "they know they're wrong and dont care because they're EVIL" which is about as unscientific of a worldview as you can get. Still waiting for you to blow up that factory by the way
>>2528654
MLism IS revisionism. A misrepresentation of both Marx and Lenin to justify the Stalinist counter-revolution and abandonment of international communism.
It's funny that CPUSA anon gets draws all the ire when I am the dude
>i dont like this president so this democracy is actually le monarchy
why are middle classers always so fucking retarded bruh
>>2528664Be honest with me anon, do you suffer from autism?
>>2528663*the dude that is probably foremost pushing what they are so mad about. But I don't use a name.
>>2528664Liberal democracy is when things I like happen, when things I don't like happen it's authoritarianism or fascism
>>2528664It is obvious to anyone paying attention the republicans are trying to soft coup the US to establish a one party dictatorship (with just one party this time instead of two). Hell they even wrote a manifesto explaining all of that.
>>2528660We’ve gone over this maybe a dozen times and you just ignore it and then try to spin the argument around because you’re a mentally ill man suffering from several compulsions but your line of logic, based explicitly on what you say:
>People are fully aware of the crimes of the U.S. government and are consciously, gleefully complicit in those crimes.>You say NOT shooting the government, NOT engaging in violence is willful collaboration. <But you aren’t a collaborator because you complain about things on the internet, even though there are millions of Americans that complain about the country every day.>You have no excuse to wait, because waiting is actively aiding in the murder of people oversees.<But YOU are waiting to build an army that you never recruit for, never train, and never organize>When other people buy commodities they’re imagining a child being worked to death in a mine and getting off to it<When YOU buy a commodity it’s because mummy is sick and she needs that Siri and whoops she’s dead and well, I guess if they’re just gonna throw it away you might as well take it.>When other people protest it’s effete liberalism because they aren’t blowing anything up or calling for blood<When you don’t leave your house and talk about how mad you are on an image board, it’s revolutionary praxis because you sound angrier.>When other people don’t abruptly stop their lives to do terrorism it’s a profound act of selfishness<When you don’t it’s because YOUR life would be endangered.https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/You won’t internalize any of this. Because you’ve got a mental illness you refuse to address. Your first instinct will just be to try to mirror the accusation back at me through hyperbole or outright fiction, but this is what you are.
>>2528683Dvde trvst me Felix is totally gonna lead his totally real and existing militant cadres and they're gonna execute you any day now. Any day now…
Venezuela regime change status?
>>2528684Yknow beyond the fact that the prophet Marx (pbuh) said it, what makes nationalism bad? Well in simple terms it’s because you’re dying to make other men, the capitalist class, richer. It’s the working class that makes the sacrifice and the capitalist class that reaps the gains. If you explain it in these simple terms, that there’s no reason to die for some Boeing execs to buy another mansion, then anyone can understand it.
Yet a certain type of “communist” has somehow recreated the worst excesses of this nationalism as a form of “internationalism”, you’re supposed to die and actively see yourself as a loathsome worm, and for what? Not for yourself, not for your family, or neighbors, or friends, but to make someone else richer. You’ve got to make all the sacrifices and never think even for a moment about your own life, just serve people bound to you by a wholly abstract and socially constructed identity.
If living here makes you a beneficiary of imperialism, we do not and never again will have a majority of workers in surplus value producing sectors, nor do we have a peasant mass ready, nor will any of the parties or organs be ready to take power, isn’t suicide a revolutionary act? Doubly so if it’s murder suicide?
>>2528692There is 0% chance AOC is going to board the ship that already sank.
>>2528693This entire country is a sinking clown car, so who fucking cares?
>>2528692Why are you screenshotting a random nobody? What is the source?
>>2528687Honestly just ignore these guys already. You know their idea is a nonstarter with everyone. They will never convince anyone, they are too cowardly to repeat these ideas IRL, that's why they spend so much time here spamming their brain sharts over and over. Their ideas aren't even worthy of debate, but even if they were you have already done it a hundred ttimes.just ignore the peanut gallery.
>>2528707I mean it does accomplish the goal of making organizing here even harder than it already is. Speaking of the No Kings rally, anybody make any contacts in the field? The DC one had the usual gaggle of Revcoms, SEP, and DSA guys handing out flyers but I also saw a newspaper from the Progressive Labor Party
>>2528687It just bad politics, communist in the U.S have more of a mandate to claim the mantle of nationalism more than ever. The Israel situation has left a clear opening for the left to proclaim to be the only ones serving the American people interest and not some foreign power or international corporations. Trump is our inbred king and bibi is the evil wizard whispering in his ear. We know how that story goes so we should take a page out of Lenin’s book at seize at the moment.
I want to kill myself so badly, I can't live like this anymore, life here is so awful and I can't work or sleep or do any of the things I have to do, because every moment of every day is made up of reminders that life means nothing and has no purpose or value. Every single second, that's all I can think and hear. I was destined to live and die this way and I resent it to no end.
