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>>2530639Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2532105>picSomeone should ask soyteens to 'jak him
>>2532110>Meh, it's like kraut, innocous slurs in this context since those guys were fascist monsters during ww2Germans and Japanese in WW2 have zero excuses, even though they were mostly drafted. Platner did it 4 times voluntarily then became a mercenary afterwards. What does that tell you?
>>2532114Not debating this, just pointing out the "jap" thing, this guy is clearly a unhinged fascist himself
post his communist comments if you're gonna take all these things seriously
Daily reminder to join a party, any party, and try to do good work in it. Shit, run for office as a real Socialist if you can.
In the last thread Normal Adult Marxist said he's just a
>normie chud
But consider: Does the average person serve 4 tours of duty in the marine corps and then become a mercenary afterwards? This isn't ancient history. He was a merc during Trump's 1st term. He's competing in the chud Olympics. now he wants to you to trust him as the voice of the anti war left.
If he's truly sorry for his past and wants to turn over a new leaf, why isn't he canvasing for someone who's been anti war their whole life? Why does he get to lead while people better than him follow? Ask yourself these questions. Go ahead and VOOT all you want for him. Enjoy your fell for it again award when he turns out to be something other than what he pretends to be.
Normal Adult Marxist will call me a fed for posting this
Jesus, tattoo is one thing, I mean who cares, the issue with nazis wasnt their aesthetics, military and merc work alaso can be justified by having to make a living, but these comments paint a picture of unstable chud who arrived towards leftist politics through randon misfirings of neurons.
>>2532120I would bet lile 5$ he's a "communist" because he admires the national strength of China, their industrial might and their racial purity or something of that nature
>>2532139that's what he gets for wanting yankees out of his country 😤😤😤😤
>>2532136>military and merc work alaso can be justified by having to make a livingcan it though
>>2532138Fascinating how many glowing connections he has, between his family, his work and his post history.
Americans and Israelis are the same people, both need to be dismantled
>>2532155this country doesn't have compulsory service so no. finland and the rest of europe must go first
>>2532146>Right here too he says many soldiers are middle class with many options and that they were not tricked into this because poorAnyone with two brain cells have noticed this but certain people on this board think that, quote:
>>2532136>military and merc work alaso can be justified by having to make a living"poverty is the draft" my ass. there's no reason to go bomb a country that didn't attack you to help the MIC's profits in exchange for crumbs that aren't even that good.
>>2532156>Our way of lifeHe was really smoking that neocon crack huh
>>2532158Fighting for the right to shoot each other, piss on public transport and shit in food stores
Superior way of life everybody
>>2532136>military and merc work alaso can be justified by having to make a livinglol
>>2532155TRVNUKE If your against a Zio-nazi state like Israel you have to be against USA as well. No exceptions.
>>2532162he will always be a gem
>>2532159>compulsory serviceburgers do it voluntarily and somehow this is better?
>>2532175yes its preferable for random normies to not have military combat experience to defend the state
>>2532176
yo Felix (or brethren of Felix), you should check out Normal Adult Marxist's posts about Platner in the previous thread
>>2532174oh yeah, it's us who glow, not the guy who did 4 tours of duty for the marines attacking countries that didn't attack America first, then worked as a mercenary during the first trump term, but now demand you forgive his past and let him be treated as a leader on the anti-war anti-oligarchy left, and have a position of power as a reward for his career of imperialism.
>>2532180he got shit on with good arguments and then crashed out and fedjacketed everyone who disagreed with him
>>2532185no you just all repeated the same shit over and over again so I stopped caring because none of you know what politics actually is
>>2532183glowies want corrupt lawyer Janet Mills to win. platner is an unsophisticated and socially stunted oyster farmer, someone glowies are interested keeping away from the democratic nominee
>>2532160kids brainwashed by nationalism in school and trough msm might not be aware that the country they are invading didn't attack first (like it would justify shit anyways, that's still chauvinist thinking btw)
>>2532186literally fascist to force someone into conscription especially during peacetime kys
>>2532188oh my god americans are really this blind
>>2532187I repeated myself because you never had a real response. You asserted that it was "normie chud" to serve 4 tours of duty in the marines and then become a mercenary during the first Trump administration. Marines aren't even 0.8% of the population, but somehow doing 4 tours of duty (a small percentage even among marines) and then becoming a mercenary (even smaller percentage) is "normie" chud to you. No matter how many times I said this you just cried and called me a fed. I told you go ahead and vote for him. You keep invoking how this is "just politics" but it's really not. In a nation of 380 million you have to go out of your way to find a guy like this, let alone position him as a leader among the working class anti war left.
>>2532194getting a sus drunk tattoo while on shore leave in a country that collaborated with the nazis isnt an uncommon story
>>2532188yk glowies infight too right? could easily be one group that wants to construct a compatible left of random socdems(and saving the democratic party as meaningful controlled opposition in the process) while the other is completely dedicated to maintaining neolib centrist hegemony over the DNC.
>>2532198>responded in less than 30 secondsyou didn't even read what I said. I invite everyone defending Platner to read what I said and tell me why I am wrong with direct quotes and responses.
>>2532194i will believe he is a fucking idiot. nevertheless, he is a baby murdering fucking idiot. so, to be honest, i think he should disappear from politics. but y'know, purity testing or w/e
>>2532194he knows a lot about history, he obviously knows what it is
stop being a sucker
>>2532170I was considering voting for Platner, until I heard he listens to Five Finger Death Punch. That's just going too far.
>>2532176That's just an article on their website, it's not like their "line," but what Political Affairs used to be. Also I like that article and it has some interesting ideas about socialist republicanism. It's not relevant but an interesting thing is the author is a former anarchist who served time in federal prison:
https://indypendent.org/2011/09/i-was-a-domestic-terrorist-tales-from-a-post-911-america/ >>2532200platner is running for senate in maine in 2026. are you stupid?
>>2532199ok doesn't change the fact that Democrats want Janet Mills to win just like they (and aipac) wanted Cuomo to win over Zohran, but didn't
>>2532174who fucking caaaaaares??? he is still an ex member and supporter of the worlds most evil military force
>>2532208>are you stupid?im not the electoralist on a communist imageboard LOL
this guy could probably skin some of you guys' moms alive in front of you while screaming "IM A FUCKING CIA NAZI HAHAHAHAHAHAH" and you guys would still say "hmmm yeah idk he seems like a normal dude i dont think he knows what the word nazi means" and then you would vote for him lol
>>2532188he's just a heckin oyster farmer who did 4 tours of duty as a marine then became a mercenary less than a decade ago. please. GO AHEAD AND VOTE FOR HIM IF YOU LIVE IN MAINE, see if I care. you're just mad that anyone is criticizing him and can't conceive of such a thing as anything less than a glowie campaign. you really mean to tell me they couldn't find a working class guy in maine without nazi tattoos and a past as a mercenary to run against Janet Mills?
>>2532207He glows but not special by itself though, I loved doing black bloc stuff during violent protests and riots, hurting and pushing back cops, barricading streets, setting fires, I liked the tactics and the violent contest. I'm sure a lot of comrades had the same experience, the fact that our cause is actually good isn't what made it enjoyable, I get why some people enjoy combat.
>>2532219did I say I was an electoralist. i just answered your dumb question why people are talking about him.
>>2532187>>2532196It really is "just politics", alright. Bourgeois, opportunistic and collaborationist politics trying to pass off as cold pragmatism, that is. This sort of CUCKery and capitulation to the powers that be has never led leftists anywhere except to the execution chambers.
>>2532220So what should we advise people in Maine to do then? Go for Mills? Let Collins stay in and continue to rape ME? It's a no-win situation.
looks like zohran lost the debate
So with foodstamps apparently being halted in November, what do anons think the consequences will be? I've noticed over time more and more of my customers use it. Younger folks, too.
I don't imagine this is gonna be good for anyone. Lot of people are going to feel the sting.
>>2532222>you really mean to tell me they couldn't find a working class guy in maine without nazi tattoos and a past as a mercenary to run against Janet Mills?yes that's what I'm telling you. the bar really is that low, but unfortunately american socialists find it's more ideologically comforting not to make the compromises needed to succeed in the political arena
>>2532231The conditions for revolution ripen, inshallah we shall be victorious
>>2532231I'm sure the geocery stores will increase their mark ups to compensate the loss of the poor clientele, the shareholders will be okay don't worry
>>2532231I hope it's breadlines. I hope people lost faith in the system. I need people to shake off false consciousness. The people should get a wake up call
>>2532209is the second clique of glowies I described not what your referring too?
>>2532209certified harry s truman moment
>>2532227The sheep criticize the sheepdog not knowing he keeps the wolves at bay…
>>2532226To start creating support communities among themselves and organize because you are alone. You are right, its a no-win situation.
>>2532226they should all vote for platner and then learn what happens when you vote for an "anti establishment" guy with a career full of imperialist collaboration. i seriously mean that. do it. see what happens. enjoy the fell for it again award.
>>2532236>>2532245There needs to be a potent alternative presented or else all that deprivation just turns to despair.
>>2532239I mean TJs is privately owned, which means for better or worse the company operates with less input from “muh shareholders”, what I’m worried about are the people. It’s hard enough for most these days, get rid of food stamps and some folks will be put in an extremely precarious position.
>>2532246there are no rival factions in the DNC favoring different candidates there's no evidence of that
>>2532256>VOTE or else all that deprivation just turns to despairlol go outside
>>2532248>I'm supposed to believe they couldn't find any working class guys in Maine to run against Janet Mills besides this guy.That's not it. It's about finding someone who's 1. acceptable within the Overton Window; 2. who has the potential to drum enough support that they actually good win; 3. isn't corrupt. That's a lot to ask of most humans in the current situation of our planet.
>>2532257I would agree and think that cultivating a compatible left of socdems would be more of intelligence community undertaking than something coming out of the upper echelons of the DNC. I don't see a reason for them magically stopping that practice in the 20th century.
>>2532256>despairdespair is already here. what people need to realize is the system failed them. food shortages are a great way to do that. doesn't matter if there are no alternatives or not. the Russian people lost faith in the Tsar when his soldiers started shooting into crowds with simple demands
>>2532261Aren't we supposed to be using electoral politics to push the masses
>>2532253Hard pill to swallow for the hazbin hotels but Americans need to riot and strike and block stuff even if it's allegedly what the government wants.
>>2532261>That's a lot to ask of most humans in the current situation of our planet.you mean politicians, dumb moralfag
>>2532267Yes, but electoral victories and the means to achieve them don't just fall out of the sky. Same with a more violent revolution.
>>2532269I mean "political candidates" in general, not just the already/previously elected.
>>2532255man I wish this fucking piece of shit went to ukraine
>>2532274The point wasn't "victories" you immense retard.
>>2532275hitler wasnt socialist
>>2532278Wasting time, money, and energy putting forward a candidate that has no chance of winning isn't "politics", it's just ego stroking.
>>2532280Doesn't matter. His rhetoric was and this was his mentality.
>>2532285Marx's own position was to always run candidates because it constantly gets your position out and to to serve as a thermometer of poular sentiment
>>2532235Platner does NOT represent socialist interests of any kind, except maybe National Socialist ones. The thing with realpolitik is that you have to make ideological concessions to eventually get what you want but unironically what does Platner offer other than being another Fetterman (insane Zionist barely distinguishable from a Republican) at best?
One day, a bunch of "young" Republicans are outed as Hitler worshippers.
The next, an up-and-coming Democrat is revealed to have a SS tattoo.
The absolute state of America. How was it that an anon said? Communism has been normalized but not incorporated, fascism has been incorporated but not normalized.
>>2532287>engaged in blatant malicious acts to interfere with the free political process of our western democracySounds like two interns from the Atlantic Council dressed in a trenchcoat. Do they teach this in the army?
>>2532286his mentality was to get socialists elected at all costs?
