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>>2529129Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet>>2530561>the swastika on the finnish airforce has nothing to do with nazismIDK man, I think this guy's appropriation of the symbol just didn't take off (heh!) like the NSDAP version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force#Insignia_of_the_Finnish_Air_Force_(1918%E2%80%931945)>Swedish count Eric von Rosen gave the Finnish White government its second aircraft, a Thulin Typ D.> Von Rosen, later one of the founding members of the Nationalsocialistiska Blocket ("National Socialist Bloc"), a Swedish National Socialist political party, and brother-in-law to Hermann Goering,[4][5] had painted his personal good-luck charm on the Thulin Type D aircraft. This logo—a blue swastika, the ancient symbol of the sun and of good luck, which was back then still used with non-political connotations—gave rise to the insignia of the Finnish Air Force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_von_Rosen>Count Carl Gustaf Bloomfield Eric von Rosen (2 June 1879 in Stockholm – 25 April 1948 Skeppsholmen, Stockholm) was a Swedish honorary doctor, patron, explorer, ethnographer, prominent figure in the Swedish upper class and a leading figure in Sweden's own Nazi movement in the 1930s.
>[…]Von Rosen became brother-in-law to Hermann Göring when his wife's sister, Carin von Kantzow, married Göring.>[…]Göring had noted the swastika during his stay in Sweden and at von Rosens' castle (forged into a metal piece at the fireplace). However, the swastika of the German Nazi party had been adopted already in 1920, two years before Göring met Adolf Hitler.
>[…]Eric von Rosen had been using a swastika as a personal owner's mark. He originally saw the symbol on runestones in Gotland, while at school. Knowing that the symbol signified good luck for the Vikings, he utilized the symbol and had it carved into all his luggage when going on an expedition to South America in 1901.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_BlocIt seems to have been given by a
Swedish Nazi appropriating the un-tilted version rather than the NSDAP version in Germany. He gave this plane, where the blue swastika in the Finnish airforce comes from, in 1918 in support of the whites.
>>2530648
it takes more than just that. literally every bourgeois and reactionary group mixes legal and illegal ctics
>>2530650>which was back then still used with non-political connotationsright there, it's right there, even if his intentions were actually to spread a nazi symbol, it was accepted precisely because it
wasn't viewed as one, case closed
>>2530650stop arguing with that retard. the whole reason he brought up the finns was to distract from platner. he loves moving the goalpost and he's even happier now that there's a new thread where it's not as easy to scroll up and call him out on his shit
>>2530654bro the whole reason the finns were brought up in the first place was to defend platner as if it was the same thing. don't think i've forgotten or that I'll stop reminding you
>>2530648periodic reminder that if you aren't killing yourself with a rope, then you're not a real communist following Marxism-Leninism
>>2530656delusional is what i'd call you, sad is another thing i'd use, please take your meds and check into the asylum
>>2530657you can keep reminding me insofar as you keep extending the conversation
>nazi apologist still defending finnish fascism
>>2530658>delusional is what i'd call you, sad is another thing i'd use, please take your meds and check into the asylumyou say things like this because you have no real response. I invite anyone reading this conversation to open the preivous thread, ctrl+f finland, and find that the very first instance of finland being brought up was as a lame ass gotcha to distract from platner. from that point onwards it was then further derailed to equate Axis FInland's post W2 use of the swastika with the Bolshevik's pre WW2 use of the swastika during the civil war, apparently by buddhists. clearly this anon wants me to forget what the conversation was originally about, and each time I try to put it back on track he cries "meds meds meds" or "emotional much" or some other lame dismissive childish gesture.
>>2530660what was amazing was he brought it up to defend platner.
>>2530662for exactly what am i supposed to respond with? that you're 100% right and i love distracting and running ops for the DNC? is that what you want me to say? or that i'm a big fan of finland and i love shilling its airforce in the thread for american politics? is this what you want? well i'll give you something different, not every knife is an instrument of murder
>>2530654>right there, it's right there, even if his intentions were actually to spread a nazi symbol, it was accepted precisely because it wasn't viewed as one, case closedWell yes, Wikipedia is written by liberals, you got me.
It is still the symbol of a Nazi Swede aristocrat which was later used in his later Nazi political project.
It is a Nazi Swastika of divergent origin from the German one.
>>2530664explain for the audience who brought the finns up in the last thread and why. what was the conversation leading up to that point? pretend for a single moment like you have a memory longer than 2 minutes.
>>2530639By the way, very nice bake.
OP's image? *
chef's kiss*
>>2530670
he doesn't have a monopoly on being right but he does have a monopoly on treating even the people who agree with him like enemies. and he has a monopoly on spending hours debating with people he supposedly views as irredeemable enemies who cannot be convinced to change their mind.
>>2530664where are you from
>>2530693lmao
Unfortunately this will probably sink him and the Maine Democrats will end up with a 77-year-old centrist as their candidate.
>>2530697i was gonna ask why that is unfortunate but then i saw your flag
>>2530697really not thrilled to be in a gerontocracy right now. people be underestimating the age divide
>>2530695all my crackas nazis cracka
cracka heil platner
cracka heil platner
platner should just double down on it
>>2530711he already quintuple downed on imperialism (4 tours of duty + blackwater mercenary job). the tattoos just a cherry on top
>>2530700I don't care about the tattoo, or that he was a chud in the Marines. They're all chuds in the Marines. Also the centrists want to get rid of him because he was calling himself a communist on Reddit (even though, realistically, he'd be a socdem at best in the Senate). Republicans also routinely (and happily) elect liars, thieves, pedos, AND actual Nazis along with their rogue's gallery of other people. This guy, whatever his faults and lack of achievement in life, is probably not that. We'll probably never know though, because he hasn't handled this well at all, and I think he's cooked, because the libs won't stand for it, and so the likely D candidate will be nearly 80 (!), someone with a real hand on the pulse of the young generation.
>>2530710Oh no
>>2530717>cause the libs won't stand for it,On the contrary, looking at the pod save comments at least, people seem to be at the point where they can just ignore it as long as they get a "fighter" instead of an establishment appointed candidate.
"Do we want an authentic working class party or not?"
>>2530717hazbin hotel BTFO
>>2530730This is so pathetic to say he joined blackwater cause can't find a job lol. Fuck off Emma.
>>2530734is he denying that musk is a nazi?
Who gives a fucking shit about platner
>>2530745Hes a white former military "socialist" western mls go crazy for that shit
>>2530715He’s weirdly more likable than Cuomo
>>2530701Unfortunately with how American politics works only people born into politics or wealth can get elected. Normal people have too many flaws like *checks notes* having a nazi tattoo that makes oppo research way too easy and Americans aren't disciplined enough to vote for a flawed individual to remove the gerontocracy.
Insurrection is an art quite as much as war or any other, and subject to certain rules of proceeding, which, when neglected, will produce the ruin of the party neglecting them. Those rules, logical deductions from the nature of the parties and the circumstances one has to deal with in such a case, are so plain and simple that the short experience of 1848 had made the Germans pretty well acquainted with them.
Firstly, never play with insurrection unless you are fully prepared to face the consequences of your play. Insurrection is a calculus with very indefinite magnitudes the value of which may change every day; the forces opposed to you have all the advantage of organization, discipline, and habitual authority; unless you bring strong odds against them you are defeated and ruined.
Secondly, the insurrectionary career once entered upon, act with the greatest determination and on the offensive. The defensive is the death of every armed uprising; it is lost before it measures itself with its enemies. Surprise your antagonists while their forces are scattering, prepare new successes, however small, but daily; keep up the moral ascendency which the first successful uprising has given to you; rally those vacillating elements to your side which always follow the strongest impulse, and which always look out for the safer side; force your enemies to a retreat before they can collect their strength against you; in the words of Danton, the greatest master of revolutionary policy yet known, de l’audace, de l’audace, encore de l’audace!
–Engels // Germany: Revolution and Counter-Revolution.
Herr platner has mein vote
>>2530742I completely forgot about this game. I stopped caring once they announced they fired the entire team a couple times and that The Chinese Room was developing it, which is probably one of my least favorite "hyped" game studios, along with Blunder Team.
I expected them to gut RPG mechanics out of the game since consumers hate stats and making decisions about your character. They did it to Deus Ex too. I'd have to actually play it to say more.
Seems like the response is middling but redditors are trying to force positivity anywhere by finding anything to point at, which are the worst types of games. A game that demands you to make apologies for it, suck. Once the initial poptimism ends honest feelings will start to come out and judging by the responses, it's probably going to get judged more harshly in a few months. I see people complaining about "detective" segments being long and boring with dialogue they don't care about and I'm just feeling, "Yep, TCR does it again."
The closest example I can think of is Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, another TCR classic. It started out with a room temperature response, then a few years later everyone feels safe to finally shit on it.
>>2530734What 3rd party app is this
>>2530730He’s just a smol bean veteran guys, lay off.
Welcome to the American left! You have 3 options:
>Vote for the progressive Nazi
>Protest impotently
>Do nothing
I don’t know about you guys but when I interact with the masses I often feel discouraged. After spending time with my family today I witnessed how susceptible they are to the media. A small irrelevant earthquake occurred and it was on the TV for hours. My family endlessly talking about it. Then they took like an hour to preach to me about Jesus Christ (I’m atheist) telling me I need to save my soul before the end of the world.
These people are trapped by the media and mysticism. No revolutionary potential here
>>2530810my uygha, humans were always like this. which is why revolutions only happen during collapse. When things collapse theres no choice but revolution
>>2530810I feel you, just out of curiosity, what social standing does your family have?
Since a few years i did some effort to get back in touch with my family, I saw few of them in a reunion lately and it fucked with me, let's just say I understand the nihilist position much better now LMAO.
>>2530737I don’t like how this information was unearthed (somehow recovering details from a deleted Reddit account) and I also think people can change political opinions, but I think it’s suspicious to be an avowed nazi and then do a 180 and cover your tracks. Cold take I know.
>>2530809There's got to be another option.
>>2530810Some people seem to want change, but others just want to vote for the Democrats harder.
>>2530815>African illegal immigrant with numerous children with different mothers living off government subsidiesForget about the welfare queens, what about the robber kings?
>>2530812I would say low-middle class. Most of them were 50+ though. Interestingly the youngest cousin (around 30) complained about the earthquake news. Perhaps there's hope in the young generations
FT: Startup backed by Sam Altman, Peter Thiel to be given access to multiple metric tons of weapons grade Plutonium by US Department of Energy.
https://www.ft.com/content/2fbbc621-405e-4a29-850c-f0079b116216https://archive.li/jlJWiThe US has offered energy companies access to nuclear waste that they can convert into fuel for advanced reactors in an attempt to break Russia’s stranglehold over uranium supply chains.
The Department of Energy on Tuesday published an application that nuclear energy groups can use to seek up to 19 megatonnes of the government’s weapons-grade plutonium from cold war-era warheads.
Peter Thiel is also investing in the world's first private Uranium enrichment plant.
Are we about to see network state larper orbital McNukes, or is porky just waking up to the need for clean energy?
>>2530823this happened in metal gear
>>2530824Revolutionary defeatism? Probably a good start.
>>2530822Middle class will truly be the largest obstacle, they have the fear of losing everything.
To me it made realize that there is no preventing fascism, its ideas and values are already 100% internalized by the middle classes, which are ultimately the drivers and protectors of liberal capitalism. They are vaguely aware of the fact they are going to lose everything due to climate change and all the other shit so they are turning to the most reactionary mindset at record speeds. They will justify the Gaza style death camps on our borders (they often are doing that already tbh), as they will justify the complete destruction of our world as long as they can preserve their social standing.
The middle classes are a larger and more direct problem then the capitalist class
good morning Platnerbros how's our candidate doing in the latest polls
>>2530834$30 temu plates stop 5.7, kek, how?
You defend Graham Platner because you want the imperialist bribes he is promising.
I defend Graham Platner because I think you deserve every psyop, every mind fuck and every wrecker. I want USAnos punished and there is nothing more punishing than indulging their stupidity.
We are not the same
>>2530815That’s not exile. Exile would be tossing them into the Yukon and abandoning them entirely. What we got instead was game of thrones and more duopoly bullshit
Trump is going to have the elections shut down at some point. Don’t even know why you’re talking about electoral politics like that when your candidate is liable to be ISIS bagged at any moment by ICE. Hell, I’m still confused why a lot of you were talking about electoral politics like that BEFORE the 2025 election.
Orangeman already killed what remained of rule of law. His gestapo is stockpiling weapons equipment as we speak. Don’t matter if they’re a former nazi or not, the orangutan has their pink slip written up already.
>>2530829Middle class is fucked. Not even concerned about them.
>>2530927>because you want the imperialist bribes he is promisingBetter than them taking our money and not even getting anything in return. Collins and Mills are subhuman capitalist rats. At least Platner said he'll remove the tattoo and gives us proles some gibs in the short term.
>>2530810I think brainwashing can be undone but it will take a concerted effort. Problem is those with power have a vested interest in maintaining things as they are, and with no unified pushback nothing will change. But I think there is a chance. After all, you wouldn't even begin to see shit like this even a decade ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe_kFy-n-Rw >>2530942I think you're right, people were just brainwashed by liberalism hard, reminds me of all those redditors who say "hey it's illegal he can't do that, some judge will stop him" and them patting themselves on the back for their non violent useless protest that barely blocked one road because it shows they'll surely win the next elections.
studying the Russian revolution has convinced me how comparatively easy our tasks our compared to theirs
>In interviews, officials in Brussels are impatient with griping over the EU‘s “summer of humiliation” via one-sided trade talks with America.
kek
>>2530942>Don’t even know why you’re talking about electoral politics like that when your candidate is liable to be ISIS bagged at any moment by ICEWell the goal should be picking someone actually willing to fight when elections will inevitably be either called for Trump or cancelled altogether, and popular enough so that people are willing to fight for them.
hg
>>2530942Truth be told, I’m not too concerned about ICE having more weapons and equipment, because we already have the military and a militarized police force to deal with, and that’s factored in. And we also have to account for the fact that they’re dumber than even the police, and will probably accidentally blow their own brains or some sheriff’s brains out at some point. Or just blow themselves up or something. And we also have to account for the fact that they’ve already started pissing off the military, federal agents, and the police as well.
