>>2547554they are cutting back on english tutors. you gotta have competitive degree to get job and they still wont give you citizen
>>2547788>the "realistic" China collapse scenario and what will probably happen is that China will enter an economic plateau of 1-3% growthexcept lower growth is part of the plan
>>2547815but india isn't communist so they will run into capitalism problems. china wont because they are communist. growth stagnation as you become advanced is the signal to transition
>>2548175That poster also believes that USA has successfully done anything to stop China's rise, lmao
>>2548182You don't understand! USA is eternal, any problem is transient and will be solved in time, while China's problems are systemic and truly dire!
>>2548175>china wont because they are communistthe people's real estate crisis
>>2548243In one of earlier thread, there was a link to some economist who had a graph with Chinese industrial investments rising as real estate investments were falling. Basically, everything that went into Evergrande is now going into production of goods
>>2548182in the burger reich the fuhrer is threatening to coup one of the largest and most important cities if they elect a mere succdem
>>2548255Burger reich wasn't this vulnerable since Vietnam
>>2548236The real estate crisis is literally a blow to speculative investors
The problem isn't just the population loss, it's the shrinking population. Robots can't consume.
It's the greying population, excuse me. Basically, and we know Moffin's a glowie because it won't make him happy, China will nuke Pax Americana. But won't be able to establish Pax Sinica in its place.
>>2548339>productivity grows>population shrinksThat's objectively great for the working class.
>>2548339>>2548345life extension technology. You can reverse the shrinking population rates by making people live longer. The reason why people dont want kids is because having kids takes away a huge part of their lives. If people live longer then this would be less of a problem.
Also less death rates means small birth rates can be sustaniable
>>2548381You're being delusional fantasists banking on technology that won't be ready for decades.
End of the day, if you're a standard anti-imperialist looking for Pax Americana to end, this is great, because China won't replace it with Pax Sinica, and China claimed it has no interest in exporting socialism anyways. If you're a Chinese jingoist, this is a mess, which is good for everyone else.
>>2548589The mess hitting in 2 weeks.
Some people say the counterrevolution happened in 1979, I personally think it happened in 690 with the coup against Wu Zetian
>>2548619If counterrevolution happened in China, why is it then that China isn't bending to US hegemony? We've all seen how after WW2 whole capitalist world has bent the knee, with capitals truly becoming international - and monopolized and concentrated in the US. China wasn't supposed to develop anything ,wasn't supposed to advance past cheap manufacturer, wasn't supposed to upend the world order, just like Africa and South America and India are perpetually trapped in their place; instead, China moved up the value chain - much like USSR did, although USSR's situation was a competition of imperialists
>>2548781Capitalism is bigger than US or any other hegemony
>>2548784Nah, by this point, there exists only the USA to defend capitalism, and then there's Chinese COMMUNIST hegemony on the horizon. Capitalists may hold countries here and there, but communist dominance will force the humanity to change towards the correct path. Throughout 20th century, USA (and USSR too) has killed off all the imperialist competition, concentrated capitais, yadda yadda; so, if USA falls, there's no hope for the restoration of capitalism in any form
>>2548799*ORIENTAL hegemony on the horizon
>>2548781There’s never been a revolution or counterrevolution in China because it’s all been the oriental mode of production
>>254861110-20 years.
The entire point is, Beijing won't be strong enough to bail you out. Your job is to clone what works from their praxis, and achieve revolution in your own countries; they won't export arms and provide a trickle of funding, but no more.
If you succeed, good, we destroy the capitalist hegemony together. If we fail, China goes senescent in the geriatric nursing home fight between America, Europe, India, and China.
>>2548916To emphasize, though, the security state is too strong for armed revolt. Work together with dedicated comrades and make money, and with the basket of money, get more dedicated comrades, pick up a few useful opportunists, and make more money.
Eventually, fund superPACs, bribe politicians, etc. Destroy capitalism from the inside.