>>2532294>what does Platner offer being a 41 year old senator in a senate where the avg age is 75
>>2532280neither is platner. catching on, yet?
>>2532305Ok fair enough you got me, he cared about getting into power not getting elected.
>>2532305>being a 41 year old senator in a senate where the avg age is 75so you want to reform the imperialist institutions by injecting them with younger imperialists who actually have fresh blood on their swords
>>2532305>being a 41 year old senator in a senate where the avg age is 75What? What does that matter?
>>2532308old people are communisms greatest enemy, it's that shrimple
>>2532261>That's not it. It's about finding someone who's 1. acceptable within the Overton Window; so in order to be acceptable in the overton window they couldn't have found a working class guy with no military history? That's literally most working class people. Only 7% join the military, and only 0.8% join the marines. You don't need a guy who did 4 tours of duty in countries that didn't attack america and then went on to be a mercenary in order to satisfy "muh overton window" (which is mostly lib political science astrology btw)
you know graham platner's reddit posts have a lot of obscure military history factoids in them for a guy who supposedly had no idea what a totenkopf was before getting it permanently inked on his chest
fellas we live in an empire with a decline population and birthrates, the population pyramid is skewed to always give old people an advantage over the young in voting because there's simply more of them. they're holding young peoples future hostage as the retirement scheme is funded by young people and totally reliant on young people having kids, which they aren't. the geriatric elitist bourgeois are communists greatest roadblock, this applies even moreso to europe
>>2532287>protecting liberal western democracy>from authoritarianismtell me, in what world did he post something communist, as the right-wing media said?
because this is the highest level of centrist democrat there is.
>>2532317If old geezers are a roadblock for communism then wannabe Nazi ex-military and ex-mercenary personnel are a fucking giant and endless pit on the road.
>TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CONSIDERING PLAN TO RESTRICT GLOBALLY PRODUCED EXPORTS TO CHINA MADE WITH OR CONTAINING U.S. SOFTWARE, SOURCES SAY
guy is brewing something awful, lawl.
>>2532298people are pretending this guy is some kind of smedley butler figure who did a 180 but he clearly isn't
>>2532314Collins already has a massive advantage by being an incumbent. Like it or not, being a veteran gives you a bigger profile to normies, especially in Maine, one of the most rural states in the US and especially vulnerable to MAGA brainwashing.
https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/reelection-rates >>2532328seriously, old people are a way bigger percent of the population than marine/mercenaries but I'm supposed to believe they could find nobody else to run as the demoncrap candidate in maine
>>2532328when the st Petersburg army garrison approached the communists with a list of grievances they wished to be aired in the Duma, they were not turned away
this platner guy is a fucking psycho wtf
>>2532302Crazy how that doesn't say "if you can't win don't bother"
>>2532334there's being a vet, and then there's actively doing 4 tours of duty in the marine corps in countries that didn't attack you first, and then becoming a mercenary during trump's first term. this isn't a typical military career. But you still haven't convinced me that you need to be a vet to win when workers are a way bigger percent of the population than vet. they could've picked a random non-military worker with no nazi tats off the streets and people would be even more enthusiastic.
>>2532330Idk how some people have literally no BS detector. Both him and Fetterman from the start made me think of the Buscemi meme but with "leftist" instead of "kids". Only one of these Burgerkorps that got past me for a minute was Tulsi.
>>2532340and look how many people ITT defend him and call you a glowie if you criticize him, even if you say "go ahead and vote for him, see if i care"
They want unconditional support with zero criticism for a candidate running in a bourgeois party. Apparently criticism whatsoever is "glowie" now.
>>2532350>Only one of these Burgerkorps that got past me for a minute was Tulsi.fell for her because she's hot award
>>2532327>18 hours agowhen were these convenient screenshots taken?
>>2532336pic related
>>2532301> Communism has been normalizedhas it? you are treated as a genocide apologist for being communist in the US, and we are not at the point where 1/4 of people aged 18-29 in the USA deny the holocaust… and I doubt that's just to be contrarian against Israel or whatever
>>2532352Mid looking at the most honestly
>>2532352It's probably because she's sympathetic to russia, ziggers and larouchites can really ignore glowies and fascists if they aline on two or three geopolitical issues
>>2532339The tsarist army is not the same as the AmeriKKKan one of today. The former actually had grievances from being used as as cannon fodder during WWI, hated the Romanovs and many officials turned to the Bolshevik cause. Most AmeriKKKan personnel today either active or veteran are still extremely loyal and content with the regime and desire nothing other than maybe more gibs.
I don't outright reject the idea of the AmeriKKKan army possibly being essential for an eventual revolution but as of right now the conditions for them turning to our side just aren't there.
>>2532302>The workers' party must never be the tagtail of any bourgeois party; it must be independent and have its goal and its own policy.Either you ignored this part or you think the DNC is a worker's party. I don't know what is more embarrassing.
>>2532369pure moralism. they were both empires. the soldiers let hundreds of pogroms against Jews happen with no issue. Americans are not special, shut the fuck up
>>2532339being a bunch of
drafted WW1 vet who comes to the communists with a list of grievances is different than being an american who
volunteered to do 4 tours of duty in highly asymmetrical imperialist occupations and then went on to be a mercenary, and is now asking for support from the working class to get elected to a position in the bourgeois government under a bourgeois party ticket. Those are two way different things. Do you think this comparison is valid at all?
>>2532372platner stinks and voting for him is fascist, eat shit
>>2532344Because this isn't a candidate running in a proletarian party (which we lack), it's a candidate running in a bourgeois party. So the conditions are different. We're only holding our nose for someone if they can push through some gibs that keep people from suffering in the short term. If you can't win and therefore can't implement them, what's the point?
>>2532346Never said a non-vet "couldn't" win, but the odds are even further against them. Consider that several "non-vet workers" have already declared their candidacy, most of which no one has ever even heard of. Why don't they make the news? Simple: they're so low-profile as to be unmarketable. It's a fucked up truth, but it's the case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_election_in_Maine#Candidates_2 if we're really gonna compare empire dead body counts and cruelty over a long timespan the british empire outlcasses everyone by a wide margin
>>2532376Ya I'm not a Maine citizen, but this an easy write my name in kinda of election if I was.
>>2532376does not justify voting for platner.
>>2532372you're confused. the black hundreds were doing pogroms. the average Russian soldier in WW1 was a drafted peasant, who got sent to die in a trench, not someone who "let pograms against Jews happen with no issue."
Platner VOLUNTEERED, i.e. was not DRAFTED, to serve 4 tours of duty in an an all-volunteer imperialist military, doing asymmetrical warfare against a civilian population. he was not drafted and then thrown into a trench to get gassed like WW1 soldiers were. Being a US occupation soldier in Iraq (who then went on to be mercenary) in the 21st century is a completely different situation than being a WW1 draftee fighting against a near-peer adversary with the same technology and weapons as you. It's night and day. You flatten the real material differences into a vague ideological soup. It's all the same maaaaaaaaaaan.
>>2532372It's not moralism, just simple cause and effect. Lots of members of the tsarist army hated the Romanovs, thus they became allies of the Bolsheviks in the revolution.
Today, most AmeriKKKan army personnel are extremely loyal to the SState and thus there's no need for any mutiny. If the conditions change, I'll be the first to urge recruitment of disgruntled ex-military types but we just ain't at that moment yet.
>>2532357>>2532327>>2532366>>2532336basically, in 2021 he was trippin balls hard, close to get an epiphany, but he hasn't erased the nazi tattoo, yet.
it seems to me that the ayahuasca was less spiritual voyage, and more history channel's nazi week.
>>2532384what a relief. it's MERELY 1/5.
>>2532376>>2532376>Because this isn't a candidate running in a proletarian party (which we lack), it's a candidate running in a bourgeois party. So the conditions are different. So your
JOBAs a
supposed socialist
Is to
MAKE ONEYou are LITERALLY JUSY SAYING THAT THINGS ARENLT GOOD ENOUGH SO YOU WON'T FOLLOW THEORY
LITERAL NAZI WORSHIPING SCUM SUCKER
MARX IS TELLING YOU TO MAKE A WORKER'S PARTY AND RUN CANDIDATES IN IT NOT JUST WAIT FOR ONE TO DROP FROM HEAVEN PRE-FORMED FOR YOU, YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER >>2532366assuming this is not BS, he should be canvasing for a working class candidate who's had their head screwed on straight all along, not positioning himself over people who've been doing this a lot longer than him
>>2532393of fucking course.
>>2532400noooo i'm a nazi worshipper because i didn't spawn a worker's party out of thin air, how foolish of me
Why don't you make one and assassinate me with your Red Army cadre, then?
>demsucs seethe and rail against the stalin quoute "social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism", think that tankies are the fascists
>demsucs proceed to die on the hill of rationalizing a blackwater merc with nazi tatoos, SPRINTING to the right on imperialism before they have an ounce of political power
that's basically all everyone needs to know about demsucs if they keep hugging platner, they will have comprehensively proven that the left wing does not need to include them if this is how they are going to be. we are fundamentally not trying to accomplish the same things, clearly.
>>2532406the PSL are running senate candidates in more than one state, why not support them over platner?
>>2532376There is no SHORT TERM YOU FUCKING RETARD BECAUSE THIS SITUATION WILL JUST KEEP HAPPENING
AT NO POINT DO YOU EVER GET OUT OF TJE POSITION WHERE YOUR BITCH ASS CAN KEEP WHINING ABOUT HOW "I JUST NEED ENOUGH GIBS FOR RITE NOW :CCCCCCC"
YOU actual fucking LITERAL ANTICOMMUNIST
>>2532235>yes that's what I'm telling you. the bar really is that lowyou have to go out of your way to run a marine (0.8% of the population) with nazi tattoos and a recent past as a mercenary. they literally could have picked a random worker off the street and it would be a better candidate. You really think americans won't vote for a worker unless he's also a marine mercenary with nazi tattoos? And that unconditionally and uncritically supporting him as a democrat candidate somehow furthers our cause? You're blind, brotha
>>2532412WOAH i've never heard that one before
remind me how russia ended up that way
>>2532406That is YOUR JOB
YOU ARE OUTRIGHT ADMITTING YOU'RE JUST ABANDONING STEP 1
WHY DO YOU WAMT TO GETINVOLVED IN ELECTORALOSM IF YOU ARENLT GOING TO DO THE STEPS YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THERE?
OH RIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING BOURGEOIS SOCIALIST ANTI-COMMUNIST
The CPUSA is fascist.
>>2532412Huuuh but who cares about some skeletons in the closet haha
>>2532416Russian nationalists?
>>2532421mmhmm and who poured billions of dollars into destroying the soviet union and putting right wing nationalists in power in both Ukraine and Russia? NATO!!!
>>2532416Almost like both UKKKraine and RuSSia are both bourgeois shitholes fighting each other over the last remnants of what the brave Soviet people fought so hard to get, despite any ideological justification they might give be either "democracy and self-defense" or "de-nazification".
>>2532425 Denazification of ukraine is socially and historically necessary
>>2532423The right wing nationalists are still in place and in charge of both countries though. Any "opposition" to NATO is ultimately symbolical if there's no actual communist and anti-imperialist cause leading it.
>>2532426It is but RuSSia and CUCKtin aren't going to actually do said de-nazification because they're Nazis themselves.
>>2532414>>2532417>There is no SHORT TERMEven the most meager gibs we have are already being rolled back. And the situation was already dire even before this. That's what I mean.
>WHY DO YOU WAMT TO GETINVOLVED IN ELECTORALOSM IF YOU ARENLT GOING TO DO THE STEPS YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THERE?These are two separate types of electoralism. I'm not saying we shouldn't build a revolutionary party. I'm just explaining why, in the context of this specific bourgeois primary, we have no good choice, because it's between two fascist-adjacents who will go on to face another fascist-adjacent.
