cum in the name of piss
>nothing happened
its over, back to the cold trenches.
>>257592511 more years tovarish.
>>2575929
funny how ben is both on the right track and is openly acknowledging the point of the war is looting a strategic european region simultaneously.
>>2575937Rare earth materials matter less than NATO nuclear missiles deployed in Ukraine.
>>2575938>Rare earth materials matter less than NATO nuclear missilesNonsense. America is obsessed with gaining more regions with rare earths. Europeans are obsessed with its natural gas. Both are obsessed with buying up shit tons of land for private industry.
>>2575939Wait, that's not Italian. Vichy was talking shit, too?
>>2575944There were lots of Free French in the Italian Campaign, I guess.
>>2575662I felt cringe when reading this. The association for these kinds of sentiments among gen z is old people, which would be bad enough because everything associated with old people is uncool, but it's also that the association is poor and self-centered people.
But it is true that sociological data is a bitch, especially about political or other emotional topics. It's important to only be as certain as sources allow. As such, one can only say that western regime change has failed when they tried it in 2022.
>>2575959>lol kill yourself don't surrenderyeah nobody except the most extreme neolib would ever believe this
>>2575970You are just going to be tortured if surrounder or killed. You don't need to believe this there is endless video proof of Russians blowing their heads off.
>>2575983That doesn't mean the government is officially telling them to blow their heads off, you idiot.
>>2575983And none of that proofs that "manual" is real. People I have seen blowing their brains out have been either those who were badly wounded far away from help and were likely dead anyway. Other group has been PTSD cases and mainly Ukrainian mobniks in the trenches.
>>2576007How does Trump manage to bomb Yemen, bomb Iran, currently planning to invade Venezuela and
still be too peaceful for libs?
The peace candidate, but unironically. Libs are all sorts of scratched right now.
>I hate the US government but I would NEVER EVER appose their financial world order.
>>2576021russia gate broke their brains.
>>2576032>love this bus>but hate the driver>want a better oneYour eyes are opening for the first time to what it means to be a fake opposition. In a way, liberal ""opposition"" to Trump is the ultimate expression of love for the world order the US leads.
>>2576007junglegang, did we win?
>>2575983Even the Ukrops admit evacuation of wounded to the rear for basic medical treatment takes at least a day. There is plenty of accounts of it taking up to a week.
So yeah plenty of guys that catch a gut wound or similar are just going to roll to their rifle and blow out their brains like a soldier.
>>2575959nafotards are still trying to push obviously fugazi crap?
meanwhile ukr units are abandoning positions without orders and getting articles like this lmao
>>2576186
thats what images look like after it goes through yandex translator
>>2575959So, how was this A4 letter sized piece of paper carried? Looks like it was scrunched up into a ball instead of being folded to be carried in a pocket.
>>2576202Ukraine has been warned of imminent defeat and collapsing frontline for more than year now.
Just what the fuck happened in Vietnam?
>>2575932Show graveyard satellite images. That's where Ukraine is advancing against Russia
>>2576295
And who's winning the war? What do you think?
Naked social chauvinism itt. Then again,
> this is /ISG/ for people who treats geopolitics like shitty map games
You know, I thought when they'd return to the thread they'd have a new narrative for why ackshually Russia advancing at a quickening pace is bullish for Ukraine, but they're all over the place.
Was the oil refinery drone strikes the final PR peremoga? Are we condemned to
>I've seen Russian soldiers committing suicide lol
for the rest of the conflict? Doomed to experience the "Ukraine will obviously lose, but Russians dying gives me butterflies" cope of early 2022 for next 2 weeks, 6 months, X years?
Why portray putin as monkey?
>>2576317
What property?
>>2576317
>muh economics
>muh imperialism
Really?
>>2576202>nafotards are still trying to push obviously fugazi crap?Yeah because claims like this and the one about an old woman taking out a Russian jet with a jar of pickles, or Putin having a panic attack, falling down the stairs and shitting himself or something are not intended to inform people of "correct" information about the conflict, it's a loyalty test.
The exact same insufferable people who compare everything to Orwellian doublethink no doubt gleefully propagate these kinds of claims, if for no other reason than it feels "righteously unfair" towards Russia to buy such obviously dumb claims at face value. Like this is the playground and we're bullying the speccy kid by believing any ridiculous and unevidenced claims made about them.
>>2576317
>acquire property that was literally yours 40 years ago.
<The US got 80% of Ukraine
Meanwhile, China will own 100% of Taiwan without firing a shot
>>2576317
>The US got 80% of Ukraine
What do you mean by "got", because I think
>The US expended 80% of Ukraine
is a lot closer to the truth.
This is an interimperialist conflict thoughbeit
>>2576317
What it looks like, is that Russia battering ram'ming down the Westoid world order, taking over land protected by NATO, EU, USA, and Westoids CAN'T DO ANYTHING but whine, cry, seethe, cope, to make it stop. They cannot defend their own gains, despite the fact that they very much want to defend it to the last man.
Hell, right now, US recrooters are talking to Filippinos to hire them as mercs to save their beloved Ukraine. Westoid hegemony situation is so hilariously dire that they have to cope about losing 100 people large villages by lying about how "AKSHUALLY, RUSSIA DIDN't TAKE IT, BECAUSE UKRAINIANS HAVE PLANTED A FLAG THERE!!1"
Westoids are shitting and farting themselves, trying to valiantly defend their 50% of world GDP (and a favorite fascist child) against 2% of world GDP. Shit's looking really bad from the outside, lol
>>2576336Or better put, Russia says to the West: "you cannot have Ukraine. You will get out of Ukraine, and I will take it". And despite the might of 50% of world GDP, they can only postpone the inevitable, but cannot prevent it.
>>2576315Westerner seethe. But just like trying to insult someone currently stomping a mudhole in your ass, it doesn't work.
>>2576342>and I will take itI don't think this is even it, NATO expansionism is (partially) about expanding the pool of expendable people for a potential conflict with Russia. Ukraine was willing to expend itself in a conflict with Russia
in order to join NATO to be expendable in the future which is completely ass-backwards and the yanks say and the reason why it is joever for them in the long run.
Why would NATO buy the cow when they got the milk for free? The US has never "taken" any place in the world to provide it with the American dream. They don't have some burning ideological desire to see Ukraine rise from the ruins of the USSR and up into the standard of living seen only in 1980s Christmas movies, that would make this a quasi-colonial "inter-imperial conflict and naughty from both sides but lets face it, better the US than Russia" situation as so many clearly wish it were.
The other anon from earlier needs to confront the fact that "taking land without Russian consent", is not what the US is doing. Perhaps that would be the case if Ukraine was a bit more frigid and demanded NATO put a ring on it before militarising, but as it stands they opened their legs without commitment and now Xitter are up in arms because that jerk Washington DC didn't call much less make an honest Democracy out of Ukraine.
>>2576347Russia has nukes. What does manpower matter?
<ATTENTION: spectacle anons
The Western-spook-aligned NABU has just raided Yermark's office after he said Ukraine refuses to give up any territory. Zelensky's efforts to protect him by giving him a lead negotiation role have FAILED.
>@Tatarigami_UA
>Breaking: The Ukrainian outlet Ukrainska Pravda reports that NABU and SAP are conducting searches targeting Presidential Office head Andriy Yermak in the government district on the morning of 28 November
>Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau has confirmed on its Facebook page that it is conducting authorized searches involving the head of the Presidential Office, saying the actions are part of an active investigation
This is a developing JUICY FUCKING STORY!! (!!!!!) !!
Bad day for "anti-imperialist" Banderite posters just as they thought they were in the clear and could crank up the raiding again… they got raided themselves !! ! !!=
The French just reintroduced a limited degree of conscription.
>>2576344
>w-we didn't want it anyway!
Who cares about "single soldier" when no action taken by the Westoids can save Ukraine? What, are you going to cope about the lost war by claiming that if USA really wanted to, they could had won? could they though?
>>2576352>NABU has just raided Yermark's office after he said Ukraine refuses to give up any territory3 is a pattern, not 1.
And I'd like to see what their plan is to deal with SBU.
>>2576353It will take at the very least 10 years of militarization Nazi style to get to a position where they can pose a threat to anybody.
>>2576295
This is an attrition war and Ukraine is running out of infantry. The frontline will continue to move like a snail, but will gain more and more momentum as the Ukrainians lose the ability to fight, until finally the Russians overrun the Ukrainian lines like a bursting dam.
Typically large-scale wars end up with some kind of concessions for the working class at the end of it. Think of Britain post-war where most people desired throughout WWII for the end to result in some form of socialism (what they got was a watered down version but still). This war will end without a single concession for the Ukrainians. At most Zelensky will be replaced by another neoliberal who will do nothing to change Zelenskys austerity and anti-unionist """"war measures"""".
>putin is a cuck
Dont field commanders have a right to use tactical nukes based on their own discretion?
>>2576362Personally, I don't want to die.
Like the one piece of leverage Ukraine actually had with NATO is not just access to the Black Sea but access right next door to Russian naval bases. However, they're proudly boasting about neutralising the Russian Black Sea fleet during this conflict, as though that didn't massively reduce their leverage with NATO in exchange for very little impact on the conflict itself.
>>2576351No declassified military plans for war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact envisions ending the world in a single day by firing all the nukes, they all start with the presumption of nuclear exchanges being limited (funnily enough to states that don't possess their own nukes) and the bulk of the fighting to still be conventional.
So the oh-fuck scenario is WW3 has potentially started, but it's cool because only Italy and Denmark got nuked and the Russians got bogged down fighting through an ocean of cannon fodder in Ukraine. The oh-fuck-YES! scenario is that happening but without Italy and Denmark getting nuked.
>>2576361>Ukraine gets its demographics and economy obliterated>this will not result in social upheavalPack it up, boys. Historical materialism has been cancelled.
>>2576365Strategic nukes sure. But whats stopping commanders from using tactical nukes?
>>2576366Have you heard of this country called Germany? Did you know that the half occupied by the western allies did not turn socialist?
>>2576367What do you mean? In Ukraine now?
>>2576357SBU has been neutered in this.
NABU is some joint CIA/MI6 outfit.
Their goals aren't clear, but they've been releasing Zaluzhny puff pieces in British state media for months.
>>2576370I'm still not really getting what your point is. If it's
>just nuke all the cannon fodderthen the issue is that all the cannon fodder will be stationed in places you'd ideally want to capture, again a bit like now when Ukraine refuses to retreat from its settlement-fortresses until they're reduced to rubble and then laughs at about
>nice ruins bro! Tactically worthless! >>2576371 (me)
Wait, did I get Lord Chudjak'd?
>>2576373You say nato is collecting manpower against russia. I am asking whats stopping russian commanders from using tactical nukes on invading attacking forces.
>>2576376..I've just told you.
Note to self: do not allow leftypol anons any position of military power. (We would all be charred skeletons)
>>2576375They've had months to murder the NABU squad since Zelensky found out what they were investigating, tho.
>>2576378But russia is on the defensive in this scenario? You are saying russia will not be the ones attacking. Whats stopping russia from using tactical nukes? What is the existential threat to russian state?
>>2576381Invasions can be defensive, like the one this thread covers, for example.
>>2576379You think one of the sides would begin MAD over russia using tactical nuke on frontline battlefield?
>>2576380"They haven't done it, yet" isn't proof they can't. Zelensky had personal guards with Nazi symbols for a reason. Literally the Praetorian Guard.
>>2576382Russia is not invading. It is restoring its own constifutional territorial integrity. According to their constitution.
>>2576344
What are the poles going to do? They are going to sit and watch as Russia takes Ukraine, and along with it the military reputation of the West and the majority of the world’s wheat, and they are going to do nothing. Why?
Because though people like to say Ukraine is weak compared to EU states because they don’t have the most advanced western equipment, what they do have is the quantity of equipment and munitions to actually fight a prolonged war and experienced troops who can hold the line against Russian assaults. On the other hand, EU states lack artillery shells, they lack drone warfare capability, they lack troops experienced in modern warfare, all of their soldiers are green compared to the Russian and Ukrainian army rn. If they had to deal with 500 geran drones and dozens of missile strikes every night, thousands of infantry casualties a day from drones as they struggle to hold a wide frontline, and the expenditure of millions of drones and shells, they wouldn’t even last as long as Ukraine has.
>>2576382Okay. Still what is the point of nato collecting all the manpower of russian can use tactical nuke or threaten MAD?
>>2576386You see that you're trying to change the topic, right?
>>2576388I've already told you.
go play HOI4 for half an hour and calm down a little
>>2576389i am failing to see your logic of nato collecting manpower to attack russia when russia has nukes
>>2576392Well I'm sorry that you don't understand the logic, but it's not my logic, I haven't invented it.
>>2576373What russia is capturing that it doesnt see as its own territory constitutionally?
>>2576395Again, you're changing the topic from a military one to a political one.
>>2576384I'd consider the SBU-assassination concern legitimate if NABU were a bunch of renegade Ukro idealists dedicating their lives to muh law & order, but it's an Atlantic glowie entity that the Ukro nationalists have been whining about for years. If it weren't an Atlantic glowie entity, it would have bigger concerns than the SBU. The Brits and Americans would move to eliminate it too.
>>2576399That's the only thing keeping them alive
so far. If it becomes clear they're trying to force Ukraine into peace, it's over. You can't expect fanatics to act reasonably.
>>2576400The big tell for me is that when Zelensky tried to shut it down back in July (June?), calling it a Russian-aligned entity, the glowies in America and Europe and their media mouthpieces didn't play along. It would have been easy for them to Putinize the entity out of existence as they do with everything else. My read is that NABU does only what the Western glowies are happy with it doing.
This is merely an interimperialist brigandry. Even when kursk was invaded russian military response was measured. Because they knew they were under no existential threat. This is just a measured sporty duel with unspoken rules between imperialists. Because the cause of war is capitalism.
>>2576406It's inter-imperialist rivalry. The "healthy competition" has turned into devouring each other to keep strategic resources under a certain teams possession. Remember when Biden tried to divert natural gas supply from Russia to cargo ships crossing the Atlantic? Even the Europeans couldn't accept that level of extortion. They all hate each other now and are suspicious of each other.
Assuming this isn't some mop-up op to clean the reputations of Zelensky and Yermak, Zelensky made the high-risk gamble that if he "protected" all known corruption targets by solidifying their important roles, the Westoids would back off on the corruption probes and not want to disrupt the war effort. If the Westoids don't give two fucks and go ahead anyway, as it seems they could be doing, then Zelensky's position in doubling down on his associates becomes much more politically perilous.
these nafos and trots have convinced me. ukraine is doing great. they shouldn't concede anything and keep fighting until the end.
millions and billions and zillions and dillions must die (for lithium and western microchip production)
I think the most cringe thing to come out of this conflict is the fact that slacktivism is usually harmless (as harmless as inaction gets anyway) and people get to do the whole “raising a rebel fist” thing online while feeling like good people for raising awareness about Kony, but this time around they’re raising a rebellious fist while claiming on the behalf of Ukrainians that they’d rather be exterminated than submit and actively arguing with Ukrainians who disagree with that assertion.
Will the penny drop for them one day and understand that wasn’t a good thing to do, they’re not good people to have spent years convincing themselves and others that Ukraine will eat anything and ask for seconds? Handwaving every indication that the conflict is ruinous for Ukrainians because English-speaking-Ukrainian-military accounts online tell them Ukrainians are glad to fight they just need a bus ride to the recruitment centre?
I sometimes wonder if Russia was more like Venezuela, Syria or Palestine if the "both-sidists" and interimperialist-war types would support Russia. If it were actually weak and crumbling undedr sanctions and military pressure, officials and soldiers jumping ship, and bound to lose and to be balkanized by US and European militaries and oil and mining companies, like the brussels ghouls drooled in 2022. Then the radlib menace would see a another hopeless cause bound to martyrdom under boot of western imperialism, then they would support Russia. But it isn't doing that, because it has strength to fight back it makes things messy and therefore Russia is not pure or worth their support or impotent prayers and that makes it "interimperialist war".
Or maybe it's this "Russia shot first" fallacy. Where despite Ukraine being openly a nazi state and a death cult wrapped together. you can still say that the not just the people, but the political entity of Ukraine is somehow a victim in all of this by being attacked and therefore right in whatever it's cause is. You can't maybe openly support Ukraine, but you can still say that maybe they aren't that bad, and the people drumming up support for Ukraine in the west might be ok people.
