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>warsaw ghetto uprising survivor smashing holodomor memorial
based
gore is degenerate
>>2587034Context: Ukrops were looking for ghost pixels proving that the people shot by that tank were Russians, for like a couple of days they've been explaining to themselves how it oculdn't have been Ukrainian losses caught on camera. SO
>>2587031 are you sure it's Russian losses?
>>2587040
Still no need.
>>2587043When the Americans deliberately split the EU up and eat them all, dominating them economically totally and fully, will the Poles stop being reactionaries?
>>2587043Wasn't it merely a couple of years back that "NATO IS MORE UNITED THAN EVER!!!" was the standard response to Russian claim that Russians are dismantling the Westoid world order?
>>2587048The expansion of NATO was merely an impulsive act. Now it's imploding.
>>2587062I love this kind of propaganda. My favorite was during 1930s about Stalin's USSR that was trying to prove to Americans that if they went to USSR for work they'd be shot against the wall
not giving your channel views
>>2587070Genuinely speaking, why do you completely and totally support the modern Russian state uncritically? Especially after they just announced you could go to prison for distributing State and Revolution?
>>2587089Every thread of this general just in the past few weeks.
>>2587062Why is Russia forcing retarded american rightoids to work on farms a bad thing? There are other things that can be used to show that Russia is a shithole, this makes it sound based instead.
nafo woke up extra-stupid this Sunday.
>>2587103I'm not "rooting" for anyone. I am supporting Russia critically. Why are you incapable of understanding materialist criticism?
>>2587101>tfw Westoid glowies are defending communist revolutionariesYeah, this is a proof that they are not, in fact, either communists or revolutionaries. I bet these guys also oppose China and want to free Hong Kong or some shit
>>2587109Where are you getting that from? This is wishful thinking.
>>2587105Not many nafo left at this point. Only the most fanatic, stupid and best paid are left.
>>2587114Remember: they are more united than ever in history
>>2587062i support this for both cuckservatives and westoid "third-worldists". holiday season is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>2587131
They sound based.
>>2587138They sound out of touch with reality. Probably Rudoy's followers. They would have gotten much more mileage with following a million or so Russian specialists to Georgia and Kazakhstan and organizing there with the aim of couping local government towards socialism.
>>2587142With a few guns and a couple of grenades? Unlikely. ESPECIALLY in the case of Kazakhstan. You really think Putin would allow what is essentially a Russian satellite state to go revolutionary,
dangerously revolutionary like that?
>>2587144
And you're defending their arrest?
>>2587143Yes, he would. Besides, Kazakhstan is not a Russian satellite state, it's just a dumb propaganda ala what Ukrainians were having ala "get rid of everything Russian and you'll live in European quality of life!" ala
>>2587060 It's not, and it wasn't Ukraine's or Kazakhstan's situation.
>>2587148
>communist color revolution
>>2587147no, I am attacking the accusation that was for distributing a fucking book. a nonsense argument presented by nikos mottas. not even clever because one can simply check on Russian internet and see he's lying to the teeth, but one that was presented to make them look less guilty, poor harmless little weakling people.
>>2587154
Well I'm glad the official state proscribed oppositional party continues to exist. Long live the Marxist Liberal alliance.
>>2587144
>they are not this 'harmless bunch that distributes a book' (that is available in the biggest library in all Editions) that is pretended to be portrayed.
Yeah thats why they sound based lol, in fact the IDC is doing them dirty.
>>2587131
>be DPR veteran
>want to join a communist org
>join a local book club
>"hello fellow leftists, today we will make a detailed plan of overthrowing the Russian state, look we even have two grenades to do it with!"
>yfw
either some kind of sting operation or very, very stupid people. don't larp especially when you know the glowies have an itchy trigger finger
At least the NazBols were more expansive with their activism.
>>2587154
>The actual communists in Russia are in a coalition with United Russia
So the actual communists in Russia are the russian equivalent to the CPUSA but even more integrated into the establishment? Sounds grim.
>>2587163
actual retard alert
>>2587158if they were generally based, generally to the readers of IDC, IDC wouldn't have lied on the accusation charges.
>>2587156>United Russia>Liberalismdon't use words you don't understand radlib.
>>2587163
Do you know what liberalism is?
>>2587154
CPRF is revisionist. HOWEVER, actual communists around the globe (China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, DPRK) all support Russia, so this fact is irrelevant
>>2587167They are liberal. They beat it into your head over and over if you ever have the misfortune of listening.
>>2587171
>Neither Washington nor Moscow!
Yep. Beijing gang. Critically support Russia. But Putin deserves to be gulaged the moment the revolutionary conditions in Russia are met.
>>2587174Putin doesn't matter
>>2587176Of course he does. He is Yeltsins protege, he has kept the oligarchs under a degree of control in exchange for an incredibly sophisticated network of control over any and all political opposition, including fake opposition. Whilst its correct this war is a response to NATO imperialism and a desire from the west to essentially loot the country dry, genuine communist momentum in Russia can only occur when a vacuum of power is presented and Putin is replaced hopefully by a retarded liberal with significantly less knowledge of statecraft.
>>25871721)Russia has its own lib party. 100% pro-west, where actual liberalism occurs.
2)Liberal parties are neoliberal in nature, since Reagan and Thatcher decreed neoliberalism.
If we take into account what Marx said:
>Right can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby.if they don't pursue the rampant neoliberal agenda of privatizing even the anuses of the people for the glory of some few corporations, then they are not libs.
>>2587186
I never said that. I said it needs to be done at a later point when this war finally comes to an end. The west cannot win a fullscale war against Russia that much is true. But this does sound very familiar to some socialist statements made when the Bolsheviks fought against the Provisional Government.
>>2587171The Russian Federation isnt the USSR bro, and the CPRF is cucked, you can critically support without sweeping.
>>2587179You dont have to be a neolib to be a lib.
>>2587178Putin doesn't matter because this conflict is the result of historical forces that have been in motion since 1991 and was likely inavoidable no matter who is in charge. Even die-hard neolibs like Sobchak predicted it in the 90s. That's what people who post "Putin bad" fundamentally misunderstand about the zigger position
>genuine communist momentum in Russia can only occur when a vacuum of power is presented and Putin is replaced hopefully by a retarded liberal with significantly less knowledge of statecraft.I kinda agree, hopefully EU/NATO are also disarrayed enough that they can't glow it up
>>2587179Russia isn't neoliberal, but it's still liberal. People who cry "neoliberalism" at everything like it's just a nastier way to say capitalism are annoying, but you shouldn't go to the other extreme.
>>2587197Neoliberalism only makes sense in a western/western alligned context. Post-industrial nations are neoliberal because the logic of the market outweighs the profitability of local industry. Russia is the source of a lot of the worlds energy so it has no need to adapt to the radical changes of neoliberal/austrian economics.
>>2587171You don't have to deny the bourgeois and liberal character of a state to support it because the broader international situation is a thing. Neither is revolutionary defeatism the only valid communist strategy during war. The improvement has been immense since 2014. We are basically in the passenger seat to socialism now that we are officially - think tanks say so openly - China's junior partner. What this means in reality is that the state is increasingly restricted in what they can do against socialism. That is no doubt one of the reasons why Russian capital still begs America for peace. And yet we still fail to do good socialist propaganda because we are morons.
>>2587179>1)Russia has its own lib party. 100% pro-west, where actual liberalism occurs.lol? Where? In Belgrade? No it doesn't, and if it did, its members would get shot regularly by angry veterans and everyone would support them. The pro-west fascism is synonymous with Ukraine. If I was a psychology "neomarxist" I would have said that Ukraine is like the chicken we transfer the sin of liberalism onto and then kill painfully.
>>2587207I guess he meant Yabloko?
It's all part of a very wide picture.
>>2587217wouldn't a single bullet to the wiring compartment rend this thing utterly useless?
>>2587220yes but it is an anti-drone aa battery, that's not a concern
>>2587207>Neither is revolutionary defeatism the only valid communist strategy during war.What are the others?
>>2587220I'm pretty sure it would be covered up on the actual fieldable model anon
>>2587186
A bourgeois anti-imperialist state being replaced by a communist one would be an objective improvement. The national bourgeoisie are constantly vacillating and seek reintegration with imperialism at virtually any opportunity. Russia would be a NATO member by now if Putin had gotten his way early in his presidency.
>>2587217>are you going to fight the military with just a rifle huh?!>no I am going to fight them with my underground aliexpress drone factory uyghacommunist parties everywhere should start having drone clubs right now tbh
>>2587193>You dont have to be a neolib to be a lib.yes, yo do. you won't find a lib party on earth that isn't pro-business neolib ghoul. that's the current ethos of liberalism today. that they weren't the laisse-fairez types in the beginning of their existence back 200 years ago, that's another question.
>>2587264LDPR isn't pro-western neolib bro. They're weird nationalist clowns, literally the party of Zhirinovsky. They literally rebranded to go by their acronym exclusively because jokes about how they are neither liberal nor democratic were too common.
Russia has New People who are mild non-oppositional neolibs and Yabloko who are the real pro-western neolibs
>>2587263Technically speaking socdems are liberals too.
