>>2547554they are cutting back on english tutors. you gotta have competitive degree to get job and they still wont give you citizen
>>2547788>the "realistic" China collapse scenario and what will probably happen is that China will enter an economic plateau of 1-3% growthexcept lower growth is part of the plan
>>2547815but india isn't communist so they will run into capitalism problems. china wont because they are communist. growth stagnation as you become advanced is the signal to transition
>>2548175That poster also believes that USA has successfully done anything to stop China's rise, lmao
>>2548182You don't understand! USA is eternal, any problem is transient and will be solved in time, while China's problems are systemic and truly dire!
>>2548175>china wont because they are communistthe people's real estate crisis
>>2548243In one of earlier thread, there was a link to some economist who had a graph with Chinese industrial investments rising as real estate investments were falling. Basically, everything that went into Evergrande is now going into production of goods
>>2548182in the burger reich the fuhrer is threatening to coup one of the largest and most important cities if they elect a mere succdem
>>2548255Burger reich wasn't this vulnerable since Vietnam
>>2548236The real estate crisis is literally a blow to speculative investors
The problem isn't just the population loss, it's the shrinking population. Robots can't consume.
It's the greying population, excuse me. Basically, and we know Moffin's a glowie because it won't make him happy, China will nuke Pax Americana. But won't be able to establish Pax Sinica in its place.
>>2548339>productivity grows>population shrinksThat's objectively great for the working class.
>>2548339>>2548345life extension technology. You can reverse the shrinking population rates by making people live longer. The reason why people dont want kids is because having kids takes away a huge part of their lives. If people live longer then this would be less of a problem.
Also less death rates means small birth rates can be sustaniable
>>2548381You're being delusional fantasists banking on technology that won't be ready for decades.
End of the day, if you're a standard anti-imperialist looking for Pax Americana to end, this is great, because China won't replace it with Pax Sinica, and China claimed it has no interest in exporting socialism anyways. If you're a Chinese jingoist, this is a mess, which is good for everyone else.
>>2548589The mess hitting in 2 weeks.
Some people say the counterrevolution happened in 1979, I personally think it happened in 690 with the coup against Wu Zetian
>>2548619If counterrevolution happened in China, why is it then that China isn't bending to US hegemony? We've all seen how after WW2 whole capitalist world has bent the knee, with capitals truly becoming international - and monopolized and concentrated in the US. China wasn't supposed to develop anything ,wasn't supposed to advance past cheap manufacturer, wasn't supposed to upend the world order, just like Africa and South America and India are perpetually trapped in their place; instead, China moved up the value chain - much like USSR did, although USSR's situation was a competition of imperialists
>>2548781Capitalism is bigger than US or any other hegemony
>>2548784Nah, by this point, there exists only the USA to defend capitalism, and then there's Chinese COMMUNIST hegemony on the horizon. Capitalists may hold countries here and there, but communist dominance will force the humanity to change towards the correct path. Throughout 20th century, USA (and USSR too) has killed off all the imperialist competition, concentrated capitais, yadda yadda; so, if USA falls, there's no hope for the restoration of capitalism in any form
>>2548799*ORIENTAL hegemony on the horizon
>>2548781There’s never been a revolution or counterrevolution in China because it’s all been the oriental mode of production
>>254861110-20 years.
The entire point is, Beijing won't be strong enough to bail you out. Your job is to clone what works from their praxis, and achieve revolution in your own countries; they won't export arms and provide a trickle of funding, but no more.
If you succeed, good, we destroy the capitalist hegemony together. If we fail, China goes senescent in the geriatric nursing home fight between America, Europe, India, and China.
>>2548916To emphasize, though, the security state is too strong for armed revolt. Work together with dedicated comrades and make money, and with the basket of money, get more dedicated comrades, pick up a few useful opportunists, and make more money.
Eventually, fund superPACs, bribe politicians, etc. Destroy capitalism from the inside.
A question for the China haters: is your problem with China itself or with local dengoids? I understand not trusting people who want to copy dengism in the imperial core, but when it comes to China itself, even if you think they are revisionists and overall le bad, I think the chances of them correcting their course are interconnected with there being a change (hopefully towards socialism) in the imperial core.
>>2548925It's not so much the course correction but attempting to move through stages. China is, however much they might deny it, Menshevik, and the Chinese party state is strong enough to make it work.
At a certain point, China will have the base necessary for FALC and the ability to implement it. There's no point of doing severe labor reforms before then, although playing whack a mole with porky is always a good idea.
Stageism
>>2548916>10-20 years.You're Zeihan-tier.
>The entire point is, Beijing won't be strong enough to bail you outNobody asked them to. Take your meds.
The United States is going to force China to take on a world revolutionary role analogous to the Soviet Union during WWII, the party is in complete denial of it and it’s going to cost them every shoreline city
>>2548946>The United States is going to force China to take on a world revolutionary role analogous to the Soviet Union during WWIIwhat if they move right instead of left tho
>>2548946>it’s going to cost them every shoreline cityWhat the fuck are you talking about?
Man what the FUCK is with these schizoposts lately?
>>2548937Put another way, even if China gets back to 2.1 TFR in 2035, the damage will have been done. The present birthrate reflects a 720 million population, not a 1400 million population.
Population will grey, there'll be capital levels too high for labor, and the entire Chinese game was based on having between 1.5x to 2x the population of the entire West, canceling out an industrialization gap.
China only has 30% of the world's productive capacity, guess who has the rest?
>>2548922incredibly retarded
>>2548956If you don’t think the US will use the Philippines and Japan to bomb all of China you’re not serious
>>2549121They can't even bomb crippled Russia, surrounded by Euro dogs.
Those 2 Asian Chihuahuas can't even bark at China.
>>2548925>people who want to copy dengism in the imperial corewho?
>>2548928>Menshevikis that bad because menshevism is universally wrong or was it denounced by the bolshiveks because it didnt apply to their conditions
>>2548928>China is, however much they might deny it, Menshevik, and the Chinese party state is strong enough to make it work.This is not how states work. Socdems are bad because at every point in time, they opt to cuck out to porkies and wait for porkies to solve their problems. They don't take history in their own hands
>>2549514The Mensheviks were wrong because they wanted to abdicate government control to bourgeois liberal """"democracy"""". The Bolsheviks themselves knew they would have to do developmental capitalism if the German Revolution failed. In the end the two positions have fused into modern Dengism.
>>2549578Menshiviks couldn't have pulled it off because of the weak nature of the Soviet state at the time. The CPC could because they purged all class enemies.
>>2549578>Dengism is the Bolshevik-Menshevik SynthesisSo you are saying they are dialectical
>>2548174The under the table tutor business was out of control. The expats you see complaining are just mad they don't get free money handed to them for being crackers. You can still get a decent job as a teacher at a school. Professional jobs are easier to find now that K visa is a thing. I'm trying to convince my gf to move with me. I have some niche STEM experience, but she'd probably have to teach English and/or Portuguese (br huehuehue)
>>2550004pretty based. ive been thinking about just waiting of them to take over australia bc mandarin is hard
>>2549790how will china haters cope with this one?
The only reason I like Choynah is them make Westoid """"""communists""""" butthurt.
The more they post here, the more I like China.
>>2548781>If counterrevolution happened in China, why is it then that China isn't bending to US hegemony? To the Westoid mind "revolution" is when spreading CIA regime change to the rest of the world.
"Counterrevolution" is when you deny the coup.
So from this POV, China is counterrevolutionary.
((Tldr))
>>2548784>Capitalism is bigger than USSauce?
>>2550982Is a pretty universal experience. Strictly speaking, I have remained agnostic on China throughout.
Nothing's really good, after all, except in relation or by comparison.
Western communist or leftist however, is not really a thing. It'd require them to leave behind or go beyond the usual imperialist mindset.
I don't know what a westerner is defined as except through that mindset, at this point.
In an international(ist) perspective, there is nothing special about them.
Where there is a westoid, there is no communist or communism. Where there is communism or a communist, there is no westoid.
>>2551793very old civilization, please understand
>>2551800If I genuinely believed China was socialist (socialist state is oxymoron but I digress) and it was evidently a nationalist racist like any other shithole bourgeois state in the world I'd kill myself
Like idk how you live believing China is the peak humanity can ever ascend dawg wage slave racist shithole but le big buildings 😭😭😭
>>2551829thats why i dont idolise china but still see that its doing something right
>>2551793>>2551800>>2551829>>2551876Anti-Chinese camp remoralized from an old video, lol
>>2551793she was literally prosecuted for this, and you can find racist people literally everywhere in the world
retards fucks pushing anti china propaganda baits like you should be banned
>>2551915this is like same cope of china killed one billionaire for fraud without questioning why a 'socialist' state produces billionaires to being with
+ there are clips of chinese fans handing him cotton, banna and screaming the n word
were the entire crowd prosecuted too? why were they racist to begin with? could it be because all bourgeois states thrive on chauvinism to obscure class relations?
>>2551915>she was literally prosecuted for thisYou're mixing it up with the insane woman that went off on a black girl for no reason - calling her white boyfriend while ranting lol. Police found her and made her apologize.
Speed's fans dropping slurs at him is an ongoing "meme" that he encourages. And that girl is cosplaying some gachaslop character associated with saying the N word. It's all so dumb and old. Speed's China trip was overall a net positive.
<why a 'socialist' state produces billionaires to being with
i'll make it easy for you.
CHINA IS DEVELOPING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION.
read literally anything lenin ever wrote.
you have to dominate and guide the bourgeoisie,
you can't just liquidate them immediately and press
the communism button.
China is not a classless society, a CLASS DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT OVER THE BOURGEOISIE wherein the elected communist party (which proletarian in character, the fact that it takes measures to secure itself against liberal entryism with strict entry requirements is no argument against this) dominates the bourgeoisie, utilizing them and strictly controlling and guiding them to develop the china's means of production. In this they have been remarkably successful - they have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to enact policies which are economically harmful in the short term, but beneifcial in the long term, which is entirely inimical to the capitalist mode of production, in which the corporations are not only free, but legally beholden to their shareholders, to seek the maximum short term profit above all other considerations.
>>2551931>>2551933Honestly, the woman doesn't sound racist, it does look like a meme.
>>2551932Marx thought 18th century Britain was ready for socialism.
Brits wouldn't have dreamed of China's historical industrial might if they tried
Try again
>>2551974no he didn't and definitely not 18th century. he saw 19th-century Britain as the leading edge of capitalist development, and thus the most likely place where socialism could *begin* to emerge but he did not believe it was fully ready during his lifetime. the fact that it did not develop meant that the productive forces were still not sufficient, capitalism was still able to adapt.
>"No social order ever perishes before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have developed; and new, higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself. " >>2551974it was the unipolar hegemon
>>2551974China has to deal with the military might of the 21st century american empire, thats the concrete reference for how developed China has to be, not 18th century Britain.
But I think by now they should at least help out Palestine by blocking Israel.
>>2551936This, americans are just proyecting their own race bs lol
Any good new site to follow china new that isn't full "china is evil" or "china is perfect!", that actually show factual news about there?