>>2576427They 100% would. In fact, they
did, and why that Lithuanian piece of shit no longer posts here.
>>2576427ICP consider those interimperialist conflicts
>>2576427>I sometimes wonder if Russia was more like Venezuela, Syria or Palestine if the "both-sidists" and interimperialist-war types would support Russia.if Trump attacks Venezuela they'll be cheering because muh Russia/China ally, and muh not real communists. They want the US empire to reassert unipolarity, and for no one to meaningfully resist it unless they are a properly "communist" force, as defined by the both-sider communist purity test (which no force capable of meaningful resistance would ever pass).
If you're not le proper communist you could be supported but you have to not be an important ally of the improper not-communists (Russia/China) and also be weak and getting btfo (like Gaza). If you're strong and can fight the imperialists, you're an imperialist and should be opposed.
>>2576448No this is the general where we watch two imperialist powers kill each other because of the falling rate of profit.
>>2576449Those being the US and EU. Former cannibalising the latter.
>>2576449>kill each other Funny way of spelling workers
>>2576450Think bigger. This isn't just Europe. This extends to America cannibalising whats left of the industrialised western-alligned states. Look at Japan and South Korea.
>>2576387>Because though people like to say Ukraine is weak compared to EU states because they don’t have the most advanced western equipment, what they do have is the quantity of equipment and munitions to actually fight a prolonged war and experienced troops who can hold the line against Russian assaults.Former USSR/Soviet satellite states were effectively demilitarized by this war,. with queues for replacement weaponry stretching into the future decades. They've given Ukraine all they could give. Remember: NATO was the largest user of many Soviet-derived military systems.
And for the Western part of NATO, to supply Ukraine, Britain had to use up their own STANDING ARMY'S VEHICLES. IIRC France did the same, Germany maybe. Ukraine was begging Turkey and Greece to give up theirs standing army arsenals, too. South Korea "donated" many of it's artillery systems, and Taiwan got it's Patriot systems relocated to Ukraine. Israel's war against Palestine prevented Ukraine from receiving Israeli weapons, too.
So, in short, there is NO guarantee that Ukraine IS NOT the strongest "NATO" country (except for USA). And they are still losing
>>2576386>constifutional territorial integrityLib
>>2576427Nah. Russia and China are or have been superpowers within living memory and thus cannot be viewed through that kind of “christcuck” noble victim mentality.
I believe this to be true because there’s a lot of sympathies for Cuba with its often presented scenes of a decaying paradise for the American wealthy circa 1950, but very little sympathy for the DPRK whose scenes of massive development are controlled but ought to be categorically impossible for a Communist state under such heavy sanctions with no resemblance to anything considered familiar to westerns old or new.
Western libs and anti-campists have a saviour complex, something neither Russia nor China could play into.
This is le interimperialist conflict
>>2576485When is Putin judo chopping Zelensky's head off?
>>2576482This is a national liberation struggle of a russian peoples supported by China.
>>2576490>national liberationYou can only extend this to the Donetsk separatists. You and I both know that western Ukraine will not be subjugated or have a regime change of any kind. The left opposition will still be banned. Fascists will still have influence in government and the mechanisms of state, include the military. Russia desires to expand its military and strategic influence. Ukrainian porkies desire to eliminate any and all resistance to the continued looting of its assets for profit. It's as simple as that.
>>2576478DPRK is a fantasy dystopia land, where anything wild and insane can happen. For Russia, it is less so, but was the same when USSR was around. China was fine, say, 10 years ago, they didn't invent nonsense crap about China back then, but now Americans believe in mass repressions and millions large Uyghur work camps.
>>2576492There is nothing to loot in Western Ukraine; everything that Western Ukraine had, was already destroyed and "eurointegrated". Europe has a very strict set of rules for it's territories, so that the more East you go, the worse economy should be. Therefore, Western Ukraine should be even more agrarian than Poland.
Tbh with the primary pain point in my experience for anti-campists/anti-“third worldists” is seemingly paying rent and the idea that outside the west, renting is less of an issue. I’ve no doubt they’re hostile towards states like China and the DPRK (maybe Russia as well if you see some of the nicer cities) is that they associate development with doing the exact same shit everyone in the west does, it’s still working all day for the man just to earn a lease on an apartment.
Perhaps it’s therefore not a saviour complex, perhaps they look at Cuba or Ukraine or wherever and subconsciously think
>Clearly that’s a place where no one forces you to work!
And romanticise living for free (relative to western expenses) in a crumbling shack or half abandoned Khrushchevka as sovlful.
>>2576503Incoherent rambling
Both sides AREN'T bad
There are good guys and bad guys just like in my Marvels!
>>2576505wars have to fit some kind of overarching crusade between evil and good because I can't think materialistically
>>2576503I think it's much simpler than that, Cuba is the most "socially acceptable" AES to support because it's warm, soft, has a laid-back liberal vibe and also Che Guevara shirts, while the DPRK and the USSR are cold scary and totalitarian.
>>2576510Perhaps but you’ve still got the state-mandated narrative that Cuba and the DPRK are the way they are because cold, authoritarian, communism doesn’t work despite “the way they are” being substantially different.
There has to be a reason why they look at the DPRK and think “urgh” but look at Cuba and think “yeah” beyond guerilla revolutionaries being cool (otherwise where are the Kim Il-Sung t-shirts?)
Quite likely it’s down to aesthetics, but western leftism skews towards anarchism and the primary lib criticism of capitalism is that working is causing them to “die on the inside”. If people are simply just tired of working and feel oppression to be having to wear a corporate branded shirt and being spoken to like a cunt simply to afford rent, then I get it that you might look at the
>Comrades! Let’s defeat the scourge of sloth and conquer development by all working super hard!messaging common historically to China, DPRK and USSR and think
<Yuck, more work is exactly what I don’t want right nowBut maturity is considering that with the correct historical framing and supporting work that actually develops stuff, rather than just wanting cheap living costs and therefore little obligation to work. It’s just not believable that people in the USSR or DPRK work less hard than capitalism’s renters, or that in China workers are also benefiting from development they’re building instead of solely the billionaires and I suspect that’s the problem.
>>2576518>western leftismEven the ultroid bordiggers?
>>2576519All of them, the dream in the west generally is to only work for as long as you want to work including not at all, if you’re a rightoid then it’s by having the capital to earn the authority to dictate work for others, if you’re a leftist then it’s outlawing any authority that could potentially coerce you to work against your will.
NAFO bro, NAFO bro, why you so sad?
NAFO bro, NAFO bro, does Zelenskyyy's corruption make you mad?
NAFO bro, NAFO bro, have you been had?
NAFO bro, NAFO bro, corruption is bad.
>>2576489>When is Putin judo chopping Zelensky's head off?Never. Judo is a grappling art. Judo lines that include striking are pretty rare.
>>2576528Steven Seagal disagrees
>>2576531You might be thinking of aikido.
Must be concerning for American top brass that they no longer have anything to bring Russia on the negotiating table. Their economic power cannot stranglehold anyone anymore because of choinah.
>>2576536I'm unironically with Garik Weinstein and cereal man Kellogg on this. Just give Ukraine anything it wants, including Tomahawks, Tauruses, NATO membership, tactical nukes, whatever.
>>2576539>give ukraine shit tons of high tech weaponry we haven't the manufacturing capacity to replacethe US Military knows it cannot afford that, no matter how tough they want to seem to be.
What are good slurs for ukranians? They sold me a bad car
>>2576541Doesn't matter. Give 'em what's in stock. The situation is dire for Ukraine, but there's more of a chance that Putin will buckle at the knees than there is of Ukraine winning an attrition war.
>>2576543just call them russians
As Garik Weinstein knows from his chess career, sometimes when you're under pressure and desperate, the best approach is to play the man and not the board. If you know the man to be a rather timid player in sharp positions, may as well walk him into one instead of assuming he's going to have the sharpness and decisiveness of a Tal or Nezhmetdinov.
Are neolibs still coping about how Russia is 100% losing and relies on volkssturm units, old men and North Koreans with "rotten ammunition" still? Or have they finally accepted that against their expectations the country that has been sanctioned by every western aligned nation and has been offered numerous peace treaties is still determined to secure its military aims and still has more than half of its armored reserves left to use?
>>2576556>muh sanctionsWont stop porkies from trading with each other
>>2576556>are neoliberals doing xI don't know you have to ask Putin and his neolib regime
>>2576559>russia>neoliberalHoly shit!
>>2576317
>you are still losing
I dont think putin post here
>get some remnants back
the war is more about ukraine neutrality than land, and Im not emotionally invested in the current russian state anyway, I am emotionally invested in seeing nato loosing and nazis getting blown up
>Europe is even more on the leash for the US, they literally pay double prices for everything so that they don't buy for Russia.
accelerating intra imperialists contradiction
>a clown like putin is sending more and more people to the meatgrinder
the clown zelenski and his western supporters are as responsible for this, even more Id say because its not like they have a rational position and they refused all serious peace talks
>is happy
again, Im happy seeing nato loosing and nazis getting blown up, not about the war on the whole which is obviously bad for the civilians. But if nato can get a bloody nose as a reward for destabilizing countries and fomenting wars, this is welcome
>>2576574>>2576576Zelensky and Yermak have just refused territorial concessions.
>>2576597Guess the global south can die.
>>2576597>You won’t accept the west as the world’s saviour?<Well then you deserve everything the west is already doing to you AND MORE!At this rate the era of ChampSoc’s reign of terror and political imprisonments is going to be measured in how many people
didn’t go to the gulag.
>>2576593Will EU airports now have to start grounding flights whenever a pigeon is spotted nearby?
>>2576597As we all know Ukraine stood in solidarity with the global South multiple times before right now.
Whenever liberals don't get their way they show their true colours as western-supremacists who believe in neo-colonialism.
>>2576317
>literally yours 40 years ago
no, it wasn't. Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was its own state, and the territories within were never Russia's (or Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic), keep coping.
>>2576628not the best Lenin moment tbh
>>2576633sizeable if factual
>>2576606as in, when they sent soldiers to Iraq? or when they voted 'abstain' when the UNGA vote to lift Cuba's embargo, waaay before those reports about Cuban troops going to Ukraine to support Russia's.
>>2576352funny story ending: yermak ends up in Israel as mindich and his goons ended.
>>2576593Putin is weaponing insert thing/animal/feeling or whatever here is never old.
>>2576352>>2576642Washington
does really want zelya to sign the peace document, huh.
>>2576643I confess I'm a follower of Christcucks With Attitude, Roiden, and Lord Chud too.
>>2576647Gotta respect the hustle. Zelensky is already trying to frame it as his own idea "for the good of Ukraine" lmao.
Either Zelensky is involved himself or he's so inept as a leader that his closest guys run corruption schemes right in front of him. I don't see how he's can survive this, but he's a political cockroach.
>>2576656Hard to say. There was some leak about a November 27 deadline for Zelensky to sign Trump's original deal, but Trump acted coy when asked about it. Given how many moving parts there are at the moment, hard to tell what's connected and what's just coincidence.
>>2576649Tbh, I’m inclined to call it a nothing burger as well. Until this turns into actual in-fighting where imprisonment (or execution) is the outcome, rather than just allowing people to resign their official positions as free men to appease the western watchdog, then what’s the big deal?
The mistake the Zelensky gang and the Euros may have made is assuming that Trump was operating contrary to US deep-state wishes in trying to settle this. Probably they didn't take enough of a hint from Pentagon officials recently visiting Kiev to give the Zelensky gang a reality check.
hmmm, could it be that the post-soviet state might be full of OLIGARCHS? You know that word we like to use for Russia and only Russia because the Soviet Union was just Russia?
>>2576651wanna bet NABU will frame all the ermak corruption as a reason on
why Ukrainian has lost/is losing.
>>2576671Nah, Trump will have that honor in the western media
>>2576661>Until this turns into actual in-fighting where imprisonment (or execution) is the outcomelmao, this will never happen because these are all epstein in the sense of knowing the dirty secrets of everyone else. if one is arrested/executed, the house of cards known as the servants of the people will all fall.
They could reveal that Zelensky snorts coke in his office 4 times a day and that the Ukrainian defence minister reads Mein Kampf and openly thinks Russians are subhumans and nobody would care. There would be hubub for maybe a day and then the media would go radio silent like it doesn't matter.
>>2576673This but unironically.
On the one hand, I'm sick of seeing Zelensky's face, but on the other hand, he's a reliable guard against Minsk 3.
Ambivalent.
>>2576676No doubt, but that’s presumably also the reason why no one gets too offended by being told to resign essentially on the orders of the US, either Yermak is going to continue doing what he does in an unofficial capacity or he leaves Ukraine and keeps his head down.
Zelensky doesn't actually have any executive power, does he? He's head of state but that just means he's a figurehead he's like a Fisher Price Winston Churchill.
>>2576684
No in this instance they don't even acknowledge the corruption. Ukraine is blameless in this conflict and there is no secondary motive behind western interest in the conflict so the Ukrainian government can do no wrong.
>>2576682Not entirely, his team is selling to NATO a shot at collapsing Russia in open warfare with ample cannon fodder without directly fighting using NATO troops and that’s an opportunity they just can’t pass up.
So I imagine the Servants of the People have some leverage for while they can still Serve their People… on a platter for NATO
>>2576687European bros, I thought we were committed to the struggle? I thought we were idealist? Do you mean to imply that the European states all have a secret real agenda that involves stuffing pockets?
Has Yermak’s corruption been blamed on Russia yet?
>>2576696
We got a sneak peak of things to come that day we saw the first Leopard II abandoned in a minefield, people weren’t just shocked that the first report of a NATO MBT in combat didn’t describe it raining absolute carnage on the Russian military, they were absolutely furious their Based Over-engineered German Big Cat tank was lost in such a “Slavic” way, I recall. Despite Ukraines assurances they were only following NATO’s plans.
unban the communist party
stop having it be banned
>Yermak was a film producer and entertainment lawyer prior to politics
JFC they actually did it, didn’t they? They’ve killed and displaced millions of their own people because “we’d win in the movies!…”
>Yes we fight NATO war like Top Gun yes?
<civilians soldiers like in Red Dawn?
>We need soldier who say Ooh-Rah! Rather than “I want to go home”
>>2576706>CrimeaEuropean continental security is now compromised. Yalta conference 2 seems likely at this point
>>2576703Communist parties should be ready to operate underground as the threat of fascism is real. If the party becomes powerfu enough the bourgeoisie will feel threatened as they could lose their property to state or workers. That said should Ukrainian communists support revolutionary defeatism as its possible that Russia could install a peaoples republic like those in Donbass (or what is left them)?
Why are we deliberately indulging fed propaganda 0-20? Freaking losers.
>>2576711Europe is already banning its commie parties. Poland wants to ban a Communist Party that has barely over 300 members that simply do book discussions and the occasional picket protest.
>>2576706Trump is literally a Putinist puppet. Recognisation of true Ukrainian land as Russian? He probably wants Georgian democracy to die too. Like, are we deadass? This is why I hate Trump.
>>2576717Its a red line and EU will divorce USA over land grabs on European clay. Silver lining is that American empire is dying.
>>2576717>>2576723Don't be tricked by the Euro-American falling out. The European and American financial sectors are intertwined. They'll fall in to American foreign policy because US foreign policy is based on the logic of the market.
>>2576728>Don't be tricked by the Euro-American falling out. Only anglos are dependent on americans. EU has 550 million people and nuclear weapons targeted on washington.
>>2576731550 million people and nuclear weapons that submit to the US market.
>>2576731>>2576733*450 million due to brexit. USA even tried to propose a "christian alliance against China" during negotiations about Ukraine
>>2576738>"christian alliance against China" during negotiations about Ukrainebullshit, source?
>>2576744Im not even bullshitting. They even sent low autism score retards like zionist Jared Kushner into the diplomatic team.
>and a suggested Russia–U.S. alliance against China framed with “a lot of ‘Christian alliance’” rhetoric. He suggested that one or both ideas might still exist in a nonpublic version of the planhttps://meduza.io/en/feature/2025/11/24/u-s-push-for-a-russia-ukraine-deal-shows-progress-as-thanksgiving-deadline-nears-the-latest-on-trump-s-peace-plan?utm_source=chatgpt.com >>2576750ironically if Jared is there they're serious about peace, he was instrumental in getting the palestinian ceasefire getting signed
>>2576752Yeah I know its a nafo link but you can always search yourself more sources instead of me spoonfeeding you.