>>2587276They are now. SocDems are liberal not because they are by definition, but because of the consequences of their idea of reforming the system.
>>2587283Tbh if there were some old school socdems committed to achieving socialism through reformist means I'd hesitate to call them liberals, but certainly all self identified social democrats in the West today are liberals.
>>2587283Majority of socdem party memberships are liberals, so are their platforms. Red is just their aesthetics.
>>2587313>>2587309That's because social democracy cannot be social democratic anymore. If your program is to reform the state, and the state is neoliberal (dominanted by the financial classes) then you're fucked, aren't you? Look at the British Labour Party and how they beg to the """business community""" to help with their watered-down budgets. Even if they were led by "classical social democrats" with the best intentions they'd revert to neoliberal logic.
>The International Court of Justice (#ICJ) upheld Russia’s position & accepted its counter-claims against Ukraine for hearing under 1948 Convention on the Prevention & Punishment of Crime of Genocide
👉 All objections raised by Kiev have been dismissed.
>The ICJ’s ruling, rendered on December 5, marks a logical development following Ukraine’s futile attempts to hold Russia accountable for initiating the special military operation. This litigation was instigated by the Kiev regime and its Western sponsors as far back as February 2022. At that time, Kiev, backed by 33 Western-aligned states, lodged a claim with the ICJ alleging that Russia had violated the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.
>On February 1, 2024, the ICJ issued a judgement that wholly rejected all of Ukraine’s accusations against Russia. The sole remaining matter before the Court was whether Ukraine itself had committed genocide.
>By affirming today the legal admissibility of Russia’s claims, the ICJ has signalled its readiness to assess the full scope of crimes committed by the Kiev regime and its accomplices.
>Against this backdrop, Western support for Kiev has already begun to dwindle sharply: a third of the states previously aligned with Ukraine in this process have hastily withdrawn, evidently recognising the futility — and even the risks — of continued participation. Other Western nations should likewise cease shielding this criminal neo-Nazi regime and exerting pressure on the ICJ.
>>2587337So is Pootin not a war criminal anymore?
>>2587345No, the ICJ has simply dismissed Ukraine's genocide claims.
>>2587345Funny thing. Putin isn't a war criminal on genocide charges. He's a war criminal
exclusively on the bullshit charges of "abducting children".
Yes, not for Bucha, not for any other alleged civilian killings and so on, they wracked their brains for 4 years and the best thing they could get to stick is this children nonsense because everything else is even more spurious.
>>2587355Jeffrey Putstein be wildin'
>using 'commies' unironically
such many right-winger cases.
>>2587349>le periphery national bourgeois state…. IS BOURGEOIS!?!? thats insane, next thing you'll tell me is that macro economic conditions will have to force periphery capital into an antagonist relationship with the imperial core, rather than a willing choice from ideological motivation.
One wonders how history might progress when this conflict occurs in the far flung future from this article in 1993. guess we'll never know.
>>2587349>speaker of the Leningrad city council single-handedly destroyed the USSR and liberated Russia from commiesI'll be honest, that's a pretty impressive feat if true
###BREAKING NEWS###
Military insiders let slip that operation is expected to last precisely two more weeks
Russia is capitalist. Putin is a traitor to the USSR yes yes we know. But Russia is fighting against imperialist slugs who want to suck everything of value from Ukraine. Think of the bigger picture. Dogma overcomplicates things.
>>2587062If my partner wasn't trans I'd consider moving to Russia.
>>2587370>Think of the bigger picture. Essential. If you're not critical in your "support" of Russia, you're uncritical in your "support" of Nato.
One doesn't need to love or even like Russia or Putin for being capitalist or anti lgbt or whatever really. Even if you hate Russia and take at face value that it's reactionary and everything its done since the fall of the Soviet Union has been one atrocity after the other, it all totally pales in comparison to everything the US and its nato appendages have done in that time.
After Iraq, Somalia, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and unrestrained drone warfare across the planet, you're either the world's biggest rube or a thinly veiled enthusiast of the empire to think that, no, now, this time, the US would ever be on the right side of a conflict, and that the world would be better off if got its way, 150 million citizens of the Russian Federation be damned. This is just the latest stop on Nato's world tour of horror and misery, and you're either in favor of Russia, flawed as it is, putting a stop to it, or else you want it to keep on rolling over however many millions upon millions of people. That's it.
>>2587101>NIKOS MOTTASThat sound like a Russian name to you?
>KKEThese fucking uighurs again.
>>2587489Keep posting it I'm sure someone's going to care eventually.
>>2587512in the same speech he flexed about building three NPPs in Iran but who cares about that really
>>2587524
fighting a significantly worse power
trotsky was right on this topic
>>2587542
ah yes the famous north korean imperialists
>>2587531
>kills and rapes workers
>cheered
The same grievances every time; the current tragic state of the world and improper tone of discussion by people who are clearly at the driving seat of history; imageboard anons.
The point is that these conditions shall change, and the catalysts for this historical progression will be the states you despise that navigated the blackest tide of reaction with hardened hearts alongside some of history's butchers that were always going to be on the wrong side of the garden fence due to necessary divisions in profit distribution.
If only real communism could be so easily achieved by pointing to the current state of things and going ":(" without any conclusive structural analysis.
>>2587558>>25875608 billion more prole genocide before socialism is achieved
Vote for the war credits and the revolution will triumph
Isn't funny how western leftists are okay with genociding proles as long they're on the other side of the planet and preferably non-white?
Much to ponder
>>2587577I honestly would prefer more Western war tourists and redditors die.
>>2587607
I don't think you understand what a "war tourist" is. Please refrain from using terms you don't understand, NPC.
>>2587622labubu ukrainians are the most leftist ethnicity in existence, displacing wholesome chungus kurds from the first place, because labubu ukrainians are fighting russia which is the chuddiest nation for they have banned roblox
karl "frankfurt" marx once wrote: of all the arts the most important for us is roblox
>>2587109no, they are not that stupid. IDC is more clever, so they prefer to use the rhetoric that China's communism from the CPC is a revisionist project, on the path of capitalist restoration, and love to quote whatever dissent in 'communist' groups within each state.
like 'back in line, bucko', but from the comfy chair in Greece while interviewing Israeli politicians.
>>2587641
They can abandon reaction and surrender at any time.
16-hour blackouts in Kiev and elsewhere lmao. The energy attacks are relentless now.
Should've been done much sooner instead of riding the cuck train for four years (and, no, we didn't have to wait for degraded air defense, because those Patriots don't intercept shit).
The big clue on how effective the attacks are and how much anxiety they cause the Westoids is that the diplocuck path gets rolled out every time Putin removes his cuckdom and goes raw on the grid. He's not falling for it this time, tho, so now Macron is crying to Xi about it lmao.
>noo, fighting back against Western imperialism isn't progressing ANYTHING!
>workers of the world must wit on workers of the West!
>non-Western workers are reactionary scum, anyway!
>>2587654
Third worldism allows for western-brained gusanos from the third-world, don't worry.
>>2587651 (me)
Link if you want to see NAFO draft dodgers whining about their 16-hour blackouts:
https://nitter.net/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1997747630315884579 >>2587661Do drones and Starlink require a lot of electricity from the grid? Or do they all come with batteries?
>>2587666
It's not up to you, purgebait.
>>2587649
The economic stress of this conflict in energy prices eating into profit margins and general core surplus has eroded the political stability and competency of the imperial core.
The vehicle of this change was a periphery superstructure, russia, partially mobilising its state capacity in a regional war with the support of other state superstructures (chin, iran, dprk) that have catalysed success. Sadly the support of me; western leftist no.278984 has not affected the conflict ill try and moralise harder next time but I'm starting to think i'm not the main character of revolutionary change.
>>2587664>BalticEvery fucking time.
>>2587665Dunno. I imagine they'd have some generator solution by now for the most critical shit on the front lines. Their rear production and logistics would be taking the heaviest hit – all the little neglected cogs they didn't supply with generators – and tbh, although MoD calls the grid dual-use infrastructure, which it is, it's no secret that this is a political pressure tactic too. Hard for Zelensky's remaining regime to lie to Ukros about how everything is a great success when they're staring at blank TV screens.
>>2587651also they got hit hard in oil refineries in multiple places, too. The only thing left it's the national bank and the main telecom building.
I'd feel bad about them, but they did this, so no.
>>2587664what an absolute out of touch post.
biden even threatened China, why would anyone care about macarrooni.
Macron via China is trying to get another energy ceasefire like the one back in March/April that Putin adhered to for thirty days even after Ukraine violated it immediately and throughout the thirty days.
I really hope Xi told him to go pound sand.
>>2587682that's nothing, they celebrated energy & water blackouts of Crimea and even issued medals for fascist paramilitaries that stopped trucks carrying any kind of supplies to Crimea (which is allegedly an occupied area full of ukrainians yearning to be free of ruzzian occupation???)
Ukkkraine is literally Israel. Any leftist defending Ukkkraine is just blissfully ignorant of anything going on in there, bless their souls but also ignore anything they have to say.