>>2528692>new leaks given to @TrumpsHuricane on twitteryea how about fuck off back to your containment website.
>>2528722this but because of my lack of a girlfriend.
what's the point of slaving under capitalism without one?
>>2528729I have a gf but it doesn't reduce my suffering. I used to want to be loved, but then realized it all does nothing to actually reduce suffering.
>>2528738I struggle to find a way to suffer through this gracefully. I feel like I've been tainted by this life, and that the act of a beautiful death is the only way to redeem all this. That's what it feels like to me.
>>2528744>the act of a beautiful death is the only way to redeem all this.at least take out a porky with you
https://reut.rs/4otGquISo it looks like an appeals court officially gave Trump the go ahead to invade Portland with the national guard
>>2528719I don’t really see it as “nationalism” if we’re talking ideologically or with chauvinism, I see it as a love of people and a desire to do right by the social body I find myself in. When I think of America I think of the people in it, not necessarily the bourgeois nation-state.
Like a customer came through my line, Hispanic woman, and she was smiling from ear to ear. I asked her how she was doing and she was giddy to tell me she finally got her citizenship. And you know what? I was happy for her, I told her I was glad to have her as my countryman. Even the stuff that’s “different” or diverse here, I still see it as part of a greater whole: I wish my Muslim customers a happy Ramadan and my Jewish ones a happy Hanukkah, as corny as it might sound, I want an America that can live up to the highest and most noble aspirations of its people.
Lost my job earlier this month, can't find another one so far, and might lose my apartment. I'm seeing so many other people in the same position and I guess unemployment numbers are skyrocketing while nobody seems to talking about it
Shit is so fucked guys
>>2528765
By your own logic you're just as complicit in imperialism
>>2528719>>2528754You can still have empathy and solidarity with your fellow workers but nationalism of all forms needs to be avoided by communists like the plague. And yes, that includes so called "socialist" patriotism or which ever way you may want to white wash it.
>>2528772
You are actively benefitting from imperialism and choosing to do nothing about it so yes you are just as guilty as he is
>>2528767Yer a lumpen now Harry
>>2528773>You are actively benefitting from imperialism Y'all can repeat this nationalist retardism whatever times you want. It's still isn't true. Muh iPhone doesn't nullify class struggle, sorry.
>>2528751Guess dancing with inflatable furry costumes wasn't enough to stop fascism.
The left and libs can have all the PR wins they want but they'll never be able to beat the fascists at the Free Marketplace of Ideas™, force needs to be met with force and I'm afraid all decent Americans will realize this far too late.
>Another round of in-nationalists vs out-nationalists pretending to be communists
Lmao
>>2528777Shhhh I know it's not true, I'm making fun of the dude. By his own admission everyone who is not actively engaging in forming an army with a strict Marxist Leninist ideological viewpoint to "destroy America" whatever that means is complicit in the most evil regime to ever live
>>2528781
So what party/coalition is it that's the true vanguard then? And why haven't you done anything?
I hate the internet. You are punished for thinking or putting any effort or nuance into a conversation. It's a race to the bottom against bots and trolls. Why bother.
>>2528784Just ignore the bots and trolls and have conversation with people willing to honestly engage in it.
>>2528778Hey if we're lucky these guys will have fully bought into the "Portland cops are in the league with antifa" conspiracy and they start shooting at each other
>>2528767jesas, for how much I feel like I'm suffocating living with my parents at least I have the guarantee of a roof over my head and food
>>2528770national divisions still exist because of chauvinism, patriotism, jingoism, supremacism. It is precisely because the imperial core nations occupied, sanctioned, looted, privatized etc. the peripheral nations that the peripheral nations have taken up national liberation struggles, a core element of which is … nationalism. Until you can truly get to a point where this is no longer the state of affairs, nationalism will continue to show up both on the left in the form of anti-colonial national liberation struggles, and on the right in the form of imperialist jingoism. If you really want a situation where "the worker has no country" you have to get rid of imperialism. Also "internationalism" is not "anti-nationalism." Internationalism implies the existence of multiple nations in an egalitarian framework where they respect each others' sovereignty and development. You can't have internationalism under imperialism, but you also can't destroy the nation without getting rid of imperialism.
>>2528615Money's got no owners, only spenders
>>2528623My town organized some neighborhood block "party" recently and invited everybody (it's part of some "community engagement" thing), and I wandered over there and they set it up in the parking lot of a Protestant church (one of the acapella exclusive ones – the same kind my extended family of aunts and uncles goes to) and there was a Catholic guy who I met who lives down the street and was joking around whether they would let Catholics hang out in their parking lot. He looked like Carl from Aqua Teen (with the tank top) with a large, gaudy crucifix necklace around his neck. Really. And I was like what's the difference between Catholics and these people, and he said "Catholics like to party!" His name was Bill … like Dollar Bill!
