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>>2527642Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet 563 posts and 135 image replies omitted.>>2530576if the symbol in question predated the swastika as being a nazi or fascist symbol, and it never had anything to do with it (despite being an axis power), why would you change it? the soviets certainly could have asked them to as they had a lot of influence there, does having a swastika for any reason make you fascist?
what makes the finnish bourgeoise any less 'fascist' than the american bourgeoise? without being moralist
>>2530583no bourgeoisie is fascist, they are however, stranglers of the workers
>>2530581>does having a swastika for any reason make you fascist?one hundred percent yes
>>2530581>if the symbol in question predated the swastika as being a nazi or fascist symbol, and it never had anything to do with it (despite being an axis power), why would you change it?for the same reason that the bolsheviks stopped using the swastikas that were emblazoned on tsarist military uniforms they looted. You have moved the goalposts from defending platner's nazi tattoos to "wuddabout muh wholesome axis finland who kept using the swastika 60 years after they stopped being axis for some reason"
this isn't fooling anyone. fucking neck yourself
>>2530590that's an image of kalmyk soldiers, they were producing that well into the 30s
>>2530588consistent, but insane
>>2530594you need to keep repeating the lie that they were "found on looted tsarist uniforms" despite being produced in factories under soviet control, just concede maybe it isn't always fascist?
>exposing europes obsession with the German swastika is insane
and to think americans are getting flak for a totempampf marine lol
too many unironic feds here trying to get me to not vote for mamdani
>>2530602>it's definitely the same as nazism bro! every instance of a swastika no matter the context is basically the same as the nazis! you just have to understand it's all hitlerite!ok grandpa, off to the asylum
>>2530606my hitler particle detector is off the charts rn
>>2530600>you need to keep repeating the lie that they were "found on looted tsarist uniforms"pic rel is my source, taken from the same book as your original picture you posted to make (book also attached,) reminder btw that the original conversation was about platner who volunteered in an imperialist military to serve 4 tours of duty invading 2 countries that didn't attack the US getting nazi tattoos with nazi history and nazi context long after WW2
this is the context of the conversation that you are running from over and over. you brought up finland as a lame ass escape hatch here:
>>2530559>you need to relax. finland just changed their air force logo which had a german swastika on it, europe has just as much of an issue as americans dohere was my reply (which you ignored):
>>2530569<do you think i'm european. I'm american. of course europe is also a problem. the USA spent decades making sure "ex-" fascists and their sympathizers stayed close to power there.You are pretending the bolsheviks using looted tsarist uniforms with swastikas during a civil war is the same as finland keeping swastikas in their air force after WW2, the majority of which they were an axis power, only switching sides at the last minute to save face. all as a lame "gotcha" to distract from platner. who the fuck are you fooling dude. shut the fuck up. god damn.
>>2530609then you need to get it checked for falsely admitting hitlerium when it should instead be admitting "pedantarium", for pedants like myself
>>2530611they used it because they were buddhists, not because it was "inherited from the tsarist army" as you are implying
>>2530611you're confusing me with another poster silly guy
>>2530600>that's an image of kalmyk soldiers, they were producing that well into the 30shmm i wonder if they kept doing it for decades after WW2 like the finns did. i wonder when you're going to admit you only brought up the finns as an escape hatch to defend platner in the first place. i wonder when you're going to stop decontextualizing everything in a way that's very obvious for everyone. i wonder when you're going to stop selectively ignoring posts where I already debunked your bullshit.
>>2530614>you're confusing me with another poster silly guyoh how convenient, you get to ignore the source and everything else I posted because you weren't even the guy that brought up finland in the first place (allegedly) all to distract from platner.
fuck off
lmao this guy forgot to take his medicine
>>2530600>that's an image of kalmyk soldiers, they were producing that well into the 30sdid they keep doing it in the 50s
>>2530615you're going crazy because i never brought the finns up, i saw them being mentioned and noted the fact that symbol had literally nothing to do with nazism
>>2530618would it have mattered? they were doing it because the kalmyks were buddhists
>>2530613>they used it because they were buddhists, not because it was "inherited from the tsarist army" as you are implyingwhat does the pic say. i even highlighted it for you. BUT IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAY BECAUSE THE FINNS KEPT USING IT AFTER WW2 AND SERVING AS AN AXIS POWER WHICH IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTEXT THAN THE BOLSHEVIKS USING IT BEFORE WW2 DURING THE RUSSIAN CIVIL WAR. IT'S COMPLTELY IRRELEVANT COMPARED TO AXIS FINLAND USING SWASTIKAS AFTER WW2, AFTER WHICH THEY HAD A CERTAIN REPUTATION. IT'S EVEN MORE DIFFERENT THAN PLATNER'S BULLSHIT WHICH (THE ALLEGEDLY OTHER) ANON BROUGHT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE TO DISTRACT FROM PLATNER
YOU THINK YOU CAN KEEP DERAILING THE CONVERSATION FROM PLATNER WITH MY WUDDABOUT FINLAND, WUDDABOUT MUH BUDDHIST BOLSHEVIK SWASTIKAS BEFORE WW2
>>2530619you never brought the finns up but you specifically jumped into an ongoing conversation to make lame decontextualized talking points as the person who did.
>>2530622you need to stop pissing your pants over a fact that a symbol isn't always what it looks like
>>2530627the whole fucking reason finns were brought up in the first place was to defend platner
it was a lame ass gotcha in the first place
how many fucking times does this have to be explained to you. read the whole conversation dumbass.
>>2530628i did, and i don't care
>>2530628he just wanted to defend his precious white nazi nordic country that's all
>>2530634what the hell are you talking about?