>>2587695
>Whoa… the west had no hands in neither starting nor prolonging this conflict. Fascinating…
Why bother quoting if you're just going to imagine something else to reply to
>>2587664This would advance communism by leagues. Western workers can cling to ignorance only while their consciousness is clouded with cheap treats. If those were to go then the reality of the real decline in the workers share of wealth would come upon them like an avalanche.
>>2587531
Wow really? Russia is a bourgeois state? This is some cutting edge analysis. Next you’ll dazzle us by stating Putin is an anti-communist.
Unless you are a Russian communist the bourgeois Russian Federation is not your concern. What is your concern is how you will bring down the bourgeois state you live in that has a 1000x much workers blood on its hands then the Russian Federation.
>>2587695
>kautsky
no one in any of these threads has ever cared about kautsky. neither he nor you seem to appreciate that the success of proactively pushing revolutionary conditions is itself subject to external material factors. Thus creating the optimal conditions *for* revolutionary conditions is a rational preparatory step. such as a multipolar order of competing capitalist states that are undercutting their collective surplus spending it competing with each other rather than a unipolar finance capital Internationale with a greater capacity to crush dissent.
>periodically destroying production
presuming the hyper competence of the capitalist system to do so. While there is a recognised benefit were all inter capitalist conflict so competently orchestrated to destroy capital and nothing else there would be no bolsheviks, eastern block, PRC etc. and these wars would resolve with continuous capitalist stability in their respective regions
>Refrain
mf u doubt my basic competency with base level concepts then ridicule the inherent basic description of them as simple tf is this mortons fork.
>>2587370They want to suck everything of value from Russia, Ukraine was just a means to an end. The primary value of Ukraine is agricultural but that can’t be allowed to develop to high levels of productivity that would compete with core EU agriculture.
The prize was getting a real gusano in charge of the Russian Federation or Balkanising it. The oil, gas, and minerals are worth far more than what Ukraine offers. And once Russia was out of the picture China could be more easily brought to heel.
>>2587233I was pondering this the other night. We need to invent a drone “sport” which is just thinly veiled FPV drone training.
>>2587729
>”hi im twelve years old and didn’t live though the ‘90s and ‘00s”
>>2587729
>industrial
the famously industrialised western world of 2025 on full display in this war.
The unipolar primacy of finance capital subordinating outsourced industrial capacity fragmenting, is the historically progressive consequence of russian success in this conflict to its proportional degree. As observed in current Atlanticist decline.
>>2587733Can't you just fly sports FPVs these days?
>>2587664>unsustainableRemember when Europeans were selling goods to Africa and had huge trade surpluses they've used to enslave Africa?
>>2587751
unipolarity is real, was predicted by stalin and has no resemblance to kautskyism
>>2587031
Context?
>>2587751
>US invaded Iraq with the blessings of China and Russia
wow, glowies have a whole alternate reality history now
>it benefited them materially
lol, no it did not, how was it supposed to?
the glowie narratives are becoming increasingly lazy and disconnected from the real world
>>2587764Zelensky is a dog that doesn't understand what is demanded of him. So, Uncle Sam-Hasan shocks him
>>2587751It's really funny when you point out who supported Iraq, Libya, Chechnya, Afghanistan, etc. Followed by all the board Manichean zealots throwing a fit because you rejected their chungus anti-imperialista multipolarista proletarian vs bourgeois nations worldview.
>>2587763Don't look up who else "invested" in the Iraqi energy sector after 2003. It's also not like the Russian bourg may have benefited from Libyan and Iraqi oil production being knocked out and depressed for a while.
>glowlgowlgowl!Whatever makes you feel better and more important
>>2587771Grillpilled Schizo, is this you?!
>>2587778
>China supported Gaza genocide
[citation needed]
>>2587781response from the US:
>"Third, this resolution absurdly calls for the pursuit of reparations based on flawed historical guilt narratives.
>These foolish suggestions pose a significant financial burden that taxpayers of member states would ultimately pay.
>The United States categorically rejects this divisive concept and steadfastly opposes this resolution." >>2587780If you owned a business, and you were to behead jews or gazans in front of me, and I could decide to no longer buy from or sell to you (at the very least) without risk of retaliation, but I won't.
That would make me complicit.
>>2587785Unilateral sanctions are outlawed by international law, though, and are analogous to declaring war. That's what I was led to believe by liberals and supporters of international world order. So, why is China, who was waiting for international recognition of genocide, is bad?
>>2587789
Was Stalin complicit in Nazis' invasions and enslavement of Europe? He traded with Nazis, afrer all
>>2587776Grillpilled was Lithuanian and lacked a hate boner for ML afaik. So no.
>>2587781release the gunther
>>2587679Fucking on the civilian population only makes them support the war and the government harder, but if it's electricity… ehhhhh.
>>2587799
>Stalin helped Nazis re-arm
Before or after Nazi unilateral sanctions and severing of trade with USSR? Help me understand your position on calling USSR responsible for Nazi rearmament
>>2587790>Libs say genocide is okay soReally? Is this the level you people are at atm?
>>2587792The Soviet Union was involved in all out war by the time the killing part of the Holocaust really got going. Should they have decided against any trade before or after 1939? Difficult to tell because of hindsight and considering the context. Many attempts were made at a (Soviet led) anti-Nazi coalition in eastern Europe whilst this trade was going on. Including Soviet aid to Poland right before the invasion. The same Poland that tried to cozy up to Berlin under Piłsudski's Sanation regime and made numerous territorial claims on neighbors.
Something should have been done before 1939, but that goes for all the involved parties. But an attempt was made over in Moscow.
Tell me, has Beijing offered military assistance yet to Hezbollah, the Syrian government, Hamas or Gaza and Lebanon generally?
>>2587805
Poland allied with Hitler, and their support for Nazis was tangible and practical, such as forcing France to abandon it's ally Czechoslovakia. Similarly, Westoids bear responsibility for Nazis, as they've swallowed remilitarization of Rhineland without as much as a squeak against it, didn't do anything about Austria. Meanwhile, Russia "invaidng" Ukraine is suddenly a ground for calling a genocide against Russians, lol
>>2587810>has Beijing offered military assistanceTo Iran for sure. But then Iran is mired in cucking out to USA and Israel on their own, Iranian president was straight up trying to rapproachment with Israel
Do Egyptians bear responsibility for Israeli genocide in Gaza, btw?
>>2587810Being better than libs (and all other politics) at all times is tiring work, you know.
>a Westerner is criticizing Asiatic Horde socialists, listen and learn!
<*look inside*
>TRADE WAR! MORE TRADE WAR! ALL THE TRADE WAR!
>GO TO REAL WAR! START A PROXY WAR! WW3 RIGHT NOW!
Tell me about these Westerner "leftists". Why are they so bloodthirsty and barbaric? How do I learn this constant… need for ostracism?
Death to the Banderite Entity!
Arseniy "Lupin" Yatsenyuk
>>2587751
No. Kautsky was correct in identifying that a cartel of the wealthiest nations (the West) ruling over the rest of the world was a seeming path for them to avoid major war and stagnation. He was wrong in thinking it could be stable.
But it is absolutely what was attempted after the collapse of the USSR. It failed in only twenty years because the West didn’t understand China or Russia and was deluded by the power of GDP vs industrial capability.
If China was to be taken over tomorrow by Gusanos I’m sure the Western hegemony could last many decades more before being doomed by demographic decline and the growth of Africa.
>>2587813Iran is in no position to do anything but “cuck” atm unless Beijing sends them nukes and stealth cruise missiles. The water crisis in Tehran alone is extremely dangerous to the government. It was poor harvests that created the conditions for the Syrian civil war.
>>2587316Yeah, because to do something about it would be revolutionary. Most countries won't let you run candidates in elections, sit in the parliament much less in the government unless you denounce any intentions to change anything in your program.
This is an interimperialist conflict.
Geopolitics is bourgeois politics.
Death to the West.
Putin is a voluntarist deviationist.
The renegade Glownonymous
>>2587939Between the US and EU.
N
>>2587982US and Ukraine more like, Ukraine helped to imperialise Iraq on a promise of givas, a promise that was not kept.
>>2587988None of the participants can offer "suitable" peace terms for political reasons.
Tbh I think the US is just going to let europe eat shit, then take advantage of the crash in living conditions to scalp their best, brightest, and richest. Demanding more nato spending is just demanding more wealth transfer to the US, taking money now to make weapons they'll probably never deliver since without their colonies in EE and Africa, Europe is a lost cause.
The Afrikaner relief program is just the start. The US is going to become a cesspool of reactionary levels that shouldn't even be possible.
>>2588008This. I think something the American bourgeoisie are keen to rid themselves of is US libs pointing to how social services work in Europe and particularly the Scandinavian states, suggesting such policies and spending would be applicable for America.
Getting Sweden and Finland to drop being “the happiest countries in the world” in favour of militarisation, anti-immigration, privatisation is probably a bigger win for the US against its own proletariat and that of it new NATO *ahem* “protectorates” than against Russia.