I didn't ask him where he was from originally, but he definitely is not from around here. He must have been from Pittsburg or something.
>>2528664https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._United_States “Look, Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. You don’t know anything about it. … They’re fighting for their life. … They have no money, they have no anything. … They’re dying.”
Axios
Guys wtf I thought the free market though?
>>2527648Framing the narratives for those in willful, vincible ignorance to perpetuate the invincible ignorance fallacy. I think Yuri Bezmenov called it demoralization.
>>2528817Quite simply, they have betrayed the Constitution and millions of Americans want it back.
>>2528564well when you have a federalized organization, it's very easy for individual cells to go rogue and break rank and sabotage everything because they disagree with a collective decision where they lost the vote
>>2528315The Fountainhead was so much better compared to Atlas Shrugged and half the novel is a rapey love triangle where the 2 main male characters squabble over who gets to rape Ayn Rand's self insert
>>2528821I think a good example of this is Opus Dei giving us a court that abdicates it's duty to check the executive branch.
>>2528827Burgers will see shit like this and think "hell yeah"
>>2528790Only good outcome
>>2528832nobodies gonna vote for a californian democrat
>>2528530I call them posers. At least the public ones who virtue signal as cover for their vice. And that's most of them. Oh yeah..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AssMSrOXq4 >>2528692Kopmala and AOCIA will be the perfect Democrat candidates for the coronation of J.D. Vance.
>>2528840 (me)
the shrapnel in question. it was a nothingburger.
>>2528843If the Dems were smart they'd be looking at the Illinois Governor. Those two are a liability with poor political instincts or they'd understand that neither stands a chance in a ge.
>>2528692Bullshit. She would 100% pick Bootyjudge instead.
>>2528830>Burgers will see shit like this and think "hell yeah"burgers will see shit like this and think "what does opulent mean?"
honkoid status?
>>2528864
>my communist party is totally real and badass but she goes to another school, you wouldn't know her
>>2528595Nah, they do grocery store work, then Amazon deliveries, then stuff like Uber or Lyft. There's enough connections to the drug trade that they'll use Cocaine to wake them up if they're feeling tired. I'd have a few that I knew dealt on the sides sometimes slip into our public restroom, then come out sniffling and give a little wink. Some coworkers I know would use it to quickly recover from a hangover, usually just caused them to violently puke though.
>>2528806Well to be fair, I think Matt Christman hit the nail on the head when he described the early divisions in the church between "northern" and "southern" Catholics in Europe was that Northerners were all dour and took things seriously and stressed about theological issues like "redemption" and free will, while Mediterranean Catholics just kind of saw it as a "get out of Hell free" card if you made the right offerings and shit.
But to be honest I think part of the "Party Catholics" stereotype might stem from an awareness of death. Like, let's be honest, Churches can be kind of macabre at times. We have crucifixes, which freak out foreigners sometimes because they see it and they're all "Why the fuck are these people worshipping a statue of a dude being tortured to death?" Weirdly enough there's also a bit of overlap between some Goth subcultures and Catholicism.
And I think it's that acknowledgement that death and suffering are part of life that drives a kind of passion or light hedonism, perhaps. You sort of get this in Scorsese where he'll make these movies about absolute scum of the earth mobsters, it's got death, sex, drugs, just an indulgence in sin, and then the Catholic guilt sets in and he comes back with something like "Silence".
>>2528863
bro why do you care about CPUSA when it's an irrelevant dead party with 20K members. If anything the main parties to target for destruction right now are democrats and Republicans and you can have your internecine struggle against CPUSA and PSL and whoever else you hate later on when it's actually relevant.
>>2528864
>Why would I tell a bunch of militant anti-communists what party I'm in?
why do you come on here every day to talk with us supposed "militant anti-communists"? you should be plotting to kill us, by your logic, not talking to us. Maybe your job is to waste our time with divisive bullshit. The internet is full of reactionary liberal and conservative groups you could do this kind of trolling against but you choose leftypol to be hostile to for some reason. You find the most irrelevant dead outnumbered websites to seethe at and the most irrelevant dead outnumbered parties to seethe at. What's your problem, guy? Get some priorities.
>>2528846The shrapnel is just more tepid water.
To boil more frogs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7r6XgjVdMY why does the bank keep calling me to accept a credit card i never asked for and dont want
>>2528873Please see:
>>2527892
>Everything is personal for them>They hold grudges>>2527912Sorry I missed this, homie. But most importantly I'm sorry you went through that. We had a family therapist that saw narcissistic tendencies in my dad so trust me when I say I can understand, at least on some level, the pain that comes with having a narcissist in your life.
Healing's possible though my man. It really is. I hope you're in a much better place mentally now.