>>2576731>EU has 550 million people and nuclear weapons targeted on washington.the US allows the EU to use US nuclear weapons to target the US?
that's new.
>>2576682nah according to the events in ukraine guy he actually has managed to obtain and concentrate quite a lot of power. The thing is its all contingent on the nazis in the army and security services not killing him, and nato controlled anti corruption agencies not denouncing him (which is why he tried to take control of the agency and failed)
>>2576758pretty sure france has its own native nuclear program
>>2576769that's not france though is it
>>2576769yeah the brits might as well be vassals
>>2576761
I'm more interested in what the reaction and collapse(?) of Ukraine will look like, because of this pseudo-decapitation.
Removing Zelensky is like lifting an old rock. You don't do it, because then you will have to see what dwells underneath.
>>2576786
If the anybody in the West thinks it's Zelensky obstructing peace, they're in for a big surprise.
>>2576819that's a pretty obvious ukr account in the first place
>>2576829
it's just a random hohol account that uses his name ironically, not even an impersonator
>>2576836yeah, to spout a bunch of anti-Russian propaganda, fooling some morons that he's a Russian nationalist, and "truth patriot" (TM).
only morons fall for traps, and guide their opinions based on social media impersonators. and this is a worse slop than AI slop.
>>2576874
Ukraine doesn't even have a navy.
>>2576871
Sanctioned? Can’t you just blow up whatever you suspect is owned by a nation you’re not at war with officially but just don’t like?
>>2576920
No
>>2576920
It's not a victory for anyone. Ironically, and yes I know this is cheesy, the only people who win are the Chinese because if this war has demonstrated anything it's that America is now longer the world hegemon.
>>2576926
I can't begin to imagine what has gone so wrong in your life to lead you to become so asshurt about this thread that it appears to have given you actual brain damage.
It's a Russian victory but I do not believe it is worth it. Materialistically, it's opportunistic for the Marxist movement. But from a Russian governmental perspective I don't see how eastern Ukrainian resources will counter the death toll. More lithium and REE's I guess.
>>2576915
>Russian military number two in the world
I hear this stated exclusively by nafoids despite the attitude being prior to this conflict and Russia showing some staying power, that the Chechen wars demonstrated the Russian military is not the Soviet Army and Russia never recovered from the issues those conflicts exposed and in fact just got worse over time.
Hyping up the Russian military literally only became a thing when they defied expectations and lasted longer than two weeks, because then the narrative needed to be surprise that liddle uwukraine was standing up to Russia the SECOND MILITARY IN THE WORLD I MIGHT REMIND YOU all on its lonesome with just a proud NATO watching and nodding in approval
>>2576940>resourcesThe west tried to use its waning power to isolate Russia from global trade, diplomacy and security. It has ended with the west blowing up gas pipelines and oil tankers because they can’t stop Germany much less the global south from wanting Russian resources, they’re pulling drone operators out of Ukraine’s defence to counter Russian military assistance in Africa and have failed to scuttle BRICS as an alternative to western trade and diplomatic orgs
>>2576938
>The real reason is old school imperial conquest for land, resources and labor.
t. heard a cousin's roommate misinterpret Marxism once
>>2576944
>So they even managed to eugenically improve their population
Himmler would be proud.
>>2576961Its ironic but this is what peak fascism with eugenics looks like. All the untermenschen are rotting on ukrainian fields and results speak for themselves.
>>2576969>fascism is a million dead over lithiumyeah sounds about right
>>2576970>kill all the poorest members of society to gain natural resourcesClassic fascism moment.
>>2576952>>2576957What matters is actions, not words. What is the actual material action in this war? Siezure of land, resources and fresh labor. The purpose of a thing is what it does. The purpose of this war is imperial conquest.
>>2576987Only stupid people deny that. But the other materialist mindset is the impact of the war on wider imperialism and the EU-UK-NATO-US Axis.
>>2576987You're an imbecile, and you grasp on geopolitics is worse than a toddler's.
>>2576992Then it should be easy for you to explain why it isn't.
>>2576994Russia has been invaded massively by Europe
twice before, by Napoleon and Hitler, through Ukraine. Their concern over Ukraine joining NATO (a primarily anti-Russian alliance) is completely warranted.
See? Easy. Dipshit.
>>2577002I'm sorry what? Your interpretation of why this war is necessary is because of threats sustained by Russia in 1812 and 1941? To say that this war was conducted simply to keep Ukraine out of NATO is nonsense. If it was, it would be a war to simply change the policies of a nation, not to occupy part of the nation and absorb it into your own and allow the corrupt and increasingly unpopular current Ukrainian parliament to exist.
>>2577008>That is literally how the war startedAh so if Ukraine agreed not to join NATO and restore the many banned politicians and parties who are currently under Russian protection Russia would grant Ukraine back its territories? Because this is a war of liberation and definitely not one where two blocs and fighting for resources.
>>2576944
why are you pretending, nafo?
>>2577019>Ah so if Ukraine agreed not to join NATO and restore the many banned politicians and parties who are currently under Russian protection Russia would grant Ukraine back its territoriesLiterally yes, Russia initially wanted Donbass as a part of a federal neutral Ukraine
Ukraine fought against that with all of its might, because an hypothetical upper house with a significant Eastern presence would kill any euroatlantic integration aspirations and bandera worship
>>2577019Ukraine forfeited Crimea when they overthrew the democratically elected President and started discriminating against Russian-speakers. Ukraine forfeited Donetsk and Lugansk when they started this war. Ukraine forfeited Kherson and Zaporozhye when they use peace negotiations as a stall tactic to mobilize. And they're going to lose more the longer they wait to peace out. Because this is a war of liberating the Russian-speakers from Ukronazi tyranny.
Sucks to suck.
>>2577028We did it reddit! We saved Russian oligarchy millions dollars with this war!
>>2577019>>2576987>definitely not one where two blocs and fighting for resources.>The purpose of this war is imperial conquest.tell that to Minsk I and II. RIP.
and, just in case, again I have to remind who started what.
>>2577026>Russia initiallyWhy initially? If the Ukrainian government doesn't accept it then why doesn't Russia transform it into a rival government, if its a liberation war? Why did Russia have to subjugate it?
>>2577028You're not even being specific. This is not a Marxist view of war.
>>2577033You don't understand Marxism. Ukrainian government has shown itself repeatedly to be untrustworthy. Any agreement not to discriminate against Russians within their borders would be ink on paper.
>>2577037If the trade unions get unbanned and the communist party is allowed to enter elections in Ukraine post-war I will concede to you that the war had some meaningfulness besides accelerating the decline of neoliberal capitalism.
>>2576946At this point the Russian military is probably the number 1 in the world. Even the mighty US military is just coasting off its cold war produce.
Imo that's a big reason why China is giving them such fits. If their enemies have anything approaching current tech their relative advantage falls off a cliff. Every modern installation China builds in Africa degrades the yankee position considerably.
>>2577037don't bother. it's a moot point. next chess move it'll be accusing 'coockteen' of 'cooking'.
>>2577039I'll be surprised if there's a "Ukraine" left post-war.
>>2577032>government building in western ukraine seized and autonomy declared<democratic protests>government building in eastern ukraine seized and autonomy declared<terrorist insurgency proceeds to air strike random civilians>>2577033>If the Ukrainian government doesn't accept it then why doesn't Russia transform it into a rival governmentwhat? I don't understand.
initially because Ukraine repeatedly refused any autonomy proposals and continued to shell civilians.
>>2576993There were stories months ago of Ukraine game-ifying drone warfare by assigning points to personnel and material and having drone units buy equipment from an e-shop based on points earned.
>>2577034>70% are israeliWe truly did it reddit.
>>2576933Ground-force XP is overrated nowadays for the big players, imo. FPV drone XP is where it's at. America is sitting on 0 XP for that.
>>2577043My money is on total Russian conquest and government in exile.
If Russia does want to take the whole country this war might last fucking ten years.
>>2577048The doctrine progression seems to have severely increased infantry combat width, and forced drones to be equipped to every infantry regiment, so suddenly, you're in deficit of an assload of equipment.
>>2577053Didn't much of the ukr military defect to Donbas, which is what precipitated Azov et al being integrated into the military?
>>2577055It has already lasted for 11 years since Russia invaded Crimea. Dont hold your breath.
>>2577058That was not a full scale war though. It was a border conflict mostly confined to mostly militia-based separatists and an incredibly poorly equipped antiquated ukrainian army.
>>2577062>this invasion of other country wasnt a real invasion thoOk nazigger.
>>2577058>Russia invaded Crimeanever happened
>>2577066I'm talking about pacing. The dombas conflict did not involve the bulk of the Russian army on a constant offensive. That only occurred during the actual invasion.
>>2577067Yes, it did. And it was based.
>>2577067Its still happening but you are missing parts of brain that are able to understand this.
Any good Telegram/Twitter/Reddit doom for the Yermak incident? I love reading Ukro demoralization.
>>2577071C'mon, CIA, do the funny thing.
>>2577069>>2577070Russia was already in Crimea under long-term agreement with the legitimate government of Ukraine. Can't invade somewhere you already are.
The fact that a gang of illegitimate criminal usurpers seized power in Kiev and wanted them to leave doesn't turn it into an invasion.
>>2577078Russia was allowed access to the Black Sea ports as per a post-soviet agreement. Taking the whole peninsula is still an invasion lol.
>>2577078As a believer in communist revolution, I do not have strong opinions on legitimacy of governments. I use a much easier calculus - the new government were Nazis, and Nazis deserve to lose land. Especially if it is occupied by people that will soon be second-class otherwise.
Those who live by Blood and Soil are to be asked which they would prefer to lose first.
>>2577080>>2577088>>2577085Russian military was already in Crimea. Criminal usurpers have no authority to tell Russia or anyone else what to do or not do in Crimea. The government they overthrew did, but too late for that.
When a gang of criminals threatens Russia's base and the people in Crimea, Russia had a right to protect themselves and the people by any means necessary. The usurper regime had no authority to object or say otherwise.
The people of Crimea rejected and divorced the usurper regime and welcomed Russia. Too bad for the usurpers. (Careful what you wish for / FAFO, etc)
>>2577101Okay, so it was an invasion?
>>2577103>Baltic leaders are asking Brussels for financial assistance You mean the financial assistance the Belgians conveniently pocketed?
>>2577103Wonder why Russia isn't offering Russians living in the Baltics to immigrate. It's not like their labor shortages got any better.
>>2577104It was a liberation after more than 20 years of Ukraine occupying Crimea after they voted for independence.
>>2577109>voted for independenceSo where's the independence?
>>2577107Probably because it would derange the baltics even further to suddenly lose large ethnic Russian constituencies.
>>2577113Yeah, but I was thinking about reasons
not to do it. :^)
>>2577110So you agree that the Ukrainian occupation of Crimea was illegitimate?
>>2577121No because it was something your imperialist regime accepted themselves. Yeltsin accepted the terms of Crimeas ownership in writing.
>>2577104no. as said, russia was already in crimea legally, and after the coup there was no legitimate authority to object to anything they did there. the usurpers created the environment of lawlessness, not russia. At that point it was up to the people of crimea to decide, and they did.
>>2577109Fun fact: there was a Crimean independence (or at least broad autonomy with its own legislature and president) referendum in 1994 where 80% voted yes. Kiev just plainly ignored it and completely eliminated any autonomy by decree in 1998.
Europe thinks the unthinkable: Retaliating against Russia https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-thinks-the-unthinkable-retaliating-against-russia-nato-cyber-hybrid/
<Countries are looking at joint offensive cyber operations and surprise military drills as Moscow steps up its campaign to destabilize NATO allies.
>BRUSSELS — Russia's drones and agents are unleashing attacks across NATO countries and Europe is now doing what would have seemed outlandish just a few years ago: planning how to hit back.
>Ideas range from joint offensive cyber operations against Russia, and faster and more coordinated attribution of hybrid attacks by quickly pointing the finger at Moscow, to surprise NATO-led military exercises, according to two senior European government officials and three EU diplomats.
>“The Russians are constantly testing the limits — what is the response, how far can we go?” Latvian Foreign Minister Baiba Braže noted in an interview. A more “proactive response is needed,” she told POLITICO. “And it’s not talking that sends a signal — it’s doing.”
>Russian drones have buzzed Poland and Romania in recent weeks and months, while mysterious drones have caused havoc at airports and military bases across the continent. Other incidents include GPS jamming, incursions by fighter aircraft and naval vessels, and an explosion on a key Polish rail link ferrying military aid to Ukraine.
>“Overall, Europe and the alliance must ask themselves how long we are willing to tolerate this type of hybrid warfare … [and] whether we should consider becoming more active ourselves in this area,” German State Secretary for Defense Florian Hahn told Welt TV last week.
>Hybrid attacks are nothing new. Russia has in recent years sent assassins to murder political enemies in the U.K., been accused of blowing up arms storage facilities in Central Europe, attempted to destabilize the EU by financing far-right political parties, engaged in social media warfare, and tried to upend elections in countries like Romania and Moldova.
>But the sheer scale and frequency of the current attacks are unprecedented. GLOBSEC, a Bratislava-based think tank, calculated there were more than 110 acts of sabotage and attempted attacks carried out in Europe between January and July, mainly in Poland and France, by people with links to Moscow.
>“Today’s world offers a much more open — indeed, one might say creative — space for foreign policy,” Russian leader Vladimir Putin said during October's Valdai conference, adding: “We are closely monitoring the growing militarization of Europe. Is it just rhetoric, or is it time for us to respond?”
>Russia may see the EU and NATO as rivals or even enemies — former Russian president and current deputy Kremlin Security Council head Dmitry Medvedev last month said: “The U.S. is our adversary.” However, Europe does not want war with a nuclear-armed Russia and so has to figure out how to respond in a way that deters Moscow but does not cross any Kremlin red lines that could lead to open warfare.
>That doesn't mean cowering, according to Swedish Chief of Defense Gen. Michael Claesson. “We cannot allow ourselves to be fearful and have a lot of angst for escalation,” he said in an interview. “We need to be firm.”
>So far, the response has been to beef up defenses. After Russian war drones were shot down over Poland, NATO said it would boost the alliance's drone and air defenses on its eastern flank — a call mirrored by the EU.
>Even that is enraging Moscow.
>Europeans “should be afraid and tremble like dumb animals in a herd being driven to the slaughter,” said Medvedev in early October. “They should soil themselves with fear, sensing their near and agonizing end.”
<Switching gears
>Frequent Russian provocations are changing the tone in European capitals.
>After deploying 10,000 troops last week to protect Poland's critical infrastructure following the sabotage of a rail line linking Warsaw and Kyiv, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk on Nov. 21 accused Moscow of engaging in “state terrorism.”
>After the incident, the EU’s foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas said such threats posed an “extreme danger” to the bloc, arguing it must “have a strong response” to the attacks.
>Last week, Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto slammed the continent’s “inertia” in the face of growing hybrid attacks and unveiled a 125-page plan to retaliate. In it, he suggested establishing a European Center for Countering Hybrid Warfare, a 1,500-strong cyber force, as well as military personnel specialized in artificial intelligence.
>“Everybody needs to revise their security procedures,” Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski said on Nov. 20. “Russia is clearly escalating its hybrid war against EU citizens.”
<Walk the talk
>Despite the increasingly fierce rhetoric, what a more muscular response means is still an open question.
>Part of that is down to the difference between Moscow and Brussels — the latter is more constrained by acting within the rules, according to Kevin Limonier, a professor and deputy director at the Paris-based GEODE think tank.
>“This raises an ethical and philosophical question: Can states governed by the rule of law afford to use the same tools … and the same strategies as the Russians?” he asked.
>So far, countries like Germany and Romania are strengthening rules that would allow authorities to shoot down drones flying over airports and militarily sensitive objects.
>National security services, meanwhile, can operate in a legal gray zone. Allies from Denmark to the Czech Republic already allow offensive cyber operations. The U.K. reportedly hacked into ISIS’s networks to obtain information on an early-stage drone program by the terrorist group in 2017.
>Allies must “be more proactive on the cyber offensive,” said Latvia's Braže, and focus on “increasing situational awareness — getting security and intelligence services together and coordinated.”