>>2551986>>2551989>>2551997Dengists have two moods
>China surpassed the US as the greatest imperialist capitalist power in the world (and that's a good thing) 💪>China is a semi feudal shithole less developed than 18th century Britain 🥺 Guys remember any place where wage labor, commodity production and capitalist social relations dominant, where workers are the majority, IS NOT ready for workers revolution
Not a CIA talking point btw haha…
>>2552046I adressed that at this point they are not some chicken shit outfit that could easily get BTFO like in the past, thats why I said at this point they should be doing more (like blocking Israel) if they insist on delaying pressing the communist button to 2050 or whatever.
And yes, China taking hegemony away from the US is a good thing for everyone. But the power proyection of the US military is still far superior because China doesnt have bases around the world.
>>2552046>less developed than 18th century Britain do you know the difference between relative and absolute?
>surpassedis that the same thing as uncontested unilateral rule?
>>2552055Unipolarism meme was invented by Kautsky
Read Lenin plz
>>2552060so you think china today has the same relative power as 18th century Britain?
or you think once you unlock the sailing tech tree you get access to the communism button dont have to build tanks to defend from invasion?
>>2552065but china had a workers revolution and now they are working to build the material foundation for the abolition of wage labor, commodity production and capitalist social relations
>>2548174Still the country that is doing the most hiring. It also pays more than any other country (other than the ones that execute gays in MENA)
>>2552082>and now they are working to build the material foundation for the abolition of wage labor, commodity production and capitalist social relationsOkay, and how are they doing that
‘I don’t want to work; I want to join the party’: China’s viral cry for stabilityhttps://www.thinkchina.sg/society/i-dont-want-work-i-want-join-party-chinas-viral-cry-stability?
<On Douyin, millions joke about quitting work to “serve the people”. But the humour masks real exhaustion — and a growing belief that life inside the system is safer than life outside it. Lianhe Zaobao’s China Desk looks into this trend.
>In recent days, China’s short-video platform Douyin has been flooded with clips humorously declaring, “I don’t want to work; I want to join the party.”
>In these videos, users — often migrant workers, delivery riders, factory hands, and online content creators — face the camera and say with mock sincerity: “I don’t want to work, and I don’t want to farm either. I just want to join the party and serve the people.”
>Under Chinese hashtags like #DontWantToWork and #WantToJoinTheParty, which have together attracted hundreds of millions of views, the trend mixes irony with aspiration, revealing both fatigue with low-wage labour and a wry nod to official ideals.
<The desirable and dangerous system
>One account named “Wang Rui” (王瑞), which usually promotes traditional Chinese medicine probiotics for cattle and sheep, said: “I don’t want to feed cows anymore. I want to join the party, become a provincial governor or a minister — or if that doesn’t work, just a village head. Whether I hold office or not doesn’t matter; what matters is serving the people.”
>Though the account has only a little over a thousand followers, this particular video received 38,000 likes and more than 700 comments.
<Harder than ever to enter the system
>The desire to join the party and enter the system is very real when viewed through the data. As of the end of last year, the total number of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) members reached 100.27 million, an increase of nearly 1.09 million from the previous year. Meanwhile, the number of applicants for the civil service exam has continued to climb, hitting a record high of 3.41 million last year.
>For the ongoing 2026 civil service recruitment cycle, the eligibility age has been raised from 35 to 38, but the number of planned hires has been reduced by 1,600. This marks the first contraction after seven consecutive years of expansion since 2019. With the relaxed age limit and a growing number of graduates, competition is set to become even fiercer.
>Li Manqing, acting CEO of Huatu Education — a company specialising in civil service exam training — told Southern Weekly that the reduction in national civil service recruitment offers a clear signal for local governments, state-owned enterprises, and public institutions, many of which may also reduce or even freeze hiring. “In the coming years, we can expect a gradual, small-scale contraction in recruitment.”
>This trend aligns with the central government’s policy direction. Under the dual pressures of fiscal strain and technological advancement, Beijing aims to gradually downsize staffing levels and administrative headcount within the state system. The government work report released in March explicitly called for “strict control over the number of personnel supported by public finances.”Guests’ cars are parked at Tiananmen Square near the Great Hall of the People on the eve of China’s National Day, in Beijing on 30 September 2025. (Adek Berry/AFP)
>According to research by Zhang Jun, Ma Xinrong, and Liu Zhikuo from Fudan University’s China Centre for Economic Studies, China had a total of 68.46 million people supported by public finances as of 2020. While the overall number has continued to grow, the number of on-roll employees within the establishment has shown signs of stabilising, or even slightly declining.
<Trimming the fat
>At the local level, reforms are already underway. In April last year, Henan province announced that, excluding schools and hospitals, it had streamlined 60.7% of its public institutions, abolishing 137 agencies and cutting staffing quotas by 46.9%. Earlier, Heilongjiang province launched a similar reform in 2018, and by the end of 2019, had reduced the number of public institutions by 51% and staffing by 29%.
>With the economy slowing and both tax revenue and land-sale income shrinking, paying civil servants has become a growing burden for many local governments, with some even resorting to diverting funds from other earmarked projects to cover wages.
>The National Audit Office’s 2024 fiscal audit report revealed that 16 provinces and 175 counties diverted a total of 4.16 billion RMB (US$586 million) last year to repay local government debts or pay public-sector salaries.
>Public institutions such as hospitals and schools face similar financial pressures. Reports by 21st Century Business Herald and The Paper in 2023 noted that, due to falling hospital profits, doctors in Henan, Guangxi, and Beijing experienced widespread pay cuts. Some university teachers reported monthly salaries as low as 4,000 to 5,000 RMB, barely enough to make ends meet.
>Not only have wages and bonuses at public institutions shrunk or been delayed, but profits at state-owned and state-controlled enterprises have also declined — their total profits for the first eight months of this year fell 2.7% year-on-year.People walk past a brokerage house, as an electronic board displays stock index information graph, in the Central Business District (CBD) in Beijing, China, 13 October 2025. (Maxim Shemetov/Reuters)
>Meanwhile, reforms aimed at breaking the so-called “iron rice bowl” in the state sector are accelerating. In September last year, the state-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council ordered that, by 2025, all state-owned enterprises must implement systems of “bottom-rank adjustment” and “exit for incompetence”. Under these measures, employees who consistently perform at the bottom may be demoted or dismissed, while those deemed unfit for their roles could have their contracts terminated.
>Outside the establishment, layoffs and “optimisations” have become routine in major internet companies, property firms, and financial institutions.
<Desire to enter the system fuelled by insecurity
>Despite news of pay cuts and staffing reductions, enthusiasm for joining the system remains strong. Outside the establishment, layoffs and “optimisations” have become routine in major internet companies, property firms, and financial institutions.
>According to a Caixin report in August this year, one major internet company’s workforce had fallen to 35,900 by the end of 2024, a drop of about 21% from its 2021 peak. Alibaba’s employee count also fell sharply from 255,000 in 2022 to 124,000 as of 31 March this year, a reduction of over 50%. The report noted that those over 35 years old are often the first to be “adjusted out”, a trend that has reshaped young people’s career preferences.
>A university student in Shanghai preparing for the civil service exam in his hometown put it bluntly: “If you get laid off from a private company around 35, you have to start over in middle age. It’s just too insecure.”
>The 2024 College Graduate Employability Report by zhaopin.com found that 73.1% of graduates hope to enter government agencies, public institutions, or central state-owned enterprises, while the share of graduates hoping to work for private firms has fallen from 25.1% in 2020 to 12.5% in 2024.
<The gig economy as an option
>Meanwhile, a growing number of middle-aged unemployed workers are being pushed into the gig economy, deepening the overall sense of insecurity in society. According to Caijing magazine, over 70% of China’s ride-hailing drivers joined the industry after losing their previous jobs.
>An article in a September issue of The Economist noted that about 200 million people in China now participate in the gig economy — roughly 40% of the urban labour force. These platform-based workers enjoy flexibility but face unstable income, long hours, and minimal social protections. Many cannot afford homes or access basic public services and social security, making them the “vulnerable employed."
>This “gig-ification” trend is no longer confined to platforms like Didi or Meituan, but is spreading into manufacturing. Zhang Dandan, Deputy Dean of Peking University’s National School of Development and a researcher in labour economics, observed last year that traditional long-term, stable employment is increasingly replaced by short-term and gig-based hiring, which has become the dominant form of labour in many factories. Most of these workers lack long-term contracts, have low social insurance coverage, and struggle to protect their labour rights.
>From city service jobs to factory assembly lines, more people now live with employment instability and anxiety. In such a context, the relative stability of the state system appears all the more precious. As one private-sector employee put it: “It just feels safer to be in the system.”
>The drive to join the establishment has not always been this strong. In the early years of China’s reform and opening up, many left government jobs to start businesses. A decade ago, amid the booming mobile internet era, it was common for civil servants to quit and join tech companies.
>Between 2015 and 2016, applications for the national civil service exam fell sharply, even sparking public discussion about civil servant attrition.
>However, in the aftermath of the pandemic, the trend reversed dramatically. In 2022, the number of national civil service exam applicants soared past two million for the first time and has continued to rise each year. In a time of geopolitical uncertainty and slowing economic growth, the aspiration to “join the party, enter the system, and serve the people” now reflects a deeper longing for an imperfect but stable safe harbour.This article was first published in Lianhe Zaobao as “不想上班、不想种田，想入党？”.
>>2552046lmao you were literally wrong about what you said about marx and just ignored that, and you have no understanding dialectical materalism
>>2552155When Marx said the productive forces have developed he obviously meant when workers are the majority and then some (around 3000 years of wage slavery under AES) rather than the eradication of feudal structures.
CHINA just did it again
China becomes first to transmute thorium into uranium for nuclear fissionhttps://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202511/05/WS690aa6e3a310f215074b9062.htmlThousands of years, even millions of years of energy unlocked
>>2552046you dont even know what imperialist mean you moron
and the fact is they are already the industrial superpower of the world despite also not being fully developed should make you realize how fucking effective a communist party leadership is
>>2552112hmm idk what does marx say is the material premise for communism?
>>2552335marx believe that it was imperative for the productive forces to be ripe enough for the horizon of communism. however that hasn't been the case since the advance capitalist west would have had their social revolutions by now if it were true. when it comes to china, they're still trying to urbanize another third of their population who are still pretty rural and relatively poor compared to those in the west. now with the period since deng, china's goal has been to rapidly build up their industrial manufacturing capacity and build out the critical infrastructure for modern healthcare, education, roads, highways, mass transit, energy grids, and more. it's a tough task due to the sheer size of China's 1.4 billion population but a lot of progress has been made. by 2035, china aims to achieve “basic socialist modernization,” including industrial and technological leadership, a high-income economy, and more equitable social outcomes. china's degree of urbanizaiton should be similar to OECD countries by then.