>The UK does not own the Trident II D5 ballistic missiles. It owns the warheads that sit on top. The missiles are owned by the US Navy and provided to the UK under a "pool" arrangement. The missiles are drawn from a common pool shared with US Ohio-class submarines at the King's Bay, Georgia, strategic weapons facility.
is the UK literally retarded?
>>2527892this is my boss to a tee
>>2528892I'm a different poster but have extensive experience with malignant narcissists. I can't remember where I heard this quote but it stuck with me.. something like 'the narcissistic relationship is like tangled vines where growth is choked and fear becomes the gardener'.
>>2528904I think what really fucked me up was like, if you're raised by them its really hard to develop a solid self-image. When love, like the love of a parent, becomes conditional then you run the risk of becoming some doormat "people pleaser" and never really figure out who you are.
>>2528873>bro why do you care about CPUSA when it's an irrelevant dead party with 20K members. If anything the main parties to target for destruction right now are democrats and Republicans and you can have your internecine struggle against CPUSA and PSL and whoever else you hate later on when it's actually relevant.>>2528878>why do you come on here every day to talk with us supposed "militant anti-communists"? you should be plotting to kill us, by your logic, not talking to us. Maybe your job is to waste our time with divisive bullshit.Iron Felix is a Fed like Sakai and I'll die on that hill. He acts exactly how a Fed would act, does nothing but derail but offers no solution. Literally the COINTELPRO playbook.
>>2528907It's no wonder everything is so expensive.
>>2528692I think Pritzker has the best chance at this point TBH.
>>2528901british ruling class believe they are greece to america's rome. like a older mentor to a young chap some ancient greek pederasty shit. so they probably think this is a spendid arrangement, let the americans handle it, do it on the cheap, while blustering about the 'independent' nuclear deterrent. by the way when palestine action spraypainted a RAF tanker jet it was discovered it was leased through seven shell comapnies with the eventual owner being a US hedge funde lol
>>2528915So is Trump.
And most Americans.
>>2528913true, Pritzker is the sleeper pick rn but I've heard he has a lot of skeletons in his closet
>>2528908Depersonalization is part of maintaining what they perceive as extension of themselves and not someone of equal dignity. If they didn't experience discipline out of love and instead endured similar abuse as a child, it perpetuates the cycle. To be a survivor is to say "it ends with me".
>>2528921Nah that's dumb as fuck. Trump is fucking hideous and obese. If he tried that line of attack it would immediately backfire. Pritzker actually knows how to respond to Trump.
Chris Christie lost because he was a sniveling weasel, the fat jokes were just kinda funny.
>House Republican Randy Fine Admits on CNN He’s So ‘Intense’ It ‘Scares’ People
jewish guy btw
>>2528921every american knows fat guys are funny
>>2528872>Weirdly enough there's also a bit of overlap between some Goth subcultures and Catholicism.I was at a goth-industrial show recently and there were two girls dressed up as goth nuns. They looked like they arrived to deliver a message from the Bene Gesserit sisterhood, but they looked great. Maybe that's in style now.
>>2528662You are retarded
Leftypol will still tell you there is zero difference
US appeals court lets Trump send troops to Portland
The unsigned majority opinion was joined by Circuit Judge Bridget Bade and Circuit Judge Ryan Nelson, who were both appointed by Trump in his first term. Nelson also wrote a concurring opinion saying courts have no ability to even review the president's decision to send troops.
Circuit Judge Susan Graber, an appointee of Democratic President Bill Clinton, dissented. She said allowing troops to be called in response to "merely inconvenient" protests was "not merely absurd" but dangerous, and she said the full 9th Circuit should overturn the ruling before Trump has a chance to send troops.
Oregon Attorney General Dan Rayfield also called for a reconsideration by the 9th Circuit, saying the ruling puts America on a "dangerous path."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-allows-trump-send-troops-portland-oregon-2025-10-20/>>2528872Oh you're KKKatholiKKK. That makes a lot of sense actually. When your whole life is based around deeply reactionary fairy tales it's not a shocker you turned out so fucked up.
>>2528937Democrats are either complicit or so incompetent it doesn’t matter anyways. If Kamala had one the republican governors and courts would be doing all the shit that’s happening now and Kamala would just come out acting helpless and saying shit like
>I dissent!>This isn’t who we are >>2528937Democrats had 4 years of Biden to arrest Trump for his many felonies and reiterate that no one is above the law but they just sat on their hands. They wanted this outcome. Their victim complex is exactly what I'd expect from controlled opposition.
>>2528941Okay so court votes don't matter at all apparently now. Anything to avoid reality
>>2528944>court votes don't matter at all apparently now.They never did. As evidenced by the fact Republican judges always side with Republican politicians and Democrat judges always do nothing.
