>>2539111>Gazans You mean Palestinians? Can you ziggers try less to sound like zionists or is this impossible
>>2539810Eh, well leftypol and Reddit alike have for many years considered the KPRF a socdem party. I didn't actually know it was the KPRF behind the Yeltsin Center shit, so Western rabble-rousing I will admit is unlikely – probably more like the kind of token resistance that UR allows.
>>2539814>well leftypol and Reddit alike have for many years considered the KPRF a socdem party.That's rather the pot calling the kettle black lmao
>probably more like the kind of token resistance that UR allows.I think it's more likely that the primary concerns for the KPRF are that of most parties in states that are in the gunsights of western imperialism, it's resistance and defence against the imperialists. Thus, it's not surprising that the KPRF, United Russia and Putin as an independent are collaborationists with each other to that end. We will hear a party like United Russia paying credence to the idea that neoliberalism is a weakening, even traitorous force in Russia, because that's true regardless of whether you're the state charged ironically with protecting the bourgeoise from themselves when under threat, or you're a communist party that wishes to see industry remain exactly where it can be seized by the proletariat it represents.
Perhaps United Russia doesn't wish to drag Yeltsin's legacy through the mud themselves just yet, but neoliberalism will no doubt be considered the "western" form of oligarchal capitalism that Yeltsin "mistakingly" pursued, whereas the apparently developing "authentically Russian" style of capitalism this conflict necessitates, and adopting the "China model" of socialist market economy likewise espoused by the KPRF even prior to the invasion, will likely look very similar I'm sure.
>>2539791>>2539826I think it's mostly that the KPRF leadership knows what will happen to them if they publicly start shit against United Russia. Without a revolutionary situation at hand AND majority support they'd just be murdered and the party suppressed (as happened to the Ukrainian communists). Chairlords on here like to talk as if every communist party is in 1917 and just needs the will to power.
>>2539826>That's rather the pot calling the kettle black lmaoI know, heh, but when leftypol and Reddit leftist subs are aligned on something, it's usually a sign that an obvious trvke has dropped.
>Perhaps United Russia doesn't wish to drag Yeltsin's legacy through the mud themselves just yetIt's hard to insult Yeltsin without insulting Putin, which is why when I heard about the Yeltsin Center thing, I thought it was the doing of one of outfits that our resident anti-campists like to quote.
>>2539832>Chairlords on here like to talk as if every communist party is in 1917 and just needs the will to power.Yeah or they see any kind of destabilising situation as intrinsically "pregnant with revolution" that communist parties
must exploit if they're not sell-outs, even when that situation is incredibly biased towards the interests of anyone
except the proletariat.
They demand it in Russia now, meanwhile Syria has already been discarded as "was a lost cause anyway".
>>2539836I think Ukraine is a good example of that. 2014 was a revolutionary moment but the communists did not have majority support, or at least acquiescence, and as a result were murdered and suppressed. Same as Germany in 1919.
Servant of the People MP:
>Out of 120 soldiers only 7 are infantry
>Sometimes as many as 13 commanders for every soldier
Luckily the special posting operation can continue with those ratios.
Some pro-Russian commentators interpret Putin's behavior in recent days (army gear, historical map of Novorossiya, new missile, etc.) as a sign that he's finally moved on from Don the Con and the diplomacy sham and will now get down to business, but if we consider that it's all meant to be seen, it looks like just another PR effort to scare the US into continuing the diplomacy sham.
>>2539864Sounds like cope. Putin moving on from The Don would be strikes on arms depots in Poland.
yes Russia won, can germany and france start ww3 over it already im getting impatient
>>2539899>>2539864tbh all the diplomacy under Trump was at his own request, it's the Trump camp that is getting schizo where one day Ukraine needs to surrender because it's over so start writing up the terms and literally the next day they're on course to retake full 1991 borders by force so burn the terms. Russia's progress through the war has been more or less static, just because the Trump government is stumbling about like a newborn giraffe, that doesn't necessarily mean Putin wearing camo when addressing the military is in anyway reciprocal stumbling by Russia.
I mean what else can be said by Lavrov? Other than just sighing.
>>2539913This is why I'm glad Budapest isn't happening. Don't wanna breathe new life into the circus. No need to meet the Americans now until they force Ukraine to capitulate, and even then there'll be 1,000 snares for the unwary.