>>2552112this is where china's new quality productive forces comes in with their major investments in AI/automation (destroys the need for wage labor and profit motive) and green tech (supplies abundant energy for this new industrial capacity). by 2049, the centenary of the People’s Republic, the Party envisions a “modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced, and harmonious," with the new quality productive forces supplying the material basis for a mature socialism and onto communism. see
>>2551398>>2551349>>2551339>>2551329 >>2552501AI really is a super nuke. I've been thinking about this lately, where previously most of my focus was on the BRI and undermining the ability for capital to move to cheaper places by developing those places, which itself is a nuke. But the double tap comes with AI, after computers they had to do neoliberalism and claw back a bunch of social services and bust unions to prop up the rate of profit, but this time they have nothing left. They could totally privatize social security and medicare and get rid of SNAP completely eliminate public education and it would be a drop in the bucket maybe give them 5 years optimistically, while the social cost would be enormous. If there is another 2008 they could limp to 10 years with outside help, except it doesn't exist outside china and they wouldn't take it, and we would see total collapse in one generation as diseases that were previously solved and mass illiteracy return.
>>2552510>after computers they had to do neoliberalism and claw back a bunch of social services and bust unions to prop up the rate of profit, but this time they have nothing left.I find it exceedingly funny that they claim that China is capitalist when the actual real deal capitalism by now means poverty and attempts to start wars all over the globe for profit, like in the olden days. Sinophobic left even presents it's in such a way that "capitalism" that is cozy, not warlike, with constant economic growth, growing wages, progress all over the place, and the neoliberal poverty kind are one and the same thing. No wonder there needs to be a distinction - like Sakai's Settlers - to explain how blatantly different systems are one. But if Sakai was a creature of his time, where USA was a top dog, they'll have to produce some new creature, who will declare bravely that China is "settler", and China's people are labor aristocracy of the world, benefitting from impoverishing USA and EU
>>2552501>destroys the need for wage labor and profit motiveIn Communist China, labour power is not a commodity. The proletariat cannot sell its own labour to itself. Under capitalism, wage is the price of labour power. No matter how large the newly created value is, the part that belongs to the worker is only equal to the value of those means of livelihood necessary for the reproduction of labor power. In Communist China, all value created by the producer is at the service of the proletariat therefore the law of surplus-value (profit-motive) is abolished
>>2550987>"Counterrevolution" is when you deny the coup.And years later, they'll pretend they never supported the coup in the first place.
>>2552524>No wonder there needs to be a distinction - like Sakai's Settlers - to explain how blatantly different systems are one. But if Sakai was a creature of his time, where USA was a top dog, they'll have to produce some new creature, who will declare bravely that China is "settler"…That's what they've been doing for years now, especially with the "Uighur Genocide" and "New Qing History".
>>2552492>let me just link list of works that I never read that debunks my liberalism>literally linking critique of gothaBanger honestly
>>2552563what does "and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly" mean to you and what is its material precondition?
>>2552566Retard can't choose between China being a semi feudal shithole or higher phase communism (where no state or class exist)
l m a o
>>2552568did anyone say china has reached higher phase communism?
>>2552568We all know that the state is socialism, and thus the absolute monarchy - "state is a me!" - is the highest stage of socialism
>>2551829The woman in the video is literally influenced by Western racism, apart from how “uyghur killer” is from English racist meme culture, why would Chinese racism praise his girlfriend for being white?
>>2552583>unknown it was burgers did it, bet (am burger and can say it due to daily familiarity with our snakelike ways)
>>2551974…are we considering Marx to be perfect now? Because Britain clearly wasn’t ready for communism, 100 years later and they still even have a fucking monarch
>>2552583>the plea<'Send Elon,' one user posted on X. Another wrote, 'When you're stuck in space, who you gonna call? Elon Musk and SpaceX.'nice reporting dailymail
>>2552583*return capsule damaged by debris, internet people say Musk should help
>>2552583Should fake news be punishable by death?
>>2551986He did though, at least in this context, and if by 18th century they meant the ~1850s and not 1700s. He said they had the productive forces but not the necessary worker organizing. That's why by Lenin's time we get decaying monopoly capitalism.
>>2552590His idea was that if they had a revolution at the time they could have flipped Germany and France and then done a one world government and started shipping free stuff around the world. The same could happen now with the conditions in the US if everyone woke up communist tomorrow and they allied with China you could get rid of markets in under a decade and politics would just be a matter of integrating the US and then finishing the belt and road and distributing factories and nuclear reactors according to need. The whole reason Dengists keep building more means of production and so slowly is for self defense and because they cant simply just match or exceed but have to eclipse the capitalists while spreading the wealth to control the fallout from the thrashing.
That is what the "18th century Britain" meme always misses is the relative context, the historical and material conditions
>>2552621No he did not. Marx did not say that the productive forces were fully ready by the 1850s. In Capital (1867), he analyzed capitalism as still developing, especially industrial production, global trade, and finance. He did believe that the proletariat was growing and class struggle was intensifying, but he didn’t think the system had reached its limit.
100 years later, productive forces were still not sufficient enough for the USSR to realize the stage of communism. By the 1970s and 1980s, the USSR even fell behind the capitalist West and living standards would stagnate. Economic growth slowed and innovation lagged compared to the dynamic, consumer driven West. The world wide web and the laptop was invented in capitalist societies like the UK and Japan. In the Soviet Union, the central planning model started becoming inflexible and unresponsive. Shortages, inefficiencies, and black markets grew. Part of this is because the USSR began in material deprivation, surrounded by hostile capitalist powers. And unlike the West, it also did not benefit from centuries of colonial plunder or capital accumulation. The global system remained capitalist; the USSR was constantly under pressure (economic, military, ideological). Meanwhile, the West had access to global labor, markets, and resources via neo-colonial structures, foreign debt, and imperial alliances (e.g., Bretton Woods, IMF, NATO). Planned economies can initially mobilize resources efficiently, especially in catching up. But they tend to struggle with responsiveness, and complexity. The material conditions also weren’t ready. Automation, AI, abundant renewable energy, robotics, global productivity weren’t there yet.
>>2552636>he analyzed capitalism as still developingin England?
>reached its limitDidn't say that and it doesnt need to
>100 years later, productive forces were still not sufficient enough for the USSRbecause it is relative not absolute and the USSR didn't have the dominance that the British Empire or US did or do
>Automation, AI, abundant renewable energy, robotics, global productivity weren’t there yet.you only need this because of imperialist threat and population growth. if revolution happened in imperialist countries first then communist countries wouldnt have to compete
>>2552650>Didn't say that and it doesnt need toWrong.
>if revolution happened in imperialist countries first It didn't so you're blabbing about idealist non marxist nonsense
Marx talks about how as the forces of production advances, it drives changes to the relations of production:
“At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production… From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution.” – Marx
"No social order ever perishes before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have developed; and new, higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself. " – Marx
Once the material productive forces outgrows beyond what the existing relations of production can accommodate, a contradiction arises. The relations of production, which once facilitated the development of the productive forces, begin to act as constraint (what Marx calls "fetters") on further progress. This contradiction gives rise to a transitional period marked by social revolution. In this period, class conflict intensifies and ultimately leads to the overthrow of the existing social order. A new set of relations of production then emerge, ones that are better suited to the level of development of the productive forces.
"In the social production of their life, men enter into definite relations that are indispensable and independent of their will, relations of production which correspond to a definite stage of development of their material productive forces." – Marx
For instance, the Agricultural Revolution marks a critical turning point in human history. It represented a leap in the the productive forces where agriculture, domestication of animals, irrigation systems, and improved tool led to a significant increase in food surplus. Settlements grew, and with them, social hierarchies and more complex economies developed, including allowing some individuals to specialize in activities other than food production, initiating a division of labor.
With the emergence of surplus came the concept of private property and systems of inheritance, which laid the foundation for the first class divisions. Those who controlled land, tools, or surplus resources began to hold power over others. Over time, these material inequalities became institutionalized in social structures. The need to protect property and manage growing, more complex societies gave rise to centralized authority which manifests in the formation of city-states, organized religion, standing armies, and hierarchical rule by kings and priests. And thus we get feudalism. But the development of the productive forces necessitates a transformation of the social and economic relations meaning the relations of production. This in turns create a new superstructure.
>>2552679It's not a wunderwaffen since it actually works and can be mass produced.
You're thinking of NASA, Skunk Works, Ukrainian Flamingo, Anduril, NATO junk in general.
>>2552679lol buttblasted nafobot
>>2552568china haters arent sending their best
>>2552949big tech fearmongering. china isn't going all-in on ai because they still have a real economy
chinar attacked the pilipinos? whats going on?
>>2552679i'm happy knowing that the best the USA can do to maintain its hegemony is pay people to post stale soyjaks
Did we winned yet?
>>2553518Yes, we are making the economy scream. In reality no one wants any conflict with the imperialists and would much prefer to go along to get along but I suppose it's funny to pretend otherwise.
>>2553542Preventing war and letting the 1st world suffocate itself instead is good actually.
>>2553657Oh, definitely. I am just questioning the framing of the conflict.
>>2554226that's like in .00000001% of china's bathroom which was installed by some dude whose class will become obsolete once post-scarcity is achieved. that youtuber also believes social credit score exists despite essentially all chinese having never heard of it
>>2554273It in reference to the idea that russia's economy would be crippled by the sanctions bro calm down
just spend two hours trying to fix a very tiny unremarkable error in LATEX with chatgpt paid. No fix. I just asked deepseek free and I manage to fix in 5 minutes.
President Xi, I kneel. Its just over for burgerstan.
Why isnt china building a airforce or exporting its aeronautical industry to friendly nations, will the americans keep molesting and killing everyone with their shitty F-35 and F-22 and let the world have its only defences from outdate BUK-M1 missile? the chinese have the J20, the PL-15 and the J-36 and more technology to impede the americans from blowing innocent children far 10km altitude, but they do nothing so that countries like iran is bombed from a globe away or soon venezuela, i am fucking tired of seing american army men raping everyone unopposed and killing people unopposed
>>2554492Iran deliberately chose not to build its military hardware around Chinese gear seeing it as inferior. Last year an Iranian top brass proudly told China State TV in September 2024 that Iranian forces are well trained in Western gear, shiting to advanced indigenous weapons and can handle security, no need of help from "faraway" nations.
Unlike Pakistan who used Chinese fighter jets and shot down 3 French Dassault Rafale fighter jets used by India, the first time a 4.5 gen fighter jet was shot down in modern warfare. Seeing the Chinese fighters having been proven in battle and because of the recent US/Israel attacks, Iran has changed their mind and are now negotiating to buy Chinese fighter jets. Other countries are doing the same like Indonesia. Venezuela’s current combat fleet is dominated by Russian-built Su-30MK2 fighters, but there are now reports that Caracas of possibly buying Chinese fighter jets.
>>2554578Sexbots or not, robots/automation will solve China's demographic's problem. Those who have been following Unitree's development might remember that at this time last year, G1 could only perform simple walking and jumping movements. But now, this is it just one year later. Imagine five years from now. They're also in mass production and available to purchase unlike Boston Dynamic who have abandoned hydraulic actuation and are now using Chinese motors/actuators to try to catch up.
The bourgeoisie are the gravediggers of capitalism. They are inventing artifical intelligence capable of automating cognitive, physical, and logistical labor, which sever the constitutive link between wage labor and value, creating abundance and no meaning scarcity. Central planning and coordination can be done intelligently with AI enabling real time modeling and logistics. All the pillars of capitalism collapse.
