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>>2564625Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2566113money, in the sense that Marx talked about it, already became irrelevant when Nixon took America off the gold standard. The fed just plays with the fiat supply and interest rates and trade deficit to produce the economic outcomes that the American bourgeoisie collectively desire.
uphold yankee socialist thought
>>2566113trust me bro, money will be irrelevant bro, just extend my credit line for another ten billions i can invest on compute to train my AI bro, please, just some more billions for nvidia and oracle and while we at it please give me a guaranteed bail out with tax payer money if my guaranteed GAI will not materialize from wasting energy and ressources on training my quadrillion parameter model.
Where’s Felix lately?
>>2566132Federal funds dried up :^)
>>2566132jerking off on a pic of Xi
>>2566133probably in a year or so. he might be getting beyond dementia and into alzheimers if he's doing tourrete's style outbursts with zero self awareness already, I wonder if they'll be pushing him in a wheelchair by 2027
>>2566113>Developing the productive forces until markets become irrelevant Wtf Musk was a Dengoid all along???
>>2566133That's more of a Fred Trump than a Donald Trump move. Donald Trump LOVES black men. He said so himself. You don't believe him?
>>2566140>he didn't do the chad face and say "Yes." when someone called his wife fatngmi
>>2566148total petty bourgeois proletarianization
>>2565845The kadets never stood for literal slavery like democrats though
>>2566151well now you are comparing the 1860s democrats with the 1910s kadets instead of the 1910s kadets with the 2020s democrats. I suppose that is an interesting point, since the democrats are one of the oldest bourgeois parties on the planet, even older than the "Grand Old Party" of the republicans… it's interesting, on the one hand, that we say, as Communists, we should not work in bourgeois parties (and I agree with that statement) but on the other hand, we see that bourgeois parties can somewhat change over time, since the Democrats went from the party of the Southern White Male Yeomanry and the Southern White Male Planter Aristocracy to the party of multicultural internationalist bourgeois liberalism. The longer a political entity is allowed to exist, the more it is capable of changing its nature. The CPSU after all went from Bolshevism to Revisionism in a span of 80 years.
>>2566143I've heard he's a fan of The Culture series (which is pretty much FALC in space) so these vague propositions for a post-money society are most likely born out of nerdish fanatism and soyfacing for the books rather than a sub-conscious knowledge of capital's tendency to destroy itself via its own contradictions.
>>2566140this is AI generated. Very convincing at first but a few things are obviously off: the lawyer's facepalming looks fucked up around his eyes. the bailiff also has a fucked up face. the writing on the podium that says "defense" is bleeding. The orientation of the podium makes no sense, and the date/time stamp at the bottom right of the "court cam" is nonsensical, which is hidden by the media player timeline but you can see it if you wait for it to go away.
>>2566154no trust me, you must read the scroll out loud over and over until you become hypnotized by its contents
>>2566156You might be right, I am spiritually too boomer to have noticed. Tiresome.
>>2566125no, and marx completely preempted your point. he very explicitly pointed out that the use value of gold and silver was, for most people, exchange, and as such they could be replaced by any other commodity that could be used for commerce. the fed sells such a commodity: paper money
>>2566159also even if it weren't AI I would suspect it of being dramatized (like judge judy or jerry springer, to use an analogy a boomer might be familiar with), because the amount of time he speaks without getting interrupted by the judge seems unrealistic. in real life if you cut off a judge while he's announcing your sentence you get told to be quiet right away, the judge bangs his gavel, and if you keep talking, you get held in contempt of court.
>>2566153The democrats are oldest party in world and 80 percent of their existence was fighting for slavery or the KKK
what is new in the free world?
>>2566161gold and silver money have value because they have socially necessary labor time associated with mining, smelting, refining, and minting into standardized coinage. fiat has no guaranteed redemption in the public sector and you can only redeem it in the private sector through exchanges that are not legally guaranteed so yes, fiat is exchangable, but it has no value, and its nominal value is always decreasing due to managed inflation. People cannot do a "run on the bank" to abandon an inflating fiat currency, they have to personally manage exchanges in the private sector if they want some durable commodity like gold to serve as a store of value in order to hedge against inflation. This is a significantly different state of affairs. I'm not a gold bug, I'm just pointing out that we live in an age where a global empire manages the exchange value of its currency through fucking with interest rates and no longer guarantees the redemption of paper money for a commodity that required large amounts of labor to produce.
>>2566150Arent they all getting lumpenized?
>>2566170nta, but it's honestly an underexamined historical event in leftist circles, or maybe Im just not familiar enough with it myself tbh. Any sources you would recommend on the switch off the gold standard?
>>2566170>gold and silver money have value because they have socially necessary labor time associatedno. the value doesn't just come from the fact that there is a snlt - that's a vulgar misinterpretation of the marxist ltv. a precondition for labor to become value is that the work performed is useful, that it has an use value. gold and silver are thus valuable not only because of the work involved, but also because they can be exchanged. even these days, the only reason most people hoard precious metals is to either speculate on price fluctuations or to store value
the use value of money is pretty obvious, so you are basically asking where is the work involved. well, take stable crypto-coins for example: these don't have a proof of work behind them, they are minted at will by a centralized body. they claim to have reserves in real money to back these tokens but that's verifiably false. and yet you can still buy and sell them. where is the snlt here? well, if I tried to do the same no one would take me seriously, the marketing and engagement are human labor, and the snlt is high because for each one that has succeeded there are thousands that failed
>>2566180paradoxically, the petty bourgeoisie are getting proletarianized, the proletarians are getting lumpenized, and the lumpens are getting imprisoned or killed, that's how downward mobility works.
>>2566168people here really thought this was going to be some sort of 5D chess maneuver from trump
>>2566185>take stable crypto-coins for example: these don't have a proof of work behind them, they are minted at will by a centralized body.they aren't minted at will, computers perform arbitrary math problems of increasing difficult to simulate "scarcity". i.e. more electrical energy, which is a real commodity with real value, is wasted in producing each new bitcoin. So they're just wasting real commodities to "produce" the bitcoins. The "value" is transfered from the real shit they are wasting. When you buy a bitcoin you are buying the elctricity wasted to produce it. Just like Marx talks about how machines don't produce value, they just transfer their own value through wear and tear onto the commodities they are creating.
>a precondition for labor to become value is that the work performed is useful, that it has an use value.I wasn't disputing this. I just neglected to mention it because it was not relevant to what I was saying. Yes, value includes both use value and exchange value. You seem to think I am saying "Marx is wrong now" when really I am just saying "the global monetary situation operates off of fucking with interest rates and fiat supply instead of metallic standards"
that's literally all I am really trying to say, sorry if I made it more complicated than it needed to be.
>>2566140Literally balkan-tier.
t. balkaner >>2566162he also speaks way too quickly between sentences, typical AI accelerated cadence
>>2566189>they aren't minted at will, computers perform arbitrary math problemsthat's the proof of work, but the examples I was citing do not do that (usdt and such). read the message you are replying to
<take stable crypto-coins for example<these don't have a proof of work behind themread the message you are replying to
in what world is bitcoin a stable coin you dumbass
>>2566195I did read your reply, I guess I don't know what a "stable" crypto coin is and I just thought you were talking about cyrpto currencies in general. My bad.
>>2566196>in what world is bitcoin a stable coin you dumbassplease don't reply for me, and I think he is talking about something other than bitcoin
>>2566143The Deng Elder Scrolls are the best thing that happened to leftypol in the last half year. The fact that it even has versioning is a testament to the fact that the fucking anon (giga comrade) who keeps making it is super serious and committed.
The person who keeps making and updating these has my unconditional respect.
>>2566189>You seem to think I am saying "Marx is wrong now" when really I am just sayingyou are saying that even if you are too dumb to understand why. except you aren't saying that marx is wrong, you are misinterpreting his position and then using that to arrive at an incorrect conclusion
>>2566203Ok I think we're talking past each other and I'm gonna disengage. Have a nice day man.
>>2566148Pretty cool that Amerikkka cucks itself so hard. I feel sorry for those migrants though
>>2566184>vidCompletely normal
>>2566143wtf people actually read this shit
>>2566167she is btw the student beater cop at CUNY's pro-Palestine students' movement.
>>2566211Thank you I will check it out
>>2566212It's an easy read anon
>>2566217i'm not wasting time reading a compilation of random posts by strangers on the internet
>>2566213And she p keep walked magione
>>2566205it doesn't say immigrants, tho.
>>2566150<total petty bourgeois proletarianization>one thread ago<TRUMP IS FOR THE NASCENT BOURGEOISIE AGAINST THE OLD BOURGEOISIE. >>2566185Nta, but the fact remains that there's more embedded snlt in gold than paper money:
>mining>smithing>logistics>storagevs le paper money:
>print, print, printAs for the "demand side" of things, it's mostly state-driven. Hoarding, and what not. This pretty much destroys the "socially useful value" side of things, imo. There's a shitton of embedded labour time in a bar of gold, but the reason we "use" it is because bourgeois states like masturbate to this shit.
Someone queue the Lenin quote about golden toilets, plz. >>2566218
It's a just list of excerpts anon, including a few funny ones like Marx talking about stealing from the enemy by investing in stocks lol. Hardly "thought terminating clichés", if anything you labeling them as such is a way to not engage with the contents of what they say
>>2566225the haute bourgeoisie are consolidating power and the petty bourgeoisie are being proletarianized
>>2566223I like that this version even has trotsky in there for good measure
>>2566218
>out of context snippets
this accusation is leveled but never justified
>meant to crudely justify naked capitalism
not the intention at all, you just think that's the intention
Go through each quote and say what the real context is and what context it was taken out of. And I mean each quote. Not one or two.
>>2566232No of course, what was I thinking? Communism is just capitalism but more efficient. Thank you for showing me the light comrade
>>2566227>but what about paintings that are valuable even though they didn't take that much work huh?that's not how the snlt works, again, vulgar misconception. the fact that usdt exists proves that money carries human labor. the marketing, the stwardship of the printing machine, are labor. if you tried to print tokens and convince people they are valuable and can be exchanged for commodities, you would probably fail, and if you succeeded, the snlt would include all the failed attempts that came before you. like the guy that finds the diamond in the river: the snlt is high because of all the guys that didn't find diamonds
>>2566237Thank you Deng, I will now head to my socialist job and earn socialist wages for my socialist boss while paying off my socialist debt and socialist morgtage to keep the socialist tax collectors from throwing me in socialist jail
>>2566241>Socialism is when you don't have a job and you don't pay taxesjesus my guy
>>2566244>>2566245Thank you for confirming that there's no meaningful difference between capitalism and communism. Where do you go if you want to actually abolish capitalism, private property, the state, wage labor, and other such things? Since clearly communism isn't the place for it.
>>2566246It is if you're not a utopian idealist
>>2566246>there's no meaningful difference between capitalism and communismwrong, that is not what was stated. under SOCIALISM (not communism) which is the dictatorship of the proletariat, which transitions society from capitalism to communism, there is an equal obligation of ALL members of society to work, and there is centralization of money and credit in the hands of the state through a national bank with STATE CAPITAL (see image from post
>>2566244 ). under capitalism there is NOT an equal obligation of all member of society to work, as the bourgeoisie are exempt from labor, and there is not centralization of money and credit in the hands of the proletarian state, but in the hands of various private competing banks under a bourgeois state. That's the difference. You seem to think revolution means overnight transition from capitalism to communism, but as Engels says, the proletarian revolution brings about a gradual planned transition from capitalism to communism through various stages, which may progress slowly.
so nothin new on trump suckin dick?