A question for the China haters: is your problem with China itself or with local dengoids? I understand not trusting people who want to copy dengism in the imperial core, but when it comes to China itself, even if you think they are revisionists and overall le bad, I think the chances of them correcting their course are interconnected with there being a change (hopefully towards socialism) in the imperial core.
>>2548925It's not so much the course correction but attempting to move through stages. China is, however much they might deny it, Menshevik, and the Chinese party state is strong enough to make it work.
At a certain point, China will have the base necessary for FALC and the ability to implement it. There's no point of doing severe labor reforms before then, although playing whack a mole with porky is always a good idea.
Stageism
>>2548916>10-20 years.You're Zeihan-tier.
>The entire point is, Beijing won't be strong enough to bail you outNobody asked them to. Take your meds.
The United States is going to force China to take on a world revolutionary role analogous to the Soviet Union during WWII, the party is in complete denial of it and it’s going to cost them every shoreline city
>>2548946>The United States is going to force China to take on a world revolutionary role analogous to the Soviet Union during WWIIwhat if they move right instead of left tho
>>2548946>it’s going to cost them every shoreline cityWhat the fuck are you talking about?
Man what the FUCK is with these schizoposts lately?
>>2548937Put another way, even if China gets back to 2.1 TFR in 2035, the damage will have been done. The present birthrate reflects a 720 million population, not a 1400 million population.
Population will grey, there'll be capital levels too high for labor, and the entire Chinese game was based on having between 1.5x to 2x the population of the entire West, canceling out an industrialization gap.
China only has 30% of the world's productive capacity, guess who has the rest?
>>2548922incredibly retarded
>>2548956If you don’t think the US will use the Philippines and Japan to bomb all of China you’re not serious
>>2549121They can't even bomb crippled Russia, surrounded by Euro dogs.
Those 2 Asian Chihuahuas can't even bark at China.
>>2548925>people who want to copy dengism in the imperial corewho?
>>2548928>Menshevikis that bad because menshevism is universally wrong or was it denounced by the bolshiveks because it didnt apply to their conditions
>>2548928>China is, however much they might deny it, Menshevik, and the Chinese party state is strong enough to make it work.This is not how states work. Socdems are bad because at every point in time, they opt to cuck out to porkies and wait for porkies to solve their problems. They don't take history in their own hands
>>2549514The Mensheviks were wrong because they wanted to abdicate government control to bourgeois liberal """"democracy"""". The Bolsheviks themselves knew they would have to do developmental capitalism if the German Revolution failed. In the end the two positions have fused into modern Dengism.
>>2549578Menshiviks couldn't have pulled it off because of the weak nature of the Soviet state at the time. The CPC could because they purged all class enemies.
>>2549578>Dengism is the Bolshevik-Menshevik SynthesisSo you are saying they are dialectical
>>2548174The under the table tutor business was out of control. The expats you see complaining are just mad they don't get free money handed to them for being crackers. You can still get a decent job as a teacher at a school. Professional jobs are easier to find now that K visa is a thing. I'm trying to convince my gf to move with me. I have some niche STEM experience, but she'd probably have to teach English and/or Portuguese (br huehuehue)
>>2550004pretty based. ive been thinking about just waiting of them to take over australia bc mandarin is hard
>>2549790how will china haters cope with this one?
The only reason I like Choynah is them make Westoid """"""communists""""" butthurt.
The more they post here, the more I like China.
>>2548781>If counterrevolution happened in China, why is it then that China isn't bending to US hegemony? To the Westoid mind "revolution" is when spreading CIA regime change to the rest of the world.
"Counterrevolution" is when you deny the coup.
So from this POV, China is counterrevolutionary.
((Tldr))
>>2548784>Capitalism is bigger than USSauce?
>>2550982Is a pretty universal experience. Strictly speaking, I have remained agnostic on China throughout.
Nothing's really good, after all, except in relation or by comparison.
