>>2575339This was apparently the Kajas quote at the time, but I'm not watching that shit to confirm:
"In the last 100 years no country attacked Russia but Russia attacked 19 countries"
>>2575614>what countries did libya attackUSrael, how dare these libyan goyim try to free themselves (and the whole african continent) from the world bank
Thank God Stalin didn't trust the Lithuanians enough to give them Konigsberg.
>Putin: "Signing documents with the current Ukrainian leadership is pointless."
The based Putin double is back. He's not impressed with the US NABU ruse and is gonna force them to eliminate him.
>>2575465>1,700 GEL ($630)>proof>This is literally no different from what the West does in keeping Africa and Latin America underdeveloped so that Western monopolies can extract maximum profit while the exploited countries have no way to progress up the value chain and to build their own industry.tell me, are you into public humiliation? are you one those submissive people that go around wishing to be beaten, pissed on his face, and be spanked?
there's no other reason for you to post an article talking about a sale of $630 and write everything else.
get ready for the russian gen Z uprising!
Vanity Fair Russia’s Gen Z Uprising Might Accomplish What the West Can’t
A new generation of dissident artists is inspiring a wave of solidarity against Putin’s war—recalling the Soviet people who ultimately defeated the Soviet Union.
The most talked about story in Russia right now is the handful of young street musicians who recently escaped from the country after being targeted for daring to sing protest songs. It began in St. Petersburg with 18-year-old Diana Loginova, who performs under the name Naoko. Her videos—covers of anti-war songs by banned Russian artists that she performed on Nevsky Prospect—had gone viral in recent months. Then she was arrested.
On October 15, she was sentenced to 13 days in jail for an administrative offense. On October 28, she was re-arrested on the spot and sentenced to another 13 days; and on November 11, she was again arrested without ever being released and sentenced to 13 more days—a tactic known as “carousel arrests.” Her lawyers believed at the time that a criminal case might be opened against her. Alexandr Orlov the group’s guitarist, was also arrested three times, just like Loginova. Vladislav Leontyv, the drummer, was released after serving two consecutive jail terms.
In the police van, Orlov, the band’s guitarist, proposed to Loginova. He made a ring out of a napkin and offered it in an empty e-cigarette box. The couple told journalists about it before their court hearing on October 29. The story instantly went viral—a fleeting moment of tenderness amid fear and humiliation, with millions following online as if it were a fairy tale from another, freer world.
On November 24, after serving three consecutive jail terms, Loginova and Orlov left Russia in haste and, according to their lawyers, are now safe.
Their arrest and subsequent escape has ignited a wave of solidarity. Across Russia, young buskers have taken to the streets to perform songs in support of Loginova and Orlov. Some have reportedly also faced arrests. Despite the suffocating atmosphere of repression, this new underground movement reveals something unmistakable: Young Russians do not support Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine.
Today, we have almost no reliable data about what people living in Russia truly think about the war, about Putin, or about their own country. In a climate of fear, polling the public has become meaningless.
Consider the latest survey, published on September 30 by the Levada Center—Russia’s only independent polling agency, branded a “foreign agent” by the government in 2016. The poll asked a simple question across various fields: How proud are Russians of Russia?
The results are bizarre, and even more so when compared to data from the last 30 years. Seventy-eight percent say they are very proud of Russia’s history—a record high. In 1996, only 41% felt that way. Sixty-four percent now express a lot of pride in Russia’s sporting achievements—a paradox, since Russian athletes were banned from nearly all international competitions following the country’s invasion of Ukraine (and when they do compete, it’s as “neutral athletes”). So they are proud, or pretend to be proud, of something that has become theoretical. In 2012, when Russians were still competing in events like the Olympics under the Russian flag, only 29% said they were very proud.
Thirty-five percent say they are very proud of the state of the Russian economy—five times higher than in 2012, when the economy was objectively stronger. And most astonishing of all, a record 24% claim to be very proud of “the state of democracy in Russia.” In 1996, when there were still free elections, that number was just 3%.
There’s only one way to read this data. Russians are lying out of fear. They tell pollsters the opposite of what they really think, because they know what could happen if they told the truth.
This phenomenon is hardly new. In the Soviet Union, it even had a name: “inner emigration.” The atmosphere in Russia today increasingly resembles that of the late Soviet years, when art and music became the last refuge for protest. Late-Soviet citizens no longer believed in state propaganda. They felt trapped, convinced that life was a dead end. So they pretended the state didn’t exist—that they could ignore it completely and live small, private lives of their own. That’s why they called it “inner emigration”: Unable to leave the Soviet Union, they withdrew into themselves, creating imaginary worlds to which only close friends were admitted.
