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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

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Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
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Previous Thread: >>2550144

Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trolls
Not reporting is bourgeois
Violators will be launched from trebuchet
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>>2552818
the population will love a benevolent imperialist is the point

>>2552820
And my point is you don't have a clue what you're talking about

>>2552815
Will Mamdani make the Z train actually useful?

>>2552821
neither do you, you are critiquing the aesthetics rather than the actual substance


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Revolution soon

>>2552675
literally wasn't defending china, YOU brought it up to deflect from AMERICA, where YOU live, after YOU cried about having to hear podcasters talk about the genocide that YOUR government commits and which YOU do nothing about. YOU are pathetic.

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>>2552784
boomers can't meme.

>>2552832
Absolute gemmy!


>>2552624
Couldnt agree more.

>>2552776
>a hypothetical anti-imperialist power isn't what china is
>anti-imperialism is whatever I state and define with my construct of imperialism/anti-imperialism.
>I smarts!

>a power that makes the conditions that creates imperialism impossible

imagine blaming everyone else, except the US for the US imperialism.

The China Palestine thing is overwhelmingly one guy on vpn's

>>2552843
if you don't want to hear about the genocide any more stop your government from committing it

>>2552858
what do you mean by the China Palestine thing. that could refer to a number of posters with opposite opinions.

apparently nyc-dsa is withholding dues and trying to split from the national org? anyone have more info?

>>2552870
maybe call up NYC DSA headquarters and ask 'em

>>2552784
Watching anime and marvel movies is peak burguer culture.

>>2552855
how do you get by in life being this fucking illiterate? seriously, and that definition is pretty solid

>>2552762
Libs: We should use government money to help the economy.

MAGA: Ogey.

>>2552880
right back you.
and like the other anon pointed out. you are to the right of the bbc, shitlib.

oh boy i'm being told on leftypol my government commits genocide and i should organize against that. time to complain about having to hear about it and plug my ears and say "what about china" over and over as if the conversation began with that

>>2552762
lib media specifically focuses on hypocrisy and petty drama to avoid any mention of the class struggle. like no shit people are hypocritical. wielding power is fundamentally "hypocritical." nobody wants power wielded against them but everyone wants to wield power. wow. deep. this definitely hasn't been pointed out over and over since we began to speak some time in prehistory.

>>2552764
The protests they organize are basically just "march around, say some slogans, maybe complain at an empty building".
Their protests are also heavily managed, with people in hi vis vests making sure that people are "peaceful" and that marchers stay on the parade route approved by the police department.
Also, I've read about them marching in such a way that people get kettled by cops. (Mainly citing the Californian instances of Occupy Wall Street and the burgerkrieg wave of 2020)

For example during the big groundswell of anti ICE activity in Los Angeles earlier this summer they redirected many people who wanted to do "something" to go to City Hall instead of the federal building in downtown LA where some of ICE's processing of detainees was taking place.

As for like community activity they don't really do much to try to address people's needs and get those people to fight for themselves, then again the whole spectrum of national orgs from DSA to PSL to RCP to FRSO struggle with that. Thankfully local independent orgs have been developing to meet that purpose (ex:the LA anti ICE wave developing in part from an ICE warning system actually bringing out people to stop raids in progress)

So all in all, PSL employ terrible tactics and try to act as a vanguard with no base, but they aren't feds.

>>2552888
Of course they’re feds. If they’re a self proclaimed communist party not organizing the proletariat for armed revolt then they’re just a honeypot for western liberals who want to feel like they’re “doing something” without actually taking any risks because they implicitly understand that with imperialism comes their quality of life. Same with any other “communist” party in your cursed country

NYC became anti-semitic thanks to the "Abu Zohran al-Mamdani"?
no, it was a fucking false flag.
worst part is, Mamdani ran to criticize the swastika.

>>2552624


have the responsible jailed? the Palestine situation mustn't be memory-holed by your dopamine-addicted brain.
>China is infinitely more important to my ideology than that little strip of land.
both are important, not talking about Palestine is a sickening imperialist genocide whitewashing.

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>>2552893
>If they’re a self proclaimed communist party not organizing the proletariat for armed revolt
<they implicitly understand that with imperialism comes their quality of life
I have so many questions when I read posts like this and I can't ask them all at once without creating a distracted mess of a conversation but here goes nothing:

1. why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt whose ultimate goal is to lower the quality of their own life?