>>2566232>Go through each quote and say what the real context is and what context it was taken out of. And I mean each quote. Not one or two.>>2566240>what is the true context of lenin saying this? what context was it taken out of?they don't know and cannot say
>>2566253see
>>2566239it got pushed through the senate unredacted apparently, and mike johnson is pissed because this will force trump to veto it
>>2566251Okay let me revise that, there's no meaningful difference between capitalism and communism except that communism repeatedly tells you that things are different because more work is being done and we're totally going to advance beyond capitalism any day now, except we also cant do that because that would be utopian idealism. You're just worshipping labor and productivity in the abstract for its own sake and have no interest in ever actually moving beyond them. That's fine if that's what you actually believe, just be honest about it rather than backpeddaling into this bullshit where you pinky promise that "capitalism but BASED" will end when something or other happens
>>2566256>let me revise my strawmanok just say you're anti communist and call it a day.
>>2566259depends on whether your "anti-capitalism" is vulgar or not. Marx, Engels, and Lenin are clear, the proletarian revolution smashes the bourgeois state, institutes proletarian leadership over a new state, and under that new state, a socialist state, everyone is obligated to work, and there is in fact state capital. This proletarian state then manages and controls the gradual abolition of private property. If you disagree with them, just say so. Citations were already provided above.
you're getting conscripted and shipped off to venezuela or mexico dawg
>>2566264>you're getting conscripted and shipped off to venezuela or mexico dawgburgers abolished conscription to avoid mutiny in the ranks. if they bring back the draft you will have a bunch of anti-war people in the army receiving training, and possibly, later on, fragging of officers, etc, and all the other shit in vietnam that spooked them into abolishing draft. they want volunteer imperialists, not bitter draftees. they are trying to postpone revolution, not accelerate it.
>>2566272
take it up with Marx, Engels, and Lenin, who said there will be state capital and obligation to work in the transition from capitalism to communism, as already cited above. If you want to go back to Owenism, Saint-Simonism, Fourierism, and Lassaleanism, that's fine with me, but Marx, Engels, and Lenin formulated answers to the utopians, and no amount of crowing about how parades are heckin authoritarian will make me believe you are capable of getting a decentralized movement to push the communism button overnight.
>>2566275Cant be too hard to "push the communism button" when communism is just capitalism but efficient
>>2566260
War is not a dinner party it is not making embroidery it is not even a parade
Socialism is when you show off your new tanks every year made by the people's socialism factories by socialist wage laborers and the more tanks there are the more socialismistier it is
>>2566276ok then just say you are anti-communist, that's fine.
>>2566260
love that song
>>2566276> communism is just capitalism but efficienttake it up with Lenin:
<Socialism is inconceivable without large-scale capitalist engineering based on the latest discoveries of modern science. It is inconceivable without planned state organization, which keeps tens of millions of people to the strictest observance of a unified standard in production and distribution. We Marxists have always spoken of this, and it is not worth while wasting two seconds talking to people who do not understand even this (anarchists and a good half of the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries).
<At the same time socialism is inconceivable unless the proletariat is the ruler of the state. This also is ABC. And history (which nobody, except Menshevik blockheads of the first order, ever expected to bring about “complete” socialism smoothly, gently, easily and simply) has taken such a peculiar course that it has given birth in 1918 to two unconnected halves of socialism existing side by side like two future chickens in the single shell of international imperialism.
<Lenin, “Left-Wing” Childishness, 1918 under communism we'll just fucking shoot annoying people
Lowkey kind of wondering if the Epstein file release, assuming Trump can’t hide his involvement, is partially a move within the GOP to try to oust Trump.
Like behind the slavering loyalty I think a lot of GOP politicos personally hate the guy and their donors likely see him as bad for business at this point.
Socialism means the abolition of classes. The dictatorship of the proletariat has done all it could to abolish classes. But classes cannot be abolished at one stroke.
And classes still remain and will remain in the era of the dictatorship of the proletariat. The dictatorship will become unnecessary when classes disappear. Without the dictatorship of the proletariat they will not disappear.
Classes have remained, but in the era of the dictatorship of the proletariat every class has undergone a change, and the relations between the classes have also changed. The class struggle does not disappear under the dictatorship of the proletariat; it merely assumes different forms.
Under capitalism the proletariat was an oppressed class, a class which had been deprived of the means of production, the only class which stood directly and completely opposed to the bourgeoisie, and therefore the only one capable of being revolutionary to the very end. Having overthrown the bourgeoisie and conquered political power, the proletariat has become the ruling class; it wields state power, it exercises control over means of production already socialized; it guides the wavering and intermediary elements and classes; it crushes the increasingly stubborn resistance of the exploiters. All these are specific tasks of the class struggle, tasks which the proletariat formerly did not and could not have set itself.
The class of exploiters, the landowners and capitalists, has not disappeared and cannot disappear all at once under the dictatorship of the proletariat. The exploiters have been smashed, but not destroyed. They still have an inter national base in the form of international capital, of which they are a branch. They still retain certain means of production in part, they still have money, they still have vast social connections. Because they have been defeated, the energy of their resistance has increased a hundred and a thousandfold. The “art” of state, military and economic administration gives them a superiority, and a very great superiority, so that their importance is incomparably greater than their numerical proportion of the population. The class struggle waged by the overthrown exploiters against the victorious vanguard of the exploited, i.e., the proletariat, has become incomparably more bitter. And it cannot be otherwise in the case of a revolution, unless this concept is replaced (as it is by all the heroes of the Second International) by reformist illusions.
Lenin, Economics And Politics In The Era Of The Dictatorship Of The Proletariat, 30 October, 1919
tate capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic. If in approximately six months’ time state capitalism became established in our Republic, this would be a great success and a sure guarantee that within a year socialism will have gained a permanently firm hold and will have become invincible in this country.
I can imagine with what noble indignation some people will recoil from these words. What! The transition to state capitalism in the Soviet Socialist Republic would be a step forward? Isn’t this the betrayal of socialism?
We must deal with this point in greater detail.
Firstly, we must examine the nature of the transition from capitalism to socialism that gives us the right and the grounds to call our country a Socialist Republic of Soviets.
Secondly, we must expose the error of those who fail to see the petty-bourgeois economic conditions and the petty-bourgeois element as the principal enemy of socialism in our country.
Thirdly, we must fully understand the economic implications of the distinction between the Soviet state and the bourgeois state.
Let us examine these three points.
No one, I think, in studying the question of the economic system of Russia, has denied its transitional character. Nor, I think, has any Communist denied that the term Soviet Socialist Republic implies the determination of the Soviet power to achieve the transition to socialism, and not that the existing economic system is recognized as a socialist order.
But what does the word “transition” mean? Does it not mean, as applied to an economy, that the present system contains elements, particles, fragments of both capitalism and socialism? Everyone will admit that it does. But not all who admit this take the trouble to consider what elements actually constitute the various socio-economic structures that exist in Russia at the present time. And this is the crux of the question.
The question arises: What elements predominate? Clearly, in a small-peasant country, the petty-bourgeois element predominates and it must predominate, for the great majority—those working the land—are small commodity producers. The shell of state capitalism (grain monopoly, state-controlled entrepreneurs and traders, bourgeois co-operators) is pierced now in one place, now in another by profiteers, the chief object of profiteering being grain.
It is in this field that the main struggle is being waged. Between what elements is this struggle being waged if we are to speak in terms of economic categories such as “state capitalism”? […] It is not state capitalism that is at war with socialism, but the petty bourgeoisie plus private capitalism fighting together against state capitalism and socialism. The petty bourgeoisie oppose every kind of state interference, accounting and control, whether it be state-capitalist or state-socialist. This is an unquestionable fact of reality whose misunderstanding lies at the root of many economic mistakes. The profiteer, the commercial racketeer, the disrupter of monopoly—these are our principal “internal” enemies, the enemies of the economic measures of the Soviet power.
[…]
The petty bourgeois who hoards his thousands is an enemy of state capitalism. He wants to employ these thousands just for himself, against the poor, in opposition to any kind of state control. And the sum total of these thousands, amounting to many thousands of millions, forms the base for profiteering, which undermines our socialist construction. Let us assume that a certain number of workers produce in a few days values equal to 1,000. Let us then assume that 200 of this total vanishes owing to petty profiteering, various kinds of embezzlement and the evasion by the small proprietors of Soviet decrees and regulations. Every politically conscious worker will say that if better order and organization could be obtained at the price of 300 out of the 1,000 he would willingly give 300 instead of 200, for it will be quite easy under the Soviet power to reduce this “tribute” later on to, say, 100 or 50, once order and organization are established and the petty-bourgeois disruption of state monopoly is completely overcome.
Lenin, The Tax in Kind, May 1921
>>2566291yeah i think hes passed his use by date it could be a controlled demolition, considering his health is rumoured to be failing. trump has achieved some of the things the ruling class want. Some of the rhetoric recently like denying inflation exists lol is just so retarted i think they want to lose. The Epstein files will be a limited hangout with redactions, we see that trump is evil, his advisors come to him offering him a deal, like the mob godfather who started to go senile and its time to step down now. then we get a more competent administrator JD Vance. if trump is going to be dead in 6 months it doesnt really matter, as long as his kids are well provided for, which they will be.
>>2566295>tate capitalismState Capitalism*
>>2566278"War is not a dinner party, it is $400 dinner date" - Chairman Houdini
>>2566299new copia for imperial collapsia
>>2566167What the heck? My favorite succdem is a liberal??? HOW DID THIS HAPPEN OMG
rebranding communism as "worker-owned cooperative monopolies" to confuse the libs
>>2566276Notice how he keeps ignoring when he's asked to clarify whether he agrees with Marx, Engels, and Lenin. Because he knows that when he admits he doesn't no one will pay attention to him anymore, and that's all he really wants.
>>2566313Yes we know thanks
>>2566310they won't, the same people are shilling platner, whose stepbrother …. well see this post
>>2565826 >>2566316TRVTH
The chauvinistic "Communists" who shill for Platner and his Democratic opposition succdem peers will abandon Communism when a disciplined Communist movement develops (which I believe will be soon, my money is on the All-Empire Workers League). Mark my words.
>>2566317>do somethingnooooo we cant do nuffin just voooootee and cry about chyna and the hecking third worldists nooooo
>>2566319>(which I believe will be soon, my money is on the All-Empire Workers League).never heard of them so i looked em up
https://xcancel.com/AEWorkersLeague >>2566323China makes me want to learn Chinese. But I think revolution will be easier than that.
>>2566317my time would be better spent purity testing politicians in elections i have no stake in online sry
>>2566323WTF IS THIS!!!??? THIS IS LITERALLY ITALIAN FASCISM!!!!! WHY IS /PRC/ ALLOWED IN THIS WEBSITE SAVE ME ZELENSKYYYY!!11!