>In practice, countries could use cyber methods to target systems critical to Russia’s war effort, like the Alabuga economic zone in Tatarstan in east-central Russia, where Moscow is producing Shahed drones, as well as energy facilities or trains carrying weapons, said Filip Bryjka, a political scientist and hybrid threat expert at the Polish Academy of Sciences. “We could attack the system and disrupt their functioning,” he added.
>Europe also has to figure out how to respond to Russia's large-scale misinformation campaigns with its own efforts inside the country.
>“Russian public opinion … is somewhat inaccessible,” said one senior military official. “We need to work with allies who have a fairly detailed understanding of Russian thinking — this means that cooperation must also be established in the field of information warfare.”
>Still, any new measures “need to have plausible deniability,” said one EU diplomat.
<Show of force
>NATO, for its part, is a defensive organization and so is leery of offensive operations. “Asymmetric responses are an important part of the conversation,” said one NATO diplomat, but “we aren’t going to stoop to the same tactics as Russia.”
>Instead, the alliance should prioritize shows of force that illustrate strength and unity, said Oana Lungescu, a former NATO spokesperson and fellow with London's Royal United Services Institute think tank. In practice, that means rapidly announcing whether Moscow is behind a hybrid attack and running ‘no-notice’ military exercises on the Russian border with Lithuania or Estonia.
>Meanwhile, the NATO-backed European Centre of Excellence for Countering Hybrid Threats in Helsinki, which brings together allied officials, is also “providing expertise and training” and drafting “policies to counter those threats,” said Maarten ten Wolde, a senior analyst at the organization.
>“Undoubtedly, more should be done on hybrid,” said one senior NATO diplomat, including increasing collective attribution after attacks and making sure to “show through various means that we pay attention and can shift assets around in a flexible way.”
<Jacopo Barigazzi, Nicholas Vinocur, Nette Nöstlinger, Antoaneta Roussi and Seb Starvecic contributed reporting. >>2577069There was no invasion by the Russian military, the Russian military was already there because Ukraine leased the bases to Russia.
It's Friday night (here at least and therefore now for all of yous as well) so lets post music, Russian and Ukrainian permitted I'll start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6nxRpaQZpE>>2577123So you don't really care about Crimeans or what they want. To you they're just a talking point, so your opinion isn't really important.
>>2577129>Russia's drones and agents are unleashing attacks across NATO countries and EuropeThere is a joke in Russia:
A jew is reading an antisemitic newspaper. Another jew asks him:
- Why are you reading such filth?
- Oh, you know…our own newspapers are so depressing. Pogroms, antisemitism, discrimination everywhere. Then I open this newspaper and learn that we rule the world!
>>2577129>Hybrid attacks are nothing new. Russia has in recent years sent assassins to murder political enemies in the U.K., been accused of blowing up arms storage facilities in Central Europe, attempted to destabilize the EU by financing far-right political parties, engaged in social media warfare, and tried to upend elections in countries like Romania and Moldova.They really will just write anything, huh.
>>2577134Yes. They didn't invade, they just seized the state apparatus.
>>2577140The ships did that?
>>2577141It's definitely leery of offensive operations against opponents that can actually defend themselves, yes.
>>2577130
Weird smear attempt, but okay.
>>2577150Topical and as the kids say, it slaps! Reminds me of Zveri, I suppose! Irony will be it getting popular 20 years from now in the west as turbofolk did
Next from me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prpAmaqqpww&list=RDprpAmaqqpww&start_radio=1 sigma boy labubu
>>2577157Okay, I see you're giving this gimmick a political edge, but in that case why not go for the checkmate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2YlbiyiuMc&list=RDx2YlbiyiuMc&start_radio=1The Ukrainians traded that for Erika, fucking please.
>>2577166Yeah okay, you win.
>>2577145Ahh, you're right, it was a military base without personnel.
How damaging could the Ukraine corruption scandal be for Zelensky?
(title changed from 'Will Zelensky be the next accused in Ukraine’s corruption scandal?')
Andriy Yermak, the cryptic aide who shadowed Volodymyr Zelensky through every phase of the war, resigned Friday after anti-corruption investigators searched his office and house. Yermak was the center of Zelensky’s wartime team – and the consequences of his resignation could be far reaching.
In an evening address, Zelensky thanked Yermak for representing Ukraine’s negotiating position in recent tense talks with the United States, “as it should be” and stressed that it had “always been patriotic,” while urging Ukrainians to ignore rumors around the resignation. He said he would begin consultations on a new chief of staff immediately. With more talks looming, he underlined that, in wartime, every institution must stay focused on defending the state. Meetings with the American side, he added, are expected in the coming days.
But Yermak rarely acted on his own; he was, in many ways, an extension of Zelensky. He handled the tough, unappealing tasks for the wartime president. He appeared to control the President’s decisions, because the President wanted it so. “Firing him feels like prosecuting his own actions,” an official said. “On a personal level, it feels like a betrayal because half of Yermak’s actions come from the President,” he added.
Since the beginning of Russia’s invasion, Yermak followed Zelensky from bunker meetings to front-line inspections and wielded enormous influence behind closed doors. Over the years, his controlling nature earned him disdain across the board. “He’s a control freak with a psychopathic nature, a maniac for power,” said a senior Ukrainian official. “Letting him go gives a second chance for the President to reset everything.”
For years, both Washington and Brussels have pressed Zelensky to move Yermak aside, convinced that the presidential chief of staff exercised an outsize, often questionable influence over the country’s wartime decision-making. The drive to push out Yermak peaked last week as a major corruption scandal blew open in Kyiv. The probe alleges a $100 million kick-back scheme inside state-run energy company Energoatom, involving senior officials and Zelensky’s close allies. Yermak, though not then directly implicated, became the focal point of the backlash.
Even Zelensky’s party, dormant up to now, rebelled against him last Thursday, urging the President to remove Yermak. Zelensky pushed back – only to reverse his decision a week later, when anti-corruption agencies came to Yermak himself and searched his home on Friday.
In July tensions flared when the government abruptly moved against the National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU), a step widely read as an attempt to stop investigators who had begun circling too close to Bankova, the presidential administration. This was followed by largest public protests since the war, diplomatic pushback and a very clear signal that the move had gone too far. Within days, the administration reversed course. Officials have now confirmed that the government’s summer attempt to bring NABU under control was connected to an effort to contain the same investigations that have now broken into the open.
Within Zelensky’s team, some have suggested that the pressure to remove Yermak is coming from the United States, where the FBI has been quietly coordinating with NABU on the corruption investigations. They say the Energoatom case was only the first of four probes expected to surface. “Everybody around Zelensky understands that the President cannot survive the next episodes without giving a sacrifice,” one official said. That sacrifice, allies told the President, must have been Yermak. By that point, Yermak had isolated himself so much that he was left with no real supporters besides Zelensky himself.
“Mr. Yermak’s resignation as Chief of Staff allows for a much-needed political reset at a critical time in the negotiations over Ukraine’s future,” Michael Carpenter, former NSC senior director for Europe under the Biden administration, told The Spectator. He praised the investigation for looking into allegations about Zelensky’s “core team.”
To his detriment, Yermak united people who otherwise would not work together. People really hate him. Even those who owe him everything say he’s impossible to deal with”, the source noted.
The way Yermak ran things looked very familiar to anyone who knows post-Soviet politics. It was all about loyalty, personal ties and small clans competing for influence. But this isn’t just a Yermak problem. These old habits never really disappeared in Ukraine, even as a war raged.
Ukrainians perceive Zelensky as different from much of his team. They do not view him as corrupt – and many believe he genuinely wants to do the right thing. But after so many years of being let down by the state and system, there’s a real sense of resignation that not even a total war can fully change how politics work. And if things stay as they are, it’s only a matter of time before the blame stops with Yermak and lands on Zelensky.
Can Zelensky surrender?
The urge to run from danger is only human. It was palpable when air raid sirens sounded as I left the Ukrainian city of Dnipro, which is close to the front line and under relentless attack nightly from Russian drones. Five MiG-31 aircraft were in the air, Telegram channels with access to reliable intelligence reported. The warplanes can be armed with either the Iskander ballistic missile – which travels at up to 5,400mph – or the Kinzhal hypersonic missile, top speed 7,700mph. So fast there wasn’t enough time to find a shelter. We sat in traffic with bated breath, waiting.
A deep boom resonated through the mini-bus and two colleagues of mine began praying. Was it an intercept or an impact – or a Patriot defense battery firing? We still don’t know. And, more importantly, we wondered where, exactly, the other incoming missiles were heading. As the tension mounted in our stationary vehicle, I glanced out the window: people ambled slowly back from work under yellow streetlights; they smoked, they shopped, they seemed more concerned with the cold than impending death from above.
For some: flight; for others: fight. Ukrainians succumbing to the understandable desire to run as far away from the war as possible has been a big problem for the country since long before Donald Trump unveiled his plan for a peace deal. Last year, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky lowered the conscription age from 27 to 25. But nine in every ten conscripts is failing to report for duty, a close advisor of Zelensky told me. It is estimated that the number of fighting-age men who have fled Ukraine is almost equivalent to the size of the 900,000-strong Ukrainian army. Polish border guards have processed 99,000 men aged 18-22 in the past two months alone.
“If 90 people out of 100 are escaping the army, the nation is not ready to fight anymore,” the advisor said. “The problem with joining the military is that people think it’s forever, until the war is over. So basically you’re going to eventually die on the front line. This is an existential problem for Ukraine now. We have already lost seven million people who have moved out of the country since the war began. If conscription is expanded, it would maybe force out an extra two million. But what’s going to be the future of the country demographically? The best way now is to take the least bad peace deal possible. The Russians still have other moves to go, they can do internal mobilization – they still have reserves.”
Roman Kostenko, a former military commander and current parliamentary deputy, said “80 percent [of soldiers] are now running away from training centers, and the country is doing nothing to bring them back or create conditions so that they are afraid to run away and do their duty.”
If the Ukrainian army was twice its current size – as it should be if all who were conscripted had answered the call – perhaps it could have fended off the current Russian advance into the city of Pokrovsk and stopped the Russians pushing forward the front line, thereby bolstering Zelensky’s hand in negotiations with the US.
Zelensky negotiates from a position of weakness. Battlefield losses are mounting and the front line is moving in the wrong direction. His administration is also engulfed in a corruption scandal centered on the energy industry, which is currently being crippled by Russian attacks. This is his – and his country’s – bleakest moment since the war began in February 2022.
If Pokrovsk does fall, the next major city in Vladimir Putin’s sights will be Dnipro, 50 miles to the west – which might shortly afterward find itself within shelling distance. Instead of nightly attacks by MiG-31s, Dnipro, which is home to one million Ukrainians, could face 24-hour bombardment. Its resilient residents, swelled already by tens of thousands of people fleeing from the Russian advance, could at that point finally decide to leave en masse.
Volodymyr Miller, the deputy mayor of Dnipro, called for the conscription age to be lowered even further to help defend his city. “The conscription rules have to change. I would even say that they should have been changed sooner. There are too many people not helping. Either you’re on the front or you’re for the front. And if you don’t have that in society, then the war will be tougher,” he said.
Some, however, think Ukraine can go it alone and that further conscription is unnecessary. Standing next to the smoldering wreckage of the public broadcaster Suspilne, which was attacked with a barrage of Shahed suicide drones just hours beforehand, Ivanna – a university lecturer in rocket science – said: “We’re not going to stand down. We’ll be here to the very end. I believe in my defenders, I trust they will defend our city.”
This optimistic assessment of Ukraine’s chances of success prevails across the country. True, this is a view born, perhaps, of necessity while the fighting continues. Failure is not an option: the alternative is death. But to bring the fighting to a close, very few people say they will accept the compromises outlined in Trump’s peace deal – especially ones that involve giving away any land. In a recent poll, 75 percent of Ukrainians said they would reject a plan that forfeited territory, while just 17 percent said they would accept such a deal. Why should they, they argue, when Putin’s aim is to reunite the Russian empire and that a peace deal will, in fact, allow him to regroup before invading again. It has been angrily dismissed by many in the West as a capitulation agreement authored by Russia.
The counter view to war is fast diminishing in Ukraine. Those who have fled the country in order to avoid being conscripted would, no doubt, account for a big block of those in favor of ending the fighting if Trump’s peace deal is signed. Within 100 days of the deal being agreed, national elections would have to take place, which would effectively act as a referendum on the agreement. However, it is unclear whether these absconding conscripts would be allowed to vote – or if they would even be prepared to put their head above the parapet and give the Ukrainian government their details, for fear of prosecution. The country’s anti-war sentiment is being hollowed out.
The view from the front line of Trump’s deal – and that of Ukraine’s military and civil leadership – is skeptical. Harry, 27, an American with Ukrainian roots, joined the Ukrainian army almost four years ago. He fought in the infantry, going into Russia as part of a reconnaissance unit, but when his injuries became problematic, he joined a drone team – reasoning that it was better to be the hunter than the hunted.
“The problem with conscription is a lot of Ukrainians don’t trust the army and I don’t blame them,” he told me. “There have been too many poorly planned missions that lead to unnecessary deaths. You have to ask if this juice is worth the squeeze, as we say in the US. Too many units are trying to be on the offensive and this is 90 percent a defensive war now. We need to be building defenses with pushes here and there to keep the Russians on their toes.
“With the peace deal that Trump is pushing, there is no incentive for Putin to stop – he’ll just keep going. It’s a Russian wishlist. What’s the point of what we’ve been doing if we give up everything? I don’t see the army accepting it.”
A fellow serviceman, a drone operator who mounts strike missions deep into Russia, attacking military logistics hubs and fuel depots, believes that further conscription could turn the tide and there is no need to take the US deal. “Russian soldiers are paid much more than our soldiers, but if we paid more than them we could attract a lot of fighters, mercenaries from other countries. With the new sanctions Russia will soon struggle to pay its own troops. We can win if that happens, if we keep our resolve.”
War is still the most likely outcome of the peace process, not least because Putin hasn’t put his name anywhere near the proposed deal – and may never do so, following reports of a security guarantee that would park NATO troops and warplanes on Poland’s border, ready to be unleashed at a moment’s notice if he steps out of line. The deal is not the point for Putin – the point is the chaos and instability it has uncorked.
To outsiders, it seems foolhardy to continue a war that is scything down the flower of Ukraine’s youth, especially when the odds of winning oscillate between low and impossible. Since the Ukrainian parliament was frozen in aspic under martial law in 2022, the country has become more militaristic, more steeped in blood, more patriotic. Those who don’t want to fight have left. Peace will be a hard sell. Yet at a time when the majority of young people in the West readily admit they wouldn’t fight for either their country or their way of life, there is something deeply admirable and honorable about the Ukrainians who have stayed to take up arms – and their never-say-die spirit.
https://gordonhahn.com/2025/11/23/the-collapsing-ukrainian-army/
>The Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) are now well into a state of collapse, as I warned would be the case a year ago (https://gordonhahn.com/2024/12/10/the-second-great-ukrainian-ruin-revisited/). It is plagued by high casualties, low recruitment, most of it forced conscription, mass desertion, low morale, poor training, and old age. It is becoming a rag-tag force calling to mind those famous paintings of Napoleon’s Grande Army during its retreat from Russia.
>Desertions and AWOLs from the Ukrainian military amounted to 90,000 from January 2022 to September 2024: 60,000 cases of AWOL and nearly 30,000 for desertion. By September 2025 those figures had risen to nearly 290,000 AWOLs and desertions: 235,646 AWOLs and 53,954 desertions (https://censor.net/en/news/3579670/ukraine-opens-nearly-290-000-awol-and-desertion-cases-since-2022). In October, desertions alone reached a record 21,602 (https://censor.net/en/news/3583784/ukraine-sets-a-record-for-desertions-more-than-21-000-people-left-the-army-in-a-month). Some conclude that the UAF may have suffered as many as 2 million casualties (https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/WMkYYjvnyOI).?rel=0&autoplay=0&showinfo=0&enablejsapi=0)
>I would estimate Ukrainian casualties at 1.5 million to date; Russian casualties are likely a third of that approximately. With casualties up to some 40,000 per month and the current AWOL/desertion rate of 20,000, the UAF will have shrunk by 720,000 and may no longer exist a year from now. Mobilization may not make up the gap, unless the Ukrainian army currently numbers nearly that many. This may be the case but if so then just barely. There are reportedly now few to no volunteers in Ukraine, and military mobilization carried out the past two year, which has had such a debilitating effect on the economy and society, has been an unmitigated failure. It has devolved into a throwback from medieval times, with men forcibly ‘mobilized’ into the army. Nevertheless, if we are to be positive and optimistic from Ukraine’s point of view and assume 20,000 recruits per month — many if not all forcibly mobilized – Ukraine will have an army by the end of next year of some 240,000. But his will be an army not only of less quantity but of less quality by that time.