2. if imperialism improves the quality of life of the imperial core proletariat, then why has the last 55 years of neoliberal imperialism resulted in more austerity, more privatization, more deindustrialization, more deregulation, decrease of unionization, decrease of longevity, stagnation of wages, increase of incarceration, etc.?

3. Are you open to the idea that imperialism simply decreases the quality of life of proles everywhere, but not equally? Like obviously American workers aren't suffering the way Palestinian workers are suffering, but they are suffering. The American worker's quality of life decreases because of imperialism, just not as quickly or intensely as someone in the countries targeted for regime change and resource extraction.

4. Did you know that the richest 10% of Americans now account for 50% of all spending in the economy?

5. Did you know that Americans pay more for healthcare than other imperial core countries?

6. If the imperial core bourgeoisie specifically deindustrialized to create a large de-radicalized population and a reserve army of labor that can be shuffled around between service sector jobs, is it really productive to blame the (former) proletariat for this deproletarianization process which was spearheaded by the bourgeoisie?

none of this is to say that americans shouldn't give a shit about american imperialism or shouldn't oppose it

>>2552814
yea sounds very ESL lol, huge surprise

>>2552894
>what kind of hat is the gentleman on the bicycle wearing

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>The US intervened in a case where Boeing was accused of murdering people, intentionally with poor design comply and ineffective quality control.
<At US government request, the court dropped the case.
>same company where TWO whistleblowers "died": John Mitch Barnett, and Joshua Dean.
>there are other whistleblowers, however, Barnett's role was as senior quality control at boeing, unlike the rest that worked at Spirit, auditors, or contractors, highlighting his superior position and importance.


well, apparently MIC corporations can go killing, even their own citizens without any punishment.

>>2552800
>it's not that they simply export capital that i make a note of, it's that they specifically export the ability to continue to produce it and will benefit from it
<umm win-win relationships between global south countries are bad!
you fucking damn right they export the ability to produce it, and not just that, they are actively industrializing africa by building power stations, power grids, industrial parks, and factories, something western colonialism rarely did. read marx. the advancement of the forces of production is what drives change to the relations of production, meaning you can't build full socialism (much less communism) on the basis of economic and industrial backwardness. there's levels to this shit. china has built more roads, railways, factories, dams, ports and infrastructure in the past 20 years in africa than the west built in africa in its 400 years of colonial and neo colonial rule. western multinational corporations invest in extractive sectors (mining, oil), but not much in local manufacturing or industrial base-building. the few railroads that've built led from mines to ports, not between cities. according to OECD data, only 0.1% of US investments in Africa are classified as construction-related. reminder, global south isn't poor, these countries are rich. the people are poor. they've just been long overexploited by western colonialism and the US backed world bank and IMF. what they actually need is critical infrastructure to be able to develop which is what china is doing. so shove your stupid yankee projections of zero sum game imperialism up your non dialectical ass

>>2552883
you might actually be the dumbest poster i've seen on the site, and you're competing against the guy who'd rant about jimmy neutron being a jewish plot

>>2552916
>he thinks i'm ascribing a moral quality to imperialism
if you cannot understand that i am attempting to describe an objective relation of imperialism, rather than some ultra-specific, completely useless definition that ignores inter-capitalist rivalry, then whatever you have to say is worth very little beyond the nice factoids you include there

>>2552925
attempt is the operative word, you completely failed.

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>>2552920
all edge, no point.

>>2552399
underrated stealth trvke

Ancapistan News.
-Mercado Libre wants “freedom” to exploit workers but protectionism against Chinese companies.
https://prensaobrera.com/politicas/mercado-libre-quiere-libertad-para-explotar-a-los-trabajadores-pero-proteccionismo-ante-las-empresas-chinas

>The president of Mercado Libre in Argentina, Juan Martín de la Serna, called for tougher regulations on platform-based commerce in response to the advance of Chinese competition in the region (Temu, Shein), which is affecting the quasi-monopoly of digital commerce in Argentina held by the company founded by the “liberal” Marcos Galperin. The company, whose ideological hallmark is “free trade,” wants the state to intervene and regulate the activity to preserve its business, in addition to enjoying direct benefits and subsidies from the state and benefiting from a de facto labor reform with workers outside the collective bargaining agreement and disregard for labor rights. In short, what they want is to “freely” exploit their employees without labor rights or union organization, but they are protectionist when it comes to collecting subsidies and market competition. This is capitalist liberalism in the era of monopolies.