>>2539922Absolutely, it also bothers me that Russia continues on at its own predictable pace but really monotonous announcements/acts/appearances by Russian state figures all get interpreted as direct responses to the various death throes for Trump's credibility as a strong negotiator and deal maker.
There's really no reason why Trump should get such an easy ride as he meanders between the extremes on Ukraine, hopelessly trying to strong arm
anyone in NATOpia at this point with rhetoric and failing, but being let off by asserting this floundering MUST be getting a reaction out of Putin because he like, showed up for work to day, that means Trump has gotten his attention!
>>2539949What seems to be happening here is that Trump agreed upon something at Alaska without running it by his neocon advisors, probably thinking he can renege on it later after getting what he wants, not expecting the Russians to continue beating him over the head with it for specifics and concrete implementation.
At first I thought Lavrov and Peskov were talking about Trump's public agreement that a permanent peace agreement needs to be reached, not a ceasefire, but in a recent briefing, Peskov refused to disclose the "concept" presented by the US, so there must've been something else.
>>2539974>probably thinking he can renege on it later after getting what he wantsPossibly, but I think he genuinely wants to be some transformative POOTUS breaking with convention and being a libertarian DiSruPtoR like his tech bro buddies to question the efficiency and efficacy of funding countries
other than the US at all.
What he is discovering is, raising the hair of the "deep state" by arranging to shake Kim Jong-Un's hand with the implication that a "selfish" peace is cheaper than funding the South Koreans is one thing, actually trying to *implement* a selfish peace over Ukraine is quite another.
I suspect he gets a bollocking all the time from various DoD and EU figures who threaten all sorts to prevent him from taking whatever the latest action his entourage comes up with to basically cut off Ukraine, but being the arrogant so and so he is, he probably still doesn't believe that shitcanning Ukraine
really matters and you can run an empire on a budget of nil with enough efficiency and deal making.
Like JFC the whole debacle about demanding arbitrary "trade deals" that involve just handing over money to the US in exchange for *fewer* tariffs, is just the geopolitical version of that cringe lesson libertarian parents try to teach their kids that "Receiving money is nice, but ackshually have you considered that paying sucks!?".
>>2539862I saw that video in Ukr Leaks. It's interesting, the same MP said that those commander deserve jail. but I guess zelya is busier financing his missile program.
>>2539864recently
not too coincidentially, Russian Tv talked about landing strikes on Europe as a retaliation for the first time. Particularly Poland, Germany, and the Baltics, among other places.
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>>2540164>Comments will be premoderatedWhat a novel ideal, moderation.
Pokrovsk status?
I still thinks this thread and the thread on /pol/ about the war is astrosurfed by russia shills, I genuinly cannot understand how a leftist board and a right board both support the same country, I think someone is getting manipulated both here and at /pol/, I think for real this thread is astrosurfed as fuck.
>>2540191Leftists support Russia because they think Western imperialism can be weakened by this war.
Rightists support Russia because they think their nations are ruled by globalists/Jews so they want their own govts to fall so that the real nationalists get into power.
>>2540210I don't see how this war weakens the imperialism, because what made it happens is to strengthen NATO in Europe and give a excuse to many european nation to re arm themselves, honestly this wars is a disaster for Russia in general term, made their enemies unite more, got more dependent on China and bleeding many resource to get few KM of land in Ukraine.
>>2540191It's almost as if nobody on leftypol has a genuine leftist bone in their whole fucking body and they're just a bunch of /pol/tards having an identity crisis.
Teste
>>2540219Then how you would go to define a "true" leftist then?
>>2540217.>>2540219
the point of the war was to make Russia balkanize which would put NATO on the path of taking out China afterwards. the same people who fail to see NATO as an important part of why you would be anti-Ukraine tend to also refuse to acknowledge that the 2014 coup in Ukraine had anything to do with NATO or this war happening later, or that NATO is a worse evil for humanity now and historically than Russia with all its worts. If you had a leftist bone in YOUR body you would oppose imperialism, and if you opposed imperialism you would stop turning a selective blind eye to historical context.