>Moreover, the recruting pool is shrinking. Almost 100,000 draft age young men fled Ukraine in the first two months after Zelenskiy approved in summer an easing of travel restrictions for men aged 18-22 (www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/10/29/100000-young-men-flee-ukraine-two-months/). This figure is now probably at 150,000. Thus, mobilization has not been and will not be able to replace losses due to casualties, AWOLs, and desertions and merely. Thus, the UAF is retreating all along the front line, only recently in controlled ‘retrograde’ retreat to spare lives and at other times in uncontrolled fashion, Gen. Oleksandr Syrskii, commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, had no choice but to order withdrawal from Gulai Pole precisely because the UAF has no more reserves to deploy there to make a stand against the advancing Russian troops (https://t.me/rezident_ua/28080).
>Ukraine is only able to ‚fill‘ the ranks with completely inexperienced recruits with low to no morale, who are thrown at the front lines without training (https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/r8yMTGKURYU?rel=0&autoplay=0&showinfo=0&enablejsapi=0). But already last year almost all new recruits were old or unmotivated, The Economistreported (https://ctrana.one/news/475629-nekhvatka-soldat-v-vsu-stanet-kritichnoj-vesnoj-the-economist.html). Commanders report that 90 percent of their troops on there frontlines are new, coercively mobilised men (https://ctrana.news/news/475190-v-vsu-sejchas-vojujut-v-osnovnom-zhiteli-sel-horodskim-lehche-sprjatatsja-ot-ttsk.html). Two days after Zelenskiy claimed Kiev’s forces had ‘all under control’ in Pokrovsk, which was fully encircled and almost entirely occupied by Russian forces, a Ukrainian officer reflected the state of morale. Criticizing the civilian and militreay leadership, he noted that the Russians have a three-to-one numerical advantage in terms of soldiers and drones. He lamented: “As soon as we destroy a group of ten soldiers, another one immediately takes their place. Are we destroying the drone post? He appears somewhere else. Their resources seem to be inexhaustible” (https://t.me/stranaua/215649). According to Serhiy Rakhamanin, a member of the Verkhovna Rada’s Committee on Defense and National Security, the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ infantry brigades now suffer from a shortage of personnel, are exhausted, and have low morale. Infantry units are suffering heavy losses, with no reserves to replace them. Many commanders fail to report losses in an attempt to profit from them. This means that, although unit personnel are said to be 60-70% strength full-time, they actually stand at less than 15-20%. Defensive missions assume what does not exis: fully or nearly fully staffed units. Thus, settlements now are being abandoned within hours after initial Russian attack. There is no viable defense force from infantry, and in some cases, drones are unable to build defense zones (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/148450).
>With morale low, discipline is eroded. Unauthorised retreats are increasing in frequency. Ukrainians soldiers are refusing to carry out operational orders because they amount to suicide operations and are beginning to surrender as whole units, in one case nearly a full battalion (e.g., 92nd Combat). Indeed, refusals to follow orders or undertake counteroffensive measures are increasing. In one recent case, the Azov Brigade’s chief of staff, Bogdan Koretich, accused a Ukrainian general of such poor command that he was described of being responsible for more Ukrainian war dead than the Russians, forcing his removal (www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/06/24/7462293/). At lower levels, commanders are being fired in large numbers (https://strana.news/news/467266-itohi-852-dnja-vojny-v-ukraine.html).
>Furthermore, Ukrainian weapons production is low, as is that of, and weapons assistance from Kiev’s allies. Russian forces have been destroying military production sites, including drone production and operator centers, while effectively cutting off supply lines, leaving troops poorly trained and poorly motivated troops poorly armed as well particularly as compared to their Russian enemy.
>The military crisis is sparking conflict between the army and civilian command, as President Volodomyr Zelenskiy has refused to issue a retreat order for political reasons, while the high command sees the decline in the number of ‘human resources’ for the war and is seeking to preserve lives. The military intervened to put an end to Zelenskiy’s politicking last month.On November 7th, as Pokrovsk was falling to Russian forces after Zelenskiy refused to order a troop withdrawal and said Ukrainian forces had the city under control, Chief of the General Staff of the UAF, Gen. Andrey Gnatov stated to Zelenskiy’s face and on video that “All decision touching on this (the Pokrovsk) operation will be taken by the military command,” forcing Zelenskiy to cut him off and inject that any rapid fall of Pokrovsk would be fodder for Russian propaganda and damage Ukraine’s ability to garner Western support (https://strana.news/news/494462-putin-mozhet-ispolzovat-zakhvat-pokrovska-kak-povod-ubedit-zapad-nadavit-na-kiev.html). Zelenskiy has repeatedly refused to give withdrawal orders to Ukrainian troops, allowing them to be pounded by Russian artillery, drones, and rockets for far too long and then be surrounded and largely ‘liquidated’, if not captured or forced to surrender to Russian forces. This was true of Mariupol in May 2022, Bakhmut in May 2023, Avdiivka in February 2024, and many other lesser battles in the war; a fact that often consternated the military leadership. Now, with the military forced into insubordination and taking charge of retreat decisions, civilian control over the military is under threat. This cannot only split the military from the civilian leadership, but it can create divisions within the army by provoking finger-pointing and disputes among officers over the need to follow the civilian leadership’s commands or whether high military command ought to continue to subordinate itself to the politicians. With this, a military coup can be one but one battlefield rout or political corruption scandal away. >>2577457>Within Zelensky’s team, some have suggested that the pressure to remove Yermak is coming from the United States, where the FBI has been quietly coordinating with NABU on the corruption investigations. I can believe it. 100mil is such small potatoes that it's hard to imagine caring about it enough to complain.
>>2577103Jungle gang posters should pool our pocket money and buy one of the Baltic countries when they've collapsed in a few years.
>>2577538Zionist trying to make Galloway sound far more based than he is.
I don't like this new world. Everything feels unsafe and scary.
>>2576472That isn't a Bradley. Looks like some M113 variant (I'm guessing based on road wheels).
>>2576455The only non-US NATO countries that might be in contention for that title are Poland and Turkey. Turks have combat experience so I'll give them the tip over Pollackia.
>>2576300Thank you for input moddy.
>>2577107Moving like Israel
Russian space program is in the gutter, damn
>>2577593Will this help ukrainians not to die?
>>2577129>Europe thinks the unthinkable: Retaliating against Russia Headline: Super Saiyan
Body: Paper shuriken (bunch of cyber shit it already does and… muh drills… and muh extra finger-pointing lmao)
>>2577609Even the whole statement was likely just n attempt to tease out a reaction from Russia. Even a statement that the media could use for domestic propaganda, diplomatic talking point and political justification. This is what these people do. The Brussels swamp creature isn't an leader, military strategist, diplomat or organizer, they are fund raisers, lobbyists and spin doctors.
Reminder that if you're not out there on social media boosting clumsy defenses of Zelensky's corruption and making them even worse, you don't understand praxis.
>>2577661I would say the west is bucking the most.
>>2577676
motherfucker bastard bloody
>>2577676
he is funny
>>2577729Tusk is Mandela Effect'd like Macron. You can swear that these guys have resigned in disgrace two or three times, yet they're still there. And whenever you mention it, the Shadow People dispatch some narrative about how it was just like Macron's prime minister who got booted or some sht.
>>2577760yes this all orange mans fault
definitely not the western bloc as a whole
>>2577739what macron instance are we on now, the 5th?
Is this peace deal actually good for Russia? Tell me why as an anti-imperialist that Russia should make "business deals" that will enrich the burger elite more than Russia
>>2577799I don't care if it's good for Russia. As an revolutionary defeatist, I want EU to lose.
>>2577760its just funny how nato libs seem to think the trump "plan" is bowing to russia, while it hasnt been approved by russia and is prolly not enough for them given their winning position
and its still ukraine refusing it out loudly first
>>2577829As far as Russia is concerned they haven't even received any "plan" yet.
the POW challengeKilling the surrenderers. Pushing the wheel of death. GRU, GUR, FSB, the Vatican.
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/the-pow-challenge
>Wars tend to bestialize with time. Human life loses whatever value it once had. The best way to guarantee survival is by destroying the enemy.
>Today’s topic is a frontline trend — the killing of prisoners of war. This will lead us to take a look at the individuals sharing and encouraging such online content. Though on both sides of the frontlines, they are all spores of the same post-soviet neo-nazi scene. Blood for the blood god, as one self-styled ‘landsknecht’ on the Ukrainian side likes to say.
>And as usual, there is also a generous serving of intelligence services. We have former or current representatives of the Ukrainian GUR (Main Directorate of Intelligence), the Russian FSB (Federal Security Service) and GRU (Main Intelligence Directorate). And the ‘representatives’ of these structures that we’ll cover today are all fighting on Kyiv’s side. The Vatican even makes an appearance!>>2578094Political purges and nato influences since the 90s have privileged the most insane and reactionary forces and figures.
>>2577760What I don't understand about all the people freaking out about the peace proposal is how they can just pretend that the battlefield situation is irrelevant in determining the outcome of the war.
>>2578096This is hands down the best internet source about post-Maidan Ukraine. I hope he publishes a book or at least a pdf compilation of his posts or something.
>>2578105Because we've been bred to believe wars are idealistic and not materialistic.
>>2578094Wasn't Poland created by Napoleon in the first place? That's like their whole thing, being mercenaries for empire.
The only way they can get any glory is coming along on our adventures, so of course they're excited when America is going to start a new one.
>>2578118their national anthem is basically "we've fought under master Napoleon who taught us to fight, so now we're going back to beat everyone who historically wronged us" lmao
>>2578137Ukraine had the largest non-NATO force in Iraq iirc
>>2578106I just wish it wasn't paywalled
>>2578105There are some that are doing it as a) commitment to the bit but even more imo that are b) completely ignorant of what's happening and going to be extremely surprised by coming events.
>>2577829If it isn't The Final Solution to the Russian Problem, it's bowing to Russia.
>>2578109What lack of HoI4 does to a mf.
https://www.euronews.com/2025/11/27/bulgarian-government-withdraws-2026-budget-draft-after-mass-protestsBulgarian government withdraws 2026 budget draft after mass protests
>Wednesday's protest in Sofia against Bulgaria's draft budget plan for 2026 drew an estimated 20,000 people, who demonstrated against a potential increase in social security contributions and the doubling of the dividend tax.
>The Bulgarian government said it will withdraw the draft state budget for 2026 after mass protests against the plan were staged on Wednesday, the ruling coalition's Council for Joint Governance announced.
>Prime Minister Rosen Zhelyazkov stated that the government will seek to resume dialogue with employers and trade unions.
>Zhelyazkov said that the social tension and protest from the previous evening were a clear signal that "we must place the interests of the country, the interests of society above purely political views."
>He called for the restoration of dialogue with business and trade unions, as well as employer organisations, which boycotted some meetings of the joint governance council.
>Former Prime Minister Boyko Borissov of GERB said that if a new budget is not adopted by the end of December, the state will operate with this year’s budget until a new one for the next year is approved.
>Atanas Atanasov, from the opposition coalition We Continue the Change – Democratic Bulgaria (PP-DB), called on the governing parties and their supporters to reconsider the contentious issues in next year’s budget.
>The demonstrations reflected widespread concern over the budget’s economic impact on individuals and businesses, including increases in social security contributions and the doubling of the dividend tax.
>On Wednesday, protesters formed a human chain around parliament and tried to block deputies’ cars, prompting police intervention to prevent violence. Police reported that demonstrators threw bottles and firecrackers at officers, injuring three.
>Opposition from various social groups and warnings from economists indicated that the draft carried significant risks, as Bulgaria prepares to join the eurozone at the beginning of next year.
>The budget set a record for government spending at nearly 46% of GDP. This increase would be financed primarily through higher taxes on businesses and workers, as well as a sharp rise in public debt.
>Bulgaria is governed by a minority coalition formed by GERB, the Bulgarian Socialist Party (BSP), and There Is Such a People (ITN). >>2578153
What's the name of it?
>>2578118>Wasn't Poland created by Napoleon in the first place? No, he just temporarily revived a Polish state after it was partitioned out of existence in the 18th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth >>2578316damn, uyghas b desperate
>>2578106the guy is on radio war nerd sometimes, his insights into the internal politics of ukraine are real interesting
>>2578295Poland should be repartitioned. Letting the poles go was the biggest mistake the soviets ever made.
>>2578316They keep posting these stories about random people being shanghaied into Russian mercenary or military outfits and they've never made any sense to me. They invariably don't speak Russian, aren't militarily trained, come from whatever random country, and usually are in such small numbers it makes one question what even the point would be of going to the trouble.
Who believes this crap except for retarded nafoids desperate to believe that Russia is running out of manpower?
>>2578391>muh ethnic revengereactionary
>>2578403National identities firmly planted in reaction should be dissolved. See: Israeli, Ukraine, Baltics.
why is modern eastern europe so fucking cucked?
>>2578435This shit is so retarded. The only one that reasoning could possibly apply to is Israel, and only because it was created as a colonial project. Poland long predates struggles between socialism and capitalism, and Ukraine played a major positive role in the establishment and power of the USSR. You dipshits just declare entire nationalities "reactionary" without any materialist or class analysis. It's a thinly veiled "Marxist" justification for national chauvinism.
>>2578445CIA spent 70 years nazifying Ukrainian nationalism. I simply conceded they succeeded.
Belgian identity was also a mistake. So is Croatian.
>>2578448>CIA spent 70 years nazifying Ukrainian nationalismDamn I was under the impression that concepts of national identity were the product of class and materialist dynamics. I guess all it takes is the CIA mind control gun.
>>2578452Glowie cash isn't a materialist dynamic?
>>2578452Ukraine was never a country until 1991.
I'm not sorry. There will be zero tolerance for national identities centered around worship of Nazis, Fascists, and miscellaneous anti-communist reactionary butchers of the working class. If this constitutes a genocide in theory or in practice, that's a (you) problem.
>>2578452>I guess all it takes is the CIA mind control gun.if only they had never spent one dime one it.
>>2578448>CIA spent 70 years nazifying Ukrainian nationalismqrd?
>>2578467Click the thing.
>>2578469okay I'm retarded. do you have any books to recommend on this topic?
Drop your best trolling ideas for if (when) Zelensky has to resign for corruption. We need to get this prepped now so we're ready to GO on a moment's notice.
>>2578473Douglas Valentine was being interviewed for a reason. Probably one of his books on the CIA.
>>2578477thanks missed the split second with his name at the start
>>2578477Do you still read as much as you used to, or have you become apathetic about it?
>>2578439In part it's the legacy of the shortcomings of post ww2 communist society, but by and large it's eu/nato influence purging them of communism and communists and magnifying the most reactionary elements.
>>2578485Agent Z will choose no deal.
He never lets us down.
>>2578484Too busy being glued to news. No need to read theory, if the data is right in front of you. Unless one has trouble interpreting it properly.
>>2578445I don't think Poles need to be executed en masse. I just think Poland shouldn't exist as a state.
>>2578491Nobody said anything about executions. But I am onboard with ethnic deportations.
>>2578485>>2578487no deal. the EU is obsessed to keep the war going. that's half of the funding, but it's funding nonetheless.
>>2578105It does not surprise me. The way my news covers Ukraine is by completely omitting the ground war, or the war at all. And reporting on the conflict as a daily series of terrorist long distance air attacks on exclusively civilian targets. Followed by donning their poker face and, every single time, reporting on Gaza just afterwards. Doing their best to imply a comparison.
As far as most TV news go, there hasn't been a ground war to report on since IDK, maybe the last counteroffensive, or briefly around the Kursk incursion. From that POV, the RF just needs to stop launching long strikes at Kiev for the war to end, since that is the only thing that gets reported on. And it's remarkably easy, since they only hit mysteriously low casualty civilian targets with the -20% of weapons which avoid interception.