>>2587988The truth is they are never going to reach terms that satisfy both parties because Russia is winning so it will demand full recognition of territories, full neutrality and demilitarization of Ukraine, etc. and Ukraine is fanatical about their "sovereignty" on all of this shit so they'll refuse to give up anything no matter how bad their situation is. America is only still running these talks because of Trump's "peacemaker" shtick and how he foolishly promised he would end the Ukraine war as soon as he became president.
>>2588008Your idea is probably true, scalping the best, brightest and richest of other nations is how the US got to the top and stayed on top. And since they primarily want to stay on top at all costs, they will cannibalize their allies if they can to stop China from surpassing them.
>>2588018It is no longer about expanding the empire but preserving the supremacy of the core.
>>2588091
Nah
>>2587076Is it true? I recently have bought that book, I don't like Russian government, but i don't think you can go to jail for that, many peole read it.
>>2588180read upthread, the arrest was for planning a terrorist act which is what any government would do, and should do if it wants to preserve its power
>>2587131 >>2588180No it’s complete bollocks because I went to a bookshop on Arbatskaya in central Moscow about 6 years ago and the first thing you have to notice is the rather large collection of Stalin themed calendars, although they were competing with the number of Putin calendars, I’ll grant you.
>>2588185>>2588186Oh, I see, thank you. I'm scared that the right wing might rise in Russia and ban communism.
>>2588189>the right wing might rise in Russiai'm sorry, you're a few years
decades too late to be worrying about that…
>ban communismi don't think any kind of communist/socialist symbolism will get outright banned, mostly because right now it makes nato/nato-aligned westoids seethe so much, case in point being any imagery/invocation of stalin
can't speak on any kind of organization however, all i can say is that the CPRF does not deserve as much hate as it gets
>>2588193>>2588194I don't like CPRF, to me they betrayed the idea of communism and follow so callled red Putinism. And i don't like how Russia uses communist symbolism, because it will be later on hard to explain to Ukranians why communism is good.
>>2588196Ukrainians did not need a reason to hate communist symbols especially western Ukrainians
>>2588331Won't this project be finished years after this war is concluded?
>>2587781and, as always, the suspects combating the resolution are the same people who are against the call food a right.
>>2588364Sounds like the Trotskyites who were proclaiming the need to overthrow "Stalinism" right in the midst of WWII.
The peace process looks like its actually progressing. When will it actually happen though.
>>2588951
RIP my love
>>2588934Do Ukrainian ultras ever reflect on the Ukraine having been a power house of aviation as part of the USSR?
>>2588196CPRF are “controlled opposition” but in the sense that their leadership has been told that if they are a real threat to Putin they will be lucky to just be jailed. Honestly the Tsarist regime was soft in comparison. A few dozen Bolshevik leaders killed instead of exiled and the October Revolution is unlikely.
So the choices are underground LARPing, prison/defenestration, or waiting it out. Ultralefts/redlibs in more liberal countries always want to LARP but they are only allowed to because they aren’t a threat. Just look at the Western crackdown on ineffectual liberal climate protesters.
>>2587988There are two weeks where nothing happens, and two weeks where two weeks happen.
>>2588951
I'm surprised this got closure
>>2587066Finklestein abandoned ML(iberal)ism when he went China and was shocked that it was another wage slavery liberal shithole
>>2588951
well its good to see these fuckers got sentenced at least, but it wont bring back the based texas cowboy. He deserved to see this shit end in victory
>>2589121How I know you’ve done no serious reading of Marx.
>>2587868Iran had all abilitiesto carry out nuclear program, Pakistan even tried to nuclearize them and give Iran Pakistani nukes, but Iran had refused
>>2589159Oh I know. They tried to use nuclear ambivalence (and massive conventional rocket forces) to deter the Zios but the bluff has been called. The clerics don’t have the stomach for nuclear warfare.
>>2588951
Gone too soon, RIP R
>>2589176Fascists are psychopaths, and would do a no warning nuclear first strike, if Iran got nukes.
>>2589311Lol no he wouldn't. Even Trotsky wouldn't. When these left anticommunists who love Trotsky so much because he's a convenient anti-soviet metaphor read Trotsky they're in for a shock. We do not "defend" Russia because we are sycophantic to their cause, or because we believe in the lie that Putin is a secret socialist, we "defend" Russia because Russian victory represents a defeat for a worse imperialist ambition.
>>2589311There is but one alternative for Europe. Either Asiatic barbarism, under Muscovite direction, will burst around its head like an avalanche, or else it must re-establish Ukraine, thus putting twenty million heroes between itself and Asia and gaining a breathing spell for the accomplishment of its social regeneration.
>>2589334you are somehow dumber than that guy
>>2589340Yes, they're antithetical. One seeks to create more equitable distribution of slaves between slavers while the other abolishes slavery.
>>2589334>people's imperialismIf Stalin people-imperialized Europe and brought communism not to half, but to whole of it, it would have been INCREDIBLY BASED and COMMUNISM-PILLED
>>2589343Lenin instructed people to turn imperialist war into opportunities to further class struggle. In this case, since this war is all but won by the Russian, the western capitalists, who are slowly losing their ability to fight and maintain wars and are struggling from a material energy crisis will be in a much weaker position. Ukrainians will desire radical change against a clearly corrupt government and the Russians themselves will wonder whether the material concessions were worth the sacrifice. It's not a question of "supporting" the war but understanding that this war was inevitable and a guarantee that the old capitalist hegemons are dying.
>>2589346And also it would have been less deaths overall than letting European imperialists do their imperialist shit all over the globe
>>2589351
>dialectical materialism is social democratic now
>>2589355
>he thinks Lenin would have instigated revolution without WW1 and the february revolution
>>2589358
According to Borrell, Trump wants to balkanize Europe. According to Euroids, splitting empires apart - and European Union is an empire - is progressive. Therefore, pro-West campists should side with Trump
But in any case, I love how NATO is falling apart at seams - only shame is that for this to happen 1.5 millions Ukrainians, i.e. third worlders, had to die
When this war ends in a total Russian victory and Ukraine remains a repressive state with no freedom for its communists, will you all apologise?
>>2589368Yeah they say that but they won't. They can't survive without Chinese commodities.
war ends in 2 weeks
>>2589368Westoids cannot fall into China's arms because they are imperialists, and China is communist. Falling into China's arms would imply abandoning capitalist monopolies, meaning it's an impossible proposition for a capitalist controlled country. Third world is less capitalist in a sense that they don't have overly developed capitalist monopolies, they have foreign capital controlling their countries, therefore local porkies choose between subservience to the West and subservience to China - and Chinese are offering much better deals
It's not that China can "take a country over" imperialism style. It's that because of the nature of current capitalist trends in the west, China will inevitably outcompete against the west and grow as the dominant power. Europe and America has nothing to compete against China with, and China manufactures everything they want.
>>2589368Wasn't it pretty much confirmed that no one takes Kallas seriously or anything she says, that's she's seen as ineffective and a joke by the other bureaucrats?
>>2589379
Read what I wrote, not what you imagined me writing. Westoids within westoid countries can move capitais around, they remain in charge of their assets, they can lobby at will and grab whatever concessions from the working class they want. In China, CPC dictates the deal. Westoid capital cannot escape to (or from) China, because CPC would control their assets through myriad ways, starting with higher taxes, which get paid to finance capital controls and prevent capital flight by breaking capitalist assets apart, and ending with mandatory communist party cells within every company
>>2589379
>raping africa
In what way mister white american man
>>2589380Woao… so all third world countries have to do to end imperialism is put taxes…. how come no one thought of this? I always thought capital was inherently international and once it exists it dominates society with no state able to change its nature… but like just tax harder bro
>>2589382Why did you drop the mandatory communist party cells from the plan to stop capitalism, though?
>>2589383How is the cells doing in neoliberal AES Vietnam, Cuba etc?
>>2589384>neoliberal AES Vietnam, Cuba etcThis is your response to me catching you blatantly misrepresenting my position? Seriously? Are you incapable of a discussion and only do accusations so that you might appear "winning"?
Now, answer to this:
<Westoids within westoid countries can move capitais around, they remain in charge of their assets, they can lobby at will and grab whatever concessions from the working class they want. In China, CPC dictates the deal. Westoid capital cannot escape to (or from) China, because CPC would control their assets through myriad ways, starting with higher taxes, which get paid to finance capital controls and prevent capital flight by breaking capitalist assets apart, and ending with mandatory communist party cells within every company >>2589394NTA but what are all the factories westoids moved to china, then?
>>2589384Explain to me what neoliberalism, plainly, and then explain why any of those countries are countries, plainly. I'll wait.
>>2589407What factories? Have you ever seen factories getting relocated anywhere?
This is an interimperialist war.
>>2589419Mmhm. But saying that won't change anything, will it?
Russia will be rule Eurasia; here's why thats a good thing:
There are only two societies that matter. The Atlanticists, mainly represented by the evil anglo and the greedy arrogant american, are an evil empire that only brings darkness to humanity. And the Eurasists, the bringer of light and good. For there to be peace, the Atlanticists must be destroyed, no matter what, but first the confused, individualized, atomized, queer-woke people of Western Europe, who have been misled by the evil Atlanticists, have to be shown their true manifest destiny, being a part of the Eurasian empire. With them marching with arm in arm with the great russian armies against anglo degeneracy, the world will be whole again.