>>2528947You would rather die I am pretty sure then blame a Republican for anything. Same as the other thread where people refuse to call Trump's current movement fascism and keep saying it is just liberalism. I am pretty sure no matter what happens or how bad things get you'll just say both sides are exactly the same and that Democrats would do every single thing trump is doing now so it is pointless speaking with you about this.
>>2528944The Supreme Court literally passed the
>the president can do whatever they want lmao During biden, and instead of immediately removing the judges or packing the court. Literally anything he chose to do nothing. Again, either the dems are complicit in this or they’re so incompetent they might as well be.
>>2528948Republicans seek power.
Democrats seek to capitulate to power.
I blame both for being part of the same system of Capital.
You're on the wrong website, but I'll humor you: why didn't Biden arrest Trump for his numerous felonies?
>>2528950Did you see who appointed who?
>>2528951I am not on the wrong website at all. Trump's 2016 run was a joke and harmless. Right now his leadership is doing insanely destructive things everyday ramping it up more and more. I am not going to pretend it is not happening cause you act like I am cringe for saying that.
>>2528953Okay, since you're avoiding the question let me ask again: If Trump is such a danger to democracy, why did Biden not arrest him?
>>2528951Obviously to avoid violent riots, domestic terrorism and to fragilize even more the US state, damned if he did or didn't.
>>2528954I never said trump is such a danger for democracy. He is just a face like a ceo. It is the apparatus around him that came around this time who knows how to implement actual fascist policy. They are only somewhat limited by institutions and even then they continue to just not follow rulings as hard as they can. Trump is a used car salesmen retard. He's there to rally the troops making people get on board with things since he has a cult of personality. The people in his cabinet, lawyers and organizations are the ones doing the real work. If you honestly believe this is what Democrats would be doing, all of this I think you are delusional
I think are so stuck on 2016-2020 run where you could say the sides are similar and now you refuse to admit you are wrong and that what trump team is doing is so much worse. You would do anything to refuse to admit you are wrong. That's my last reply
>>2528953All shit Biden help lay the groundwork along with the democratic congress and senate. Also let’s not forget the democrats instead of literally doing anything about the outright criminal activities of the Republican Party. Chose to help prosecute and defend a genocide.
>>2528954>If Trump is such a danger to democracy, why did Biden not arrest him?Because that would set precedense that presidents are legally accountable.
>>2528947The Republican is your drunk abusive dad, the Democrat is the enabling mother, she’s worse
>>2528963Yeah no I don't believe Democrats are worse than Republicans. Even in your example if a father was beating the shit out of daughter and the mom was not speaking up I would still see the father as a worse person.
>>2528953Still a different poster, but I was waiting for you to mention the Jack Smith investigation, the FIB raid, the arrest in GA and ongoing litigation the Repubes called lawfare (since they telegraph and project). That Merrick Garland dragged his feet was met with trepidation by everyone so appalled by j6. But anon has a point about Dems being ineffective which, I suspect, is because they are less uniform and more diverse among the electorate and their representation serves financial interests above the needs of the people, generally speaking.
clinton turned the democratic party into a second republican party
>>2528972I don't care about any of those stupid investigations. I am simply talking about the policy that Trump's team is implementing now, the decisions they are making now, the way they are working their way around rulings precedents and creating new excuses to do insanely destructive things. This is not the same as Democrats and I won't pretend it is. I don't care how cringe you think I am for saying they are not exactly the same currently
>>2528951wrong. both parties already have power. to fail to realize this renders anything you say meaningless.
>>2528969 You think the "reformed" slave owners are more "progressive?" You are the reactionary.
read lenin
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1912/nov/09.htm>Freedom in the U.S.A. is most complete. And for a whole half-century—since the Civil War over slavery in 1860–65—two bourgeois parties have been distinguished there by remarkable solidity and strength. The party of the former slave-owners is the so-called Democratic Party. The capitalist party, which favoured the emancipation of the Negroes, has developed into the Republican Party. >>2528975They're only able to do this because the Democrats are controlled opposition. If Biden took the threat of Project 2025 seriously we wouldn't be here. If Obama took the threat of "Russian Interference" seriously we wouldn't be here. The Democrats are literally complicit in all of this. At every possible point they always, always capitulate and then throw their hands up as if there's nothing they can do, because that's exactly what they exist for. They manufacture institutional consent for the Republicans to promote the interests of the bourgeois. The Democrats put up token opposition and then capitulate, and their voters bend over and accept it. No one is talking about Roe v Wade anymore for example. It's just accepted that the Republicans won. No one is talking about universal healthcare, it's just accepted that Republicans won. No one is talking about recognizing the state of Palestine, it's just accepted that Republicans won. No one is talking about raising taxes on the wealthy, it's just accepted that Republicans won. At every possible opportunity, Democrats only normalize Republican psychopathy and market it to their voters as the new status quo.
Fuck Dems.