What kind of stubborn tin-pot dictator does one have to be insisting on such ineffective, but cruel methods?
How many gajillions of lives and Rubles must be wasted on this futile, ego driven effort?
>>2578445Engels wrote an article about how Serbs should be forcefully assimilated (if not exterminated) by the Hungarians for supporting the Habsburgs. So he definitely supported employing tactical national chauvinism in the service of communism. This was mostly justifiied, as the royal family and their reactionary ministers were doing the same, cynically exploiting the national sentiments of lesser nations who had little interest in the Hungarian national project while plotting to subjugate under their empire just the same, and at the time they proved to be successful. Interestingly this is also how the abberation of (Western) Ukrainian nationalism came to be, which is somehow always opposed to the actual sentiments of the vast majority of Ukrainians. The Habsburg family purposefully enflamed them against the Poles, just like they did with the Serbs, Romanians and Croats against the Hungarians. For some reason these early Ukrainian nationalists who were based in the Austrian Partition of Poland didn't go as far as to seek the support of Russia (their brother nation) against Poland similar to (some of) earlier Ukrainian Cossacks. At the same time they had nothing to say about Austrians ruling over them. Neither did they have anything to say about
the Austrian ruling over them later in history. Clearly these motherfuckers have a tendency of materializing into existence under German occupation. Galicia-based schizophrenic """Ukrainian""" nationalism is a weapon created by the Kaiser's secret police that, just like a minefield, keeps causing casualties long after it surved its purpose.
>>2578489
Since 1985~ the unspoken wish of every Ukrainian politician was to blame communists for everything bad ever hnappening to Ukraine, and the only thing stopping them was people's resistance to the rewriting of history - and shirking of responsibility. Orange "Revolution" was a long-awaited victory for these folks, FINALLY they've managed to blame USSR for the poor condition of Ukraine without repercussions, and with nobody to oppose thme for it. But even Kuchma, Ukraine's 1990s president, was spreading SBU-manufactured nonsense from the archives about how Soviet army was invading Ukrainian village where Kuchma was born and genocided everyone - except Kuchma's family. He was very small boy back thne and saw the huge fires on the horizon, lmao.
Russia is exactly the same in this regard, but the statecraft reponsibilities prevent Russia from fullblown historic nihilism
>>2578571Communists didn't care about nationalism one fucking bit. Nationalism is a bourgeois lie, anyway, there is no *real* difference between nationalities, every difference is superficial and, if need be, easily correctible
>>2578401All the ones I've looked into like that American are just working in labour battalions. At risk of getting bombed but hardly fighting on the frontline.
>>2578643>just fix nationalism lmao 4headt. Anon that will get his communist project ruined by nationalists
>>2578157
Modern tankers and cargo ships are very hard to sink. Those hits are near the engineering spaces so it might be a write off if there was internal fires, but it doesn't look like anything more than some fuel leaked and burned.
>>2578094The Poles are just getting in on the NATO sadism jerk-off now they are a "senior" member due to the rest of Europe being revealed as a paper tiger.
>>2578571Engel's take was bad (I didn't fucking stutter), because identity politics begets identity politics, liberal (by 1850's standards) ethnonationalism wasn't going to sweep away monarchies, and liberal nations aren't in a hurry to become socialist.
Cheering for 1848 libs is complete goobery, anyway.
>>2576427bruh they still call people assadist toadies and genocide deniers over fake gas attacks while condemning maduro as a dictator
>>2578105"if russia wants the war to end they can just go home" etc
>>2578165>and going to be extremely surprised by coming events.they wont. they will blame trump and declare it an abberation rather than a material consequence of imperialism running against the falling rate of profit and hollowing out its own industry making it incapable of the expansion necessary for its survival, not to mention the finite territory that exists. neh wins again and people stay asleep
The Ukrainian State was installed by German military authorities after the socialist-leaning Central Council of the Ukrainian People's Republic was dispersed on 28 April 1918. Ukraine turned into a provisional dictatorship of Hetman of Ukraine Pavlo Skoropadskyi, who outlawed all socialist-oriented political parties, creating an anti-Bolshevik front. It collapsed in December 1918, when Skoropadskyi was deposed and the Ukrainian People's Republic returned to power in the form of the Directorate.
On 29 April 1918, a coup d'etat toppled the Ukrainian People's Republic and Skoropadsky became Hetman of Ukraine. The coup d'état had been sanctioned by the Imperial German Army, which in the spring of 1918 had occupied Kyiv and other parts of Ukraine. While living in Weimar Germany, Skoropadsky maintained close personal friendships with senior government and army officials originating as far back as his military-college days. His movement continued into the early 1980s, influencing a Ukrainian monarchist program based on the Cossack State model.
In Paris, Petliura directed the activities of the government of the Ukrainian National Republic in exile. He launched the weekly Tryzub, and continued to edit and write numerous articles under various pen names with an emphasis on questions dealing with national oppression in Ukraine.
Petliura is considered a controversial figure connected with the pogroms of Jews during his rule of the Ukrainian National Republic. According to Peter Kenez, "before the advent of Hitler, the greatest mass murder of Jews occurs in the Ukraine in the course of the Civil War. All participants in the conflict were guilty of murdering Jews, even the Bolsheviks; however the Volunteer Army had the largest number of victims." The number of Jews killed during the period is estimated to be between 35,000 and 50,000. A total of 1,236 violent attacks on Jews had been recorded between 1918 and 1921 in Ukraine.
For part of the Western Ukrainian diaspora, Petliura is remembered as a national hero, a fighter for Ukrainian independence, a martyr, who inspired hundreds of thousands to fight for an independent Ukrainian state. Almost the entire commanding staff of the Ukrainian State armed forces consisted of officers of the former Imperial Russian Army.
In the 1920s, Poland's authorities had closed Ukrainian schools and failed to fulfill the promise of national autonomy for Ukrainians. Tadeusz Hołówko, an advocate of concessions to the Ukrainian minority, was assassinated by the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) to prevent Polish-Ukrainian rapprochement.
In the early 1930s, OUN members carried out over 60 successful or attempted assassinations, many of them directed against Ukrainians who disagreed with the OUN's policies (for example a respected pedagogue Ivan Babij).
On 15 June 1934, Poland's Minister of the Interior, Bronisław Pieracki, was also assassinated by the faction led by Stepan Bandera within the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.
With the outbreak of war between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1941, many nationalists in Ukraine thought that they would have an opportunity to create an independent country once again. An entire Ukrainian volunteer division of the SS had been created.
The primary goal of OUN was "the rebirth, of setting everything in order, the defense and the expansion of the Independent Council of Ukrainian National State." The OUN also revived the sentiment that "Ukraine is for Ukrainians." In 1943, the UPA adopted a policy of massacring and expelling the Polish population. The ethnic cleansing operation against the Poles began on a large scale in Volhynia in late February, or early spring, of that year and lasted until the end of 1944. 11 July 1943 was one of the deadliest days of the massacres, with UPA units marching from village to village, killing Polish civilians. On that day, UPA units surrounded and attacked 99 Polish villages and settlements in the counties of Kowel, Horochów, and Włodzimierz Wołyński. On the following day, 50 additional villages were attacked. On 30 June 1941, the OUN, led by Stepan Bandera, declared an independent Ukrainian state.
In 1928, Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) , as formed in Prague. It was led by WW1 veterans in Western Europe and younger nationalists in western Ukraine known as Galicia.
After the OUN leader was killed in 1938, the organization split into two factions, led by Andriy Melnyk and Stepan Bandera respectively. They both called themselves the OUN, but the OUN(m) and OUN(b), also written OUN-M and OUN-B, denotes their factions
In April 1944 Stepan Bandera and his deputy Yaroslav Stetsko were approached by Otto Skorzeny to discuss plans for diversions and sabotage against the Soviet Army.
Stetsko's book "Two Revolutions" (1951) is the ideological cornerstone of the Neo-Nazi party All-Ukrainian Union "Svoboda". The essence of this doctrine is: "the revolution will not end with the establishment of the Ukrainian state, but will go on to establish equal opportunities for all people to create and share material and spiritual values and in this respect the national revolution is also a social one".
It was an appropriately somber day that I finally made the trip to South Bound Brook, New Jersey to visit the grave of the Ukrainian nationalist leader Mykola Lebed —a Nazi collaborator and war criminal who worked for the CIA throughout the Cold War — and the memorial he helped establish at St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery.
Thirty-five years ago, in 1984, his longtime partner in crime Ivan Hrinioch, a Greek Catholic priest with ties to Nazis and Vatican intelligence “led a procession of hundreds of Ukrainians to the unveiling and blessing of [this] memorial dedicated to the unknown soldiers of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA).” After the war, the CIA recruited Hrinioch as its principal agent in early postwar Ukrainian operations
According to accepted propaganda, UPA, formed in 1943, heroically fought both the Nazis and Soviets as the partisan militant leg of the OUN(b), the fanatical Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists led by Stepan Bandera.
In reality, the UPA prioritized the mass murder of Poles and Jews behind Nazi lines in western Ukraine before it terrorized Ukrainian “traitors” and “collaborators” under Soviet occupation.
The OUN in Galicia was in conflict with the Polish state in the 1930s, waging a terrorist campaign of bombings and assassinations. During the Second World War the OUN fought a vicious struggle against the Armia Krajowa (Home Army) resistance group for the control of Galicia, a region the OUN saw as part of the future Ukrainian state it wished to establish. Because of this background, Polish emigre groups shunned the ABN, which was regarded as a vehicle for the anti-Polish OUN.
Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations (ABN) was an international organization founded as a coordinating center for anti-communist and nationalist émigré political organizations from Soviet and other socialist countries. The ABN formation dates back to a conference of representatives of non-Russian peoples that took place in November 1943, near Zhytomyr as the Committee of Subjugated Nations/the Anti-Bolshevik Front on the initiative of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.
The goal of the ABN was to remove communists from power, abolish the Soviet Union and divide it into national states. Given an organizational structure in Munich in 1946 sponsored by MI6, the ABN extended its range of activity and began to include Eastern European emigration from other countries apart from Ukraine.
ABN chairman Yaroslav Stetsko, who prided Ukrainians as pioneers of antisemitism in 1939, declared his allegiance with Hitler in 1941, and began to agitate for World War III no later than 1946. Stetsko, who all but explicitly called for the United States to launch a surprise nuclear strike on Soviet Russia during the Cold War (believing World War 3 to be “inevitable” and necessary), wrote an article that appeared in an OUN affiliated Canadian publication in 1939 in which he prided Ukrainians as “the first people in Europe to understand the corrupting work of Jewry.” Two years later, he endorsed “the expedience of bringing German methods of exterminating Jewry to Ukraine.”
In its founding statement in April 1946, the ABN declared "Bolshevism is the criminal theory and practice of terroristic nonparty dictatorship which excluded even the slightest bit of freedom, democracy and nationality". The ABN declared that the Soviet Union to be the "prison of nations", and announced that the break-up of the Soviet Union was its principle goal. As a part of its critique of the USSR, the ABN identified the Soviet Union with Russia, presenting Soviet policies as merely a continuum of the policies of Imperial Russia.
The ABN presented Russians as biologically different from the rest of humanity, portraying the Russians as having a genetic predisposition towards extreme violence and aggression. The ABN argued that the peoples of Eastern Europe were white and thus had a "natural" love of freedom while the Russians were portrayed as having a "natural" inclination towards cruel despotism owning to an unfortunate infusion of Asian genes going back to the Mongol conquest of Russia in the 13th century. Because of what the ABN argued was this biological difference between the white peoples of Eastern Europe vs. the Russians whose Asian genes had deformed them, the ABN excluded Russia from the list of nations it wished to liberate. Throughout its existence, the ABN equated Russians and Communism as one and the same, engaging in propaganda that sought to "demonize" Russians as an utterly evil people for whom no redemption was possible.
The ABN envisioned a federation of independent states in eastern Europe after it broke up the Soviet Union to be called the "New Order". All of these states were to be "ethnically pure" with no place for minorities. As such, all of the minorities were to "return" to their proper homelands once the "New Order" was established. In particular, there was to be no place for Jews, who were portrayed as an "alien" people who did not belong in any of the envisioned states. The OUN was described by the historian Anna Holian as a "deeply anti-Semitic" group, citing the OUN's resolution at its Second Great Congress in 1941 that it "combats Jews as the prop of the Muscovite-Bolshevik regime".
In 1946–1947, the OUN-B's secret police, the Sluzhba Bezpeky conducted with Anglo-American support, Operation Ohio, an assassination campaign in the Displaced Persons' camps in western Germany. The victims were suspected Soviet agents, members of rival Ukrainian groups, and those who knew too much about the collaborationist background of the ABN's leaders.
In 1950, Stetsko hosted an ABN conference in Edinburgh funded by MI6 that was attended by several collaborators such as Alfrēds Bērziņš of Latvia; Dr. Stanislaw Stankievich who had headed the Belorussian National Council; and Kajum Khan of the National Turkestan Unity Committee. Representing Romania at the conference was the Legion of the Archangel Michael (better known as the Iron Guard); Bulgaria the Bulgarian National Front and Croatia members of the Ustaše. The conference attracted much publicity in Britain, most of it very favorable.
In 1959, the ABN's American branch successfully lobbied Congress to proclaim the public holiday of Captive Nations week and to declare American support for independence for all of the "captive nations" as defined by the ABN. In several states in the Northeast and the Midwest, there were sufficient concentrations of voters influenced by the ABN to give the movement a degree of power as a lobbying group. The American Vice President, Richard Nixon, was visiting Moscow at the time the resolution was passed, and the Soviet leader, Nikita Khrushchev, was extremely angry about the resolution. Khrushchev asked Nixon how it was possible for him to negotiate with a nation that just proclaimed the break-up of his country as its foreign policy goal.
From 1962 onward, the ABN worked closely with Lady Birdwood, described as the "largest individual distributor of racist and antisemitic material" in Britain. The leader of the British branch of the European Freedom Council, founded in 1967, was Lady Birdwood. The ABN activists in Britain who worked with Lady Birdwood expressed anti-Semitic and far-right views.
In the 1968 election, a Hungarian-American ABN activist, Laszlo Pasztor who began his political career as a student activist for the Arrow Cross while attending university in his native Hungary, campaigned hard for the Republican candidate, Richard Nixon. Pasztor had been convicted of crimes against humanity in Hungary in 1946 for his role in the Holocaust in Hungary as he served as a diplomat for the short-lived Arrow Cross regime of 1944-45 in Berlin. In 1969, Nixon rewarded Pasztor by creating the Republican Heritage Groups Council of the Republican National Committee with Pasztor as its first chairman.
On 20 July 1988, the Republican candidate for the presidency, Vice President George H.W. Bush, spoke at an ABN rally in the company of a Ukrainian emigre and OUN/ABN member, Bohdan Fedorak. Fedorak, who served as president of Ukrainians for Bush, organized the rally at the Ukrainian Cultural Center in Warren, Michigan. At the rally, Fedorak denounced the Office of Special Investigations (OSI), which was in charge of investigating and deporting Nazi war criminals from the United States.
[…]After Askold Lozynskyj became the president of the UWC in addition to the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America (UCCA)—taken over by the “Liberation Front” in 1980—the conservative Ukrainian American columnist Myron Kuropas, who himself used to be associated with a rival faction of the OUN, opined that Lozynskyj is “someone I have known (and disagreed with) for decades. He is bright, brash, articulate (often given to demagoguery), thoroughly bilingual and dynamic. I have watched him mature over the years from a firebrand Banderite to a more nuanced Banderite.” Over twenty years later, Kuropas has said, “In retrospect I don't see Askold maturing for the better politically. He seems to still follow Bandera's dictum that ‘those who are not with us are against us.’ He still seems to push for OUN-B domination of the Ukrainian American community.” Of course, the transnational OUN-B’s goals extend far beyond the United States, but the Ukrainian American community and its allies in Washington are an important asset for the Bandera cultists in their perpetual struggle to take over Ukraine.
[…]Ivan Dmytryk, a Suchasnist contributor, is among the forty other UPA veterans buried in South Bound Brook, New Jersey. In addition to Lebed, Prokop, and Lopatinsky, the same goes for at least three other members of the zpUHVR: Bohdan Kruk, Mykola Haliw, and Lev Shankovsky. This means at least a handful of CIA assets were buried here, and perhaps significantly more. It’s certainly possible that a large share of those buried in the UPA section of St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery were affiliated with the CIA-backed zpUHVR, as opposed to the Bandera/Stetsko-led ZChOUN/OUN(b).