Western communist or leftist however, is not really a thing. It'd require them to leave behind or go beyond the usual imperialist mindset.
I don't know what a westerner is defined as except through that mindset, at this point.
In an international(ist) perspective, there is nothing special about them.
Where there is a westoid, there is no communist or communism. Where there is communism or a communist, there is no westoid.
>>2551793very old civilization, please understand
>>2551800If I genuinely believed China was socialist (socialist state is oxymoron but I digress) and it was evidently a nationalist racist like any other shithole bourgeois state in the world I'd kill myself
Like idk how you live believing China is the peak humanity can ever ascend dawg wage slave racist shithole but le big buildings 😭😭😭
>>2551829thats why i dont idolise china but still see that its doing something right
>>2551793>>2551800>>2551829>>2551876Anti-Chinese camp remoralized from an old video, lol
>>2551793she was literally prosecuted for this, and you can find racist people literally everywhere in the world
retards fucks pushing anti china propaganda baits like you should be banned
>>2551915this is like same cope of china killed one billionaire for fraud without questioning why a 'socialist' state produces billionaires to being with
+ there are clips of chinese fans handing him cotton, banna and screaming the n word
were the entire crowd prosecuted too? why were they racist to begin with? could it be because all bourgeois states thrive on chauvinism to obscure class relations?
>>2551915>she was literally prosecuted for thisYou're mixing it up with the insane woman that went off on a black girl for no reason - calling her white boyfriend while ranting lol. Police found her and made her apologize.
Speed's fans dropping slurs at him is an ongoing "meme" that he encourages. And that girl is cosplaying some gachaslop character associated with saying the N word. It's all so dumb and old. Speed's China trip was overall a net positive.
<why a 'socialist' state produces billionaires to being with
i'll make it easy for you.
CHINA IS DEVELOPING THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION.
read literally anything lenin ever wrote.
you have to dominate and guide the bourgeoisie,
you can't just liquidate them immediately and press
the communism button.
China is not a classless society, a CLASS DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT OVER THE BOURGEOISIE wherein the elected communist party (which proletarian in character, the fact that it takes measures to secure itself against liberal entryism with strict entry requirements is no argument against this) dominates the bourgeoisie, utilizing them and strictly controlling and guiding them to develop the china's means of production. In this they have been remarkably successful - they have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to enact policies which are economically harmful in the short term, but beneifcial in the long term, which is entirely inimical to the capitalist mode of production, in which the corporations are not only free, but legally beholden to their shareholders, to seek the maximum short term profit above all other considerations.
>>2551931>>2551933Honestly, the woman doesn't sound racist, it does look like a meme.
>>2551932Marx thought 18th century Britain was ready for socialism.
Brits wouldn't have dreamed of China's historical industrial might if they tried
Try again
>>2551974no he didn't and definitely not 18th century. he saw 19th-century Britain as the leading edge of capitalist development, and thus the most likely place where socialism could *begin* to emerge but he did not believe it was fully ready during his lifetime. the fact that it did not develop meant that the productive forces were still not sufficient, capitalism was still able to adapt.
>"No social order ever perishes before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have developed; and new, higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself. " >>2551974it was the unipolar hegemon
>>2551974China has to deal with the military might of the 21st century american empire, thats the concrete reference for how developed China has to be, not 18th century Britain.
But I think by now they should at least help out Palestine by blocking Israel.
>>2551936This, americans are just proyecting their own race bs lol
Any good new site to follow china new that isn't full "china is evil" or "china is perfect!", that actually show factual news about there?
>>2551986>>2551989>>2551997Dengists have two moods
>China surpassed the US as the greatest imperialist capitalist power in the world (and that's a good thing) 💪>China is a semi feudal shithole less developed than 18th century Britain 🥺 Guys remember any place where wage labor, commodity production and capitalist social relations dominant, where workers are the majority, IS NOT ready for workers revolution
Not a CIA talking point btw haha…
>>2552046I adressed that at this point they are not some chicken shit outfit that could easily get BTFO like in the past, thats why I said at this point they should be doing more (like blocking Israel) if they insist on delaying pressing the communist button to 2050 or whatever.