>>2528975Woah. I didn't say anything about your point being 'cringe' nor did I both sides the issue of corruption. Those investigations are important to bringing a career criminal to justice. I was agreeing with the other anon about Dems being inept.
prole internationalism is great and all but the bourgeois has internationalism of their own now to be considered
>>2528992I mean there needs to be some actual plan or conception of international solidarity among workers because without that it just becomes either glorified penpals or just yelling at people to care about something for seemingly no reason.
What do americans get teached about the cold war era in HS?
>>2528986When I become chairman of the pan-American soviets. We’re going to liberate the bongs from their pedophile German monarchy.
>>2528998Depends we’re you grew up and also during which time. I grew in California during the aughts. We were taught the Cold War was like a friendly competition and capitalism won because it was superior and we showed those Russians learned to love blue jeans and freedom.
>>2528996international solidarity? sure, but the plan for revolution in america should never hinge on outside workers for success
Florida is taking steps to make vaccines optional for children. That has some people concerned about safety in schools, as doctors anticipate more infectious disease outbreaks, putting children, teachers and the broader community at risk.
By December, chickenpox, hepatitis B, haemophilus influenzae and pneumococcal vaccines will no longer be required for children to enter day cares and schools. Other vaccines could follow if legislators take up the issue in the coming months.
https://www.wusf.org/health-news-florida/2025-10-16/florida-removing-some-vaccine-mandates-what-that-mean-for-schools>>2529003this is just eugenics against immunocompromised people disguised as "umm the science isn't in yet and people should have muh freedom fries to make muh choices"
>>2528998Good question. I remember perestroika and glasnost being implemented in a way that caused upheaval for the USSR but media makes it look like we somehow won the war of words and proxy. There were no winners.
>>2528998I mean I remember history classes kind of rushing through the Cold War at the end in school—mostly cause it’d be pretty common to fall behind lesson plans. Just kind of remember them repeatedly emphasizing that it was a terrifying time because nuclear weapons meant at any point the world could just be wiped out, you had Duck & Cover drills at school, there were bunkers that locals were supposed to evacuate to, but our teachers basically said that was all theater and chances are everyone would die if the bombs actually happened. The Cuban Missile crisis was kind of used as a “we could have all died at any moment”.
The various Soviet leaders weren’t really given much attention—minus Gorbachev who was kind of painted as “oh he’s a poor nice guy that really tried to fix things, but after years of dictatorship the second people could speak freely they tried to tear down the government”
>>2529003bruh imagine the usa goes to war w china and their army gets decimated from the common cold 16 century style cuz the crayon eaters aren't innoculated
>>2528998My teacher got outed as a pedophile one year in middleschool, and the substitute who took over was a very young and new teacher, and for the unit on the USSR in history, she put up portraits of every soviet leader around the room, and we analyzed their successes and failures from the soviet perspective. it was awesome
>>2529001Any revolution hinges on outside workers for success. Did y'all not learn anything from the failures of the German and Hungarian revolutions and the subsequent atrocious Stalinoid policy of Socialism in One Country?
The revolution has to expand to a global level or it will inevitably be crushed by the forces of reaction.
>>2528998I just rember the cuba missile crisis
>>2529011>Duck & Cover drills at schoolYep. Under the desk in the '70s. By the 80s nobody really cared anymore.
>>2529005This
"Who's on First?" blew the minds of an entire generation of innocent Americans. This shit was so peak to them back then because their only sense of humor was wordplay.
>>2529003Can't believe the entire world will have to suffer through shit like Polio or measles again because of a bunch of fatass suburbanoids brainwashed by Fox News and Facebook mom groups.
>>2529016it's a two step process, first overthrowing the national bourgeois, gathering strength, then taking on the global bourgeois, the latter only being possible through internationalism
>>2529022>Financial Times reports Trump is seeking regime change in Venezuelahe's only been screeching it to everyone with two ears since 2019
DETROIT (AP) — A Michigan man facing possible deportation while dealing with life-threatening leukemia must be released from custody or at least be given a bond hearing in immigration court, a judge said.
It’s a victory for Jose Contreras-Cervantes and seven other plaintiffs represented by the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan. If released on bond from Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody, they could return to their families while their cases wind through immigration court.
The Trump administration has refused bond hearings for immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally, even if they lack a criminal record. The policy is a reversal of past practices and has been successfully challenged, including recently in Washington state.
https://apnews.com/article/immigrants-detention-leukemia-b68bb042942ccb3c42612dde846567d4RFK Jr. to unveil new guidance encouraging more saturated fats
Kennedy has argued that Americans need more trans and saturated fats, not less, saying foods like butter, cheese, milk and red meat have been unfairly demonized for decades. The updated guidance could be released as soon as this month.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5563449-rfk-jr-saturated-fats-health-guidance-maha-hhs/>>2529026There's seriously still Hispanics on Trumps dick trying to get white status? Why MFs tryna make me racists?