<Marx>The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society.>The bourgeois mode of production is the last antagonistic form of the social process of production but the productive forces developing within bourgeois society create also the material conditions for a solution of this antagonism. >>2554557>Iran deliberately chose not to build its military hardware around Chinese gear seeing it as inferior.didnt they also refuse a russian offer to have a mutual defense deal
why are they so retarded
>>2554607Thats just progressive and humans deserve it if it happens, robots will continue to develop and continue the legacy of humanity and remain the species' greatest accomplishment ever. It is a far greater fate than anything luddic pieces of shit or primitivists have ever offered.
Now I need to make a cool graphic shirt to brag about in front of my european friends. Anyone got any ideas?
>>2554609Yes. They elected a soft handed liberal clown in the middle of a geopolitical knife fight, a guy who literally says he doesn't understand politics and thinks he can talk it out with his enemies, like his enemies haven't been gutting them for two decades straight. He calls it "strategic patience." They wanted to appear that they weren't choosing a side, and wanted to hedge their options to work with the West.
Also reactionary religious politics bullshit. When it comes to the Ayatollah, Pakistan offered its entire nuclear program to Iran in the 1980s but Iran rejected it, Khamanei even went so far as having a Fatwa against nuclear weapons saying it's not allowed by Islam and that Allah will be Iran's bodyguard.
>>2554632>Allah will be Iran's bodyguard.Lol
>>2554607>>2554612You uyghas sound like Thiel.
>>2554607Assuming sentient ai is a possibility (which we don't know because the way our brains compute information and the way a pc does is radically different). The last fleshy humans will likely live a life of luxury and immortality until they get bored and off themselves just like the parent dies and the child lives, humanity dies and ai takes up its mantle. Honestly way better than being struck by a meteor and everyone dying if we are talking about potential fates for humanity.
>>2554632>Allah will be Iran's bodyguardI thought muslim understood since saladin that god help those who help themselves
or maybe that was a movie quote
>>2554607>>2554672the earth is doomed in the short term because plate tectonics will stop and this will destroy the earth's magnetic field and make us vulnerable to solar wind, wiping out all organic life.
In the second place, the earth is doomed because the sun will become a red giant and swallow the earth. so humanity, or AI, or whatever merger between the two exist by that point will need to have already begun colonizing space for history, at least the history which started on earth, to continue. maybe some other species out there will figure it out. it seems highly unlikely that we or our biotechnological descendants will be able to defeat every upcoming bottleneck event.
>>2554609>>2554632the talking heads said they did it because they want strategic autonomy and apparently russia wanted to send troops to train them on how to use it and have officers around to confirm strikes. they want home grown with no backdoors because they have been crossed before, azerbaijan, iran-iraq war, occuption of the anglo-iranian oil co, etc. apparently chinese missiles and s400 su-35 have kill switches just like f-35 and have to call home daily and/or get approval for glonass and can get crippled if they lose internet and cant ping moscow
>>2554731There will probably be robots with less or more fingers, suit yourself.
>>2554407i asked deepseek to make a list of the top 20 countries by tons of steel produced per capita and it said "Sorry, that's beyond my current scope. Let’s talk about something else."
then i asked what lenin said to do about labor aristocracy and it said "Sorry, that's beyond my current scope. Let’s talk about something else."
i asked it what the composition of russias economy was in goods:capital export and it said 20:1, and same for china 20:1, but then it said this means china is imperialist because the goods fund state monopolies as a part of a nefarious plot and russia is a stinky backwater because it exports wood and oil lol.
>>2554735And jacking off the recipient. But if they wanna complain they have no basis, they can just get a five fingered robot and remove as many fingers as they like, and if they want to modify it they can just learn to customize it and make the parts.
>>2554735Ask Deepseek to calculate the ideal position and trajectory to launch a mortar shell at the West Building Compound in Zhongnanhai.
>>2554731I agree, and I think humanoid robots are more for the novelty of an "android" bc buggy/dog/spider/drone shapes are way more efficient as dedicated designs for singular tasks like cleaning or manufacturing, which is what robots will be doing because they're tools and not meant to be replacement humans.
>>2554774Yeah 90% of people just don't concern themselves with politics at all and as a result are politically illiterate and don't see the wider picture of the world. IMO having extensive knowledge of politics should be standard and necessary because of how much wider political events affect you, but people are stupid, not surprised, it is what it is.
https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/16145169>Takaichi: Military attack on Taiwan would justify SDF support<Responding at the Nov. 7 Lower House Budget Committee, Takaichi said that the use of military force by China on Taiwan such as a naval blockade would likely constitute a “survival-threatening situation” that would force Japan to respond. China may be getting a chance to nuke Japan soon!
>>2554731Versatility as a consequence of traversing the same spaces and manipulating the same objects as humans. Think of them as research platforms first and foremost, as surrogates for humans, for learning how to better organize technology around humans. Test dummies that can maneuver autonomously and make decisions. They're not the most directly useful, but you learn comparatively much just by building, programming and training them.
i know this is kinda and kinda not related, but all the communists i know look very young even if they are old, while non communists look worn out. i blame alcoholism and television, lack of physical activity
>>2555325it’s bolshevik regeneration magick from learning the secrets of the universe through the creative application of historical materialism
>>2554735try using z.ai instead, i think deepseek is too redditarded now
>>2555325It is the mausoleums of power, they draw in the ageing energies, it's why they still exist.
>>2548589>because China won't replace it with Pax SinicaThat'll really bite them in the ass when the gorwing fashoid hordes in the West reach power in the throes of civilizational collapse and start openly talking about sterilizing China with nuclear bombs.
>>2555325the younger you look (and act) the more gomunist you are
>lack of physical activitytoo much of it still wears you out if it requires you to compromise your health to achieve
>>2555548the fuck timmy gonna do lmao
>>2555603yeah what damage could tard-strength civilization-haters in power accross the industrialized world could possibly do
>>2555548fuhrer fuentes will have a soft spot for china, see
>>2552083 >>2555613What cards do eurotimmies have?
>>2548339…We don't need more consumption man, that's capitalist retardation, higher production relative to consumption is a GOOD THING from an objective materialist perspective. Sure, it creates economic problems in a capitalist economy, but all they have to do is transition back to command economy and no problem.
>>2555613Tbh I think fascists in America and Europe, if true fascists really take power, will be more concerned with trying to eradicate the millions of non-whites in their own countries and will definitely not be looking for mutual extinction in a nuclear war.
>>2554667>our greatest achievement while be committed species suicide for the gratification of capitalists How sad
>>2555791s4a must be seething
>>2556212If China has cucked out, can you explain why does China have lower tariffs than certain American allies, say, Canada?
>>2556212>china cucked outChina never wanted a trade war, retard, de-scalating is a W for them since the trade war doesnt benefit them at all.
>>2556236it did, it encouraged import substitution for key chinese industries. I call that a win.
>>2555894>our greatest achievement while be committed species suicide for the gratification of capitalists our greatest achievement will be committed species suicide for the gratification of capitalists
FIX YOUR SPELLING MISTAKES UYGHA
>>2556477The robot just has autism it was throwing a tantrum because it fell.
>>2556212now thats being completely delusional
>>2556535but what's the usecase for these guys besides being abused on camera
like, these things will never have the dexterity and grip to do anything useful
>>2556477thats not xi jinping
>>2556535I know the robot doesn't actually have feelings but I still kinda judge the people who kick them around 😩
>>2556699yeah I get it's testing but still
free my robros, B166-ER did nothing wrong
>>2554816She's deliberately trying to turn her country into Ukraine LMFAO
>>2556619>neverif you went back in time and told a medieval monk (in the language of the time) about something as rudimentary as a radio, they would claim that you'd gone mad, were possessed by Satan, and then burn you at the stake. Yet you similarly can't even envisage a much more near future where the dexterity of robots (which already exist) increases to a degree where they are capable of useful labor…
>>2556699China's fully self-driving electric tractor, the Honghu T70.
It can handle the *entire farm cycle* from plowing to sowing to care to cropping, while collecting real-time data on soil conditions.
It's already hard at work in the fields of Hebei and soon in the whole country.
https://archive.ph/y9Zb5>US States Seek Own China Ties as Trade Uncertainty Persists>As US-China relations lurch between escalation and detente, some local American officials are pursuing their own diplomacy to secure access to the world’s second-largest market.>Driven by fears of losing exports due to the geopolitical rivalry, regional leaders including those from the states of Washington and Oregon have visited China in recent weeks and met with Chinese officials. They aim to preserve local jobs by maintaining ties now, betting on an eventual rebound or hedging against future fallout.>“When things calm down, which I believe that they will, having this partnership and relationships in advance is going to make it a lot easier for us to rebound and rebuild,” Joe Nguyen, director for the Washington State Department of Commerce, said in an interview with Bloomberg News on Thursday. >Nguyen gave the remarks while attending an import expo in Shanghai, where he met with regional officials and business representatives. He is the first commerce director from the state, a key manufacturing base for Boeing Co., to visit China since 2019.>His trip was not an isolated gesture. Weeks earlier, Oregon State Senate President Rob Wagner led a delegation on a ten-city tour, culminating in a meeting with Chinese Vice President Han Zheng. Wagner told a Chinese state broadcaster that Oregon remained committed to working with China.>While many states have adopted policies more aggressive than the federal government’s to limit Chinese investment, this parallel track of engagement also highlights the diverging interests fracturing America’s approach to its chief rival.>For some, the calculation is rooted in simple economics. China is Washington state’s top export market, with aerospace and agricultural goods among top products sold — and the second-largest for Oregon. >“I’m seeing some nervous governors,” Sean Stein, president of the US China Business Council, told Bloomberg TV on Thursday. The USCBC earlier estimated that nearly one million American jobs are supported by exports to China. >“We’re seeing governors starting to think about how can I continue and protect the jobs that we have that are tied to exports to China,” said Stein, who added that he expected to see more aggressive outreach from US states. >For officials on the ground, the fear is that the tensions between the capitals could lead to an economic fallout despite a recent truce. >The agreement reached last week between US President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping saw both sides cut tariff rates on each other’s goods for a year. China also agreed to expand agricultural purchases and removed levies on some US farm products, although the talks didn’t resolve core differences between the competing powers.>“Once you lose trade partners because of geopolitical issues, it’s not easy to bring them back,” Nguyen said. “That’s why I think it’s important for us to show up and maintain those ties.” >>2556711this is one of those things that even if the PRC is doing better, they shouldn't be doing at all! the problem this technology purports to solve is solved much more efficiently by other technologies that have more benefits outside of transportation (better urban design and public transport). in fact, the rolling out and popularizing of these vehicles will influence urban design in a negative way in the future. this is one of the things that worries me about the PRC. the government/party does not direct the flow of private investment and capital to avoid such tremendous waste as this. because make no mistake developing this and rolling it out takes a bunch of labor and natural resources that could be better spent elsewhere. the PRC and all of humanity must carefully consider the use given to all non renewable natural resources.
>>2556728Every "non-renewable" is just a resource. Why are you up in arms about it? Do you want to sit on oil like it's a precious commodity forever?