That illusion of nonparticipation became the essence of Soviet survival. Yet it was precisely these Soviet people—not Western intelligence agencies, not NATO, not any mythical foreign plot—who eventually brought down the communist empire.
Even today, none of this inner life is visible from the outside. To the West, Russia still appears monolithic, united behind Putin’s war. But that perception of the region is not new. The West once saw the Soviet Union the same way: a gray, unified empire of obedience. In reality, it was not. The country had been hollowed out on the inside, but that’s where its people were quietly creating another, hidden world.
In 1984, an American named Joanna Stingray came to Leningrad and stumbled upon a vast underground rock scene. Beneath the Soviet façade of slogans and parades, there was another city—alive, defiant, and full of guitars, tape recorders, and forbidden songs. People who seemed passive were, in fact, building a secret republic of freedom. A couple of years later, she produced the first officially released album featuring underground Russian musicians—the record Red Wave, which also came out in the West—sparking a cultural revolution in Russia that brought rock musicians out of the shadows.
Now history is repeating itself. Today’s Russia, again, tries to appear solid and unanimous, but beneath its dead surface, a new, unofficial life is emerging—street singers, poets, comedians, and artists like Naoko from St. Petersburg. This new underground has no ideology, no manifesto. It is not political in the usual sense; it is simply human. Its only demand is the right to stay alive, to speak in one’s own voice.
Naoko’s arrest has triggered an explosion of outrage on Russian TikTok and a wave of small but visible protests across the country: solitary pickets, street concerts, and handmade posters taped to walls in every major city. More and more musicians are being detained for performing unauthorized songs in support of Naoko and her fellow Stoptime members. It is far too early to call this a Gen Z revolution, but their activism is proof that young Russians are not brainwashed. They do not support the war. They do not support Putin.
This is a new underground culture—one that few people even realize exists. In 2022, after its army invaded Ukraine, Russia experienced a mass exodus of its most active citizens. Thousands of journalists, scholars, artists, musicians, and comedians—many of the country’s best-known public voices—fled. According to reports, between 800,000 and 1.3 million people left during 2022 alone. The most popular Russian rock and rap artists now live abroad, where they continue to release new music. Within Russia, it is precisely this exiled culture that is the most relevant. For the nation’s youth, the real Russia now lives outside the country’s borders.
Those who rule Russia today are the last Soviet generation. They grew up during stagnation, when everything was already decided and every door was closed. They believed their lives were a dead end, that they would never achieve anything because the older generation clung to power and refused to let it go. They never believed in communism, but they learned cynicism early.
Now that they have finally seized power, they are determined never to relinquish it. More than that, they are obsessed with avoiding their predecessors’ mistakes. They wage war not only on dissidents but on ordinary people who live in a state of “inner emigration.” They remember what destroyed their grandfathers’ empire—not Western pressure, not dissidents, but the Russian people themselves, who one day decided they simply wanted freedom, wanted music, wanted to live. They were the ones who played protest songs on their guitars: Viktor Tsoi, Boris Grebenshchikov, the same underground stars whom Joanna Stingray met in 1984. They were not overtly political, yet their music created the emotional climate that nurtured a freer and more defiant generation of Soviet citizens.
That is why today’s rulers are not only at war with their opponents, but with freedom itself—with that inner independence that once doomed the Soviet Union. They are fighting not only against enemies abroad, but against life inside their own country.
Oppression cannot be overturned from the outside. The West cannot defeat Putinism. Only Russian society can do that, just as the Soviet people once defeated the Soviet Union by ceasing to believe in it.
But the West can still help. Similar to during the Cold War, the West can help those brave Russians who challenge tyranny. In the 1970s and 1980s, the West fought for dissidents’ freedom, exchanged them for Soviet spies, and made their names known. Today, there are new dissidents (some are dying in prison) being punished not for their actions but for their words, even for their social-media posts. Among them: the 17-year-old student Arseny Turbin, who has already spent two years behind bars; the street saxophonist from Samara, Alexei Shabanov; the 69-year-old Moscow doctor, Nadezhda Buyanova; the theater director Zhenya Berkovich; and the playwright Svetlana Petriychuk. I am deeply afraid that the 18-year-old singer Naoko and her fellow musicians may soon join their ranks.
At the very least, the West must know about them, must remember their names, must fight for their freedom—no less than it fights for hostages taken elsewhere in the world. Because these people are hostages too. And the history of how the Soviet people once defeated the Soviet Union proves that such heroes must never be forgotten—because when remembered, new ones will always rise to follow their example.
