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>>2564625Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2566113money, in the sense that Marx talked about it, already became irrelevant when Nixon took America off the gold standard. The fed just plays with the fiat supply and interest rates and trade deficit to produce the economic outcomes that the American bourgeoisie collectively desire.
uphold yankee socialist thought
>>2566113trust me bro, money will be irrelevant bro, just extend my credit line for another ten billions i can invest on compute to train my AI bro, please, just some more billions for nvidia and oracle and while we at it please give me a guaranteed bail out with tax payer money if my guaranteed GAI will not materialize from wasting energy and ressources on training my quadrillion parameter model.
Where’s Felix lately?
>>2566132Federal funds dried up :^)
>>2566132jerking off on a pic of Xi
>>2566133probably in a year or so. he might be getting beyond dementia and into alzheimers if he's doing tourrete's style outbursts with zero self awareness already, I wonder if they'll be pushing him in a wheelchair by 2027
>>2566113>Developing the productive forces until markets become irrelevant Wtf Musk was a Dengoid all along???
>>2566133That's more of a Fred Trump than a Donald Trump move. Donald Trump LOVES black men. He said so himself. You don't believe him?
>>2566140>he didn't do the chad face and say "Yes." when someone called his wife fatngmi
>>2566148total petty bourgeois proletarianization
>>2565845The kadets never stood for literal slavery like democrats though
>>2566151well now you are comparing the 1860s democrats with the 1910s kadets instead of the 1910s kadets with the 2020s democrats. I suppose that is an interesting point, since the democrats are one of the oldest bourgeois parties on the planet, even older than the "Grand Old Party" of the republicans… it's interesting, on the one hand, that we say, as Communists, we should not work in bourgeois parties (and I agree with that statement) but on the other hand, we see that bourgeois parties can somewhat change over time, since the Democrats went from the party of the Southern White Male Yeomanry and the Southern White Male Planter Aristocracy to the party of multicultural internationalist bourgeois liberalism. The longer a political entity is allowed to exist, the more it is capable of changing its nature. The CPSU after all went from Bolshevism to Revisionism in a span of 80 years.
>>2566143I've heard he's a fan of The Culture series (which is pretty much FALC in space) so these vague propositions for a post-money society are most likely born out of nerdish fanatism and soyfacing for the books rather than a sub-conscious knowledge of capital's tendency to destroy itself via its own contradictions.
>>2566140this is AI generated. Very convincing at first but a few things are obviously off: the lawyer's facepalming looks fucked up around his eyes. the bailiff also has a fucked up face. the writing on the podium that says "defense" is bleeding. The orientation of the podium makes no sense, and the date/time stamp at the bottom right of the "court cam" is nonsensical, which is hidden by the media player timeline but you can see it if you wait for it to go away.
>>2566154no trust me, you must read the scroll out loud over and over until you become hypnotized by its contents
>>2566156You might be right, I am spiritually too boomer to have noticed. Tiresome.
>>2566125no, and marx completely preempted your point. he very explicitly pointed out that the use value of gold and silver was, for most people, exchange, and as such they could be replaced by any other commodity that could be used for commerce. the fed sells such a commodity: paper money
>>2566159also even if it weren't AI I would suspect it of being dramatized (like judge judy or jerry springer, to use an analogy a boomer might be familiar with), because the amount of time he speaks without getting interrupted by the judge seems unrealistic. in real life if you cut off a judge while he's announcing your sentence you get told to be quiet right away, the judge bangs his gavel, and if you keep talking, you get held in contempt of court.
>>2566153The democrats are oldest party in world and 80 percent of their existence was fighting for slavery or the KKK
what is new in the free world?
>>2566161gold and silver money have value because they have socially necessary labor time associated with mining, smelting, refining, and minting into standardized coinage. fiat has no guaranteed redemption in the public sector and you can only redeem it in the private sector through exchanges that are not legally guaranteed so yes, fiat is exchangable, but it has no value, and its nominal value is always decreasing due to managed inflation. People cannot do a "run on the bank" to abandon an inflating fiat currency, they have to personally manage exchanges in the private sector if they want some durable commodity like gold to serve as a store of value in order to hedge against inflation. This is a significantly different state of affairs. I'm not a gold bug, I'm just pointing out that we live in an age where a global empire manages the exchange value of its currency through fucking with interest rates and no longer guarantees the redemption of paper money for a commodity that required large amounts of labor to produce.
