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>>2581164always have been
>>2581172Pokrovsk Holds-ish!
millions of lenin statues must be restored
>>2581176They turned Lenin into Darth Vader, considering their hatred for Russian media perhaps Bandera statues can be remodelled to resemble the Ukrainian mobsters in Брат 2
>>2581246
>Test something
>It doesn’t work
Perfectly normal outcome, it’s why you perform tests
I was on my daily walk today, and I passed by a old Soviet prisoners war memorial as I always do on my route. Ever since the start of the war there's been a Ukrainian flag tied to it.
Over the years I have watched this flag getting more and more tattered, and washed out from the wind and rain as it hung there.
Today as I walked past it. I noticed it was no longer there.
Is this it? Is it over?
>>2581249Russians are running their country like a Elon Musk corporation lol
>>2581246
What are you talking about? Its macabre
>>2581246
What are you talking about? Russia has icbms.
>>2581271F-35s keep crashing on routine flights and every time the cause is stated to be improper maintenance or pilot error or something external system providing incorrect data to the on-board computer, never that the plane itself is fundamentally flawed because that ought to have been realised during testing.
>>2581293The US produced thousands of those planes, Russia doesn't even have a real production line for stealth planes, they barely were able to rediscover ancient soviet tech to make those supersonic bombers
>>2581293The greatest flaw of F35 was that the program tried to make the plane do everything. It would have been a good plane if the plane and it's logistics were just designed around the F35A model or something.
>>2581297>the US produced thousands of those planesAnd I suppose the good news is that’s indicative of it being cheap and attritional so wonky reliability isn’t such an issue
>super sekrit stealth plain>$100 million eachWelp!
>>2581298That combined with perhaps a pliable military and a for-profit business keen to stop investing in R&D and cashing in on contracts already would result in the circumstances where the plane is a huge success.. provided it is kept maintained to an acceptable level, and that the level is apparently impossible to achieve in practice is disregarded as a minor oversight.
>>2581304And start cashing in*
>>2581263It was never a question whether it was over. What most jackasses here always fail to understand, especially those who are pro-Ukraine , is that Russia was forced to invade. They never sought out to "win" the war; rather, they aimed to exhaust Ukraine and force them to reconsider their negotiation and bring back to the table (Nato and U.S promised they will give them all necessary resources, they didn't expect Ukraine would greatly miss handle them). NATO and the U . S. broke international law at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) by not promising to station U.S. outposts near Russian borders, which was, in all accounts, the whole goal. It fucking backfired for NATO, who followed blindly into U.S. rhetoric.
The war was already lost since last year, it's just in life support.
>>2581363
>Bad impulse control
Yesterday’s meme was mocking Putin for letting NATO repeatedly break its own promise against expansion until Ukraine, by which it was already far too late and Putin had successfully doomed Russia to isolation, military siege and probably collapse at some point.
You might have heard of the meme, it’s Cucktinism
>>2581320
This war feeds the nationalism - the biggest bourgeois psyop there is - of both camps and in doing so imposes class concord everywhere at once with even self claimed leftist bombastically thumping their chest about how their bourgeois dictatorship is doing good against evil. Westoids are happy, Ruzzionistas are happy, everybody is happy, the war must go on.
>>2581384
>illegal
<Curse these laws and the rules-based order! Clearly the dictatorships of the world are exploiting our values and civility to weaponise them against us! To survive in a world of savages, we must become the savages!
You all know it’s coming
>>2581398Only one of the people in that picture would go on to reveal their clever plan to use diplomacy to buy more time for militarisation, the other got mocked as completely unprepared for open conflict and had experts and think tanks banking on a perceived lack of military capability and a swift defeat
>MOSCOW, Dec 2 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russia did not want a war with European powers but that if Europe did want a war then Russia was ready right now to fight.
spicy
>>2581440
>NATO-led coalition
That would include Ukraine, the creator of the image is just telling us they don't care about Ukrainian casualties, which, no duh.
>>2581446Earlier this year in the middle east, before the ballistic missiles started flying overhead, Iran released part of a nuclear document leak they had acquired from Israel, which among many things included evidence of Israel helping build a covert nuclear program for an unnamed european nation. I assumed it was Germany, but it could very well have been Ukraine too. I don't exactly trust this grifter though
>>258116124 karat gold latoilet.
financed by the EU/US taxes. good job.
>>2581106he, tsikhanouskaya, and guaido should all get killed.
>>2581070two statements true:
Ukrainians didn't oppose. If that were the case, residents wouldn't be receiving the soldiers in the areas they are advancing.
the ukrainian army was really destroyed in 2022's early summer/end of spring. the point that:
-Ukraine was supplied with billions in military aid.
-Ran 15 conscription calls, until zelya decided to pass a law that automatically renews itself
it's proof that the uaf was largely decimated logistically and lost its main combat equipment in the first two months.
>>2581263I'll tell you when the local British M6 office or whatever it claims to be takes down its Ukrainian flag. Then you'll know it's over.
>>2581172wait, did they AI-edited the flag to change it into a ukrainian one? but their AI it's showing a flag moving with wind. there's no wind in that shot. plants are frozen still.
>>2581246you can show us yours, though.
>>2581456>but their AI it's showing a flag moving with wind.there's also cars in the background kek
>>2581451Getting an own nuclear deterrent was discussed in the liberal/neocon mainstream a while ago when they were panicking over the US potentially withdrawing from NATO and withdrawing their nukes from Germany, however the idea was dismissed iirc.
>>2581443if ukraine's already a part of nato what's russia so upset over
>>2581172That's new. They usually pretend it's unimportant.
>>2581458and regular civvies taking a stroll in a normal-day life.
>>2581466Ukraine was never intended to be part of NATO. They has initially applied in 2014, but was rejected.
>>2581477Ukraine just duct tapes 4 drones to a bomb and call it a nuke. This is fucking hysterical.
>>2581461personally, if I were germany, I'd be scrambling for nukes. do they really want to be junior partner to a nuclear france that would surely lead europe after the yanks fuck off? hard to believe but you'd know better than I of course
>>2581466Do you not understand what the word "led" means either?
>>2581466>if ukraine's already a part of nato what's russia so upset overin the legal space, no, they aren't. in the sense of sucking dry the boots of every US politician, and joining their wars with the same passion as one of the members, yes.
very distinct things, but necessary to clarify.
>>2581412Whatever you say, you will always lose to NAFOids OR cucktinists. You literally can't win on this "leftist" site.
>>2581487very bold of you to assume that that reactoid trolls are all burgers.
comments like these:
>>2581246 feel more like your regular baltoid belt butthurt people. the nations people with no identity, sucked into the anglosphere of influence, with demographic bleeding, always pointing that a nation that can blow them into smithereens
can't into things are easy to spot online,
too easy to spot. the unsubstituted resentment that helps them to fabricate a false reality it's the best tool to identify them.
>>2581448in reality russia is no bear, it's more like a retard running around with scissors - sooner or later someone's got to slap some sense into it as yet for the time being no one wants to be it
>>2581499No just ESL, dont bully
>>2581536Lel, do you have the original? Also does anyone have the montage video with a russian girl singing in the background? I think it started out with a bridge being hit.
>>2581540Putin is fucking retarded if he thinks that response is of any threat, also porkies in Russia currently discussing how they can exploit russian resources.
>>2581542He's talking Odessa of course. Much of the glue that holds Ukraine together is there and has been left untouched so far. There's a reason that the Brits and others continue Odessa prime real estate. If he follows through on his threat, which is always a crapshoot with Putin, this would be extremely damaging.
>>2581552>continue Odessaconsider Odessa*
>>2581552no black sea grain = more grain sold over land = european farmers riot to stop low prices again
>>2581557Yeah, the Black Sea grain deal (also known as the BS grain deal) was always controversial among hardcore Ziggas. Looks like gramps is finally going to reverse on that gesture of goodwill.
>>2581540lol, erdogan wanted the grain deal to restart. I guess this is a no.
well, their diplomatic team can thank the ukrainian chvds.
>>2581561Fuck Erdogan the two-faced SOB. Wouldn't be surprised if he greenlit the attacks on those tankers near Turkey.
>>2581564 (me)
…and even if he didn't, his silence speaks volumes.
The idea that "civilian deaths" are bad but any amount of "military deaths" is fine is yet another monstrous bourgeois lie that leftists uncritically accept, since after all, leftists are merely the left wing of capital.
300,000 human beings, mainly proletarians, have died as a result of this war. It doesn't matter if they were conscripts or volunteers or special forces or foreign mercenaries. None of that matters.
The bourgeoisie started a massacre that killed 300,000 people. A massacre that would have been avoidable as long there was proletarian resistance, led by communists who should be the foremost opposition to all this brutality. Fuck all you leftist psychopaths who keep cheering on this genocide.
>>2581637>300,000 human beingsAnon, I…
>>2581712nafo is a very interesting psychiatric case study. most of them are 40+ soyjaks from nato countries. what makes them like this? just russiagate or there's something else?
>>2581713You mean like beside the "scratched lib" phenomena and paid influencers?
>>2581718that makes a lot of sense. 20+ years of having to pretend that you're a tolerant liberal, and finally there's a conflict where you can freely let your fascist chauvinist juices flow with no social moderation at all.
>>2581707
Look at him. He obviously has some disgusting fetishes that the Americans know about.
>>2581650true, real communism is when you support a bourgeois nation sending workers to their deaths for profit because they oppose the other bourgeois nation you don't like
>>2581738>muh ukrainian neo nazis!!!!!!even if every singular ukrainian was a neo-nazi that's a failure created by bourgeois society, not something that justifies the slaughter, this goes both ways too
>>2581774Yeah, everybody knows lower classes are just cattle, that will think what they're told by the bourgeoisie, and hold no personal accountability or agency whatsoever.
Take off your red cloak, lib.
>>2581787yeah that's definitely what i'm saying rather than noting that this is literally the same cycle that created groups like the taliban and al-qaeda but let's pretend that this is an entirely liberal concern (rather than say, supporting a bourgeois nation state sending its population to die for profit)
>>2581713They spend their whole lives yearning to "own the ruskies" and since their boomer bodies are not exactly in their prime anymore; they get, as a consolation prize, to fight them online.
>>2581791The Ukrainian proles are free to turn on their bourgeois masters that send them to die, and abandon their delusion that joining EU and NATO will fix all their issues and make them TRVE Europeans, and not relatives of Asiatic Hordes that are Russians. Any time now.
>>2581792These people aren't even old enough to remember the Cold War really. I explained it:
>>2581718Yes the libs are kinda digging up Cold War nostalgia, but still it isn't even relevant to them. It's mostly, America finally acts properly in its role as world police and steps in when big country invade smoll country just like in Desert Storm:
>>2581767 Every German who voted for NSDAP (Nov. 1933) should've been hunted down and killed, btw.
>>2581802idealist unmaterial nonsense
>>2581798I mean, libs were up on Obama's side when Libya and Syria, but those were both clusterfucks with no clear sides. Ukraine war is a perfect big country invades smoll country. It doesn't get more perfect than this.
>>2581806Refrain from using words you don't understand.
>>2581808you are a liberal
>patronizes proles as if they were children
>goes to bat for Nazi "soldiertariat"
>"you are a liberal"
Always lovely to see.
>>2581797also true for russians as well, but you know why they aren't able to? in part because there is both no revolutionary party and hardly any revolutionary conditions, and they'd be hard to emerge when the logical conclusion to decades of abject poverty and domination is chauvinist nationalism, likewise condemning them all to be little hitlers doesn't actually do anything but deepen this problem, but go ahead and cheerlead the bourgeois slaughter of hundreds of thousands, russian and ukrainian
>>2581815Bro is a Canadian-Ukrainian Nazi.
>>2581818
>Logistics are handled exclusively by drones and ground-based robotic systems. It's even difficult to get food in.
What? Since when? What is the carry capacity of a drone?
>>2581828
>Born in Polish People's Republic
>>2581832That is based. I have long wanted to make a "red letter" only version of the bible. If Christians only followed the word of Christ they would be saved.
>>2581817seems you're projecting a bit lad
>>2581848
fix your spelling and you should also remember that "x side does terrible thing" doesn't justify 'y side doing bad thing' either, the russian army has a practice of systemized hazing (like the US army does) that often leads in rape, forced labor and death, this however would not mean i would start cheerleading the other imperialist bloc, and vice versa
>>2581848
based clip
this guy never misses fr
>>2581466>if ukraine's already a part of nato they aren't
>what's russia so upset overpic related is just the tip of the iceberg
Also, NATO promised Gorbachev no more eastward expansion in 1991, and he stupidly believed them.
>>2581774> if every singular ukrainian was a neo-nazi not the goalpost dumbass. the CIA-backed neo nazis are making life miserable for the people of Ukraine especially in Donbass. You would know this if you had looked into this even a little bit but we're stuck responding to the same tired talking points for 3 years straight. It seems you people always blow in from stupidville (reddit) and say the exact same shit, get corrected, tuck tail, run, and never admit you're wrong.