>>2530630yeah i'm fucking pissed that you keep pretending bolshevik buddhists using a swastika before WW2 is the same as an axis power using it after WW2. that was the whole rhetorical reason it was brought up
>>2530631of course you don't care about the conversation or its context. you just jumped in for no reason whatsoever to take a specific side for no reason whatsoever. you had no idea what was going on, just like Platner when he got an nazi tat, apparently
>>2530635>what the hell are you talking about?stop playing dumb like platner
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>>2530639>>2530638i'm not playing dumb you just need to take your meds
>>2530561>the swastika on the finnish airforce has nothing to do with nazismIDK man, I think this guy's appropriation of the symbol just didn't take off (heh!) like the NSDAP version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force#Insignia_of_the_Finnish_Air_Force_(1918%E2%80%931945)>Swedish count Eric von Rosen gave the Finnish White government its second aircraft, a Thulin Typ D.> Von Rosen, later one of the founding members of the Nationalsocialistiska Blocket ("National Socialist Bloc"), a Swedish National Socialist political party, and brother-in-law to Hermann Goering,[4][5] had painted his personal good-luck charm on the Thulin Type D aircraft. This logo—a blue swastika, the ancient symbol of the sun and of good luck, which was back then still used with non-political connotations—gave rise to the insignia of the Finnish Air Force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_von_Rosen>Count Carl Gustaf Bloomfield Eric von Rosen (2 June 1879 in Stockholm – 25 April 1948 Skeppsholmen, Stockholm) was a Swedish honorary doctor, patron, explorer, ethnographer, prominent figure in the Swedish upper class and a leading figure in Sweden's own Nazi movement in the 1930s.
>[…]Von Rosen became brother-in-law to Hermann Göring when his wife's sister, Carin von Kantzow, married Göring.>[…]Göring had noted the swastika during his stay in Sweden and at von Rosens' castle (forged into a metal piece at the fireplace). However, the swastika of the German Nazi party had been adopted already in 1920, two years before Göring met Adolf Hitler.
>[…]Eric von Rosen had been using a swastika as a personal owner's mark. He originally saw the symbol on runestones in Gotland, while at school. Knowing that the symbol signified good luck for the Vikings, he utilized the symbol and had it carved into all his luggage when going on an expedition to South America in 1901.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_BlocIt just happens to have been given by a
Swedish Nazi appropriating the un-tilted version rather than the NSDAP version in Germany. So yes, the Finnish airforce swastika is of Nazi origin, just not *German* Nazi origin. He gave this plane, where the blue swastika in the Finnish airforce comes from, in 1918 in support of the whites.
>>2530642explain for the audience who brought the finns up in this conversation and why. what was the conversation leading up to that point. pretend for a single moment like you have a memory longer than 2 minutes.
>>2530643this guy has already received multiple sources and "doesn't care"
he is just trying to defend platner, and when that failed, denied he was even the same anon, and when that failed, started spewing little lame insults and pretending the conversation had no context.
>>2529788>The question of whether China is "Socialist" or "Capitalist" or "Imperialist" or "fascist" or whatever is entirely irrelevant How is it irrelevant to be able to know and identify wheter any country is capitalist/imperialist or not? If one who claims to be socialist keeps propping up another capitalist country by wrongly claiming that country as socialist all that does is create a completely fractured foundation for any movement and falls in line with flaccid reformism that will lead to nothing because the theoretical base of the party is built off of nothing since they cannot even identify what is and is not capitalist and what is or is not imperialist.
This is a very complex issue that stems from decades of revisionism. It does not fall into such simplified categorizing such as "China bad". This is less about China itself but the self proclaimed "comrades" who cheer for a country that has aided in the suppression of actual communist insurgencies by arming and supporting capitalist powers. What does that show of any movement bult on that kind of revisionist vulgar Marxism that cant even see capitalism if it hit them in the face? What can remotely arise (besides stupid memes and eternally online internet culture)? Great power chauvanism amoung faux leftists in thier bid to bow to foriegn capitalist powers or just undignified "third worldists" preaching defeatism devoid of any revolutionary fire and completely disconnected from the masses.
>>2530599Vigeland is connected to Agent Kochinski, Destiny, Ryan Grimm, HuffPo, and probably a fuckload more of these liberal cunts and orgs through the Congressional Progressive Caucus and it's associated CPC PAC.
somehow they're shitter than the DSA. the faction is falling apart in the face of aipac money but they're nominally pro-palestine.
I reckon they were courting Graham Platner by allocating funds out of the PAC and putting the word out to boost him. It would explain the solidarity that they're showing, and due to the laws governing PACs they couldn't do a sit down with the bloke to assess the vibes beforehand.
This is probably the exact same bullshit that caused the Fetterman debacle.
It's well past time to press bullshit artists like Vigeland, Seder, Binder et. al what the fuck their vague terms actually mean. You know the ones:
>Progressive>Radical>Leftist>Moderate>Anti-EstablishmentTheir definitions don't seem to align at all with definitions set by Marxists, Socialists, Communists, or Anarchists. They don't have a theory of change that's coherent or stable. Worst of all they fall for the same dumb ruses and wishful thinking over and over and sheepdog their audiences into doing likewise.
>>2530497Emma is the leftist who thinks big country of Bumfuckland invaded smaller country of Penistan 10,000 miles away from Unser Burgerreich, so our based military-industrial complex must arm Penistan with the Reich’s money. No wonder these ‘leftists’ podcast are more than tolerated, even welcomed by the Reich.
>>2530671Why did you run over the motorist
>>2530173<fuck yeah, let's destroy communismyes, right wingers see everything to the left of hitler as communist. which is why you do so.
>>2530463>>2530497She is right in thinking the American public are morons
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