>>2532425Man I'm glad Deng saved China from suffering the same fate and now is cucking the Burger Reich out of rare earths
>>2532425>Almost like both UKKKraine and RuSSia are both bourgeois shitholeswith the added caveat that NATO is intervening because they see neither of these countries as reactionary enough. their goal is to make it even worse. The collapse of the USSR wasn't enough for them. They had to spend 30 years expanding eastward despite promises made to gorbachev, waging proxy wars against russia, and using the CIA to arm and train neo nazis in ukraine. you deliberately omit this context to make it into "just a bunch of slavic bumpkins in a shithole shooting at each other for no reason teeheehee!" as if this wasn't actively instigated with years of planning put into it.
>>2532432All you've said is the moment you get your treats you aren't even going to pretend with this shit anymore.
>>2532430The CIA literally couped Ukraine in 2014 and put Poroshenko in power while also arming and training the furthest right wing territorial defense units. That means nothing to you that the USA instigates regional wars so it can plunder the ashes afterwards? You actively flatten the historical context leading up to the war.
>>2532433China also cucked out to capitalism and the West but unlike the USSR, it was more of a de facto than de jure thing.
I will say tho that life for the average Chinese citizen is FAR better than life for the average post-Soviet citizen so clearly if your going to liberalize and abandon communism at least do it under dirigisme bureaucracy than SShock doKKKtrine on steroids.
>Ray Dalio has said that there is a possibility of "a civil war" emerging in the US due to "irreconcilable differences," per BI
>>2532443>China also cucked out to capitalism and the Westfalse nuke but you already know this
>>2532435All I've said is capitalism is evil and must be destroyed but we also must minimize innocent casualties from said capitalism along the way.
>>2532443Because Gorbachev had already become a socdem by that point, so he basically stopped giving a shit beyond "liberalism good". Deng wanted to maintain authoritarianism along with his capitalism so he had to give more gibs.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09668136.2012.759713 >>2532437>>2532434You're right and I do agree that NATO ultimately started the aggressions first but quite frankly this is just nationalist intrigue. Of fucking course the WeSSt ain't gonna play fair and respect Russia's sphere of influence in the ex-Soviet territory. Doesn't mean communists have to side with the Putinists either.
>>2532413Unironically you know any PSL senate candidates running in California? I'd try to volunteer for them if possible. I got nothing personal against the PSL and I figure if a real Socialist is running it'd be just right to support them.
>>2532450>we also must minimize innocent casualties from said capitalism along the way.therefore critically support a mercenary who went to abu ghraib. we just couldn't find a better guy to run. it was impossible. iterally everyone in maine is like that. sorry
>>2532453I never said that. I said the alternatives are extremely low profile and therefore even less likely to win than him (since I couldn't even name them until I specifically looked them up) because Maine is extremely rural and has a lot of MAGAts.
>>2532452I've heard some pretty bad things about PSL's internals ngl
>>2532455he's loomering out
>>2532456MaoAnon had interesting critique back in the day based off their personal experiences that was basically that the PSL uses foco style organization without actually doing the kind of illegal shit that warrants such a structure. This then creates a situation where leadership is both out of touch and unaccountable to the base of each local chapter. paraphrasing here and its still kinda e-gossip so take it with a grain of salt I suppose.
>>2532459>foco style organizationexplain what this means
>>2532462https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FocoI missed the post comparing that to the PSL's internal structure which is an interesting take.
>>2532462probably this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foco>>2532459Yeah the more I read about them the more sus them seem but idk. They might do decent work on the ground so associating with them is one thing but joining is another.
https://rosegardendsa.substack.com/p/psl-is-a-high-control-group-with Who even cares about what goes on in maine anyway? am i wrong to think nobody will ever think of this guy again after the election? At least New York like that mandamni guy is a big popular city heavily referenced in media and etc. what happens in main apart from oysters?
>>2532261> It's about finding someone who's 1. acceptable within the Overton WindowYou know anon, maybe you're right. This is an overtly fascist country now so Democrats have to run veterans with nazi tattoos.
>>2532464>>2532466Oh so it's just the LatAm word for a cadre or cell?
>>2532467Because Collins is a subhuman and in this fucked up bicameral (read: quasi-aristocratic) system senators have disproportionate power since there are always only 2 to a state.
>>2532456>I've heard some pretty bad things about PSL's internals nglWorse than having a bloodthirsty blackwater merc with nazi tattoos as a candidate?
>>2532467>am i wrong to think nobody will ever think of this guy again after the electionThat seat has been held by Republicans since the 90s. Even if he somehow makes it past the primary, he's not gonna win unless being a nazi is more popular than being a moderate Republican incumbent. The amount of spectacle around this is insane. Is it just the absurdity of a Nazi merc self-proclaimed Communist running as a democrat or is there something they're trying to bury in the news cycle? Personally I think it's part of the total demoralization campaign by way of news overload.
>>2532472No it's different. (There's another word in Spanish for cadre… *looks it up* … it's
cuadro.) Foco has a different organizational logic from ML cadres because it's based around small guerrilla bands operating deep inna woods. Foco literally means "focus" but it can mean, like, nucleus. It's also wrapped up in a vitalist ethic where armed struggle precedes mass work whereas a lot of ML stuff is the other way around. (But the PSL doesn't do guerrilla warfare.)
>ICE expects non-LEO recruits to recruits do 15 push-ups, 32 sit-ups, and run 1.5 miles in 14 minutes
that bar is lower than the Earth's core kek
>>2532467Zohran has already betrayed us. A mayor cant really do anything but Planter is the only socialist to run for senate. A fascist republican would be worse so Planter is our best shot for healthcare
>>2532496> our best shot for healthcareI'd reckon our best shot at healthcare is a bunch of crisises and uptick in militancy of the working class than any single politician since the New Deal,Civil rights reforms and great society programs were all made by a ruling class scared enough to grant concessions.
>>2532496The other candidate must be REALLY fucking bad if you're still willing to support Platner after all this.
>>2532496>Planter is the only socialist to run for senate. A fascist republican would be worse so Planter is our best shot for healthcareI refuse to believe an actual sentient being typed this
Let's talk risk tolerance, and the stakes of the game being played. The footage continues to tell the story of a capitalist regime waging a war agains the people. We've all seen it. Chicago, LA, New Orleans, Memphis, city after city filled with soldiers, both National Guard and their modern gestapo counterparts ICE. It's always working class people being tackled by ICE, being tear gassed by the National Guard, being kidnapped and taken to what can only be described as concentration camps. Perhaps death camps, given that 1200 people are still missing from Alligator Alctraz. These are the stakes. The goal of the capitalist is simple: Break solidarity by reinforcing racial heirarchy in order to maintain control over the land within the borders of this country. It's not and has never been about offering a solution to the poverty, homelessness, lack of healthcare, education access, and other negative outcomes that continue to appear more and more within our society, the capitalist cannot offer us this, but they can offer us violence to reinforce our position as the peon, the wage slave, the body to hold the debt which enriches them.
There is no social contract on offer beyond "accept your place as a wage slave, or the jackboots of the state will take you and your family too." Inflation runs rampant. Wages are suppressed. Men, women and children alike roam the street, unclothed, unhoused, hungry for a fair shake. Only a new program, a new contract can offer this. This contract has yet to be written, and yet the war against the people continues to be waged. This is where we stand, and this is what we must internalize.
Therein lies the discussion of risk tolerance, as the empire continues to contract, continues to lash out against the people who reside within the walls of the prison house of nations that is America, we the people will find ourselves on the blunt end of the beating stick, and that means some of us will be tasked with taking greater risks. What are these risks, and who should be taking them?
Within the community, there will be people with access to greater resources than other people. This is the nature of the game. One member of the community might be unemployed, living in a spare bedroom, and another might be paying the rent on that spare bedroom, making a solid salary. In this scenerio, which member of the community should be have the higher risk tolerance? The person in the spare bedroom, simply by the nature of whatever it is that requires this person to take risk, can be supported by the person with the resources. You want to post bail? What about if you need money on your JPay? Let's be completely real, if you put your body inbetween an ICE agent and someone being abducted, you're probably going to see a charge to your name, might be a catch and release, might be worse. Can't be that person if you're also the person paying for people's food, if it's your apartment the crew is living in. This is the reality, the risks are absolutely real. The risks will continue to escalate as we organize to forge the new social contract.
As we organize within our communities, we need to be developing plans that factor in the risk tolerance of those within the community. Any plan is better than no plan. You don't know how your fight or flight response will handle something like this. Let's be real, war waged on our streets is new territory, but is it? Communities of color have had the boot of the state on their neck as long as the state has existed to extract resources from this land to benefit the capitalist. This means there's history, and lessons to be learned, and let's keep it a buck: If you have privilege within the existing regime, that privilege should give you a higher risk tolerance. A beautiful blonde woman is going to face less immediate repression and secondary effects from the action therein that requires the risk to be taken, in comparison to a black man, this is the reality of the racial heirarchy created by the capitalist class – weaponize this against them. Peoples whom are considered (in the broad sense) 'white' within the current regime have to understand that communities of color have been at the front lines for hundreds of years – perhaps it is time for reinforcements to actually give the material support needed to win this struggle.
Things are progressing faster than expected, yet our organizational capacities have yet to accelerate to match the downward spiral, this is something we must correct. Risk tolerance is only one small aspect of this. If you aren't willing to deal with the police slamming the table, tossing the food, and arresting those serving their communities face to face, maybe you should be in the kitchen cooking the food instead. We all have a role to play in these times, if we all play our role, we can not only survive this war but win it.
>>2532496This. Despite Platner's totenkopf and past reddit comments, his socialist platform combined with his anti-zionist stance IN THE NOW necessitates critical support. He is objectively the best candidate in that election and no spectacle will change that, unless people here think that a corrupt career Republican would be the superior option, someone who contravenes the working class at every turn.
Do (You) want the material conditions of the working class to genuinely improve, or do (You) just want the proles to suffer?
>>2532516Platner is not a socialist
https://x.com/AnaKasparian/status/1980352151026270326
>A woman sicced her dog at me this morning as I was walking my dog. When I asked what was going on she regurgitated lies propagated by an ongoing propaganda campaign carried out by @canarymission. I will be addressing what happened this morning (with video) on TYT. I'll also go over the videos that they incessantly clip out of context to form a false narrative about my character.I guess Kirk isn't the only one Israel has their sights on.
>>2532526Ye said all my uyghas heil planted
>>2532526based+felloutofacoconuttreepilled
>>2532516what proles are you talking about?
>>2532478>is there something they're trying to bury in the news cycle? Personally I think it's part of the total demoralization campaign by way of news overload.Could be you know the potential war on Venezuela.
>>2532526I swear to god I'm convinced the bullshit term "people of color" is a liberal psyop to avoid having to admit that they're still racists who believe in the one drop rule
if platner was a banana he'd be plataner
>>2532525Maine… what is it planning?
>>2532525canada should just annex all that
>>2532525I've heard ppl call it the texas of new england
>>2532518not a good comparison
fuuuuck all this talk of maine has me hungry for a lobster roll
das it maine
>*TRUMP ADMIN IN TALKS FOR STAKES IN QUANTUM-COMPUTING COS: WSJ *IONQ, RIGETTI, D-WAVE IN TALKS FOR GOVT. TAKING STAKES: WSJ
the nationalisation will continue until morale improves
>>2532562it's hilarious he's still that high
>>2532562Call him Graham Shatner cause the boy shit the bed
>>2532562another win for Israel
burgers are so gullible
>>2532562>zionist takes the leadHasbara won.
Good job promoting this retards.
>>2532499We can have healthcare like other Socialist countries, like germany and the netherlands. Their social democrats were built by generations of crises like we americans suffer. We americans suffer from all crises. healthcare crisis. Cost of living crisis. Housing crisis so we need to support socialists
>>2532501If we voted kamala, then we would be better off. Planter will help us. You are functionally a fascist republican when you slander socialists like Zohran and Planter over these phony purity tests.