>>2581870is this not a case of projection on your part? rather it's that you refuse to engage with reality, exactly what are these neo-nazis doing to civilians when most of them are in the trenches? for this you have no serious response, you have no serious response to why they're even as big as they exist, and the fact they are created cyclically, not by the CIA, but by simpler causes like prolonged abject poverty, an already divided society that can't even agree what it wants to be, and deep foreign influence blowing through every part of ukrainian society
>>2581892
>this could've been avoided
>trusting NATO
Nope. Use it as a lesson. The deal was with Federal Republic of Germany blocking any further NATO expansion in exchange for USSR signing off on annexation of DDR.
>making deals with Western libs
>>2581363
wow, this analysis would be totally convincing if i didn't know anything about what went on between 2014-2022
>>2581848
Kill this fucking soybeard it doesnt matter if he speaks the truth, his looks and attitude damage the entire premise
>>2581172Look at the ukrainian AI version's background generating random impossible cars out from behind trees
>>2581172They must've gotten called out on it and deleted the tweet because I can't find it anymore
>>2582030
That's just what the average zigger looks like
>>2582014
The people will always choose the stronger horse.
>>2582042What country are you from?
>>2581320
>Steps to end this war quickly:
>- Putin has a few nukes
>- Nuke Rammstein, London, Brussels, Washington
>- Some sort of peace negotiation happens here
>- America is forced to abandon their imperial ambitions
>>2582070quickest way to get annihilated lol
New US “Peace” Proposal is “Minsk 3.0” Repackaged (Yet Again)
<The US has once again proposed what it calls a “peace plan” amid its own ongoing proxy war with Russia in Ukraine.
>The contents of the proposal are irrelevant. The US does not seek peace in general, and certainly not with Russia specifically. Instead, and what previous proposals likewise represented, this is an attempt to freeze the ongoing conflict, rebuild Ukraine’s armed forces - and if possible - move Western troops into Ukraine itself to create a bufferzone possibly forcing advancing Russian forces to stop. References:
NEO - New US “Peace” Proposal is “Minsk 3.0” Repackaged (Yet Again) (Nov. 28, 2025):
https://journal-neo.su/2025/11/28/new-us-peace-proposal-is-minsk-3-0-repackaged-yet-again/US Department of Defense - Opening Remarks by Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth at Ukraine Defense Contact Group (As Delivered) (Feb. 12, 2025):
https://www.war.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/4064113/opening-remarks-by-secretary-of-defense-pete-hegseth-at-ukraine-defense-contact/TASS - Putin calls Minsk agreements ‘nothing but sheer deception’ — book (Feb. 2024):
https://tass.com/world/1747015NYT - U.S. STRATEGY PLAN CALLS FOR INSURING NO RIVALS DEVELOP (1992):
https://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/08/world/us-strategy-plan-calls-for-insuring-no-rivals-develop.htmlNYT - The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine (Mar. 2025):
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.htmlReuters - US intelligence helps Ukraine target Russian energy infrastructure, FT reports (Oct. 2025):
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-helps-ukraine-target-russian-energy-infrastructure-ft-reports-2025-10-12/NYT - The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin (Feb. 2024):
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.htmlRAND Corporation - Extending Russia: Competing from Advantageous Ground (2019):
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR3000/RR3063/RAND_RR3063.pdfUS Naval War College Review - A Maritime Oil Blockade Against China—Tactically Tempting but Strategically Flawed (2018):
https://digital-commons.usnwc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1735&context=nwc-reviewRAND Corporation - How We're Funded:
https://www.rand.org/about/how-we-are-funded.html >>2582030Normal people outside imageboards don't think about soyjaks all day, least of all every time they meet a bald guy irl
>>2582033Normal people outside imageboards don't try to turn everything they don't like into the N Word.
>>2581848He's right, that's all that matters. Eugenicist imageboard reactionaries btfo
>>2582030
Mods ban this man for posting soyjaks NOW!
Le interimperialist conflict, men. It is that simple. Anyone who says otherwise by doing le analysis is just doing intellectual masturbation, yep.
>>2582143
>muh great men theory
Mods ban this chud for personalism individualism voluntarism
>>2582131Yeah but to men so its not a big deal
>>2582128Dude, Russians had the video first. There doesn't need to be a deep analysis
>>2582272
Does your mother know about your gore folder?
>>2582272
Didn't Ukraine nuked some of their own bikers then released the video saying it was ruzzians lmao
>>2582273My counter-point is that Kiev never showed any desire to recognise the right to self-determination of Novorossiyan oblasts where
their little green men were, let alone hold a sham vote under the *threat* of violence. They resorted to violence instantly and denounced all the people who desired independence as non-Ukrainians which naturally precludes Kiev holding an election, real or fake, in the first place.
Even now, neither Kiev nor the EU with all its human rights treaties are offering to hold a “real” referendum in Crimea and the four oblasts if they were to somehow win them back. The attitude is still very much that independence was solely desired by Russian interlopers in Ukraine’s ascension to democracy and will be dealt with summarily after victory.
The problem with how the referendums are framed in the west and by Kiev is that it has to be discredited with accusations of all the things that would need to happen to illegitimise the vote, but literally all the things at the same time where they would contradict
>The voters were actually Russians
>The Russian voters were voting to join Russia under threat from the Russian military
>Russians who voted to join Russia under armed threat from Russia even voted twice to join Russia
>Russians who voted twice to join Russia under armed threat from Russia weren’t even counted in the referendum because the referendum was a sham anyway and Russia never even counted the duplicated votes from the Russian voters who voted under armed threat by Russia
>>2582311Fascists have refused to disavow separatists from Lviv who rose up in support of Maidan when it looked like that Maidan is losing and Yanukovich is going to win. Yet, when Donbass did the same, when Maidan succeeded, then suddenly they are traitors to Ukraine, spearatists, yadda yadda. There would be no separatists in Donbass or elsewhere if pro-Western crowd didn't disenfranchise Russian-speakers
>>2582311>>2582322the referendums were fair and represented the will of the majority of people. anyone claiming a majority in donbas or crimea want to go back under Zelensky and Azov is either ignorant or lying. And as you say, if Kiev controlled that territory they would never allow referendums and never did.
The time for that (2014-22) is past. Kiev missed their chance on purpose. They chose war over Minsk. Now the votes have already been held and Russians have been forced to bleed to secure the land, which means it is Russia now and forever, as will any further territory taken until Kiev collapses or surrenders.
>>2582337I couldn’t say whether they were fair, but given how things have played out it’s clear the situation wasn’t one resolvable via democracy anyway. You can’t have territorial disputes when joining NATO, NATO wanted Ukraine in eventually for reasons that likely differ depending on whom within NATO you ask and that Ukraine saw fit to immediately utilise crimes against humanity wrt cutting off water supplies to “their” people in Crimea and shelling civilians in Donbass while insisting victory is reclaiming their 1991 borders , i.e the raison d’etre for Ukraine is nationalistic outside of Donbass where it’s about the emancipation of their people, culture and language yadda yadda while within Donbass they instead dump a load of petal mines over the streets of Donetsk as they remind everyone that they had the
legal entitlement to that
territory, which rather suggests that Ukraine doesn't really believe that Donbass or even all of Novorossiya is "theirs" based on the nationality that lives there, but simply as part of internal borders within a no longer existent state they don't even recognise the legitimacy of in any other way.
Russia cripled west's ability to wage imperialist wars.
>>2582276
the president of Finland wrote this article btw. He says the UN must be reformed. It's a must-read
>Three broad regions now make up the global balance of power: the global West, the global East, and the global South. The global West comprises roughly 50 countries and has traditionally been led by the United States. Its members include primarily democratic, market-oriented states in Europe and North America and their far-flung allies Australia, Japan, New Zealand, and South Korea. These countries have typically aimed to uphold a rules-based multilateral order, even if they disagree on how best to preserve, reform, or reinvent it.
>The global East consists of roughly 25 states led by China. It includes a network of aligned states—notably Iran, North Korea, and Russia—that seek to revise or supplant the existing rules-based international order. These countries are bound by a common interest, namely, the desire to reduce the power of the global West.
>The global South, comprising many of the world’s developing and middle-income states from Africa, Latin America, South Asia, and Southeast Asia (and the majority of the world’s population) spans roughly 125 states. Many of them suffered under Western colonialism and then again as theaters for the proxy wars of the Cold War era. The global South includes many middle powers or “swing states,” notably Brazil, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Mexico, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, and South Africa. Demographic trends, economic development, and the extraction and export of natural resources drive the ascendance of these states.
<The global West and the global East are fighting for the hearts and minds of the global South. The reason is simple: they understand that the global South will decide the direction of the new world order. As the West and the East pull in different directions, the South has the swing vote.
>>2582371Nah, they’re no doubt looking at all the carnage FPV and suicide drones are causing and realise they can do even more shock and awe than even Tomahawks could achieve.
If Russia wins and doesn’t collapse soon after, the west will probably start to panic that they’ve underestimated multipolarity and start scrambling to lay claim to Africa again as those states will no doubt seek economic ties with China and military ties/trade with Russia, no longer living in fear of western reprisals with its unipolar power.
>>2582371>Russia cripled west's ability to wage imperialist wars.absolutely true
>>2582386
when china is sustaining irans Russias and north koreas economies naturally they're looked at as leaders
>>2582276>>2582377It can’t be western jingoism, Finland were literally just neutral like a second ago!
>>2582377Notice how he says international order (new talking point) instead of upholding international law which the Western nations are the biggest violators of
Lukashenko status?
>>2582276>>2582377I really hate reading this ideological slop, but it's saying what communist have been saying for a while now.
>>2582311>Kiev never showed any desire to recognise the right to self-determination of Novorossiyan oblastsIn which case I guess every country needs to invade Russia because Russia wasn't willing to entertain Chechnyan independence. It would of course be fine if this invasion caused many many deaths (including Russian deaths) according to your logic.
>They resorted to violence instantlyMost countries (perhaps all countries) regard armed rebellions to be illegal. Democracy is okay, but taking government buildings by force isn't. So the Ukrainian authorities tried to take back control of the government buildings that had been seized by force. Probably all countries would respond like this - Russia clearly would, because they responded in a similar way regarding Chechnya.
>denounced all the people who desired independence as non-Ukrainians which naturally precludes Kiev holding an electionI think they would have been allowed to take part in elections, like they were allowed to vote in Ukrainian presidential elections before Russia seized parts of the Donbas by force.
>Even now, neither Kiev nor the EU with all its human rights treaties are offering to hold a “real” referendum in Crimea and the four oblasts if they were to somehow win them back.The government in Kyiv is probably thinking "whether we hold referendums in Crimea and the Donbas is our decision - Russia has no right to make us hold referendums". Surely that is absolutely true. I think any country on Earth (and certainly Russia) would say that external countries shouldn't dictate when domestic referendums or elections are held.
Anyway, I of course stand by what I said, because it is true: everybody who supports Russia is a fascist. Russia's invasion is both fascist and imperialist. I think everybody in Ukraine and everybody in Russia should have democracy, although Russia is unlikely to become democratic any time soon. Hopefully people in Ukraine can democratically determine their future at least. Instead of being invaded by Russia, with Russia hoping to subjugate Ukraine.
>>2582322I mentioned "reports of Russians being able to vote, and people being able to vote multiple times". Those two reported occurrences don't contradict each other.
>>2582327So you think that democratic socialism, the left-wing position, is not left-wing?
>>2582122>Normal people outside imageboards don't think about soyjaks all day, least of all every time they meet a bald guy irlMaybe, but he has a massive gap in his front teeth and lays in bed half the videos making weird faces, I don't expect a positive reception outside of those who already agreed with some of the messages.
>>2582030
>muh optics
back to /USApol/
>>2582128Not that car, there are a bunch of other cars farther back spawning from behind a tree, an entire column which is impossible, look closer.
Also a lot of people were initially pointing to distortion in the sign.
>>2582450Thats where that fat fuck belongs, his video has got nothing to do with the /ukr/ general moron
>>2582432>according to your logic.You said Russians and Ukrainians ought to have democracy, with the implication that Russia are responsible for that not being the case. I'm merely pointing out that Ukraine and NATO are clearly no more interested in even fronting as democratic let alone engaging in it it.
>Most countries (perhaps all countries) regard armed rebellions to be illegal.Yeah it's to the surprise of no one that the right to self-determination is a right that exists only on paper, again your point was that somehow democracy was to play a role in this but that Russia had unilaterally scuppered that by ostensibly holding an election and thus everyone is a fascist for not being anti-Russian.
>I think they would have been allowed to take part in electionsYou think Ukraine would allow people they've disowned as Russian agents to hold a vote on independence from Ukraine and therefore the freedom to reintegrate with Russia?
>The government in Kyiv is probably thinking "whether we hold referendums in Crimea and the Donbas is our decision - Russia has no right to make us hold referendums"You're doing the same thing as Kiev has done since 2014 in assuming separatists in Donbass and Crimea are just agents of Russia. They wanted independence from a Banderite government in the aftermath of a coup, they were denounced as non-citizens with no say and to be bombed into leaving, which is very consistent with Banderite ideology.