Now, to state things clearly, the Chihuahuas leaders of the EU have NO mandate over the european people and NO right to dictate russia what it should or what it should be. Russia's real borders end at the Atlantic coast of Portugal. A manifest destiny that will be reached, and that will show the world the true power and unity of the russian world, emanating from Moscow over the eurasian continent, with a lesser but still powerful ally Beijing. The liberation of the so-called Ukraine can only be the very first beginning of something great, and every russian agrees with this. In the end, the Eurasian empire will be victorious in defeating the degenerate Atlanticists empire, even if it takes centuries.
>>2589524Silence fascist.
>>2589534seethe and cope, Atlantoid.
The Big Russian Cock
will rule.
>>2589553dark woke is here
>>2589524>There are only two societies that matterYes, the socialist one that grows in strength every day and the capitalist one that fades. Russia is in the second camp right now.
>>2589697>tragic accident>away from the front lines lol no
>>2587242if it works, it works
>>2589571>>2587984So, how's the war going? I haven't been following the thread, but I'd like to know: how many have died on both sides? What are the current objectives? What would be the "winning" scenario for both sides? Is either side currently close to that scenario?
Regarding military losses, I know there are only estimates, but the way the internet is portraying this conflict, there's almost no meat left to throw into the grinder.
>>2589697>testing a new defensive capabilityIt blew up, didn’t it?
>>2587230>Russia would be a NATO member by now if Putin had gotten his way early in his presidency.Isnt Trump basically offering him this with his "christian alliance against China"?
>>2589745It's an empty offer. Sinophobia is too deeply entrenched in western bourgeois ideology to ever seriously countenance it, and even if it were true in reality it would just be ginning Russia up to be the next Ukrainians, only against China. "Let's you and him fight" all over again.
But really, there's nothing to offer Russia except all of their stuff back plus whatever they want in Ukraine, which they're likely to get anyway if they keep fighting. They might as well be offering Russia a gun to shoot itself with.
>>2589750>They might as well be offering Russia a gun to shoot itself with.Cucktin will be like "wow a free gun thanks!"
>>2589745It was not a serious offer. They have made no concessions or gestures of good will and accepting it means antagonizing a country with more population than all of Europe and Americas combined that is right on the border. NATO can never admit Russia, among other reasons, because it would be suicide for the American military-industrial complex.
I will tell you more than that: the way this conflict arose has far more to do with internal class goals of Russian capital than foreign policy. The relations between NATO and Russia were never good even in the most extremely destructive 90s years, there was the Yugoslavia intervention, trade with Iran and a lot more. But Russian capital needed help from western capital to establish itself, so who cares about that nerd security shmacurity. Now it is established and safe at home, so security came to the forefront as a secondary consideration. This is also why Russian capital still wants good relations with America - in case it needs help with reestablishing reaction again.
>>2589311KEEP MY TEACHER'S NAME OUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
>>2589814It’s unlikely United24 would admit the supposed-culprits received justice despite the victim being from a hostile nation, when Ukraine seems to manage to murder at least half of the foreigners who show up from friendly nations without recourse or justice.
>>2589814Justice for /ourguy/.
The internet continues to not know what whataboutism is
>>2589370They say that because they are just begging the big daddy US to not leave them alone and ruin their common dream of eternal liberal victory and rule.
>>2589745Maybe, but at this point I doubt the Russians are willing to Trust the US. However that's entirely the result of the US antagonizing them and not respecting Russian security interests. If the West had been just slightly more accommodating then Russia would have happily remained a US ally.
>>2589378>Wasn't it pretty much confirmed that no one takes Kallas seriously or anything she says, that's she's seen as ineffective and a joke by the other bureaucrats?Then why isn't she gone already. Is the war lobby so powerful that despite being less than useless as a diplomat or even as a spokeswoman they still can't remove anybody if they are in bed with the warmongering interests?
Ukraine will be sending its """"revised peace plan"""" to America soon. Get ready for the war to continue for another month.
>>2589902They need someone banging the drum vocally while pussing out in all other ways, it’s not for nothing that she is personally from a country that doesn’t even have an airforce.
>>25877492000 meters to andriivka is such weak propaganda I tried to find the original and it's paywalled. libs are really phoning it in, watching a bunch of uke westaboos get merked to take a worthless town a year and a half ago that is now 10km behind the russian frontline should be a waste of time but they also made it a waste of money.
>>2589929
link to the reddit thread you copied that from?
>>2589935Ah that’s harsh, clearly that’s anon’s conformist magnum opus!
>>2589929
should we also thank ukraine for giving weapons training to westoid neo-nazi terrorists? face it: the banderites and zelensky took a bag of cash from the yanks, the wealthy libs fled to poland rather than die in a proxy war, and all the working civilians were just collateral. resistance saved kiev and kiev repaid the resistance with conscription into cannon fodder.
>>2589940
Cope
>>2589929
Thats the dumbest post so far. Good job faggot.
>>2589952
>they were being invaded by a genocidal state.
I think you're confused, it wasn't Donbass which was arming neo-nazis, it was the Kiev government.
>>2589952
they gave arms training to white nationalist terrorists without enlisting them, one of them went on to shoot up new-zealand.
>>2589962
You dont even know who you are talking to, are you retarded?
>>2589964
>a state facing annexation
Again, you seem really confused. It was the donbass which faced genocide and threats of annexation by the Kiev government. Not the other way around.
>>2589943>should we also thank ukraine for giving weapons training to westoid neo-nazi terrorists?That is a big concern also. If US is going to scalp Europe's wealthy and credentialed, it's hard to see them leaving these "assets" for the Russians and ravens too. Apparently the nazi cohort of the uaf is as strong as ever, and if they end up fleeing to the west en masse it could end up making this something of a pyrrhic victory even if they do achieve all their other goals.
>>2589964
>>2589965
>>2589970
Why are Nafoids so retarded?
>>2589964
>a state facing annexation should refuse volunteers based on a purity test
You're just writing fan fiction at this point.
>>2589946
>demographics burn
Talking about Ukropistan again?
>>2589978
>No argument
No wonder you guys are losing kek
>>2589984
>>2589981
Leg status?
>>2589987
>Le washing machines
Damn, the russians are pretty good considering they fight only with shovels lol.
>>2589988
>>2589987
Projection as always.
>>2589946
>>2589981
We got a live one. This guy gotta be real NAFO, cuz only they are *this* delusional. Fucker will proclaim victory up to and even after full Ukrop capitulation lol.
stop taking the bait you retards
>the literal Wahhabi monarchies against a secular (if flawed) state
>>2589997
No country has the right to exist. Spooks all.
>>2589993
No, I just wanted to point out the fact that you look like a retard regurgitating Ukrop propaganda at a time when they themselves dont believe at that anymore. Its pathetic.
>>2589995I saw that documentary too, I lol'd when I found out Monke actually put him under house arrest or something.
>>2589999
so true, its just a stalemate. That's why we still have Bakhm–Avdii–Pokrov–Novopavlivka.
Let national self-determination be a thing after the revolution. I've actually seen posts ITT that say the war is justified not just because of NATO expansionism and Ukrofascism but because it's rightful "Russia". Nationalist nonsense.
>>2590002
"Ziggers" aren't cheering on the Ukrainian state built on the corpses of Russians.
>>2589999
>>2589997
What ideology lmao, how old are you?
>>2589999
Nobody on our side ever said neither "3 days" nor "2 weeks". You people made that shit up for cope. Wake up already, you've been in this retard delirium for years now. Sooner or later it'll actually do long term damage to your brain.
>>2590012Yeah its such nonsense that Russians facing genocide in Ukraine would want to be a part of Russia.
>>2590009
He's referring to the Adam Curtis documentary.
Basically in the early days of the Putin administration, Vladislav was hired to deliberately make the Russian political scene look absolutely impossible to comprehend. He used Kremlin money to pay for anti-fascist and neo nazi groups simultaneously and entire oppositional parties. Then he announced he had done it openly so nobody knew what was real or fake. It's absolutely avant garde statecraft, but it worked tremendously.
>>2590020
There was never an occupation of Ukrainian lands. The territories Russia annexed all ceded from Ukraine and became independent states first, and Russia only annexed those independent states after they requested to join Russia.
>>2590009https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr7T07WfIhMfrom 2:22:50 onwards
its a pretty good documentary, even if flawed
Tbh I kind of prefer the nafoids in bloodlust-against-Russians mode over bleeding-heart-for-Ukraine mode. The former is just more, truthful.
>>2590020
Wrong again! Before the SMO was officially started, the Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts were formally included into official Russian territory on state TV. You once again repeated some retard lie from your own side so many times that you actually believe it.
>>2590024Adam Curtis is flawed. But he's probably the best documentarian when it comes to showing how fucked up capitalism really is.
>>2590018
>fascist mysticism
The Ukrops do believe in some weird shit
>>2590012>Let national self-determination be a thing after the revolution. Yeah Ukraine will have a revolution any second now, and the Russians should've just sat down and accepted their massacre by Azov until the surely-coming day when the Ukros give up Bandarism and embrace Bolshevism.