We dont even talk about American politics anymore. We just glaze China. I love this website. No revolution. No planning. Just gushing about how great China is in this weird parasocial fashion while pretending there's some kind of massive anti-China presence here to justify gushing over China even more
>>2566335
which country's people are in the best position to stop the flow of weapons from america to israel
>>2566334american politics is just 3 pedophiles in a trenchcoat declaring everyone else to be a national security threat
>>2566336
>China and Chinese Communism is really a non-factor.
Does not being the center of the world really mindbreak treatlerites this hard?
That's why trump accepted to release them lol
>>2566344only if sufficiently redacted
>>2566345
well nobody would want to flee their country and move to america in the first place if america stopped sanctioning, bombing, couping, etc. in order to bring people the "free" market.
>>2566345
First of all fuck Fuentes stop posting his bullshit here. Second the dems and Republicans are all one party in this country all serving their billionare donners.
>>2566350
>But I also feel like China is a black box and completely unrelevant to our own situation.
This shows you dont understand anything, your current domestic situation has everything to do with how China re-shaped the global market.
>>2566291it seems MTG and other GOP actors like Massie are acting like such, they're making moves thinking of a GOP past Trump, my guess is that he's just too unpopular now, you need at least half of everyone to nominally agree with your project before you do fascism proper, and he's cratering below 30% on some issues.
>>2566350
When there's a revolution here, every power on the planet will interfere with it, that's just politics. Its important to discern our enemies from our friends
>>2566366>When there's a revolution here, every power on the planet will interfere with itNATO will interfere on the side of capital
>>2566368And China will interfere on whatever side guarantees their best interests, which will hopefully the communists. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that Hawaii and Guam gets occupied by the PRC within the next 15 years
>>2566370Depends if that whole adage about China being in a "holding position" to advance communism is actually true or they're just interested in their own hegemony. If they're actually committed to communism in the long term then yes they'll help the communists in the event of a revolution, but otherwise they'll either just sit on their asses or support some reactionary isolationist faction. Regardless the success of our revolution shouldn't hinge on Chinese support
>>2566371
>Think about how much oil reserves yet untapped are in the two continents of the Americas. But instead we've wasted half a century on this Middle East bullshit that has nothing to do with us.
That's because burger reich military cooked up the plan to waste everyone else's oil reserves before touching their own, that way if there's a global shortage later on, America will have the monopoly. But now oil is becoming less relevant because of nuclear and renewables, so Americans are trying to prevent nuclear and renewables from ruining their long term strategy
>>2566374>Depends if that whole adage about China being in a "holding position" to advance communism is actually true or they're just interested in their own hegemony.see
>>2563414 >>2566376Hopefully you're right, but again we still shouldn't be hinging our revolution on foreign support
>>2566220WE ARE HAMBURGER
>>2566220americans trying to do fascism: "THINK OF A BURGER, PATRIOT."
>>2566232I pointed it out before but only got a shrug, but a lot of those Marx/Engels quotes are in the context of a global revolution, or a revolution in the most advanced capitalist countries. They rejected socialism in one country because, as they argued in the German Ideology, socialism is a world historic movement which takes place from universal conditions, and if it's isolated to one region it dies out. That's what they argued, anyway. Maybe Dengists think they were wrong.
>>2566256Yeah if you're against being a cog in the machine then socialism is not for you. Maybe try anprim. See picrel.
>>2566374It doesn't matter the reason, communism or not. Any superpower, be it China or Russia, will actively support the side that represents their best interests whatever they may be. There's no such thing as 'sitting on your hands' when it comes to geopolitics, the Bolsheviks had to deal with British and American forces invading and occupying parts of Russia after their victory. This country has nukes, when things get unstable, every other nuclear powers security is compromised
>>2566377>we still shouldn't be hinging our revolution on foreign supportdefinitely not lol
>>2566394
class based historical analysis is so last century. we're all about the genetic-geographic link determination of history now. that's tha real left.
>>2566396It's either this or running to billionaires.
It's not great optics but it's necessary.
It's dumb that NYC doesn't publicly fund transition teams though.
>>2566401MTG is definitely running for president in 2028 right
that's the only explanation for why she went from Trump's fiercest ally to his biggest critic
what the fuck is up coachella
>>2566404
quit your job and become professional revolutionary. not for us. not for you. not for america. for the global proletariat. i believe in you chairman.
>>2566406they should make a movie about this
bessie the undocumented cow, on the run from ICE, desperate to make her way to an illinois slaughterhouse so she can feed a starving white family
>>2566409we have white passing natives who own casinos in america, it's definitely a thing
>>2566317german reunification was a mistake
>>2566413it was even in a sopranos episode where the guy running the casino had a 'awakening' about his native ancestors a few years ago,
>>2566416that's actually insane wtf
insane levels of greed
we need a burger dictatorship of the proletariat that seizes mcdonalds
>>2566404
No you don't lol
>>2566420McDonald''s cheapest menu here in italy it's about 5€. Not bad considering that two pizza squares go for 4€, plus at least another 2€ for a small water bottle.
I love this place
>"We need to get organized!"
<"OK why don't you do individualist terrorism"
Terrorism is largely worthless. The life of a revolutionary is worth more than ten thousand of these ghouls combined
>>2566443
3edgy5me
>>2566416McDonalds is bottom of the barrel even by fast food standards and I can't see them sustaining this.
cringe larp
won't stat
Is this tuff for portland? 😂😂🤣
won't you take me to
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the PLA, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Taiwan, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire Chinese armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the People’s Liberation Army and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
>>2566466I was told in the south that most people down here all have indian heritage to a certain degree, mostly like 1/32 tho
>>2566467
>I'm tired of all the faggot trans pageantry
bruh this post is literally the first time anyone has mentioned trans people in this entire thread
>>2566465
I've seen you crash out like this before. you do this once every 2 months. at this point you've "promised" to murder about 20 different anons that you are probably are convinced are the same anon. shit is wild. take a chill pill.
evan boutta end up like laseranon at this rate
>>2566475
>I will schedule the most opportune time to put slugs in your brain when you take out your garbage for collection.
bruh i don't leave my basement. my mommy does that for me. pls don't kill my mommy when she takes out my tendie trash :(
>>2566477the guy threatening to kill people is not iron felix. iron felix just talks about joe slovo and the armed body of the proletariat. the anon threatening to kill people is a completely different anon with a different post style
>>2566479
> I'll end you. For serious. Stop fucking around.
nobody knows what you're talking about. you sound mentally ill. possibly schizophrenic. i do not even say that as a joke. seek help.
>>2566472Probably yeah. Come to think of it, I believe my mom's side of the family (very southern) has some of that but it's all rather obscure.
>>2566489
Evan, have a Snickers. You get all kill happy when you're hungry
>>2566494leave chairman reif alone. he NEVER says slurs. that's NOT him
Look you can say what you want, you can think you’re better than me, but if you mofuckin make fun of me on social media, it’s over for you. I’m not afraid of you cyber bullies. I’ll fuck you up. You talk big on the internet because you’re too scared to face me in the arena.
Cmon you cowards, I’m not afraid of you anymore!
>>2566489
Sir you need to see a licensed medical professional.
>>2566500
You should still have a Snickers
>>2566500
>I live inside all your heads now
It's not every day you see a grown man make a cum tribute to comrade Putin
Gex
>>2566567explain the text like I'm 5 and also I don't know what any of the variables are
>>2566569can't see the chart so I'm just guessing, but service industry bad. import economy bad. shrinking manufacturing sector = less reasons to innovate. in short, porky sabotaging themselves
>>2566570Porky was never in control. They are slaves to capital.
>>2566193you asked at the end of the last thread but I'm posting it here in case you don't see it there
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/11/17/the-gambler/ what's the verdict on elected judges? are there downsides?
>>2566585He took the wig off at some point. I guess Ukrainians werent so tolerant about his faggotry.
im struggling to understand what makes mamdani appealing. every time i see him speak he comes off as a less articulate version of 2008 obama with even more vacuous rhetoric
>>2566605
yeah im in a union :)
>>2566610
>implying union leaders arent bought out shills
lol you clearly never interact with proletarians
truth nuke: "third worldist" is the new "tankie"
>>2566619wrong. i am second worldist. first world must be brought low and third world must be uplifted. everyone will become second world like china. it will be great. third worldism and first worldism are both erroneous.
>>2566617
yeah those aren't azovites. you're retarded. actual azovites kill gays and minorities because they are nazis.
>>2566621>wrong. i am second worldist. first world must be brought low and third world must be uplifted. everyone will become second world like china. it will be great. third worldism and first worldism are both erroneous.This. Multipolarism is just the dream of the world being united in 2nd world unipolarity.
>>2566604>every time i see him speak he comes off as a less articulate version of 2008 obama with even more vacuous rhetoricwhich is why obama loves him so much and phoned him up after his victory. the "red scare" around him feels fake and forced too when his policies are pretty much liberal. it's trying to say "look, see, capitalism is defeated. mamdani won. deradicalize now!"
>>2566623no. no more unipolar hegemony. that results in crisis of hegemony.
>>2566621I get that point but they will call you a third worldist too
>>2566623multipolarity is the moment before they build more military bases around the world (if they do), if it was a dream it would be a project and multipolarity is not a project
>>2566631>I get that point but they will call you a third worldist tooi do not care what they call me
>>2566633What if an ICE agent was calling you a third worldist, would you care in that case?
>>2566634ICE agents don't know what that means.
>>2566636Stephen Miller maybe does
So many magatards are getting mad this. Literally 0 autism score apes
https://xcancel.com/krassenstein/status/1991242950144065672#mLook at the replies.
>>2566440>Literal apartheid mine owner and slaver is a role model in Ch¥naXisters??? Our response???
>>2566653In an interview with Elon Musk's mother, Maye Musk, she said in an interview that she goes to China nearly every month. And last year she went to 12 different cities in China.
https://wwd.com/fashion-news/fashion-scoops/elon-musk-mother-maye-china-skinny-models-nyfw-1236180684/Rumor has it that that Elon Musk has Han paternal genetic lineage (Y-haplogroup) so Maye Musk might be visiting her lover? That's what Chinese netizens are speculating.
Meanwhile, CPC loves the Musks because they are selling them the rope…
>>2566619and that's a good thing, fuck tanKKKies
>>2566670those are both definitions that you made up in your head!
>>2566670I'm not talking about their definitions, I'm talking about how they are being used by the western soyleft that historically has always cucked, during the cold war they needed a left that was le bad, that was the tankies, now that the USSR is gone its the third worldists.
>>2566683yeah as opposed to the eastern left which is notoriously uncucked
>>2566683idk what anything means anymore. i came in here the other day and said the american working class needs to stop cucking to imperialism and get off its ass and have revolution and stop expecting the chinese to end american imperialism for them and I was told by what i can only assume was a troll that americans are demons and will never do anything and i am an american chauvinist for expecting them to do anything. and then all the other retards ITT called him third worldist and he called me a first worldist. nobody uses terms on here right so call them something means nothing to them.
Now more than every we need the Joe Rogan of The Left. And it could be (You)!
>>2566684Revolution in the imperial core status?
Trump signs bill directing DOJ to release Epstein case files
>>2566709>President Donald Trump signed a bill Wednesday to compel the Justice Department to make public its case files on the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, a potentially far-reaching development in a yearslong push by survivors of Epstein’s abuse for a public reckoning.