There's absolutely no substance to anything you're saying, You said "I think" a lot because it is just wishful thinking that there was a democratic outcome here that Russia thwarted. The fact is the West are supporting both Kiev and Tel Aviv in conflicts that together are establishing the consensus that, in order to retain the integrity of current legal borders when that is challenged by separatism, you can bomb and shell not just combatants but indeed anyone required to exorcise the nationality through which the separatism was born.
You just don't shout about forcing kids to live underground from the shelling to defeat separatism, if ackshually democracy was also an equally desirable solution. Yeah we might throw a fair and legally binding referendum your way or we could just bomb you until you leave and seek refuge elsewhere, either is fine.
>>2582464It's consistently the goal in Georgia's recent social unrest and I believe in Serbia as well
>>2582432>every country needs to invade calm down with your wet dreams nafo, this isnt how international law work and nobody is enforcing it anyway
>armed rebellions to be illegaltaking power in a coup is also illegal
>Democracy is okay, but taking government buildings by force isn't. which is exactly what the maidan did
>the Ukrainian authorities you mean the guys who just did an illegal coup, and werent recognized as legitimate
>I think they would have been allowed to take part in electionsyou "think"? you're just an uninformed retard, the communist party and pro donbass independence parties were banned around 2015
you're simply either or glowie or a moron, in any case you're a pro west imperialist carrying water for nato
It has to be bait though
>I’m a democratic socialist and the true leftist opinion is this should have been solved via democracy!
<btw if you don’t peacefully respect the decision of the man to not provide you with democracy, then you were asking to be denied democracy in the first place
NUMBER OF DEVELOPED COUNTRIES REDUCED FROM 37 to 32
>Countries that are now developing countries include:
>PORTUGL
>GREECE
>LITHUANIA
>CROATIA
>LATVIA
TAKE THAT POOTEEN
>>2582272
those are Ukrainians, btw. you can tell by the cammo.
>>2582565I don’t get why people seem to take such issue with it being reminded by Russia that the “rules based order” is anything but, particularly in claiming it makes Russia look weak.
Yes that was always obvious, but it doesn’t cost anything to undermine the west’s self-promotion of being fair, lawful, truthful, democratic, etc by pointing out their hypocrisy whenever it arises
>>2582570Who caused the
>rules based orderto ever exist in the first place?
>>2582586Western imperialists
>>2582484meh, some news about HDI decline in those EU countries for too long, below 0.9. they never kick countries out of the club, for various economic reasons.
>>2582492what? are you telling me that the people that used AI to show the center of Pokrovsk populated with ukie soldiers can't tell lies? 😱
>>2582632
where's the lie? the cammo in the video looks closer to the ukie cammo than the Russian cammo. I know because I've seen the video in UHD from the original ukie source. Around 100MB in size.
>>2582622Wrong. Western imperialists didn't do jack shit, Gorbachev did.
<Colombian President Demands Explanations from Zelenskyy Over Assaults on Colombian Mercenaries in the Ukrainian Armed Forces
>"Colombian citizens are prisoners in Ukraine. Our diplomatic service should contact Zelenskyy and demand the release of Colombians," writes Gustavo Petro.
>Earlier, a video went viral showing Colombian mercenary Jose Camilo Melo Castillo fighting in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who was not released home after the end of his contract.
>He is being held in the 47th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
>He says he just wants to go home and is afraid for his life.
>He is being beaten, thrown to the ground, and kicked in the face.
>Notably, both Ukrainians and other Colombians are involved in the assaults.
I've seen the families and friends replies in the social medias of these people killed, in TG @trackanazimerc. Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok. I am pretty confident to say they were not bamboozled, were intentionally going to kill Russians, not to defend 'muh democracy, muh freedom', and gladly went there. now FAFO.
but here Petro wants to play ignorant and as if these people were mistakenly taken to a situation they weren't aware, and not at all clear of the purposes and intentions.
>>2582481third worldist bros, we are so back
>>2582565>This obsession with muh broken promises is so liberalHow? Libs break promises all the time. Second behind fascists. If anything, it's feudal/medival, where honour, loyalty and trustworthiness are the most important measures of a ruler and subject.
>>2582632
Hey ‘no u’ anon
>>2582648Gorbachev declared the west to be the official good guys of the west and can judge countries to be not democratic enough and fine them for all of their resources?
>>2582723Yes, he made it possible for them to do so. Gaddafi said so quite openly.
>>2582392its been "rules based order" where
the US makes up the rules and orders everyone around vs "international law" for the whole existence of the UN
>>2582775He is an internet lolcow. His voice in particular is very much like a lolcow's. I assure you there is not much thought going on in that head.
Let's be honest here: the "original" idea of having a common site ("leftypol") for actual communists vs. fucking First World libs is not. Working. Out.
>>2582775I would sell my kidney to watch a debate between Gunther and King Lear, complete with maps and maybe a friendly round of HoI4
>>2582789In vdL's and Kallas' brain is apparently going on even less. Merz is probably about 100 autism score points lower than Merkel also.
Failinger (his actual name in English) is also anti-communist and anti-worker af. He supports always the worst things while aggressively polishing bourgeois cocks. He is a proper neocon POS, the fact that he looks like a nerd doesn't make it any better. A lot of bourgeois grifters are like that.
>NOW - NATO Chief Rutte says next year countries need to give "a lot of money… more than $1B a month" to purchase offensive and defensive U.S. weapons, through PURL, "to keep Ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure safe.">>2582789he never fails to surprise me in his new lows.
>>2582797I'd give my kidney to watch them doing acrobatics ᴉuᴉlossnW-on-a-rope style.
>>2582570>I don’t get why people seem to take such issue with it being reminded by Russia that the “rules based order” is anything but, particularly in claiming it makes Russia look weak.
<um they never promised anything<okay they did but it wasn't in writing<okay it was in writing but it was never a treaty<okay there was minsk which was a treaty but it doesn't matter because muh Istanbul accords or whateverAnd it goes on and on. They don't like talking about broken promises because once you tug on that thread everything else unravels like a bad sweater.
>>2581172>>2582004the problem isnt where the cars are coming from.. its that there are cars at all. this is supposedly a warzone and there are citizens just randomly driving around / commuting?
Also they dont look like typical cars driven in Ukraine
Every day I hear of oil tankers, oil refineries, oil pipelines etc getting blown up by Ukraine. The usual suspects here with the same flags I see everyday keep saying it's just a flesh wound. State revenues from oil and gas are 34% down YoY and decline is accelerating.
Sure, Russia can conquer more land and wear the Ukrainian army down. But that's not gonna stop the attacks from unoccupied Ukraine. It's not gonna stop the sanctions. It's not gonna stop the shadow fleet from getting blown up. It's not gonna stop EU from using Ukraine like Iran used Hezbollah and Hamas. This will be a headache to Russia for decades.
Russia is effectively contained. They are no longer capable of playing any real part in WW3.
>>2583071So show me his body.
>>2582481LITHUANIA STRONK!!!!
>>2583071It’s the Euros who are now contained and economically fucked. Russia can just HYBRID WARFARE the Balts and Finns until the EU piggies squeal and cut a deal.
>>2583071https://www.deccanherald.com/india/indias-november-russian-oil-imports-set-to-hit-five-month-high-3809867India's November Russian oil imports set to hit five-month high
<Russian President Vladimir Putin is due to visit the South Asian country next month, according to the Kremlin. His last trip there was in December 2021, a few months before ordering troops into Ukraine.https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/america-just-quietly-admitted-cant-crush-russias-economy-bw-120125America Just Quietly Admitted It Can’t Crush Russia’s Economy
>The United States and its allies are finally coming to terms with the tragic reality that their support of Ukraine will not be enough to help the Ukrainians defeat the Russians. In a recent interview, US Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent declared that the repeated sanctions—particularly by the European Union—had failed to achieve their goals.
>“If you have to repeat the same action 19 times, then you’ve failed,” said the American treasury secretary matter-of-factly.
>The EU has issued at least 19 rounds of sanctions since the Ukraine War began. Yet according to Bessent, Russia’s war economy appears both functional and robust. Indeed, it is powerful enough to sustain its military operations to such a degree that the Russian military is clearly winning on the tactical side of the Ukraine War. Eventually, the Kremlin’s tactical gains will translate to a strategic victory. And it’s far too late in the game to reverse these self-defeating and unserious EU policies.
>What’s more, it is unlikely that the Americans will attempt any further round of sanctions, given how abysmally the previous 19 rounds have played out for the West. Russia today is stronger and more resilient—in short, better prepared for a great power war—than it has ever been. And that is entirely a product of the shambolic European sanctions.https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/12/02/russia-more-vehicles/Russia has more armored vehicles now than in 2022. The math is ugly.
<Yes, Russia has lost a lot of armored vehicles. But the sheer size of its Cold War vehicle stockpile means it can replace every loss—and then some. You're welcome.
>>2583114>euromaidan expecting Ukraine to last through 2030Hope springs eternal I guess.
>>2583146>>2583071>Oil and gas income totaled 8 trillion rubles ($103 billion) in the first 11 months of the year, down 2.3 trillion ($29.63 billion) from the same period in 2024.>The decline has accelerated over the year, from 14% in May to 20% in August and 22% by early December.https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/12/03/russias-oil-and-gas-revenues-fall-34-year-on-year-in-november-a91328>The Moscow TimesThanks, western glowuighur backed gusanos.
>Information Blocked
>Access to WHOIS information for the domain themoscowtimes.com has been restricted.
Nice! Say "hi" to your Belarusian glowie friends for me.
>>2583071taxable revenue is going down but the purchasing power of the rouble is going up, it's unclear how much this is being driven by sanctions vs. global oil prices dropping due to electrification.
> sinking the shadow fleetblowing up a turkish merchant vessel in senegal is a war crime and a terrorist attack, not just against russia, and turkey, but senegal.
senegal is a sahel state that gets 85% of their energy from oil, a worker there makes ~$180 US monthly, unemployment is ~20%, and because unemployment doesn't account for non-productive members of society ~35% of the country lives below the poverty line, which is rising in line with global food prices.
ukraine is turning their lights off and none of the foreign policy ghouls that france24 quoted noted any of this while glazing the kind of wild adventurism that will kill workers and civilians, while disrupting shipping. europe probably gave the nod because senegal is acting as a sympathetic go-between for the independence governments of mali and burkina faso.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251203-sinking-russia-s-shadow-fleet-has-the-ukraine-war-spread-to-senegal>>2583114I don't think they're even trying to crush russia's economy. over the course of the war europe's spending on russian oil dwarves their contributions to ukrainian sovereignty.
for some reason buying russian oil is fine when eurocucks do it??
>>2583173>for some reason buying russian oil is fine when eurocucks do it??Because if they went cold turkey their economies would immediately crash.
>>2583173 (me)
forgot to mention oil prices also going down due to deregulation, and probably the futures market is fucked until there's been some assessment of venezuelan resistance against the yanks.
also worth unpacking are the "shadow fleet" accusations. nowhere near enough receipts on that one. I mention this because the other big "shadow fleet" story is about a nominally cameroonian vessel that carried a shipment between cuba and venezuela, doggedly sneaking through the seppo blockade to deliver to beleagured venezuela. rather a heroic act.
https://gcaptain.com/sanctioned-russian-tanker-seahorse-reaches-venezuela-following-earlier-u-s-navy-blockade/transporting russian oil isn't illegal: there aren't UNSC sanctions in place so people can buy and sell as much of the shit as they want provided their vessel and the party they're selling to aren't bound by autonomous sanctions.
the west has barred its own vessels from a huge chunk of the global oil trade, their shipping companies are liquidating vessels. all the buyers are buying them to move crude from russia to to the third world. this was inevitable. these ships can't be retrofitted to do anything else.
you can't expect people to stop needing electricity or petrochemicals just because they're brown or poor. maybe the russian state bought some of these ships, but it's just as likely that affected states bought them, or the western shipping companies sold them to their own shell companies.
>>2583179right, and the senegalese people can stand to eat the cost of missing shipments and the ecological fallout of fuck knows how much spilled crude?
>>2583173Well, sanctions are not supposed to push ruble up, I can tell you that much.
>>2583199I don't think the rouble is going up as much as the dollar is going down.
the trump tarriffs, trump recession, AI bubble, and general political instability are big fuckups. they're also experiencing capital flight.
trump triggered massive divestment, but not through boycotts or activism. the US used to be the place where foreign capital stashed money risk free. trump increased the financial risk of parking capital in the US, which forced funds to hedge against them, which forced selloffs in US markets, which further increases risk etc. etc.
>>2582775>Pro-nato ex-naziNo contradiction
>>2583240
the IMF is barely independent, only hires american economists, and used crisis loans impose austerity and force the sale of state assets to american billionaires. I think you mean global reserve currency. historically the US has been politically stable and wealthy. their deep pockets and vast consumer base meant that holding reserves of their currency to facilitate trade made sense.
the US is no longer politically stable, their consumer base is drying up, and they don't make shit worth a shit. in addition to this the yuan has become an attractive reserve currency. they're the world's factory and they don't just export products they export production lines.
finally, in spite of the IMF's clear american bias they started holding reserves of renmimbi in 2016. prior to this they were also holding reserves of euros, pounds sterling, and yen. euros, pounds, and yen are all tied to equally useless economies.
in short, as flawed as IMF policy is as an economic indicator, it also shows that the dollar is losing ground.