>>2590032
>Truthful is recognizing this conflict for what it is: a fascist revanchist power attempting to erase a nation. My 'bloodlust' is directed at the architects of that project and the useful idiots who carry their water.
Good of you to oppose nato.
>>2590032
Buddy the Russian government has been asking to resolve the European security situation for over 20 years and arrogant westoids ignored every attempt. Russia was also also all in on Minsk 2 which wouldve seen Donetsk and Lugansk as part of Ukraine in the end, right up until Zelensky blew up the agreement. Everybody outsdide your westoid echo chamber saw it all happen btw. You're only fooling yourself.
Russian interference in the Donbas Conflict was justified. Was the invasion as a whole justified is the question. I suppose that depends on the terms of a settled peace agreement. That's why my "opinion" is reserved until the war is concluded. Does that sound fair?
>>2590032
>>2590031
You lost, get over it.
>>2590034
No one ever hid that the ambition of the People's Republics was to join Russia. LOL. They were not Ukrainian territory when they did join Russia, however, since the people of the Oblasts voted for independence.
>annexationist intent from day one
Wrong. Putin was always trying to fleece the Russian people into supporting the Minsk Accords, despite this being a betrayal, it was the persistence of the Russian people in the face of their ruling class leaving the Donbass to die that forced Putin to accept the KRPF's demand to launch the SMO.
>>2590043We already know the terms of the peace agreement, Ukraine accepts that the four Oblasts have ceded and then joined Russia, Ukraine no longer joins NATO or the EU, and Ukraine caps its military to no longer be a threat to Russia.
no one noticed the subtle zionist apologia in his bait post, really?
Who the fuck gives any nation or state the "right to exist?"
>>2590051Only a worldview in which some world-police enforces an international law that it creates.
>>2590040
And hes back to reddit kek
>>2590049That makes it worth it only in the context of blocking western imperialist expansion. As for what the corrupt oligarchs have taken from the Ukrainian people, the trade unions the organised socialist movement etc, they are still at a loss with no obvious victory. Just seems like a bittersweet example of dialectical materialism.
Should the replacement for the Makhno statues in Gulyaypole be Lenin or some other figure
>>2590056Ukrainians will never realize how they're being pickpocketed. That's why the Donbass realized they were a lost cause and seceded from them to join Russia. Whatever Communist movement existed in Ukraine was probably only of Russians in the four Oblasts, also some Russians in Odessa.
>>2590063put up Trotsky just to annoy people
>>2590063I think Russia will literally keep the Makhno statue to show off how culturally tolerant it is and rub it in Ukraine's face.
>>2590010
Ukrop soldiers keep disappearing in those unimportant villages, its like a black hole.
>>2590063>Whatever Communist movement existed in Ukraine was probably only of Russians in the four Oblasts, also some Russians in Odessa.Liked some proof on that.
>>2590063They'll keep Makhno for the sake of left unity.
>>2590072Trotsky basically plays the same role as the anti-SMO crowd does today, sabotage of the anti-fascist war effort.
>>2590073Victor's mercy really is just insults to the loser half of the time. Just to show that they are not seen to be a threat.
>>2590076>left unityRussia is not actually left wing dumby. The thin line between Russian communist and Putin is only circumstantial. Obviously they won't keep Makhnos statue up. They only care for Lenin.
>>2590073I fucking hope not, what role do the anarchists play in Russian society? Just terrorism and sabotage of the war effort by the bequest of foreign intelligence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Organization_of_Anarcho-Communists This is not le great patriotic war 2, just neoliberal Slavs chimping out
Do people not realise that Makhno rubbed shoulders with people who participated in the pogroms that killed thousands of jews? Makhno himself wasn't antisemtic but a lot of Black Army commanders were White Russian pogromers who just wanted to participate in banditry.
>>2590091Frankly that just means its better now than it will be under the RF when Cuckin orders it rebuilt to appease nobody at all.
>>2590095Why do you think Ukraine has been building statues of him? lol. Fascists and anarchists basically fall in line for their shared love of nihilistic violence.
>>2590084It's been a minor talking point that Russia doesn't rename streets named after famous Ukrainians or tear down monuments of them, as opposed to Ukraine where it's done in reverse pretty much on the daily. It has been promised tho to return torn-down Lenin statues to their former places in captured territories. People are joking that Lenin statues are a mark of civilization.
Italian Fascism was actually was an ideological descendant from anarchism, with the ideas of Proudhon inspiring Sorel, who inspired ᴉuᴉlossnW.
Read about the Cercle Proudhon.
>>2590104This isn't even close to being related. Very low blow argument.
>>2590104Did Shitler think he was too much of a big shot to attend this meeting or was he too scared of comrade Stalin?
>>2590114It was a diplomatic meeting between diplomatic ministers. Also Hitler saw it as temporary so why the hub-bub. Stalin wasn't retarded. He read Mein Kampf, he knew invading Russia was always the Nazi goal.
>>2590086Russia is anarchist actually.
The simple fact is that I can't be shitposted into abandoning the thread. After three years, nafoids should know this.
>>2590143There's a giant list of shit they should be knowing by now, but a NAFOs defining psychological trait is persistent reality denial.
>>2589929
<fails to cohere that "inter imperialist" is the leftcom counter position to multipolaristas', interpreting it as a both sidist moral excuse that isn't what the leftcoms are arguing nor the counter position
<sensationalist orientalism on the 'russian world' when it is something far more boring (civic nationalist multi-ethnic federation with chud characteristics)
<projects the term multipolarity as unipolarity 2
<hoi4 tier fanfiction about 'zig' axis when this alliance of convenience will crack without overbearing unipolar pressure upon it
<measures state potential by their self prescribed superstructures and not their material position in the value chain vis a vis finance/industrial/extractive capital
<refers to specific pieces of military hardware with no bearing on the discussion , nor are these pieces the majority of inventory in combat
<"pick a side" ultimatum as if bros on the team
I know what you are
>>2589941>>2589957that'd be hysterical. top lel.
>>2590031
>DPRK
come on, that carries the weight of at least 200 cringe countries.
>>2589358hey, if they de-colonize themselves from the US, that'd be based. but that'd mean they actually would have to stop the war with Russia.
>>2589733>HI! I'M>Butt-a-shenko>>2589814See here
>>2588951Please, crtl+f something before posting, thx k.
>>2589311>>2589322lmao, talking about
Rolling in grave power generator (
>>2585816 )
>>2590025yeah, but the former get banned on sight, the second milk the (You)s out of the thread and can get away with it easily.
>>2590050do you mean this?
>>2590034 I stand with the brown international.
>>2589940
mate your post is a third incoherent rambling and strawmen accusation, a third pro-nato imperialism propaganda and a third pure western liberal narrative. What else but the seething of a guy who know he is loosing could have prompted someone to come all the way from reddit to make such an embarrassing post here
>>2589962
>given your post history
damn, the glowies unleashed a bot trained at reddit on us
>>2590021What a retarded conspiratorial take. It was literally a state program for "development of democracy", aka they were given money to young blood politicians regardless of their affiliation. Even Navalny got money from this program. Yes, Putin's regime was financing Navalny in early days, as a part of promoting political discussion
Have some critical thinking, for fuck's sake. Retarded conspiracy theories are retarded
>>2590007
Europe should just surrender. They can't force Russia out, while soldiers are grinding themselves to death; therefore, the only logical conclusion is, to stop bloodshed, is to agree to Russian terms. Afterall, what's so bad about outlawing Nazi ideology and stopping venerating Nazi collaborators?
Here's what I'd do to Russia after the war if I was in charge
>Complete de-industrialization, strip out everything that could be used to produce arms and munitions
>Turn it into a giant potato farm. Population conscripted to work on giant farms managed by the EU/NATO
>Outlaw modern medcine and level hospitals, only basic herbal medicine allowed. No antioitics, chemotherapy, tonsil removals, etc. Maybe allow basic alcohol based antiseptics
>>2589969No country is just going to let a bunch of people secede and join a foreign nation. The US wouldn't let Arizona and New Mexico secede and join Mexico
>>2590376Ukraine was given opportunity even in 2022 to have Donbass reintegrated into Ukraine, but only if Ukraine abandons russophobic policies and declared neutrality aka abandoning EU and NATO aspirations. Here, this was an easy way to deal with separatists - by peace and without bloodshed and at a minimal political and economic cost. Ukrainian fascist state, however, is based upon chauvinism and imperialism, they could not deal with a problem like grown adults and instead demanded bloody retributions like so, so many oppressive states before them; afterall, when dealing with rebellions, those in power usually refused to actually give any concessions, and when they tricked the rebels into disarming, swiftly put troops around them, killed the most prominent rebels, and then doubled down on oppression; denying such a course of action is seen as unacceptable to a fascst state that ideologically lives by the dream of enacting this kind of revenge on rebels
Who's the bad guy here? Ukraine, obviously. They cannot abandon their revenge fantasies, and their planned revenge is a bloody genocide. There's nothing to talk about, the only way forward for humanity is for Ukraine to lose, be demilitarized, neutralized, and "russified" in the sense of making Russian their second/first official language. Only this kind of conclusion to this war is progressive for the world
>>2590349Well a whole crop of euro politicians has staked their carers and reputations on this war and their self presentation as saviors of Ukraine and victors over le ebil P00tler. At this point, they're in too deep to simply stop, especially since they all insist that the hordes will keep going west if Ukraine falls. They've painted themselves into a corner.
