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>>2584380Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet 481 posts and 105 image replies omitted.>>2586960Ah yes, so now intead of the imperial hegemon talking english they will use chinese instead. Trurly revolutionary.
This changes jackshit for somebody who's actually interested in abolishing capitalism.
>>2586959>T-They are not selling weapons they are just selling drones that are being used as weaponsSO TRUE ZIOZIZTER!!!
Guys hold up. I need to tell the Cubans they're class traitors and no longer socialist because they're accepting the Chinese breaking their global starvation embargo because China is "state capitalist" and imperialist or whatever.
>>2586963>Doesn't know anything about communism and capitalismYes we know anon it's very clear
>>2586964Who's "they"? Is it the Chinese government?
>>2586967>OKAY THEY'RE SELLING WEAPONS BUT IT'S NOT REAL COMMUNISM WITH CHINESE CHARATCERISTICS!!! CHINA HAS NO IDEA ABOUT THIS THEY'RE SO STUPID!!!THIS THIS THIS!!! SO FUCKING TRUE ZIOZIZTER!
>>2586968I'll repeat what I said. Who's "they"?
>>2586957>Retrofit commercial dronesSo they're not selling weapons then?
>>2586976shh, let him believe.
>>2586955Hmm seems like idealist/utopian reasoning to me. What would have had to change further back? How far back? Do we go back all the way to 1917 or what? What do you think the chinese communists should have done differently to be closer to construction of socialism then they are now?
>Pete Hegseth: "We are asking American taxpayers to fund the world's greatest military, we're asking mothers and fathers across America to trust us with their most precious resource, their sons and daughters, and we will honor their trust and their sacrifice."
Ok, here's the deal plebs: We get your money and your kids. You get to be poorer and watch your kids die before you do.
Sound good?
>>2586983Let's see how long that patriotism lasts when bodybags start coming back from vuvulza
>>2586989I'm sure people said that during the Afghan war.
>>2586991The issue with comparisons to old wars is that America isn't a unipolar hegemon anymore. A war with vevulza wouldn't be the rape that Afghanistan was, if they want victory it means total war, maybe not at the very start, but that's the direction it'll take when america starts losing
>>2586969>NO ONE IS SELLING DRONES TO ISRAEL THERE IS NO CHINA SINCE REAL COMMUNISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIEDZIOZIZTERS KEEP WINNING IN THE FREE MARKET PLACE OF IDEAS
>>2587001If I sold my copy of Wage Labour and Capital to Israel that wouldn't mean my country was encouraging socialist subversion.
>>2587002>Chinese book company sells books to IsraelAhuh, but mister dengist, the IDF could boobytrap the book couldn't they? I am very intelligent.
China has cut off Western arms companies from access to Chinese minerals and is being accused of having supplied hamas with weapons.
Why are sinophobes such liars?
>>2587032because wishful thinking
>>2587032I suspect they are paid trolls on behalf of NATO.
>>2586963China doesnt plan to become red USA, they see it as self-destructive.
>This changes jackshit for somebody who's actually interested in abolishing capitalism.Wrong, the end of american hegemony changes a lot for people who want socialism since american hegemony has been historically the number 1 enemy of socialism.
>>2586574Not only that, imperialism is pretty divorced from the average American. That might change if Trump ignites a war in the American continents and a draft becomes necessary. However currently imperialism is carried out with AirPower, proxies, and sanctions. It’s all very well hidden, it’s hard to connect the endless over seas wars with the endless austerity to sustain them.
>>2586574>but that doesn't necessarily make the main contradiction shaping internal class politics in an imperialist countryImperialism doesnt need to be "turned inward" (fascism) to shape internal class politics in the imperial core countries
>At any rate, I think the primary contradiction within the U.S. is between democratic institutions and concentrated capital.Concentrated capital and imperialism are not separate things.
>>2587057
is this ragebait?
>>2587064Communism seeks to abolish private property, "abolishing capitalism" is vulgar anti-capitalism.
>>2586463They were at Nashrallah funeral and you call theM CIA. You are the fed or dickriding servant of amerika
>>2587007BBBUT CHYNA SELLS OCCUPIED PALESTINE STOVES AND CLOTHING. THAT IS AIDING GENOCIDEEEEE
>>2587073
how is worker ownership compatible with private property?
>>2587073
This is usapol nobody has ever read any theory if u want to talk theory you have to go to /edu/
>>2587067>abolish private propertyNot in one fell swoop. But yes.
>>2587073No he's right. Read babies first Marxist book, like Principles of Communism or something. Come on now anon.
>>2587078>Not in one fell swoop.Agree.
>>2587081Well translate it as disolve or whatever, the point is that communism is not vulgar anti-capitalism.
>>2587073
What does communism seek then anon? Or are you saying it doesn't seek anything because its just a movement not a person? It's unclear what your contention is
>>2587081
Oh excuse me your grace I didn't know this was an academic bible translation debate. I will use "lift/lifting" next time.
This place is a meme
>>2587086fat ass latina gremlins is communism, yes
>>2587081
Engels approved of the english edition of the communist manifesto that used abolish for aufheben. Even though abolish does not cover the full extent of the meaning, it's very cringe to try and use this as an argument
>>2587072Try the drones they use to bomb refugee camps
>>2587094Sounds a bit weird to package your drones with bombs and bomb jettison systems. Sounds like a very specific niche.
>>2587092
Sure, it's an objective movement that overturns the present state of thing, which includes the abolition/transcendence of capitalism and private property.
Generally I agree with you, but you're being unnecessarily hostile and pedantic
>>2587100
I'd love to enter your deranged mind. Why would Engels, someone who spent much of his time in England, who became materialist and socialist because of the situation he saw in England, deliberately deceive English speaking people? You cretin.
>>2587100
>He approved of that translation alongside the actual word because he knew it would function as an easy filter between communists who were actually interested in the real movement as it operates in the real world and the liberal proto-fascists who wanted capitalism destroyed outright
Really where did he say this? Or is this a conspiracy that you concocted in your mind? My theory is that he just thought it sufficed as a translation
>Had he not done so there is a real chance that the First Internationale would have been completely taken over by Baukuninites, stifling the real movement in its cradle and we would never have the USSR
Oh I see you're just shitposting, alright nice bait anon
>>2587107
Bourgeois chauvinist delusion. This is not a serious conversation.
>>2586935>I know therefore everyone knows therefore shut upyou know. not everyone necessarily
>>2586554no offense but the essence of your comment is reformism
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