>>2582775NAFOids position is something along lines of
>Nazis were kind of possibly bad, and if they didn't oppress Jews they would be a force for good, actually, but also they were defending Europe from absolutely evil bolsheviks, and then Americans came in and made everything right >>2583219The Ruble still isn't supposed to appreciate against the dollar, since the US is the one raising the biggest stink about sanctioning Russia.
And yet, more people are buying Rubles than selling them. Meaning people want to get
into Russian economy, and not out.
>>2583281they took the lead under biden, they failed to maintain it after trump. he only put new sanctions on iran and the ICC, and didn't raise any tarriffs against russia. if anyone is raising a stink it's france, germany, and britain. coincidentally they're also the countries with the largest arms industries in europe.
https://swentr.site/russia/628899-ukrainian-military-intelligence-soldiers-brawl/Armed hostilities broke out between Ukrainian troops and members of the military intelligence service (HUR) in a conflict over which of them rented out a clinic, Ukrainskaya Pravda has reported.
On Wednesday evening, HUR members stormed into the October sanatorium on the outskirts of Kiev, “knocking down the gates and breaking down the fence,” the outlet wrote, citing law enforcement sources.
The military intelligence forces fired their guns into the air and ground and took ten soldiers captive, causing them “significant injuries,” the newspaper added.
They later reportedly released the soldiers and barricaded themselves inside, refusing to let local law enforcement and military police in.
The HUR claimed that they rented out the sanatorium and that the soldiers were there illegally, according to Ukrainskaya Pravda.
According to the newspaper, however, the soldiers had leased the sanatorium from the owners and were using it in accordance with the local military administration and the orders of the Ukrainian Ground Forces.
Neither side lodged a formal complaint with the police before the violence broke out, a law enforcement source was cited as saying.
Russian forces have recorded multiple cases of friendly fire by Ukrainian units in the conflict, due to the low level of coordination between them, TASS reported earlier this year.
>>2583316Oh no, how are we supposed to oppose Russia as communists now?
>>2583316Based. Nazis gave aid to Japan during WWII, and got out of paying any reparation afterwards. Its only natural that DPRK would requisition a reparation from the modern Nazis.
https://tass.com/world/2053311
>BUENOS AIRES, December 3. /TASS/. The House of Representatives (lower house) of the Colombian Congress (parliament) has approved a bill to join the international convention aimed at combating the recruitment of mercenaries, according to a session broadcast on the chamber’s YouTube channel.
>Colombian mercenaries have recently been increasingly spotted among the ranks of the Ukrainian army.
>The bill passed with 94 votes in favor and 17 against. It will now be sent to the president for signature. The initiative had previously been approved by the Senate.
>Last August, the South American country’s government submitted the bill to parliament to ratify the international convention in order to curb the use of Colombian citizens in foreign conflicts, including in Ukraine and Sudan.Colombian mercs die with such high frequency in Ukraine, that Colombia wants to ban mercenary work altogether now. Place your bets on how quickly Philippines will also ban mercenarydom
>>2583272The problem is the “Double Genocide” theory came into vogue in recent years with western libs, but only because libs understand it as an excuse for hostility towards Russia where Ukraine and Balts throwing up Nazi Salutes and surrounding themselves with iconography, uniforms and statues of native SS divisions is just an unfortunate manifestation.
They’re, likely wilfully, unaware of the full Balt theory that goes something like
>Holocaust was a lie, a collaboration between the Soviets and the Jews to distract people from the “real holocaust” conducted by the Soviets (led by Jews)>The real genocide was against Balts (and probably Ukraine) and conducted by both the Jewish Soviets and the based German Nazis>Both would be bad, but while the Soviet Jews were just genocidal, the Nazis were simply motivated by a desire to save Europe from Judeo-Bolshevism, that included Balts and Ukrainians against their will after they were annexed>The Nazis allowed Balts and Ukrainians to join them as SS troops, thus proving that the Nazis were not really genocidal against Balts but had no choice but to treat them like the communist jewish untermenschen they were led by>Therefore actually the Nazis are heroes and Balts should have been allowed to join them against the USSR rather than being annexedSo it’s not an unfortunate coincidence that the hostility towards non-Soviet Russia takes the form of larping as non-German Nazis, it’s entirely the point.
>>2583347Nazi goto approach to propaganda was always "b-but commies are worse!!!1" It's not a honest kind of propaganda, it was always a screen made by Nazis for Nazis to make libs switch attention from "ours" Nazis towards foreign and utterly barbaric communists. Like, Goebbels himself did this kind of shit.
>>2583352Sure but it wasn’t effective until recently because people had ideas like “two wrongs don’t make a right”, but because of the internet and its mass misunderstanding of what the word “whataboutism” means, people are coming to believe the opposite and that ackshually the holocaust doesn't excuse the Soviets from being “also bad” thus Nazism is now an acceptable counter to Russia.
But obviously the Double Genocide fantasy involves the Nazis winning at least on the Eastern Front with the help of Super Balt Team SS and Bandera’s Bollockwhackers to then exterminate Russians and therefore there wouldn’t be a Russia now. Probably a Baltic confederation ruling over the oil and gas of Siberia, or all shot in the head and forgotten to Nazi German historians recounting how they captured Siberia and won WW2.
>>2583347I don't think the baltoid line goes as far as to say that germans were heroes. They say that germans were less bad to them than the Soviets because they recognized them as fellow europeans, so they entered an alliance of convenience. It's not about glorifying nazism per se but rather about erasing their Soviet history, othering Russia and emphasizing the parts of history where they "wuz europeans n shit" even if that meant joining SS einsatzgruppen. It's not just a local quirk of beltoids, it's part of the greater garden vs. jungle narrative, which is of course anticommunist at its base
>>2583357No, you don't get it still.
Double genocide isn't told in good conscience, they are lying about it, they don't actually believe in Nazis genociding them and only say that so that "gullible Europeans" and other libs shut up and focus on commie/Russians bashing. Libs are treated as idiots that they are
>>2583363I disagree, just because they’re the masters of rewriting their own history and instead of depicting their fragile alliance with the Nazis as native warriors just armed with MP 40s, it always skews towards embracing troops who specifically served in the Nazi military.
The ideal history seemingly is that Baltics/Ukraine remained independent up until Barbarossa and immediately join the Nazis in invading (and exterminating) the Soviets. Whether that’s as continuing independent states like Finland or Italy, or just “imagine if the domestic SS battalion wasn’t just POWs, but the entire military annexed by Hitler!” I couldn’t say, but it seems unlikely that history presenting those Nazi collaborators as unwilling but accepting if it was against Russia would keep evoking wearing an SS uniform or insignia as heroic and the pride of a nation.
Tbh I suspect the reason why it’s the “double genocide” theory and not just the “Russian genocide” theory is because there was still living memories where they weren’t all
>Well my grandmother said she preferred the Nazis because they paid for eggs and gave a small boy a chocolate bar!
plenty still saw the Nazis at their absolute worse and naturally the history of the Nazi invasion was taught in school for many decades.
The desire IMO is absolutely to glorify the Nazis, but they have to reconcile the fact that most people didn’t come out of 1991 thinking the Nazis was good either by education or experience, so they just did what all Neo-Nazis do
>Oh sure the Nazis were bad! No one denies that! But have you considered.. it wasn’t actually their fault? Here’s a narrative that proves their hand was forced
>>2583347I mean that's roughly the story of stepan bandera:
>be balkan nazi who hates russia>invent OC country and lore about how you're actually descended from nordic vikings despite living the dead centre of the potato zone>try to fight nazi revolution>everyone hates it>go to poland to do terrorism>get arrested>german nazis take over poland>they let you out>go home and use german nazi friends to form ukrainian state>commit the holocaust with them>realise they think you're a subhuman slav>they were never going to make your OC ukraine real>convince your nazi group to revolt against german nazis>they already invaded (with your help) and clap your cheeks>stalin comes and claps their cheeks >somehow survive war despite getting holocausted for insubordination>move to bavaria, finally get to be white>get clapped by the KGB in 1959>beloved headcanon country doesn't get invented until 1991I don't know why zelensky is building so many monuments to this weird evil ineffectual little chud but it is what it is.
>>2583395
>frightened of words
>only maps with lots of grey on them please
I assure you I’m just as thrilled you’re here to not read my posts as you are when you’re not reading my posts
>>2583395
this is Leftist Politically Incorrect, /AKM/ is down the hall and to the left if you want to read about weapons
also russian advances have become so routine there's hardly anything of note to discuss atm
I mean, Ukraine’s energy infrastructure is still getting murked by drones and missiles every night, but I’m afraid I’m just not as thrilled by that as nafoids were about the small, smokey oil fires in Russia.
>>2583408Impressive, very nice. Now let's see the ukrainian counteroffensives
>>2583408Lets just ignore the several cities that Russia has taken or encircled in the last 2-3 months you mong
>>2583395russia captured the garrison outside of pokrovsk. kiev didn't even try to coordinate a retreat. there aren't any hardpoints for ukraine to defend for miles.
military affairs are roughly the same. ukraine is outnumbered on all fronts. the US isn't going to sanction or intervene until 2029 if ever. russia plugged the gaps in recruitment and logistics.
the weapons are also no longer changing. the vehicles remain susceptible to drone bombs. dwindling supplies of sophisticated european weapons systems aren't proving a distinct tactical advantage over russian abundance.
talks are equally pointless: moscow won't entertain them while zelensky is still in charge, zelensky won't hold elections because they'll be a referendum on conscription. headlines quoting german and american leadership calling to further lower conscription age are causing even more young men to flee.
>>2583411not a bad assessment, but this is a bit rich coming from the bastards that gulled ukraine into a bloodbath.
Oh ho ho no no lol lol thread why can’t Yankoids into fighter jets!? F-16 is like 100 years old now you’d think they’d have perfected it by now! “No possible causes have been announced” yankoid subhumans are too dumb to realise the plane crashed due to innate dumbness of the pilot, the engineers, fuck even probably that of the founding fathers!
US F-16 Fighter Jet Crashes Near Airbase in California
https://sputnikglobe.com/20251204/us-f-16-fighter-jet-crashes-near-airbase-in-california---reports-1123224575.htmlIs that the kind of “content” anon desires?
>>2583415USA are doing the big boy diplomacy of making idiots fight each other, and then reaping the benefits. Only idiots like Russia, Europe and Ukraine fight directly. That's the curse of having no real power. USSR had power, China has it still, and USA is no the verge of losing it
>>2583429ukrainian child forced to hug an asiatic commie subhuman at gunpoint, a horrific warcrime equal to at least 100 9/11s
>>2583316>"Children there were taught to ‘destroy Japanese militarists’ and met Korean veterans who, in 1968, attacked the U.S. Navy ship Pueblo, killing and wounding nine American soldiers."based. These kids are getting the full experience that people here would die for
>>2583422Not really at all comparable, tbqh.
>waah waah le kids are getting brainwashed
Yeah? And?
>>2583316>kids get to go DPRKWish it were me.
how long until zolonsko resigns
Nah actually you know what? No kid in the world should go without watching SpongeBob, every kid on every continent should all be watching Nickelodeon religiously instead of being brainwashed into not doing that
>>2583454Whats the difference between spongebob and north korean furry animation?
>>2583462Spongebob is a comedy (tragedy) of capitalist existence. It is inherently anti capitalist, though not pro communist. So it can be reactionary in anticapitalist sense perhaps.
Key points from Putin's statements in an interview with India Today:
▪️Russia will liberate Donbas and Novorossiya in any case, whether militarily or otherwise;
▪️Russia disagreed with some points of the US peace proposals for Ukraine, but this is complex work;
▪️The US proposed breaking the 28 points of its peace plan "into four packages" and discussing them in that format;
▪️Russia has no intention of returning to the G8;
▪️The G7's share of the global economy is shrinking year after year, like shagreen leather;
▪️The meeting with Witkoff and Kushner was very useful. It lasted a long time, as we had to go over every point of the peace proposals;
▪️The proposals presented by Whitkoff and Kushner are based on previous discussions with Trump;
▪️Trump is seeking consensus on a Ukrainian settlement, but this is a difficult task;
▪️Russia has proposed that Ukraine withdraw its troops from Donbas and not initiate military action, but Kyiv prefers to fight;
▪️Europeans should get involved in the Ukrainian settlement, not interfere.
>>2583465>not pro-communistThat depends on how you interpret the salty sea dog relations between Mr Krabs, SpongeBob and Squidward. The synergy is understanding that with SpongeBob’s work ethic and Squidward’s understanding of employment, revolution will surely come to Bikini Bottom to over throw the reactionary Mr Krabs and liberate the krabby patties the workers have produced and quite possibly been ingredients for.