>>2566150Arent they all getting lumpenized?
>>2566170nta, but it's honestly an underexamined historical event in leftist circles, or maybe Im just not familiar enough with it myself tbh. Any sources you would recommend on the switch off the gold standard?
>>2566170>gold and silver money have value because they have socially necessary labor time associatedno. the value doesn't just come from the fact that there is a snlt - that's a vulgar misinterpretation of the marxist ltv. a precondition for labor to become value is that the work performed is useful, that it has an use value. gold and silver are thus valuable not only because of the work involved, but also because they can be exchanged. even these days, the only reason most people hoard precious metals is to either speculate on price fluctuations or to store value
the use value of money is pretty obvious, so you are basically asking where is the work involved. well, take stable crypto-coins for example: these don't have a proof of work behind them, they are minted at will by a centralized body. they claim to have reserves in real money to back these tokens but that's verifiably false. and yet you can still buy and sell them. where is the snlt here? well, if I tried to do the same no one would take me seriously, the marketing and engagement are human labor, and the snlt is high because for each one that has succeeded there are thousands that failed
>>2566180paradoxically, the petty bourgeoisie are getting proletarianized, the proletarians are getting lumpenized, and the lumpens are getting imprisoned or killed, that's how downward mobility works.
>>2566168people here really thought this was going to be some sort of 5D chess maneuver from trump
>>2566185>take stable crypto-coins for example: these don't have a proof of work behind them, they are minted at will by a centralized body.they aren't minted at will, computers perform arbitrary math problems of increasing difficult to simulate "scarcity". i.e. more electrical energy, which is a real commodity with real value, is wasted in producing each new bitcoin. So they're just wasting real commodities to "produce" the bitcoins. The "value" is transfered from the real shit they are wasting. When you buy a bitcoin you are buying the elctricity wasted to produce it. Just like Marx talks about how machines don't produce value, they just transfer their own value through wear and tear onto the commodities they are creating.
>a precondition for labor to become value is that the work performed is useful, that it has an use value.I wasn't disputing this. I just neglected to mention it because it was not relevant to what I was saying. Yes, value includes both use value and exchange value. You seem to think I am saying "Marx is wrong now" when really I am just saying "the global monetary situation operates off of fucking with interest rates and fiat supply instead of metallic standards"
that's literally all I am really trying to say, sorry if I made it more complicated than it needed to be.
>>2566140Literally balkan-tier.
t. balkaner >>2566162he also speaks way too quickly between sentences, typical AI accelerated cadence
>>2566189>they aren't minted at will, computers perform arbitrary math problemsthat's the proof of work, but the examples I was citing do not do that (usdt and such). read the message you are replying to
<take stable crypto-coins for example<these don't have a proof of work behind themread the message you are replying to
in what world is bitcoin a stable coin you dumbass
>>2566195I did read your reply, I guess I don't know what a "stable" crypto coin is and I just thought you were talking about cyrpto currencies in general. My bad.
>>2566196>in what world is bitcoin a stable coin you dumbassplease don't reply for me, and I think he is talking about something other than bitcoin
>>2566143The Deng Elder Scrolls are the best thing that happened to leftypol in the last half year. The fact that it even has versioning is a testament to the fact that the fucking anon (giga comrade) who keeps making it is super serious and committed.
The person who keeps making and updating these has my unconditional respect.
>>2566189>You seem to think I am saying "Marx is wrong now" when really I am just sayingyou are saying that even if you are too dumb to understand why. except you aren't saying that marx is wrong, you are misinterpreting his position and then using that to arrive at an incorrect conclusion
>>2566203Ok I think we're talking past each other and I'm gonna disengage. Have a nice day man.
>>2566148Pretty cool that Amerikkka cucks itself so hard. I feel sorry for those migrants though
>>2566184>vidCompletely normal
>>2566143wtf people actually read this shit
>>2566167she is btw the student beater cop at CUNY's pro-Palestine students' movement.
>>2566211Thank you I will check it out
>>2566201Yeah it's great if you love the fact that people have easy access to thought terminating cliches cobbled together from out of context snippets meant to crudely justify naked capitalism and profiteering because Marx invested in stocks once. It's terrible for actual discussion
>>2566212It's an easy read anon
>>2566217i'm not wasting time reading a compilation of random posts by strangers on the internet
>>2566213And she p keep walked magione
>>2566205it doesn't say immigrants, tho.