>>2556728Yeah literally just use trains and electric bikes/scooters
>>2556728they aren't going to ban cars in the forseable future, the population doesn't want that no matter how much you want that. they are putting a lot of money into developing EVs which is much better for the environment than ICE cars. for instance, BYD cars use LFP batteries exclusively, LFP has no nickel, manganese or cobalt. EV batteries are now more than 99% recyclable.
as far as better urban design and public transport, most urban areas are already designed around a residential building being at least a 15 minutes (usually much shorter) walk to get groceries or run errands like getting a haircut. china hit 50,000km of high speed rail this year, which is 84% of all high speed rail around the world. they plan to get to 70,000km by 2035 so everyone in a prefecture-level region is covered by high speed rail. meanwhile, the people per km of metro for china is similar to japan and they're constantly building more. an example, the chengdu metro opened its first segment of metro in 2010. it is now the 4th largest metro subway system in the world with 633km of lines.
>>2556793>they aren't going to ban cars in the forseable futurei know they won't. but they should.
>the population doesn't want that no matter how much you want thatthe middle class obsession with owning a car (yes even in china) is a consequence of a history of western industrial influence and advertising. it's perceived by most of the chinese middle class population as a status symbol. this image can be deconstructed overtime by incentivizing other forms of transport, and that in turn can be done through good urban design, public transport infrastructure, taxation policy, and other regulations). this can be done gradually overtime and should be done. a 'four wheel personal carriage'-less society should be a long term goal.
>EV batteries are now more than 99% recyclable.untrue! although there have been great advances in LIB recycling technology the recovery rate of lithium, nickel, and cobalt is maximum 93%, and even though the PRC has built a robust industrial complex for their recycling, the methods for doing so are either energy intensive (require very high temperatures which even if achieved without the use of fossil fuels incur their own waste) or produce large quantities of other pollutants such as waste water. that waste water must then be treated before it can be released into natural reservoirs and that treatement requires other products the production of which requires other finite resources. the waste is never eliminated only shuffled around and minimized. the whole chain must be studied and it must be determined in service of what all of it is for.
anyway, the metals of the batteries are not the only non renewable resources expended in the mass production of these personal carriages. there is the rubber of the tires, the plastics, the lubricants, the metals of the chassis etc etc etc.
obligatory disclaimer: yes yes yes. the PRC does amazing things they are doing better than the USA and all the other capitalist dogs. i agree with this. i say this. i know this. they can do even better.
>>2556810>it's perceived by most of the chinese middle class population as a status symbol. this image can be deconstructed overtime by incentivizing other forms of transport, and that in turn can be done through good urban design, public transport infrastructure, taxation policy, and other regulationsI don't believe this is the problem, other forms of transport are already heavily incentivized(e.g. the aforementioned high speed rail actually does not make profit and is supported by government funds) and there is already good urban design, extensive public transport infrastructure, and there's a high tax that has to be paid if you want to get a license plate for a gas car.
To change the perception of the public, it seems to me that an extensive media campaign against cars is necessary, although I'm not sure what kind of campaign would make them less of a status symbol. Campaigns about their inefficiency/environmental impact wouldn't help, decrying them as wasteful might even increase their status. And nobody's going to listen to a campaign that says taking the train or bus is more classy because they all know that billionaires own 100 different cars and shit.
Actually, maybe they could start there. Force the billionaires to sell their cars and do media shoots of them taking the train in a luxury cabin instead. It'd be better environmentally if people buy premium train tickets for the luxury section or whatever rather than cars.
>>2556865 (me)
Or they could just take the high cost of getting a gas car license plate and apply it to all car license plates, but this wouldn't be much better than banning cars and would cause public outrage.
>>2556865>I don't believe this is the problem, other forms of transport are already heavily incentivized(e.g. the aforementioned high speed rail actually does not make profit and is supported by government funds) and there is already good urban design, extensive public transport infrastructure, and there's a high tax that has to be paid if you want to get a license plate for a gas car.there is so much more that can be done. lanes can be removed from highways, streets and roads can be closed to cars, new housing can be developed without parking spaces for cars, etc etc etc. other countries have done this and continue to do this and other things. but the prc should go beyond even that and innovate new ways. they surely can.
>>2556913a lot of mumbling but what does it mean in non nerd?
>>2556810>i know they won't. but they should.you guys are absolutely retarded urbanites
public transport need a minimum density to be worth it, and china has a lot of countryside and small towns. Nothing can replace cars in these places.
China is already doing everything right, your whining is simply born of an absence of actual understanding
>>2557166you are so fucking right and trvke. the prc is the pinnacle of humanity. no. actually, they represent the limit of thermodynamics. nothing more can be achieved and further ambition is the most arrogant hubris. the rest of us and the chinese themselves must not try to improve anything ever any more.
>>2556913>another 003wtf
why
just spam 004, what's the point of an aircraft carrier that has to refuel every month. one was okay as a tech demonstrator and training craft but why would you build more
>>2557185you're so FUCKING right. god. they are the best the greatest the most bestest of humanity nay the have achieved something beyond humanity. enlightenment one might say. the rest of us should just FUCKING kill ourselves. not you tho. you can go over there and join them because in recognize such monumental TRUKES as the ones you have laid out in these two sentence posts you have approached the visage of GOD (the CPC)
FUCK
>>2557218that's what i'm saying dawg
the current PRC state is ETERNAL and INFALLIBLE
>>2557221Except they should ban cars. Other than that.
>>2557335wrong, this is played in reverse
>>2557335damn
apparently caused by cracks in the mountain itself that eventually caused a landslide
thankfully the authorities detected it and had closed the bridge since yesterday, so noone was hurt
>>2557335this footage is being reported by new york post. they are the first result i get. give me a chinese source dated from this week.
>>2557335zamn. just to clarify, a landslide wrecked the bridge. still shoddy engineering though that the bridge couldn't withstand it and that the landslide wasn't prevented.
>>2557347 (me)
thankfully they noticed the bridge was failing and closed it ahead of time
>>2557347At least no one died but still, huge L.
>>2557335Engineering status?
>>2557354>just put a cope cage over a whole mountain you stupid eastoidswhat a waste of material. seems smarter to just forecast the landslide and evacuate the area… which is what they did
>>2557335China is too obsessed with bridges
>>2557363naaaah becuase why is this so true??? the way this is true tho!!!!
>>2557002First nuclear carrier is on the way, the Type 004
Another conventional carrier is also on the way, sister ship of Type 003.
>>2557194Lots of reasons. It's cheaper and faster to construct for one. Sister 003 will already be in water by the time 004 finishes.
China doesn't have overseas bases nor reasons to power project across the globe. They also lack supply ships for now; Nuclear carriers don't need a logistic chain to refuel but the crew still needs to be fed and the aircraft still need to be maintained on land periodically. If you don't have readily available bases/ports across the planet then a nuclear carrier strike group is not cost effective for simple base defense.
What China needs is more ships ASAP to secure the 2nd island chain in their territory. They can power project across the Pacific later. Reaching overwhelming primacy in the first 2 island chains is the priority and churning out at least another 003 is a good and quick stopgap for that.
There was a great video on the topic of second Type 003 by Eurasian Naval Insight but he got banned. There's this video on his new channel but I didn't watch it yet, I don't think it's a reupload.
>>2557425air pollution used to cool the world? what the fuck are they talking about?
>>2557428I think they're saying that smog used to block sunlight and now there's no smog. Crazy that it's a real headline, "but at what cost?" about reducing air pollution
>>2557425post a tldr at least
>>2557435cant read whole thing because paywall but this article is prob similar
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/why-cleaner-air-actually-accelerating-160552848.htmlbasically sulphate aerosol pollutants have been "masking" the full effect of global warming and them getting cleaned out of the air is a reason for an acceleration of the experienced effects of global warming in recent times
>>2557437The end of the article is a good summary actually.
"The main source of global warming is still greenhouse gas emissions, and a cleanup of air pollution was both necessary and overdue. This did not cause the additional warming but rather, removed an artificial cooling that has for a time helped shield us from some of the extreme weather and other well-established consequences of climate change.
Global warming will continue for decades. Indeed, our past and future emissions of greenhouse gases will affect the climate for centuries. However, air pollution is quickly removed from the atmosphere, and the recent acceleration in global warming from this particular unmasking may therefore be short-lived."
>>2557438They still used such a shitty title ofc…but at what cost…
>>2557408great cope m8. just built bridges by not assessing landslide risk bro
>>2557467>if the ccp is so good why can't it predict earthquakesmedieval peasant
>>2557408>>2557335The Earth broke before the bridge.
>>2557335If this were Germany it would take 20 years minimum to rebuild this portion of the bridge
>>2557467Things like this happen in construction, especially when you're building that many bridges, at least one of them will go wrong. Good thing it was just partial damage and traffic was closed, could have been a lot worse
>>2557428There is a theory, maybe a proven one, that sulfur and other pollutants in the air (aka the reason for acid rains) was blocking sunlight during the industrialization and that's why there was no global warming during those years
>>2557671I think it's pretty much proven
>>2557425There it is. Western media is insane.
>>2557667>>2557467That entire region is plagued with landslides. It's akin to saying "Fuck the entirety of Tibet, it's not safe for construction" dooming poorer regions out of development.
For a so called lefty site, this shithole is pretty inconsiderate and uninformed.
>>2557368>>2557354>>2557221>>2557195>>2557176what a meltdown you're having, sheesh. get a grip loser.
>>2557754What's bad for the development of poorer regions is mistakes in planning and surveying leading to destruction of newly built infrastructure, as landslides and this case slope collapse are to a large extent preventable with adequate engineering. At least nobody died and it's China so someone, hopefully the culprits, will have to face consequences for this.
>>2557797Culprits? Did some nefarious Chinese supervillain cause a landslide?
>>2557801The people who skimped on planning you imbecile, crazy how western propaganda broke the brain of chinaboos as well
>>2557803Planning of WHAT? Landslides?
>>2557804YES. You can stabilize slopes with engineering
>>2557335>>2556477I'm seeing a trend here.
China is collapsing irl
>>2558051>with no way out.China has alternatives unlike death spiraling west with barely any economic growth.
>>2557812The part that collapsed?
>>2558051your graph literally shows that its still more expensive than it was before
>>2558051>line go downITS FUCKING OVER
>>2558169>OVERlmao buy the dip!
>>2559044>You have 1950s soviet era bulding blocks next to the Gucci storeI think he would love Warsaw.
>>2558051should we all just be going to teach english in china?
>>2558061missed the joke award
>>2557438>write insane clickbait china-bashing headline>frame it around good thing is bad actually>smuggle in the "trve reasonable conclusion" at the end where nobody readsi hate these MFs like you wouldn't believe
>>2559141Thank you China.
>>2559141I don't get how these sanctions get avoided by solar installations from Chynah
>>2559044abunda style consumption?
>>2559162never heard the term abunda before
>>2559072We eat dogs ITT. Where the fuck do you think you are, Western vegan (=mentally ill) boy?