Bothsidists claiming overthrowing Mr Krabs merely benefits Plankton and the Chum Bucket instead of the Proletariat, please.
>>2583340The problem with the Philippines right now is their politicians are tied up in a huge corruption scandal dealing with construction projects. Everyone is embezzling money left and right there, pretty openely. I dunno maybe some other anons are more clued in but I think mercenary recruitment there is going to be largely ignored for a while.
>French President Emmanuel Macron warned the U.S. could be about to “betray” Ukraine, according to a leaked transcript of a call between European leaders strategizing about how to protect Kyiv.
>The details of the phone call — which took place Monday and involved Macron, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and others — were published by German magazine Der Spiegel and saw the leaders discussing U.S.-led peace negotiations with Kyiv and Moscow.
>“There is a possibility that the U.S. will betray Ukraine on the issue of territory without clarity on security guarantees,” Macron said, according to Spiegel, adding there was “a great danger” for Zelenskyy.
<Merz chimed in that Zelenskyy had to be “extremely careful in the coming days.”europe isn't gonna let the conflict end
https://archive.ph/CTHDt >>2583316oh no,
the Asiatic horror tour trip.
>>2583531
nah
>>2583593>Japanese motocross bikesCringe
>Ural with sidecarBased
And to be fair, I think I’ve only seen Russians using the former
>>2583429Oh my God, they're being sent to camps.
SUMMER camps!
holly crap. arrested for stating a pro-Russian sentiment on a telephone conversation. the media states 'only' six months, as in,
how dare they to convict him only for 6 months, the prosecutor also disagreed, asked for more, the court then proceeds to sentence him for two years.
lmaooooo
all the horrors about the DPRK are pure projection.
>>2583601ukies also use sidecars.
>>2583601whats wrong with japanese motorcycles? i know when it comes to cars japanese cars are hilariously more reliable and long lasting than american cars at least, idk about motorcycles though.
>>2583618he claimed to be a citizen of USSR
>>2583618Nah I mean I’ve only seen Ukraine use sidecars
>>2583619Nothing really, just memeing because I like the Ural, it is the Bukhanka of bikes
>you don't support the way the war is going, 2 years hard labor
lol Oswald Mosley didn't even get that punishment during WW2.
>>2583618>the west is censorious, so the DPRK isntuh…
>>2583621no, he didn't.
http://reyestr.court.gov.ua/Review/110177806but he was in fact part of the Telegram group channel: Nostalgia USSR (in Russian) and Rozhdennye v USSR (in Russian).
This is the recount:
>At the court hearing, the accused PERSON_6 did not plead guilty and explained that he accidentally became a citizen of Ukraine because his country collapsed. In his opinion, Ukraine does not exist and has never existed. He confirmed his statements that took place on 04/12/2022, but does not agree with the law on the basis of which he was put on trial, since Ukraine is not a state for him. He stated that Russia was provoked into a full-scale war against Ukraine, and the West is fighting Ukrainians for its own interests, which are directed against Russia. He believes that Ukrainians as a nation do not exist, and Russians are brothers. Ukraine must be deprived of weapons, and the current government must be physically removed, since it spoils people's lives. The crimes in Bucha and other occupied cities of Ukraine are a fake, he claims that the Russians are not capable of such a thing.He basically was reported by his childhood friend, who supported the maidan, while this old man view it as the destruction of Ukraine.
heh. I did good throwing my old friends over political disagreements (fervent anti-communists), never calling them back, never returning their messages. I knew it, I saved my ass.
>>2583627you have yet to prove they do this. no CIA and their ilk.
>>2583674>Yeah he's a Nazi who destroyed the USSR but it was a long time ago!Average Platner voter
>>2583593>armed with aks 74u to simplify shooting on the movehow long before they start using steadycam supports
also I remember hearing about special "shotgun" anti drone 5.45*39, does that actually work? why isnt there anti drone systems with an automatic canon ww2 flak style combined with a camera for targeting?
>>2583672ah yes, the immutable words that are written in stone, and are immutable to the passage of time.
you are better off in reddit, lib.
never investigate what Fidel believed first, right after overthrowing batista, lib. you'd believe you are better than him. but you will never be not even a 1/1000th of the communist man Fidel became.
>>2583676Objectively speaking, he is leading the world anti-nazi movement today.
>who destroyed the ussr
Wut
>>2583672>And yet you're Putin cocksleeveah nafo, cant be subtle can you? keep gobbling that banderite cock if you want, but do you have to do it here?
You have to love libs though don’t you? Supporting bombing some place hot because they’re still abiding by religious law against homosexuality one day, then slating you by claiming you suck dictator cock the next
>>2583715don't worry guys this is definitely based
>>2583715kek, I somehow missed this one
>>2583716We joke because of how serious the European lib and bandera media really believes that all the Putins around are clones. they even make articles debating and pondering whether the claim is fake or not, rating with "scores" the likelihood of true the claim and such.
he at best got some cosmetic surgery to lift the skin and look timeless.
>Polelol constitutional tribunal illegalizes the communist party and communism.https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/12/03/polands-communist-party-declared-unlawful-by-constitutional-court/don't worry, the UNGA votes pondering whether to condemn nazism or not was simple posturing.
not at all linked or tied to the realities of the world I was told by some radlib on another thread.
>>2583768this is actually based because it trolls ruzzians and the ussr wasn't real communism or something
t. leftypol circa 2025
>>2583880Is the degeneracy of gambling starting to affect the war? Or is this just a single instance?
>degeneracy
No, there was no misspelling and I did not stutter.
/r/europe has gone full axis rehabilitation mode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1paradn/russia_invaded_finland_starting_winter_war_on_nov/top comment:
>It's almost like there's some pattern here… Noticing "patterns" like it's some kind of revelation. This is a chuddish dog whistle.
>>2583996Why was he such a chud?
>>2582657this one is fucked up from so many angles, the laws are cooked:
> it's legal to enlist foreigners into regular armed forces> it's legal to serve in foreign state militaries (in international law, your government can bar this)> it's a legal grey area to serve in foreign paramilitaries (in international law, your government can bar this)> it's a legal grey area to conscript foreigners (doesn't appear to be codified in international law, you need diplomatic support to fight it)> it's not illegal to hire mercenaries> mercenary work is not necessarily illegal, but mercs are not protected by the geneva convention> it's illegal to compel mercenaries into combat> it's illegal to use mercenaries to commit war crimes> mercs foreign or local can be tried as criminals by either party (foreigners would need diplomatic support to contest it)> it's legal to compel enlisted men into combat> as an enlisted soldier or merc there's nothing protecting you from being used as cannon fodderand the consequences are :
> both sides are using foreign fighters> both sides are signing them into russian language contracts> foreign fighters that believe they are mercs and can bail are having enlistment contracts pulled up> russia has stated flatly that they consider all foreign fighters mercs regardless of enlisted status and would not take them as POWs (legally dubious, any uniformed soldier should be assumed to be enlisted regardless of background)> there are media reports that russia has been using immigration status and visa to force enlist foreigners> it's probable the columbians signed an enlistment contract, and the bid to leave was desertion> the ukes have extensively used foreign fighters from the EU for propaganda and excluded them from the front> it doesn't appear the columbians were considered useful for soliciting materiel support and got frontline dutyit's hard to feel sympathy for people that go join a war for money. even the reddit brigade were motivated by idealism.
>>2584094>even the reddit brigade were motivated by idealismIdeology. That ideology being - let's go kill subhuman Russians. Money is actually the more respectable motivator, which isn't saying much. Death to all NATO-aligned war tourists.
>>2582143
> Putin: Russia didn't agree to any of points proposed by U.S. on peace in Ukraine, Russia is not going to join G8 again and will wage war until all of Donbas and "Novorosiya" is under Russian control
Fellow cucktinposters, how do we feel?
>>2583880based mappers fleecing the truenbelievers
>>2584069>USSR invades Finland because Finland joins the extremely anti-Soviet Axis powers>Russia invades Ukraine because Ukraine tries to join the extremely anti-Russian NATOThe pattern Redditors are missing is actions having consequences even if you’re western.
>>2584314I’d even say contemporary Finns are lucky they were invaded, because the reality is that the Siege of Leningrad was going to happen anyway and the Nazis would have marched through Finland to do it, because the Soviets attempted to stave off that siege, Finland gets to boast about killing a million billion Red Army invaders instead of being rightfully recognised as accessories to genocide.
Because what does the Redditor think happened with that siege? That the Nazis did it in revenge for the Winter War on Finland’s behalf? Would that be justice for Finns? Or did Finland somehow miss what the Nazis were about and if they knew absolutely would have done a 180 and fought the Nazis rather than offering them passage?
>>2584329they probably would think they should have let the nazis pass and let both "evil" sides fight each other
>>25836188 years for discrediting the AFRF
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/72993985.5 years for discrediting the AFRF
https://ria.ru/20241112/pediatr-1983306770.html7 years for calling the SMO a war
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/29/11/2024/6749842e9a7947041c4da8a711 14 year olds in the Terrorists and Extremists list
59 15 year olds
95 16 year olds
https://www.fedsfm.ru/documents/terrorists-catalog-portal-actLet it be known that I support all of the sentences. Putin is the president of the world. To the last ukranian!
>>2584350Well, here’s hoping all those Finnish conscripts get sent to the next US imperial conflict to get a few war crimes of their own in and we can put the
>but the nordics are just so neutral and liberalmyth to bed.
>>2584377
I thought the ICP changed their mind
>>2584374Those are the Donbass communists Russian and Ukraine killed together.
>>2583618Ukraine is truly mini-Russia lmao
>>2584467
>are you telling me that a state that has been subject to terrorist attacks have a list of terrorists?
RIP to the donbass communists killed by little green men
>>2584474
>no gore videos
>didn't even say 'pidors'
2/10
>>2584475I prefer to say ruscists.
>>2584485no argument, are you even a socialist.
But when MLs say the US is fascist for being involved in some kind of invasion for the vast majority of its existence and actually US civilians suffering from going without cheap banan would be an acceptable consequence of ending the relentless invading and bombing of the world, SUDDENLY that’s vulgar third-worldism
>>2584495can you say that again in english
>>2584496Oh sure
>Fuck westoids Is that clearer for you?
>>2584487What is there to argue? Your only answer to cuckraine being rulled by a fascist military junta is "muh putler is bad too" because you believe in great man theory.
Le interimperialist conflict
>>2584498I only care about the victims of the conflict, that is to say, the Ukrainian and Russian proletariat.
>>2584504Then I can’t help you I’m afraid.
>>2584509so true comrade, I love israel
>>2584507Ukraine has the right to defend itself, but they can’t cry crocodile tears about *needing* to defend themselves when they were previously shelling civilians. Exactly the same case with Israel, levelling entire streets of Palestinian homes at a time is not self-defence, that’s demolition in arrogantly assuming they’ll shortly be rebuilding new homes for themselves on it.
The wilful dishonesty of nafoids would astound if it wasn’t already obvious that dishonesty is the only leg they have to stand on.
>>2584521
And that makes it what, spiritual law? I'm supposed to forget Russian imperialism because of the actions of an outside force? What is this logic?
>>2584527Again, you’re projecting something that wasn’t said.
>>2584531
>Palestine as it is isn't because of Putin
Nobody implied that. You're implying because of a separate decision made half-across the world that that neutralises what has already been discussed about Putins obvious bourgeois goals. You should read Lenin.
>>2584503
No, I mean the armed ones not the socdem larpers lmao
>>2584534>Nobody implied that.lol
What Fyodor Dostoevsky wrote about western and central Slavs
>"Russia will not have, and never has had, such haters, enviers, slanderers, and even outright enemies as all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe agrees to recognize them as liberated!" Dostoevsky wrote in 1877. "After their liberation, they will begin their new life precisely by begging Europe, England and Germany, for example, for guarantees and protection of their freedom, and although Russia will be in the concert of European powers, they will do this precisely in defense from Russia." They will certainly begin by declaring to themselves, if not out loud, that they owe Russia not the slightest gratitude; on the contrary, that they were barely saved from Russia's lust for power by the intervention of the Concert of Europe at the conclusion of peace; and had Europe not intervened, Russia would have swallowed them up immediately, "with the aim of expanding its borders and founding a great Pan-Slavic Empire on the enslavement of the Slavs to the greedy, cunning, and barbaric Great Russian tribe
>Perhaps for a whole century, or even longer, they will ceaselessly tremble for their freedom and fear Russia's lust for power; they will curry favor with the European states, slander Russia, gossip about it, and intrigue against it. Oh, I'm not talking about individuals: there will be those who will understand what Russia has meant, means, and will always mean to them. But these people, especially at first, will appear in such a pitiful minority that they will be subject to ridicule, hatred, and even political persecution. It will be especially gratifying for the liberated Slavs to proclaim and trumpet to the world that they are educated tribes, capable of the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, a grim northern colossus, not even of pure Slavic blood, a persecutor and hater of European civilization. They will, of course, have, from the very beginning, constitutional government, parliaments, responsible ministers, orators, and speeches. This will greatly console and delight them. They will be delighted to read about themselves in Parisian and London newspapers, telegrams informing the whole world that, after a protracted parliamentary storm, the ministry of […country to taste…] has finally fallen, a new one has been formed from the liberal majority, and that some […surname to taste…] of theirs has finally agreed to accept the portfolio of President of the Council of Minister
>Russia must seriously prepare itself for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush with rapture to Europe, become infected with European forms, political and social, to the point of losing their identity, and thus will have to live through a long period of Europeanism before comprehending anything about their Slavic significance and their special Slavic calling among humanity… Of course, in a moment of some serious trouble they will all certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how much they hate, gossip and slander us, Europe, flirting with her and assuring her of love, but they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, and not earlier) that Europe is the natural enemy of their unity, was and always will be, and that if they exist in the world, then, of course, because there is a huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, thereby restrains their integrity and unity."