>The president’s signing sets a 30-day countdown for the Justice Department to produce what’s commonly known as the Epstein files. That include everything the Justice Department has collected over multiple federal investigations into Epstein, as well as his longtime confidante and girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year prison sentence for luring teenage girls for the disgraced financier. Those records total around 100,000 pages, according to a federal judge who has reviewed the case.
>It will also compel the Justice Department to produce all its internal communications on Epstein and his associates and his 2019 death in a Manhattan jail cell as he awaited charges for sexually abusing and trafficking dozens of teenage girls.
>The legislation, however, exempts some parts of the case files. The bill’s authors made sure to include that the Justice Department could withhold personally identifiable information of victims, child sexual abuse materials and information deemed by the administration to be classified for national defense or foreign policy.AP Wire
>>2566709>>2566710They are either gonna stonewall it in the name of "national security" or redact/remove anything implicating Trump.
I'm sure there are copies of the original files somewhere so this could easily backfire though.
>>2566692revolution in brazil and argentina status?
>>2566716She wants your Big Blaqx Penis.
>>2566718BCC (big creole cock)
>>2566729when was the last communist revolution in a third world nation that still exists today? if you ask me it's laos or vietnam, which as you know would be about 50 years ago
>>2566731(DO NOT ask the same about the first world)
speaking about
>>2565634the guy sucker punched in the face.
I am expanding the details about this fucker, where he actually got his face
>Following a "March Against Islamization" in Dearborn, Michigan, pardoned Jake Lang spoke to the city council telling Muslim members "You guys are outbreeding, insidious parasites."
>"You will never look like us," he said. "Get the fuck out. America First.">Fighting broke out and mace was deployed on the streets of Dearborn Tuesday afternoon as Jake Lang walked around slapping a pack of bacon into a Quran, which counter-protesters took out of his hands.
>"Michigan needs to be cleared out of Muslims!" Lang told the media.
>Lang attempted to set fire to a Quran, but protesters pulled it away from him before he could light it up. One pointed mace into his face and appeared to trigger it, but it apparently jammed.one person was very upset about the J6er Lang, shouting the following:
>"Fuck you Trump for doing this. I voted for you, you cocksucker!" a Dearborn local said while protesting the March Against Islamization. "I made the whole community vote for Trump!"
>"And now look what you guys do!" (last video, in the thrid round)1/3
>>2566731Wrong. Nicaragua
>>2566741>>25667393/3
in the end, he left late in the night, where his bus was graffitied with the word 'cuck'.
>>2566731I dont really understand western leftism as just a geographical thing, at this point it spread to the third world too, even China is influenced by it. It spread after the US killed most communists in the third world during the cold war.
>>2566739>>2566743>>2566741oof, the it was the chud who took one of the 'Anthony Hudson' buses and graffitied the word cuck himself because the maga-republican candidate condemned chudke lang's behavior.
fully unhinged. some people around was saying:
>I HOPE LANG GETS KIRK'ED.good riddance Must every thread devolve into morons arguing who is the one true communist while offering nothing constructive at all?
>>2566739>"white" (Mediterranean) "Christian" (pagan) "Western" (Southern European) civilization build "the art" (all of it?) and "the collosseum" (why that specifically?)I hate this pseudohistoric nonsense so much lol
>>2566739>you come here, and marry four or five women??????
>and you make OUR country look like the places YOU fled from???????????? who was helping israel bomb those places?????????
i hate this faggot so much. i hope he is skinned alive
>>2566739>america first, america onlyfuentoids…. this is your ideology
>>2566753
>Beginning from Thomas Moore’s book Utopia in 1516, world socialism has had a history of a little more than 500 years. The fact that
the vast majority of European critical utopian socialists regard private
ownership, commodity, money, and market as the root of evil is of
great reflexive value. Marx, Engels, and Lenin all believed that during transition from the old society to a communist society (including socialism as the first or lower stage), private ownership, commodity
and monetary relations could continue to exist in very small amounts.
this source is lit, thanks
>>2566739>christ IS KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING>AMERICA FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRST>muh hwitenessumm you can't serve three masters, flaggot, pick one, either your dead guy on a stick, or your dying imperialist nation, or your lack of melanin
>>2566359You are wrong on all levels. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated. Stop spreading lies about Communism. This phony stagist line is not the official theory of the Communist Party. The creator of this phony three stagism admits it "follows a very different line" from the Communist Party, but also that it "differs in important respects" from Communist China's on-the-ground economic reality. Theory that fails to correspond to the material and economic base it seeks to describe is idealism. This phony three stage theory is a prescriptive checklist divorced from reality. This immediately nullifies all validity and disqualifies it as a representation of the CPC's theoretical framework.
<THIS PAPER FOLLOWS a very different line from China’s official classification of the primary stage of socialism in terms of productivity and standard of living, which in turn differs in important respects from current economic developments in China. https://dn720006.ca.archive.org/0/items/on-the-three-stages-in-the-development-of-socialism/On%20the%20Three%20Stages%20in%20the%20Development%20of%20Socialism.pdf its funny because those weirdos actually do want shakira law they just don't want to call it shakira law
why didn't osama park a 747 at langley… it's so sad in hindsight
>>2566748>I don't know what moving the goalpost is>the post.alright, let's go through the topic in detail:
As I've exposed multiple times, the
ideological fuel of "Rojava", the texts from ocalan, has stranded away so much from communism, Marxism, and socialism, as a proposed solution for Rojava, that he has been proposing
federalism in his latest positions, which is reflected in the Rojava constitution:
https://rojavainformationcenter.org/2023/12/aanes-social-contract-2023-edition/Social Contractno mention of socialism, communism, just confederalism. which, put in context, came to that point because of who these people wanted to appease. also, ocalan's inspiration was no other than the anti-communist murray
i don't care about the poor little children who were fed under the USSR/ Cuba. bookchin.
and to wrapping things up, the people around that DAANES project are negotiating with fucking al ziolani, capitulating already (or rather, falling into a trap), which is amazing tbh: they didn't include at all a request of doing socialism in that region under some autonomous management of some sort, barely the inclusion of that 'Social Contract' that must "survive in some form", but rather simply incorporating the DAANES army into the regular Syrian army and a 'promise of no injustice' (there's the trap, lmao).
no communism, no socialism, but a complete capitulation.
tl;dr:
Excuse me professor, Rojava is a communist revolution. I've been doing color communist revolutions for decades, and I know a thing or two about communist revolutions. >>2566776>Zohran "Kwame" Mamdanilmao why the quotation marks? that's his name Donald "J." Trump!
>>2566731>revolution in a third world nation that still exists todayNicaragua with the Sandinistas, reaching power with Daniel Ortega.
>>2566140>unironically sharing AI slopboard's dead
Periodic reminder that if you're not combining legal and illegal tactics and explicitly organizing towards the armed overthrow of the US government you are objectively not a Communist and not serious about seeing change in our lifetimes.
>>2566795please send someone in your cadre to do special party work in Tennessee:
>>2562426 >>2566803I’m expecting another “say thank you” moment
>>2566809The difference is that Mamdani doesn't have to stay quiet like a cuck.
>>2566792>lifelong DemocratI like how he's describing himself here.
He only switched to GOP once he planned to run for president (he tried and failed in 2012).
>>2566816He most likely will THO
>>2566803why is kwame in between quotes? that's his real name
>>2566743lol at drumpf voting cuck
>>2566376Ok but have you considered that if China doesn't become the next hegemon then fucking Saudi Arabia or even Israel will most likely take AmeriKKKa's place?
I'd rather live in Planet Deng than under a petro-monarchy with Zionist tech startup characteristics.
https://justinpodur.substack.com/p/the-imperial-capital-has-moved >>2566802
That's because America is exceptional.
>>2566792Rump's credibility is toast this time
>>2566802
TWists from EU and Australia pump up "revolutionary" autists who live in America to think that only LARP can save us. All for pity points to the global south countries who could care less because they're doing nationalism as they should anyways
>>2566837Wrong. You are imperialist. You say only vooting can save us
>>2566186unemployed proletarians are not lumpen unless they turn to crime. they are simply the reserve army of labor but remain proletarian
honkoid status?
>>2566849Absolutely Yakubian.
>>2566844is this true
pls say no omg >>2566853
Hoxha was right about religion and I'm tired of pretending otherwise. Communists should wage an active struggle against religion by any means necessary, with the end goal always being it's complete extermination.
>>2566810I don't even own that hat anymore.
>>2566844reminder that lenin said communism is soviet power plus electrification of the whole country
>>2566799please chairman reif. i am terrorized by reactionaries and desire to be rescued by real communists
>>2566844If capital is global already, then we can start the revolution, right?
>>2566843Only a combination of voting and nonvoting tactics can overthrow imperialism
>>2566895>This post is more insightful than most anything else in this thread<Democrat flag/USApol/ on suicide watch
>>2566890
Joe Slovo wrote that work in 1971 under his pen name Sol Dubula, it is a work that outlines Spear of the Nation's first 10 years of struggle against Apartheid in South Africa. It discusses the role of sabotage against infrastructure by party cadres, the role of struggle waged both inside and outside the country, the difference between urban and rural struggle, and urban/rural guerillas, the difference between violent and nonviolent struggle, why spontaneous uprisings must be taken advantage of but cannot succeed alone, and how to avoid the two extreme positions, "pure detonator theory" and "pure reconstruction theory." Slovo also touches on why and how armed/illegal struggle and political/legal struggle complement one another, how political and military leadership differ, but should not become fully separated into specialized organs once armed struggle commences, but should continue to overlap and interpenetrate one another, with the army remaining an instrument of the political movement throughout. The work remains relevant to anyone living in a modern, imperial core, settler-colonial police state like the USA.
>>2566676>Psyop dogfoodingThat's why you need a gerontocracy with ample time to filter out or reform the retards. Who moves at a slower pace and is at least afforded the privilege of being above the latest dogma. That way, at least you keep a relative advantage, by lagging behind on the race to humanity's bottom.
>>2566902
No I read it the first time you told us to read it like a year or two ago
>>2566911
Thanks; on section 5 now
>>2566760you show up to overstate always to prevent education
>>2566870>>2566844Israel is occupied palestine so all that value actually went to palestine. Chinese power plants, ports, and goods alleviate poverty of palestinians. To demand China to never deal with Palestine is to demand Palestinians be poorer. Communist China also invests billions into ameriKKKan power plants. Those power plants will become critical objectives in the next phase of People War and highest burden to occupying force.
>>2566933Nothing was overstated. They are spreading lies and anti-Communism. They call China capitalist so they must be destroyed. Scientific, direct refutation and correction of their deviation with citation is highest form of education
>>2566844Imperialism with chinese characteristics
Insane Republican faked crime to blame leftists
Ex-Van Drew staffer staged fake attack, writing ‘Trump Whore’ across her stomach and alleging men held her down and cut her body
26-year-old Ocean City woman who claimed she was brutally assaulted because she worked for Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R-Ocean City) instead orchestrated the entire incident — paying a scarification artist to wound her and staging the scene with zip ties and “Trump Whore” written on her stomach and “Van Drew is a racist” on her back, federal prosecutors alleged today.
Natalie Greene, a Rutgers law student, allegedly concocted the hoax in July, with an accomplice making a late-night 911 call to report that she had been ambushed by three men on a nature trail iuygh Harbor Township. Police officers found Greene bound with black zip ties, her shirt pulled over her head, and the political slurs scrawled across her torso. She told police that her supposed attackers had a gun and threatened to shoot her, and struck her in the head.
