/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2564660
fwiw

>>2564670
>>2564666
Whether Jolani wants to reach some kind of agreement with Israel (I'm not sure about this, I suppose it's possible), just read Israeli posts and commenters. Many admit they'd like to keep Syria disunified and chaotic, to give them "freedom of action" just in case a unified Syria is "not their friend." Israel has also occupied Mt. Hermon and tried to bring the Druze in southern Syria under their umbrella, which is also a statement to Erdogan and Jolani that they're going to protect their little sectarian enclave in the south and bomb Damascus whenever they want to. The fall of Assad also now means the Turks and Israelis are now butting up against each other, and suffice to say that they don't like each other these days, to put it mildly.

The Israelis are also lobbying in Washington to get the U.S. to support a decentralized Syria with regional autonomy for the minorities. The U.S. and CENTCOM does not support this. The U.S. wants a centralized government under Jolani and is starting to pull the plug on the YPG. But the U.S. also wants to play an intermediating role like during the Cold War. The U.S. wants to deal with Erdogan who is the single most powerful leader in the Middle East, and that's the reality.

So what happened, from my point of view, is that Assad remnants backed by Iran made a push a few months ago to topple Jolani, and they were trying to convince the U.S. to support them because some Christians have been killed by takfiri jihadi guys associated with Jolani, and they played that aspect up, but then Jolani's government called for a jihad through the mosques, and the jihadis went to the coastal areas and killed those guys along with a lot of civilians.

But that's a humanitarian issue, it's not the number one strategic concern for the U.S., which is to defeat Iran, and the U.S. is trying to explain this to the Israelis, and the Americans tell the Israelis they don't know what they're doing or what the hell they're talking about. But that's because objectively (and as weird as it sounds), Israel and Iran now have the same interests in Syria, both have an interest in keeping Syria fragmented (and also keeping the Turks out). Not that Israel and Iran are allies of any sort, but that's why there's this weird alignment between these ex-regime supporters and Israel shills who are screaming about Jolani killing Christians.

>>2564706
I largely agree with your point except when it comes to isolationism. economical self sufficiency is one thing, but we should always have a political stake in what happens in over in the strategic battlefield of Eurasia even if it means warfare

>>2564707
that's a problem with /tttt/ being a transphobic fascist psyop, not because trans people are all gender essentialists. that shit is literally a "gender critical" TERF dogwhistle.

>>2564637
His hair is white as hell did he forget to dye it?

>>2564709
I don't understand the motivation Iran would have to keep syria destabilized

>>2564713
not wanting another american proxy state in the region?

https://people.com/donald-trump-snaps-quiet-piggy-at-female-reporter-who-asks-about-epstein-11851131

QUIET PIGGY

>>2564660
what is al-ziolani gonna do? declare a jihad?
>Gaynazi poster was right about Jolani
that's not what he said, tho. he said that al ziolani wasn't a zionist op. that he demands back the territorial control Syria had isn't opposing the zionist regime, it's what al ziolani is going to do right after he gets cockblocked by the zionists after his demands aren't attended.

>>2564709
truly we live in bizarre times

>>2564715
Unified american friendly state or destabilized state prepped like a thanksgiving turkey for greater israel, choose one

also don't they have supply lines to Hezbollah to worry about

>>2564709
>Turks and Israelis are now butting up against each other, and suffice to say that they don't like each other these days
Turkiye never stopped selling oil to Israel. never.

>The U.S. and CENTCOM does not support this. The U.S. wants a centralized government under Jolani and is starting to pull the plug on the YPG
that's more Turkiye, which exerts its influence in nato, being the second largest army, and the nation that brought in chaos inside Syria in the necessary way.

>>2564724
>Turkiye never stopped selling oil to Israel. never.
Have the kurds?

>>2564721
it's not really in Iran's interest to let the US/EU secure the route for Saudi's land pipeline to Europe through Syria.

>>2564675
>If that was gonna happen we'd be at war with iran
why? Iran has no interests inside Syria now. all of its proxies are gone.
>the war Israel started with the expectation america would join but didn't
are we forgetting that the US bombed Iran?

>>2564727
>are we forgetting that the US bombed Iran
Not convinced the bombing got rid of irans nuclear program, which was the whole point. Israel was definitely expecting an iraq-style invasion with regime change but the Americans didn't bite, because their interests have diverged

>>2564725
As far I am aware, from the scarce sources within American oil think tanks, the Kurds inside Syria sold most of their oil to Syria under the ba'ath rule, and some went through Iraq crossing the border. I am not sure if they sold oil to the zionists, taking into consideration that most likely Israel oil infrastructure wasn't designed for Syria's oil, but for Caspian oil. Syria's oil is too heavy for the Israel processing infrastructure.
usually you understand what oil a country can process depending on their globally available data purchases.

>>2564727
>are we forgetting that the US bombed Iran?
Trump deliberately fucked up that bombing and then noped the fuck out of the war as a way to strong-arm Israel into suing for peace. There's no fucking way the Israelis or Americans destroyed Iran's nuclear program.