>>2590375So you're proposing Generalplan Ost. Got it. Literally clocked your ass as a bitchass nazi previously, too. Be careful where you share your demonic fantasies IRL, you freak ass nerd. Unverhofft kommt oft, as the locals here say. Or just do me a favor and hang yourself, you fucking waste of oxygen.
>>2590378Let's be a bit more precise here: Russia wasn't asking for Russian to become the first official language, but simply a co-official language like it was before 2014. Same goes for all other persecuted minority languages in ukkkraine e.g. Rusyn and Romanian.
>>2590087BOAK are some kind of NAM project, they're only AC in name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-anarchism All Russia is doing is… not folding before Western greed.
>"This is wrong!" scream the both-sidists, "Our support is reserved only for those that lose!"
>"This is wrong!" scream the pseudo-leftists, "The Asiatic Hordes are reactionaries!"
>"This is wrong!" scream the NATO Nazis, "The subhuman's resources should belong to us!"
>"This is wrong!" scream the NATO liberals, "The jungle must be cut down!"
They scream, and they squeal. They produce media, where they win, and yet inch by inch, kilometer by kilometer, village by village, month by month, Russia is advancing, and shows no sign of collapse. So this collective refuse comes here to seethe, and squeal some more.
>>2589929
Mental intellectial mastoorbatyon. This IS le interimperialiste conflict, simple as. Mods, permaban this modernizer revisionist falsifier. History gave them le marxism but no, they want to consume denier falsifier slop.
>>2589929
Guys, is this a good bait?
>>2589929AI slop.
>>2590392Nope
>>2589929
Most obvious bait known to man award
>>2590438Even more embarrassing, someone sat down to write that when they could have been doing ANYTHING else.
>>2590438these 'checkers' are complete bullshit, believe your lying eyes.
>treating states and alliances as historic subjects
>>2590452world proletariat wins from the defeat of capitalism-worshipping Nazis in Ukraine
>>2590454Welcome back Kropotkin
>>2590457Kropotkin was wrong, though, in that he assigned Germans unique barbarism and hate for civilization. Here today, we have all communist states supporting Russia, while Ukraine is suppored by all the world's Nazi-loving states (and Israel)
>>2590456LOOOOOOOOL NEVERMIND THATS THE UKORP UYGHUR FLAG LOLOELEOEOLOOLO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL UGLY THEY PUT GREEK AND THREE FONTS AND SHIT FUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAK UKRAIJNEE
SLAVA ROSSIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>Above is the flag of Mariupol approved by the legitimate city council, below is the banner from the occupation administration.https://freeradio.com.ua/ru/bez-syno-zhovtykh-koloriv-i-napysiv-okupatsiina-vlada-mariupolia-namaliuvala-novi-prapor-i-herb-mista/hahahaha UYGHURS UORP UYGHURS CANT MAKE FLAGS HAHAHJAHJHSASASSAHJAH SHITTARDS SHITTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDS THEY SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK KIILL THEM ALLLL
>>2590461SLAVA ROSSIYA SVO Z
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Let's settle the dispute about Russian imperialism. Although Russia is undeniably a bourgeois republic, it can't be imperialist by Lenins definition because it is not a massive capital exporter and is instead a mostly commodity exporter, like China.
>>2590471No such thing as "russian" imperialism.
>>2590473Explain your reasoning.
>>2590474That's why we're having an "argument". God you dogmatic people have such thick skulls.
>>2590479
Holy shit please do it. Please actually do it.
>>2590476>muh argumentYou are a falsifier.
So apparently Von Der Leyen wants to invoke special powers to make it so EU parliament can ignore veto’s on sanctions renewals, extend sanctions to last longer than the few months they currently last for before a revote is required and ultimately pressure an extremely reluctant Belgium into being solely culpable for paying back Russia if they steal the assets for Ukraine European weapon procurement contracts and for-whatever-reason their “bulletproof” Russian reparations plan doesn’t work.
Is it ogre for the EU? European unity status?
>>2590483It's nothing. It's politicians thinking they still have the ability to make major decisions (they can't). The market makes the decisions. And if the market says America needs to be on-side, they'll relent.
European markets are fucked long term as it’s overly dependent on financial services in an era where AI can do a lot of that work and the EU and US have already taken actions that would undermine confidence in USD and EUR.
European weapons manufacturers are riding extremely high with the conflict in Ukraine and random promises of millions of Euros to be spent on procurement. The announcement of taking billions of Euros worth of Russian assets and giving it all to Rheinmetall could be the final all mighty pump before the entire European bourgeoisie fucks off to Dubai anyway.
There is some truth to the idea of Europe raping the US economy. Revived European industry gave America a trade deficit that they didn't cover with regular means, so they printed money that was worth more than its value in gold. But then they had given out money worth more than all the gold in their treasury. The French demanded payments in gold because of this, which killed the convertibility of US Dollars to Gold. Europe has so much American debt they could atomise the US market, considering how little America has going for it right now industry wise , its mostly just tech and AI these days. Regardless with China also the next 50 years doesn't look good for the American empire.
Nothing ever happens.
>>2590490Except it literally is in this case, my blackpilled friend. Even if Europe does nothing, which they most likely will, the dialectics are in motion and nothing can stop the crisis of capitalism within our lifetimes.
>>2590490Very US-centric mantra
>>2590479
MORE UNITED THAN EVER
>>2590491>muh capitalism crisisSo, nothing ever happens huh?
>>2590489There was a funny phrase from Russian student books - "resource superpower". USA wants this niche on the world market, lol
>>2590499This is different. Capitalism enters a state of crisis every 30 years or so as Marx accurately predicted. This however is cataclysmic. America has very few industries that keep its skeleton economy alive and has no reserves to fix the issue. Even an emergency centralising measure as seen during the Great Depression would find no way of rebuilding an industrial or technological industry.
>>2590499You know that funny “imperialism” word that’s often mentioned in this thread?
Being able to eyeroll about nothing ever happening is a product of NATOpians instigating 30 years of relentless happenings outside of the garden, by bombing about a third of the world and economically suppressing the rest, either via sanctions if you’re not a US vassal or imperialism if you are.
>>2590091>Makhno became giga puddiMany such cases
Can’t wait for the year 2060 when a resurgent German Forth Reich are invading Poland again and the accusation on the fire-walled European intranet is Germany are just trying to recreate the EU and all this altruistic talk of civilisation and eliminating the orcish hordes is just aping heroic Ukrainian aesthetics
>>2590091good. Fuck Lumpen-hooligans.
>>2590479
never gonna happen
europeans will NEVER give up the juicy yankeecock
>>2590509>westoids are turned into fertilizer and biofuelInsallah
>>2590452they are
>>2590429he is right, you exhibit bad faith
>>25905222 more weeks and HATO will lose its first soldier in this conflict
>>2590518
if you mean elections in ukraine, there's no news. it's another iteration of "make Russia capitulate and then I'll see about elections" by Zelensky. it isn't happening
>>2590543Even when the western media goes into full performative panic mode about Trump imminently surrendering all of Ukraine because a phone call with Putin’s delegate was had and described as “constructive”, Zelensky just attacks the Kerch bridge, a passenger train, a beach or something like that to sour Moscow on a negotiation they’re almost entirely disinterested in.
>>2590509wouldn't it be outline of the kremlin instead
>inb4 it has to be a religious constructionidk honestly, i supposed it was more of a "symbol of past glory made by literal slaves that we are surpassing" type shit
also angkor wat was the biggest city >>2590553Implying westerners don’t universally think that building *is* the Kremlin
It’s fine though because everyone thinks the Elizabeth Tower *is* Big Ben rather than the bell contained within
>>2590557My self-satisfaction that Americans found this to be the most hilarious depiction of Britain that could be thought of is immense.
But I imagine that’s true of most non-Americans, the comedic depictions of other countries can only be nonsensical and fanciful rather than accurate and scathing when you can’t even point to other countries on a map, much less know what a given country looks like.
>>2590564You are literally doing the meme tho:
>>2590556You guys got a weird obsession with your lame clocktower. I guess you aren't alone:
>>2590560That is a meme that only exists on 4chan anyways. Most Americans know you for having bad teef.
Likewise, that probably explains why Americans tend to be the ones kicking off the most about “vulgar anti-Americanism” online. Everyone around the globe is force-fed American media, politics, food, economics, etc that everyone from just across the pond to the arse end of Asia has America’s number in terms of critique.
>>2590568hey the kremlin clock tower is cool because it played the internationale once
>>2590568Just pointing out that people can mistake famous landmarks and it’s not just confusing St Basil’s Cathedral for the Kremlin
>>2590568seriously tho, why does Saudi Arabia have such dogshit architectural taste?