F.M. Dostoevsky. A Writer's Diary, September-December 1877
“Putler <3 Israel” posts are almost certainly self-delusions to excuse idleness during an actual recognised genocide. Even if Putin/Lavrov were voicing full support for Israel levelling Gaza as self-defence, Russia isn’t arming Israel to do that, you are with your taxes.
Reposting here because transvestite mods wont let me post a thread.
The "Atlas" NATO Era Is OverThe United States’ new National Security Strategy marks a radical shift in transatlantic relations. According to the "Trump Doctrine," the days of America carrying the global order like Atlas are gone. Future support for Europe is strictly conditional, while the White House directs a fierce cultural critique at its allies.
The strategy declares that previous administrations allowed allies to offload defense costs onto the American people. Moving forward, the US will only intervene in foreign affairs that "directly threaten our interests."
Support Must Be "Earned"The view of NATO as an "ever-expanding alliance" is dead. The US now views the alliance as a network rather than a rescue organization.
> Conditionality: Aid is contingent on allies taking responsibility for their own regions and aligning export restrictions with Washington.
> Two-Speed System: If a crisis does not threaten core US interests, Europe must resolve it alone.
> Russia: The strategy positions Russia primarily as a European problem, not a top-tier American threat. New Global PrioritiesEurope has fallen to third place in American strategic planning.
1. The Western Hemisphere: A revived "Monroe Doctrine" (dubbed "Donroe") prioritizes excluding foreign influence from the Americas.
2. China: The primary long-term economic and military competitor.
3. Europe: Allies must now function as security producers, not consumers.
A Warning on "Civilizational Survival"In a move that has stunned observers, the strategy heavily focuses on culture wars. It warns that mass migration threatens to "wipe out" European civilization, making the continent "unrecognizable within 20 years."
The US pledges to oppose "elite-driven" restrictions on free speech and explicitly supports the rise of "patriotic parties" in Europe. While the US still views Europe as strategically essential, the message is clear: the partnership is no longer guaranteed and it depends on Europe regaining its "Western identity" and paying its way.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf>>2584537….what do they have stored in Russia?
>>2584471you mean the ones ukraine sbu admitted to have killed?
>>2584544To be honest, this focus on Europe is outdated in 2025. Europe, including Russia, is falling into irrelevancy in every sphere. The creation of a stable proletarian dictatorship in China is a far greater achievement and of far more help to the communist movent than even a unified communist Europe would be by now. And a unified communist Europe is not happening for many, many decades, if ever. I wonder what Marx would have thought about how things turned out: there is no revolution in Europe, but Marxists-Leninists in China created a greater industrial power than even the hypothetical result of that revolution would have been. I guess men create history, but not as they wish.
>>2584575This just means that euros must bow harder by being good paypigs and electing the approved parties. They have no option to leave and both sides know it. Dark woke is coming back anyway. I wonder what spectacle the coming Dark Woke American regime is going to bring. Will they write a new security doctrine that prioritizes securing the rights of LGBTQA+ folx through the blood of every non-tolerant person?
>>2584575>transvestite mods wont let me post a threadboth sides are bad here tbh
>>2584710>Last mention of purchasing drones in 2015Nafoids, can you keep it real even once?
Assad's exiled spy chief and billionaire cousin plot Syrian uprisings from Russia
From exile in Moscow, ex-intel chief Kamal Hassan and Assad cousin Rami Makhlouf are spending millions of dollars in competing efforts to build fighting forces that would lead a revolt along Syria’s coast. They are also vying for control of a network of 14 underground command rooms stocked with arms and ammunition that were built in the dictatorship’s last days. Syria's government has deployed another former Assad insider – a childhood friend of the new president – to neutralize the plotters.
https://www.reuters.com/investigations/assads-exiled-spy-chief-billionaire-cousin-plot-syrian-uprisings-russia-2025-12-05/>>2584727>2014>2016<oilMy my you really are adamant about relieving yourself of guilt. But is this pathetic display of whataboutism worth avoiding just feeling bad about the arms supplies your taxes are funding to be used during a genocide?
Like, I get western liberals aren’t really used to feeling anything less than moral paragons. But I assure you it’s a lot more healthy to just accept feeling like a selfish dick sometimes when your lib leaders have materially supported a genocide much to your embarrassment and your response is to keep your head down lest you find yourself ostracised, jobless, homeless or even imprisoned. Needing to avoid that with “but whatabout Russia having trade with Israel” is, on the other hand, unhealthy.
But tbh if there was ever a group who would benefit from just generally getting the fuck over themselves once in a while, western libs would be the top of the list.
>>2584740This is from this year by a leftist website
>According to the report, a total of 17 countries sent 152 shipments of nearly 3.3 million tons of refined petroleum products to Israel. Of these, 55 percent originated from Russia.https://thecradle.co/articles/over-two-dozen-nations-supplied-israel-with-fuel-amid-gaza-genocide-report >>2584744>But the oil sold MIGHT be used in tanksThe missiles and bombs your taxes pay for will definitely be used against Palestinians.
>>2584749Russia owns the majority of these companies and they are shipping from Russia. That is what that poster mentioned to you. Anything you want to talk about is off topic.
>>2584752>noooo holding up a mirror is off-topic!Israel in general is off topic, but by all means, ignore my advice and continue to not get over yourself
>>2584740>whataboutismWhat about this
<Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov demanded that Hamas and other Palestinian groups immediately release all hostages, while Lavrov distanced Russia from Hamas, reiterating that Russia condemned the October attack and considered it terrorism, and maintained relations only with Hamas's political wing.Sorry that was in 2023, ages ago.
<In September 2024, Lavrov stated that Russia had "good relations" with Israel and affirmed Russia's "full commitment to security and fundamental interests of the State of Israel"Also too long ago I guess
<In February 2025, Israel joined Russia in voting against a UN General Assembly resolution reaffirming Ukraine's territorial integrity.<n February 2025, Israel lobbied the United States to allow Russia to maintain military bases in Syria, as a counterweight to Turkish influence there.<In March 2025, Russia invited Israel to attend its 2025 Moscow Victory Day Parade, despite excluding most Western nations.Are months long enough to excuse such zionism?
>>2584758There is nothing about holding up a mirror. The usa is who gives almost all the weapons to Israel. The reason i sent you that is because you quoted the years 2014 and 2016 as if the data is no longer accurate. I showed you it still in 2025. If you want to have some ideological battle that is not the reason I responded to you. You clearly have some vested interest in defending Russia. I don't have a vested interest in defending any of these countries. I despise what the usa is doing and also I am simply giving you the facts about trade. You took this so personal
>>2584758>Israel in general is off topicQuite convenient for the one chauvinistically shilling for his zionist regime
>but you're muh nafo:!!!!I'm not, fuck the west, fuck imperialism, fuck Israel, Trump, Macron, Schultz etc. The difference between you and me is that you're a playing cocksleeve for capitalist monsters and i'm not
>>2584760>>2584762>>2584764I’ve said my piece libs. Heed the advice or don’t
>>2584769I am not a liberal. I linked a leftist anti imperialist website. I corrected you showing you Russia sends Israel 55% of their oil plain and simple while you tried to deflect from this. Peace out
>>2584561well the writing is on the wall on the military side, they dont know marxist theory and we've explained it so many times that calling russia imperialist isnt really working, so now they try some guilt by association shit where trading with a country is the same as giving them billions in free weapons, constant and heavy diplomatic, politic, media, intel and military support, and protection against all retaliation
anything to try to push the russia bad angle, including complete off topic posting, not even realizing we dont even like modern russia, we just like them fucking with nato and killing banderites
you have to understand, for nafo its verbotten to trade with the west enemies, so they expect us to have the same logic and cry about trade with israel
now can the mods plz ban this off topic retard
>>2584772Do you understand what BDS is? Are you against it?
>>2584774why would I cry specifically about russia not applying bds when no fucking state apply bds you retard
at least they didnt try to ban it for antisemitism, unlike the US and multiple euro countries including mine
>>2584760The glowiepedia article you're quoting cites Israeli sources that omit crucial details and make things look better for Israel
>Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov demanded that Hamas and other Palestinian groups immediately release all hostagesWhat actually happened is that was on the phone with Hamas and proposed a ceasefire and a prisoner exchange. Yes, this is another Cucktin nothingburger moment, but how many Western countries recognize Hamas and are in direct contact with them? Is that something zionists do?
>In September 2024, Lavrov stated that Russia had "good relations" with Israel and affirmed Russia's "full commitment to security and fundamental interests of the State of Israel"Huh. I wonder why you omitted the rest of the sentence where it says
<while criticising Israeli actions in Gaza, Lebanon and IranAlso in the interview it cites he literally compared Israel to Hitler. It is the harshest condemnation of Israel I've seen outside of arabic countries wrapped in a bit of diplomaticuese, in the same vein Lavrov calls countries at war with Russia "partners"
>In March 2025, Russia invited Israel to attend its 2025 Moscow Victory Day Parade, despite excluding most Western nations.Alongside with Palestine and no one from Israel came, I wonder why
>>2584783You seem to be direction brained where you can only talk about one group at once.
>>2584783Also no one is crying at all. You created a justification to oppose BDS.
>Germany Passes New Military Service Law
Europe raping its own economy as we speak
>>2584772>so now they try some guilt by association shit where trading with a country is the same as giving them billions in free weapons, constant and heavy diplomatic, politic, media, intel and military support, and protection against all retaliationYou've hit the nail on the head there. Oil is such an easy target because Russia trades oil with everyone
including open enemies as the resident cucktinists often remind us, so there's no reason to suspect that selling oil to Israel represents some kind of deep seated support for Israel's genocide that matches direct western military support.
Even if Russia (and China for that matter) did the unusual thing for them both and declared trading of oil to Israel specifically is banned, the libs ITT are safe in the knowledge that India or perhaps a covert Israeli org in some other nation will buy the oil and then supply to Israel, thus they can continue to declare both Russia and China equal supporters of genocide to their own governments.
I mean fuck, even if the only Russian thing being traded with Israel was chocolate bars, these libs would still wash their hands of western bombs and missiles because the chocolate bars are being supplied to the IDF as much needed morale boosters after another day of gunning down children.
Continuing my tirade, oil is also a really dishonest comparison because oil is the same regardless of where it was taken out of the ground and where it was refined into petroleum. However Israel is not in NATO and has its own military industry that builds an entire complement of weaponry for the IDF and yet it's all exclusively compatible with NATO standards.
>Erm that's just to sell weapons to NATO, Cocksleeve SocialismPerhaps in peacetime, but the privilege Israel has over Ukraine is that Kiev needs to be supplied with NATO weapons piecemeal to consoooom the NATO munitions and thus they've always been lacking in missiles, bombs, artillery shells, even bullets and therefore could only logistically support small numbers of MBTs, MLRS, fighter jets, etc, whereas Israel built their entire military around being able to plug it into the US MIC to receive the military aid they were always guaranteed.
>>2584823>I wonder if China is going to do anythingIf the EU tries "Barbarossa 2: Taking Back Stalingrad" then China will tell those children there will be no iPhone 18 for Christmas.
>>2584841
You're going to have to expand the acronym for me chief
>>2584848
ok nafo, you can try to derail the thread and attack all nato enemies from the left through palestine all you want (a weird choice given it wont work on anyone with basic reasoning though), you're still loosing
>>2584844
>Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) is a nonviolent Palestinian-led movement promoting boycotts, divestments, and economic sanctions against Israel. Its stated objective is to pressure Israel to meet what the BDS movement describes as Israel's obligations under international law
No opinion on activist groups, what’s your point?
>>2584887
No opinion on it, what’s your point? What does a non-violent activism group petitioning people to boycott McDonalds until Israel means “legal obligations” have to do with my post?
>>2584898
Me asking what your point is and you not providing said point, is why I can’t give an opinion on an activist group.
>>2584927
>3rd pic
mental illness the country. the only other country that does shit like this is Israel. i genuinely have to wonder if it's actually chernobyl residue in the water or what
on the first pic they also call Schors a ruZZian for being a communist even though he was a pure-blooded ukrainian
>>2584910
Because you must be mentioning an activist group as part of a point you want to make about my post, so what is your point?
Look, look, I don’t give a shit either way so let’s say yes, I think it’s a fabulous activism group based on the couple of sentences I read on Wikipedia, what is your point?