Prosecutors say nearly every detail was fabricated.
Greene allegedly drove to Pennsylvania and paid a body-modification artist $500 to carve the wounds on her face, neck, and upper body, using a pattern she had provided in advance. Investigators later found matching zip ties in her Maserati SUV. Cellphone records showed that two days before the purported attack, her co-conspirator searched online for “zip ties near me,” a discovery authorities cited as further proof that the incident was staged
https://newjerseyglobe.com/congress/van-drew-staffer-staged-fake-attack-writing-trump-whore-across-her-stomach-and-alleging-men-held-her-down-and-cut-her-body/>>2566961>They call China capitalist so they must be destroyedhold on… let me scroll up and read what they said
<they claim to be in the lower stage of socialism, i.e.they have a state-capitalist market economy run by a communist party at the head of the statewow, sounds like you lied about what they said and you want to derail with random accusations in the hopes that people read only your post and not the original post
>>2566968> ambushed by three men on a nature trail iuygh Harbor Township. mods really need to fix the word filter
>>2566970State capitalism is capitalism. China is Communist, not state-capitalist. Today, the socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated. State-capitalism in China formally ended with proclamation of the establishment of the socialist system marked by end of New Democratic Dictatorship Era (1949-1956) and beginning of Era of Socialist Transformation and Great Debate (1956-1982.)
https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/8th_congress.htm This party document, China's constitution, and my other post totally refute that phony anti-Party stagism and all notions that China is capitalist. Derailing anti-Communism is not a crime. You are the one derailing by calling china capitalist
>>2566975>State capitalism is capitalism. China is Communist, not state-capitalist. Cheng Enfu, director of the Academy of Marxist Philosophy and director of Western Economic Studies Center of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS), and the president of the World Association of Political Economy (WAPE), who knows more about China than either you or I, says China is in the lower stage of socialism. What does he mean by this? He means China has a state-capitalist market economy, under the control of a Communist party. As I cited earlier. You seem so allergic to nuance and so angry that anyone dare refer to such an authority, that you have repeatedly lied about what is being said, trying to polarize the conversation into a false dichotomy, so that you can beat everyone over the head with your oversimplification. This is because you are a dogmatist and a vulgarizeer, and I must reassert my position with each new post, because I know that when a 3rd, 4th, and 5th person enters this conversation, they will do so without scrolling up and reading what I actually said, instead referring only to your lies. Let's reassert that position once more, and repost Cheng Enfu's chart:
<China don't even claim to be communist, they claim to be in the lower stage of socialism, i.e. they have a state-capitalist market economy run by a communist party at the head of the stateThis is what China actually says about themselves, and yet you overstate China in "defense" of China. You actually push a line more extreme and uncompromising than China's own line, so that the goalpost of the China "defense" appears further from reality, and further from the line of the CPC itself. When people who are actually knowledgeable about the CPC's position show up and correct you, you pretend they are anti-China, and you are merely defending China from imperialists, but the reality is you are trying to remove all nuance from the conversation, mischaracterize anyone who introduces nuance as imperialist, and shut down discussion by repeatedly lying about what your opposition is even saying. You hope that people log on, read your post, don't scroll up, believe your lies, and attack the actual nuance as being equivalent to your strawman. This is such dishonest and disgusting rhetorical strategy that it must be called out and demonstrated repeatedly with each new post, making my posts longer and longer with each additional lie you tell.
>>2566962>Imperialism with chinese characteristicsnotice how the "China defender" anon didn't attack this post which actually attacks China without any substance, but only attacked the post that had an actual nuanced take on China.
He only attacked this post instead:
>>2566359>they don't even claim to be communist, they claim to be in the lower stage of socialism, i.e. they have a state-capitalist market economy run by a communist party at the head of the stateThe "China defender anon" in question:
>>2566760>>2566975>>2566961This anon finds the notion that China is constructing the lower stage of socialism through the mechanism of a state capitalist economy managed by a communist party more offensive than the naked assertion that China is imperialist. Curious.
There isn't any group actively working to resolve the contradictions of the current American national project. I find there to be many "vulgar internationalists" who are nationalist for a country that isn't there's while predicating their revolutionary politics solely around a disdain for "America", wherein the nation state must be destroyed and no revolution is truly possible here. This is why you go to a communist meeting and there's 3 hours of discussion on Cuba and Cuban policies or USSR history, or whatever, but rarely if ever is there a discussion of a path forward for the nation state wherein the party is located. This creates a fundamental disconnect between your 'revolutionary' and the masses. Its why every one I've ever talked to about politics has some story about a communist spending their entire discussion glazing and worshipping places that neither party has been to. It's easier to admire a revolution elsewhere than to build the painful foundations of one here.
Predicating one's entire politics on a disdain for America is not a strategy; its an identity. The masses you seek to lead do not share this purely negative orientation. They have a complex, often contradictory, relationship with the national project that must be considered by the vanguard.
The anarchists believe that the nation state should be wholly destroyed with the absence of the nation state bringjng liberation but this seems Utopian based on historical materialism. There are no other places in earth were the nation state as a framework has been left behind. Even in places like Africa where many of those countries were created by Europeans drawing borders, post-revolution the nation state remains. (See: Burkina Faso, Congo pre-lumumba assassination). This tells me that a vanguard within the US would need to work towards resolving the contradictions and providing a national narrative that is explicitly anti-imperialist and de-colonial, while maintaining the nation state's already existing borders and existence within the global, internationalist sphere. This is much, much more difficult that 1) dogmatically believing the material conditions of today are the same as 1917 Russia or similar 2) believing that America can simply be destroyed and we can return to the days before it existed. Both are fundamentally reactionary takes. The goal of the vanguard isn't to march on the streets demanding better represenatjon, but to build counter hegonomy, counter power which can challenge the existing social contract/narrative towards something which releases the working masses from their chains, while understanding the limitations created by the historical material conditions the nation-state currently exists in.
>>2566982>Gets angry over Chynah being called imperialist for being close friends with the modern nazoid stateCoping with chinese characteristics
>>2566844Guys it's not capitalist imperilist war profeteering, they're asians with a red flag and they told me so
God i love Chinese communism
>Tlaib Introduces Resolution Recognizing the Genocide of the Palestinian People in Gaza
>The resolution finds that the Israeli government has committed acts of genocide and demonstrated a clear pattern of genocidal intent at the highest levels of its government and military. It calls for the United States to respect its obligations under the Genocide Convention by employing all means reasonably available to it to prevent and punish the crime of genocide, including:
>the cessation of relevant arms and equipment transfers; the investigation and prosecution of individuals and corporations in the United States implicated in the crime of genocide; compliance with the orders of the International Court of Justice and the investigations of the International Criminal Court; and
targeted, lawful sanctions with respect to the State of Israel and individuals or corporations involved in or facilitating the commission of genocide.
>This legislation is cosponsored by Reps. Becca Balint (VT-AL), André Carson (IN-07), Greg Casar (TX-35), Maxine Dexter (OR-03), Maxwell Alejandro Frost (FL-10), Jesús G. “Chuy” García (IL-04), Al Green (TX-09), Pramila Jayapal (WA-07), Henry “Hank” Johnson, Jr. (GA-04), Ro Khanna (CA-17), Summer Lee (PA-12), Jim McGovern (MA-02), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (NY-14), Ilhan Omar (MN-05), Mark Pocan (WI-02), Ayanna Pressley (MA-07), Delia C. Ramirez (IL-03), Lateefah Simon (CA-12), Nydia Velázquez (NY-07), and Bonnie Watson Coleman (NJ-12)
>This legislation is endorsed by over 100 organizations including: A New Policy, Action Corps, Action For Gaza, Adalah Justice Project, American Friends Service Committee (AFSC), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), Americans for Justice in Palestine Action (AJP Action), Amnesty International USA, Anti-Fascist Organizing Coalition,Arab American Civil Rights League, Arab American Institute, Arab Resource & Organizing Center Action (AROC Action), Arms Control Association, Center for Constitutional Rights, Center for Jewish Nonviolence, Chicago Area Peace Action, Christians for a Free Palestine, Cleveland Peace Action, Climate and Community Institute, CODEPINK, Community Alliance for Peace and Justice, Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), DAWN, Defending Rights and Dissent, Defense for Children International – Palestine, Democratic Socialists of America, Democratic Socialists of America – Portland, Oregon Chapter, Detroit Anti-War Committee, Detroit & MI National Lawyers Guild, Detroiters For Tax Justice, Doctors Against Genocide, Forensic Architecture, Freedom Forward, Friends Committee on National Legislation (FCNL), Friends of Sabeel North America (FOSNA), Friendship-West Baptist Church, Genesee Valley Citizens for Peace, Gen-Z for Change, Hindus for Human Rights, Historians for Peace and Democracy, IfNotNow, International Association of Genocide Scholars, IMEU Policy Project, Jewish Voice for Peace Action, Jews for Racial & Economic Justice, Just Foreign Policy, Justice Democrats, Justice is Global, Macomb Defenders Rising, MADRE, Maine Coalition for Palestine, MARUF CT, Maryland United for Peace and Justice, Massachusetts Peace Action, Mennonite Central Committee U.S., Methodist Federation for Social Action, Metro Detroit DSA, Michigan Divest, Migrant Roots Media, Minnesota Peace Project, Money Out of Politics Movement, Moratorium Now, MPower Change Action Fund, Muslim Advocates, Muslim Civic Coalition, Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), National Nurses United, NH Peace Action, North Carolina Democrats for Palestinian Lives, North Carolina Peace Action, Palestine House of Freedom, Palestine Justice Network of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), Palestine Legal, Pax Christi Metro DC-Baltimore, Pax Christi New York State, Peace Action, Peace Action Maine, Peace Action Montgomery, Peace Action New York State, Peace Action of San Mateo County, Peace, Justice, Sustainability, NOW!, Philadelphia Arab American Development Corps, Progressive Democrats of America (PDA), Progressive Democrats of America – Central New Mexico, Progressive Jews of St. Louis (ProJoSTL), Project South, Quincy Institute for, Responsible Statecraft, Rabbis for Ceasefire, Rachel Corrie Foundation for Peace and Justice, ReThinking Foreign Policy, Rising Majority, RootsAction, Stand Up Indivisible Rochester, Sunrise Movement, The American Council for Judaism, The Hind Rajab Foundation, The Justice Coalition Action, Transition Security Project, U.S. Palestinian Community Network (USPCN), United Church of Christ, United Methodists for Kairos Response (UMKR), US Palestinian Council, US Campaign for Palestinian Rights Action (USCPR Action), Veterans For Peace, Watermelon Seed Collective, We The People Dissent (Indivisible), World BEYOND War, and Yemen Relief and Reconstruction Foundation.https://tlaib.house.gov/posts/tlaib-introduces-resolution-recognizing-the-genocide-of-the-palestinian-people-in-gaza What is it called when you reject both TW and leftcom thought? is only genuine marxism left?
>>2567105It means you are brain poisoned by digital sectarianism
>>2567126Polemics is good actually
>>2567125Third worldism
>>2567105American exceptionalism
>>2566994/USA/pol continuously proving it supports native american genocide I see.