According to Stephen Dorril, Bohdan Kruk was “sometimes referred to as the Director of the UPA [Medical Service and/or OUN(b)] Red Cross,” led the OUN-UPA effort to “pacify the [Galician] countryside” of “Soviet partisan activity” in late 1943, and was an early member of the zpUHVR. Kruk participated in the UPA’s 1947 “Great Raid to the West,” that is, the American Zone of occupied Germany, from which he and others eventually resettled in the United States and elsewhere. Mykola Haliw’s grave has “zpUHVR” on the tombstone, and declassified CIA files indicate the Agency had some sort of interest in him, at least in 1962.
“OUN historian” Lev Shankovsky, another early member of the zpUHVR, and a “special correspondent” for Suchasnist, joined an AERODYNAMIC “Psychological Warfare Panel” chaired by Mykola Lebed in the 1950s. Among other things, it was tasked to “begin a systematic collection of names of personalities in the Ukraine who the panel feels have been designated as Soviet ‘sleepers’ in the Ukraine. In the event of a hot war and should the Ukraine be occupied by a Western power, these people will propagate the Soviet cause.” (During World War 2, Lebed supplied Nazis the names of Polish professors who were then shot.) In 1960, Shankovsky declared that organized anti-Semitism “never existed in Ukraine. But there exists a myth about Ukrainian anti-Semitism.”<The body was too long>
Also buried among the Ukrainian Insurgent Army veterans at St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery in South Bound Brook, New Jersey is the late chairman of its UPA “memorial building committee,” Julian Kotlar, a former executive publisher and vice-chair of “Litopys UPA.” The latter began as a revisionist history project “published jointly by two UPA veterans’ organizations,” one Canadian and the other from the United States. In the 1970s, the CIA was happy to report that “many student groups and intellectuals [in North America] have established close ties” with the zpUHVR, which was then affiliated with the Association of Former Members of the UPA in the US and Canada, plus two obscure “civic organizations [the Association for Free Ukraine and Ukrainian-Canadian Society]…which have branches in various cities in both countries.” A former head of the Litopys UPA “publication committee” and “the so-called ‘spiritus movens’ behind the entire endeavor,” Dr. Modest Ripeckyj of Chicago, was (formerly, if not actively) a member of the Ukrainian Supreme Liberation Council. “I don’t know how the heck we are going to proceed, because he was extremely important to the project,” a leader of the Canadian UPA veteran society said when Ripeckyj died in 2004.
That being said, Litopys UPA and the organized UPA vets were probably more influenced by the OUN(b) than the zpUHVR. By 2001, the “Chronicle of the UPA” found a new friend in the notoriously problematic Volodymyr Viatrovych, who is affiliated with the present-day OUN(b). If not already, he was soon made the deputy director of a “Litopys UPA Publishing House” in Lviv, and in 2002 became the director of an OUN(b) “Center for Research of the Liberation Movement,” also in Lviv. As it were, the archives of the zpUHVR’s Prolog Research Corporation, which shut down in 1992, are today at the OUN(b) Research Center. From 2008 to 2010, Viatrovych directed the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU)’s archives, after which Harvard University’s Ukrainian Research Institute invited him to study Mykola Lebed’s papers. Following the 2013–2014 “Revolution of Dignity,” Viatrovych was appointed to head the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance. In 2015, he participated in several events with Ukrainian-American leaders honoring Stepan Bandera and the OUN-UPA in the United States.[…]
Lebed retired in 1975 but remained an adviser and consultant to Prolog and the ZP/UHVR. Roman Kupchinsky, a Ukrainian journalist who was a one-year-old when the war ended, became Prolog’s chief in 1978. In the 1980s AERODYNAMIC’s name was changed to QRDYNAMIC and in the 1980s PDDYNAMIC and then QRPLUMB. In 1977 President Carter’s National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski helped to expand the program owing to what he called its “impressive dividends” and the “impact on specific audiences in the target area.” In the 1980s Prolog expanded its operations to reach other Soviet nationalities, and in a supreme irony, these included dissident Soviet Jews.110 With the USSR teetering on the brink of collapse in 1990, QRPLUMB was terminated with a final payout of $1.75 million. Prolog could continue its activities, but it was on its own financially.
In June 1985 the General Accounting Office mentioned Lebed’s name in a public report on Nazis and collaborators who settled in the United States with help from U.S. intelligence agencies. The Office of Special Investigations (OSI) in the Department of Justice began investigating Lebed that year. The CIA worried that public scrutiny of Lebed would compromise QRPLUMB and that failure to protect Lebed would trigger outrage in the Ukrainian émigré community. It thus shielded Lebed by denying any connection between Lebed and the Nazis and by arguing that he was a Ukrainian freedom fighter. The truth, of course, was more complicated. As late as 1991 the CIA tried to dissuade OSI from approaching the German, Polish, and Soviet governments for war-related records related to the OUN. OSI eventually gave up the case, unable to procure definitive documents on Lebed. Mykola Lebed, Bandera’s wartime chief in Ukraine, died in 1998. He is buried in New Jersey, and his papers are located at the Ukrainian Research Institute at Harvard University.
The Soviet Union’s secret police, the infamous KGB, praised her savvy and erudition, even as she frustrated their attempts to spy on her in Cold War Ukraine. They tagged her with the code name Frida. But today we know Chrystia Freeland as Canada’s Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance. What business, the Kyiv newspaper Pravda Ukrainy asked, did someone from Edmonton have leading a civic organization for the preservation of the Ukrainian language in Ukraine? Why did someone in Ukraine to study Ukrainian spend so little time doing so at the university sponsoring her visit – and why study when, as the televised rallies at which she spoke time and again clearly showed, she spoke the language flawlessly?
Ms. Freeland’s time in the Soviet Union came to an end when customs agents at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport, tipped off by the KGB, searched her luggage as she returned from a trip to London and found anti-Soviet materials. Even more worrying, they discovered a veritable how-to guide for running an election destined for use by non-Communist Party candidates campaigning for Ukrainian independence in the Soviet Union’s first-ever free elections. She was denied re-entry on March 31, 1989.
According to the KGB, Ms. Freeland was more than just an agitator for, as Col. Stroi derisively put it, “the liberation of Ukraine” who coerced Soviet citizens into staging marches and rallies to attract Western support. She delivered cash, video- and audio-recording equipment, and even a personal computer to her contacts in Ukraine. Ever since Canadian Banderites succeeded Lozynskyj as the presidents of the UWC and ICSU in 2008 and 2013, respectively, both international organizations have been headquartered in Toronto. Eugene Czolij, former president of the OUN-B’s international Ukrainian Youth Association (Спілка української молоді, CYM) and more recently the Ukrainian Canadian Congress (UCC), became the new president of the UWC in 2008. He was succeeded by Paul Grod, another UCC leader and fellow “CYMivtsi,” in 2018.
Those “elections” to the World Congress saw Stefan Romaniw, longtime chairman of the Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organizations and former CYM leader in Australia, named general secretary and then first vice president of the UWC. In 2009, the year Romaniw became the new global OUN-B leader, he spoke at an event at Stepan Bandera’s grave in Munich honoring that year as the 100th anniversary of his birth, as did Lozynskyj and Czolij. Three years later in Munich, Czolij addressed an ICSU conference, held in part to honor the belated 100th birthday of the late Yaroslav Stetsko—Bandera’s deputy, ideologist, and successor, who was likewise a fascist war criminal, Nazi collaborator, and anti-Semite.
After the 2013-14 “Euromaidan” (aka the “Revolution of Dignity”) in Kyiv, Russia’s annexation of Crimea, and the spark of an armed conflict in eastern Ukraine between the new Western-backed Ukrainian government and Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas, the Atlantic Council launched its Ukraine in Europe Initiative following a visit to the United States by Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the new Prime Minister of Ukraine. Part of that initiative included the AC’s “UkraineAlert” newsletter, for which Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty’s Irena Chalupa shortly became a leading contributor. Although she briefly conceded in an article that year that Bandera collaborated with Nazi Germany, Chalupa has apparently never publicly acknowledged that before her stint with the US broadcaster RFE/RL, she worked for Stetsko in the OUN-B’s Cold War-era international headquarters building in Munich.[…]
https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/bandera-and-the-atlantic-councilhttps://banderalobby.substack.com/p/the-canadian-bandera-networkhttps://historicly.substack.com/p/a-nazi-memorial-in-new-jerseyhttps://www.archives.gov/files/iwg/reports/hitlers-shadow.pdfhttps://cryptome.org/2016/01/cia-ua-aerodynamic.pdfhttps://www.forumdaily.com/en/operaciya-aerodinamika-kak-cru-iskalo-ukraincev-s-antisovetskimi-nastroeniyami/https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Bolshevik_Bloc_of_Nationshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalistshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_nationalismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlo_Skoropadskyihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symon_Petliurahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Lebedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Stetskohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Lozowyhttps://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/12/ukraine-the-cias-75-year-old-proxy/https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/06/09/how-pre-ww-ii-ukrainian-fascists-pioneered-brutal-terror-techniques-later-improved-by-cia-now-ironically-taught-to-descendants/https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/06/10/how-monsters-who-had-beaten-jews-to-death-with-hammers-in-1944-became-americas-favorite-freedom-fighters-in-1945-with-a-little-help-from-their-friends-at-cia/https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/07/29/what-the-u-s-government-and-the-new-york-times-have-quietly-agreed-not-to-tell-you-about-ukraine/The CIA: 70 years in Ukraine (excerpt from, The CIA As Organized Crime by Doug Valentine)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqJZP6FFXWQThe Hidden History of the Cold War: Anti-Fascist Archive #1 & 2 w/ Dave Emory (1984)
The formation of guerilla groups established by the Nazis during the war’s closing days in order to fight against the Soviet Union; the adoption of the Nazi guerrilla groups by the CIA and other Western intelligence agencies; the fierce warfare conducted by the fascist guerillas (under Western sponsorship) in Poland and the former Soviet Union until 1953; the incorporation of the Nazi Eastern Front intelligence organization into the CIA (under the stewardship of its wartime head, General Reinhard Gehlen); the role of SS veterans in the formation of the Green Berets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvgEo98Q81I&list=PLBINnEpNu5u4YuRyDM-BjM_Wa_X-y_KH2hundreds of video and image documentation of fascism in ukraine
https://archive.ph/DAtnK https://twitter.com/DaniMayakovski/status/1497671602523279362TrueAnon interview with Moss Robeson (banderalobby.substack.com)
>>>/leftypol_archive/541081 The Farm interview with Moss Robeson (banderalobby.substack.com)
>>>/leftypol_archive/505047World Anti-Communist League, WACL, Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, ABN, Ukraine, OUN-B, Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Yaroslav Stetsko, Stepan Bandera, CIA, MI6, Gehlen Org, BND, Nazis, Spas T. Raikin, Otto Skorzeny, Alfred Rosenberg, HUAC, stay-behind operations, KGB, assassinations
more links and pdfs for books
>>>/edu/9955>Near Drohobych and Boryslav in Galicia, significant oil reserves were discovered and developed during the mid 19th and early 20th centuries. The first European attempt to drill for oil was in Bóbrka in western Galicia in 1854. By 1867, a well at Kleczany, in Western Galicia, was drilled using steam to about 200 meters. On December 31, 1872, a railway line linking Borysław (now Boryslav) with the nearby city of Drohobycz (now Drohobych) was opened. American John Simon Bergheim and Canadian William Henry McGarvey came to Galicia in 1882. Subsequently, investors from Britain, Belgium, and Germany established companies to develop the oil and natural gas industries in Galicia. This influx of capital caused the number of petroleum enterprises to shrink from 900 to 484 by 1884, and to 285 companies by 1890.Production increased by 50% between 1905 and 1906 and then trebled between 1906 and 1909 because of unexpected discoveries of vast oil reserves of which many were gushers. By 1909, production reached its peak at 2,076,000 tons or 4% of worldwide production. Often called the "Polish Baku", the oil fields of Borysław and nearby Tustanowice accounted for over 90% of the national oil output of the Austria-Hungary Empire. Production increased by 50% between 1905 and 1906 and then trebled between 1906 and 1909 because of unexpected discoveries of vast oil reserves of which many were gushers. By 1909, production reached its peak at 2,076,000 tons or 4% of worldwide production. Often called the "Polish Baku", the oil fields of Borysław and nearby Tustanowice accounted for over 90% of the national oil output of the Austria-Hungary Empire. From 500 residents in the 1860s, Borysław had swollen to 12,000 by 1898. In 1909, Polmin with headquarters in Lviv was established for the extraction and distribution of natural gas. At the turn of the century, Galicia was ranked fourth in the world as an oil producer. 'Galicia was the Central Powers' only major domestic source of oil during the Great War. The Galician Soviet Socialist Republic was a short-lived, self-declared Bolshevik political entity that existed from 15 July to formally 21 September 1920 with the capital in the city of Tarnopol. The communist state was established during a successful counter-offensive of the Red Army in the summer of 1920 as part of the Polish-Soviet War and in the course of which the Polish-Ukrainian joint military force (Polish Ukrainian Front) was forced to retreat from its positions along the Dnieper that it secured earlier in 1920 all the way to the foothills of the Carpathian Mountains.The communist government moved to Tarnopol (today Ternopil) in Eastern Galicia on 1 August 1920 upon occupation of the region by the Red Army. The same day the Halrevkom adopted a decree "About establishing of Soviet power in Galicia". The national languages (of equal status) were declared to be Polish, Ukrainian and Yiddish. With its decrees, the communist government abolished private ownership of the means of production, established an eight-hour workday, separated church from state and nationalised church estates, established a single labour school with seven-year education, and nationalised the land.
>On the basis of a secret clause of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, the Soviet Union invaded Poland on September 17, 1939, capturing the eastern provinces of the Second Polish Republic. Lwów (present-day Lviv), the capital of the Lwów Voivodeship and the principal city and cultural center of the region of Galicia, was captured and occupied by September 22, 1939 along with other provincial capitals including Tarnopol, Brześć, Stanisławów, Łuck, and Wilno to the north. The eastern provinces of interwar Poland were inhabited by an ethnically mixed population, with ethnic Poles as well as Polish Jews dominant in the cities, and ethnic Ukrainians dominating the countryside and overall. These lands now form the backbone of modern Western Ukraine and West Belarus.
On June 22, 1941 Operation Barbarossa began, and western Ukraine was captured within weeks. Prior to retreating, the Soviet authorities, unwilling to evacuate prisoners, chose to kill all inmates whether or not they had committed major or minor crimes and whether or not they were held for political reasons. Estimates of the number of people killed vary from 15,000 to 40,000. Due to the brutality of the Soviet administration, many Ukrainians initially welcomed the German invasion. On June 30, 1941, Ukrainian nationalist commandos under German command captured Lviv which had been evacuated by Soviet forces and declared an independent state allied with Nazi Germany. This movement was quashed by the Germans, who split up western Ukraine. Galicia, which had once been part of Austria, was made part of the General Government together with occupied Poland, while Volhynia was split off and attached to the Reichskommissariat Ukraine. In August 1945, Poland and the USSR signed a border treaty formally recognizing the new frontier between them. According to this treaty, much of prewar Eastern Galicia was incorporated into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, while Poland was compensated with lands in the west.
>>2578672Engels and Marx were right about 1848 and you are just a butthurt nationalist who cant face his country's reactionary history.
>>2578763>>2578764I tried to save this on pastebin and got this message
>Pastebin’s SMART filters have detected potentially offensive or questionable content in your Paste.>The content you are trying to publish has been deemed potentially offensive or questionable by our filters, because of this you’re receiving this warning.>This Paste can only be published with the visibility set to "Private".>The content you are trying to publish has been deemed potentially offensive or questionable by our filters, because of this you’re receiving this warning.>This Paste can only be published with the visibility set to "Private". I'm seeing this new inane talking point from NAFO: "If Zelensky is corrupt, why didn't Putin just pay him?" I've also seen a number of pro-Z replies to it along the lines of Zelensky being ideologically corrupt, NATO paying more, etc. But honestly, a simple "no u" approach shuts them up fast: "If Putin is corrupt, why didn't NATO just pay him?"