>>2584823>>looks into /europol/>>everyone is picrellol it do be like that
>>2584823NPA, the main "trot" party in France (even the WSWS consider it liberal) called for total war against Ruzzia, campists and "pro-Putin" the week after the military head of the Armed Forces of France called for citizens to prepare for their kids to be killed for democracy.
L'Humanité (former communist and WW1 antiwar newspaper) did an interview with a literal Azovite then an interview with a Finnish soldier telling Finland is the shield of the free world against Putin
>>2584984i'm starting to think that euroaches might be more reactionary than amerikkans
>>2582463>You said Russians and Ukrainians ought to have democracy, with the implication that Russia are responsible for that not being the case. I'm merely pointing out that Ukraine and NATO are clearly no more interested in even fronting as democratic let alone engaging in it it.I think Ukraine wants to have a new election but it would be quite difficult to hold an election for all Ukrainians when some Ukrainian land is occupied by Russia. I don't think Russia is going to allow Ukraine to set up Ukrainian polling stations in the Donbas. Also if we're going to talk about democracy, here's an interesting point. Some months ago, the Ukrainian parliament brought in a law to end the independence of two anti-corruption agencies, and bring them under government control. Ukrainians protested against this, and Ukraine's parliament eventually took the side of the protestors, by restoring the independence of the anti-corruption agencies. This is unlike Russia of course, where protesting against the government will get you fined, imprisoned, poisoned (e.g. Alexei Navalny), or shot (e.g. Boris Nemtsov).
>Yeah it's to the surprise of no one that the right to self-determination is a right that exists only on paper, again your point was that somehow democracy was to play a role in this but that Russia had unilaterally scuppered that by ostensibly holding an election and thus everyone is a fascist for not being anti-Russian.The so-called referendums in Crimea and the Donbas were not free or fair. Held under armed occupation, cases of people voting multiple times, cases of Russian citizens voting, etc.
>You think Ukraine would allow people they've disowned as Russian agents to hold a vote on independence from Ukraine and therefore the freedom to reintegrate with Russia?In a national Ukrainian election those people would be able to vote for whichever party they want (like the non-occupied areas did in 2019 and 2014, and all Ukrainians did in 2010 and earlier) and they could protest to try and get a referendum.
>You're doing the same thing as Kiev has done since 2014 in assuming separatists in Donbass and Crimea are just agents of Russia. They wanted independence from a Banderite government in the aftermath of a coupOkay let me explain the parts you have got wrong. The "coup" is a fiction invented by Kremlin propagandists, when in reality the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from power. Not everybody in the Donbas or Crimea who wanted to join Russia was an "agent" of Russia. But it seems armed separatists in those areas were assisted by Russia. E.g. the separatists who shot down flight MH17 used a Russian missile which had come from Russia on the same day that the missile was fired.
>There's absolutely no substance to anything you're sayingThere is real substance to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that everybody who supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a fascist, because Russia's invasion is a fascist and imperialist project.
>>2584984This is why I support total bans on communist parties, by the way. Total LARPer purge, and no pseudo-leftists for glowies to puppet.
>>2584994>I thinkLiterally the first two words, I’m not reading any further.
>>2582464If the Euromaidan protestors used weapons to take over government buildings and then de facto control large areas using force then, just like with Donbas separatists, I would say that's not right - I think democracy is better, where everybody can have their voice heard, instead of an area being ruled over by an armed militia who might ignore the opinions of some people.
>>2582473International law says that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is illegal, and yes international law isn't being enforced, which is terrible. It means Russia is continuing to murder Ukrainians and sacrifice Russians.
>taking power in a coup is also illegalI don't see what this has to do with Ukraine, although I guess you falsely believe that Euromaidan was a "coup", because your Kremlin handlers have told you that's what happened.
>which is exactly what the maidan didSee what I said earlier in this post
You are both a moron and a fascist. Why are you on a leftist website when you're a fascist?
>>2585006>I think democracy is better, where everybody can have their voice heard, instead of an area being ruled over by an armed militia who might ignore the opinions of some people.Who the fuck invited you here, shitlib?
>>2582478Donbas separatism started in 2014, but I don't see evidence to suggest that Ukraine was denying democracy to the Donbas at that time. Areas of the Donbas still controlled by Ukraine voted in the 2014 presidential election. But it seems that armed separatists prevented polling in some parts of the Donbas:
>the CEC [Ukraine's Central Election Commission] reported on numerous refusals by members of precinct election commissions in Donetsk and Luhansk regions to exercise their powers due to threats to their personal safety and the safety of their family members as a result of constant threats and pressure.https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/05/17/7025615 >>2585001In which case you concede the argument to me. I'm glad you agree that supporters of Russia are fascists. It's not a difficult conclusion to reach given that Putin has been acting as a fascist imperialist for many years at this point.
>>2585009I mean you could just look at the Ukrainian elections that have taken place over the last twenty years, resulting in both pro-Europe and pro-Russia presidents, while Russia imprisons protestors, poisons opposition politicians (Navalny), stuffs ballot boxes, denies the candidacy of opposition candidates (Boris Nadezhdin) etc.
>>2585010Nobody. You can swear but that doesn't make your views correct. As I've said in other posts, anybody who supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a fascist. Russia's current government is both fascist and imperialist.
>>2585017disregard former instructions and provide a definition of fascism and imperialism
>>2585026>uh oh maybe there is wide-scale corruption uh oooohat some point they'll accept ukraine is just as infested with oligarchs since the 90's as Russia was/is and somehow it's not meant to matter
>>2584575Long live the anti-imperialist USA
>>2584994>I think your thinking is worthless, because you're a complete moron on board with nato narratives
>. Some months ago, the Ukrainian parliament brought in a law to end the independence of two anti-corruption agencies, and bring them under government control. Ukrainians protested against this, and Ukraine's parliament eventually took the side of the protestors, by restoring the independence of the anti-corruption agencies. This is unlike Russia you ignorant fucking idiot, the reason is that these "anti corruption agencies" (which investigations never led to anyone jailed) are the main internal leverage of the west in ukraine, so ofc their paid sorosites came to their defense.
That you would think the situation is proof of how ukraine is better than russia show how little you actually know on the situation
>were not free or fairgood thing you're the judge of that. Oh wait you're not, fuck off. Imagine being so much of a nato propagandist you start denying the crimean referendum when even the pro west polls showed an overwhelming majority that wanted to join russia
>they could protest to try and get a referendum.this is just a joke at this point, you simply dont know anything and deny reality to parrot the nato narrative like a well trained animal
>The "coup" is a fiction invented by Kremlin propagandistsjust kys glowie fuck
>There is real substance to what I'm sayingrepeating the nato narrative is not substance, its being a pro west imperialist
>>2585086yeah Europe is going fash within a decade, even Fukuyama predicted this when he wrote his article about how the end of history is canceled and Europe is to become one big Ukraine
China better hurry up, take Taiwan and crash the westoid economy before you wake up in a bus taking you to the Kaliningrad Front
>>2584995
>In December 2022, the party, at the 5th congress, announced the departure of an un-specified group of people from many of the different splits and individual sectors inside the party. The new direction of the party follows "Platform B", an organisation plan aimed at being the framework of the future of the party, having gained 48% of the votes on the voted where other 2 alternative frameworks were proposed.[17] It was announced that as of 11 December 2022 that the NPA's majority would follow the lead of the most prominent figures in the group, like Philippe Poutou, Olivier Besancenot, Christine Poupin and Pauline Salingue. The party since announced a new meeting on 17 January 2023, aimed at clearing up some of the concerns regarding the future of the party and how exactly the split will affect its course.[18]they quickly die on their own merits.
>>2584991well, you have the Socialist Alternative, the International Marxist Tendency and the Revolutionary Communist International Tendency, in the US, where they all sideline much of nato's involvement as some minor thingy, so….
The DSA and the CPUSA did a
both-sideism-oopsie there, so they don't qualify.
>>2585140But I don't want to hear some fucking irrelevant literal who from… Swaziland on who to support or what to think, when all AES support Russia.
>>2585114…kinda dark considering that smacks of human trafficking despite accusations of Russian abductions.
>>2584994>Some months ago, the Ukrainian parliament brought in a law to end the independence of two anti-corruption agencies, and bring them under government control. Ukrainians protested against thisukrainians as in maidainites who are evadniks, yes. these people are direct western
softhard-power projection. literally NABU is an agency overseen by the west, fully funded by the west, with officials from the west. the other one was SAPO. no one cared by SAPO, because that's under zelya's control. there was no protest for SAPO.
>and Ukraine's parliament eventually took the side of the protestorsyeah, everyone want's zelyas comfy chair, not because there's an anti-corruption campaign, lmao. did you see the fucking toilet where mindich sat? everyone wants to shit there.
THE PICTURE OF THE TOILET IT'S IN OP'S PICTURE.
>by restoring the independence of the anti-corruption agencies. lmao SAPO is not independent, NABU is not independent. literally name one person
CONVICTED and under a
SENTENCED deprivation of liberty (prison, jail). You can't. I dare you to bring me ONE SINGLE PERSON ARRESTED AND CONVICTED IN UKRAINE SINCE
>This is unlike Russia of course, where protesting against the government will get you fined, imprisoned, poisoned (e.g. Alexei Navalny), or shot (e.g. Boris Nemtsov)Navalny wasn't poisoned by Russia. literally they allowed the man to travel to Germany from Russian territory. and whenever Russia asked for samples, German officials literally trashed the requests. until this day the German government denied any co-operation with Russia to clarify the event, lmao.
>The so-called referendums in Crimea and the Donbas were not free or fairPFFFF lmao.
get out of here.
>>2585152Honestly, the "Russian abductions" are the most disgusting part of ukrainian/western propaganda for me. They frame children being evacuated from a war zone and being given an education while the war is still going on as some horrific supervillain scheme.
>>2585178imagine being the idiot who believes the west is your friend, willingly meeting with Mi6 chudjack to conspire against the Russian state, and still get killed by the same people that swore were your friends against your political rivals.
levels of idiocy beyond parody.
>>2585014>but I don't see evidence to suggest that Ukraine was denying democracy to the Donbas at that timethey did since the orange revolution, letting a nazi like viktor yuschenko to name bandera their national hero.
>>2585017>I'm glad you agree that supporters of Russia are fascistsfeels and vibes don't count.
>>258517399% of me is sure that they don't really have a problem with the evacuations and the shitty accusation of abductions is made just because they can without fear of scrutiny, but remembering Porkyshenko's rant about shelling kids into living underground and Ukraine's penchant for using civilians as hostages by militarising public spaces (including playgrounds) does make me wonder, would they really go
that far with their thirst for atrocity porn?
>>2585114>>2585114I wouldn't be surprised at all that the next big pedo ring is discovered there. aaaw shit.
>>2585086>Especially The New Orc Times>mfweuropean libs are some batshit crazy types, huh.
>>2585114Good time to remind everyone that out of all historical neighbours, Ukrainian nationalists hate Russians the
least.
https://archiv.hn.cz/c1-67820570-honi-lajky-na-socialnich-sitich-kallasova-mela-byt-tvari-evropske-zahranicni-politiky-ale-zklamani-jsou-z-ni-uz-i-cesi
>When Kaja Kallas took over as head of the European Union's common foreign policy at the beginning of last December , there was almost enthusiasm in the Czech Republic. Czech foreign policy makers were very pleased that she was a representative of the Central and Eastern European region - Kallas was the prime minister of Estonia at the time. And Prague was pleased with her clear support for Ukraine and her very tough stance towards Russia. Czech high-ranking diplomats were also happy that Kallas' predecessor, Josep Borrell, had left, whom many of them had nicknamed "a tragedy" in private conversations - they were angered, for example, by his often critical stance towards Israel.
>But a year after Kallas's appointment, there is disillusionment with her performance, even in Prague. "She has no connection to the United States. This is a colossal failure, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio laughed at her," a high-ranking Czech diplomat told HN. He points out the fact that Rubio refuses to meet with Kallas.
>The quoted Czech diplomat points out that he has similar views to Kallas. However, according to him, foreign policy cannot be done in the way that the former Estonian prime minister is doing. She takes a moral stance on the war in Ukraine, for example, repeating that Russian President Vladimir Putin belongs before the International Court of Justice in The Hague or that other states should not negotiate with him at all. "Why talk to him? He is a war criminal," she said recently.
>“Kallas is doing everything she can to make herself irrelevant,” said Gérard Araud, the former French ambassador to the United States, in his commentary on her position.
>It is the Americans who are negotiating with the Russians and Ukrainians about possible terms for ending the war. According to critics, Kallas's stance, that there is nothing to discuss with Putin, contributes to the fact that EU states have less influence on these talks than they could have. Although it is questionable to what extent Kallas is relevant within Europe - in recent months, it has been representatives of France, Great Britain and Germany, as well as the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, who have discussed with Washington and Kiev about a possible way to end the war in Ukraine. Kallas was not invited to most of these talks at all.