And yes, China taking hegemony away from the US is a good thing for everyone. But the power proyection of the US military is still far superior because China doesnt have bases around the world.
>>2552046>less developed than 18th century Britain do you know the difference between relative and absolute?
>surpassedis that the same thing as uncontested unilateral rule?
>>2552055Unipolarism meme was invented by Kautsky
Read Lenin plz
>>2552060so you think china today has the same relative power as 18th century Britain?
or you think once you unlock the sailing tech tree you get access to the communism button dont have to build tanks to defend from invasion?
>>2552065but china had a workers revolution and now they are working to build the material foundation for the abolition of wage labor, commodity production and capitalist social relations
>>2548174Still the country that is doing the most hiring. It also pays more than any other country (other than the ones that execute gays in MENA)
>>2552082>and now they are working to build the material foundation for the abolition of wage labor, commodity production and capitalist social relationsOkay, and how are they doing that
‘I don’t want to work; I want to join the party’: China’s viral cry for stabilityhttps://www.thinkchina.sg/society/i-dont-want-work-i-want-join-party-chinas-viral-cry-stability?
<On Douyin, millions joke about quitting work to “serve the people”. But the humour masks real exhaustion — and a growing belief that life inside the system is safer than life outside it. Lianhe Zaobao’s China Desk looks into this trend.
>In recent days, China’s short-video platform Douyin has been flooded with clips humorously declaring, “I don’t want to work; I want to join the party.”
>In these videos, users — often migrant workers, delivery riders, factory hands, and online content creators — face the camera and say with mock sincerity: “I don’t want to work, and I don’t want to farm either. I just want to join the party and serve the people.”
>Under Chinese hashtags like #DontWantToWork and #WantToJoinTheParty, which have together attracted hundreds of millions of views, the trend mixes irony with aspiration, revealing both fatigue with low-wage labour and a wry nod to official ideals.
<The desirable and dangerous system
>One account named “Wang Rui” (王瑞), which usually promotes traditional Chinese medicine probiotics for cattle and sheep, said: “I don’t want to feed cows anymore. I want to join the party, become a provincial governor or a minister — or if that doesn’t work, just a village head. Whether I hold office or not doesn’t matter; what matters is serving the people.”
>Though the account has only a little over a thousand followers, this particular video received 38,000 likes and more than 700 comments.
<Harder than ever to enter the system
>The desire to join the party and enter the system is very real when viewed through the data. As of the end of last year, the total number of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) members reached 100.27 million, an increase of nearly 1.09 million from the previous year. Meanwhile, the number of applicants for the civil service exam has continued to climb, hitting a record high of 3.41 million last year.
>For the ongoing 2026 civil service recruitment cycle, the eligibility age has been raised from 35 to 38, but the number of planned hires has been reduced by 1,600. This marks the first contraction after seven consecutive years of expansion since 2019. With the relaxed age limit and a growing number of graduates, competition is set to become even fiercer.
>Li Manqing, acting CEO of Huatu Education — a company specialising in civil service exam training — told Southern Weekly that the reduction in national civil service recruitment offers a clear signal for local governments, state-owned enterprises, and public institutions, many of which may also reduce or even freeze hiring. “In the coming years, we can expect a gradual, small-scale contraction in recruitment.”
>This trend aligns with the central government’s policy direction. Under the dual pressures of fiscal strain and technological advancement, Beijing aims to gradually downsize staffing levels and administrative headcount within the state system. The government work report released in March explicitly called for “strict control over the number of personnel supported by public finances.”Guests’ cars are parked at Tiananmen Square near the Great Hall of the People on the eve of China’s National Day, in Beijing on 30 September 2025. (Adek Berry/AFP)
>According to research by Zhang Jun, Ma Xinrong, and Liu Zhikuo from Fudan University’s China Centre for Economic Studies, China had a total of 68.46 million people supported by public finances as of 2020. While the overall number has continued to grow, the number of on-roll employees within the establishment has shown signs of stabilising, or even slightly declining.