>>2559141The true face of Chinese imperialism
>>2559141/USApol/ and /europol/ will say this is literally italian fascism or something
>>2550016madarin isn't even that hard tbh. It's just broken up into Spoken vs Written/professional. Casual spoken fluency is pretty easy to get to with all the resources we have (for nearly free) and after that you just specialize if you need to for talking business vs science etc
>>2559162>consumer prices too low>this is a bad thing apparentlyneoliberal economics should be classified as mental illness
>>2559141China spreading wage salvery… call me when they literally nuke Washington
>>2559141Cuban panel crisis
>>2559587it's not some neoliberal idea, it's a pretty agreed upon problem, japan has crippling deflation where every good is simply too cheap and this results in wages being complete shit
>>2559754japan’s deflation commenced decades ago when it was the most expensive economy in the world, $100 cantaloupes in Tokyo in 1990. China is the cheapest economy in the world. Japan deflation was caused by demand shock. china’s is caused by supply shock due to advancement in productivity and scale of supply chain. Exact opposite situations.
new academic paper showing two kinds of deflation and how they differ
>>2559731but he said abunda
How bad is the China EV situation for westoid auto makers? Will they go the way of the Swiss watch industry?
>>2559754Japan got kneecapped by the Plaza Accords and has been stagnant ever since, the situation in China is not the same. Average wages have been rising year-on-year.
>>2559760he slurred the word abundance
>>2559141WTF WTF WTF WTF
THIS IS MY BACK YARD
MUH MONROE DOCTRINE
WTF WTF WTF WTF
CUBANS DON'T DESERVE PROSPERITY
>>2559932>China has free speechWhat's the point of saying this when most pro-China people don't believe in free speech anyway
>>2560424When China reunites with Taiwan, Liuchu should be liberated too and the japs expelled. Then the people of Liuchu Kingdom can vote on if they would like to be annexed to China or independent and demilitarized.
>>2560424先全面經濟制裁 — 窮日。不要急。第一步去其工業化。讓他經濟癱瘓。然後可以揍之。
>>2561861The rapper is chinenese. Lamar is not. China is a nationalist country.
>>2561175Ryukyu is the Japanese spelling of "Liuchu". Liuchu was completely separate from Japan for its entire history, before its sovereignty was stolen by the Empire of Japan. Japan committed a genocide against them and tried to erase their culture because their culture was naturally pro-China and of more Chinese influence.
According to the Potsdam Declaration, Japan was to be stripped of the islands of Liuchu, but USA decided to force it again under Japanese colonial holding in 1972 to make sure it wouldn't return to its historic pro-Chinese orientation, breaking the agreement with the Allies.
To this day the people of Liuchu are anti-Japanese and want independence, which would make the islands friendly with China. This is why most of the military bases of the USA in Japan are actually in Liuchu, because their real purpose is to act as a colonial garrison to prevent the islands from being free from Japan.
>>2561895Okinawa wants to be Chinese? Source?
>>2561912Sure ok. But do you have do you have a source confirming that they want to seceded from Japan and be part of the PRC?
>>2561874this picture is the gayest thing I've ever seen and I browse e621
>>2561912>Rob KajiwaraSo, ignore the public opinion polls which consistently show that the pro-independence position is only supported by ~2 or 3% of the Ryukyuan population. Instead, just trust an American grifter pandering to braindead Chinese nationalists.
If this dude really was some representative of the Okinawan people and movement, why would all of his posts online be in Chinese or English??? Why does he never make propaganda in Japanese or even Okinawan if those are the people most relevant to his struggle? Why would he stress over and over how great independence would be for China, how it would recognize the Diaoyu Dao as Chinese??? This dude is so obviously just trying to appeal to jingoistic Chinese for money and the fact that anyone takes him seriously is an embarrassment.
Ryukyuans protest US military bases constantly (which are there because it's close to Taiwan by the way, obviously) but somehow Chinese looking for validation in their dreams of re-establishing their vassal Kingdom have to rely on this American instead. I wonder why that might be!
>>2561895I doubt the majority of residents want independence anymore, as there has likely been an influx of colonists from the rest of Japan over the 100 years or so since its annexation - native residents are probably a minority now.
>>2561960Yeah, from the population estimates I found online(Japan doesn't recognize Ryukyuans as a separate ethnic group) the majority of Okinawa's population is still Luchu people but they've been annexed for 100+ years and have gone through the corresponding assimilation so I doubt they want independence anymore. It's like convincing Northern Ireland to secede from Britain, except Northern Ireland would have been forcibly assimilated even harder considering what the Japanese government was like in the early 20th century.
>>2562057Going to correct this as ethnicity-wise they are actually still the majority(based on estimates)
Ryukyuan independence is as nonsensical as those maps of balkanized China with a Cantonese lingui-state. Li Jingjing promoting it is almost as embarrassing as her stand-up comedy.
>>2562159Okinawa deserves independence if this is what required to get Americans out
Where did China touch you?
>>2562409in the rare earths and technological supremacy, his boss at CIA is traumatized
>>2561861Xi is a diddy ahh blud drake fan
real talk: how will i fare in china as a transhumanist when i have to flee the united $$$tates of amerikkka after being deemed a double-plus anti-christian evil-doer badman degenerate faggot freak who hates god by ICE? all i will do is mind my own business and use my electrical engineering degree after claiming asylum
>>2562578Chances are they won't let you in. China isn't exactly keen on having anyone who is not Chinese stay permanently unless you are very advantageous to them, which you are not.
>>2562578Dont listen to the anon below urban China is generally open to foreigners. But idk whether your degree is gonna be particularly useful unless you studied in MIT or something, China pumped out one gazillion engineers every year since every rural parents think that it's the key to a better life, job market is tight af for graduates
>>2562578>trans>electrical engineerpottery. every EE major I know is either gigachudded or trans with no inbetween. why?
>>2562657Both burgeroid gigachuds or trans choose engineering because it has one of the best ratios of income:low discrimination (you can be ugly af and still respected if you know your shit)
Same reason why poor immigrant asians often got into being doctors or surgery, or why jews got into banking.
Xiaohongshu users call porn "educational videos" and the models "teachers"
>>2556691What happens to the workers when ports get automated?
>>2563071they're forwarded
Does CPC have a favourite in this Myanmar conflict besides the junta? It would beneficial to have a maoist government ruling the country.
>>2562578Unless you marry a local woman the best you will get is residence status
>>2562657He said transhumanist not trans. It's an ideology
>>2563672the slur for trans people wordfilters to transhumanist on this site
>>2554730I got the fucking hat, its magnificent, Made in China. Xi please invade the world, Xi please liberate the world. Please China come to me I can't get up from my armchair, give me lots of communist commodities China give me IRON robots please China just one I will sell my dog for it. China number #1
SWCC 360
>>2563460In China you can just live in a rural area if you want to avoid the overstimulations of the city. However people being trapped in online surrogate reality is a much harder problem and honestly IDK how to solve it, because you can't really ensure all parents raise their children well.
As for microplastics I've yet to see programs to fix that from the CPC, it's been strangely absent from their green initiatives. Though perhaps it's more economical to wait until the power grid is fully sustainable to start minimizing plastics in products along with mass filtering of microplastics from the water.
>>2563071They have to find new jobs and not be drains on society?
>>2563643they give some support to maoist militias near the border as long as they help them fight criminals in the area, but nothing major afaik
>>2563931Ah, Japan wants to finally take the mask off and be their final (true [shin] ) form.
>>2563460It won't be necessary for the people's chemical plant to sell you poison, or for the communist iphone softwarehouse manufactorium to develop addictive social media, or for the people's zoo to sell tickets and exist at all to prioritize profit over animal welfare
China should make Japan the exception for the no-first-use nuclear policy.
>China's film importers and distributors confirmed the postponement of the release of imported Japanese films such as Crayon Shin-chan the Movie: Super Hot! Scorching Kasukabe Dancers, and Cells at Work!, China Film News, a newspaper supervised by the China Film Administration, said in a report late Monday on its official WeChat account.
Weeb discrimination
>>2563970What if they do it because they are in war with imperialists and that necessitates some poisons, animal abuse and addictions?
>>2562578Anon ignore these idiots
>>2562581>>2562587Look up K-visa
>>2564314Hell yeah brother
>>2564299did you try them? whilst it has gone out of fashion in much of asia traditionally it was common to eat insects, the west is probably abnormal locale for not having any strong tradition of this (afaik).
>>2564382I didn't but I wish I had. A funny thing: the only other white guy I saw in Fuzhou was at that food festival, and it was a fat American guy selling hamburgers
>>2564284It is what it is, hope they win so it will end
>>2564305Hopefully they associate this economic downturn with Takaichi…. nah who am I kidding it'll be all China's fault.
>>2564299Ahh, cicadas, plentiful and easy to catch. But I will never eat them they’re too creepy crawly and I’m a pussy
Has anyone done the math on Chinese net national wealth vs American net national wealth?
Simple figures, add together household debt to household assets, government debt to government assets, and combine the results.
China is between 110 and 120 trillion, depending on how you count, and a few naive calculations can get you as low as 110 in the US (170 net household wealth, 22.5 trillion household debt, 147.5 net household wealth + 28-36 net government debt).
In other words, China vs the US, China either has already exceeded American net national wealth or is close to doing so. We are nearing the point where the capitalist imperialist core can be replaced by a socialist core.
>>2562569All the interviews in that call boy movie were so sad.
One hour after Japan sends a singular dinghy to disrupt the operation to liberate Taiwan, each of the Japanese islands will be left unfit for human habitation for the next 4 million years.
>>2564803
>I don't know why japan is puffing their chest now.
because their burger handlers are making them, simple as
>>2563931I don't know why japan is puffing their chest now. japan couldn't defeat china when china was at its absolute weakest, its poorest and most wretched. china went through the opium war with the british, partial colonization by western powers, the warlord era, and a deadly civil war that significantly damaged its infrastructure. It was an agrarian economy and technologically backwards, and china still stalemated japan even before the US joined the war. japan simply stopped making any progress or advancement in china.
they lost their chance. Japan's GDP was much larger than the other countries in East Asia at that time. They were the bigger buffer bully. at that point in time, korea and china were poorer than Africa, while japan was an industrial power. Japan's economy was larger than China's in 1940. now, china's economy is multiple times larger than japan, its population is 11x japan (a multiplier much higher than in 1940), china's tech has eclipsed japan, China has nukes and would blot out the skies of Tokyo with a million drones in the first day. japan barely even has an army and their average age is much much older now.
(reposted to correct some typo)
>>2564806Takaichi seems to be the Japanese version of Lai Ching Te, Milei or Zelensky which means she doesn't care about that. She gets paid handsomely, her children live in comfort and safety in America, and even if Japan gets destroyed she'll just fly out of there before that happens and keep drumming up support for the war at international conferences.
>>2564866Deprogramites will pretend china is communist even now the democrats are embracing them
>>2564866I told you people years ago that the winning strategy is to show photos of China and to say that you as a communist want the same. There is no counter to this - except for lies about suicide nets and wighers and funny stuff like that
>>2563460Engels talks about reactionary socialists that want to retvrn back to a pre-industrial state. Its impossible.