With all money and power concentrated in the King, he could have turned Mecca, Medina and Riyadh into the pinnacle of architecture
Instead it's same old 12 year old BIGSHIT without a sense of scale … or any sense of anything
>>2590577please make the watermark bigger next time
>>2590577What am I supposed to understand from these sperm-like things?
Big success? Failure? If yes, for whom? Muscovy or Khokholia?
>>2590577I’ll take a mass epidemic of squirrels choking to death on fiber optic cables over decades of people finding hitherto undetonated mines.
>>2590579I dunno, I just thought it's interesting and kinda grim. It shows the intensity of drone use since each strand is an individual drone. The (hohol) source says it's from both sides.
>>2590579Ngl that’s kinda bizarre that sperm was your first thought rather than perhaps a spider’s web?
Putin has weaponized CUMMING all over Ukraine and IMPREGNATING it with Ruscism
>>2590589Kek
>>2590590Maybe, but more because liberals have a habit of applying sex to politics, see all the accusations of Putin being cucked and this thread dickriding Putin and framing of Ukraine as an innocent defenceless woman being raped.. by Putin.
Perhaps Eurythmics were right, maybe some want to abuse Putin while other want to be abused by Putin.
>>2590595
Colour me impressed, you’re pretty well read by American standards. And by read I mean you’ve seen TikToks from other countries
>>2590599
>I’m not uneducated, your entire country is uneducated
>I don’t need to be educated everything I need to know can be summed up in one minute
>Also acksually I don’t just watch TikTok I’m also well versed in YouTube videos
…well touché.
>>2590599
>five sugars in a diet pepsi
that's just doing all that work for the same effect of a normal pepsi
Why Pepsi in particular anyway? I find RC Cola to be way funnier since RC sounds like “Arse” and presumably that’s why Britain is a two cola system
Who would have thought stating that Big Ben is a bell rather than a tower would cause such offence?
>>2590612I'm just taking your piss gent.
>>2590615Yes well it’s nearly 12 bong and I need to shortly have a tiffin, I shall promptly head down the apples and pears therefore and perhaps we can continue this chinwag later on.
>>2590620Tiktoks, YouTube AND Hollywood movies? Someone’s graduated from Harvard lmao
This is interimperialist conflict. Nothing ever happens.
>>2590623Did you graduate from Oxford or Cambridge or something?
>>2590627I’m a Brit who supports Russia against the imperialism of the British state. Obviously I graduated from Cambridge.
>>2590471Japan was in the main a commodity exporter too wasn't it
>>2590638>>2590639Lenin said that even non capitalist nations can be imperialist if they have a gigantic militarised society.
>>2590629I don't know if this is a bit of the ol' British umour or not, but look where you are lol. Why not hangout with your alumni if ypur credentials meant anything? Why are you here?
>>2590643It was indeed a joke, a reference to the Cambridge Five.
>>2590653Sorry chud, the US doesn't export capital.
Campism is for nerds. I hope Putin and Zelensky both get lynched.
>>2590657I hope putin mating presses zelensky.
>>2590660That's a good one, recognizable while also keeping the silhouette of the KR one
Would hang on my wall/10
>>2590660yo it's disneyland
>>2590630So, if Ukraine loses and gets split in half, also remaining indebted to US forever, EU will be too?
>>2590673I critically support Russia.
Waking up from another sound sleep of dreams about Ukraine being scorched.
>>2590674My favorite critical support is when the 'critical' is calling for its leadership during a crucial anti-fascist military operation to be lynched by Neo-Nazis (those are the only people in Russia who want to see Putin killed), and the 'support' consists of nothing.
>>2590648
>>2590652
It wasn’t anything personal, it’s just really, really funny that you tried to convey your awareness of another country via TikToks, YouTube videos and Hollywood movies. As though that wasn’t entirely my point about Americans knowing little of other countries by direct experience.
>>2590678The support consists for Putin pushing forward the dialectical conditions for potential crisis and revolution.
>>2590680It's really teally funny you are a wannabe elitist and you don't even have a degree from a known university. Where did you graduate from box-wine socialist?
>>2590642
I like the ukrainian one where the russian officer ends up drafting all the evadeniks to attack Poland
Box-wine socialist 'avin' a normal one.
>>2590685If somebody in Britain during Blitzkrieg was pushing for revolution to topple the government and lynch the officials in charge they'd be rightfully clocked as effectively a Nazi agent.
>>2590688Who are the evadeniks in that scenario? Ukrainians? Wouldn’t an invasion of Poland and Russia simultaneously be the dream?
>>2590692No. A war for more crucial resources and land divisions (and the west failing at it) shows that the current system of western power is collapsing, losing its power. It's marxist historical materialism in progress, not hegelian.
>>2590705The topic started before the joke. He independantly brought up Harvard before that. I don't give one fuck about your snaggletooth university history.
>>2590701>for more crucial resources and land divisions (and the west failing at it) The war is not for resources, what the fuck are you reading. The war is to ensure that people who desperately wanted to flee the Nazi government in Kiev can find shelter within the RF, and this is opposed by Ukraine because they want territorial maximalism despite not even bothering to use the resources on those lands when they actually controlled them from 1991 to 2014. Ukraine let resource-rich Donbass whither away into poverty, and Russia never made any claim to the land all the while until the Euromaidan coup prompted the establishments of the LNR and DNR.
>>2590698There was an ukrainian propaganda short where a bunch of ukrainian men make excuses for being ineligible for draft, then the camera pans to show it was a russian officer all along who proceeds to pack them into a truck and send them off to storm either Warszaw or Berlin or something like that
>>2590707And to clarify, because ypu brits are retarded:
>>2590623>iktoks, YouTube AND Hollywood movies? Someone’s graduated from Harvard lmao>>2590627>Did you graduate from Oxford or Cambridge or something?>>2590629>I’m a Brit who supports Russia against the imperialism of the British state. Obviously I graduated from Cambridge.Snaggletooth box wine socialist asked ne my credentials and I told him. Now what are his? A non sequitr about some fag history no one cares about is not an answer.
>>2590709>The war is not for resourcesOf course it is. Every war undertaken by a capitalist government is for the division and looting of territory. In America and Europes case, it's for key weapons manufacturing investment and factories, rare earth elements, agricultural products, grain and cheap extorted land purchased by private western companies. In Russias case its mostly strategic western industrial and port infrastructure.
>chauvinism
>>2590711Hmm as the “betrayed by the west” narrative sets in, that’s probably still going to work as then-pro Russian propaganda lmao
>say NO to serving in the proxy army of the traitorous <ACCEPT joining our historic brothers in fighting against our historic Polish foes >>2590714RF's main basis is the oil industry, which hinges on the stability of the flow of oil and of oil revenues. The SMO cannot have been launched for capitalist motivations, because it was wholly against the interest of the capitalist elites within Russia for it to have been launched.
You should read up on how the capitalists in Russia tried over and over against to get the Russian people to forget about the slaughter in Donbass by promoting the Minsk agreements over and over, that was what the Russian capitalists wanted: Russia to sign Minsk and promptly forget about Donbass. It was in fact the Communists who were pushing for recognition of the independence of LNR and DNR, for the anti-fascist military operation.
>>2590712>>2590712Damn. Pay attention in class kid.
>>2590722But the LNR and DNR are not independent.
>>2590723Damn no one cares snaggletooth.
>>2590721I think the point was "Ukraine will let you dodge the draft, but if Russia conquers us you will not be so lucky"
Which is funny in hindsight after 3 years of nonstop recrooting and busificatiin
>>2590724While the Minsk agreements were being pushed, the LNR and DNR had declared independence from Ukraine but were not yet a part of the RF. The RF was in fact pushing for the two to go back to the Kiev government.
>>2590728But the point is after their annexation they are not even autonomous. The USSR had individual constitutions for all of its republics
>>2590729What does that have to do with anything at all?
>>2590726Ah it’s just implied they’d be used specifically against the west?
>>2590729Tbh Russian republics also notionally have constitutions, including DPR and LPR
>>2590730It's all bullshit in the first place. He said he's ready for elections if he's given 60 to 70 days of "security guarantees" aka unconditional ceasefire from Russia. That's obviously not happening. It's just another iteration of "Russia doesn't want to capitulate so they just don't want peace, there's nothing I can do, now
givas"
>>2590730of course, but it won't happen because it's just another ploy to get the US to commit to go to war with Russia on Ukraine's behalf. the much better solution is for Ukraine to lose and Zelensky to be executed.
A nazi-with-liberal-charactistics governments being replaced with a neutered-liberal government is still progress and it represents a true end of the war.
>>2590730It won’t happen, Zelensky is not “ready” for an election, he commits unironic terrorist attacks at the mere mention of diplomacy. Because while long lasting peace is unlikely to be found in the negotiation room, eventually Russia’s refusal to acknowledge Zelensky’s authority to sign papers will very likely result in the west holding an election in Ukraine to select someone who technically would have the authority. It goes without saying that Zelensky is very unlikely to be that select and also unlikely he remains a free man in that eventuality.
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