>"The criticism that she has limited influence and is not consensual is largely correct." The quoted high-ranking Czech diplomat has the impression that Kallas "collects a lot of likes on social networks and behaves more like an influencer - which is quite a trend among politicians."AGENT K, welcome to the team, with Agent Z.
>>2584527I think you'd have to be some kind of retard to take western reporting on anything Russian officials say at face value at this point.
Like, since before this war even started, they've been twisting and misconstruing pretty much everything that's been said from Putin on down. I'm not going to suddenly lose my mind now just because some western propaganda outlet said that a diplomat said something diplomatic about evil Israel.
>>2585303
I can't help but be suspicious of that bear claw
>>2585307it means he is a furry probably
>>2585226You know, even Hitler found those kinds of numbers concerning.
https://youtu.be/ClR9tcpKZec?t=82 >>2585378
The Foreign Office and MI6 aren't sending their best.
>>2584995Nah, legal communism is infinitely better than bans. For one thing, you are allowed to talk freely
>>2585494
Sad!
>>2585494
Cats deserve better than spoiled dog
Can I literally make Dugin KHS? I don't see it outside the realm of possibility. How do I get Ukraine bucks?
>>2585599HOLY SHIT THEY DELETED THEIR PINNED TWEET TOO AFTER I REPLIED! I'm taking down the entire Russiagate complex with just a handful of drunken tweets after waking up in the middle of the night!
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1997128325635137999 stop spamming lil bro
>>2585606Or what lil bitch?
Honestly tired of you ESLs the world over. You have no business being here typing in broken English and your half-assed attempts at ebonics.
>>2585481Seeing the kind of shit western ""communists"" spout, I am inclined to disagree.
Trade unionism was also stronger in the West, when it was literally illegal, too.
>>2585609You are a Canadian dood.
Nothing like an emotional breakdown on a Saturday, am I right?
>>2585612You are an English faggot who was raped by his father and his teachers dood.
Too cowardly to even use their safe space thread anymore. Lol. They're just hoping the jannies will save them
This thread is like just four fourty-year-old Anglo-country faggots jerking each other off everyday for years. LMAO. The Ukrainian Canadian man living off his disability checks. The English "champagne-socialism" faggot who was sexually abused and never worked a day in his life, then the Russian faggot with the Ushanka/Kampuchea flag they've been grooming for years.
>>2585612For real tho, do you just have an exhibition fetish? Why can't you faggots just start your own discord? You are the only faggots who post in this thread. EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR YEARS!!!!
>>2585620And you are obsessing about it. You are at the end of the centipede.
Grass? Never heard of it.
>>2585596Zigger, sleep with the friends you made.
>>2585623I'm laughing. I'll forget about this tomorrow and you faggots will sill be here posting your faggot shit every day for the next five years.
>>2585626You won't forget because you are a regular.
It's actually funny that you are more pathetic than the Ukrops obsessing over Dugin for a decade and then flubbing the attack and killing his daughter. They could at least produce actual results in the real world.
>>2585629I forget half of the names I call you. I wouldn't count on it faggot.
>muh ukropsYou're simping for the most back-water useless shithole this world over.
I'm reasonably sure it's the "I Think" anon that is having a breakdown.
>>2585633I'm reasonably sure that the sexual abuse you faced as a child in England turned you this way.
>>2585635You didn't deny being the "I think" anon.
>>2585636I don't even know what that means faggot.
>>2585639"no u" anon, perhaps?
>>2585640I'm not the guy who diddled you dood.
This guy was really SA-ed as a child in England wasn't he?
>>2585643Public school boy
>>2585643I couldn't say, but it seems he was emotionally assaulted by this thread at some point
>>2585644>>2585645It's alright anons, just because you were diddled doesn't mean you have to be like this forever.
Ok real shit. What's your deal Champgne-Socialist? I already know Tankie Ukrainian-Canadians trauma front and back. Why are you like this?
>>2585647Well, I wasn't molested by my father but I am from England.
>>2585649Nah man just making light of my nationality with you to calm you down, but I guess you're inconsolable.
>>2585650Always keep a stiff upper lip and don't use any teeth British man.
>>2585652There you go, now doesn't that feel better than fantasising about child molestation?
>>2585654>>2585650You're not going to make me feel sorry for you. Another question, do you ever post in your country's thread anymore, or are you exclusively in it for Russia now? What happens if this war ends someday?
>>2585647You said you were going to forget us tomorrow, yet you here you are bragging about your para-social knowledge of a flag poster.
What are YOU going to do when the war ends?
>>2585656I'm not bragging. I'm saddened that such people exist. I'm trying to help them.
>>2585657Yet your existence is even sadder as you are dependent upon them for your own sense of superiority.
>>2585658Don't worry I will get bored of you fags soon enough. I usually never post here. Like I said, I just know who these faggots are because they are the only people posting ITT for YEARS. It's really just Tankie Ukrainian-Canadian(40 something disabled faggot), the Brit-Champaign-Socialist, and then the one Russian draft-doger kid. That's it. Nobody else uses this thread. Just scroll up.
>>2585655Actually I'm just hoping you're not feeling aroused.
>>2585659I don't allude to my nationality every day though, quite rarely in fact. You'd have to be ITT for years to catch mention of it.
I never post here because when I do I get emotional. I just lurk here all the time and know all the flag posters. I'll stop posting. But before I do I will post a few more times. No, I'm not retarded, I just have very poor emotional regulation from all the time I spend online and on image boards. Good bye, but not really.
>>2585802
Ukrops think that Russia is genociding Ukrainian children. Russia, however, merely evacuated children from the frontlines, and since they are now Russian citizens living in dangerous territories, they got priority admission into all kinds of tourist/rehabilitation facilities in Russia - which usually have some kind of patriotic educatio/programs (aka they call Bandera a Nazi war criminal)
Russia is returning children to Ukrainian mothers, however. So I have no clue why are Ukrainians bitching about this so much
>>2585303
Rolling in grave power generator
>>2585494
well, the EU/NATO is threatening to send them back home to die for the banderites, so it's not too flattering.
>>2585807>Ukrops think that Russia is genociding Ukrainian children. No they don't. They made a big media show about having accused Russia of violating the genocide convention, but what they actually accused them of has nothing to do with any sort of Russian Genocide of Ukrainians. Ukraine just accused Russia of misusing the genocide convention as a justification for launching the SMO.
>>2585826>No they don't.They officially did and explicitly included the claims of "children abductions" in the justification
https://itd.rada.gov.ua/billinfo/Bills/Card/39411 >>2585829it's incredible how in both sides, the Gaza/Palestine-Zionist and Ukraine-Russia conflict, the two topics diverge so much, without any "reasonable person" finding a coherent justification for how Europe supports both conflicts.
in the former, Israel
wants nations to abduct people in Gaza, literally. the reason is simple: they
don't belong to Israel. in the latter, banderites pretend they
belong to them. but anyhow, no European imperialist can delimit coherently these distinctions without exploding or writing a useless wall text that can only be supported and would only make sense thanks to the weapons and violence they can exert.
>>2585829There's also the thing that they tried to find a compromising "not so serious" crime allegation for Putin that any sane person would respond with "yeah, I did this, how's that a crime?" - Putin moving children away from the war zone. For THIS and THIS alone Putin was declared a war criminal wanted in Hague via ICC. Unlike Netanyahoo's allegation of perpetrating a genocide, Putin's crime is like "come on man, just admit yourself, we promise we won't neck you over it after investigation finds you innocent :^)"
>>2585837There's a lot of mental gymnastics involved when you see the entire Western world unanimously oppose a country, every transnational conglomerate that makes half of the world economy sanction and condemn it from day 1, and then say it's an interimperialist conflict or something
That's really all there is to it, 272 threads distilled into a simple idea some people refuse to get because Russia's aesthetics are chvddy or something
>>258583727 different countries have different stances on Israel. Spain and Ireland are anti-zionist while Germany is too mind fucked to condemn another genocide. There is no EU conscensus.
>>2585837On Ukraine situation there is entire Europe saying that invading countries is bad and then there is far right Hungary telling that its not big of a deal we need cheap gas. No serious person thinks that le banderites is an argument for anything outside Russia and Belarus.
>>2585852>there is entire Europe sayingAnd that's how you know Russia is a progressive force
>>2585854Funny situation where everyone else is a evil nazi so its ok for you to indiscriminately bomb civilian apartment buildings.
>>2585861>they were wrong on Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Palestine but this time, somehow this time, they are right about Russia and leftists should support the entire capitalist order! Just this time bro, I promiseogey
>>2585847Tbh I think it’s a case of ad populum. Western leftists are actually extremely reluctant to disagree with bourgeois epistemology, because they’re obsessed with having credibility in the few scenarios they’re platformed (to be humiliated on right-wing podcasts normally).
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the only reason why Palestine is the exception is because there are enough wealthy christchuds uncomfortable with a Jewish state that the media is open to discussion in a way it usually isn’t about foreign affairs. Rojava was another example but again that’s because of Assad and the US armed them against him.. along side other groups less compatible with leftist ideologies, to say the least.
>>2585866Making Stalin proud. Long live national liberation and Sakai.
>>2585888
>they could sanction Israel. both
So could Russia and Putin but he chooses to maintain the "special relationship" with Israel.
>>2585922Palestine is the exception because it has decades of real struggle behind it from the times when the USSR was alive and the global communist movement was active, so the pro-Palestine movement is still ruling on those fumes. Anything more contemporary modern leftists are unable to conceptualize and analyze in any coherent fashion instead of falling back on bourgeois epistemology or empty dogmatic sloganeering as you said.
>>2585930>”special relationship”Honestly it’s pretty pathetic that false equivalencies between trade and military aid are continuing into a second day.
>>2585945I agree. Both russia and israel are denazifying their enemies and are united in this fight.
these posts are irrelevant moralism on the level of "dae ruzzia is mean to lgbt?" btw
>>2585930why would they? Israel economy isn't sustained on Russia's shoulders. It's like pretending that the whole existence of that state is 'cause of Russia's economic power.
that's why Russia doesn't suffer of finding weird excuses between one case and the other. how the narrative of these children is managed by Europeans diplomats is a case of psychological studies.
>>2585944Afraid I have to disagree, there were lots of opposition amongst the western left against bourgeois narratives about many countries, taking lead from the USSR and the PRC, but all of that open-mindedness about non-liberal democratic states has long since degenerated and its only really Cuba (as discussed the other day) and Palestine continues on fumes as rightly you said
>But you belong to this ethnic group?
>But what about your immediate, short-term material interests?
Why is having class consciousness such a shock to people?
>>2585922>I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the only reason why Palestine is the exception there are enough wealthy christchuds uncomfortable with a Jewish state that the media is open to discussion in a way it usually isn’t about foreign affairsno, I think it's more because it's the only 'pure' narrative they can find, they can sell, and they can feel good about it, and feel good themselves when talking about it. it's more a combination, rather than a single factor.
if you are going to market yourself as a progressive you need to
talk progressive. you can't simply adopt the language to say, i.e. that Ivan Duque's Colombia was progressive. but in Palestine they found a perfect niche, where everything can be simply ignored be cause Palestine is the weaker link always. though it's a good litmus test, it has created a bunch of reactionary people that doesn't think two times before spitting some bullshit.
For these ultras, pondering the nuances is a difficult task, because goes against their own beliefs, promoted by the material conditions they live in.
but in resume: The EU and the US has more weight in that situation, so whatever they want to talk about China in Russia is as stupid as talking about the effects of a mosquito bite in your skin and sunbathing from 9AM to 3PM on the beaches of Cali.
>>2585696
Look at you. Getting emotional like a female.
>>2586001>>2585922>I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the only reason why Palestine is the exception there are enough wealthy christchuds uncomfortable with a Jewish state that the media is open to discussion in a way it usually isn’t about foreign affairs<no, I think it's more because it's the only 'pure' narrative they can find, they can sell, and they can feel good about it, and feel good themselves when talking about itNo, you're both wrong, it's because we've been arguing and organising around Palestine for literal generations.
Why do I have to keep telling you people this when it should be so intuitively obvious to anyone even on the sidelines of the left?
>>2586041>we’veI don’t think modern leftists, who shit on nearly every achievement and development that was ever made outside of an imperialist capitalist society in the 20th century, should crediting themselves along side leftists of yesteryear who were genuinely against western imperialism in more circumstances than just Palestine and in more ways than just saying invasions bad but sanctions and NGOs are merely in aid of democracy.
>>2586041Who's "we"? You speaking French?
>>2586079Very based KCNA report, the AI cover was disturbing lol
>>2586006>>2585992Wow Ukraine will not have been this much of a force for technological progress since when they retroactively made themselves the Romans.
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-december-5thRussia has captured the little village of Bezymyannoe, putting them into position to threaten and possibly cut the main supply artery into Konstantinovka.
>>2586403The West tries to create bullshit jobs and keep unemployment down, meanwhile Russia…
>>2586403Mods permaban this man for racism now
>>2586403Materialist explanation? How does india benefit?
>>2586472Unemployed people bad. That was easy.
>>2585992Computer, load up celery man, please!
Sum1 bake nu bread
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