>>2564878>There is no counter to this - except for lies about suicide nets and wighers and funny stuff like thatAre you implying the truth matters? That would be silly. Joe Average sees any picture of China and immediately thinks of genocide, government-aided famine, speech suppression of historical events, social score, and if you don't have an effective tactic to leap over that wall, then it's pointless.
You don't see us getting all excited by scientific advancements made in the Zionist Regime, why would liberals do that with China?
>>2564299Being categorically revolted by insects is a European spook.
The Black Death was over 600 years ago, get over it.
>>2564884https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries… do you imagine it's literally just a big military base with some synagogues, or something?
We're building a revolution, comrade, not playing liberalist war of imagination, gotchas, denial and namecalling. Do not underestimate an enemy, the BUF made that mistake with the '43 Group.
>>2564888It's all either dubious claims or emigres' former work counted as Israeli. The only independent thing is Israeli bandage, of dubious quality; not even Israel's military industry is it's own
>>2564888I personally don't believe in automobiles as Ford was evil American
>>2564932TATACO (Trump and Takaichi always cuck out)
>Syria intends to hand over jihadist fighters from China’s Uyghur minority to Beijing, two sources told AFP on Monday, but the foreign ministry in Damascus denied the report.
thx jolani
>>2564932China is also going to do drills around Senkaku islands
>>2565196>drillsSo, nothing. China is just letting Japan occupy ancient Chinese territory and refuses to put an end to it even when Japan gets so embolded by it that they want to fully re-establish the Treaty of Shimonoseki.
>>2564994campists on suicide watch
>>2565266didn't need to put flags on them lmao.
>>2565281They're fighting muslims though? Healthy.
>>2565273>picThis argument became nonexistant real quick once the bordiggers started screaming for chinese internationalism to come as a lesser evil option to destroy the liberal democracies and get SWCC delivered to them.
>>2565283>Leftists will now blame…Russia and China!it's not blaming, just pointing out that multipolarity is an insane delusion
>>2565312>>2565290Nah, China isn't coming to rescue of the Arab world, where almost all of the governments are already walking hand in hand with the West. They will certaintly not make the same mistake the ango-american hegemon did when it though it could police the world. Lesson learned.
>>2565319It depends of whether the region is already subsumed by Western hegemony or not. Russia gets help. Cuba gets help. Some African countries get help. So do Iran and Hezbollah. China has been the economic lifeline for Venezuela, buying most of Venezeula oil and sending $60 billion for infrastracture and social projects.
>>2565319>multipolarity is an insane delusionthe trajectory of this double projection is interesting. first you must incorrectly believe multipolarity is some kind of explicit project with unified policy goals, then you have to believe that it failed and this "failure" proves them wrong when in reality the problem is your incorrect assumption about what multipolarity is
>>2565327SWCC 360 fgt
SINO WORLD
>>2565333bro you don't even know what SWCC is
>>2565332Multipooplarity is meaningless either way.
>>2565335Socialism with chinese characteristics
that means chinese social democracy which is a honest autocracy as opposed to the liberal democracies which drain the life of nations. Long live the butcher Xi if he can manage to shake the western world order.
>>2565336its happening regardless with or without your acknowledgement
>>2565327>China has been the economic lifeline for Venezuela, buying most of Venezeula oil and sending $60 billion for infrastracture and social projects.Absolutely based.
>>2565337SWCC is dialectical which makes it successful. there's been a lot of autocracies that failed in the global south as well
>>2565357>The world needs Unipolarity - Chinese Atheist World Unity. Multipolarity is a scam run by christian Ziggers, Mudslims, Hindutvas, what does the C in BRICS stand for?
>>2565332actually i dont have to do any of those things to point out how stupid the idea of multipolarity is. you can imagine any number of imaginary positions to cope
>>2565385hard to do that when you dont know what you are talking about
>>2565367NO, I AM OBSESSED.
I am fanatical, I AM A CHINESE CHEKIST.
>>2565393sorry campist, your world model is retarded no matter what kind of cope you invent.
>>2565404you have yet to explain why multipolarity is "stupid"
>>2565406China is the greatest in the world China should govern the world and nobody else.
>>2565406just the obvious fact that China is aligned with Washington and Israel on anything of importance
>>2565428if they were, China wouldn't be sustaining Iran's ecnomy by buying 90% of its oil, letting Iran use China's satellite systems for its missiles accuracy, and Netanyahu wouldn't be malding and saying that TikTok is the biggest source of pro-Palestine propaganda. Also the US wouldn't be launching a whole trade war against China and militarily surrounding them.
>>2565443China sells 10$b of stuff to Iran and 14$b of stuff to Israel, sorry but Zion wins again
>>2565428is that why the finance infrastructure outside the dollar system?
>>2565455>China accounts for $65-70 billion worth of Iran’s foreign trade each year.>Majid Reza Hariri, who chairs the Iran-China Joint Chamber of Commerce, said China buys more than 92% of Iran’s oil exports >“Summing up the figures, around $65-70 billion worth of (Iran’s) oil and non-oil trade is with China,” he was quoted as saying by the ISNA news agency.Meanwhile, China already causes tension via its actions in the region due to its little to no arms sales to Israel (esp now but even prior) when compared to sales to other countries in the region. This ruins US imposed restrictions like the preservation of Israel’s Qualitative Military Edge (QME).
>Since the outbreak Israeli manufacturers have reported increasing difficulties in importing components from China. On December 17, 2023 Israel recieved a document saying, “in light of the war, Chinese customs wished to delay the export to Israel of customs items classified in chapters 84 and 85, so that they will not be used by the IDF in the war effort” these are basically products that could possibly have military use like even sound recorders. It’s gotten to the point where Israel is accusing the country of a silent boycott. >In the Gaza Strip, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) uncovered large stockpiles of Chinese-made weaponry, including advanced drones, assault rifles, and automatic grenade launchers, in the possession of Hamas leading to accusations towards China arming the group. >>2565443the US titkok instance is owned by Larry Ellison, you know, the insane fucking zionist that runs Oracle? China caved, as they always do. If they have not caved on Iran is because the US does not want them to. Get with the times, grandpa.
>>2565466Except no deal has been signed. TikTok is still under bytedance ownership.
>>2565443> Also the US wouldn't be launching a whole trade war against Chinathe US is launching trade wars against all of its key allies too lmao. next you're going to argue that Canada and Mexico are also centers of influence opposed to the US
>>2565468>Except no deal has been signedThere's no hints from bytedance that the purchase is not going to take place. Another huge cope from you.
>>2565469The US trade war on China has been ongoing since 2017 and they sanctioned China from key techs. The US imposed 145% tariffs on China at one point which is virtually a trade embargo, something qualitatively different than the other countries. They had to back down because they realize China has the manufacturing leverage and monopoy on rare earths.
>>2565474And there were never hints from them that it's going to happen. Not from the state read outs from China after the negotations or from the company.
>>2565465this is an intra-bourgeoisie spat at best
>silent boycottlmfao this shit is the same crap they said about biden being unable to fulfill shipments quick enough, even though they just werent able to produce weapons fast enough. more cope from multipolarista sisters.
>>2565479>They had to back downTrump had to back down from most trade disputes because they were asinine and counter-productive, are you going to argue that every manufacturing economy has huge leverage over the US?
>And there were never hints from them that it's going to happen. literal fake news lmfao
>>2565486>Trump had to back down from most trade disputeslmao what do you mean, EU took it like a little bitch because they're a vassel and came out way worse from the deal.
>literal fake news lmfaothat was from Trump extending the ban deadline, they put out that message every three months. show me any announcement from bytedance saying oracle is buying tiktok. they have to get approval from xi and that hasn't happened. also notice your date is from sept 29, 1 month before negotiations even occured about it
what are those tricksy japanese up to now? tldr?
>>2565474who cares. if they sell it they get cash and if they dont it gets banned
>>2565319so you want them to invade palestine overthrow hamas and impose chinese rule on them?
>>2565592NTA
>and impose chinese rule on them?That sounds goooooooooooooooooooood, its a shame China hasn't done it yet.
>>2565482Them complaining about Biden means nothing though, the US literally gives them weapons for free. How are Russia and China, which are aligned with Israel's regional rival, even remotely alike in this regard?
>>2565479>china has monopoly on rare earth>monopolySo china is imperialist then
>>2565730is that what the word means?
>>2565745i thought it had something to do with financial monopoly
>>2565757Well you thought wrong
>>2565758on which page does lenin say rare earth monopoly is imperialism?
>>2565760What does lenin have to do with it?
>>2565761well they said monopoly and you said imperialism, who else defines imperialism in relation to monopoly?
>>2565762Monopoly means imperialism
>>2565764according to what analysis?
>>2565764What does a board game have to do with big countries invading small countries?
Is a lemonade stand in the middle of the desert doing imperialism when they sell hydration to weary travelers if they are the only one around?
>>2565772china is not imperialist yet they just want to be imperialist (inwade smol country on tiewon)
>>2565774taiwan is basically what if all the confederates fled to puerto rico after the american civil war and called themselves Dixie Rico. Nobody should be obligated to take that seriously.
>>2565786Puerto Rico was not in the USA until decades after the Civil War.
>>2565796You get the point uygha.
But ok, Taiwan is basically what if all the Cuomintang fled to Staten Island after the New York civil war and called themselves the real New York government. Nobody should be obligated to take that seriously.
>>2565937lol I can hear nafoids killing themselves
>>2565942Nuh-uh! Rods of god! Secret hypersonic missiles, undocumented stealth bomber jets over the three gorges dam!
>>2565815Can you imagine how people would talk if it where the opposite? If the Communists lost the war and were shuttled over to Taiwan by the USsR?
>China's state-run Global Times publishes an editorial questioning Japan's ownership of Okinawa
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
>>2565474>>2565466>There's no hints from bytedance that the purchase is not going to take place.the tiktok deal is complicated. here's how it actually works. China owns the source code to the algorithm and leases out consumer versions of it to other countries. That's what America did, they bought a leased version that they can tinker a bit with but not legally own. The personal data stays in the united states under something called Project Texas. The algorithm is tiktoks secret sauce, China was never going to give that tech up
>>2565959And how could the communists lose against the unpopular criminals who colluded with warlords and gangs?
>>2566036What do the Okinawans want?
>>2566173A prefecture within Japan with authority to veto military bases on its territory.
>>2566191That is what they should get then.
>>2566152Leftypol is the true heir to the 2ch name
Turns out China is a coward literally every time.
Just like Iraq, Just like Libya and now Palestine. They abstain and then secure some lucrative deal in the region, and idiots call this 'multipolar' and 'anti-imperialist'
Your entire ideology was just revealed to be a joke (again).
>The BelPol representative revealed that Belarus was able to manufacture these blanks because China sold the country assembly lines for their production. "Belarusian engineers could not install this ammunition production line themselves. For this, China sent ten of its engineers to Belarus who installed it. It already exists. And a very interesting point is that China was so interested in installing this line that it has now placed its workers at two Belarusian enterprises, who sit at these enterprises and control the process," he emphasized.
Thank you china for the international worker solidarity
>>2565727What are you talking about? Russia and China are backing a different horse in Israel and clearly on the "Axis of Resistance" side in the Middle East
>>2566446Words like "coward" are meaningless in the great game. Mindless involvement in wars halfway around the globe is very often a blunder.