>>2566150<total petty bourgeois proletarianization>one thread ago<TRUMP IS FOR THE NASCENT BOURGEOISIE AGAINST THE OLD BOURGEOISIE. >>2566185Nta, but the fact remains that there's more embedded snlt in gold than paper money:
>mining>smithing>logistics>storagevs le paper money:
>print, print, printAs for the "demand side" of things, it's mostly state-driven. Hoarding, and what not. This pretty much destroys the "socially useful value" side of things, imo. There's a shitton of embedded labour time in a bar of gold, but the reason we "use" it is because bourgeois states like masturbate to this shit.
Someone queue the Lenin quote about golden toilets, plz. >>2566218It's a just list of excerpts anon, including a few funny ones like Marx talking about stealing from the enemy by investing in stocks lol. Hardly "thought terminating clichés", if anything you labeling them as such is a way to not engage with the contents of what they say
>>2566225the haute bourgeoisie are consolidating power and the petty bourgeoisie are being proletarianized
>>2566223I like that this version even has trotsky in there for good measure
>>2566218>out of context snippets this accusation is leveled but never justified
>meant to crudely justify naked capitalismnot the intention at all, you just think that's the intention
Go through each quote and say what the real context is and what context it was taken out of. And I mean each quote. Not one or two.
>>2566232No of course, what was I thinking? Communism is just capitalism but more efficient. Thank you for showing me the light comrade
>>2566227>but what about paintings that are valuable even though they didn't take that much work huh?that's not how the snlt works, again, vulgar misconception. the fact that usdt exists proves that money carries human labor. the marketing, the stwardship of the printing machine, are labor. if you tried to print tokens and convince people they are valuable and can be exchanged for commodities, you would probably fail, and if you succeeded, the snlt would include all the failed attempts that came before you. like the guy that finds the diamond in the river: the snlt is high because of all the guys that didn't find diamonds
>>2566237Thank you Deng, I will now head to my socialist job and earn socialist wages for my socialist boss while paying off my socialist debt and socialist morgtage to keep the socialist tax collectors from throwing me in socialist jail
>>2566241>Socialism is when you don't have a job and you don't pay taxesjesus my guy
>>2566244>>2566245Thank you for confirming that there's no meaningful difference between capitalism and communism. Where do you go if you want to actually abolish capitalism, private property, the state, wage labor, and other such things? Since clearly communism isn't the place for it.
>>2566246It is if you're not a utopian idealist
>>2566246>there's no meaningful difference between capitalism and communismwrong, that is not what was stated. under SOCIALISM (not communism) which is the dictatorship of the proletariat, which transitions society from capitalism to communism, there is an equal obligation of ALL members of society to work, and there is centralization of money and credit in the hands of the state through a national bank with STATE CAPITAL (see image from post
>>2566244 ). under capitalism there is NOT an equal obligation of all member of society to work, as the bourgeoisie are exempt from labor, and there is not centralization of money and credit in the hands of the proletarian state, but in the hands of various private competing banks under a bourgeois state. That's the difference. You seem to think revolution means overnight transition from capitalism to communism, but as Engels says, the proletarian revolution brings about a gradual planned transition from capitalism to communism through various stages, which may progress slowly.
so nothin new on trump suckin dick?
>>2566232>Go through each quote and say what the real context is and what context it was taken out of. And I mean each quote. Not one or two.>>2566240>what is the true context of lenin saying this? what context was it taken out of?they don't know and cannot say
>>2566253see
>>2566239it got pushed through the senate unredacted apparently, and mike johnson is pissed because this will force trump to veto it
>>2566251Okay let me revise that, there's no meaningful difference between capitalism and communism except that communism repeatedly tells you that things are different because more work is being done and we're totally going to advance beyond capitalism any day now, except we also cant do that because that would be utopian idealism. You're just worshipping labor and productivity in the abstract for its own sake and have no interest in ever actually moving beyond them. That's fine if that's what you actually believe, just be honest about it rather than backpeddaling into this bullshit where you pinky promise that "capitalism but BASED" will end when something or other happens
>>2566256>let me revise my strawmanok just say you're anti communist and call it a day.
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