So it’s not terrible, but still something we should be more concerned about than some fuck off (previously?) pmc nazi succdem.
>>2530957>people were just brainwashed by liberalism hardAnd it is a truly frightening thing to see. Already past being cult like for a disturbing amount of people.
>>2530958Can you name some of these tasks for the thread then so we may understand in full what is lacking with our efforts?
>>2530965I’m fine with this. I don’t ever want to see a privatized space. Ever.
>>2530971>Well the goal should be picking someone We need to get over this strange fixation on relying on representatives for everything political. It’s just weird at this point.
>actually willing to fight when elections will inevitably be either called for Trump or cancelled altogether and popular enough so that people are willing to fight for them.I am happy to already announce that won’t be a succdem who rose to prominence from a liberal election.
>>2530737they are going to elect a nazi for a public office and call it a day in struggle.
>>2530993>I am happy to already announce that won’t be a succdem who rose to prominence from a liberal election.Why not, and who else? Establishment democrats, obviously not, they are collaborators, but a socdem politician in a country with government utterly committed to dismantling what is left of social state can be a revolutionary element.
>>2530977he dressed as a bolshevik for a stunt where he gets lit on fire. so you have to wonder if that was a pro- or anti- statement, or just a random costume he chose to wear without knowing its historical context. WW1 Bolshevik uniforms aren't as well known in the west as WW2 uniforms are in general
>>2530993>I’m fine with this. I don’t ever want to see a privatized space. Ever.getting rid of NASA would be a further step towards privatized space (one of many taken so far)
>>2531044
every time a palestinian child is turned into red mist, an american gets a food stamp. don't ask me how it works, it's just magic
the idea that working class americans benefit from imperialism implies you believe trickle down economics work
>>2531046it kinda does tho to a degree, its just a tiny drip of water
>>2531046The guy getting food stamps isn’t being bombed and killed
>>2531044>Given that your precious social safety net is entirely reliant on the rape and exploitation of the periphery to sustain itself its dismantlement is a good thing>>2531046>the idea that working class americans benefit from imperialism implies you believe trickle down economics worki seem to recall the social safety net is being dismantled to fund more imperialism.
It's kind of weird that a (admittedly way too small) group of Americans can say "defund the police, defund the military, and use those funds for social welfare" and the first response they always get isn't "ummm actually your universal healthcare is funded by the police and military doing what they do" and not something more reasonable like "reformism doesn't work and here's why: […]"
>>2531051>and the first response they always get isn't *is dammit
The bottom half of americans hold 2.5% of the total national wealth
The top 0.1% of americans hold 15% of the wealth
If anything, poor euros have much more to lose when it comes to halting imperialism abroad lol
>>2531054
A cell phone is not a house nor is it health care
>Beefsteak Nazi (German: Rindersteak-Nazi), or "Roast-beef Nazi", was a term used in Nazi Germany to describe communists and socialists who joined the Nazi Party. Munich-born American historian Konrad Heiden was one of the first to document this phenomenon in his 1936 book Hitler: A Biography, remarking that in the Sturmabteilung (Brownshirts, SA) ranks there were "large numbers of Communists and Social Democrats" and that "many of the storm troops were called 'beefsteaks' – brown outside and red within".
>>2531054
you know even dirt poor third worlders have cell phones right
>>2531054
yeah but cell phones have now been tied to being able to have a job and log into a checking account. if i could just walk around without a silicon valley surveillance device in my pocket, I would, but they've made it every bit as essential as having a wallet an drivers license now. I wonder if Marx said anything (relatively) about this.
<An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.
In America, the richest 10% are responsible for 50% of all spending, and own 90% of the shares of stock, and the richest 8 men own more wealth than the bottom 50% of the planet, but we're scolding workers for having cell phones and cars when they're literally considered unemployable if they don't? Something else is going on here.
Lumpen parasites have taken over America!
>I’m sure by this point we’ve all seen some horrific videos of ICE abductions of migrants. Something looks off about those guys: They don’t look like feds or even cops; they look more like Proud Boys or Jan 6ers. That makes sense, since DHS is using white nationalist propaganda in their hiring drive. Proud Boys in Ohio publicly brag about being “high on the hog” because of the new hiring spree. Many of the videos portray them not just as menacing thugs, but also as incompetents, clearly unprofessional, out of shape, and sometimes unable to make arrests. Commentator Adam Johnson had a sharp tweet about it: “There are many ways of looking at ICE’s recent terror campaign, but probably the most salient is a bunch of people who can’t get real jobs harassing and kidnapping people with real jobs.”
>Another way to put this is that ICE is a central part of the Trump regime’s overall organization of the mob. They are drawn from what Marx called the “scum, offal, refuse of all classes,” Engels called “the depraved elements of all classes,” and what Arent identified as “declassés of all classes.” In fact, a great deal of Trump’s political apparatus is drawn from those ranks. Arendt summed up the lives of mob leaders as characterized by “failure in professional and social life, perversion and disaster in private life.” Semi or even open criminality and the adoption of mob attitudes and behaviors are practically job requirements for service in the administration. Just look at Paul Ingrassia, White House employee and, until some hours ago, Trump’s nominee to lead the Office of Special Counsel, whose leaked texts revealed a “Nazi streak.” He’s represented accused rapist and pimp Andrew Tate and had connections to the antisemitic demagogue Nick Fuentes.
>If you needed any additional evidence that MAGA is more of a kleptocratic demimonde or criminal racket than a political movement, look at how Steve Bannon gravitated to Jeffrey Epstein just as the stench of disgrace became unbearable for most others. Or look at Trump’s otherwise inexplicable commutation of the sentence of fraudster George Santos. Marx wrote that the mob was drawn partially from “discharged jailbirds”—in Santos’s case, it’s literally true. The message there is clearly: “Support me, and I’ll take care of you.”[…]
>A contradiction within the Republican Party is between the mob elements and relatively respectable bourgeois conservatives who are still uneasy with the overt presence of these disreputable characters. One can see this in Senate Majority Leader Thune’s rejection of Ingrassia. But Trump knows he can’t ever totally jettison the mob, since it represents his core supporters. And we’ve seen that he’s willing to sic them on cowering Republicans if need be.
>Any strategy that takes on Trump must find a way to incorporate and exploit this truth: Trump and his key followers are criminal parasites on American society.https://www.unpopularfront.news/p/the-scum-manifesto>>2530969Eurocrats deserve humiliation. No matter how bad the deals USA offers them they will take it and will never ever pivot to trade with China because we have them by the balls with dozens of military bases in their countries.
>>2530977Communism is eceleb clout plus short form video in the whole country.
>>2531073they make me laugh, how one the one hand are you supposed to be this big stronk warrior man aint afraid of nothing, but on the other hand have to wear elbow and knee pads incase you bump them, it might hurt really bad after all, you might even get a scrape.. :'(
hillarious.
The government taxes us directly through income tax, and indirectly through inflation (money printer go brr) and then they allocate that 1: to the police so they can jail people in the prison industrial complex domestically, where they are used as "convict labor" (i.e. slavery with extra steps), and they also give that money to 2: the military industrial complex, so they can genocide people thousands of miles away and loot their natural resources for commodity production, and then you must use your remaining wages, i.e. what wasn't already taken by your government for imperialism, or taken by your employer for profit, you must use those remaining paltry wages to pay your rent, pay your utilities, and purchase means of subsistence may have been produced with looted resources by the same corporations whose imperialist actions your government subsidized without your explicit permission. And then you say "stop doing that please" and someone else says "no. fuck you. actually if your government uses the money printer for health care and welfare instead of subsidizing imperialism, that would make you even more imperialist"
Doesn't that seem fishy?
>>2531029>Why notBecause succdems suck.
>and who else? Someone who is proletarian, isn’t a succdem, and isn’t indoctrinated by the liberal cult of democracy.
>Establishment democrats, obviously not, they are collaborators, but a socdem politician in a country with government utterly committed to dismantling what is left of social state Will be another collaborator as per usual. You are trying to sell me bronze when I could simply go for gold or even platinum.
>>2531034>getting rid of NASA would be a further step towards privatized space (one of many taken so far)I disagree. They don’t realize how dependent they are on an organization like NASA. And NASA was already opening themselves up to privatization before they started getting torn up. They’ve become ineffectual scraps rather than helpful abetters, and that is fine by me.
>>2531076who says warriors are afraid of nothing? For as long as they have existed their entire thing has been cladding themselves in armor inaccessible to most of the population, and using both melee and ranged weapons that gives them asymmetrical combat superiority to most of the population. the entire purpose of creating a warrior is to create a man scared of the population he is occupying, be it domestic or foreign, and to treat them as untame beasts, and to be ready at a moment's notice to put them down
>>2530924The power of Communism makes higher and higher quality body armor plates for lower and lower costs.
>>2531077you can't have the money printer without imperialism, you are just talking about "better" ways to divide the loot of imperialism but not an alternative to it. Demsucc weasel words.
>>2531081>lower and lower costs.Lower and lower material costs
>>2531077Americans love to say their imperialism is why they have no healthcare. But all of europe has healthcare and is imperialist. A liberal will never say this but to make america more like europe is fascist line
>>2531082>you can't have the money printer without imperialismwhat? yeah you can. in fact being in control of your money supply is the right of every sovereign country since it lets you take out loans in your own currency
>>2531046>benefit from imperialismyeah, everyone knows Israelis are actually oppressed by Zionism. The real victims of imperialism actually those "legal citizen" that are recognized by the Tony Blair Institute for ID Cards who is a based harm reductionist Democratic Socialist NWO overlord of Palestine
>>2531077> if your government uses the money printer for health care and welfare instead of subsidizing imperialism, that would make you even more imperialistDictatorship of the MMT wonk?????
>>2531085no it just means Europeans are more beneficiary to the treats imperialism brings and are thus more willing to defend it
>>2531070woah… 50% uemployment rate… wait
If a thief steals all the money and material possessions from ten houses with families, and then announces that he’s going to stop stealing and use “his” money to give his family a lavish lifestyle, does that negate the fact that ten families are left destitute and starving?
>>2531088the US can only print infinite money because of the role of it's currency globally and it's hegemonic position. You know this. You have no leg to stand on, the fact that you demsucs have to lie and blur the truth and move the goalposts and selectively ignore things blatantly to defend your position is a demonstration to everyone that you are imperialists and not to be trusted. If people here should listen to you on the merits of demsuccery then why are you resorting to such dishonest and cowardly arguments? If your point was worth a damn you wouldn't have to resort to those tactics, but you are. Curious!
>>2531085>incomprehensible grammar>is blah blah "line"oh it's you
>>2531098Please keep posts productive
>>2531070This gravely understates the parasitism of america, as
>>2528331 explains
>>2531097every country can print money to their hearts desire dummy. that's just the nature of fiat. what gives America its power is the USD's position as the global trade settlement and reserve currency, which allows the money printing to go beyond what any other nation is capable of. On the flip side, countries in the Sahel use French currency which directly imperializes them, it would be preferable for them to be in control of their own money printers to take out loans in their own currency rather than in french currency
>>2531082>>2531085>>2531090Did you even read the post you are replying to?
In America, the richest 10% are responsible for 50% of all spending, and own 90% of the shares of stock, and the richest 8 men own more wealth than the bottom 50% of the planet.
That is who you take the money from instead of the 3rd world. America can absolutely divest from imperialism while still being self-sufficient and giving its own citizens a decent quality of life. Who benefits the most from the narrative that this is impossible? The people who want the current state of affairs to keep going.
The bourgeois class dictatorship directly takes purchasing power away from wages (through inflation, through taxation) uses it to subsidize imperialism, pockets the profit or reinvests it in growing the Military-Industrial-Complex and Prison-Industrial-Complex, do most of the luxury spending and stock buybacks, but somehow if a worker says "stop this imperialism and use the money to pay for my healthcare instead" you say "no no no you just want to be more like europe, you secretly want more imperialism."
Hello, America is also subsidizing European imperialism. Europe only recently started paying for their own defense again and Borrell openly admitted Europe relies on America for security.
America should stop subsidizing both American and European imperialism but if someone says that you somehow reverse the meaning of their words to say the opposite. What is this?
>>2531096In case the metaphor wasn’t obvious, the thief is American imperialism, the house he lives in is America, and his family are the “innocent Americans”. Oh but look! One of the thief’s sons thinks stealing is wrong. He even made a Twitter post about how ashamed he is being the son of a thief, even though he freely indulges in the luxuries now afforded to him by the thief’s actions. “But how am I supposed to stop the thief?” the son asks? Well it just so happens that someone from one of the houses the thief repeatedly robbed has written multiple books on how to kill the thief, which the thief’s son has read. However he refuses to kill the thief or even entertain the idea of the families from the robbed houses getting their money and possessions back because he might suffer, and ultimately the thief’s son thinks his family’s comfort is worth the poverty and starvation of ten other families.
Is it clear enough for you?