>>2564706
>>2564710
Funny enough that was basically Oswald Mosley’s “solution” to the issue of over production of commodities and imperialism. Basically he just envisioned the world being segmented into different autarkic markets focused solely on trying to balance their own production and consumption.

dog bless

>>2564706
>America is a fucking powerhouse. America could completely survive as a closed eco-system based on the labor-force, resources, and technology it already has.
ironically, russia is the only country with a large domestic stockpile of every periodic element and most natural resources

>>2564726
So america wants to build the pipeline, and Israel, by destabilizing Syria, is working against it. Very interesting how these two groups of bourgeoise do not agree

>>2564711
Don't like TERFs but gender abolitionism seems to me more revolutionary than 99% of queer theory. Sorry not sorry.

>>2564738
America's geopolitical goal in the region is cheap Saudi oil for Europe so they can eliminate Russia's influence.
Israel's geopolitical goal is Greater Israel and the total ethnic cleansing of all Muslims.

They align most of the time but Israel funnily never cooperates when America tries to get them on board with its plans. Israel pretty much only helps the US when it comes to killing Muslims.

This would be more obvious if America's government weren't totally bought off by Zionist groups, but oftentimes Israel's ambitions are harmful to American interests.

>>2564706
>>2564735
>America/China/Russia can totally become self-sufficient and isolated!
Yeah just ignore those declining population numbers…

>>2564706
>>2564735
>>2564741
>self-sufficiency and isolation in fucking capitalism
The shit I have to read here man…

>>2564739
For TERFs "gender abolition" is just a way to give a progressive veneer to their transphobia. They still hold onto old reactionary views on gender and sex in their own way. Just look at how they collaborate with conservatives and traditionalists.

>>2564743
>gender abolition" is just a way to give a progressive veneer to their transphobia
"Gender abolition" is such an irrelevant purely academic issue. Like surely normal people can see the difference between trans people trying to be more comfortable with themselves and expecting women to i.e. be all day in the kitchen.

wtf is the mcdonald's summit

>>2564710
why are american leftists so imperialist?

>>2564734
100k monthly listeners.

>>2564748
The country must be deloused.

fizzle status?

>>2564743
I've met a decent amount of genuine Marxist women that leftypol would call "TERFs" even though they're active in Marxist circles, have fought for gender equality since before trans was even a political issue, and still care about trans peoples' human rights. It's just something some people will never agree on, and I don't really like discounting the lived experiences of cisgender women just because it invalidates some aspects of queer theory.

>>2564744
Exactly, I don't see why we can't have trans people and treat them as human while also acknowledging that trans people are doing all their "gender affirming" stuff out of choice instead of some innate biological instinct to wear pink.

Are we going to invade venezuela?

>>2564747
This you?

>>2564716
He crashing out fr

>>2564744
I think I got a solution, we pitch a multi-choice board of acceptable family formations. For example

>straights
<the vanilla choice, nothing wrong with a classic
>gay/les couples
<a bit spicier but a safe choice
>freelance
<figuring things out putting in the hours
>the solo
<comes with self-satisfaction

Something like that someone can finish the bit. Point is capitalism is great at breaking down bad social constructs and offering an avenue out. It also monetizes our worse impulses. Relationships and lifestyles, sexual orientations, fetishizes. All become commodities. And humans love building communities around their favorite commodities.

Saaar

>>2564744
>"Gender abolition" is such an irrelevant purely academic issue.
No, academics generate ideas and concepts that end up spilling over to larger society given enough of a push. To dismiss something simply because it's currently limited to some small academic corner is short sighted.
>>2564777
so progressive :)

Trump tells McDonald's owners to push back against minimum wage

>>2564775
That white boy got some kissable lips

>>2564781
>ideas drive reality d00d!!
nobody should give a fuck about academics, they arent scientists. the average academic creates a whole mythos around individuals, not interested in actually understanding the world and more interested in writing papers for the sake of some apparent career

>>2564625
God he talks like a parody of himself

>>2564709
Jolani is literally a CIA puppet and USA/Israel lapdog this makes no fucking sense lmfao

>>2564788
Gender is an idea though. It drives stupid people to think pink is womanly and blue is manly. At least starting a hundred or so years ago it did. That particular color coding wasn't a thing throughout the rest of human history.
Academics looking at those types of things and coming up with theories to explain it and what it might lead to such as "gender abolition" can eventually change things in larger society even if you want to ignore it.

>>2564630
>Oh. So of course Thiel's gay too. I'm getting real tried of these literal faggots ruining everything.
>>2564632
>can't use that word, too sexist! this is a tumblr friendly space

nice idpol, pretty sure the ruling class and their stooges ruin everything regardless of sexual orientation. Like if a straight man rapes a woman, as often happens, it would be reductive to attribute that to his sexual orientation the way you're doing with Peter Thiel, a billionaire South African boer. Musk is similarly a monster and he's straight.