>>2578891 (me)
Not that I think Putin is by any means squeaky clean, btw.
>>2578909no, it's a catboy inflation fetish website
>>2578924wtf I love ikea now
>>2578924>making a peace plan is actually killing peaceimpressive
>>2578946
Trump is one of those imperialist countries anon. The slaughter of proles end only when its not worth the sacrifice, that is, making lotsa moneyyy
Ziozizters… Anti-Imperialist wishes with ZIGGER characteristics really do come true!
>Russia: Marxists face 20-year sentences for studying Lenin’s “State and Revolution”! <A new peak of anti-communist repression is unfolding in today's Russia. On 25 November 2025, during the closing hearings at the Central Military Court of the Yekaterinburg District, the prosecution demanded 20 to 24 years in a high-security penal colony for the members of a Marxist study circle in the city of Ufa, accusing them of “terrorism” and “conspiracy to overthrow the government.”<The five defendants, detained since February 2022, reject all charges and have reported torture during their interrogation. Their legal ordeal has now lasted nearly two years, with the first court session held in December 2023.<The Marxist group had been active since 2016. One of its later members, Sergei Shapozhnikov — a former fighter in the armed formations of the so-called “Donetsk People’s Republic” who subsequently received Russian citizenship — informed the FSB that the circle was supposedly “waiting for an unstable situation to seize power and kill police officers and politicians.” No material evidence was ever provided to support these claims.<Instead, the court instructed a panel of “experts” to evaluate whether the group’s lectures and reading material could be considered “terrorist activity.” Their conclusion reveals the true nature of the prosecution: they declared Lenin’s foundational work “State and Revolution” to be a “terrorist manual.”<The report goes so far as to argue that discussing socialist revolution, Soviets and workers’ power constitutes proof of extremism, asserting that the very “lexicographical meaning of the word ‘revolution’” demonstrates a violent intention to overthrow the state. On the basis of this pseudo-scientific interpretation, the prosecution now demands multi-decade prison sentences.<This judicial persecution is unfolding in the same Russia whose leadership claims to be conducting an “anti-fascist war,” and which every 9 May attempts to appropriate the legacy of the Anti-Fascist Victory of the USSR over Nazism — a victory achieved by the socialist system that today is being criminalised.<The scandal has already provoked international condemnation. On 10 March 2025, the Communist Party of Greece (KKE) sent an official protest letter to the Russian Embassy in Athens, denouncing this blatantly political and anti-democratic prosecution.<What is at stake here goes far beyond five militants in Ufa. It is the criminalisation of Marxist theory itself — and the attempt to turn Lenin’s “State and Revolution” from a historical and political work into an “act of terrorism.” The repression of revolutionary ideas is always a sign of a system in crisis. And no prison sentence has ever succeeded in stopping them.https://www.idcommunism.com/2025/11/russia-marxists-face-20-year-sentences-for-studying-lenins-state-and-revolution.html>>2579041
Reactionary Zigger cope justifying the unjustifiably
>>2579106
>russia has jews and basically that is bad
This thread gets more and more pathetic with each passing year. Absolute boomerbrained, those Ben Garrison cartoons you post are probably unironic even.
>>2579114and yet, you come in to post.
interdasting.
>>2579153
>Prigozhin
last time I checked, Mao didn't plan to capitulate to Imperial Japan
>>2579138
oh, and don't bring to him some serious facts:
>Ukrainians don't empathize one bit with Hamas. (You'll find more support across Russian society for Palestinians and Hamas in general)
>Zionists Russians oppose the SMO.
>Corrupt Ukrainians like mindich left Ukraine to live in Israel.
buy hey, what can a 'coping zigger' know about some facts, heh!
>>2579093
>ZIGGER zionist thinks reading Lenin in Ruzzia is ultra
Putin is still somebody who needs to be overthrown, you do realise.
He is not "our friend".
>>2579182We know, agent. But you don't understand - this is not a pro-Russian space that you need to turn against Russia.
This is an anti-Western space, and there is literally nothing you can say that will make us oppose Russia in this war. Give up.
>>2579185Then you are you defending Putin and not seeing this war from an entirely materialist perspective, as all wars should?
>>2579186Don't use communist terms you don't understand. Especially while you are drunk.
>>2579179>imblying the zionist rag will tell you the truth behind that notemaybe next time you will bring me a based IDC article telling us how in Israel people read Lenin, and that's based.
>>25791861) we do, and from a materialist perspective Putin's Russia is a progressive force in this war in spite of Putin's internal reactionary policies
2) most criticism of Putin itt is so pathetic I have no choice but to "defend" him even though I have absolutely no love for him irl. when your best criticism of Putin is quote snipping like in
>>2579005 you're doing yourselves a disservice
>oh no, Ukraine is losing!
>do we increase shell production?
>nationalize the MIC?
>no, we must control the narrative online!
Listen to the sounds of your own extinction.
>>2579221I see goreposting hasn't changed in 80 years.
>>2579196>most criticism of Putin itt is so pathetic I have no choice but to "defend" him even though I have absolutely no love for him irl. Yeah, this.
<why isn't putin winning fast enough<why doesn't putin nuke lvov<why is putin killing THE WORKERS by waging war<why is does putin seek compromise instead of pushing all the way to lisbon<why isn't putin expanding the war by striking nato directlyAnd on and on. It's all so tiresome. And they're never, ever good faith questions or criticisms, just rhetorical bloviating.
>>2579182he is gonna get couped by a schizo monarchist so hard
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2gylngx7go
>Around 36 missiles and nearly 600 drones were launched on targets across Ukraine overnight, officials said, killing three and injuring dozens of others.
>Ukraine's Air Force said it shot down 558 of the drones and 19 of the missiles.I'm skeptical.
>>2579262At least the rate of advance has increased significantly when compared to earlier this year. Russia is reconquering the corridor in northern Kharkov, that it held in the first few months of the war, and in the next couple of days, will finally conclude the full capture of the very first oblast since the start of the war. One of the only real disappointments, is how slow the Sumy advance has been. By the time the battle for Lyman is over, in ~4 months, going by the timeline shown up to now, Russia will have entered the last key city in the Donbass, which should take 2 to 3 months to clear, which means Donbass will be fully under Russian control in around 6-8 months. Anyways, out of the predictions I had for this year, about only 40% came true.
>>2579196What quote snipping is there in the article?
Also hi from your Red Hellenic enemy.
>>2579138
Interestingly in Greece the KKE is often accused of being a pro-Russian party (because it opposes NATO, both rhetorically and in practice by blocking arm shipments).
I guess the lesson is that what is common between total fucking idiots, regardless of their chosen side, is the inability to imagine that it is possible to have multiple & varied enemies without all of them being allied/in the same camp.
Great. Fresh dogshit takes from KKE. Delivered right to my door.
>>2579711Delusional. You aren't worth even dogshit.
>>2579262The one thing I don't understand is why didn't a single one of those people ever invoke Lenin's idea that a big reason for imperialist war is simply denying the resources and markets as well as strategic positions to the enemy. That would make for a far more solid argument that Russia is imperialist since that's at least a better description of what's going on in Ukraine than the regular copes they have. My guess is none of them read Lenin, but some of them sure pretend to be very Leninist.
This is le interimperialist war
>>2579730Yes. And somehow, still more valuable than you.
>muh value
>>2579298Ukraine is bullet time Neo backwards falling all the Russian rokets
>>2579767any war undertaken by a capitalist government is imperialism
The new "Hamlet" you need to seethe/cope over is Chasiv Yar.
It’s the latest "decidedly material" domino in the dialectical chain reaction of this Special Military Operation. The bunker-posters on the front won't shut up about it. Why? Because when it falls (and it will, with the iron historical necessity of a Soviet tank column), the entire Ukrainian defensive line in Donetsk gets folded like a cheap suit from the GUM store.
Think of it as the hyper-objective, material keystone holding up the entire theater of absurdity they call "Ukraine." Once it's liberated, the spiritual-corporeal synthesis of the DPR/LPR can proceed. Kramatorsk and Sloviansk become untenable. The collapse won't be televised on CNN (they'll be too busy interviewing a genderless drone operator), but it will be felt in the boardrooms of BlackRock and the smoking dens of D.C.'s "consultants."
So get hyped, fellow materialist. Stock up on coping mechanisms. The taking of this hill will not just be a tactical victory; it will be a symphony of historical inevitability playing out to the rhythmic artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Another "hero city" myth will be punctured, another nail in the coffin of the neoliberal, post-Maidan construct.
The specter is haunting Donbas. And its name is Chasiv Yar.
(Now watch as the "soyjak" Western intel agencies scramble to explain how another "fortress" city was just a subjective idealist fantasy. Dialectics, baby.)
>>2579262><why isn't putin winning fast enoughAgreed. "Winning too slowly" is a retarded criticism. Some pro-Russian commentators like Lolcow Doctorow, Jim Jatras, etc., are making the argument that the slow speed in Ukraine is emboldening NATO and leading inexorably to a wider European war in a few years, but I think the criticism that covers this is one of the ones below.
><why doesn't putin nuke lvovYeah, ridiculous, but Spurdo won't be ignored! :-P
><why is putin killing THE WORKERS by waging warI mean, it DOES rub me the wrong way that Ukrainian elites aren't in any physical danger. There is obviously some kind of backroom or tacit agreement in play here.
><why is does putin seek compromise instead of pushing all the way to lisbonDiplomacy is fine, but there's no need to kiss Trump's ass, tolerate diplomatic insults, indulge America's sham mediator role while it still supplies weapons/intel, or stubbornly refuse to acknowledge America's big fat NO. And for fuck's sake, use experienced guys like Lavrov and Ryabkov, not fucking Dmitriev going around calling Trump daddy and handing out chocolates with Putin quotes on them.
><why isn't putin expanding the war by striking nato directlyI do believe it's a strategic mistake to allow NATO to bomb Russian soil (strategic assets, energy infrastructure, dead civilians, etc.) and fail to respond just because it's not affecting the Ukrainian battlefield in the Donbass. There are second-order effects to this on the global stage.
>>2579958I remember at list until September 2022, Putin seeked compromise, he was literally cuckmaxxing, he let a lot of stuff happen without responding, he will give NATO and Ukraine a lot of ways out.
But then he hardened his hear, recognized the oblasts as russia and from then on started being more serious.
I dont see why he needs to compromise now that ukraine has nothing to offer and urop is more irrelevant than ever…
>>2579950
It sounds tough, but then you read it, and it turns out they're talking about more cyber shit, more rapid attribution (finger-pointing), and more… drills.
>>2579886
They need men, not weapons.
You'll have to hope that something becomes of these US recruitment efforts in the Philippines and elsewhere. Or that NATO calls Putin's bluff and sends troops after sufficiently propagandizing an unwilling populace.
>>2579960Remember that cucktin isn't primarily afraid of what west will do, he is afraid of what the thirds world and brics countries will think if he starts pushing for total victory.
>>2579221translate it yourself
the AI translations suck ass
>>2579193>Zigger Zionist going no u when confronted with his reactionary ziggerismLol
>>2579196What part of the article is quote snipped exactly, ziozizter? Has Lenin become too ultra for you?
>>2579958>experienced guys like Lavrov and Ryabkov, not fucking Dmitriev going around calling Trump daddy and handing out chocolates with Putin quotes on them. Trvthnvke sadly. I have a feeling Trump simply likes "business" and the Russians sorta recognize this as his biggest weakness hence having a Trump bootlicker as their version of the friendly cop. But also simply corruption.
>>2579221>We dont bomb le cities because we arent le orcsThats so fucking pathetic
>>2579182We recognize that and so what? Does it make the threat of Nato or most western countries slowly turning towards some form of trumpism any less dangerous?
>>2579966its also just propaganda because it imply the west wasnt doing all that shit and is just starting to respond, rather than the truth of the west being the instigator and specialist of this kind of fuckery
>>2580011>no u>telling that a rag is a full cover for the zionist state of israel.>masquerading as communist>and for that reason you shouldn't take anything it says for granted.at this point you might as well tell me
sumetin' sumetin' Putin is bad according to the CIA and call me zionist while you are at it.
>>2579973>he is afraid of what the thirds world and brics countries will think if he starts pushing for total victory.If none of them say anything or cut ties with America after aggression toward Venezuela, might be time for Putin to revisit this assessment.
>>2580305
I've talked to Germans, complaining that they have towns now where social welfare is leaving people behind, roads without asphalt that once would take some few weeks to get renewed, now these roads take half a year or more to get some care. services like water or electricity taking more time to be repaired, much more unemployed people than never before.
that's the patriotic duty they were never told to do.
>>2580397we are in nuevo weimar just a few years of neoliberal shock treatment and we will get a new führer who promises to "fix" this place, and why bother going for your patriotic duties if the tax money is gonna get spent on bombs to be thrown on kids instead of hospitals, schools or pensioners or maybe extending public transit or anything but bombing fucking kids (though most germans dont care bout kids being bombed but are mad because "them damn foreigners take our money why are there refugees with iphones" instead about billionaires not paying taxes who take way more money than these refugees but who cares theyre german)
All Russia is doing is creating a Gaza that will do terrorist attacks against them till the end of their country
>>2580621
>No, that's neoliberalism and european union
that wasn't in 2022 and before.
>You think too much of your shithole
projecting, much?
>>2580623That's what demilitarization is gonna solve.
When will the US push some sort of "American People's Volunteers" thing.
>>2580681israel tried to demilitarize gaza and that failed miserably too, is it really a smart idea to turn an entire nation of tens of millions into your greatest enemy?
>>2580623>All Russia is doing is creating a Gaza that will do terrorist attacks against them till the end of their countryDon't give Russia all the credit, America's helping to do that, too.
>>2579806I never claimed I was valuable. Just that I am here to kill off degenerate filth like yourself & your family.
Γαμώ το σπίτι σου, χαμένο κορμί.
>>2580100
That many more lives need to be sacrificed in the inter-imperial meat grinder if there is to be amy hope of slapping the working class out of its post-soviet stupor is a foregone conclusion.
The role of the communist to engage in agitprop to lay out the various interests at play in a naked fashion, to organize & prepare for those days.
>>2580764Holy based Putin…
>>2580764>Wall Street Journalswindling market trends as usual
>>2580764treats for a second, humiliation for a lifetime (if true)
This is an interimperialist conflict.
>>2579262>Omits Cucktin refusing to do decapitation strikes against the nazisI wonder why. 🤔
>>2579221Proof that Stalin was a cuck for not smashing the Finnfash state, despite having had the opportunity twice!
>>2580898kys
>>2580793I am profoundly unintimidated by threats from revisionist pseudo-ultras, like KKE. Nor am I impressed by their tailism and pandering to reaction among proles by choosing to bitch about China.
KKE will follow the same fate as all tailists and revisionists. Greek anarchists are better. In fact, the chance of me purging you is higher than you purging me.
KKE more like KKK€ am I right fellas?
>>2580920Very nice. Now try to fly that UkSSR flag within Ukraine. :^)
>>2579762>some of them sure pretend to be very Leninist.This is what gets me the most. They claim to be upholding the true Lenin against Stalinist Tankie distortions but clearly have not read him or even Marx for that matter.
>>2579958>"Winning too slowly" is a retarded criticism.It could even accurately be reframed as killing more workers to cripple the western military further since they cant replace.
>>2580796Even then it reduces the potential for future wars. Every weapon sent to Ukraine is one less sent to Taiwan and Israel.
>>2581088America cannot restock its primary military equipment nearly as fast as before. Especially things like jets and tanks.
>>2581095>18 years to restock stinger missilesit's literally over
>>2581098Even Trump clowned on the MIC for bringing an overdesigned piece of shit, when they asked for a disposable drone.
>>2581106he looks like neoliberal lenin
Thread full.
Need baker.
>>2581106he, tsikhanouskaya, and guaido should all get killed.
>>2581070two statements true:
Ukrainians didn't oppose. If that were the case, residents wouldn't be receiving the soldiers in the areas they are advancing.
the ukrainian army was really destroyed in 2022's early summer/end of spring. the point that:
-Ukraine was supplied with billions in military aid.
-Ran 15 conscription calls, until zelya decided to pass a law that automatically renews itself
it's proof that the uaf was largely decimated logistically and lost its main combat equipment in the first two months.
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