>>2531110>In case the metaphor wasn’t obvious, the thief is American imperialism, the house he lives in is America, and his family are the “innocent Americans”. Oh but look! One of the thief’s sons thinks stealing is wrong. He even made a Twitter post about how ashamed he is being the son of a thief, even though he freely indulges in the luxuries now afforded to him by the thief’s actions.In America, the richest 10% are responsible for 50% of all spending, and own 90% of the shares of stock, and the richest 8 men own more wealth than the bottom 50% of the planet.
And if someone not from that strata says "stop this imperialism, I don't even get anything out of it" you shit all over them and say "yes you do, actually you get treats every time we turn children into red mist"
What is this?
>>2531097ok well end american imperialism and force americans start producing their own commodities again instead of buying them cheaply on the world market
oh but if I say this you say I secretly want opposite. there is no discussion to be had here. you are just making up what I think and fighting the made up person.
>>2530780Yeah Machine for Pigs was infamous for how bad it was.
Me, I just like the setting so admittedly I’m biased. Bloober Team handled the SH2 remake pretty well, wondering how they’ll handle the remake of the first one.
>>2531107You say every employed member of fascist society is productive. This is impossible
>>2530730>"he addressed his fascism in our interview"PMC bluecheck -> soulless neoliberal NPC opinion discarded
>>2530927>psyop, every mind fuck and every wreckerFascists need to externalize internal contradictions with schizo attempts to cope because they reject Marxist historical materialism and class war
>>2531107>America can absolutely divest from imperialism while still being self-sufficient and giving its own citizens a decent quality of life<citizensCitizenship was, of course, invented by the pedophile slave owning liberals in ancient Greece and the Roman "imperium". Modern America is founded on fossil fuel extraction and refining to achieve this Jeffrey Epstein utopia. There's reason why Zionists have destroyed so many middle eastern countries and put pedophiles in charge. Resisting finance imperialism is an attack on the American middle class of Trump voting boat owner who are hungry settler cannibals that demand more cars and plastic product consumerism. There's a reason why the "Abundance" movement, the left wing of Zionism is explicitly against degrowth, the ideology of indigenous people who are actual human beings with souls
>>2530753i miss this little uygha like you wouldnt believe
>>2531134Lucky bastard pulled a bad bitch, the feels man
>>2531132
>muh gubernment statistics
>>2531130not what was stated
>>2531141>hahaha you said you want american imperialism to end, yet you said citizen at one point, prepare to have your entire post ignored and a strawman erected out of this one wordhaha i hate this place
>>2531156So true… We need more critical support(tm) for nazis
>>2531149I thought Human Revolution was pretty fun.
That aside, to me the most offensive decline in quality for a game series was just Assassin’s Creed. It used to be really fun. Shit 3 and Black Flag both did amazing shit with naval combat, but after Ubisoftification stepped in…
>>2531171Everyone shitted on it so hard for years after it was released but honestly the only sequel i'll ever play more than once. Also probably the least buggy in the series, if i remember.
>>2531155he showed it off in an interview it looks so bad
whats your job going to be under the communist commune
>>2531185damn they cookin your ass
>>2531188Polymath, renaissance man, jack of all trades
>>2531185>Capitalis is international therefore every country is a colonyIs this what is being said?
>>2531188I wont have a job under communism
>>2531188Ratting out the other whites in the JDPON concentration camps
>>2531188Hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, draw alunyas after dinner
>>2531188Unironically ditch digger. We need good water management and should incorporate it into our urban ecology using artificial wetlands in the city to help absorb contaminants in runoff and growing plants for food and other resources in and around the cities and towns.
I as an American want my government to stop existing and to be replaced with a non imperialist government that serves the people, all of whom will be working class since the bourgeoisie will be liquidated. This is all I meant by "citizen" earlier, which was deliberately misinterpreted in the least charitable way possible. If it is true that I received bloodstained spoils, I didn't ask for them, and I want to stop receiving these bloodstained spoils, most of which go to the capitalist class anyway, and which is directly subsidized by the inflation which decreases the purchasing power of my wages anyway, relative to my subsistence.
but the moment i say this a million glowies crawl out of the woodwork and say "actually you just want a better system of plunder. don't lie. you are a liar if you say otherwise."
it is as if certain imperialist capitalist interests want me supporting them and not supporting the liberation of the third world from them, so they create these hostile caricatures to in the hopes that it gets me to abandon anti-imperialism. But guess what. I will not abandon anti-imperialism. I do not want a better system of spoil, I want the system of spoil destroyed, thank you very much.
>>2531227>to be replaced with a non imperialist governmentI think i’m good with not having another government
>>2531227true true
>>2531233first the transitional state as amurica is merely 4% of the planet
>>2531156>supporting resistance movement against imperialist war of aggression is "pro islamist"kys
>>2531241it's a mass tor baiter, ignore it
>Aaron Nichols, then 21, was charged with sexually assaulting a 15-year-old girl and having unlawful sexual contact with another teen in fall 2001. He was convicted. His lawyer was Janet Mills who later pardoned him as governor
platners opposition btw
>>2531238>the lack of governance is a power vacuum immediately filled by organizations which perform the functions of government, and thereby become governmentWe could just have the organizations and call it there to be honest.
>what do you think of the rest of the postIt was alright.
>>2531239I’m just thinking that there may be some additional difficulties with a traditional transitional state, and may require some adaption to overcome.
>>253115620 minutes of your life wasted to create a schizo ms paint comic meme and log on tor
>>2531258>We could just have the organizations and call it there to be honest.yeah and those organizations would be the government by performing the functions of government, even if you call them something else.
A rose by any other name…
>>2531238"Perform the functions of government" includes both functions that make you a government and functions that the government just happens to do right now because they're necessary, but you get your politics from memes so it's unsurprising that this eludes you.
>>2531227>If it is true that I received bloodstained spoils, I didn't ask for them, and I want to stop receiving these bloodstained spoilsThis is a stupid argument made by morons (not you, what you're responding to). The median USano would actually earn more if all wealth was evenly distributed globally. We in the US do enjoy some of the material spoils of imperialism (as in we have bananas that come from banana republics), but because these goods are traded on global markets for the profit of global capitalism it's kind of irrelevant where exactly the goods end up. What really matters is the total wealth and who has access to it. Even in the properly "treatler" countries like in Europe, this is really barely an argument because the average people there are not exactly living high on the hog - costs of living are quite different and it doesn't matter so much if you theoretically get a labor aristocrat share if your taxes, rent, and other expenses ultimately deduct you down below the value your labor creates in the end.
But I'll go a step further. It's actually in the interests of even the petit bourgeoisie in the west (though not the haute bourgeois) to transition to world socialism, because we will be better positioned to incorporate superior technology, waste vastly fewer resources, and protect the
stability of the economy (and ecosystem). The end result will be a more sustainable, stable, and wealthy world at a systemic level. A huge issue with our typical false consciousness today is thinking of economics only as a zero-sum thing, that we are just going to take money from the bourgeoisie and give it to the proletariat (or value via labor vouchers or whatever). The problem is this ignores what happens when you stop using our industrial capacity to churn out an endless stream of disposable commodities and instead to outfit everyone with durable supplies in an increasing hierarchy (a la Maslow) as you fulfill the more fundamental demands.
>>2531266>yeah and those organizations would be the governmentThat’s not a government. And these organizations wouldn’t replace the government functions. They would function as a part of civil society, and not opposed to it.
>In reality, however, the state is nothing but a machine for the oppression of one class by another, and indeed in the democratic republic no less than in the monarchy. And at best it is an evil inherited by the proletariat after its victorious struggle for class supremacy, whose worst sides the victorious proletariat will have to lop off as speedily as possible, just as the Commune had to, until a generation reared in new, free social conditions is able to discard the entire lumber of the state. >>2531266>>2531238By that logic any sort of organization at all is a government and the term effectively becomes meaningless
>>2531276but I'm explicitly saying what they want: overthrow the government and end imperialism. I am saying raise an army. So when I agree with them they just say "you lie, you don't really agree." They want me in the fuhrerbunker when the time comes, rather than standing alongside them. They're afraid of me joining their side because they think it can't possibly be sincere. Maybe their paranoia is warranted. idk anymore.
>>2531285an organization becomes a government when it fills a power vacuum left by a destroyed government and begins performing the functions that a government performs. The point isn't that organization = government. The point is that government = a type of organization.
>>2531292can you tell me which part of that you want anon to read because ctrl+f "government" returns no results
>>2531276>>2531254Yeah? Well, according to renowned marxist psychiatrist Felix Guattari, everybody wants to be a fascist. He worked together with Deleuze.
>>2531302was this conclusion the result of peer reviewed research or was it just a vibes based assessment
Felix and CPUSAnon are the only real authetic revolutionaries on / leftypol/
>>2531254I mean sorry about the schizos, but as the old saying goes if you argue with monkeys you’re gonna end up covered in shit. At this point I just try to ignore them.
>>2531295Yknow there’s a marketing tactic that they use in high end stores where they just talk down to you and treat you like shit with some “oh you probably are too POOR to afford this.” And I see some overlap. Though perhaps it’s less trying to manipulate you into supporting them via reverse psychology and more trying to limit who “the real Marxists” are. They want to be “the one good one” and that requires everyone else to be evil. Real “the joys of heaven are heightened by hearing the screams of the damned below”.
I mean Felix basically admitted it when he talked dreamily about how Joe Slovo wasn’t considered a white person. He wants that. He wants to be “the good one.”
>>2531306I don’t think either of us count as “true authentic revolutionaries”. He’s a schizo and I could be doing more to help people.
>>2531188Man at this point either a grocer or a factory worker.
>>2531300>can you tell me which part of that you want anon to readAll of it basically.
>because ctrl+f "government" returns no resultsReplace government with state.
>>2531254Those people are actively trying to derail conversation, dont engage with them, just report.
>>2531310>government = stateTheorylet hours
>>2531254These liberals have ruined these threads for far too long with their gamer babble. The primary contradiction is clear. If an imperialist wants a more "social" imperialism or deviates into liberalism, the leftists' purpose is to explain the error of their fascist ways.
>>2531317An excellent question. The periphery of course.
Leftypol in 2025:
>I like pancakes
<So you hate socialism and support fascism, you are the enemy of the people
>>2531317Core. The map is ancient and irrelevant in 2025.
>>2531295>Maybe their paranoia is warranted. idk anymore.well there's a general undertone that pollutes this conversation that sort of goes like patronizingly telling the two or three third worlders in this board to wait for revolution in the first world, and THEN they will get their turn, they just need to wait in line until americans organize or whatever, which is a pretty insane proposition to the impoverished masses of the third world if you ask me. Also the order is backwards because the real porky bastion IS the third world, and without emancipation of the third world, american workers will always be at odds with workers in the third world and they will always represent wage suppression and lowered standards of living. it's sort of a realization that you need to make, the fact that either the globalized proletariat works in tandem or you'll get stuck in this deadlock, and americans have definitely dropped the ball on internationalism.
>>2531324Someone is a pancake fascist. Do you shit and piss in fury if you detect a hint of nutmeg?
>>2531317they do not meet the qualifications of an oppressed nation so obviously imperialist core
>>2531314>government = stateIn terms of what we are discussing, yes. If we were referring to a high communist government, then no.
>>2531227>it is as if certain imperialist capitalist interests want me supporting them and not supporting the liberation of the third world from them, so they create these hostile caricatures to in the hopes that it gets me to abandon anti-imperialism.I have a theory that Third Worldism is now naturally being spread by idiots who fell for the initial op while the glowies who started it have backed off and let retarded TWists (unknowingly) do the work for them.
>>2531336Because there is no high communist government in the first place. It is the administration of things instead.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/>The proletariat seizes political power and turns the means of production in the first instance into state property. But, in doing this, it abolishes itself as proletariat, abolishes all class distinctions and class antagonisms, abolishes also the state as state.>[…]>When at last it becomes the real representative of the whole of society, it renders itself unnecessary. As soon as there is no longer any social class to be held in subjection; as soon as class rule, and the individual struggle for existence based upon our present anarchy in production, with the collisions and excesses arising from these, are removed, nothing more remains to be repressed, and a special repressive force, a state, is no longer necessary. The first act by virtue of which the state really constitutes itself the representative of the whole of society — the taking possession of the means of production in the name of society — this is, at the same time, its last independent act as a state. State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then dies out of itself; the government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production. On a side note, I came across the official 50501 Bluesky account sharing Andrewism videos about anarchism. Which is lowkey kinda based, we might just yet be able to radicalize the liberals into rejecting capitalism outright
>>2531324Of course you play Settlers of KKKatan, a game about carving up parts of the world into Settler-Colonies and repressing indigenous uprisings (callously referring to them as “the thief” while the real thieves are the colonists) all while exploiting resources so you can get more FUCKING TREATS.
>>2531326Has literally anyone ever told third worlders to wait? Ever?
From what I see it’s:
>”Fuck you treatlerite pigs! FUCK YOU! We’re gonna FUCKING MURDER YOU! I hope you SUFFER and DIE!”<“Okay, right back at you.”>”Oh my God I can’t believe you’d say something so mean. Whatever happened to internationalism?????”Literally no one is telling them to wait. If we talk about issues in our own country among ourselves in threads specifically dedicated to it, they’ll come in and complain that it needs to be about them 24/7 and any failure to nod along is shirking your international duties.