>>2532508You are american socialist right? If so, then you will do whatever it takes to help american workers get socialist healthcare
>>2532580Literally who gives a shit? Platner would have 180'd on Israel as soon as he got into office like literally every DSA candidate ever.
>>2532496>Zohran has already betrayed us.Huh?
>>2532582Demoralization cope.
>>2532585He called hamas war criminals and apologized to the NYPD for calling them racist
>>2532586Take my reddit gold fine sir.
>>2532587you bought into that obvious lip service? embarrassing
>>2532588says the pseudo-namefag
>>2532456Ehhh I've heard things about the PSL I don't like, but if one of those Reds are willing to run for office then I should be willing to volunteer for them, right? Dunno if you wanna call it "Left-Unity" or "Solidarity", but I'm not so stubborn that I wouldn't take a rough kick in the ribs for an Anarchist, let alone a "Communist, but another flavor of Communist." If a PSL person runs and a CPUSA person doesn't, I'll vote for the PSL person.
So for real: does anyone know if there's a PSL candidate for senate in Cali?
>>2532599for senate? no, you'd have more luck finding a candidate you like at the more local level
>>2532556It's pretty funny to see racist Indians find out in real time that their idea of racism doesn't just plug-n-play with white supremacy.
>>2532562I still hope someone goes to Maine and [REDACTED] because it would send a message about what kind of politics are to be tolerated.
>>2532583We used to kill nazis
>>2532580maybe they shoulda ran somebody without a history of doing everything israel wants in the middle east
>>2532603You don't get it, you need to support our epic, wholesome anti-Zionist Blackwater senate candidate or you're not a real socialist.
>>2532516> necessitates critical support.i don't live in maine so i will criticize and you can do the support part if you really feel like it
>but his stancerinoa persona he made up in the past 5 years. he was working for blackwater in the first trump term. enjoy your fell for it again award if he wins.
>>2532608>anti-Zionistthe first term that comes to mind when someone spent 4 tours of duty in the middle east for the USA
>>2532620Yeah the US started enabling them after the war. We should have kept killing them.
>>2532511They think ai development is theurgy
If it kills everyone then its more like goetia
In reality its just marketing. Unless they hook skynet up to the drones and give it the nuclear codes then yeah it could kill everyone.
>>2532620not entirely accurate
>>2532606>We used to kill nazisperson who thinks the allies were against the nazis because they had the wrong set of morals
>>2532590>>2532586politicians always do what they say when they make campaign promises, espeically the "progressive" promises in the US. No politician ever lies. That's why there's a trope about politicians being very honest people.
>>2532626Assuming a lot based on a very short statement.
>>2532628its the usapol thread its nothing but retards still concerned with elections lol
truly if you can't trust a man who went to war literally just because he felt like enjoying murdering people for fun when he's doing a self-serving election campaign that would make him immensely rich and powerful even if he only wins once, who can you trust!?
So we're all just trapped in this decaying Nazi empire on a dying planet, huh?
Marx probly had a totenkopf tat and he definitely said ninja
>>2532643You wouldnt be more likely to make a good prediction of an event if you were rewarded handsomely for being right and fined for being wrong?
>>2532646No you wouldn't? Even assuming the betters are passive observers, the betting market is an aggregate of people who are more interested in the outcome than people who are not. How many % of the betters live in Maine? 20%? 2%?
The former has biases that can be exploited as news cycles, astroturf and smear campaign, while the latter will usually stick to fundamentals. The betting market didn't know Zohran would win the primary for example. It is just a correlation for an online phenomena.
>>2532642Your purity testing only hurts american workers. Any socialist like Platner is better than a fascist republican. The ultras like you who force these purity tests upon leftists caused trump
>>2532654no tripcode = fake CPUSA Anon
the message is the same though
>>2532651Polymarket is currently 91% accurate (within 1 month of an event). If i was a statistician who knows politics i would be making bank off that shit. Certain bets are going to attract people capable of making educated guesses about an outcome since it would be idiotic to bet on something you know nothing about.
>>2532661>91% accurate (within 1 month of an event)<(within 1 month of an event)Yea anyone can tell you the outcome of a race/game when it is just about to end too.
>since it would be idiotic to bet on something you know nothing about.OH COME ON! The whole betting industry is built on idiots betting on things they don't know about. You think the horse racing betters ever ridden a horse?
>>2532665Tbh i dont know everything about the platform. I dont use it. And yes there are plenty of idiot gamblers out there. Where do you think the winners get their money?
>>2532665Oh and btw they are holding info on platner to use last minute so he has minimal time for damage control which is very good at
>>2532671>Where do you think the winners get their money?The winners are the bookies, you fucking moron. They give rigged odds in their favour, and sometimes spread rumours to get betters to bet a certain way. This doesn't makes the betting market a stronger indicator of outcome than say the polling industry.
God it is like I am talking to a child who never heard of FIFA betting industry and the underground betting rings.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/haywood-b/1911/02/pointers.html AGREEMENTS with capitalists are the death warrants of labor.
There can be no closed shop as long as the boss has the keys.
There is no chivalry in the work shop. Capitalism compels sex equality.
Every new invention of machinery makes the journeyman of today the apprentice of tomorrow.
Trade unionists keep men out of the union and then wonder why the Manufacturers’ Association can get scabs.
Labor organizations should be free to fight for their class interests at all times.
You recognize this fist as a fighting weapon. It is made up of five members, five organizations. They can all work independently when necessary but when called upon can become a united force.
Suppose one of them is tied up with an agreement – a white rag – for a year or more. What becomes of it? It will wither and decay. And what is true of this finger is true of a labor organization. It is useless to itself and stands in the way of its fellows.
An agreement between the capitalist class and the working class is an unholy alliance, and when entered into by any body of workingmen it removes them from their class and the class struggle and makes them auxiliaries of the enemy of labor.
When the soldier enlists he enters into an agreement to fight the battles of the capitalist class and shoot down his fellow workers. When the trade unionists sign an agreement with the capitalist class, they likewise enlist to furnish the soldiers with guns, with food and with clothing. They are the enlisted men behind the man behind the gun.
>>2532681Long run yes they make a profit. Just like vegas some people beat the house. Average joe probably loses money. As far as i know polymarket doesnt kick out people who win too much.
I havent pooped in three days and now my lower back hurts and I'm starting to get a feeling of needing to poo is it over for me? Will my ass implode?
>>2532692I'm just kinda pissed that all it takes is the most basic oppo research to make anyone to the Left of Hitler seem unelectable just reposting their reddit history.
Like it's obvious who this benefits but Leftists hate winning so…meh.
>>2532695This
Im vigelandpilled. What point is it trying to degroyper people when we dont let them into the fold when they can do good.
>>2532695well maybe dems coulda found a guy who didn't work for blackwater less than 10 years ago if they wanted to win
>>2532699Leftists didnt know. Dems are the ones who got the info. The guy got palantird. Probably bought all his data from advertizers to track down his reddit.
>>2532697>What point is it trying to degroyper people when we dont let them into the foldthere's a big difference between letting an ex-reactionary into your party to do entry level work and actually running him as a candidate for senate and demanding people vote for him. But I don't really believe this guy is an ex reactionary. He was working for blackwater in trump term 1.
>>2532700he worked for blackwater less than 10 years ago. you don't need "muh palantir" to figure that out. he volunteered 4 separate times to help kill people in countries that didn't attack us for oil. As recently as 4 years ago he was pissed about the 20 year occupation of afghanistan ending. maybe he fails to meet the bare minimum standard of being anti imperialist. and no, having a change of heart does not immediately entitle you to a position of power over others
Social Democrats are not only reactionary but more dangerous than overt fascists.
>>2532702Who else is running? Unless someone better shows up there isnt anyone. Brandon mills aint it.
>>2532621If you want moral outrage, Chomsky has good books on US imperialism.
>>2532697What good could Platner actually do?
i feel like him being a black water mercenary is somehow even worse than just being regular military, cause you just know mercs do the dirty work the regular military cant or wont do.
oh yeah, also nazi tattoo, lol
All troops are bastards and the only use we have for baby killers in our new world is digging their own graves.
Hope this helps
>>2532708Run on objectively good leftist policies?
If he follows through uncompromisingly that remains to be seen. As do any leaks on him that arent out yet that he literally cops to. He could be a liar but he hasnt so far. Maybe thats his whole game but thats a paranoid thought.
>>2532709>i feel like him being a black water mercenary is somehow even worse than just being regular militaryalso he wasn't regular military. he was marine corps. real psychos join the marine corps at a higher rate than other branches. it's well known. 7% of the US population joins the military at some point in their lives, but only 0.8% join the marine corp. now think of how psycho you have to be to not only join the marine corp, but do 4 tours of duty in 2 countries that didn't attack you, and then go on to work as a gun for hire for an evil corporation like blackwater. this guy was praising azov battalion on his reddit account in 2019 but supposedly didn't know what a totenkopf was until after he got it permanently inked on his body.
>>2532699Dems didn't find this guy. He's running to the Left of the Dems. The Dems support the 77 year old ZIonist.
>>2532697I think it basically signals to anyone with a "problematic" past or any remotely controversial views or unconventional work history that the Left doesn't want you. So rather than idk, be a Leftist because you support 90% of the Left's ideas, these people will just join the Republicans because you can get elected on that side without any kind of purity testing and have a stable political career regardless of your past. Hell if you run as a Republican having a Nazi tattoo and boasting about killing brown people is a plus.
>>2532701The blackwater shit is gross but again that's the same past as any ex-military would have. Being an ex-blackwater or an ex-marine or an ex-army is all the same: killing brown people. It's gross to us, but I don't think the American electorate cares about that and it's only relevant because the Dems are desperately trying to prevent being outflanked by the Left and throwing anything at the wall that might stick to sink this guy. If he were a Standard Democrat like Fetterman with a military history, no one would even bat an eye. Buttigieg also killed people in the middle east and no one even brought it up during his Presidential run. Because those people weren't a threat to the Dems.
>>2532702>maybe he fails to meet the bare minimum standard of being anti imperialist.Do you think being an anti-imperialist is actually the standard for being a Democrat? Because it isn't. This guy isn't running for a position in the politburo. He's running in the Dem primary. We aren't supporting him to represent The Left. He's the Left Wing of the Democrats.
>>2532709Yes his being a blackwater mercenary should be disqualifying but there are no actual leftists here, just national chauvinists who don't consider Iraqis and afghans or anyone but americans, to be human.
>>2532712Platner has no left wing policies. Wanting a welfare state for the American volk which explicitly comes at the expense of the rest of the world is a right wing policy, not left wing.
I know none of you understand the difference because you're all farther right than Platner, but this is true none the less.
>>2532715The opinions of Leftypol literally don't matter. There are no Leftists in the US, much less in Maine. To the average American yes the lives of Afghans and Iraqis don't matter. As Leftists it's more our job to steer the US in the direction of anti-Imperialism, but that doesn't necessarily mean we need to be strictly anti-imperialist if supporting imperialists could benefit the long-term plan. Dunno if that makes sense.
The Left aren't a faction of American politics. We operate outside of it, and should act as such. We aren't fielding candidates, none of these candidates are on our side. We should be playing them against eachother for our benefit, not trying to be the conscience of the Democrats.
>>2532455>"Islamofascism">in 2020Fucking hell, I guess if your job has been killing muslims and destroying their stuff for the last fifteen years, you don't really need to move past 2001
USAnos worship these psychos who understandably have problems adjusting to civilian life back at home where you can't pillage, rape and murder with impunity. It remains hilarious every time a troop, for whatever reason (don't enlist, easy), pays them back with bullets at home.
>>2532695>I regret the Democrat Nazi MIC plant isn't gonna win because he said I'd be getting healthcare!Buddy, friendo,
amigo… you are
never getting healthcare.