>>2575662>There’s only one way to read this data. Russians are lying out of fear. They tell pollsters the opposite of what they really thinkhilarious. of course americans know better what you
really think, vatnik
the gears of neoliberalism must be greased in blood and guts
>>2575666
Maybe let Ukrainians decide if they want to fight or not. Its their home being invaded.
>>2575684>70% of Ukrainians accept the territorial losses if ceasefireThe peace deal is not about territory but having security guarantees that prevents Russia from using the peace document as toilet paper and invading again.
>Massive desertionNaturally as forced conscripts have low morale and harsher measures would look really bad to NATO allies. .
>18-25 yo all fleeing to Western Europe or RussiaThey have every right to as they exampted from service due to young age.
>Abandon Hulaipole to hide behind 3 billion dollar cope lineCan someone translate this?
>>2575687
Its Ukrainian nationalism versus Greater Russia empire building. Both suck ass so a peace deal that guarantees peace would be nice. This war was completely unnecessary but Putin had to huff his own propaganda about Russia military stronk.
This war can best be described as two retards fighting. Except in this instance, Ukraine is not to be considered a independent belligerent, because their country is essentially owned by American private industry now. It's a proxy war. An imperialist proxy war that the left is only meagrely critically in support of simply because the collapse of the "Ukrainian" government may mean the liberation of the oppressed trade unions and political opposition and that the war will further put the clamp on the ever-desperate western states who are in a severe need of resources because their domestic industries are kaput.
>>2575676what part of
until the last ukrainian aren't you getting?
the
un-, the
-ian or anything in between? it's not up to ukrainians to decide their fate, as it was proven by Minks I, II, and Istanbul accords. it's up to those who want to get
until the last ukrainian killed, like lindsey graham.
>>2575692>but having security guarantees that prevents Russia from using the peace document as toilet paper and invading again.reminder that Minsk I and II, Ukraine and the EU were the guarantors of the document. not Russia.
Russia never had any role or whatsoever in "guaranteeing" anything.
I don't see any end to this war that isn't simply just the west having a slightly more beaten up economy and a more aggravated mindset by its capitalist leadership.
>>2575721Zelensky was the pro-Russia candidate but this never mattered for cucktin. His long term goal was to rebuild Russian empire to restore past glory or some other reactionary bullshit. Crimea elections were held at gunpoint. Donbas was occupied GRU special units that held fake elections. Completely artificial conflict with the aim to restore Russian empire.
>>2575728Russia hasn't banned its trade unions. In fact, despite the clear imperialism of Russia, the protection of trade unions is enshrined in Russias constitution.
>>2575729>Russia, the protection of trade unions is enshrined in Russias constitution.Most countries in Europe have strong unions. Having some feint socdem bullshit going on in Russia doesnt make it any less liberal/imperialist. /pol/ thinks Russia is the saviour of white race. /Leftypol/ thinks russia is the saviour of communism. Both are completely wrong.
>>2575732>Yes but Ukraine has banned its trade unions and all of its socialist parties.What did you expect from a liberal country under martial law that is under full invasion? Russia only keeps communist party around as controlled opposition that is ridiculed by their government. It has more to do with traditions than socialism as Russian people still miss USSR.
>>2575740We have three communist parties and numerous politicians on local levels. Our hard liners would make Pol Pot posters here blush and frequently visit DPRK. But yeah East Europe bans gommunism and is literally nazis.
>>2575727The poster is not wrong about Zelensky being the pro-Russia candidate, and I think it was sincere at first. What the poster leaves out is that after getting a talking-to from Azov, Zelensky decided that the path of least resistance was in forgetting about campaign promises and getting a slice of the returns from the country's corruption schemes.
>>2575755>path of least resistance was in forgetting about campaign promises and getting a slice of the returns from the country's corruption schemes.He truly chose the easy way out with this war. He should have just signed Minsk III and IV and maybe even Minsk V and we wouldnt have this war lmfao.
Also is it wrong to use azov as cannon fodder? Would you have truce with nazis if your country was invaded by a foreign imperialist power?
>>2575762
Consider he sent these men to die after this.
>>2575760It became too difficult to maintain the position after Israel's actions. I believe FIDE (chess) may still be trying to thread the needle, though.
>>2575760Its a sign that western powers are ready to negotiate and let Russians enter different institutions so there can be a dialog. Trumps cuckoldry can also not be underestimated.
Closely related to this subject is that Jared Kushner tried to include a "christian alliance against China" in the the original 28 part plan which Russians were smart enough to dismiss outright. While not a big fan of Russia I have loyalty towards socialist states like PRC and DPRK.