>>2531357People are UNHINGED? On an ANONYMOUS IMAGEBOARD? Why that has never happened before in the history of the internet lmfao
> If we talk about issues in our own country among ourselves in threads specifically dedicated to it, they’ll come in and complain that it needs to be about them 24/7Efforts in the US domestically will always be undermined by the fact that there's an impoverished reserve army of labor abroad, and in some ways it's aligned against workers in the third world. Most political shit demsocs barely manage to advance is insipid protectionism meant to protect industrial monopoly in the US (and thus wages) at the cost of workers abroad. The sooner you recognize this antagonism, the sooner you will be able to actually do anything that isn't berniecrat chauvinist garbage concessions that will erase themselves in less than 5 years. Are you going to get pissy and sabotage this conversation like you always do?
>>2531185I know it's reddit but fuck would I be lying if I said those comments didn't piss me off.
>>2531276>Post-Sakaist NihilismHow is it post-Sakaist?
>>2531368So why cant we dismantle American imperialism abroad and redirect that towards a welfare state at home? That would be a win win for everyone but the billionaire class so it's not a personal failing that people would desire that before "destroy America"
>>2531373>So why cant we dismantle American imperialism abroad and redirect that towards a welfare state at home?I don't think this has ever been a priority for the US left to my knowledge, can it be done? Who knows, at least you'd hope so. In the long term it would be indeed a win-win, in fact it's the crucial condition.
>>2531368The core of this thought goes back to shit like BadEmpanada saying workers in the first world forming unions is bad because “every cent comes from imperialism”. Well fuck it, we aren’t going to not form unions because it makes people in Paraguay upset.
And even assuming that’s true, which it isn’t, how the fuck doesn’t that just make internationalism wholly useless: “you’ve got to show your belly to the capitalists because anything you do comes at the cost of someone else.”
>>2531380>The core of this thought goes back to shit like BadEmpanada saying workers in the first world forming unions is bad because “every cent comes from imperialism”. Well fuck it, we aren’t going to not form unions because it makes people in Paraguay upset.I just said I liked pancakes
> “you’ve got to show your belly to the capitalists because anything you do comes at the cost of someone else.”Quote me on this
>>2531046They do technically
Likely every $ you have you got paid by a business that got investment from a bank that took out a loan from another bank that at some point got a loan from the fed. You just dont get much of the money.
>>2531381 (me)
Also you sabotaged the conversation instantly with a bunch of strawman garbage lmfao, typical CSAMUSAnon
>>2531380Bad empanada is bourgeois. Dude needs to get put in the rice fields.
>>2531380>The core of this thought goes back to shit like BadEmpanada saying workers in the first world forming unions is bad because “every cent comes from imperialism”. He didn't say that. He said be careful joining them and specifically gave this example: the international longshore and warehouse union (ILWU) went on strike, but made an exemption for weapons bound for Israel. So they basically refused to load all cargo onto ships except those deemed as necessary for "national security" (genocide). Noticing this conflict of interest is not to say that workers in the imperial core can't be socialist or that they aren't real workers.
>>2531388I mean a little while back he literally said "who says I care about socialism?" on twitter so
>>2531388He even gives tips on how to manage a youtube channel finances. If anything, he's a pretty successful youtuber.
>>2531381>Quote me on thisYou’ll never find me going to threads on China or Africa or whatever saying “well they should do this, they should do that, why are they doing X?” I, as a rule, try to avoid butting into other country’s business. Meanwhile anytime anyone mentions conditions in the U.S., no matter how abstract they are or generic in their desires to fix things, there’s half a dozen people like you that’ll say “Umm actually that comes at the cost of BILLIONS of kids in the orphan crushing machine, you fucking fascist!”
Say homelessness is awful out here? “Oh you’re just gonna drain the blood of third worlders.” Say our healthcare system is atrocious? “YOU JUST WANT MORE EFFICIENT IMPERIALISM.”
So forgive me if the constant replies people like you throw out when someone says “maybe we should improve our society somewhat” has encouraged cynicism on my part.
>>2531402>You’ll never find me going to threads on China or Africa or whatever saying “well they should do this, they should do that, why are they doing X?”Skill issue
>Say homelessness is awful out here? “Oh you’re just gonna drain the blood of third worlders.” Say our healthcare system is atrocious? “YOU JUST WANT MORE EFFICIENT IMPERIALISM.”Quote me on any of this shit lol, what are you even saying, what's your gripe even
From the looks of it you're just mad people not in the US are in the USApol thread, what a pissbaby you are, maybe go make friends IRL instead of trying to become a discord mod on here.
>>2531388If there was ever a revolution in Argentina, he and every other wealthy expat would be deported.
>>2531379>I don't think this has ever been a priority for the US left to my knowledgehttps://pslweb.org/program/ctrl+f "imperialism" on this page
>>2531409>Quote me on any of this shit lol, what are you even saying, what's your gripe evenI talked about third worldists doing nothing but making impotent threats and getting mad if people just say “well fine, I don’t care about you then” and your first instinct was to run interference and say “well ACKTUALLY if you protect wages at home it’s coming at the cost of workers abroad.”
>>2531402I say this in most non antagonistic way but you sound like platner. Even the nazi manifesto demands end to homelessness.
>>2531379>I don't think this has ever been a priority for the US left to my knowledge<For socialists in the imperialist countries, opposition to imperialist war and support for the right of self-determination of countries targeted by one’s “own” ruling class must be a top priority. This opposition is based on the irreconcilability of the interests of the working class and all who are oppressed by monopoly capitalism, who must sacrifice and die in these wars, with the imperialists’ interests — their drive for profit and domination.directly taken from the PSL party program. say what you will about them specifically, but you can go to most party programs for self described socialist and marxist parties and find some kind of sentiment similar to this echoed.
>>2531416>I talked about third worldists doing nothing but making impotent threatsOh ok, so you've decided to not address anything and instead talk about something else entirely.
You've fostered this climate of animosity towards you because you're pedantic, and a bit of an idiot, and it's trivially easy to get you fuming. Even now, when I try to have a conversation with you, you're polluting it by bringing in your irrelevant imageboard gripes. Typical CSAMUSAnon. Maybe you should make out with felix, get that sexual tension alleviated.
>>2531060this got ignored and now namecucks have monopolized the conversation with their bad antagonistic rhetoric
>>2531422This seems like an anti-war position mostly, but point taken.
>>2531388Crazy how he hasn't mentioned personal financisl difficulty once while Argentina implodes
>>2531439he posted a screenshot of his banking accounts and has like literally a million dollars in an offshore account lol
>>2531425You literally started off the conversation antagonistically then do some “aw shucks, we can’t even have a calm conversation!”
>>2531422Yknow the crazy thing is I can’t think of one example in my lifetime of socialists abroad expressing some kind of international solidarity with American workers. Not a one. Not for the fact that we’ve got workers out here rationing insulin or leaving illness untreated because of our healthcare system, not for homelessness or massive debts, not for the hollowing out of vast swathes of the country cause of outsourcing. Never. I can think of plenty examples of socialists over here, however weakly, at least trying to express solidarity or protest treatment of other peoples abroad, but for the most part it seems to only ever go one way.
In America, some proletarians want small mommy gf, with small milky. But we need to make sure the tent is big enough to allow proletarian mommy gf with biggy milky and penis
>>2531060Fascists like cracker platner always say they will tax the ten percent and give imperialists healthcare. You say the workers and peasants must support imperialists getting more treats but the workers and peasants across the globe reserve right to question fascists.
>>2531468>You literally started off the conversation antagonisticallyI think I was pretty nice, but I'm not used to dealing with little babies, that's on me fr fr.
>>2531477Literally the first sentence is condescending:
>People are UNHINGED? On an ANONYMOUS IMAGEBOARD? Why that has never happened before in the history of the internet lmfaoAnd the last one is an insult:
>Are you going to get pissy and sabotage this conversation like you always do?Of course it’s no surprise given your idea of “internationalism” is just a pyramid scheme.
>>2531468The imperialists, no matter the degree of their own suffering, will always remain the object of contempt of revolutionary. The roman plebian demanded bread and circus as they enslaved everybody. The labor zionist is still a fascist.
>>2531479Not only is that in reaction to your blatant strawmanning, it's obviously not my first interaction with you, you know which one it is, but apparently you also conveniently became really dumb at following the reply chain.
>And the last one is an insultIf anything it was a fairly accurate prediction, I think.
>>2531481My name Roman Plebian, lets go bowling
>>2531482It’s not strawmanning when it’s shit that gets spammed in this thread everyday.
>>2531487It is if you're literally trying to pin this dumb spam on me lol, like are you dumb, do you not understand what strawmanning is. It's also literally most of this conversation, like I'm sorry an anonymous imageboard is too filled with literal shitposting meant to fuck with you in particular, perhaps you should go to houdini's board which will no doubt accommodate for your moderation needs.
>>2531480
I don't think its true and I also think it's reactionary
>>2531497I mean the spam could be CSAMAnon himself sockpuppeting trying to find reasons to bitch endlessly, and dismiss every alleged third worldist without engaging. This is why you address posts individually, literally the whole point of imageboards is to engage with the content of any individual post without username baggage.
>>2531493Again your first reaction was to run interference for it. You’re calling it strawmanning when it’s literally what people post here, then you try to defend the crux of its point regardless (that those dastardly westerners aren’t doing enough for you) and now you’re falling back on “well it’s not like I’m doing all of this spam!”
Like if a bar fight erupts because two people are arguing and your instinct is to pick a side, you don’t get to say “My hands are clean, I’ve got nothing to do with this!”
>>2531507>Again your first reaction was to run interference for it.Because you decided to use it as a basis to dismiss my post
> then you try to defend the crux of its point regardless (that those dastardly westerners aren’t doing enough for you) literally never said this, you continue putting words in my mouth, mate you're so bad at this
>Like if a bar fight erupts because two people are arguing and your instinct is to pick a sidemaybe it's a little bit your fault that the atmosphere is so tense, it really seems like you're trying to transform every conversation into a bar fight
>>2531317The Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Periphery regions inside of the Imperial Core, due to the fact that the U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (the ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, combined with Trump sending the National Guard to Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo and Black/New Afrikan neighborhoods in LA, Chicago, and DC, has transformed this to a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by Lenin’s principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, which will happen once the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted, with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2531510>Because you decided to use it as a basis to dismiss my postYou mean the post where you created this totally fictitious western leftist that’s telling you “no no no, you have to WAIT for OUR revolution FIRST!” Literally no one on this board says that. Meanwhile you’re bitching “oh you dismissed my post!” While also stating that the people we can literally see, every single day, spamming that “you’re a fascist if you don’t kill yourself westerner” type shit is all some elaborate conspiracy by the guy obviously annoyed by it.
At least I can fucking point to people we can see. You’re just conjuring them out of thin air. No one is saying “wait for us”. You want to do a revolution? Fine, you’ve got my permission now, is that what you wanted to hear?
>literally never said this, you continue putting words in my mouth, mate you're so bad at thisYour words:
<Efforts in the US domestically will always be undermined by the fact that there's an impoverished reserve army of labor abroad, and in some ways it's aligned against workers in the third world. Most political shit demsocs barely manage to advance is insipid protectionism meant to protect industrial monopoly in the US (and thus wages) at the cost of workers abroad.You’re saying, pretty explicitly, that efforts will
always be undermined by the existence of the third world proletariat. Always. Even protectionism which, mind you, is an imperfect reform, is just too much because third world workers would pay the cost. Yet is there even the slightest bit of concern or frustration for the workers over here that were left jobless by the push for global free trade? From my perspective it seems like those are acceptable sacrifices to you—leave a thousand towns stagnant, let the houses rot, let the people get addicted to opiates and die young, but some DemSoc suggests tariffs as part of a reindustrialization plan? Evil incarnate.
>maybe it's a little bit your fault that the atmosphere is so tense, it really seems like you're trying to transform every conversation into a bar fight
<“I shoved this guy and he shoved me back, can you believe how out of control he is!” >>2531545
>>2531539 Anon, for your own sanity, stop arguing with these people.
>>2531545
>>2531547
>It’s a strawman, third worldists don’t say any of that!
<proceeds to literally exclaim the “strawman” claims verbatim
All leftist spaces online are filled with bad faith actors who work actively to derail potential productive discussion towards organizing and bringing about revolution. This is not accidental.
>>2531550Ah fair enough, it’s gotten unproductive anyways.
So I moved to Florida essentially with nothing to my name and a small amount of money each month made off a socialist magazine. Anarcho-communist magazine. Counterculture magazine, whatever you want to call it. Why Florida, especially when there's a strong current in places like the PNW? Especially when I already know people in the Seattle area? Maybe I'm an insane person but it seemed to me that there's a need for people like me in these spaces, and Florida is incredibly bleak. I'm talking poverty like I haven't seen since I was growing up in South Louisiana. There's essentially nothing here, what is here is run through the churches.
I live in a motel, the cheapest motel in this town. I pay by the week. I basically have no material possessions, sold them all — lost them all in the move. The single homeless shelter in this city is run via the churches, and it's always over capacity. Living in a motel means I'm on the stoop, and that's where people who are turned away from the shelter go. They post up on the motel stoop, unable to afford a room, needing somewhere safe to smoke a joe and avoid the police.
The other night, there was a woman, she was clearly fiending for a bag of that britney, her name could have been Britney. I'm chilling on the stoop, smoking the tiniest, littlest, the skimpiest little slut of a blunt, the weed? came from that same stoop — roaches gathered and repackaged. Stoop weed from those trapping out the motel. I'm reading Gramsci, skimming the prison notebooks. She asks me for a hit of the blunt, I let her smoke, least I can do. We get to chatting a bit, small talk. I notice she's gotta be at least 4, maybe 5 months pregnant. Still fiending for the dog food. She's talking about how she ain't ate that whole day. I believe it. I've got half a pizza, the pizza? someone in my collective bought it for me. I gave her the pizza, only had a slice of it myself but I knew she needed it more. Again, back to the Gramsci, she leaves with the pizza, and there's just a little weed left. I look down at the parking lot, it's caked in filth, black and mild tips, 305 menthol packs, all types of plastic debris and let's keep it a buck, used needles and other shit. Kids live in this motel, got a single mom with 2 kids having to leave them in this motel so she can hit her shifts. Can you imagine trying to explain to that woman that she actually benefits from imperialism? That she's not working class because the job is at a Circle K and not in a factory? The things I've been told and read online are simply not the lived reality of the masses.