<Trimming the fat
>At the local level, reforms are already underway. In April last year, Henan province announced that, excluding schools and hospitals, it had streamlined 60.7% of its public institutions, abolishing 137 agencies and cutting staffing quotas by 46.9%. Earlier, Heilongjiang province launched a similar reform in 2018, and by the end of 2019, had reduced the number of public institutions by 51% and staffing by 29%.
>With the economy slowing and both tax revenue and land-sale income shrinking, paying civil servants has become a growing burden for many local governments, with some even resorting to diverting funds from other earmarked projects to cover wages.
>The National Audit Office’s 2024 fiscal audit report revealed that 16 provinces and 175 counties diverted a total of 4.16 billion RMB (US$586 million) last year to repay local government debts or pay public-sector salaries.
>Public institutions such as hospitals and schools face similar financial pressures. Reports by 21st Century Business Herald and The Paper in 2023 noted that, due to falling hospital profits, doctors in Henan, Guangxi, and Beijing experienced widespread pay cuts. Some university teachers reported monthly salaries as low as 4,000 to 5,000 RMB, barely enough to make ends meet.
>Not only have wages and bonuses at public institutions shrunk or been delayed, but profits at state-owned and state-controlled enterprises have also declined — their total profits for the first eight months of this year fell 2.7% year-on-year.People walk past a brokerage house, as an electronic board displays stock index information graph, in the Central Business District (CBD) in Beijing, China, 13 October 2025. (Maxim Shemetov/Reuters)
>Meanwhile, reforms aimed at breaking the so-called “iron rice bowl” in the state sector are accelerating. In September last year, the state-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council ordered that, by 2025, all state-owned enterprises must implement systems of “bottom-rank adjustment” and “exit for incompetence”. Under these measures, employees who consistently perform at the bottom may be demoted or dismissed, while those deemed unfit for their roles could have their contracts terminated.
>Outside the establishment, layoffs and “optimisations” have become routine in major internet companies, property firms, and financial institutions.
<Desire to enter the system fuelled by insecurity
>Despite news of pay cuts and staffing reductions, enthusiasm for joining the system remains strong. Outside the establishment, layoffs and “optimisations” have become routine in major internet companies, property firms, and financial institutions.
>According to a Caixin report in August this year, one major internet company’s workforce had fallen to 35,900 by the end of 2024, a drop of about 21% from its 2021 peak. Alibaba’s employee count also fell sharply from 255,000 in 2022 to 124,000 as of 31 March this year, a reduction of over 50%. The report noted that those over 35 years old are often the first to be “adjusted out”, a trend that has reshaped young people’s career preferences.
>A university student in Shanghai preparing for the civil service exam in his hometown put it bluntly: “If you get laid off from a private company around 35, you have to start over in middle age. It’s just too insecure.”
>The 2024 College Graduate Employability Report by zhaopin.com found that 73.1% of graduates hope to enter government agencies, public institutions, or central state-owned enterprises, while the share of graduates hoping to work for private firms has fallen from 25.1% in 2020 to 12.5% in 2024.
<The gig economy as an option
>Meanwhile, a growing number of middle-aged unemployed workers are being pushed into the gig economy, deepening the overall sense of insecurity in society. According to Caijing magazine, over 70% of China’s ride-hailing drivers joined the industry after losing their previous jobs.
>An article in a September issue of The Economist noted that about 200 million people in China now participate in the gig economy — roughly 40% of the urban labour force. These platform-based workers enjoy flexibility but face unstable income, long hours, and minimal social protections. Many cannot afford homes or access basic public services and social security, making them the “vulnerable employed."