I don't know what malady got you thinking that the cold war is gonna mean concessions from the same powers that have so far ran uncontested by the left. Nonono, you are just gonna get squeezed harder to guarantee the profits of the burgeoisie, lest they stop thinking US hegemony is where the money is at. And part of that guarantee is getting you to enlist.
Seeing as China's camp has most of the population, the natural resources and the industry… that leaves you with the finances, the waning monopolies, the guns and the
butthurt. So get ready chump, you are going to war. That's your welfare, do your part, enlist and maybe there will be some VA left after Hegseth is done plugging all his privatization lobby buddies in.
>>2532718We should be organizing the armed body of the Proletariat to smash the state machinery and destroy the United States so utterly that it can never return. To do anything else is rightist deviations.
>>2532714>I think it basically signals to anyone with a "problematic" past or any remotely controversial views or unconventional work history that the Left doesn't want you. You can repent of your reactionary past but you have to start at the bottom. you don't get to lead the anti-war left and demand votes when you worked for as a killer for hire less than 10 years ago. i like how you put problematic in air quotes like this is some random SJW shit and not actively materially supporting imperialism and killing people in countries that didn't attack us, 4 times for fun, 1 time for money. bro was at abu ghraib. bro was praising azov battalion but supposedly doesn't know what a totenkopf is yet got one inked on him. pic related is literally a quote from bro on reddit. if he wants to have a change of heart and support the left, he can start at the bottom doing daily work like most of us, not demanding elected office.
Why is it that an actual anti war leftist spends their entire life passing out flyers and canvasing and gets nothing but an "ex-"reactoid who was a mercenary less than 10 years ago gets his boots licked for "converting"
why do i have to trust someone with the worst track record who supposedly changed their mind out of nowhere because of a ayahuasca trip 4-5 years ago after 2 straight decades of being a servant of imperialism? It's a false opposition and you're falling for it. Go ahead and VOOT to your hearts content. Maybe some day you'll wake up.
>>2532716There are a few american proxy states in the middle east as an ideological project and to keep gas prices low. The us is no longer as geopolitically powerful as you think. Yes the US and israel terrorize the region. If america pulled out and left the region alone it would not be an economic catastrophe for americans so long as the suez remains protected from piracy. $5/gallon everywhere wouldnt hurt nearly as much as the failure of americans to unionize and enact social democratic policy.
>>2532721you're talking to a website full of people who suddenly started simping for a blackwater merc 2 days ago because he represents the latest in a long string of fake left candidates (bernie, AOC, Mamdani…. now this… how much lower can they go?). they aren't forming an armed body to smash anything any time soon.
>>2532728The taliban is objectively the lesser evil vs American imperialism.
>>2532728afghanistan would be socialist if burgers didn't do operation cyclone and give the taliban's forerunners stinger missiles to kill soviet soldiers.
>>2532730Do you think like 10 people can do anything? There needs to be more. And now you are using the fact that they are outnumbered as a case to vote for brandon again.
>>2532730If they are not organizing the armed body of the proletariat to smash the state then they are not Communists. But then, we already knew that. Communists get banned here while national chauvinists and strasserites are protected by the mods.
The rotten belly of the beast has produced another two puppets to dance for the capitalist masters, on one hand, the strings pull an elder woman in her late 70s, any job she held would be tantamount to elder abuse, and that's just one reason the capitalists love their elderly representation. On the other hand, the strings peddle a retired blackwater mercenary, adorned with the Totenkopf, the sigil of the SS, the skull of genocide worn by the very Nazis our forebears fought to destroy all those decades ago. Make no mistake, this is the system, this capitalist-imperialist regime, working as intended. These people do not represent you, the working class, nor do they represent our vision for the future, acidwashed nazism nor elder abuse.
Our future lies in true representation for the peoples of this nation, for the working classes of this nation. Federal, state, it makes no difference. The purpose is the same, these representatives are illusions, the system projects an image of representing the masses, but these men and women only service the capitalist. To endore any would be to make a pact with the capitalist class, and as Big Bill Haywood said: "An agreement between the capitalist class and the working class is an unholy alliance, and when entered into by any working man it removes them from their class and the class struggle and makes them auxiliaries of the enemy of labor."
>>2532723>Why is it that an actual anti war leftist spends their entire life passing out flyers and canvasing and gets nothing but an "ex-"reactoid who was a mercenary less than 10 years ago gets his boots licked for "converting"Real answer? Because the American electorate doesn't have a conscience and actually worship the military and find doing unconscionable shit to be "based" and "badass" and the whole regretful past is more relatable to them than someone who has never done anything bad in their life and treats people with kindness which comes off as "being a pussy" to the average burger.
I'm sorry I know it's awful but this is just how it is, Americans resonate more with the sociopathic action movie hero that moonlights as a crab boat captain and has nazi tattoos he doesn't recognize than they do with lifelong saints like Bernie that have always been on the right side of history. Americans don't want to be told "I told you so" by someone that was right about Iraq. They want someone that is just as retarded as they are to say "oops maybe we fucked up" and rehabilitate their reactionary bullshit by making them feel like they aren't alone in being a retard.
Now, as Leftists our options are to either stick with being America's Conscience and never winning anything ever, or join Team Retard and manipulate them for our ends. Maybe my opinion of Americans is just way too low to have any expectation of them doing the right thing ever, so I take the cynical approach of just viewing every political development through the lens of "how can this benefit the Left or push the average Burger towards the Left?" and not with any hope that any individual will make America better through policy.
>>2532736Starting a revolution from your moms basement?
>>2532695I'm disappointed because a mercenary with a Nazi tattoo is now supposed to be some sort of leftist.
I don't know, it seems like the American left either does nothing or totally capitulates to capital. That's what's disappointing.
>>2532759Platner has never said done or supported anything anti union but mills has.
>>2532761the joke went way over your head. that's ok. VOOT to your heart's content
If you wouldnt vote for a starbucks worker because you hate starbucks you would never achieve power anywhere
>>2532766I can't tell if you're serious or not but yeah. I would vote for an ex-military if he's to the Left of the Dems or at least pushes the overton window towards the Left in any meaningful way. I don't care about his record because everyone is complicit under Capitalism.
You as the person funding these young men to go murder brown children are not innocent just because you didn't personally dirty your hands. You are still reaping the rewards of imperialism that these people loot for you.
>>2532770>I don't care about his record because everyone is complicit under Capitalism.there's levels
>>2532759I've yet to play Disco Elysium.
>>2532764I mean, if voting did nothing, would they be working so hard to take it away?
If there's something else I can do though, lay it on me.
>>2532774>I've yet to play Disco Elysium.Spoilers if you care
Raul Kortenaer is disguised as a dock worker for the first several days of the game, but it turns out later he is a disguised mercenary and counter-revolutionary working for a corporation >>2532774Bourgeois vooting and the supposed war on vooting is liberal kulturkampf. You can do your historic duty of erecting and developing communist party so that future proletarians can vote in real democracy.
Breaking down pallets, you know the kind of wood that you see all the DIY projects done with? The nail filled blue wood? Yeah, breaking those down is backbreaking labor. Or atleast I can only imagine, it's not my job. It's the job of the guy that sells weed on the stoop. Why does he sell weed? He lives with his Aunt and 3 cousins in a single room motel, that's why. We've spoken a few times, I've copped some weed, we've bartered for some things, had some discussions, can't name it all here, wouldn't do that to my future self, but a few know. Stoop talk, cash for tasks when you need something you can't get. You get it. Point is. Every night this dude is out here, a felon of course, selling some nickels and quarters to the local shamblers and other assorted vagabonds, the front desk guy, myself, whoever the fuck needs a blunt of 'runtz' or whatever name the street weed is being called. You get it. He's the rack work guy, remember that article? Yeah. Shoplifting enmasse. That's the felon part, that's the jist of it at least. 7 siblings, 7 baby daddies in the deep south? Hell of an upbringing.
Jobs new, and he's been grinding on it. Locked in as they say. When we met, he was just moving shake and drinking the day away. Typical, a product of what is and what was. This is the nature of the beast. Shoplift to sell the take to someone who's running an illegal shop in a food desert. Prison house of nations indeed. The job pays well enough, enough to get the mind out of the mud a bit. There's a vision. Always wants to call out though, but the last time we spoke, he mentioned it, wanted to day drink, smoke a backwood, you know how it goes. You'd do the same thing if it was your first week breaking down hundreds of pounds of pallets a night, 10 hour shifts. Another skimpy bustdown blunt from the ash tray roaches and a vision of what a good high grade hydro might taste like, and we get to talking. Stoop is small, real small. He wanted to call in, and then said the motel bed ain't worth the money out the check, ain't worth risking his long term vision. $500 a week is big money when you have none, and it's worth the arms covered in cuts from the wood. The dream of a beat up 2009 Charger seem within reach. And the court fees? The jailhouse dues? They aren't cheap. Priorities.
We've got to understand that that man is a member of the working class, and is of the most exploited among us. I asked them if they were hiring. What separates you from I is simply a roll of the dice in a game rigged against us all. What separates myself from this man is the fact that they aren't hiring. The only thing separating that man from the man working the jailhouse kitchen is time served.
Who is the working class in this country if not for this man and the millions like them, struggling against impossible odds, rising from the mud like the trees that will one day soon stand tall over this wretched concrete casket they call capitalism.
>>2532770Ive never funded s single politician, streamer or internet fuck in my life buddy
>>2532773I mean, who is more complicit the guy killing brown children, the guy ordering him to kill brown children, the guy signing his checks, the guy making his guns, etc.
They all get the rope if we're being honest. But Americans don't want to feel guilt so they throw it all on the next person in the hierarchy to absolve themselves.
>>2532717>leftistlegitimately who snuck this shit in? same with
>progressive>anti-establishmentwhat is leftism? what are leftist principles? are there any leftist scholars? leftist parties? leftist authors? what is the leftist theory of change? You can answer these questions for every ideology: fascism, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, liberalism, anarchism, democratic socialism, socialism, communism whatever. sometimes the distinctions are kind of minor. sometimes the answers change depending on which ideology you identify with.
what the fuck is leftism? why the fuck do americans think you can lash together the spectrum of thought from ezra klein to v.i. lenin and get something coherent? why the fuck do americans think they can chop and change ideology between every issue, between every question?
>>2532813Many of us have critical thinking and dont threat marx like jesus
>>2532813It's funny how you ultraleft meme children know exactly what people mean when they say "leftist" but then you do this performative, religious bullshit where you pretend to not understand. You could just not post, but instead you have to own yourself.
>>2532583Capitalists are so fucking stupid, was that guy legit retarded?
>>2532825
Well, things like that were still going on under American occupation, so whats the difference?
>>2532731Preach king! Show those imperialist pigs!
>>2532826No, the American soldiers weren't cutting the noses and ears off of the little girls they were wedding to Taliban soldiers, as punishment for running away. It was the Taliban and it's part of their reactionary, tribal law and tradition.
>but the government the Americans installed was bad tooYeah, but you're trying to avoid that the Taliban do this. You're okay with this.
Anyone that tries to hide this away or make up excuses like you're doing, to distance themselves from it, don't actually care about people in Afghanistan. What you actually care about is anti-American campism, not people, not the proletariat, not women and children ect.
The kicker is that there are actual communist groups in Afghanistan, that now have to avoid the Taliban but then fake socialists like you slob their dick. It's disgusting.
>>2532829So you think America came in, fixed everything, and then everything got unfixed in 2022, lmao.
Those same tribal leaders kissed Taliban boot, then American boot, and then Taliban boot again, and as long as they didn't speak up people looked away and allowed them to rape children and mutilate them.
>>2532644>Buying the dipIt's a low volume market but I'll toss a few bucks on Platner. Nothing I wouldn't be okay with losing.