>The statements by the Mercado Libre representative were made at the Abeceb forum, alongside other business leaders, where he said that "when you indiscriminately allow an Asian or Chinese company to send you a product by ship that takes 25 days to arrive, you can't return it afterwards. You're giving work to Chinese companies, not Argentine ones. It's even difficult to collect taxes from them, which is something that does happen with Mercado Libre. It is important for countries to regulate in some way."


>What is striking is that the founder and, until recently, CEO of Mercado Libre, Marcos Galperin, is known for being a staunch defender of economic deregulation, Javier Milei's “liberal” government, and “free trade”… as long as he monopolizes it.


>The Chinese company Temu increased its monthly users in the region by 143% in the first six months of the year alone, reaching 105 million users, threatening the position of Mercado Libre, which leads the sector in the region, with almost constant growth in recent years.


>The even more interesting contradiction of the aforementioned event is that on the same stage as De la Serna, among the speakers, was businessman Eduardo Elsztain, who currently has businesses selling gold and minerals, mainly to China, like many of the local capitalists who depend on the Asian giant for their exports. amidst President Javier Milei's trip to the United States with a speech aimed at capitalists to attract investment in the country, discursively bowing to the trade war against China, with serious difficulties in applying concrete measures in practice without affecting employer interests.


>The now “protectionists” of Mercado Libre, who defend Argentine labor over international competition—not exempt from austerity measures and layoffs—and who demand the payment of local taxes—even though the company has its headquarters in Montevideo (Uruguay) precisely in order to evade national taxes—are “liberals à la carte,” demanding the freedom to exploit their workers with their own flexible collective agreement, in conditions that violate labor rights, or the freedom to trade without fiscal impediments, but demanding regulation against competition, subsidies such as those in the Knowledge Economy Law, with reductions in income tax and employer contributions, among other things.


>They are the privileged capitalists who rail against the state and its regulations but live off rigged deals and the benefits and privileges granted by capitalist governments. That is why Milei welcomed one of the leading exponents of this dynamic to the United States, José Luis Manzano, with investments in sectors such as energy, communications, and technology, totally dependent on business with the state and subsidies and privileges in his favor.


>Capitalists demand fiscal and economic policy reforms tailored to their needs, even if this means bidding between different contradictory sectors and contradictory policies, all of which are against the interests of workers, just as they intend with the anti-worker labor reform that they all defend. They must be defeated with independent organization and popular mobilization to guarantee workers' rights and demands.

>>2552782
>no doubt about it, but is it actually "anti-imperialist"? no
it is, if foments independence from actual imperialist states.
> it's merely a new form of imperialism
you can't even define imperialism.

>>2552946
>tl;dr
BAIL US OUT, MR ORANGE SIR.

>>2552901
they will ignore this and instead reply to bait

new thread >>2552955

>>2552953
your answer to #2 admits it doesn't increase the quality of life of people in the imperial core, nullifying your answer to the other questions, but your answer low effort ragebait anyway

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>>2552958
he deleted it realizing he needs to rewrite it to be more angry