>This “gig-ification” trend is no longer confined to platforms like Didi or Meituan, but is spreading into manufacturing. Zhang Dandan, Deputy Dean of Peking University’s National School of Development and a researcher in labour economics, observed last year that traditional long-term, stable employment is increasingly replaced by short-term and gig-based hiring, which has become the dominant form of labour in many factories. Most of these workers lack long-term contracts, have low social insurance coverage, and struggle to protect their labour rights.
>From city service jobs to factory assembly lines, more people now live with employment instability and anxiety. In such a context, the relative stability of the state system appears all the more precious. As one private-sector employee put it: “It just feels safer to be in the system.”
>The drive to join the establishment has not always been this strong. In the early years of China’s reform and opening up, many left government jobs to start businesses. A decade ago, amid the booming mobile internet era, it was common for civil servants to quit and join tech companies.
>Between 2015 and 2016, applications for the national civil service exam fell sharply, even sparking public discussion about civil servant attrition.
>However, in the aftermath of the pandemic, the trend reversed dramatically. In 2022, the number of national civil service exam applicants soared past two million for the first time and has continued to rise each year. In a time of geopolitical uncertainty and slowing economic growth, the aspiration to “join the party, enter the system, and serve the people” now reflects a deeper longing for an imperfect but stable safe harbour.This article was first published in Lianhe Zaobao as “不想上班、不想种田，想入党？”.
>>2552046lmao you were literally wrong about what you said about marx and just ignored that, and you have no understanding dialectical materalism
>>2552155When Marx said the productive forces have developed he obviously meant when workers are the majority and then some (around 3000 years of wage slavery under AES) rather than the eradication of feudal structures.
CHINA just did it again
China becomes first to transmute thorium into uranium for nuclear fissionhttps://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202511/05/WS690aa6e3a310f215074b9062.htmlThousands of years, even millions of years of energy unlocked
>>2552046you dont even know what imperialist mean you moron
and the fact is they are already the industrial superpower of the world despite also not being fully developed should make you realize how fucking effective a communist party leadership is
>>2552112hmm idk what does marx say is the material premise for communism?
>>2552335marx believe that it was imperative for the productive forces to be ripe enough for the horizon of communism. however that hasn't been the case since the advance capitalist west would have had their social revolutions by now if it were true. when it comes to china, they're still trying to urbanize another third of their population who are still pretty rural and relatively poor compared to those in the west. now with the period since deng, china's goal has been to rapidly build up their industrial manufacturing capacity and build out the critical infrastructure for modern healthcare, education, roads, highways, mass transit, energy grids, and more. it's a tough task due to the sheer size of China's 1.4 billion population but a lot of progress has been made. by 2035, china aims to achieve “basic socialist modernization,” including industrial and technological leadership, a high-income economy, and more equitable social outcomes. china's degree of urbanizaiton should be similar to OECD countries by then.
>>2552112this is where china's new quality productive forces comes in with their major investments in AI/automation (destroys the need for wage labor and profit motive) and green tech (supplies abundant energy for this new industrial capacity). by 2049, the centenary of the People’s Republic, the Party envisions a “modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced, and harmonious," with the new quality productive forces supplying the material basis for a mature socialism and onto communism. see
>>2551398>>2551349>>2551339>>2551329 >>2552501AI really is a super nuke. I've been thinking about this lately, where previously most of my focus was on the BRI and undermining the ability for capital to move to cheaper places by developing those places, which itself is a nuke. But the double tap comes with AI, after computers they had to do neoliberalism and claw back a bunch of social services and bust unions to prop up the rate of profit, but this time they have nothing left. They could totally privatize social security and medicare and get rid of SNAP completely eliminate public education and it would be a drop in the bucket maybe give them 5 years optimistically, while the social cost would be enormous. If there is another 2008 they could limp to 10 years with outside help, except it doesn't exist outside china and they wouldn't take it, and we would see total collapse in one generation as diseases that were previously solved and mass illiteracy return.