So I'm smoking this pathetic little stoop weed blunt trying to read Gramsci, trying to get a bigger picture in my head of how to make actual change happen, to be the revolutionary I set out to be. But Britney shattered something in me that night. What good is theory to a crack baby? What good is me reading theory when the poverty that surrounds me, the poverty I live in and was born in and am so familiar with seems to be an immovable object. The best I could offer her was just that little bit of mutual aid, that pizza, that hit of the blunt. I told her about my magazine, the website, I knew she wouldn't look it up. She's a base head, she's got other priorities. But even if she did, is there anything that I've ever said that could impact her? That could make a difference? I sat with that for a while before coming to the realization that no, nothing I've done, said, no internet clout is going to change her conditions.
One small collective and one single revolutionary showing up in the pits of Florida, a deep red part of Florida, with limited resources and nothing but a will? Feels like pissing in the wind. Feels like an intellectualization of my inability to actualize legitimate change. All the while, I'm living in the same poverty, the same motel, the same pit.
The next day, I spoke to another person who lives at the motel, came to find out Britney is a regular, she's been tricking at that motel for a while now. This is why I move the way I do, it's not an intellectual exercise, nor is it something to wait for. Every day without a revolution is another day of suffering for people like Britney. The majority of "the left", at least those I've interacted with online and offline, are highly disconnected from this poverty, these material conditions. I can't stand listening to talks about how there's either no working class in the USA at all, or how everyone here is a labor aristocrat, or how there's no revolutionary potential here, there's nothing to be done. These are all things that are said from a position of comfort. Did you know they've cut food stamps? I have a friend who makes 22k a year as a special needs teacher, 2 kids, she relies on food stamps, and those are gone now. Did you know they cut medicaid? Yeah her kids aren't going to have healthcare either. She's only 1 to 2 degrees removed from Britney.
Do you think this disconnect is caused by the wealth of those who act as spokespeople for a socialist program? Can someone who makes 70k a month relate to someone like Britney? Is your success as a revolutionary measured by your ability to make money on Patreon? Have we lost the plot entirely? Irregardless, there is work to be done, and it is so much work that I simply cannot give mental energy to those who have lost the optimism of their will. Those who have embraced a comfortable nihilism cannot be the face of revolution. The failures of the left to actualize change are to be placed on the left, on our people, it is our burden to bear, the attempts to shift the blame to those victimized by hyper capitalism, these attempts are falling on deaf ears.
"This pessimism is closely linked to the current situation in which our country finds itself; the situation explains it to a certain extent, but, of course, does not justify it. What difference would there be between us and the Socialist Party, between our will and the party’s tradition, if we also knew how to work and were only actively optimistic in periods when the cows were plump, when the situation was favorable? What difference would there be between us if we were only actively optimistic when the working masses advanced of their own accord, because of an impulse they could not fight, and the proletarian parties could take up a prime position and grab hold of the reins of their own accord?"
—Antonio Gramsci, Against Pessimism
"I would like myself and those close to me to live in non shitty conditions" and "imperialism needs to end" aren't mutually exclusive positions, amazingly enough
How about instead of circling through the same debates over and over again we try to have some productive conversation! Last weekend's No Kings protests may have been a libfest, but mass rallies like that are always a good opportunity to make connections. Anybody make any contact with some organizations and mutual aid groups, or got any normies breadpilled as a result of the protests? I was with my family so unfortunately I was able to do little except share some zines around
>>2531560ok the gonzo journalism angle is awesome. More of this please
>>2531549I know this place sucks ass at analyzing mainstream politics but he's right. Real people have flaws. If you can't look past this guy's stupid tattoo to criticize his actual views then the tattoo clearly isn't that important. If you can criticize his views, why aren't you?
The secretary of defense has multiple nazi tattoos and everyone just treats it as business as usual. But I guess Democrats as the "good cop" of the political duopoly have to have a squeaky clean reputation to facilitate shilling for Israel. I guess.
>>2531571A nazi tattoo on your chest is not just a simple flaw.
>>2531571The people who are against Nazis are not supporting hegseth.
>>2531571 He fucking murdered people and is proud of it
>>2531560>>2531567It's giving Pynchon
>>2531571trvke they want to endlessly critique power speak on it
>>2531571>The secretary of defense has multiple nazi tattoos and everyone just treats it as business as usual.Maybe because he's blatantly our enemy and not someone trying to court our support?
Do you have a fucking hole in your skull, did all the brains leak out?
>>2531571There is a big difference between squeaky clean and having big nazi tattoos on yourself. This is not going to work pal.
>>2531560>>2531574>>2531571>>2531572He's running against a republican who's probably worse and it's in Maine anyways why do you guys give a shit.
Let the less shitty guy beat out the horrible person. Fuck every republican, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and yall are just trying to keep a republican in office at this point
>>2531549>Krystal Ball on the wagon of nazi tattoosdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, braaah.
how hard is for the fucking twat to erase the tattoo and apologize? after all the campaign donors he has, if he can't, he means it.
>>2531582I will continue to not support people with nazi tattoos
>>2531558this means kulinsky is going to flex some serious mental gymnastics, lmao.
>>2531581You're purposefully overstating how "nazi" his tattoo is. He got it when he was drunk, and it's a fucking
skull and crossbones the most ambiguous symbol anyone could claim as representing they're stupid cause
>>2531572I mean he has worse flaws like being a Blackwater mercenary. Why aren't people talking about that instead of the tattoo? It's a way bigger dealbreaker.
The Nazi tattoo he admitted he didn't know was a Nazi tattoo, and I kinda believe it because Nazis insert their shit everywhere as a dogwhistle to eachother and normies are seemingly totally oblivious of every single Nazi dogwhistle.
>>2531580>our support?We aren't Democrats bruh. Our goal isn't to elect better Democrats it's to destroy the political duopoly.
>>2531590I am not over stating anything at all. It is a nazi tattoos and he has had it on for over 20 years.
>>2531582Critikkkal support to Graham Strasser!
>>2531582>Fuck every republican, the enemy of my enemy is my friendyou know, people supporting Dugin flex the same pattern.
y'all will support nazis as long it is in the demokkkrat party, the same way obama did with nuland in ukraine and biden brom 2020 to 2024.
>>2531591The black water thing was already a deal breaker for me and his tours. I have spammed about this guy being garbage here for over a month. The tattoo just adds onto it
>>2531591>Our goal isn't to elect better Democrats it's to destroy the political duopoly.then run a fucking communist instead? Or you're against electoralism anyways I bet, and if that's the case why do you even care in the first place?
>>2531596
My favorite thing is him pretending not to know what a Totenkopf is.
>>2531599
You're such a fucking retard lol. In about 100 years, yeah that would make sense to argue. But for the time being, you have socdems with skull and crossbone tattoos running in Maine. Take it or leave it, you're powerless either way
>>2531597>then run a fucking communist instead? Or you're against electoralism anyways I bet, and if that's the case why do you even care in the first place?I mentioned this in the previous thread but I firmly believe the key to destroying the duopoly is just exacerbating the competency crisis and getting rid of incumbent career politicians in favor of flawed dudebros with incomprehensible politics.
So yeah, the guy with the nazi tattoo is probably still better for "The Left" than the 77 year old Democrat that started her political career in the 1970's because the nazi tattoo guy is less likely to have strong feelings about maintaining the political status quo as someone that hasn't been a part of it their entire life.
>>2531568You guys really need to be liberated by Xi ASAP lol
usa don't worship nazis challenge impossible
>>2531604I will leave it. I have zero support in anyway for platner
>>2531582HAHAHAHHAHA the absolute state of american lefties
>>2531598I wonder if his post above accounts for nazi apologia. It looks tempting to report it.
>>2531623Trump has not done one thing wrong
>>2531623As always, Trump being way more based than the american left.
The fact that Palantir is able to dreg up Platner's online history and fixated on a private video taken of his tattoo is proof that he is somewhat of a threat to capital.
>>2531623Antifa bombed the white house
>>2531632Palantir is Nazi too so I guess it's Nazi on Nazi violence.
>>2531635He is not a nazi, he is the median american voter. Completely ahistorical and erratic in political ideology.
>>2531629Unironically this. Fascists, MIGA, succdems and liberals will all work together to get every single mf to the left of Bernie Sanders into concentration camps.
>>2531636Pretty much. Terminally online politics types find it impossible to accept that the median American is just a series of incomprehensible contradictions and dont fit into the predefined black/white politics we're used to.
>>2531632Assuming this is from Palantir it just shows they'd prefer the alternative. Not everything is a binary between based and revolutionary or cringe and capitalist you fascist idiot.
>>2531643The alternatives will probably prefer status quo which is what they want. I am guessing they dont want another Madamni on their hands.
Okay how about this for a conversation starter, what have you done to advance the revolutionary leftist cause in America this month so far?
>>2531632Whats the source on this being a palantir job?
>>2531642Contradictory political beliefs of a normal person are wanting free healthcare while also wanting zero taxes, not being a fucking nazi and member of a criminal para-military organization. Stop with the whitewashing of terrible people.
>>2531637I assume that people will make asses of themselves in dinosaur costumes outside the chain link as the left is gassed leftypol will cheer for the death of the strasserites
>>2531615>>2531610Ok cool. I mean it doesn't matter, doubt you live in Maine, but personally I would prefer dems over republicans. The world is a fucking terrible evil place, everything is a trolley problem, and if you don't believe that, if you think there's some Karmic force out there that will reward you for your abstention, you're a child.
No one gives a fucking shit. He's a "progressive" or whatever the fuck that means and if normies vote for him, that's probably slightly better than whatever literal atomwaffen nutjob he would unseat
>>2531652Why do we not just, idk, arm the dinosaurs? Inflatable costumes carrying guns is the kind of post-meta-ironic aesthetic that we need in this day and age
>>2531632Social Democracy isn't a threat to capital.
>>2531651> not being a fucking nazi Come on, we both know he is not a nazi. Literally a week ago his revealed online history prove as such.
>>2531657Carrying a gun is right wing coded so they won't
>>2531659god you're so FUCKING ASTUTE AND WITTY AHHHHHH
yeah no shit. social democracy is, at least, a mild annoyance. If it made no difference, it wouldn't be so hard to get and keep social-democratic programs
>>2531659Then why do capitalists use their tools and resources to such an extreme level to succdems?
I don't even like succdems but it is clear that Capital thinks they are a threat.
>>2531653>Multiple political sources now claim that advanced data-analysis tools, possibly including Palantir or similar AI-driven technology, may have been used to trace the archived account and compile identifying information linking it to Platner.
>As of now, Politico has not disclosed the technical methods or sources behind the discovery.>>2531650 (nta)
>Whats the source on this being a palantir job?Evidence: 0.
>>2531663Carrying a gun hasn't been rightoid coded for years tho. Ever since transgenders and furries started open carrying to protect themselves from psychotic rightoids the idea of having a gun to resist tyranny is something even libs have warmed up to
>>2531667>Then why do capitalists use their tools and resources to such an extreme level to succdemsbecause the ideology of the CIA is anti-communist, and that encompasses the
liberals succdems trying to seduce the same state that hates them.
>>2531667They learned the obvious lesson that they don't need to give an inch so they won't
>>2531664
god I wish you were a namefag so I could filter you that is SO fucking funny. That's you're argument? The dumb normie chud is worse than fucking ATOMWAFFEN?? Maybe you're desensitized by all the snuff films you voluntarily watch in your free time
>>2531653>>2531632>>2531643Palantir is merely a bunch of softwares you can use on databases or sets to find stuff or make models and such. So maybe a newspaper used that software to do, well, their job, but it oesn't mean Peter Thiel and a bunch of dudes in a smoky dark room were plotting against Strasser
>>2531670 Terminally online analysis
>>2531660So all the tattoos and his comments about how he wishes to have been in Vietnam and Nicaragua slaughtering communists are just a little goof? He's just a military history aficionado?
>>2531656Blud, he is covered in nazi tattoos and was a merc and calls himself a communist? He is obviously some sort of spook, even if Palantir is involved in digging up all these things doesnt mean that he is a better option or a "threat to Capital" (lmfao), the current admin are just petty retards and might have blown up his cover without knowing it lol
>>2531675Your analysis is outdated by nearly a decade
>>2531660>did 4 tours of duty voluntarily in imperialist wars against countries that didn't attack America>joined a mercenary company less than 10 years ago, during trump's first term>happens to have nazi tattoos he got permanently inked on his body despite not knowing what it means<VOOT FOR THE LESSER EVIL!!!!1! how lower can ballotcels sink? how much longer must bulletchads reeducate you?
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>>2531680well considering how "anti-electoral" the left is here, no one with remotely good politics will ever run for office in this country. It's the perfect way for us to always lose and always blame "imperialism" or whatever so we can keep complaining on the internet. And I love it!
Shit like this makes you miss the Black Panther Party.
>>2531683Sliwa will lead a revolution
>>2531629actually if anything the military history was the real news and the fascist ink is just the cherry on top. actually volunteering 4 times to invade and kill people in a country that didn't attack you, and then become a soldier of fortune, is a way bigger red flag than the tats, which almost seem like a distraction from the former topics. A scandal of aesthetics being used to distract from the actual things he did.