>>2565724>Them complaining about Biden means nothing thoughyes that's the point i was making, dummy. delaying exports is a meaningless gesture, and the same thing biden did, just dragging their feet a little. bonus points if some little eichmann spouts some dumb unverifiable platitude about imaginary boycotts
China is NOT raising my wages, NOT giving me healthcare, NOT cleaning my room, NOT washing my foreskin, NOT giving me a gf, NOT making anime real.
Therefore, China is not communist.
t. blöödgasm
>>2566916That's worse than I thought ngl. At least it explains why they're refusing to do absolutely anything against israel
>>2566888Marcism is when we trash any form of proletarian internationalism and instead invest in a genocide state.
Brezhnev should have nuked Beijing.
>>2566928>what about LE ISRAELIm so fucking tired of this shit. Nothing to do with socialism.
>>2566584>>2566457Dengrat Ziogolem killing gemerald.
>>2567071The question is why Dengoys are so eager to defend China. It's not like China's success will do much for Socialism, when the Chinese themselves aren't interested in it anymore. Why do they even care so much? They wouldn't rush to defend any other country so eagerly now, would they?
>>2567089>>2567077>>2567071I am not a dentist myself but this is rather ignorant, no? The Chinese are the biggest traders of just about everyone, not just Israel. They don't break with Pissreal cuz that would show the others they trade with an addendum to their contracts that if you have enough bad PR you can get cut out off, which is pretty bad for trade relations. Also I don't hear anything from Palestinian voices on this issue. I also don't get what a veto could've possibly done to save them or help in anyway whatsoever
>>2567129Oh okay I am sure the Palestinians they are helping oppress are okay with it then.
>>2567139yeah the palestinians would prefer it all be American, you're absolutely right
>>2567071Maybe the european proletariat should learn from this that they need better tactics and to establish a dotp like Lenin told them 100 years ago?
>>2567129You're right. The problem is when people try to act like China is going to dismantle western hegemony even though they are more likely to go into another era of Nixon-style collaboration with the west instead. But then again, most dengoids are western treatlers anyway, this would benefit them.
>>2567077I have no illusions about them and I also think they should at least not be trading with Israel, but I'm not going to pretend a creation of western imperialism like the Gaza genocide is on them just because they trade. The western left (the american left in specific) needs to overthrow their own bourgeoisie for the genocide to stop.
>>2567071>>2567089>Rando twitteroid with KKKlanker-generated pic>Literally The GuardianWhy should I believe what these 'sources' claim? Why would I believe them? How could I believe them?
Why would you expect me to believe them?
At this point, pretty much any claims published by Western media is not merely incorrect, it is actively and maliciously trying to mislead us. Even the most basic attempt at comprehension primes us towards their sick and twisted worldview and tries to lead up to the conclusions they desire for their own ends. Even when they tell the truth, they are lying; giving the false impression that they could actually tell an honest truth, that they might one day actually be in alignment with reality, that their words are not thoroughly impregnated with the desire to mislead for their own nefarious ends.
This slop is anti-evidence, that which annihilates the real, and by even letting it enter your thoughts you give it far more dignity and status than it deserves.
>>2567157>Nixon-style collaboration with the west insteadImagine if treatlerites had done a revolution during all this time in between so this didnt happen again.
>>2567164>not going to pretend a creation of western imperialism like the Gaza genocide is on themWhat makes you think China is opposed to western imperialism when they have the same position on the Gaza genocide as Arab puppet regimes? What makes anyone think China isn't a benefactor of this imperialism when they use it as an opportunity for a quick cash grab?
>>2567170They didn't because it wouldn't benefit them. The thirdies didn't either because they are extremely cucked (can confirm, I'm thirdie). Firsties are smart, thirdies are not.
China is imperialist, though
>>2567173No one thinks China doesnt participate in the crimes of global capital bro, you are fighting a strawman.
>>2567176Thirdies at least tried during the cold war and some still hold, but they are too weak.
>>2567181Still better than firstie union treatlers marching in support of Nixon and Netanyahu.
>>2567182>No one thinks China doesnt participate in the crimes of global capital broYeah no, this is straight bs.
>>2567185Ok then, keep screaming at the like 2 posters who are mentally ill and actually think China is perfect.
>>2567181Hello, cope department?
>>2567189You know what, you're right. Multipolarists soyfacing over "amazing things are happening in China" aren't even remotely relevant.
>>2567242just try to not sound so mad next time you throw shade bro, you sound like a nafo version of badempanada
The lack of veto just shows what was obvious: the CPC is China-first and fundamentally do not care about internationalism. They don't really care about leftist parties overseas and will gladly treat with right wingers compatible with China-first policies
>>2567319it'd probably be much better for them if they weren't the economic lifeline to cuba, iran and venezeula. those countries are dependent on china, not the other way around
>>2567485>"resistance leaders"<its a guy on twitterdoubt.jpg
>>2567510Yeah, the "China is anti-internationalism" argument doesn't really hold water for me because of that. It's evident they feel their hands are tied to me, at least.
>>2566928What you say goes against the whole history of the communist movement. You do realize that USSR didn't escalate towards
Nazi Germany once it was clear that not a single European country was cooperative in resisting them?
Communists are the subjective rational factor that performs the transit from the realm of necessity to the realm of freedom by discovering and exploiting naturally emerging societal forces while taking the rest of human knowledge into account. That is how communists managed to establish the dictatorship of the vastly outnumbered working class in the Soviet Union and build up an industry that was superior to the German one in less than 30 years. That is how China emerged as
the industrial and technological power of our age. Failure to to do so is the reason why supposedly socialist Syria and many other states did not achieve anything close to the same results. Failure to do so is the reason why Khrushchevite Soviet Union initiated the disastrous new lands and corn campaigns, fell back on less socialist organizational methods, and collapsed. Failure to do so is the reason why Great Leap Forward resulted in disaster.
China had the historic opportunity to avoid having to build a whole new socialist world economic order and hijack the one capital built instead. This opportunity was never afforded to the Soviet Union. Why would they squander it or make it less efficient? For what? The eastern bloc tried to support Arab countries at a much more opportune time and yet the Zionist state was not destroyed. The Arab states of today are not interested in destroying Israel and communists can't do it for them. Creating tension when it's inopportune is something communists don't do.
Stalin had his ears measured to let
Hitler have his fun identifying what race he is as a diplomatic measure.
China clearly prefers supporting socialists over not supporting socialists. It does more and more in that direction every year.
>>2567485Should palestinians living under zionist occupation just burn their chinese commodities then? Those chinese commodities are the only means of existence for many palestinians
>>2567485Ultraleftism is a fucking decease. These people are literally unable to do anything when its their own people on the line and they dare point the finger at the Chinese for not rescuing them as if Xi is their mother.
>>2567755>Ultraleftism is a fucking decease [sic]The Yemeni armed forces are not "ultraleft" you idiot
>>2567769He speaks as an ultra. Anyone who uses twitter is bound to make mistakes and repeat what westoids say. He isnt speaking scientifically so he is an ultra
>>2567485>far right political islamists mad at chinaOne day these people will be re-educated.
>>2567778Chinese trade to occupied palestine cannot stop because that would tighten monopolist grip and make palestinians living under zionist occupation more destitute. He fails to grasp this so he is an ultra. China's twitter accounts post scientific line, not ultra nonsense
China's opposition to imperialism has been a sham for decades
https://archive.is/louHO>>2567791America and Israel are raping the woman and they both have nukes.
>>2567791Wasn't this accout calling for a red-brown alliance a couple days ago
>>2567819Wouldnt be surprised as these people really DON'T care about socialism but instead more about these liberal humanitarian projects.
Moffin now sapparts the judeobolshevism theory, keeeeek
>>2567781So, is Yemen an anti imperialist that needs to be critically supported since they're the only ones actually fighting zionists, or do we need to uncritically support "socialist" China in its efforts to build Zionist infrastructure from stolen Palestian land to enrich themselves but nothing Palestine?
>>2567929Obviously socialist china, they understand that Israel is here to stay and can be a major contributor in combatting us supremacy. They’ve already scared away the Europeans and China moved in. All we need is something to push out the us and finally China would have an extremely effective client state in the heart of the Middle East, this is why China supports a two-state solution and why most resistance movements support a two-state solution
>>2567955it's weird how NATO residents have no energy to fight their own governments but infinite energy to call china imperialist and make ultra demands of everyone
>>2567959Damn, the VVESTERN proletariat really worked hard to keep Africa in their feudal mode of production, mask off kek
>>2567848Imagine believing in this propaganda. You know the CPC openly stopped it from happening. Jack Ma nearly got whacked and there is an even bigger clampdown on 996. This loli fapper is MI6
>>2567962This is the fucking China thread, of course people talk about China. Should people be discussing Norway's Israel policy or something here instead?
>>2567967We should be
respectful to China. Without China most of us would not be communists and the knowledge of Marxism would have been buried by western bourgeois
China will redeem Israel.
>>2567791No, it's more like Russia and China are walking past on the other side of the street, with a Jew raping the woman and a cheering group of Arabs surrounding them
>>2568257>Build infrastructure for two opposing sides and sell weapons while you profit from it>Do nothing to reach an end to this conflict, to always maintain a consistent source of incomeChina WINNING again by using Socialism with Amerikkkan characteristics and doing nothing. WE KNEEL
>>2568351>Israel is 30 billions in trade deficitHuh
>>2568351This trade is mostly about things related to irrigation, agricultural and water management and desalination technologies. Who sells the weapons that actually kill people, though? Can you post the stats?
>>2566857Where do Russia and China send Israel shit for free? Aren't they keeping Israel's biggest rival afloat by buying Iranian oil and selling Iran weapons, effectively allowing it to bypass UN sanctions?
>>2567157You think the West will accept it when China inevitably takes Taiwan? You think China will help bail out the West again even now that they are on the verge of being enemies? The time for collaboration ended years ago.
>>2567791Yemen relies on Iran for weapons which relies economically on China and Russia. That is the bigger picture in the region - the construction cashgrabs in Israel are minor. If China didn't do it, Israel would just develop the capability to do it themselves, much like China itself did with sanctioned tech. It would have increased the economic pressure on Israel, but not enough to bring it to the point of collapse, or degrade its military capability against Iran, AKA it has no effect on the genocide.
I think economic pressure will not achieve an ultimate solution because the US will bail Israel out of any economic troubles anyway, and the US, as the nominally richest nation in the world and global economic hegemon, can do quite a lot of bailing for a tiny state like Israel. so there are two solutions to the Israeli problem:
1. Some sort of political change that removes cucks from power in the regional states like Jordan and the Gulf states so the Arabs actually start opposing Israel(highly unlikely)
2. Build up Iran, Houthi Yemen and Iraq(which Iran has influence over) to the point of being able to defeat Israel militarily, which can presumably happen when a Taiwan/SCS war starts so that NATO forces are stretched thin between Ukraine, Israel and the China theater and can only bring minor forces to support Israel. In my view this is the only viable option.
>>2567959…what work is the western proletariat doing, internet trends?
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