>>2540191It's still a minority. Most of /pol/ is still all about hating jews, women and minorities. Threads about Russia are mostly hatred and chud sneering at ze inferior slavs. People at /chug/ are basically outsiders, they regularly say that "outerpol" is shit and you shouldn't visit it.
>>2540191Jewish nigger, do you know what happened to Ukrainian communists? Compare that to what happened to Ukrainian fascists. What retards on the internet say isn't nearly as important. Let's just say any communist in the world has reasons to despise the post-2014 ultrareactionary dictatorship there. That's not even mentioning the whole trajectory of its existence since 1991, one can't possibly call it a trajectory of development. You would despise Ukraine much like most of its citizens if you had empathy and weren't a sheltered manchild out for brownie points.
>>2540233Ah yes, the ukrainian people got angry to be under the boot of soviet russia and then outlaw communism out of revenge, and let other political position appear to contrast against the old soviet communist, they did like many other east european countries and outlaw communism in a extreme response to the old soviet mandented commnism, you're histerial thinking that ukraine is literal nazi germany, get a grip shill
>>2540191Of course it is. The shills are obvious…otherwise there are not many posts ITT.
>>2540234lol?
The communist party of Ukraine was the largest parliamentary party in 1994 and 1998 elections. The states that wanted to
>outlaw communism in a extreme response to the old soviet mandented commnismdidn't need to wait 20 years, Yeltsin did it in 1993. And yet we all know that in even that circumstance it was just bourgeois attacking communists. Your narrative makes no sense at all.
I actually got this from wikipedia
>According to Ukrainian publicist and political analyst Mykola Riabchuk, the result of the election was a clear sign that the majority of the population preferred to see the newly proclaimed independent state as a continuation of the old Soviet Ukraine, and tended to demonize the democratic opposition as "nationalists". The failure to make a clear break with the Soviet legacy resulted in Ukraine emerging as a "hybrid state", where old Soviet identities and institutions coexisted with modern national ones. >>2540210>Leftists support Russia because they think Western imperialism can be weakened by this war.except russian leftists don't?
>>2540217>strengthen NATO in Europe and give a excuse to many european nation to re arm themselvesexcept it is weakening nato and they are incapable of rearmament
>>2539786But muh abusive relashunship analogy
>>2540210I just wanna see the war burn but unfortunately too many cucks around to make this a reality…
>>2540456That's a good thing, not a bad thing. Whatever way this war ends, the best thing is for the violence to subside.
>>2540168Heh, I thought you were talking about some new premoderation message being sent here on leftypol. I was about to blow a fuse.
>>2540191>I still thinks this thread and the thread on /pol/ about the war is astrosurfed by russia shills, I genuinly cannot understand how a leftist board and a right board both support the same country, I think someone is getting manipulated both here and at /pol/, I think for real this thread is astrosurfed as fuck.What an inane argument. If we supported Ukraine here, we could be accused of siding with white nationalists and Nazi sympathizers like Richard Spencer, which would be another inane argument, but the point is demonstrated.
>>2540132>Russian Tv talked about landing strikes on Europe as a retaliation for the first time. Particularly Poland, Germany, and the Baltics, among other places.Isn't that just Soloviev, who's been saying such things for years, or is Doclolcowtorow right that Russian TV is being spammed with hawkish calls for Putin to reestablish deterrence?
>>2540500>Doclolcowtorow who tf is this meant to mean
>>2540500 (me)
Btw, if Putin has actually entered a "reestablish deterrence" phase, showing off a new missile isn't going to do it. Why? Because the US already knows that Russia has cool missiles (STRATCOM guy even testified to Congress that Russia is ahead in strategic development).
If Russia has lost deterrence (which can be debated because NATO isn't exactly doing mass strikes on Moscow), it's because of the perception that a country unwilling to respond proportionately to conventional attacks is unlikely going to use some first-strike nuclear attack.
>>2540509Gilbert Doctorow has been sitting around in St. Petersburg calling Putin a coward whose restraint is inviting the very WWIII he's trying to avoid. He says that Putin is becoming increasingly isolated, noting a wave of criticism on Russian TV and incidents like Deputy FM Ryabkov saying diplomacy with the US has been exhausted (only for Putin and Peskov to contradict him and insist that diplomacy with Donny is still open).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-0AI0iDvJo Unique IPs: 24