>>2531685why are you putting imperialism in scare quotes
>>2531685Go back to r/politics
>>2531684
Would you prefer him or the republican in the seat?
I am once again bringing up that plaltner is directly in favor of expanding the US Navy
>>2531692A republican president is currently destroying US hegemony out of pure retardation, they are unironically the lesser evil
>>2531692I think we'd all prefer a revolution leading to a free federation of workers organizations
>>2531691not an argument
>>2531690because blaming imperialism for your refusal to participate in electoral politics by running your own candidates is retarded. We should be blaming either ourselves or our fear of being blapped by the FBI (legitimate)
>>2531683i hate these fucking losers so much man
>>2531696Ohhhhh ok well then do that! Why aren't you doing that?
>>2531696it's so simple! Do it! Come on just get up and do it! It's easy! Why are you posting on a board about some normie pseudo-chud and start your revolution! Or… is this how you're going to do it? Is this how we do it, guys? Posting on leftypol?
>>2531667Capital treats them like a threat because the current bourgeoisie are true believers of Free Market ideology that views even the most milktoast of welfare programs like the second-coming of Stalin.
On top of this they have spent the last 40+ years getting everything they want while our lives get worse with little to no pushback.
So of course when someone suggests they redistribute even a fly's nut hair size of their wealth they're going to freak out and do everything to stop them.
>>2531683source me. I couldn't find that post.
>>2531700Okay cool. The first step to doing that is organizing with local groups or create your own. DSA PSL whomstever if you can find some sympathetic comrades. If you live in an ICE heavy area I would high recommend starting out with "community defense organizations", which patrol neighborhoods for ICE agents and protect immigrant communities. From there you can springboard to bigger action
>>2531703
>prefer neither
guess what brother, the dichotomy… this one… isn't false! You have to choose! Welcome to hell!
>no material difference
Enemy of enemy = friend, less degrees of separation between people who agree with you and eventually to him, the list goes on and on! If you want to completely abstain from the world, go for it! It's called suicide! Or, you could run yourself. Why don't you? Do it!
>>2531709what is this bigger action?
>>2531666sure but if you do this without the necessary tact and social graces you are just going to seem like an obnoxious wrecker. because it is obnoxious when people turn any discussion over tangible projects and goals into an excuse to have ideological conversations about issues not currently at hand and orgs that enable those endless discussions about ideological positions quickly end up circling the drain
realistically if you are working alongside people in your org regularly enough, these things will come out sooner or later, if nothing else just in conversation. i dont think its good advice to suggest people try to purposely fish around looking for suspect opinions.
>>2531709also, these community defense organizations, do they already exist in places and what is their track record? How do they avoid getting instantly obliterated by the surveillance state? Are they successful in their goals or do they hit a brick-wall? Whatever happened to the black panthers? Why were they crushed so brutally into submission? What makes this moment different from theirs?
>>2531718buddy I'm just trying to be realistic regardless of what you holier than thou fags say about me because I actually believe in doing something instead of trying being the snarkiest faggot on the message board like you
>>2531718This. Not an electoralist but I can still understand the rationale behind backing Zohran Mamdani. This nazi asshole on the other hand? Big fucking stretch and in no way a lesser evil.
>>2531722Stop calling yourself a marxist. You are not one.
>>2531722>Doing somethingBy voting for Nazi mercenaries?
>>2531715It would vary, but keep in mind the ultimate goal is communism at the end of the day, and with that the overthrow or sidelining of the American state as it currently exists. How we get there depends on the exact nature of the group. Like going back to the community defense shit for example, a support network and volunteer patrol that keeps immigrants safe from ICE harassment has easy potential to be molded into an actual army. You can either do this on the downlow with your organization represented by a legal front, or you can do it in plain sight and collaborate with the SRA or something like that. The idea is to work towards repelling the feds from your community entirely
>>2531721Last I checked they began popping up a bunch at the beginning of the LA occupation and in neighborhoods where they're active they do a pretty good job at being vital resources for immigrants and other vulnerable populations.
>>2531722You are the opposite of realistic, the guy has nazi tattoos and lusts for brown blood in front of your own eyes
>>2531725Forget the marxist part, he should stop calling himself a normal adult lol
>>2531695see THIS is the like… weird embracing of a retarded paradox as if it's some kind of 3d chess 400iq Real Communism positiion.
>ummmm akshually it's GOOD we have a president who fucking sucks complete shit and blackbags brown people on the streets of chicago in broad daylight to fill his concentration camps. This all assumes there will be a breaking point! What if america doesn't collapse and it's just this now, forever? What if this actually makes the empire stronger? I bet it will! I bet that there is no actual breakdown, and we're just more fucked than we were before!
>>2531718>couldn't dredgeheavy lift.
didn't want to, sounds close to what happened.
>>2531728>deliberately hyperbolic bullshit because you're a faggotOk bud
>>2531731>hyperbolicI'm just describing what everyone can see except you
honkoid status?
I still remember when platner insulted mamdani due to being compared to mamdani
Look
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/maine-senate-graham-platner_n_68b70ec0e4b081a4d93beebb>>2531734Defending Nazis and believing they're the Marxist vanguard for doing so.
>>2531729>you must vote for a nazi if you want to stop america from being nazik
>>2531729US empire will only get weaker and more miserable but won't collapse, it will just eventually become a schizo homeless junkie of the world that nobody finishes off
>>2531725what? in that when I read what marx wrote here I actually understood what he meant?
>My standpoint, from which the evolution of the economic formation of society is viewed as a process of natural history, can less than any other make the individual responsible for relations whose creature he socially remains, however much he may subjectively raise himself above them.or uhhh this one?
>In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free tradeAnd that I know how to extrapolate those two historical materialist first principles to an understanding that you gotta make deals to grease the wheels and move forward? If you're nowhere NEAR a civil war or breakdown in hegemony, then you need to do what you can to
do politics. Every other communist party across the world operates like this, yet you ultra left extremely online fags want to assume you know how things
actually work
>>2531739he's retarded. he's a retard.
>>2531740man I can't wait! The proletariate will be so healthy and ready to pounce! The one thing I know about workers is they're really organized and progressive when they're all starving and addicted to fent! Viva la revolucion!
>>2531738Using the stones to destroy the stones
>>2531739>let me create a monopoly>?????
>no, no, don't price gauge the market!!<REEEElmao.
>>2531741Marx never dealt with nazis. you are comparing free market with nazism. you are being beyond idiotic, jfc.
>>2531745The Bolsheviks literally were offering to help stop people, who were mostly still loyal to specifically the Tsar, help to avoid literally freezing to death in their homes.
>>2531741Most communist parties in the world don't endorse Nazi war criminals dude.
i don't know or care much about planter really, but i am gonna give him benefit of the doubt on the "nazi" tattoo. when i first saw an article i assumed it was a swastika or some other obvious nazi symbol. but then i saw it was a skull and crossbones. i find his story very plausible that he got it drunk in the military and thought it was just a skull and crossbones. maybe not, and he totally knew, but i honestly think he's probably telling the truth.
>>2531729>What if this actually makes the empire stronger?If you were a marxist you would know this wont happen.
>>2531752He is an obvious spook.
>>2531732>guy running for senate is a normie chud who was in the military and likes guns, doesn't think about imperialism because he's too stupid to understand the structure as it was never presented to him, doesn't ever say anything actually racist, has tattoos he got drunk in the army that he immediately covered up when people told him they were marginally MARGINALLY offensive because they might be construed as right wingyou
>this guy is a nazi who wants to murder every brown baby I just know it Literal hyperbole for the sake of argument. Couldn't be more clear cut.
Lets accelerate the discussion about Platner by making it even more toxic.
FIDEL CASTRO
>Dad was a Fascist
>Was mentored in a Jesuit school that took huge influence from Falangists
>In an interview in Miami, one of Castro's tutors, Armando Llorente, described him showing interest in Fascist leaders like Hitler, Mussoslini, and Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera
<“He sang Cara Al Sol twenty thousand times and with his arm raised.” Llorente said
>Castro was later visited by Llorente in Sierra Maestra, Llorente commented on his involvement in seemingly Socialist movements and Castro replied:
<“Father, from where am I supposed to take up communism if my father is more of a Francoist than yourself?”
Castro on his schooling:
<“At that time, the Spanish teachers of my school, in Santiago, spoke of that war. From the political point of view they were nationalists, said it more frankly they were Francoists, all without exception.”
<“They know how to form the character of the students (…) The Spanish Jesuit knows how to inculcate a great sense of personal dignity, the sense of personal honor, knows to appreciate the character, the frankness, the rectitude, the courage of the person, the capacity of enduring a sacrifice (…). And I believe that my temperament, which in part is from birth, forged also there with the Jesuits.”
Another quote by Llorente:
<“ He had many heroes during his boyhood and youth . . . Lenin, Hitler, Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera . . . ᴉuᴉlossnW . . . Perón . . . He knew the speeches of Jose Antonio by memory … He knew ‘Mein Kampf’ and also Lenin’s ‘What is to be Done?’. ”
>Was buddy buddy with the Falangists that visited Cuba for world youth day.
>Gustavo Morales, the young leader of the Falangists going to Cuba, got a chance to meet Castro and the meeting was described as:
<“Morales affirms that the treatment with Fidel went beyond cordiality and that the dictator, 'with an overwhelming personality, you like him, he takes you wherever he wants', he stopped them as he passed and said: ‘Comrades, I know what you are up to'. Then he told them something about the library of the House of the Heroic Guerrilla Fighter and its relation to certain readings. Morales headed there before setting sail back to Spain and found ‘the complete works of José Antonio, the cheap edition, the one with José Antonio's death mask on the cover, I open it and put, from Antonio de Olano to his friend Fidel Castro, September 1958, and the seal of the José Antonio Circles'. ”
>Invited literal ex-Nazi Death Squad members to train troops in Cuba
>>2531758You are beyond retarded
>>2531757IN WHAT WAY? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN? A SPOOK FOR WHO????
>>2531760ad hominem checkmate I win fuck you Vote Blue No Matter Who babyyyy Biden 2028 eat shittttt
when approaching elections, why do we automatically assume running candidates under the democrats as opposed to starting an actual third party which would now thrive in an environment where the dems are hated just as much as the republicans
>>2531752see my reasoning:
>>2531584he has the time and money to erase the tattoo. he has opted to not to.
>>2531761Spook means glowy
>>2531752that's the worst thing you could say around these parts, buddy. We're brown baiting you better take it or leave it
>>2531766no shit dumbass, wwhat I'm asking is how does that make any sense? What is the conspiracy in your head that makes that work?
>>2531768
felix can you shut the fuck up or just namefag again so we can filter you. You're such a pussy
>>2531764no one like DSA or CPUSA can run a candidate because they're scared that leftypol will brigade their subreddits
>>2531758>doesn't think about imperialism because he's too stupid to understand the structure as it was never presented to himYou expect me to believe brother volunteered to participate in many American wars against non-aggressive nations and later became a mercenary and STILL doesn't know what imperialism is? That in his mind he really was just fighting for Freedom and Democracy™? Platner ain't some ignorant normie with some chud beliefs like your average image board dweller or online shitposter, he was and still is a hired gun for the darkest reaction.
Once again I am saying Platner will gun for war with China, feel free to screencap.
>>2531769They know people are done with the "woke left" and want to pander to something more old school, some masculine guy with a pro-working class message.
>>2531773>expect me to believe he still doesn't know what imperialism is?Yes. People are fucking retarded. It's called Theory Of Mind, you autistic dipshit. Read about it
>>2531774he only likes easy wars so prolly venezuela instead
Platner enlisted in the Marine Corps shortly after graduating from high school in 2003.[8] He attended the Marine Corps School of Infantry, then deployed to Iraq in 2005.[2] He served eight years in the military, including three combat tours in Iraq, in areas including Ramadi and Fallujah.[9] Asked why he served in the Iraq War after protesting it, Platner said, "I thought I could do some good. And I wanted to play soldier. I might have read too much Hemingway."[10]
After four years in the military, Platner enrolled at George Washington University on a G.I. Bill scholarship.[8] Shortly after starting school, he enlisted in the Maryland Army National Guard and served an additional tour of duty in the war in Afghanistan.[11][12] He returned to Washington in 2011, resuming classes at GWU and working as a bartender at the Tune Inn on Capitol Hill.[13][14] From 2011 to 2016 he alternated between living in D.C. and military deployments, before withdrawing from GWU and returning to Maine in 2016 for treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder and other military-related injuries.[12][8][10][15]
In 2018, Platner returned to Kabul, Afghanistan, for about six months as a State Department security contractor with Constellis, the private military company formerly known as Blackwater.[16][9][
>>2531784
Dude you're not going to convince anyone to kill themselves by posting here
>>2531778Why isnt this guy banned already? If someone started shlling Richard Spencer here they would get banned instantly and this retard is shilling for someone even worse.
>>2531778>>2531783>Asked why he served in the Iraq War after protesting it, Platner said, "I thought I could do some good. And I wanted to play soldier. Yeah but he totally doesn't know what imperialism is! He's just some confused dumb normie with good intentions but with an unfortunate proclivity towards getting Nazi tattoos and doing war crimes in third world nations!
>>2531787You're such a fucking pussy lol. Completely dishonest in your arguments all you do is lean on hyperbole to make your point.
And guess what, I have nuance! My assumption is that Platner will probably be a Fetterman character. I don't know if it's possible to be worse than john fetterman, however. But in any case, I would prefer a democrat over a republican. Crucify me! I'm sorry, karmic god of communism! I had impure thoughts!