>>2532651>The betting market didn't know Zohran would win the primary for example. It is just a correlation for an online phenomena.^^^
>>2532661>If i was a statistician who knows politics i would be making bank off that shit. Certain bets are going to attract people capable of making educated guesses about an outcome since it would be idiotic to bet on something you know nothing about.The more advanced statistician stuff is beyond me, but I made off with the bag on Mamdani. The /leftypolymarket/ thread is dead but we were talking about Mamdani when he was priced between 10-20c. I've done pretty well on the site, but I'll see people who have lost considerable sums on it.
>>2532714>Buttigieg also killed people in the middle east and no one even brought it up during his Presidential run. Because those people weren't a threat to the Dems.I saw some leftists mention that fact about Buttigieg (like: well damn, that's strange), but the debate that's going on about Platner seems to be more about whether he should represent "the left" or whether Platner does represent the left in some kind of way. That's what this is really about. As a matter of fact he is the candidate of the Democratic Party's left in the Maine primary and was recruited by Bernie's people – which was not the case for Buttigieg since was running in the centrist lane (that is, on the party's right flank). But these terms like "left" and "right" always exist in a relationship, it's only in a relative sense that these terms make sense.
>>2532795>I mean, who is more complicit the guy killing brown children, the guy ordering him to kill brown children, the guy signing his checks, the guy making his guns, etc. They all get the rope if we're being honest. But Americans don't want to feel guilt so they throw it all on the next person in the hierarchy to absolve themselves.Right. It's unlikely Buttigieg ever saw combat or pulled the trigger on anybody. But that doesn't really make a difference in my opinion since the military is a large organization that kills people in an organized, collective fashion. People can say, well, the Marines are crazier than the Air Force, but the Air Force probably kills way more people, especially non-combatants who are just victims of the war. In any case, it's a team effort.
>>2532807>How do they plan to accomplish their goals without defectors from the very army they hate or safeguard against defections to the other side?Well historically Marxist-Leninists made an effort to recruit soldiers from what I can tell, and capitalist armies have tried very hard to keep such people out of their ranks. There was also a whole history of communist-adjacent naval mutinities and strikes. Not just in Russia btw but also the British Royal Navy in 1931:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invergordon_mutinyBut we're not even talking about that but a guy who is a socdem at best running for the U.S. Senate. Another factor is that military service a century ago was on a vastly larger scale throughout the male population than it is today. I recall reading Friedrich Engels talking about how large-scale military service in Germany was good for them because it meant socialists had experience with weapons and warfare but that's not really the case today in most of Europe or the United States, and if that's the case, then you might as well stick to phone banking for socdems.
>>2532834>Those same tribal leaders kissed Taliban boot, then American boot, and then Taliban boot again, and as long as they didn't speak up people looked away and allowed them to rape children and mutilate them.Well don't forget Soviet boot too. One of our allies in Afghanistan was a Hero of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and recipient of the Order of the Red Banner. (Depicted in a movie here calling in U.S. air strikes on the Taliban.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rashid_Dostum >>2532105I love seeing half naked men
>>2532823no I don't fucking know what people mean when they say "leftist" and I really don't fucking know what americans mean by "leftist". The more I engage with normie politics the more I see "leftism" and "leftist" applied to people and causes I despise. it's used this way by people that want my money or my attention or my consent to push bullshit that drags us further and further away from peace, prosperity, and sustainable socialism.
>>2532885What's good about the Taliban?
gm platnerbros let's get that money
>>2532885At least America gave you the personal computer and the internet to write this message on. What good did Taliban do so far?
the only good thing ive seen from afghanistan is that you can openly carry an ak-47.
>>2532887They’re anti imperialist which makes them infinitely better than what came before
>>2532889They ended the opium production which America was using to spread drugs everywhere.
American left will seriously argue themselves blue in the face about how the imperialist mass murdering Nazi tatted mercenary is the only way to get some "gibs" despite not showing how one senator difference will suddenly make it rain housing and healthcare, but the moment they find a single issue with any nominally socialist party there's a million reasons why we should be cautious.
Brain damaged country literally too retarded to live.
But things are baaaaad :c
Come back when you can explain how the US is in absolute terms in worse condition than a 19th century Russian peasant, on the scale of millions
>>2532900NATOtimmies BTFO
>>2532906Damn I didn't know we wanted 19th century peasant revolutions
Years of laughing at trots supporting US-funded ISIS and now the retards like US-funded Taliban, killers of the Soviet Union. Lmao. The cult of "winners" is strong with online multipolaroids
>>2532918posted it again award
the so called "progressive" reaction to the kkkracker platter is pretty blackpilling, and makes me think all of these journalists and commentators are on the take in a literal way, either that or they stand for nothing
>>2532866I hate to be that guy but arent food stamps like trillions that gets spent on treats like soda? treatlerism for the masses is still treatlerism, even bigger in scope. Bread and circus for the plebians, and the bread all is stolen from Afrika.
>>2532939yeah, god forbid the poors have money or they will spend it on candy and shit they don't need like fucking children. fuck the poor, kill the poor
fuck you >>2532939>arent food stamps like trillions that gets spent on treats like sodaIt's designed this way on purpose. You can't buy hot food with food stamps. When I worked at a gas station the EBT card would decline with specific items, like a cooked pizza slice. I was allowed to sell them a cold uncooked slice they then warmed up in the microwave. You also can't use food stamps to buy a bunch of ingredients and make a big meal and sell to people you'll get your ass thrown in jail for that
>>2532942
yeah, you're right, stupid fat amerikkkans. riddle me this: are the amerikkkan poors fat because they are a. lazy b. stupid c. poor. or maybe they're poor because they're fat and lazy AND stupid? maybe the global poor should have hustled and ground harder
>>2532943yeah, it doesn't help that we feed them corn syrup slurry because they are too stupid to know otherwise. stupid ungrateful proles deserve it because they are amerikkkans. yes, I am a communist
>>2532939SNAP cost around £94B/y
so not even a tenth of a trillion:
>SNAP recipients receive an average of about $188 per person per month, or about $6 per dayhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/snap-government-shutdown-food-stamps-b2849533.html>In fiscal year 2024, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) served an average of 41.7 million people per month, or 12.3 percent of U.S. residentshttps://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=55416$188 × 41,700,000 = £94,000,000,000
lets compare this to other projects:
<US is working on doubling aid to Argentina to $40 billion by tapping private funding sourceshttps://apnews.com/article/trump-argentina-financing-economy-milei-billion-peso-fd38553ae03f4c33ce1288999469f7fb<Trump’s so-called “big, beautiful bill” dedicates roughly $170bn for immigration and border-related operations – a staggering sum that would make US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice)https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/02/immigration-trump-big-beautiful-bill<The OBBBA includes $150 billion in new defense spendinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Actdoesnt seem like he's cutting spending; just sounds like he's re-allocating funds.
I see that both the natoglowies and the larpers have been working real hard in this thread.
>>2532950
I never said that they matter any more or any less than anyone else. I would call you out for your capitalist apologia whether it were at the expense of the poor of the periphery or the imperial zenith. I don't know what you think life is like here, but you could have at least qualified white americans. a not insignificant percentage of black households are food insecure, and I would assume it's similar for brown households broadly but also more specifically first-gen and undocumented. I don't know what you think life is like for white americans either but things are getting worse every day for them, and most still work long hours at shitty jobs for shitty pay that is comparatively more than the rest of the world but because of economic forces becomes less here, and conditions are deteriorating, which you seem to be too stupid to realize on both accounts. but hey, we can still afford cheap garbage. at best you are a midwit who is just smart enough to grasp world economics but too stupid to have a bit of compassion and good-will for the imperial proletariat, who are exploited and even suffering in their own right. you are like a selfish petty child who chooses to engage in capitalist apologia off of a wholly inaccurate perception of conditions.
>>2532954This country is going fucking, and a gold parachute is a stupid fucking idea.
>>2532950
I'm not even disputing that we are comparatively better off, but you don't even really care that much, you just want to be a grandiose moralizing fuck
>>2532960I’m not surprised, but I also don’t care
>>2532965
you do realize that you are part of the thing youre complaining about, right?
>>2532965
Get your larping ass out my fucking imperial core thread, you fucking crackkker.
>>2532969
what are you doing about it, exactly?
>>2532973
please stfu
youre not important
>>2532974TrumpRx. It's going to be the most stupendous and the most incredibly bad program so far.
>>2532976“Just learn to code bro” worked out in the end huh?
>>2532976Sounds like cold war hysteria but then again we have documented evidence of english glowies doing that in *checks notes* anarchist communes, so who knows
>>2532984very common spycraft stuff. every country engages in it
>>2532984Anarchist communes are themselves Anglo-Israeli glowies so it’s not infiltration so much as collaboration
>>2532988Government mandated girlfriends for foreigner.
>>2532987 Wait when did Jesse white leave
>>2533018Because burger troops have more relevance, and Eastern Europe usually just gets a stink eye for their troubles.
>US hits $38 trillion in debt, after the fastest accumulation of $1 trillion outside of the pandemic
>>2532987oh hey, i seen that guy on Fox. He was antifa or mexican or something.
>>2532954we must not be confined by vulgar nominals. We must consider the long term effects that the bread and circus bring upon the workers and peasants. Communist think in decades or centuries, not single years. SNAP has created material foundation for system of exploitation of hundred million obese creatures sustained by poor workers.
>SNAP cost around £94B/y so not even a tenth of a trillionAfter ten years, it will be trillion. SNAP is sizeable portion of monopolist food revenue. Capitalism fail without SNAP so SNAP is bad.
https://x.com/calleymeans/status/1608618928561074177?lang=en >>2532738> lifelong saints like Bernie bro supported the balkanization of yugoslavia and lapped up NATO propaganda uncritically.
>>2533051somehow MLs always want workers to suffer and capitalists to gain.
>>2532738You do realize that putting fresh converts at the top of your organizational priorities over long time allies is a good way to get co opted by any reactionary or glowie pretending to have a change of heart, right?
>>2533077Third worldists are a favored mask for glowies seeking to suppress revolutionary development in the imperial core.
>>2533072that was going to happen anyway cuz tito didn't bother to actually fix anything while he had authoritarian control, he only suppressed it. not everything nato does is 100% bad; serbia was committing a genocide
>>2533018>why do burger troops get shit on for 'fascism'nice scare quotes for damage control. I don't care whether Platner or any other burger troop is a "nazi" or a "fascist" when it is sufficient to recognize he is a reactionary. You make the goalpost "fascist" scare quotes to win by technicality of it supposedly not being some very specific form of reactionary horse shit.
>when its state policy in eastern europe to celebrate their military collaboration with nazi germany.I shit on eastern euro fascists too. Especially since many of them are armed, trained, and supported covertly by the American CIA and overtly by American troops.
But you come to America thread and ask why people complain about American reactionaries. What other country has over 700 offshore bases, several CIA torture dungeons, and have been at war over 90% of their existence? What other country did pic related? When America declines into historical irrelevance I'm sure some other group of people will begin winning the reactionary olympics and we can pivot our attention to them in due course. You put out 5-alarm fires before you put out 4-alarm fires, and so on. Priorities. America is the global 5-alarm fire.
>their fascism comes from the top down. i dont understandin many ways america's decentralized and bottom up reactionary politics is worse because it can't be decapitated. It's like a fungal network where mushrooms spring up from a large network of mycelium under the soil
>>2533067Strange to see them acknowledge this
>>2533110great britian controlled a quarter of the planet for over a hundred years I don't wanna hear it
>>2533121> I don't wanna hear itevidently ya lazy bastard. my post takes 2 minutes to read, tops
>great britian controlled a quarter of the planet for over a hundred yearsAnd then America became the premier imperialist country after WW2. Now America is in decline. But until America is as historically irrelevant as Britain has become, I will continue to closely monitor its actions and shit on it at every opportunity, especially when I am in a thread where it is the topic of discussion. "BUT WUDDABOUT OTHER COUNTRY" well go to that thread or make one.