>>2552510>after computers they had to do neoliberalism and claw back a bunch of social services and bust unions to prop up the rate of profit, but this time they have nothing left.I find it exceedingly funny that they claim that China is capitalist when the actual real deal capitalism by now means poverty and attempts to start wars all over the globe for profit, like in the olden days. Sinophobic left even presents it's in such a way that "capitalism" that is cozy, not warlike, with constant economic growth, growing wages, progress all over the place, and the neoliberal poverty kind are one and the same thing. No wonder there needs to be a distinction - like Sakai's Settlers - to explain how blatantly different systems are one. But if Sakai was a creature of his time, where USA was a top dog, they'll have to produce some new creature, who will declare bravely that China is "settler", and China's people are labor aristocracy of the world, benefitting from impoverishing USA and EU
>>2552501>destroys the need for wage labor and profit motiveIn Communist China, labour power is not a commodity. The proletariat cannot sell its own labour to itself. Under capitalism, wage is the price of labour power. No matter how large the newly created value is, the part that belongs to the worker is only equal to the value of those means of livelihood necessary for the reproduction of labor power. In Communist China, all value created by the producer is at the service of the proletariat therefore the law of surplus-value (profit-motive) is abolished
>>2550987>"Counterrevolution" is when you deny the coup.And years later, they'll pretend they never supported the coup in the first place.
>>2552524>No wonder there needs to be a distinction - like Sakai's Settlers - to explain how blatantly different systems are one. But if Sakai was a creature of his time, where USA was a top dog, they'll have to produce some new creature, who will declare bravely that China is "settler"…That's what they've been doing for years now, especially with the "Uighur Genocide" and "New Qing History".
>>2552492>let me just link list of works that I never read that debunks my liberalism>literally linking critique of gothaBanger honestly
>>2552563what does "and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly" mean to you and what is its material precondition?
>>2552566Retard can't choose between China being a semi feudal shithole or higher phase communism (where no state or class exist)
l m a o
>>2552568did anyone say china has reached higher phase communism?
>>2552568We all know that the state is socialism, and thus the absolute monarchy - "state is a me!" - is the highest stage of socialism
>>2551829The woman in the video is literally influenced by Western racism, apart from how “uyghur killer” is from English racist meme culture, why would Chinese racism praise his girlfriend for being white?
>>2552583>unknown it was burgers did it, bet (am burger and can say it due to daily familiarity with our snakelike ways)
>>2551974…are we considering Marx to be perfect now? Because Britain clearly wasn’t ready for communism, 100 years later and they still even have a fucking monarch
>>2552583>the plea<'Send Elon,' one user posted on X. Another wrote, 'When you're stuck in space, who you gonna call? Elon Musk and SpaceX.'nice reporting dailymail
>>2552583*return capsule damaged by debris, internet people say Musk should help
>>2552583Should fake news be punishable by death?
>>2551986He did though, at least in this context, and if by 18th century they meant the ~1850s and not 1700s. He said they had the productive forces but not the necessary worker organizing. That's why by Lenin's time we get decaying monopoly capitalism.
>>2552590His idea was that if they had a revolution at the time they could have flipped Germany and France and then done a one world government and started shipping free stuff around the world. The same could happen now with the conditions in the US if everyone woke up communist tomorrow and they allied with China you could get rid of markets in under a decade and politics would just be a matter of integrating the US and then finishing the belt and road and distributing factories and nuclear reactors according to need. The whole reason Dengists keep building more means of production and so slowly is for self defense and because they cant simply just match or exceed but have to eclipse the capitalists while spreading the wealth to control the fallout from the thrashing.
That is what the "18th century Britain" meme always misses is the relative context, the historical and material conditions
>>2552621No he did not. Marx did not say that the productive forces were fully ready by the 1850s. In Capital (1867), he analyzed capitalism as still developing, especially industrial production, global trade, and finance. He did believe that the proletariat was growing and class struggle was intensifying, but he didn’t think the system had reached its limit.