>>2567135no that would be leftcoms with american characteristics
>>2567120
Proposing a system that puts Amerikkkans always last
>>2566844>China does no reconstruction in Palestineah, yeah, China
MUST rebuild what Europe and the US destroys.
aha, sure, motherfucker piece of shit, let's everybody go there and build the new Arab-Islam center of the world and see it destroyed in a whim and a tantrum of the US and the zionists respectively.
Zohran is trying to make that guy going against Hakeem drop out who supported him and is in the dsa.b I am hopeful of him but this is very disappointing
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aoc-mamdani-chi-osse-jeffries_n_691d33a1e4b073def3eecace>>2567199I think it's an incredibly bad look for both of them. Can't understand why they did it. Most charitable interpretation is they are afraid he will lose and bring the institutional momentum to a halt, but what is more demoralizing than this?
>>2567199DSA is a liberal organization founded by a zionist. If you are part of DSA, you are part of the capitalist class and are trying to lessen revolutionary potential.
>>2567086ah, yes, China must rebuild whatever thing Palestine got destroyed by the US and the EU weapons, to make you happy, to see the US and the EU destroy it again, for you to do nothing.
>>2567208Jeffries is way worse than the dsa
>>2567210Yeah that's why DSA's Mamdani want Jeffries to win
>>2567199I think this is the fastest anyone has bended the knee to dem party leadership. If they're not taking every opportunity to primary Hakeem they're just not planning to take over the party in the slightest. Wheres the resident DSA guy that insisted the entryism was a viable strategy to take over the dem party, come organize your no kings march, brother
>>2567209How good that Israel's best friend and lover China rebuilds the infrastructure they totally legally acquired
>>2567209>to make you happypresumably it would be to make the Palestinians happy. It's ironic but true that most of the money to rebuild Gaza will be coming from the US and EU
>>2566802
burgerbrain is a disease
>>2567226
What's the chance of this being AI
>>2567228It's real anon, I remember this clip from before AI vids became a thing
>>2567202I sort of understand if the political calculation is that Osse is not a strong enough candidate, which I disagree because Jeffries is massively unpopular and a dog would be a strong primary opponent, but they're selling it with literal purity testing, so I think they just do not want to rock the boat too much and are trying to get DSA members on board who are too conscious about being good socialists or whatever, you know, they're marks.
>>2567199that guy (osse) is an opportunist and a grifter. it speaks about DSA's incompetence that he was allowed back in after zohran won
>>2567228We are destined for the shittiest boring dystopias. We are gonna get the technology to engage in the most complete forms of escapism. But after the AI crash consolidates it all and mandates the monopolies of a few techbros, it will be Groks all the way down. Nazi Grok, Liberal Grok, Ancap Grok, Socdem Grok…
And all the would-be cool consumer tech, will have to be approved by the same retards who wanted to connect your fridge to the internet.
>>2567251is the DSA endorsing ANYONE as a Jeffries opponent?
>>2567254im not in the dsa so i cant speak to what their short and long term strategy is
>>2567251oh wow, fuck this guy
>>2567261this looks real to me
>>2567259
all political parties are kinda like hitler if you rly think about it
>>25672091) China has always been part of the two-state solution, which includes groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. If they run business in Israel is in compliance with these things. The only country that proposes the one-state solution, where Palestine is the sole country in that area is Iran, and
I'VE NEVER SEEN PEOPLE ITT EVEN LESS 'TARDFFIN DICKRIDING IRAN FOR THEIR ROLE OF WHAT THEY WANT FOR PALESTINE. Spare me the smugnorant face.
2) It was China, not the EU, not the US, not any NATO member, for your salty tears, who arranges the peace deal between Hamas and Hezbollah and other Palestinian authorities factions. Cope and seethe about it.
>>2567220>presumably it would be to make the Palestinians happyno, no, no. it's to make 'tardffin happy. see, the EU and the US must destroy Palestine, so China rebuilds it, so the US and the EU destroy Palestine, again, so he can be happy about it because China did something. Now, never ask him
what did he do about it.
>It's ironic but true that most of the money to rebuild Gaza will be coming from the US and EUBULSHIT it'll be Arabs states, the cucked nations on earth that will do so. if you really start believing that the US and the EU will rebuild anything on Gaza, you might as well start believing in UFOs.
https://www.gsn-online.com/news-centre/article/gulf-states-spotlight-world-looks-donors-pay-gaza>Riyadh and Abu Dhabi will be expected to contribute heavily to the estimated $70bn cost of rebuilding the shattered Palestinian territory – but both countries have been relatively cautious towards US President Trump’s “historic dawn of a new Middle East.” >>2567269>1) China has always been part of the two-state solution, which includes groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. If they run business in Israel is in compliance with these things. The only country that proposes the one-state solution, where Palestine is the sole country in that area is Iran, and I'VE NEVER SEEN PEOPLE ITT EVEN LESS 'TARDFFIN DICKRIDING IRAN FOR THEIR ROLE OF WHAT THEY WANT FOR PALESTINE. Spare me the smugnorant face.>2) It was China, not the EU, not the US, not any NATO member, for your salty tears, who arranges the peace deal between Hamas and Hezbollah and other Palestinian authorities factions. Cope and seethe about it.meant to:
>>2567215 >>2567226oh, that's my gurl comradebaddie. I think she was rathbone's GF at some point.
>>2567228no AI.
>>2567274
>leftists
>not relevant to Marxist Leninists
>>2567289>>2567274Wonderful, let’s have another retarded argument over stupid semantics about whether communists are or aren’t ”leftists”. Can we also get Felix to do his morning warm up of calling CPUSA Anon a Hitlerite for going to Autozone and maybe some scribblings from Whodini about $400 dinners and sports cars too.
I love it here
>>2567280>All this clearly contradicts the global trend of taking into account the Chinese threat. About a month ago in the US, CBS's 60 Minutes program aired, in which US Gen. Tim Haugh former commander of Cyber Command and head of the National Security Agency (NSA) and head of the Central Security Service (CSS) until last April, warned that China "is targeting not only the US military and industry, but also Americans in their homes." He described how Chinese state-owned companies are present in US power plants, water purification facilities, hospitals, and media.lmao they scared
>>2567271>Muh leftistGo back to voting Bernie to beat the heckin fascists you shitlib
>>2567316it's almost lunchtime agent johnson, what did the wife pack today?
>>2567321Didn't know the CIA was anti zionist. You never learn out!
>>2567209Instead China is rebuilding what Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas destroyed :)
>>2567311Sorry America but you have a new greatest ally
zohran status?
>>2567337as well with what the zionists destroyed in Iran :^)
>>2567354A good little labour zionist
>>2567202>>2567244the "leadership class" tier DSA people still fantasize about national democrat leadership recognizing their movement as an electoral asset and embracing them. They can't imagine being anything more than a sidekick to the likes of Schumer who gets to propose a special bill sometimes if they are good, they can't imagine taking over and wielding political power in this country. It's the careerism of AOC as a national political project which is why I think they are a waste of time.
>>2567269Funny how supporting the two state solution is cringe liberal Zionism unless China does it.
>what did he do about it.Nothing anyone here does could have done as much impact and damage to Israel than if China simply refused to continue trading with them, operate their ports and building them infrastructure at very low costs.
>>2567355Financing and profiting from both sides of a war. When AmeriKKKa or the Rockefellers do it it's called imperialism and opportunism. When Ch¥na does it it's based "do nothing win" *insert Chad xi meme here*
>>2567363Did someone call him a pedo for the evidence of his pedophilia?
>>2567309despite you not reading past the title, lenin's argument is neither "leftism and communism are two different things" nor "leftism ALWAYS means the left wing of capital" his argument is that the very specific people calling themselves "left wing" communists at the time were cancer because of their theoretical and practical errors, which he elucidates, hence the scare quotes around "left wing" in the title.
Last time this subject came up we had an unironic Hazcel contradicting himself
>>2561774>>2567369>Last time this subject came up we had an unironic Hazcel contradicting himselfthats bc the person youre replying to is a hazcel lol
>>2567369Expecting them to not only read but then understand what they read is two or three bridges too far.
>>2567367wow great job picking this lady's spawn for your transition team zohran 🤮
>>2567222What disgusts me most about DSA, I think, is they are naturally reformists, opportunists and chauvinists who are going to betray all the people in this country who are very fed up with capitalism but lack political education, and those people will drift towards reactionaries in the wake of that betrayal instead of warming up to more revolutionary methods.
>>2567359>Funny how supporting the two state solution is cringe liberal Zionism unless China does it.yeah, unless you want to go against every goddamn Arab state backing it up, against the Palestinian authorities and impose yourself a one-state solution, or better, I got one easier for you: overthrow your nato-western governments that are setting up the conditions for a two-state solution (disguising the Israel one-state solution), why would it be on China's shoulders that struggle? what did the western do when the USSR intervened militarily in say, Afghanistan? did they march voluntarily to support the Red Army? are you going to march with the Chinese PLA to support them in Palestine? no? then yes, it's based when China recognizes it, it's cringe when others do. Because others do on behalf of colonialism, China does it on behalf of their material conditions, and knowing very well who the fuck are you and how little they could count on people like you.
Petro proposed to create an army to be there. I saw
no western leftist movement to go to each Colombian consulate or embassy and assist the calls to arms none. and before you say "muh third world what did they do?" for starters Petro on its own, then Prabowo from Indonesia stated sending 20,000 troops.
>Nothing anyone here does could have done as much impact and damage to Israel than if China simply refused to continue trading with them, operate their ports and building them infrastructure at very low costs.>excuses to armchairism.go do a yoga-spinning class outside an ICE facility with a marijane joint. that's praxis for you.
>>2567381DSA is not a monolith. Idk whats with the concept of a big tent org that befuddles the brains of users here
>>2567080Pointing out that the guy who "defends" China hardest ITT is a troll because he goes after the people who
accurately point out what China claims to be harder than he goes after the people who actually attack China as imperialist. Increased literacy and critical thinking skills will help you to discern authorial intent when reading short works.
>>2567386they're mostly feds so they can be safely ignored
>>2567386I'm talking about the actual elected officials tailing the democratic party. I thought that would be evident from the context of the conversation and who I was replying to, but I guess not.
>>2567382Those "goddamn" arab states are giga reactionaries, smaller capitalists who don't want to stand up against others, or literal slave owning monarchies. What do you care what they think when it's Palestinians wanting from YOU, the retard, and so called socialists with the largest power in the world to hold a maximalist postion against the genocide of Palestinians. KYS larper
>>2567392Ah ok, sorry about that
>>2567393>Those "goddamn" arab states are giga reactionaries, smaller capitalists who don't want to stand up against others, or literal slave owning monarchiesI think Palestinians authorities also wanting a two-state solution, including the ones that have been spending their blood are also "giga reactionaries" who don't deserve an opinion. in any case, go there, as Petro asked to form an army to liberate Palestine. what are
YOU waiting?
>larperright back ya.
>>2567393>Those "goddamn" arab states are giga reactionaries, smaller capitalists who don't want to stand up against others, or literal slave owning monarchiesYou are zionisms strongest soldier
>>2567396>I think Palestinians authorities also wanting a two-state solutionTHEY ARE LITERALLY BEING MURDERED YOU RETARDED SHITHEAD OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T CLAIM TO THE WORLD THEY WANT ZIONIST HEADS ON THE SPIKE WHILE THE WHOLE WORLD SEARCHES FOR ANY EXCUSE TO TORTURE THEIR CHILDREN KYS
Revolution status?