>>2529033>it will give everybody the rationale for driving it into our schoolsI'm convinced this is revenge for Michelle Obama's school lunch program. Ironically enough, this policy means health complications and early death for maga boomer cultists.
>>2529033They are trying to kill as many people as they can
>>2529039Even though this country relies on hyperexploited latino labor (legal/illegal migrants and citizens), a veritable army of utterly burgerbrained """middle class""" latinos has been allowed to flourish at the expense of the wretched of the Earth to help prevent the rise of a non cucked Chicano movement.
I once read an interesting comparison between these types and Mizrahi Jews in Israel.
>>2529033>>2529040Butter is good to help absorb calcium into bones. I eat a hefty slice of butter every 3-4 days and I noticed my bones don't hurt after weightlifting for 6 months now. I also drink half a liter of raw buffalo milk every 2 days and make my own yogurt with L reuteri bacteria. It helps me sleep better. Also high dosage vitamin d in the mornings and high dosage magnesium glycinate in the evenings. I find sheep milk and buffalo milk taste rather sweet but yeah it's good. I don't know of any health problems, but I feel much better than I did last year when I introduced these to my diet. No raw meat tho, that is dangerous. But I do like smoked meats and dried meats/fish.
>>2529055
No but what if the zoomer chads are right?
Be better than a zoomer chad and you will make zoomer chads seethe.
>>2528687>a wholly abstract and socially constructed identitythat's
all identity
>>2529055
you'll come up with anything to rationalise your intention to groom a kid huh?
>>2529055
They're only chuds because they can't get pussy. You should be encouraging her to get with chuds as a zoomer deradicalisation tactic
>>2528408Half the novel is about a couple people trying to build a dope train while Bernie Sanders seethes. The irony is the closest real world parallel to that story were the oil companies using the State to strangle nuclear power, which was going on during her life. She really was just a blind idiot.
>>2529057If you're on an unrestricted diet, active and your body is able to use everything for fuel, moderation is key. The problem with this policy is that most people lead sedentary lives and consume ultra processed foods, often to excess. Of course, beggars can't be choosers. Fewer choices and higher prices means the poor will take what they can get.
>>2529057Where do you even get buffalo milk
>>2529061I'm gonna be honest I usually only date women my own age the only reason I'm considering it is because she's coming on to me to escape from her abusive chud boyfriend and I think I could do some good in this person's life. But I can't deny that I am a disgusting piece of shit for considering it.
>>2529065Not true. Her current boyfriend hits her for "speaking out of turn" and just generally being "too opinionated" and genuinely sends her Andrew Tate videos and expects her to agree with his dumb takes. Some incel chuds can be fixed by just giving them sex. Most of them can't though because the right-wing hate pipeline already got to them and they are forever broken.
>>2529073Before that shave your beard, break your glasses, and lose weight (if you are fat) anon.
>>2529074what if she only dates fat ugly bastards?
>>2529073so the only way she can leave her chud is if he gets another boyfriend? can't he just leave the chud? are you folks in afghanistan?
>>2529055
idc about the lib-shit age gap discourse since the whole "power imbalance" argument is ridiculously simplistic since there are many "power imbalances" caused by many material reasons, not age.
That said, the mentality that you're just "saving" a girl is the most cliche groomer behavior. Cannot get more stereotypical than that, especially since you put yourself in a position where you're that close with an 18-year-old in the first place. The act of trying to rationalize it makes it more sus than just doing it.
>>2529080>a dutch man rationalising adults being with kidsnot surprising at all
remember Zandvoort
>>2529081the chick is just stupid then
>>2529083An illiterate American, what a surprise.
>>2529081Jesus Christ
>>2529055
don't fucking kid yourself you moron. stop thinking with your dick. nothing about de radicalizing or preventing radicalization involves sex or romance. be a friend a mentor a teacher. but by the sounds of it you are incapable of being creepy and weird you sound socially inept so honestly just keep your distance.
Donald Trump is considering commuting Diddy's sentence as early as this week, according to a high-ranking White House official.
According to our source, the President is "vacillating" on a commutation. We're told some of the W.H. staff are urging Trump not to commute the sentence. But, our source states the obvious – "Trump will do what he wants," and we're told Trump could set Diddy free as early as this week.
https://www.tmz.com/2025/10/20/donald-trump-diddy-commutation-soon/>>2529085not wrong but what 18 year old isn't stupid?
>>2529080>That said, the mentality that you're just "saving" a girl is the most cliche groomer behavior. Cannot get more stereotypical than that, especially since you put yourself in a position where you're that close with an 18-year-old in the first place. The act of trying to rationalize it makes it more sus than just doing it.I know, and the fact I'm rationalizing it makes me feel worse because I wish I didn't have a conscience. I'm thinking I won't go through with it because I'd be filled with endless guilt the entire time if I did and that will ultimately taint the relationship, but at the same time if this leads to her getting hurt further I'll still feel guilty for not helping, so it's a lose/lose.