>>2533195Trump should have just ended accreditation completely, Tim Pool was a literal Russian shill so I have no clue what the fuck he's doing there, but let's be real here, NYT, Washington Post, CBS, ABC, Fox, etc, all aren't deserving of accreditation either.
Trump Pardons Convicted Binance Founder
Pardon follows months of efforts by Changpeng Zhao to boost Trump crypto company
President Trump has pardoned Changpeng Zhao, the convicted founder of the crypto exchange Binance, according to people familiar with the matter, following months of efforts by Zhao to boost the Trump family’s own crypto company.
>>2533195"Tim Pool: Pentagon Reporter" is the kind of thing you'd say if the prompt was "scare me in four words"
>>2533210next on the list is puff daddy and ghislaine maxwell
>>2533210>>2533213Maybe Trump secretly has a death wish and he's trying to get himself ousted in a brutal palace coup?
>>2533217trump's brownshirts will keep him safe
>>2533103nonono if you say this you are social fascist. Good things are bad because reformism! Death to the American working class!
>>2532992You may not like it but this is what socialism with american characteristics looks like 😏
New York City Mayor Eric Adams will endorse former Gov. Andrew Cuomo in the race to replace him, sources in both camps tell CBS News New York's Marcia Kramer. It comes just two days before early voting starts.
Sources say Adams and Cuomo are working out a joint appearance that is expected to happen later Thursday.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/adams-endorses-cuomo-nyc-mayor-election/>>2533227You and every other American need to be turned into fertilizer, fucking labor zionist
>>2533195It always gives me a chuckle seeing the MyPillow advertisements on the church newslettersmy parents bring back, considering it's a fairly run of the mill catholic church albeit with a priest that's been gunning against a new crappy sports stadium being put up.
>>2533222I don’t want to hear that from you, reformist.
honkoid status?
>>2533229>>2533240Sounds like you guys are sore losers 😏 May the Peoples Demokkkratic Socialist Republic of Amerikkka bring a new century of prosperity to this stolen indigenous land! ✊ All glory to Comrade Platner!
>>2533250>Sounds like you guys are sore losersAt least i’m not a loser entangled by the democratic party
>>2533256you're just butthurt because you passed on your chance for a seat at the Central Committee for Platner Thought
>>2532960Tbf this seems like it was taken before the nazi tattoo scandal.
>>2533267Total Tripfag Death
You know, if I didn't know any better, I'd be tempted to say that mister "Normal Adult Marxist" here was actually someone's idea of a false flag to make the average American leftist seem like an obnoxious Hitlerite hopelessly obsessed with electoralism. But Leftypol is also known for organically generating morons so really it's hard to tell
>>2533268Only anarchists would refuse to identify themselves on a messageboard. All Anon-posters will be sent to the gulag under the coming reign of Platner's Democratic Social Fascist People's Republic! All kkkounter revolutionaries get the wall!
>>2533146>ywn cure a foreign spy of her ultranationalism with your dick, convert her to socialism, and initiate the world revolutionwhy live
Okay enough taking bait let's talk about shit that matters, namely that they're going to fucking repeal same sex marriage
https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/10/court-to-consider-whether-to-hear-challenge-to-same-sex-marriage-on-nov-7/Yes yes it's "considering" but with the state of our court I expect nothing less than completely backsliding on the few gains the LGBTQ community has made over the past several decades
>>2533270True but what’s the alternative to electoralism? Starting a militant union gets you blacklisted and terrorism gets you sent to jail and killed
>>2533270Under Platnerism, obvious glowies such as yourself, paid for by israel to suppress the morale of the disaffected online left will be forced to watch AI porn slop of a Senator Fetterman x Schumer lemon party in the style of Clockwork Orange
>>2533282Parallel institutions, community defense, building up your local community to resist the feds, that sort of thing. You can use unions or political parties as fronts if they help advance our overall goal of establishing communism. Whatever it takes to build up local power to combat state power.
>>2533281the amerikkkan gays must suffer under fascism first so that they develop the revolutionary energy to spark revolution, comrade! It's GOOD that these things are happening! It's so obvious and clear!
>>2533281Even before the change in justices, they were already vacillating on the question of LGBT rights. "Oh but it doesn't count there was a procedural issue…" fuck off. The supreme court has always and will always be corrupt. it must be destroyed and a new one that is actually accountable to and protective of the people must be built.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission >>2533289>>2533282anon 1:
>terrorism gets you sent to jail and killedanon 2: don't vote even though it's like 30 minutes out of your day once every 2 years and instead build parallel terrorism institutions that talk about overthrowing the government all the time. You won't get caught or go to jail, I promise also I'm not a fed ;)
>>2533291biden limped so we could run, comrade!
thought-experiment:
what would happen if in 2028 the next president literally abolishes US national borders, so that anyone anywhere can live in the US?
>>2533300It's impossible to do so because borders and the state (a monopoly of violence in a given area) are fundamentally intertwined. AKA as long as states still exist so will borders. So the question makes no sense.
>Israel would lose ‘all support’ from the US if it annexes West Bank, Trump warns
>VP Vance says Knesset preliminary vote on matter was ‘very stupid’ and an insult to him, marring his visit
kamala would never
>>2533289Feds literally create these things all the time because they’re bored and want to justify their budget, how are you gonna tell the difference? Not to mention they can kill you with any electronic device.
>>2533303so an open borders policy is technically impossible?
>>2533299the problem I usually have with the "uhhh don't vote organize instead durrr" people is they never describe what "organizing" is. They act like it's super intense and communisty and then…
It's just supposed to be ICE watch patrols and refreshment stations? How is that going to take down the federal government?
I feel like YOU specifically understand what actual organizing is (just building a sense of community but still continuing to act through the machinery that exists in relation to the state [literally dual power])
but these other "radical communists" ITT are all but implying you need to get guns and plan an insurrection or you're not a trve communist
>>2533307The term "open borders" is itself an ultranationalist psyop. There is no such thing and no one is advocating for it except dumbasses who lack basic polisci 101 literacy that you could get off wikipedia. The concept of borders and the state are fundamentally intertwined, so as long as the state exists, so too do borders. The goal is a stateless world wherein borders themselves wouldn't exist; ergo, you wouldn't have "open" borders at all because there wouldn't be "closed" borders either - even if the lines on the map remained they would lose their power (the ability to exercise violence and control movement).
>>2533313but what is the most "lenient" immigration policy with a state in place?
>>2533308what if you vooted AND oorganized???
what if after vooting you monitored your candidate closely and criticized their failings and admitted when your candidate was a giant walking fell for it again award instead of pretending it never happened???
>>2533308The local organizing isn't the end in and of itself, it's just meant to be the first in a series of steps. By keeping your community safe from ICE and providing free and easy access to food and water and legal resources for immigrants and other vulnerable members of the community under assault by the federal government you and your group gain a reputation as a compassionate alternative to ineffectual local governance and hostile state and federal governance. This will become an increasingly vital way to gain support as what little remains of our social safety net comes crashing down through negligence and outright dismemberment. And if your community trusts you and your buddies more than they do the feds for their basic needs…well you can use your imagination for the rest
>>2533316uhhhh you can do that? Everyone does that? That's normal. Who the fuck votes for someone and never checks in to see if they're good or not?
I need america to start a foreign war so it can be turned into a civil war
>>2533317that makes sense except the american state isn't falling apart so you'll just be a bunch of weird dickheads scaring the hoes Chairman Bob style. This is larp. You're larping. Grow up. Be an Adult Marxist™ without fantasy. That's the whole point of the trip code
>>2533267>Amerikkkan unions are part of our social fascist revolutiondid you know that the ILWU made an exception for Israeli cargo and other "national security" cargo during one of their more recent strikes? i.e. they refused to load ships with harmless commodities, but still loaded ships as long as Uncle Sam Government declared it crucial to the burger reich's plunder. So yes, in a sense, what you are saying sarcastically here is true. I seem to recall, as well, the Teamsters President giving a speech at the RNC in 2024. If only Marx and Lenin and even American union leaders like Eugene Debs had all gone into the limitations of unions several times.
>>2533321If maduro had a spine he would sink their carrier and trigger it already
>>2533318>Who the fuck votes for someone and never checks in to see if they're good or not?Most libs and conservatives, who are like 90% of VOOTERS, go full brunch mode once their guy wins and plug their ears to any criticism, even criticism from within their own ranks.
>>2533317and again… you know that's exactly what the black panthers did right? And it made WAY more sense at their time and place than any of what you're saying does right now. And they were righteous. But they miscalculated the moment in history (adventurism) and they were obliterated by the state, just like the Paris Commune.
So… how is this the right time and place?
>>2533315Probably a combination of Regional free movement (E.g., EU Schengen Zone, ECOWAS, MERCOSUR) + Global mobility with regulation (Migration allowed except for specific, clearly justified restrictions), or maybe something in between the two. Migration would be a human right but with compacts and tiered integration but also portability of citizen rights. Though of course we'd need to account for the unequal development of different societies and the fact that criminals do exist while we build up the world and pursue the stateless goal.
>>2533321>I need america to start a foreign warsorry babe, we just juggle proxy wars and kill random civilians on boats now. we ain't what we used to be
>>2533324yeah but then Americans would have sympathy over being attacked. it's important the trump admin needs to be seen as the aggressor
>>2533325ohhh ok well so the thing is uhhh we're leftists and we have leftists telling other leftists here not to vote ever because that's a sin against the third world and you'll burn in commie hell for eternity. That's what the topic is right now. We're not talking about libs.
>>2533313>The term "open borders" is itself an ultranationalist psyopFinally someone says it. natcucks really want people to be less free to move than commodities while a global imperialist system is still in place. natcucks love it when an entire city gets turned into an open air prison and you aren't allowed to leave because UMM THAT WOULD BE OPEN BORDERS THO
>>2533323wow it's almost like it's context specific! Similar to electoralism, something of which Lenin ALSO spoke of its many but limited uses!
Man I wonder what this concept is called…
>>2533332you asked who so I answered who. if you had limited the group in question to "we leftists" I wouldn't have answered in that manner
>we have leftists telling other leftists here not to vote ever because that's a sin against the third world I've told you a million times in the past two days to go ahead and VOOT For your little blackwater merc if you live in Maine, but don't be surprised when you win a fell for it again award and you cried fed fed fed
>>2533337Oh so you're 100% sure? Can you prove it? That sure is a hefty gamble you got there, one that could cost 10s of millions of lives. Surely with that thesis, you have more than 2 screenshots to support it?
>>2533339buddy, you don't namefag how the fuck am I supposed to know what you said before. And also… fell for what? You're assuming I have unrealistic expectations of a socdem… lmao like buddy this isn't my first rodeo I know what to expect
>>2533340Half of americans are obese
>>2533340Tens of millions of lives at minimum are already on the line with the sheer psychopathic retardation of the current administration dude, shit is going to get really really bad worse than it already is and we can either be ready for it or we can die. And yes, shit's collapsing, the entire economy is hanging on by a thread that is itself maintained by an AI bubble which has a non zero chance of declaring itself "mechahitler" on any given day. Shit's going to make the Great Depression look like seasonal depression
>>2533344buddy I just think you have Great Seasonal Depression and don't have a real grip on the pulse of reality. I used to think the world was collapsing back during Covid. We thought the world would end in 2012. The British Colonizers thought the end times were upon us in the late 1600s and wanted to accelerate the fuckin eschaton 400 fucking years ago.
Nothing is collapsing. Everything is changing shape and moving forward. Pay ACTUAL attention, get ACTUAL perspective. You're literally doomering, catastrophizing, and it never actually happens.