>>2567399Oh who could forget the socialist states of Syria, Tunis, Egypt or Saudi Arabia my bad!
>>2567408goalpost status = moved
>>2567412From what exactly? Did I miss the socialist states of Pakistan, Iraq, Jordan or UAE that are totally not reactionary and or capitalist?
rarted
it doesn't matter either way. the two state solution under 1967 borders is a nonstarter. Israel knows it, USA knows it, China knows it. It would kill zionism. the western wall would literally be in Jordan. Never gonna happen
>>2567417See
>>2567368He's crashing out so hard that even House Dem leaders are getting nervous
>>2567368>muh jorge washington is revolushonaryi wonder how the PQTRIQTS who got suppressed in the whiskey rebellion and shay's rebellion feel about that statement
>>2567422>everyone who disagrees with me is a groyperautism
>>2567419What would kill Israel is a one state solution called Palestine you zionist shitlib.
>>2567420>We have been in contact with the House Sergeant at Arms and the United States Capitol Police to ensure the safety of these Members and their families.Sheesh, what a time to be alive
>>2567425He pretty much convinced me that you are that groyper spammer by the way you responded now.
>>2567426I would prefer that. Unfortunately I'm not an idealist
>>2567429No, you're not an idealist. You are a zionist
>>2567430>You are a zionistNo you are a Zionist
>>2567427You best start believing in the Cool Zone, fellow comrades
YOU'RE LIVING IN IT
>>2567431I'm for a maximalist one state solution that benefits the people of Palestine whose land and lives have been stolen by zionists. You are for imperialism and hoping that China can make a buck out of dead palestinians and their stolen land. You are the zionist.
>>2567434oh an idealist zionist, even worse
>>2567436You are for imperialism and hoping that China can make a buck out of dead palestinians and their stolen land. Again. You are the zionist.
>>256743712 shekels deposited into your account
>>2567382>unless you want to go against every goddamn Arab state backing it up, against the Palestinian authoritiesI mean yeah? Ending a genocide and colonial occupation is to me more important than the geopolitical interests of the Arab Brotherhood™ and the corrupt and useless Palestinian government. Fuck all of these countries for not doing anything at all with the exception of Iran, Houthis and Hez.
>overthrow your nato-western governmentsWow you're such a genius, why didn't I think of this before???
>why would China's shoulders carry that struggle?I'm not asking for for the PLA to march on Tel Aviv (tho it would be based but they won't do it cuz they're cucks) simply breaking ties with Israel and ceasing operations on all their ports would do a heavy blow to the Zionist entity and without costing a single Chinese life.
>China does it on behalf of their material conditionsGlad you agree that Ch¥na's geopolitical strategy has always been that of opportunistic nation-building and capital accumulation rather than anti-imperialism or international communist solidarity.
> I saw no western leftist movement to go to each Colombian consulate or embassy and assist the calls to arms nonePetro also asked for Chinese military intervention in Israel and they left him on read lmao.
>go do a yoga-spinning class outside an ICE facility with a marijane joint. that's praxis for you.There is indeed much to be criticized about the merits of all the protests, strikes, charities and boycotts done by the Western left in support of Palestine but even these actions, despite their uselessness, were still far bigger displays of solidarity and support than any done the governments and the proletariat of most countries including Ch¥na. Literally what the fuck did they do? Other than selling Huaweii phones to Hamas leadership? Was there at least a single protest at the Israeli embassy in China?
>>2567417being in a bind where he has to veto the epstein files I assume
>>2567442>Ch¥naAhahah what is this fresh new cope. That's fucking hilarious actually
>>2567404ok, go there, take Petro's initiative and stop complaining about what China does or doesn't do.
>>2567438The only response you gave to accusations of zionism was saying no u after blatantly proving that you are fully fine with Palestinian lives and homes being stolen. You are a zionist. Kys
>>2567445What China does is working with zionists to make a nice profit off of stolen land and what it doesn't do is help Palestinian people while they're being murdered.
Bubbagate status?
>>2567448
I didn't know that being anti zionist for a one state solution that doesn't benefit you zionists is being anti communist, but leave it to zionists like you to change reality to whatever narrative fits.
>>2567452many people are saying that trump tried to suck obama's dick but obama called him a fag and that's why trump hates him so much
>you're zionist
<no you're zionist
>actually by calling me a zionist that proves you're a zionist
<actually by calling me a zionist that proves you're a zionist
riveting conversation fellas. nobody can sort you two out so may as well both stfu and stop cluttering the thread with low quality sneedposts directed only at one another
>>2567458Nice enlightened centrist we got here
>>2567459>Political violence has no place in AmericaStart off with a brazen lie, nice nice
>>2567460you're both probably anti zionist but you're really desperate to prove it by throwing one another under the bus with low quality "umm no u" posting. it's tiresome to see this kind of lazy cannibalism on here non stop.
>>2567468>it's tiresome to see this kind of lazy cannibalism on here non stop.You should get used to it. The thread has always been garbage.
from
https://newrepublic.com/post/203409/donald-trump-guts-federal-protections-whistleblowersThe White House is close to implementing a new rule that would effectively eradicate congressionally approved whistleblower protections.Congress has passed several laws since the 1970s extending protections to federal workers who call out governmental wrongdoing. But the Trump administration is planning on chipping away at that by updating its policy on accountability, which would “exclude senior employees from legal protections that prohibit U.S. government agencies from retaliating against whistleblowers,” reported Reuters Tuesday.
Federal employment attorneys noted that the new policy would make targets out of the people most likely to find themselves in positions to uncover serious corruption.
“Translation: Trump can fire federal employees who point out that he’s broken the law. That’s pretty damn dark,” wrote Miles Taylor, an ex–Homeland Security official who drew national attention in 2018 when he anonymously penned an op-ed for The New York Times claiming to be part of the internal “resistance” against Trump’s first-term agenda.
It would follow through on Donald Trump’s April proposal to create a new federal employee category to “enhance accountability.”
“This rule empowers federal agencies to swiftly remove employees in policy-influencing roles for poor performance, misconduct, corruption, or subversion of Presidential directives, without lengthy procedural hurdles,” reads a White House fact sheet from the time on the proposed changes.
The Office of Personnel Management estimated at the time that the switch-up could affect as many as 50,000 positions across government agencies.
The Trump administration told Reuters Tuesday that the new rule would not strip employees of their current protections but would “put individual federal agencies in charge of enforcing those safeguards.”
“This administration is making good on its determination to silence dissent in all forms, creating a culture of fear, silence and intimidation,” Andrew Bakaj, chief legal counsel of the nonpartisan group Whistleblower Aid, told Reuters in a statement.
>>2567469>it's always been shitty but it need not continue that way
>>2567450>pure deflectionoh would you look at that.
>>2567442>Petro also asked for Chinese military intervention in Israel and they left him on read lmao.another deflection. and a lie. Multiple Chinese political commentary people boasted the idea:
https://m.huanqiu.com/article/4OV4CZ3vaDc>佩特罗在联合国纽约总部外参加了一场支持巴勒斯坦的示威集会……他呼吁建立一支‘拯救世界的军队’，称这支力量必须比美国军队更庞大，其‘首要任务是解放巴勒斯坦’>“Petro took part in a pro-Palestine demonstration outside the UN in New York… he called to form a ‘world-saving army’, saying it must be larger than the US military and that its primary task is to ‘liberate Palestine’literally without criticism, without twisting Petro's words, without attacking the idea, presenting the information as it should like no other media in the west did it.
would you look at that, all the deflection.
in resume: If China doesn't do it,
why would I do it lmao you are a larper.
you don't criticize China because you care about Palestine, you don't criticize the Palestinian authorities or the Arab states that back up the two-solution because you care about the Palestinians,
you criticize it to feel good about your inaction and responsibility on the issue. >>2567471So yeah they're straight up just speedrunning to naked autocracy, kill all dissidents and anyone in government who says maybe we shouldn't kill dissidents
>>2567325
she's right, but very few western people are ready for that discussion.
>>2567468If you claim that supporting a one state solution is zionist and anti communist, I will call you a zionist because you are one. I do not care about your feelings regarding supposed lazy cannibalism or how it is totally acceptable when China does it. You are not my ally, nor is anyone who claims two state solutions are a good idea. I told you why Palestinians would say it and why everyone should demand a one-state solution harder, but you retards just go the typical route of "BUT MY DADDY CHYNAH!"
>>2567475>pure deflectionSomething tells me you do not know what that means. If you hate having your dumb rhetorical claims answered, then you should just stop responding.
>>2567445>>2567396Petro's initiative is specifically asking for military cooperation between UN members (specifically Russia and Ch¥na) against Israel, not a volunteer militia concerned citizens.
Is Petro also being a LARPer and unreasonable for asking this or questioning the world's lack of effort in stopping a genocide?
If even a country as small and weak as Colombia is risking their neck for Palestine then why the much more powerful BRICS block or the -ACKsis of resistance aren't?
>>2567473despite all efforts on the contrary the low brow stuff is encouraged, lenin quotes will get removed and this shit
>>2566932 will remain. just the way it is
>>2567490Oh, oh. How do we twist ourselves out of this one, Ziosisters? Is Yemen imperialist and zionist for daring to question our socialist states of Russia and China?
I cannot wait until The Great American Crashout happens
>>2567482>Resistance leaders>brings one post>from a journalist/political analystyeah, buddy, we stretched the concept of plural to one post, and leaders to a journo/analyst.
keep deflecting. when you decide to stop the deflection, join Petro's initiative.
Be mindful of your travel patterns! The government is using widespread ALPR and cameras with "predictive intelligence" to monitor Americans driving patterns:
>The U.S. Border Patrol is monitoring millions of American drivers nationwide in a secretive program to identify and detain people whose travel patterns it deems suspicious, The Associated Press has found.
>The predictive intelligence program has resulted in people being stopped, searched and in some cases arrested. A network of cameras scans and records vehicle license plate information, and an algorithm flags vehicles deemed suspicious based on where they came from, where they were going and which route they took. Federal agents in turn may then flag local law enforcement.
>…Once limited to policing the nation’s boundaries, the Border Patrol has built a surveillance system stretching into the country’s interior that can monitor ordinary Americans’ daily actions and connections for anomalies instead of simply targeting wanted suspects. Started about a decade ago to fight illegal border-related activities and the trafficking of both drugs and people, it has expanded over the past five years.
>…The Border Patrol has defined its own criteria for which drivers’ behavior should be deemed suspicious or tied to drug or human trafficking, stopping people for anything from driving on backcountry roads, being in a rental car or making short trips to the border region. The agency’s network of cameras now extends along the southern border in Texas, Arizona and California, and also monitors drivers traveling near the U.S.-Canada border.
>And it reaches far into the interior, impacting residents of big metropolitan areas and people driving to and from large cities such as Chicago and Detroit, as well as from Los Angeles, San Antonio, and Houston to and from the Mexican border region. In one example, AP found the agency has placed at least four cameras in the greater Phoenix area over the years, one of which was more than 120 miles (193 kilometers) from the Mexican frontier, beyond the agency’s usual jurisdiction of 100 miles (161 kilometers) from a land or sea border. The AP also identified several camera locations in metropolitan Detroit, as well as one placed near the Michigan-Indiana border to capture traffic headed towards Chicago or Gary, Indiana, or other nearby destinations.