>>2531792yeah he's probably a piece of shit. And he deserves to get shit on if he's running as anything close to a "progressive". I just think people need to be normal and serious and think about things from a normie perspective before they start exaggerating because they're online retards with no real sense of politics.
>>2531740>US empire will only get weaker and more miserable but won't collapse, it will just eventually become a schizo homeless junkie of the world that nobody finishes offThat's literally what most historical imperial collapses look like. See Britain. See Rome. Going out in a suicidal blaze of glory is the exception not the rule
>>2531779Can't imagine a politician who would get other people killed doing something they wouldn't
>>2531798Why dont you just go join the IDF or something already if you think guys who blow up brown people in the third world for fun are cool?
Kys
>>2531758>normie chudin a country of 380 million, about 6% of the U.S. adult population, or approximately 18 million people, are living veterans, while around 0.4% are currently active military personnel. This means that a total of about 7% of Americans have served in the military at some point in their lives
But only 0.8% of the U.S. population has served in the Marine Corps.
Now whittle that down further, and ask how many marines have served 4 tours of duty specifically in imperialist wars against countries that didn't attack the US, and the percentage is much smaller, then whittle that down to what percentage of marines not only served said 4 tours of imperialist duty, but also got a job as a mercenary less than 10 years ago. Now consider that this guy also has nazi tats and is running for office and pretending to be lefitst.
This is not a "normie" every day chud, this is soemthing much, much worse.
>>2531810MAGA is pretty good at doing retarded shit just for show so there is still a chance for the empire to go with a bang instead of just slowly dying.
I'm trusting the plan.
>>2531773I assume many officials inside the US military know what's the purpose of their service. they are taught with superb education, besides military training, like engineering, history and basic politics.
why do people think america is gonna collapse? because of the economy? not happening in one of the two places on the planet with a tech sector
>>2531749>uses an example of a bourgeois revolution from 100 years ago in a different place with a completely different cultureWe should replicate that! Bring back the tsar, then people will love us! it's so easy…
>>2531827he glows so fucking hard
>>2531816you sure love to put words in other people's mouths huh. Totally honest and cool good faith argument you got there! Definitely hinged and not hyperbolic for the sake of your own repressed violent tendencies!
say what you want about the man, but platner is not a product of elite society, and politicians like that are few and far between. look at how many people admire Hunter biden for smoking crack and having an oz of charisma
>>2531831sure he is just a regular joe
lol
lmao even
>>2531826 Feel free to point to any historical revolt by the content, fat, and healthy
>>2531835yes. compare him to Pete buttigeig who acts and talks like a dust-eating bug
remember how Fetterman cucks said he's just a big lovable oaf in basketball shorts who should be voted for because republicans ran scare mongering ads against him calling him socialist? then he turned out to be the biggest AIPAC bootlicker of all time?
Now consider how many more warning signs you have with Graham Platner. Do you really want another fell for it again award?
>>2531840>we should purposefully neglect our fellow man and the proletariat see ourselves leading so that they are hungry enough to follow usGreat! You're gonna do so great! Good job!
>>2531831>say what you want about the man, but platner is not a product of elite society, and politicians like that are few and far between.neither was the homeless austrian painter who served in WW1
>>2531843fetterman had a million more warning signs cuz he had a decade in politics beforehand, his black constituents especially always knew the truth about who he was, a racist prick from the start
>>2531841I think he meant "im a nazi cia agent and some retard on leftypol called normal adult marxist is having a melty and sweeping for me for free" or something like that
>>2531842don't you dare compare that cretin to my boy Adam
>>2531846>fetterman had a million more warning signs cuz he had a decade in politics beforehandyes but platner has 2 decades in politics. unless you think voluntarily attacking countries that didn't attack you is apolitical.
>>2531833of all the imperialists in the world, only america has the tools to manage decline. the sparks will fly in places like Europe
>>2531845yes thanks for pointing that out. the candidates we field in the political arena will be the same
>>2531840>fat, and healthyobesity isn't healthy, not to distract from your broader point which is correct
>>2531858any actually interesting arguments?
>>2531851>of all the imperialists in the world, only america has the tools to manage declineit's actually throwing all those tools out the windows in the name of an unrealistic desire to RETVRN to a golden age that never was
>>2531860well here's one Normal Adult Marxist conveniently ignored after calling him a "normie chud":
>>2531821 It's pretty evident that the American Left, at least the Left on this website, are not ideologically serious or disciplined enough to achieve anything right now.
It's kinda sad its been this way my entire life and nothing ever changes.
>>2531850Working for blackwater is completely apolitical, it's like you people never had a summer job or something
>>2531861idk man, trump is breaking with liberal tradition and nationalizing companies, so america is showing a capacity for change that europe has yet to prove. in this world it's either adapt or die
>>2531865thank you for injecting this conversation with much needed sincerity
>>2531821Anyone who doesnt see he is an obvious glowy is beyond saving.
>>2531866trump's dream is to simultaneously keep dollar hegemony, but also switch from free trade to protectionism. but you can't have both. US currency hegemony depends upon free trade policies, and protectionism kills both of those things. He is also trying to be protectionist, but still have a hostile foreign policy, see Venezuela. He seems to want the benefits of both isolationism and imperialism at the same time. But it doesn't work that way. He can't commit to a realistic strategy. He wants opposite things at the same time and is lashing out at his underlings when the fantasy results in his head don't happen. See his firing of the bureau of labor statistics chief for not producing the job numbers he wanted.
>>2531866>so america is showing a capacity for changethe american rullings class*, the normies are angry and calling Trump "chairman" and a socialist as an insult for doing stuff like this, they want Reagan back lol.
>>2531844The collapse is ongoing and is an issue far beyond internal electoralism, the ongoing rotting out continues either way, and there is little to do but hope you can eventually pick up enough support among the burning wreckage of millions of lives to try to make something of yourself. And, simultaneously, an issue you have even less control over, hope those in power but are external to the country are also too weak to properly take advantage of you to simply subjugate you again.
>>2531878No, people in the protests had signs calling him chairman
>>2531871I understand that. Not saying there aren't contradictions in the plan but the point is America realizes the status quo may no longer be tenable in the long run, and is preparing for a change of strategy to meet it. That requires a good understanding of what's going on geopolitically and how strong the empire is compared to China. On the flip side there is Europe that looks at the crisis of the last 30 years, shuts their ears and eyes in denial and entrenches bourgeois liberalism further
the entire argument against platner as a useful ally hinges on the assumption that he must be a spook, as many have said. I think that he's just a clumsy intense chud-coded self-described progressive. I think he's assertive and runs head-first (to a fault) and everyone here thinks that MUST mean he's a spook and not that… it's actually really easy to run for office in this country and get attention for it lol
And even if he WAS a spook, I think it's still good propaganda for the reforms that most of us want (unless you're an ultra on leftypol of course)
>>2531512>Trumpers are trying to shill cuomo lolThis is so frickin GAY (I'm not afraid to say it), he's not going to win, why not shill for Sliwa, at least he has a personality.
>>2531549Ryan Grim is right.
>>2531653This doesn't look credible. It looks like a newspaper but it was created in August?
>>2531843Fetterman was always a pro-Israel guy though. He never hid that, people just didn't pay attention because it wasn't on the agenda.
>>2531876Porky is really unhappy and that reflects on normies a bit, but on the whole I think the avg american is totally dialed away from that stuff, their brain shuts down as soon as any talk of the economy is brought up, their awareness doesn't extend anything beyond a price label at the grocery store
>>2531880I mean imperially, as in like… foreign policy wise, yes. We have less leverage. But voting for politicians based on what you want for domestic policy
doesn't effect that. The empire falls, but we can keep a roof over our heads at the same time.
Everyone assumes that revolution = civil war but that… not true? They're mutually inclusive but so many people think it's one circle it's so simple-minded
>>2531888>ryan grim is rightCorrect! It's called politics!
>>2531888>This is so frickin GAY (I'm not afraid to say it), he's not going to win, why not shill for Sliwa, at least he has a personality.they know a republican in NYC has no chance. so they shill for the democrat with republican characteristics.
>>2531885>I think he's assertive and runs head-first (to a fault) and everyone here thinks that MUST mean he's a spook and not that… it's actually really easy to run for office in this country and get attention for it lolThis came up the first time he was brought up, anons were like "he came out of nowhere this glows," but they don't have experience in politics. Some Democrats tried to recruit me to run for State House one time. (I would've lost badly in a no-hope district but if they were trying to get ME to run then anyone can run lmao)
voting is GAY
>>2531899Every time, every time. Each new generation must learn the hard way and have their spirits broken.
>>2531896like it's SO fucking easy to do politics in america. The only reason we don't we know palantir will dox us for the times we said the N word online and all our furry porn games we jerked off to with our webcams uncovered
>>2531885Having a totally-not-a-nazi endorsing your ideas ain't good propaganda at all. If anything, the longer they keep this guy on the ballot, the worse it reflects on progressives.
>>2531549>normal people>>2531888>Ryan Grim is right.see:
>>2531821<only 0.8% of the U.S. population has served in the Marine Corps. <Now whittle that down further, and ask how many marines have served 4 tours of duty specifically in imperialist wars against countries that didn't attack the US, and the percentage is much smaller, then whittle that down to what percentage of marines not only served said 4 tours of imperialist duty, but also got a job as a mercenary less than 10 years ago. Now consider that this guy also has nazi tats and is running for office and pretending to be lefitst.If this is your idea of "some skeletons int he closet" what would be a game breaker for you?
there are over 30,000 homeless veterans in the united states
the glowies in this thread are sweating
>>2531887Idk, but I think the dems will try to sell the idea that Trump is just a fluke again, and I think americans are too stupid to connect the dots and understand how capitalism and fascism are connected, and will simply vote for democrats again and they will be happy with anything that isnt MAGA. They dont even realize Trump is fascist, just "authoritarian".
The american people are beyond saving IMO, too many years of being carpet bombed by CIAslop and they are too fat.
>>2531907Idk bro It's sad but I think that if a significant portion of Americans can stand having a racist pedophile rapist as president, then some ex-mercenary and wannabe Nazi ain't that bad, even for so called "Marxists", as long as they push their meek reformist agendas while in office (maybe).
>>2531906no one thinks he's a nazi but you guys here, and random 17 year olds in anarkiddie discord servers within the depths of the groomer-verse
>>2531906also i hate when people are like "come one, he just has a dark past, he's trying to grow and be better and move to the left and you're shitting all over him"
he was a mercenary less than 10 years ago. if he really had a recent grinch moment where his heart grew 3 sizes he should start at the bottom canvasing for someone to his left, not running for office and demanding both forgiveness and votes (or else you're worse than him)
>>25319130.005% of the people living here huh
>>2531922finally the libs of the Daily Show giving screentime to other libs
>>2531922don't you mean that
>Fed Sims got a fedment on The Daily Fed feding about Fedran?
checkmate, spookanon heh heh…
(just kidding that segment was cheeky and I liked it)
>>2531921You accuse others of hyperbole but heavily downplay and whitewash this guy Platner's actions and anyone who finds them reprehensible as some kind of terminally online ultra/anarchist/groomer, etc. Even within the confines of electoralism, dude is a PR nightmare and it helps no one to die on the hill of defending him. I would rather put my efforts in Zohran.
>>2531926People really just uphold the fact they're shunned from polite society as some kind of virtue or purity (often 'cause said society is bad). This ain't even explicitly a Left thing. The Right thinks they're banned for being "brave truth speakers" and screaming "GAS THE JEWS" in a public space.
>>2531924overrepresented among the total homeless population
>>2531935Literally joined a war to commit murderwithout caring who he shot. After protesting it.
>>2531936Finally running out of arguments and passive aggressive smugness I see. Don't worry, you'll have another "progressive" candidate to put all your hopes on sooner than later. Hopefully this time they won't be a Nazi war criminal.
>>2531935@NormalAdultMarxist this your guy? lol
>>2531921to me the label "nazi" doesn't matter. the tattoo doesn't matter. what matters is
voluntarily serving in the marine corps
4 times in
invasions against countries that didn't attack him, then joining a
mercenary company less than 10 years ago which was/is ran by an evangelical reactionary maniac whose sister in law was in the trump admin as secretary of education… not only is this not a red flag, this is just "normie chud" stuff to you, just normie chud stuff that way less than 0.8% of the population does… and he's had a change of heart dontcha know? you have to forgive him and believe him. but he doesn't have to prove anything to you. He doesn't get to start at the bottom canvasing or or anything. No it's your duty to support him or you're worse than all the things he did combined. B
>JUST IN - U.S. national debt has surged past $38 trillion — Fortune
throw a party on its 40s. or else, it'll get a midlife crisis.
>>2531942this is what AJ Soprano tries to do in the Sorpanos season 6 lmfao. he starts of reading howard zinn and by the end of the show wants to stick it to the ayy rabs.
>>2531938wtf are you talking about?
>>2531946>it's your duty to support himI never said it was anyone's duty to support him. What I'm saying is that if you're thinking
politically at all, this is a no brainer. You're talking about politics like it isn't a sociopathic endeavor. Sorry bud! This is big boy shit! This asshole is a pretty good bet for you, it's just that he has a past of being a bloodthirsty mercenary. Can you stomach that for now? Most people can. Most people have the common sense to say "eh… whatever" because they live real lives.
If our political economy was more advanced, this guy wouldn't have a chance. But for now, until we get better candidates, we have to deal with retards like this.
>>2531944no you're just retarded sometimes and I skip your shitty points because I get tired of repeating myself
>>2531948His specific plan was joining the military so they teach him how to fly helicopters after his service ends he can become Donald Trump's pilot.