Well, that's the cost of getting too involved with people just to be a nosey saviorfag. Misaki syndrome is not healthy even as much as many of us would like to pretend it's possible to save people from themselves.
>>2529089Sure why the hell not, the law isn't real anymore
>>2529090I mean you put yourself next to her, don't kid yourself, and your second post is arguing that you "should" manipulate her mental disorder to get pussy. You know what you're doing is wrong, so everything else is just performative.
>>2529090>not helping>saviorfagstop deluding yourself please, you seem to just want sexo from a vulnerable girl. otherwise you would figure out ways to help her without necessarily getting into a sexual relationship
>>2529089Who is this even for
>>2529090If you feel like that, just become her normal friend, convince her to leave her boyfriend and stop with that whole "i will just leave him if i can have another boyfriend" stupid shit.
>>2529068Yes I lead a rather active life.
>>2529069Water buffalo milk. I live in Texas. I am friends with a rancher he gives it to me, I fixed the software on his tractors.
>>2529090It would be less creepy if you just fucked her instead of doing these weird mental gymnastics. Never go into a relationship trying to “save” someone. Do you like this girl? Do you see a future with her? Or are you just trying to get laid? If you think you can love this girl and build a life then go for it, if you’re just trying to bang her. For the love of god please don’t play with her emotions and manipulate her, acting like your some knight on horse only to leave her high and dry after you get bored. How about treating her like a person?
>>2529096I mean, she is an adult and is capable of making her own choices. I know it's wrong to take advantage of people in their moment of vulnerability, but are you saying you would rather have a clean conscience while letting someone continue to be abused rather than get involved in the only way you can?
>>2529097>otherwise you would figure out ways to help her without necessarily getting into a sexual relationshipWhat are those ways? I'm serious here, menhera women are so codependent that the only way to get them to escape a bad relationship is to give them an escape. People don't necessarily always behave logically. Do you take the route of being morally righteous even in the face of potential harm, or do you appease a victim's delusions just because it's the only way to get them to make a change in their life?
>>2529099I've been her friend for a while(she turns 19 in december shut up), and have been telling her to break up this entire time. I get that there's a point you have to wash your hands of a situation if someone doesn't help themselves, which is where the saviorfag delusion comes in.
>>2529098I think the Kodak Black(is that the right guy? i get my criminal rappers mixed up maybe it was asap rocky? idk) pardon convinced Trump that he can win the votes of young black men by pardoning rich black criminals so he's trying to repeat it so he can say no one has done more for the black community than him(pardoning black criminals) and some black chuds will fall for it.
>>2529104>Do you like this girl? Do you see a future with her? Or are you just trying to get laid? If you think you can love this girl and build a life then go for it, if you’re just trying to bang her. For the love of god please don’t play with her emotions and manipulate her, acting like your some knight on horse only to leave her high and dry after you get bored. How about treating her like a person?The problem with saviorfags is that everyone goes into it thinking the former, with good intentions, but good intentions don't always make for a good relationship. It's easy to say "don't toy with this person's feelings" but you can't know if your feelings are genuine or not until it's too late.
>>2529106>menheraget the fuck out of the jirai discord unc
<women are irrational and can only be saved by cockthis is how you sound btw
>>2529055
>18 year old femcel
no 18 year old can be an incel and no female can be an incel
>A deep dive into the Entity List in US-China relations, and in US relations with Europe and Japan. 1,400 Chinese firms were on the list before the September 29 "Affiliate Rules". After the rules, the count surged by roughly 20000.https://www.thewirechina.com/2025/10/19/a-really-powerful-tool-entity-list/https://archive.ph/zX8viThe US is about to fully
sanctioon China.
>>2529115>get the fuck out of the jirai discord uncfuck how'd you know my favorite place to pickup e-girls
><women are irrational and can only be saved by cock>this is how you sound btwI mean I've had women tell me this straight up which is what pisses me off about men acting like this is somehow ridiculous. These women know what they want and while they may be insane I don't think they're lying when they say their happiness relies on affection from the opposite sex. I mean, incels are the same way.
>>2529055
not a good idea for a lot of reasons
>>2527792>Look at America: It absorbs it's opposition and tolerates the crazies, vagabonds, cynics and gangsters which sunk the USSRNot necessarily. USSR sinking is an example of a black swan moment. The US had a moment similar to the late 80s USSR: The late 60s and 70s. USSR was at its peak and the US was facing its most unstable moments post-WWII. Neoliberal shock therapy was a last ditch effort to save the system but the USSR collapse made the shock therapy affective for a longer period of time. In short, the US had issues that could've ended its hegamon as the USSR but was able to substain and win due to USSR collapsing first
>>2528056>know that people back then were stupidPeople aren't right now? lmao
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