>“They are collecting mass amounts of information about who people are, where they go, what they do, and who they know … engaging in dragnet surveillance of Americans on the streets, on the highways, in their cities, in their communities,” Nicole Ozer, the executive director of the Center for Constitutional Democracy at UC Law San Francisco, said in response to the AP’s findings.
>…A federal grant program called Operation Stonegarden, which has existed in some form for nearly two decades, has handed out hundreds of millions of dollars to buy automated license plate readers, camera-equipped drones and other surveillance gear for local police and sheriffs agencies. Stonegarden grant funds also pay for local law enforcement overtime, which deputizes local officers to work on Border Patrol enforcement priorities. Under President Donald Trump, the Republican-led Congress this year allocated $450 million for Stonegarden to be handed out over the next four fiscal years. In the previous four fiscal years, the program gave out $342 million.Worth reading for the technical detail alone:
https://apnews.com/article/immigration-border-patrol-surveillance-drivers-ice-trump-9f5d05469ce8c629d6fecf32d32098cd >>2567420>Politicians calling the president making death threats to his political enemies to "delete this"What an incredible time to be alive.
>>2567499>bleep blorp our database says you only drive to work and school, and now you drive to beach when you finally get day off, that is suspicious, be prepared to spend half your day pulled overbleak, man
>>2567488>specifically Russia and Ch¥na>words not said in Petro's argument.I am going to give you the exact words he used, and how he's calling for
YOU>The location doesn't matter, because the voice that comes from there communicates not only to all the United Nations offices, but to all of humanity.the only thing he said about the UN is that such force should under the UN banner.
>>2567504Each day the crazy guy at Battery Park with the schizobabble sign about FEMA camps becomes more vindicated.
>>2567475>Multiple Chinese political commentary people boasted the idea:Wow I'm sure the people of Gaza will really appreciate all the likes and retweets these posts got on Twitter and Weibo. Where's the actual Chinese assistance for Palestine though?
>You criticize it to feel good about your inactionOf course I can't really do anything to stop the genocide, I'm a random fucking nobody. What do you want me or anyone else here to do short of bombing the nearest Israeli embassy (which also will accomplish nothing)? It's countries like Ch¥na, RuSSia and Iran which actually be have the power, means and capacity to improve things for Palestinians and if we can't even criticize their faults and demand their involvement then everyone's cooked.
>>2567514keep deflecting, never join Petro's proposal.
>>2567521He directly responded to your ridiculous garbage to defend China at all costs, no matter how many Palestinians die. Now explain what you think deflection means.
>never join Petro's proposal.Have you joined Petro's proposal? You seem pretty proud of it. How many people are there and how many Palestinians have you saved by calling for this while endlessly shilling every imperialist move China does
>>2567514> Where's the actual Chinese assistance for Palestine though?I think they're just too busy undoing the accomplishments of the western left because it makes them more money.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-china-still-winning-major-israeli-infrastructure-deals-1001526575 >>2567524>Have you joined Petro's proposal?In fact, I did. I called the Colombia's embassy, and got into a list. but I am not the one criticizing China for convenience and feel good about it, so the burden is not on me, and asking me is more deflection.
ITT weeks ago even stated that every radlib should join, and everyone ignore the post. In the archive list must be my comment about Petro's proposal.
>>2567518Yup. He's calling for executions because they told the military that if they're being ordered to shoot civilians for protesting they should ignore those orders. It really is just that. And Hakeem Jeffries cant even bring himself to call for an impeachement
>>2567533>In fact, I did. I called the Colombia's embassy, and got into a list. So you're not part of Petro's proposal, you don't know how many people are there or what it's like to be in it, and you have saved zero people by shilling for China while they strengthen their ties with zionists while keeping Palestinians to their death. Got it.
>but I am not the one criticizing China for convenience and feel good about itNo, you're shilling for China because it's rebuilding Pissrael and feeling good about yourself. That's a lot worse than criticizing China for the same thing.
>>2567546
Do you guys think Xi will buy us drugs?
>>2567550Yes and he will give the earnings to Israel as a treat
>>2567533>In fact, I did. I called the Colombia's embassy, and got into a list.Based if true and I hope to fight alongside you on the battlefield if the time comes but until something actually happens this is just a pointless dick measuring contest online that won't lead us anywhere.
>but I am not the one criticizing China for convenience and feel good about itLol if anything being mildly critical of China (even when it comes to their biggest objective fuck ups like supporting Israel) is just asking to get relentlessly shitted on in this website. I don't feel good when I point out that the most powerful 'communist' party in the world and biggest threat to the NATOist order is happily engaging in imperialism and Zionist collaboration of their own, it fucking sucks actually, but at least someone here has to address the elephant in the room.
>>2567533>In fact, I did. I called the Colombia's embassy, and got into a list. based based based
>>2567544>So you're not part of Petro's proposalwhat part of I got into a list didn't you get, the in- or the -to-a-list?
that's literally what it takes. keep deflecting more.
>>2567556How many times must you be asked what deflection means before you answer? I answered you directly. You aren't in Petro's proposal. Your place on a list is pointless when you are not taking action. You brought up Petro's proposal to make yourself look above it all, but you have done nothing but shill for China being friends with Zionists. That's it.
>>2567553Not that anon but your the same retard who relentlessly shits on anyone criticizing the genocide of Native Americans by the USA. You are a genocide supporting hypocrite who won't go to bat for Native Americans but will pearl clutch about China and Israel. Shut the fuck up and put your money where your mouth is and denounce the USA and all of its works or gtfo.
>>2567563I genuinely have no fucking idea what you're talking about. I've never defended native American genocide ever.
>>2567567The USA is an engine of Native American genocide tardy it's existence and the genocide are intrinsically linked. And I have seen you shitting on Anti-Americans many times before so don't try to worm you way out of this one.
>>2567583did they forgot he suck bill clinton's wiener already?
>>2567553>happily engaging in imperialismWhere?
>>2567604in his imagination
>>2567542next they'll tell you that you would be antisemitic to
not have a swastika
>>2567583Nah, his FIB aren't just enablers and protectors of the international paedo ring, they're complicit in the top down stochastic terrorism, as well. Let them hang themselves. The hate that captivates the cult is an equal opportunity destroyer that can't keep the monsters from the I'd in check while they drowse, so maga's self destruction is inevitable.
>>2567617Monsters from the ID
Damn you, spell check auto correct.
Oh yeah…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tymWpEU8wpM >>2567583During today's press conference Karoline Leavitt said that Trump apparently didn't really mean that members of congress should be executed, but he'd be right to do so because any order from Trump is by definition constitutional and legal. So yeah they're absolutely gonna start arresting and killing people
>>2567494>Is Yemen imperialist and zionistNo. Next question
>the rest of the posta bunch of rhetoric. could have just asked your question
>>2567497My sibling in science, that is every day
>>2567583Night of the long fries imminent. By noon tomorrow the DNC will be totally wiped out
>>2567643
In theory yes, however our current administration is both really malicious and really stupid, and most of all they love theatrics. If they can hang Hakeem Jeffries for the crime of telling Trump to delete some tweets then they'll absolutely do it regardless of the consequences because they fully believe their own rhetoric
So I guess the glowies don't show the president an angle of the JFK assassination you've never seen.
>>2567665>People said this in 2016 and not a single Dem politician faced Trump's wrath. He didn't even Lock Her Up like he said he would. Instead he spent 4 years terrorizing poor people while Nancy Pelosi got richer.Truth Nuke
>>2567658>If they can hang Hakeem Jeffries for the crime of telling Trump to delete some tweets then they'll absolutely do it regardless of the consequences because they fully believe their own rhetoricHysteria nuke
>>2567643
Nobody will be prosecuted, this is just an extension of their emperor's anger being directed against a target that doesn't really exist. That doesn't mean tht won't get innocent bystanders killed, they've been doing that from the beginning. The parties may be worthless but the left has never been as monolithic as the right, so the fracturing may have some beneficial effects as regards foreign governments blackmailing our political class.
>>2567665
Because Trump surrounded himself with establishment picks who were perfectly fine with repeating the bluster in public but understood the necessity of keeping the uniparty intact in the long run. Now Trump has surrounded himself with utter sycophants and true believers who treat Trump as God's representative on earth. Odds are much higher this time around that funny shit happens to important people and frankly it might be what we need to get America sufficiently destabilized
>>2567567you are an american supremacist bro
honkoid status?
>>2567683>Mexican>yet American supremacistoh god it's one of those groypers
>>2567685I don't even know what you guys are flipping out at him about. I'm sure it is some retarded cracker nonsense.
>>2567695my shirt with this tweet on it has a lot of people asking questions already answered by the shirt
>>2567695notice that they did not xeet
>TRUMP DID NOT SLOB ON BILL CLINTONS COCK🤨🤨🤨
>>2567695what the fuck is happening
>>2567715it say Trump does not want to execute members of congress. can't you read? 😒
>>2567687Nonsense is the key word here. Far from being 'edgy' kids, the gropers exist to delegitimize any valid criticism of the 'greatest ally'.
>>2567695Heh, not quite a disclaimer. The violent rhetoric from the top down should escalate in proportion to their emperor's dementia induced disinhibition.
>>2567722also in cuba
it's horrible
america needs to stop this, for the free world
>>2567722not really imperialism but OK
>>2567675I think this level of delusion is only rivaled by that one anon who thinks that china has already reached communism
>>2567590news moves fast… ok?!
>>2567727what delusion is being put forward. it describes the 3 worldisms perfectly
>>2567725China is undoing the work of the western proletariat by building colonial infrastructure and investing heavily on israel but ok; why read even read the title an article while you have a foreign nation to shill?
>>2567673>>2567665only non-retarded /USApol/ posts of the day award
>>2567732>China is undoing the work of the western proletariatthe western proletariat did work? this is amazing news. unprecedented, even. you should tell /prc/ this.
>>2567728I dunno, I think "trump blowing bubba" is here to stay. Unless they reveal bubba's true identity the question remains.
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>>2567741>>2567739yeah it's here to stay, but only as a meme, like corn pop being a bad dude
>>2567748Cornpop was a made up story created to pander is some sort of passive aggressive way while appearing legit. Bubba is someone who got a throat hug from Donica with a few possible candidates, though I doubt it was the horse. His mouth is too small for horse meat.
>>2567732>China is undoing the work of the western proletariat by building colonial infrastructure [in israel]wait isn't that undoing the work of Iran, since they were the only ones actually destroying Israeli infrastructure?
>>2567767Heh, all politicians, with rare exception, are full of shit so I assumed it was made up. Since the alleged incident was prior to desegregation I have a hard time believing Joe was ever in close proximity to any minority.
>>2567772> Since the alleged incident was prior to desegregationit was in 69
>>2567779Do you believe his account of the infamous Cornpop stand down? Biden graduated hs in '61.
>>2567782Oh shit, I just looked up the years desegregation began in the north. In the south it took longer to sink in. They were having segregated proms and other activities well into the '80s.
>>2566968Searching for "zip ties near me" is insane.
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