>>2531922oh so they only talked to Joe Sims to remove the 'communist' stigma from Ziohran. And you're happy Old Joe got a segment! Yay!
>>2531921he said he would fight in all American wars, starting with the Indian wars. He killed in Iraq 'for amusement'. Has an SS Totenkopf tattoo.
But I guess until he burns a Jew in a public square, he will not be recognised as a Nazi.
Felix was right. Y'all strasserites
>>2531959he's a pawn, dumbass. You might as well capture it
>>2531907>If this is your idea of "some skeletons int he closet" what would be a game breaker for you?Nothing is a deal breaker because 80% of the backers are Democrat NPCs who will never develop an opinion of their own.
And the rest of Platner's backers are much much worse. They are the cynical POS, what make the calculation that yes , PLatner is an OP and some sort of asset. So that means he is *allowed to give them the imperialist bribe*, he has the consent of the establishment to give some concessions. That is the price the glowies are willing to pay to get this particular man in this particular race, even if he doesn't win.
—
People like Hasan or Grim have the problem of being connected to the Dem propaganda apparatus, and probably received the call to propaganda. They followed orders and now, like the soldier at war, have to fight for survival, whatever they may think of their orders.
You have to remember that, as much as you may enjoy DropSite's coverage of Gaza, it still is a spinoff of The Intercept, funded with it's money and one of the founders Scahill is also there at the lead for DropSite. And they are still crossposting, which is to say, Dropsite is a leftier *front* for the journalism too hot for the Intercept.
And The Intercept is still billionaire press, whatever they say now, it was Pierre Omidyar's outlet and loves to propagate "pregressive " psyops like the FB "whistleblower" and basically anything coming from " International Consortium of Investigative Journalists" which seems to be the US glowie's answer to the vacuum left when they killed Wikileaks
>>2531960how are you capturing him, and you gonna do what with that pawn?
>>2531954you said serving in the marines (0.8% of the population) is "normie chud" shit, when he did it 4 times, voluntarily, against countries that didn't attack the USA, then joined a mercenary firm linked to the trump admin, less than a decade ago, and suddenly he has a change of heart, and don't worry about the tattoo, he just didn't know what it meant LOL, and instead of asking for forgiveness and starting at the bottom as a canvasser like actual working class people do when they join political movements, he starts at the top and demands votes and support, because lesser evilism I guess. They couldn't find someone better than this? This is a no brainer? Like I said I a million times to you as you ignored me over and over, I don't live in Maine, and I hope he wins so you can eat your Fell For It Again Award when he proves to be exactly what his life story shows him to be.
>>2531968can you fuck off, glowie? You always copy paste the same exact paragraph your handlers gave you it's so annoying.
>>2531959>oh so they only talked to Joe Sims to remove the 'communist' stigma from Ziohran. And you're happy Old Joe got a segment! Yay! Do normal people even know about, say, PSL, FRSO, RevCom, or whatever fringe Trotskyite micro-sect you'd uphold as "the one TRUE communist party amid the sea of fake ones".
Actually, are you even a member of a communist party at all? Do you do party work? If so, which?
'Cause the way I see it, this is just free advertising for us. Shit we grew a lot during the first Trump term, and now you've got him being even more crazy in the second and a semi-mainstream news org doing a silly little sit down interview. Shit, he even got a chance to push back on the narrative of Communists pushing for dictatorship and "muh 1984".
The way I see it this is plenty useful, far more than the repetition of radical sounding slogans solely to a crowd of other "true believers".
>>2531571He had that shit for over a decade and did 4 tours in the military FOR FUN.
He appologized nore for being edgy on reddit dawg.
It's like if you asked me would I rather be raped or killed, and yeah sure I'd prefer rape, but I damn know giving an answer will legitimize such ridiculous "ultimatum".
>>2531974this place fucking sucks. Why do we keep posting here?
>>2531972I repeat the same arguments because they're good and correct and get tired of you not answering and deflecting. You have no counter argument so you fed jacket and piss and moan. Like I said, I hope he wins so you can enjoy your fell for it again award. What's my real glowie motive here? To stop you from VOOTING? Vote away!
But you called it "Normie Chud" shit
How is doing something that less 0.8% of the population does "Normie Chud" shit? Especially doing it voluntarily, 4 times in a row, against countries that didn't attack the USA, and then on top of that having a nazi tattoo, and joining a mercenary firm less than 10 years ago? If he had a change of heart he should start at the bottom, not demand positions of power as a reward for pretending not to be a piece of shit for less than a decade after 2 straight decades of voluntarily serving directly as a useful idiot for imperialism.
This is the part where you don't read and spam glowie glowie glowie. I don't do this for you, I do this for others who might be dumb enough to be convinced by your non arguments.
>>2531922>Joe Sims got a segment on The Daily Show talking about Zohran.Nice
>>2531974>Do normal people even know about, say, PSL, FRSO, RevCom, or whatever fringe Trotskyite micro-sect you'd uphold as "the one TRUE communist party amid the sea of fake ones".Nope!
>>2531974>trotskyite oh you mean other retarded strasserites?
>we grew a lot yay!!! you have about 20k members secured for the democratic vote, well done, the Clinton Foundation will send you your 250$ coupons soon!
CPUSA is a rotting corpse,
even the schizo retards of the ACP will surpass your membership numbers in 7 years max >>2531969Don't be a coward, don't lie to the other Democrat NPCs either. You are voting a Nazi murderer (D) because you think it will be the better deal for you. It is that simple, I don't even care you want to vote the "lesser evil". By all means vote for your interests, I do.
I'm just annoyed at all the people trying to coat said Nazi murderer in left wing propaganda. Just tell it how it is and get your bag. Most USAnos agree with you on this. I don't get why you need to do all this song and dance about the salt-of-the-earth Nazoid MIC plant, when you could just say he's the lesser evil and only wants to murder non-americans and that'd be enough.
>>2531982because it will be the same "do you condemn Hamas/Hasan"
except now, Ziohran can hit back with "do you condemn Adolf Platner? >>2531986You said his career of imperialism is normie chud shit. How is it "normie chud" shit to serve 4 tours of duty in the marines, work for a mercenary firm, and have a nazi tattoo? Less than 0.8% of the population serve in the marines, let alone do it 4 times then work for mercenaries. That is not "normie." by any stretch of the imagination. They unearthed him saying he joined up to kill people on his reddit account. You say I am a fed and have no counter argument. You have no counter argument. You lack the stamina to even produce one, or the humility to admit it's not "normie chud" shit but "giga chud" shit, so you fedjacket and violate rule 11.
>>2531996>schizo babble no one would ever understand outside of this websitemhm yeah. That's politics alright!
Putin needs to denazify the US.
>>2531980Eh, every leftist space sucks. You got reddit but then they ban you for saying "stupid" or coalesce around worship of a podcaster as though his words were gospel. I'm sure you got forums that look like something out of geocities where the conversation on Marxist theory has been going on for so long that's become an impenetrable kind of self-reinforcing mental masturbation where they're probably talking more about Hegel now than Marx or Lenin or any kind of practical work. Or maybe discord servers that fall apart when one of the mods gets caught sending sexually aggressive PMs to the women in the group and ends with him writing some twenty paragraph apology where he talks about the "trauma from his childhood" making him send a pic of his pecker to women.
Say what you will about this shithole, but its ours. It can be an annoying hellscape. Many of the people on here are mentally unwell, but its ours all the same.
>>2531995You ain't part of a Party. You take no positions and then ceaselessly criticize others, using the benefit of your own total lack of record or history to seem unassailable.
>>2531961>Actually we were just retarded all along! People died because we're retarded!!!Amazing this is a serious defense for these people.
>>2532009>mhm yeah. That's politics alright!Politics is when you spend your day volunteering for the the Democrat MIC plant.
>>2532017don't you understand he's just a normie salt of the earth chud. the average person does 4 tours of duty in the marine corps then goes to work for the mercenary firm owned by betsy devos's brother in law. just normie chud shit. he had a change of heart though. so you have to vote for him. even if you don't live in maine. or you're a fed
>>2532014Joe Sims is a fed and so are you
>>2532024ugly manboobs on this Adolf Platner guy
>>2531936you sure have a lot of childish dismissive non arguments for someone styling themselves "normal adult marxist"
Subnormal Manchild Marxist
MAGAtards must park their cars near Platner whenever he appears publicly and blast HH by Ye on speakers.
All my uyghas Heil Platner
>>2532024The hitlernationale…
>>2531783>>2532022Adult hood is realizing that our boy hemmingway is still less cringe that people who didn't just play pretend and took that shit seriously enough to kill people over spooks.
>>2532034just normie chud shit. 4 tours of duty. mercenary firm owned by betsy devos's brother in law. sudden change of heart. didn't start at the bottom but demands your forgiveness and votes and support so he can be your leader.
>>2532034that's the bloke Dems hyped to 'win over working class folx'… I think we owe Sakaii-san an apology.
>>2532034>On occasion we would moon or give the finger>>2532029he just like you fr
>>2532035I really do not understand the outrage about Platner. Truly, woke cancel culture has gone too far.
May he who never shoved an M4 up an Arab's ass throw the first stone on Platner.
>>2532014Joe Sims actually gives me more Xi Jinping vibes than anyone else on the American left. He's like a well-meaning uncle who says "communism is about spending more time with your family."
>>2532046Are you gonna piss your pants? Are you gonna cry?
>>2532048man you're really childish
>>2532048Breaking out the 14-year-old schoolyard insults?
>>2532048Normal American Marxist defending the dems to the bitter end, even if that entails defending a nazi and normalising Freikorps behaviour in third world countries.
The Real Iron Felix was right on everything >>2532049even the wehrmacht had the "i was drafted" excuse. this fucker did it 4 times on purpose, then became a soldier of fortune.
>>2532046here is what they did in fallujah
>>2532058just straight up social darwinism lmfao
>>2532041Yeah, he's done actual party work and has a personality. It feels like he's a person.
Meanwhile you chat to other leftists online and it feels like they read some old Maoist or Leninist text that's called something like "Repudiating the Reactionary, Biggle Schmigmorp" and then based their entire personality around being hyper-aggressive dicks that speak in some confusing mix of hyperbole and claiming objectivity.
I kind of joke about it the same way when I hear my buddy's nephew say some shit that sounds like incel talking points: "Hurr-durr, hey guys, did you know SCIENTIFICALLY its been proven Women are bitches?!" Like knock that shit off, you're obviously obsessed. Live in reality and not in the text.
>>2532048Actual manchild behavior lmao
>>2532058Nothing more socialist (DNC voter) than making excuses for some lumpen (marine core) assaulting the working class.
a Bolshevik had an affair with a party member and hounded her to suicide after it was revealed to all, he would've been kicked out of the party had Lenin not been his fiercest defender. I don't think some of you are prepared for revolution like Lenin was
>>2532024You know what? I still prefer chuds to be proud righwingers rather than social fascists.
Maybe it's because of Gaza that I've been more exposed to the "progressive" lingo to
excuse sponsor genocide. At least the average Z enjoyer doesn't try to tell me about the RF's secret communist agenda, or try to enlist me to shill for Putin for some sort of "self interest".
>>2532064I feel bad for Joe because he spent so much time and energy into CPUSA and we all know America is allergic to communism.
In a parallel universe, Joe Sims runs a mom-an-pop shop in Noo-York-Citeh and made bank. Probably married to a hot Italian milf as well
very funny how americans are outraged when told not to nominate nazis
>>2532076Yeah, a Bolshevik, which Adolf Platner is not.
>>2532083performance is all I care about. advancing socialism is all I care about. if he isn't useful he isn't useful, but he needs to be given a shot over the 84 year old corrupt lawyer
By the way going to thru platner post history he's extremely well read on history and knowledgeable about events all thru 20th century. There is a 0% chance he did not know what that tattoo was
>>2532087he's a sloppy ptsd riddle murderous retard but he can be our sloppy ptsd riddled murderous retard if we try
>>2532079There was a comrade that died a couple years ago that was tortured by a LatAm dictatorship IIRC (my memory is foggy on which one) before moving to the USA and joining CPUSA. There were old Comrades, we're talking ladies in their 90s, trying to distribute aid to their neighbors during covid.
To struggle for a better world, even if the struggle appears hopeless, isn't a life wasted. Its an act of courage. And y'know I've got a lot of respect for those older comrades who were Communists when being one meant taking more risk, having more skin in the game.
Maybe shit will collapse, maybe that collapse means opportunity, I really don't know. Some older Comrades have consigned themselves to the idea that they just laid a single brick on the long road to communism. Maybe we can lay two, or shit, even more than that.
What matters is knowing you tried. Even if you fail, you tried.
>>2532093lol I work in the south came to realize they have high expectations for service
>>2532090I have never seen a more obvious spook in my fucking life
>>2532101is killing fash bad now
>>2532101Meh, it's like kraut, innocous slurs in this context since those guys were fascist monsters during ww2
>>2532092You already have the retard position pigeonhole
>>2531982>>2531998Cuomo asked Mamdani twice why he won't support BDS against Uganda for a Ugandan politician being a homophobe.
>>2532076Yep, Jason Blaha here is definitely the strongest Bolshevik soldier. He's ready to die for the revolution (voting for the DNC)
>>2531830bro praised azov battalion in 2019 but supposedly didn't know what a totenkopf was before getting it permanently inked in his chest. CrItIcAl sUpPorT
>>2531668>>2531674I doubt Thiel himself made the decision to use the tattoo, but he probably allowed or offered the opp research Palatir services.
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