>>2533344and also like, if we actually do hit a crazy fucking all out civil war with… factions? somehow? we'll just do it THEN. But until then… I'm gonna vote for like whatever bullshit demsoc healthcare while I'm at it. Even if he used to work for blackwater or whatever the fuck. It's not that fucking deep, bro.
yeah idk how this is even a question lmao this platner guy would be bad news even if he wasnt also retarded. i am generally "wait and see" as far as reformist efforts go and think you should always focus more on getting yourself involved in organizing instead of living in /isg/ world giving hot-takes. and i am fully against the psycho "felixites" on here going on about how all americans are irredeemable slop-eating pigdogs who are inherently responsible for the crimes of empire and need to throw themselves at machineguns asap to get into sakaist heaven
i am also a communist and this guy is an unrepetent enemy of the people of the world. he is not on an unapologetic agent of imperialism he by every indication has always enjoyed killing for empire and was excited to do more of it. if someone like this came to my org and it was up to me i'd say: if he seems genuinely remorseful and like hes open to education and reperation, lets take him on and have him working on projects and participating in political education as a prospective member under review for a couple years before hes allowed to sit in on meetings or vote, let alone hold leadership. it is insane to just endorse someone like this with no standards. its not just that he was a troop, theres are thousands of guys in Vets About Face and Iraq Vets Against the War and i would trust the most suspect of those over this guy any day because they got involved in something explicitly opposed to continuation of imperialist wars instead of just saying some vague "progressive" shit and immediately trying to run in a campaign
>Former Alabama quarterback AJ McCarron running for lieutenant governor
>During his campaign announcement, McCarron cited conservative firebrand Charlie Kirk’s death as his reason “to get off the sidelines, and get into the game and stand tall” for Conservative beliefs.
>>2533353Well first off, he's not going into your Org, and I wouldn't let him into any org I was in lmfao. He's obviously a liability WITHIN a real left-wing organization.
But as far as the
incredibly low bar for US Senate, I say why not? His entire platform on his website is literally the DSA platform. He's not just saying vague progressive shit. His platform explicitely calls Israel-Gaza a full genocide etc etc.
Like, yeah he's a fucking retarded foot-in-mouth meathead but I say put em up there and see what happens. Literally couldn't be worse
>>2533353>he by every indication has always enjoyed killing for empire and was excited to do more of it. if someone like this came to my org and it was up to me i'd say: if he seems genuinely remorseful and like hes open to education and reperation, lets take him on and have him working on projects and participating in political education as a prospective member under review for a couple years before hes allowed to sit in on meetings or vote, let alone hold leadership. it is insane to just endorse someone like this with no standards. its not just that he was a troop, theres are thousands of guys in Vets About Face and Iraq Vets Against the War and i would trust the most suspect of those over this guy any day because they got involved in something explicitly opposed to continuation of imperialist wars instead of just saying some vague "progressive" shit and immediately trying to run in a campaignlogicpilled and reasonmaxxed, liberasts will seethe
>>2533358>he's saying that for things to get better for proles around the world, including american proles, the US imperialist govt. must be destroyedsee that's the thing everyone thinks is a given but… I don't think it's a given? I think the Imperial ASPECTS of America can wither away without a full destruction and overthrow of the USA itself. We're watching it happen right now in front of our very eyes.
>>2533362no you fucking retard I was arguing AGAINST the "never vote" retards like felix. You just thought I was argueing like a lib and didn't fucking read what I was saying because you're a dumbass and you don't pay attention to my posts. This is why I namefag and you STILL can't keep up
>>2533365literally yes. Therefore we don't need schizo manic depressive fucking retard Felixites calling everyone who votes for mamdani because they want insulin for their dying grandmother a "social fascist".
But this conversation is only working because they're not here shitting everything up. I guess they log into their mossad-pads come 2nd shift
>>2533368 Then you won't get insulin because the US is propped up by the imperial system of violence.
>>2533369I had a normal reasonable take all along, that's why I have this name. Yall just too retarded to parse through the felixites. Impressionable lot, you are
>>2533374What happens when the US dollar debt system comes down?
>>2533375what do you mean by 'comes down?' there will always be a certain percentage of global debt denominated in dollars, it will simply have competition now
>>2533371burgers pay more for insulin than other imperial core nations despite the imperialism.
>>2533375i can't tell the future because I am not psychic. a lot of things will happen at once.
>>2533377Thepart where international debts will no line be mediated in dollars exclusively between countries aside from trade with the US. The ability of the US to print and export money directly hinges on this issue heavily.
>>2533375everything stays almost entirely the same. The global capitalist system is unbelievably robust and resilient. Trump is proving every day time and time again (like with the tariffs) that everything is made up and contracts barely mean anything in the face of true fundamental global production. When that tariff shit happened, I was glued to Bloomberg for DAYS bro, and we thought it was Joever. In about a week, everything recovered like it was nothing.
Even the AI bubble won't be that catastrophic. Everything is bullshit. It's almost completely detached from what you would notice in your day to day life. The only thing that will happen to us workers is steadily increasing austerity until 30 years from now we all live in hovels. No revolution.
Unless you do standard bullshit normie demsoc stuff
with the help of communist vanguards leading the people with mass-line theoretical training to slowly begin to improve their conditions etc etc.
The state will
wither… it doesn't have to explode
>>2533382Please read the fucking thread and my post where I tell you the answer to your question when I was replying to someone else. I hate repeating myself
>>2533359You people annoy me so much
>>2533382Blackwater can be pushed left.
>>2533383Eventually the fundamental contradictions of bourgeois democracy will be one unresolvable from internal means
>>2533390mhmmmmm and whennnn will that BE? :D tell me! :D
>>2533383The new deal was literally that and it got us here. Are you insane?
>>2533383>everything stays almost entirely the same. The global capitalist system is unbelievably robust and resilient.yes but specifically US hegemony will be replaced. You have to understand that the reason exports were cheap from 1970-2020 was because of the normalization of trade with china, the de-industrialization of the USA, and the US dollar as the global reserve currency. Like AK47 said, other countries were trading with each other in dollars even when the USA wasn't involved. There was massive demand for US currency specifically, and the US controlled global finance through the IMF, the World Bank, through the SWIFT banking system based in belgium (NATO ally), through its huge network of bases, and through its tendency to CIA coup any non-nuclear-armed developing country that wanted to do protectionism, or nationalize key industries, or grow their own food, or do any kind of economic policies to the left of liberalism.
That paradigm is ending. Trump wants to switch from Free Trade and go back to GIlded Age Protectionism, but he also wants to keep the US diollar hegemony that became possible from Nixon killing the gold standard and outsourcing production to China. But if you reindustrialize, and become an economy based one exporting commodities and importing foreign currencies, you can no longer keep a hold of your currency hegemony which was rooted in leveraging military might over developing countries in order to import cheap commodities and export a currency that was in high demand. The dollar hegemony is declining, and even if
Capitalism is robust, US hegemony as a feature of 1970-2020 capitalism was incredibly brittle.
TL;DR It's over for burgers . It's the Chinese century, whether you see them as capitalist or socialist. Listen to Richard Wolff or Ben Norton or Michael Hudson talk about this at length and be convinced.
>>2533395>. You have to understand that the reason exports were cheap*imports, fuck
>>2533381global debt being denominated by dollars isn't what's propping up american neocolonialism. that would be the trade settlement and reserve currency status, neither of which is vanishing, just shrinking to the actual level expected from a superpower in a multipolar world
>>2533394>Wait so you think the New Deal CAUSED neoliberalism? capital reacted to the new deal making things better for american workers by outsourcing production and embracing neoliberalism yes. see
>>2533395 >>2533398>global debt being denominated by dollars isn't what's propping up american neocolonialism. that would be the trade settlement and reserve currency status, neither of which is vanishingreserve currency status is going out the window because the USA is going back to protectionism, other nations are trading with each other in their own currencies, or even in precious metals again, and even countries where crypto isn't big are looking into digital banking systems as an alternative to SWIFT
>>2533395waitwaitwait WAAAIIITTTT
>US hegemony will be replacedSo you're telling me…. USA hegemony will be replaced… that sounds alot like… NO!!! It can't be!!!
The American Empire… OVERTHROWN? BY THE MULTIPLOAR WORLD ORDER? USING CAPITALISM AS THE TOOL ITSELF? Someone tell Iron Felix! Quick! He must know his dream is already coming true!
(this is not sarcasm by the way that's actually what's happening it's just not in the form of a glorious battle because normal people aren't mentally ill larpers)
>>2533402can you have a conversation with anon without seething about your fellow nameslur who isn't present at the moment
>>2533358I think it’s a foolhardy assumption to believe the US ruling class wouldn’t use nukes against the US landmass if they were losing a civil war, if they’re going to lose power anyway they absolutely would glass the continent out of spite. The worst Nazi atrocities happened after it was clear they were going to lose war, the same will be repeated here.
Leftypol has fallen
Billions must discourse
>>2533404>nameslur>won't say fag>clearly a fedBut no. Because people like him are a problem to clear and forward thinking on the left. People like him should go suck off Bob Avakian for the next 20 years while normal people do normal things. Like understand marxist concepts with a 21st century frame.
And I'm currently in an argument with like 3 other people that are essentially arguing in his place because they can't think for themselves
>>2533394Though its complete failure to deal with class antagonisms sufficiently, yes.
>>2533406in civil wars the ruling class becomes emigres while in conventional wars the ruling class finds it harder to flee because they are at wars with other countries. The US ruling class, assuming a civil war, will likely flee to NATO countries the same way tsarist and liberal russians fled to America after 1917. Nazis were at war with everyone and couldn't run away.
ok but seriously I do have to leave. I have so many fucking errands to do dawg
>>2532138>BRO WAS LITERALLY IN ABU GHRAIB IN 2005 💀💀💀💀💀Hahaha, everyone got their marching orders and will keep shilling for this guy no matter what. IDK, between this and Gaza I get the feeling of the vast majority of online people being actual fascists. Maybe it's the anonymity or the (social)media environment which takes away their inhibitions to saying the most horrible shit.
I'm optimistic that, at the end of the day, this stuff is just busywork to manage tensions and obtain passive consent or apathy. I hope media isn't enough, to get the average liberal to actually enlist when the demand inevitably goes up.
>>2533358>legal tacticsThe question which legal tactics? Electoralism has been proven to be an absolute dead end for a multitude of reasons.
>>2533408>why won't you say FAGGOT like a normal adult marxist>you're a FED because you won't say FAGGOTfine. faggot faggot faggot. there. happy? why you always gotta fedjacket over the dumbest shit
>>2533374>>2533368>I guess they log into their mossad-pads come 2nd shiftcalled it
>>2533412A US civil war means there is no NATO to fall back on, they would be as isolated as the Nazis with nowhere to run and would absolutely use nuclear weapons on their own land, it’s the logic of a child who breaks their toys so they don’t have to share, and this generation of the US ruling class is the most childish of all
>>2533401sure, just don't expect the empire to collapse over it
>>2533420Empires don’t collapse anymore, if they did, the UK would have balkanized a long time ago
>>2533424History has seen more than a few pretty violent ends to empires too. It's wierd to say that when the Soviet Union pretty much did, not that long ago
Realistically half the ruling class will flee to Europe, Japan, or Australia and fund whatever forces here will serve their interests; or if they stay here they'll hide in their doomsday bunkers protected by armed goons.
I expect Musk, Bezos, Buffet, Gates, and Zuckerberg to flee.
Meanwhile the only ones I see willing to nuke the continent are psychos like Peter Thiel and Alex Karp.
>>2533428If the US is in a civil war it’s because all the other countries you listed have also fallen
>>2532954you see, the only reason we have the incredibly means tested, constantly cut and more and more inaccessible social safety net is solely due to imperialism! If you want to make things better here, you must support imperialism!
>>2533395Ben Norton goes to great lengths to stress alarmism and doomsday predictions as being wrong. Given his frequent contact with Hudson I'd imagine he thinks the same way
>>2532885Lately, all of your posts are bad, my man.
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