100 years later, productive forces were still not sufficient enough for the USSR to realize the stage of communism. By the 1970s and 1980s, the USSR even fell behind the capitalist West and living standards would stagnate. Economic growth slowed and innovation lagged compared to the dynamic, consumer driven West. The world wide web and the laptop was invented in capitalist societies like the UK and Japan. In the Soviet Union, the central planning model started becoming inflexible and unresponsive. Shortages, inefficiencies, and black markets grew. Part of this is because the USSR began in material deprivation, surrounded by hostile capitalist powers. And unlike the West, it also did not benefit from centuries of colonial plunder or capital accumulation. The global system remained capitalist; the USSR was constantly under pressure (economic, military, ideological). Meanwhile, the West had access to global labor, markets, and resources via neo-colonial structures, foreign debt, and imperial alliances (e.g., Bretton Woods, IMF, NATO). Planned economies can initially mobilize resources efficiently, especially in catching up. But they tend to struggle with responsiveness, and complexity. The material conditions also weren’t ready. Automation, AI, abundant renewable energy, robotics, global productivity weren’t there yet.
>>2552636>he analyzed capitalism as still developingin England?
>reached its limitDidn't say that and it doesnt need to
>100 years later, productive forces were still not sufficient enough for the USSRbecause it is relative not absolute and the USSR didn't have the dominance that the British Empire or US did or do
>Automation, AI, abundant renewable energy, robotics, global productivity weren’t there yet.you only need this because of imperialist threat and population growth. if revolution happened in imperialist countries first then communist countries wouldnt have to compete
>>2552650>Didn't say that and it doesnt need toWrong.
>if revolution happened in imperialist countries first It didn't so you're blabbing about idealist non marxist nonsense
Marx talks about how as the forces of production advances, it drives changes to the relations of production:
“At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of society come into conflict with the existing relations of production… From forms of development of the productive forces these relations turn into their fetters. Then begins an era of social revolution.” – Marx
"No social order ever perishes before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have developed; and new, higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself. " – Marx
Once the material productive forces outgrows beyond what the existing relations of production can accommodate, a contradiction arises. The relations of production, which once facilitated the development of the productive forces, begin to act as constraint (what Marx calls "fetters") on further progress. This contradiction gives rise to a transitional period marked by social revolution. In this period, class conflict intensifies and ultimately leads to the overthrow of the existing social order. A new set of relations of production then emerge, ones that are better suited to the level of development of the productive forces.
"In the social production of their life, men enter into definite relations that are indispensable and independent of their will, relations of production which correspond to a definite stage of development of their material productive forces." – Marx
For instance, the Agricultural Revolution marks a critical turning point in human history. It represented a leap in the the productive forces where agriculture, domestication of animals, irrigation systems, and improved tool led to a significant increase in food surplus. Settlements grew, and with them, social hierarchies and more complex economies developed, including allowing some individuals to specialize in activities other than food production, initiating a division of labor.
With the emergence of surplus came the concept of private property and systems of inheritance, which laid the foundation for the first class divisions. Those who controlled land, tools, or surplus resources began to hold power over others. Over time, these material inequalities became institutionalized in social structures. The need to protect property and manage growing, more complex societies gave rise to centralized authority which manifests in the formation of city-states, organized religion, standing armies, and hierarchical rule by kings and priests. And thus we get feudalism. But the development of the productive forces necessitates a transformation of the social and economic relations meaning the relations of production. This in turns create a new superstructure.
>>2552679It's not a wunderwaffen since it actually works and can be mass produced.
You're thinking of NASA, Skunk Works, Ukrainian Flamingo, Anduril, NATO junk in general.
>>2552679lol buttblasted nafobot
>>2552568china haters arent sending their best
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