>>2552901
>1. why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt whose ultimate goal is to lower the quality of their own life?
Historically, we saw the same process in the Segunda Republica Española (i.e). See, the process of de-colonization that freed millions in Latin-America struck a severe blow to Spain’s wealthy classes. While the old elites yearned for past epochs of glory, stuck in the past, yearned the prestige they had, the imposing power (fuck even one of the kings of Spain was the king of Europe, or what remained as the Roman Empire, known as the Holy Roman Empire), the problems amounted, the situation was bleak, and poor people grew poorer. their solution was un-material: to return to imperialism. but in bankruptcy, it's impossible.
imperialism isn't a force that can be sustained forever. imperialized countries gain some force and start reclaiming better wages, winning economic battles, better life conditions, like the old Spanish colonies; similarly with China (and one of the reasons goods have become expensive) the conditions of imperialism become weaker, and the resulting system creates a good moment for communists to size control. the same way communists sized power in Spain, and Russia.
CPUSA isn't on its own fed, though their decisions are debatable, they operate under their material conditions. But the DSA it's another story. They have invited NED-funded people to talk in their forums, and have incessantly defended or justified the track record of some of their backed officials, like bernie sanders or AOC. As they will once the NYC mayor fails to deliver meaningful relief.
So why would anyone actively organize for an armed revolt?
when time comes, the only way to guarantee that the ruling elites stop their control, and the wealth is redistributed; and with this I mean the wealth that is stolen from the people, the only way you can take the US out of the current imperialist elites chaos they have set the US people up is through these organizations.
it won't be pretty, it won't be perfect, but it'll be yours, and that's the point.
>2. if imperialism improves the quality of life of the imperial core proletariat, then why has the last 55 years of neoliberal imperialism resulted in more austerity, more privatization, more deindustrialization, more deregulation, decrease of unionization, decrease of longevity, stagnation of wages, increase of incarceration, etc.?
because the system is regressing. it's collapsing as we speak. not close, not yet, not there, but the evidence in economic terms is revealing.
>3. Are you open to the idea that imperialism simply decreases the quality of life of proles everywhere, but not equally?
that's a possibility.
>4. Did you know that the richest 10% of Americans now account for 50% of all spending in the economy?
That's the condition of exploitative systems. they will exploit even their fellow countrymen. that's the point of how bad imperialism is.
>5. Did you know that Americans pay more for healthcare than other imperial core countries?
in the internal issue of imperialism, the ruling elites acknowledge that the power they have is shared across different sectors. they cannot sustain the system by simply sizing all the power by a mere number in the order of tens. the power sharing resulted from imperialism distributes from the center to the periphery inside the core, and the power share is because if they weren't to share at all, they'd face a serious threat inside, with people very close and around them continuously conspiring, then their lackeys get lackeys, and the latter will have some more, and so on. add that to the fact that US politics are unique, in which capital directly influences the institutions and laws disregarding the popular majority. these internal dynamics increase the price of the every-day person, because the power redistribution gives better wages and purchasing power. that, plus the malthusian-oriented, the hoarding-oriented characteristic of US capitalism, and other countries reclaiming less exploitative conditions, account for the main reasons that it got expensive.
>6. If the imperial core bourgeoisie specifically deindustrialized to create a large de-radicalized population and a reserve army of labor that can be shuffled around between service sector jobs, is it really productive to blame the (former) proletariat for this deproletarianization process which was spearheaded by the bourgeoisie?
there's no 'depropletarization'. service workers are proles, too.
but no, they are not to blame.

>>2553006
his only problem I see is that he doesn't quite grasp the economic contradiction between going from one stage to the other. he's unable to reconcile these things, but I think it's because the science beneath it, it's difficult for him to comprehend.
as much as there are illiteracy problems, there is economic illiteracy problems, too. and stronger.

>>2553006
>overthrow imperialism

What’s that even mean Felix? The only way to overthrow imperialism in the U.S would be a proletarian revolution. And the imperial core proletariat won’t be interested in doing that if tell them their lives will get worst. CPUSanons argument, which I assume you do understand we by choose to wildly misinterpreted and strawman is

1: the imperial core proletariat doesn’t benefit from imperialism and would actually see a marked increase in their quality of life

2: our messaging to the proletariat should mainly focus on improving their conditions. The thing they care about the most and not lecturing them or calling them dirty evil treatlites for wanting healthcare.

You might have had an argument if this was the 60s when U.S imperialism still required drafting the proletariat to project force. Nowadays the imperial machine is hidden by an array of corporations and private military contractors. Carried out with a fraction of the people once needed for imperial adventures of yesteryear. Meaning U.S prols are more detached from imperialism than ever before. Even though it’s one of the main reasons it’s driving down their quality of life. They can be educated on this but only if they join the party and they’ll only join the party if they can material benefit from it. The only people you’ll get to die trying to overthrow imperialism directly are upper class adventurerist that can afford the time and supplies needed to carry that out. Pursue that if you want and god bless you but stop pretending that CPUSanon is a fascist for trying to build party infrastructure and popular support. Something that’s desperately needed as the empire is falling apart.

>>2552888
Better than nothing I suppose, as I understood it their participation in rallies and marchs is mainly for visibility anyway.

Up to them to fix those issues, but a communist party in the burgerreich is going to have a hard time regardless…


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