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>>2584380Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2586111ask Venezuela and Syria
FACT: DSA, CPUSA and ACP are all the same.
>>2586116Then consult the guide in the OP video on building a party
>>2586119What the left needs is at least 11 different communist parties like in Nepal.
>>2586117>A child is not American if I dont like the parentsYou just know that's where they're going with this
We need to get this fucking cheeto out of the White House.
>>2586119Divide and conquer, where have I seen this tactic before..
>>2586134I fear a vance presidency
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5635428-ag-bondi-trump-antifa-doj/
>Bondi outlines prosecution pathways after Trump call to go after antifa, left-leaning groupsCant wait to be charged for not clapping hard enough at a My Little Dark Age fashwave edit
>>2586125we already have way more than 11
something something market competition will lead to monopoly eventually
>>2586135>you are hecking trying to divide meno i am telling people that if none of the existing parties satisfy them, and they refuse to join one of them, then the next logical step is to start their own. The division on ideological lines has already happened. I am telling them what to do instead of nothing. Parties can march with each other and collaborate where they agree anyway. Even parties are broken into local orgs and caucuses. The question of "dividing and conquering" presupposes no collaboration or shared aims between the divided groups.
>>2586147every comrade should have their own personal party, great idea
Anyone feel like terrorism/assassinations are being romanticized in the US?
>>2586152Only if the perp is hot
>>2586152Years of lead.
Maupin warned us.
Also this is a good thing. I want billionaires shot.
Free luigi.
honkoid status?
>>2586117Watch they start putting ethnicities on approval lists for birthright citizenship.
Like the muslim ban but in reverse.
>>2586150not what i said troll
>>2586152not unique or unprecedented to the US, but yes
>>2586135>reposting a guide that the comintern wrote is dividing and conquering, especially when the comintern explicitly stated that if your parties are all revisionist or reactionary or reformist it is your duty to start a true revolutionary party. this is bad faith
>>2586152It's been this way from the beginning, even before wild west novels and movies helped keep this romance alive until other forms of violence were an easier sell. Glad you noticed the pattern.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuoynYcUMvw >>2586134Finally someone talking sense on this website
>>2586160How long until they decide they can take away citizenship status from natural born citizens, and I don't mean people with immigrant parents.
>>2586162You might as well have lmao. Self important idiots who believe they're the true "anti-revisionists" splintering off constantly is very useful for us. Self selecting for your own irrelevancy and inability to think further than "electoralism bad" is more than welcome! Seethe forever while normal communists with basic interpersonal skills and common sense organize and stay the course.
Keep disguising the fact that everyone disagrees with you and doesn't want to work with your retarded self importance as "anti-communist" and not just you specifically being a retard who can't form a coherent thought
REMINDER: If you are not a revolutionary and not an internationalist, you are not a Communist. Both of these things are as necessary to being a Communist as hydrogen and oxygen are to water. If you are not both these things you are at best a liberal and at worst (and far more likely) a strasserite.
>>2586188And what organizing have you done, exactly?
Everyone who complains the CPUSA or the DSA aren't positive forces in the world are projecting their own inability to form coherent sentences, arguments attached to reality, nor any ability to convince anyone in any serious left wing party that actually agrees with their schizo aggro rants.
They come here to cope and seethe because no one wants to humor their manic rants about imperialism or whatever and we have to deal with it every day
>>2586191What organizing has… The CPUSA and DSA done? Is that a serious question?
>>2586192Anyone who thinks the Democrats are a force for good in the world is a genocidal maniac who doesn't care about the majority of the world just as long as they can get even one more crumb off the table. The pathetic thing is that the Democrats cheat them of such but their caucuses like the DSA and "C"PUSA are convinced that if they're good little boys Lucy will finally let them kick the football THIS time.
>>2586193No, I was asking the anti-communist what organizing it has done. However, the question also applies to the DSSA and "C"PUSA, who have done nothing in their entire existence except kill the left, which is why they still exist.
>>2586184If Birthright citizenship is no longer applied then it's not just your parents who are under scrutiny. If your parents' parents weren't citizens then they retroactively weren't citizens either. Even one illegitimate ancestor means you are not a citizen. And how many Americans can prove all their grandparents were natural born citizens, never mind all their great-grandparents?
>>2586195are you like mentally handicapped
>>2586188to be perfectly clear since other people are responding to you
1. you should join an existing org
2. if that is unacceptable you should start a new org
3. under no conditions should you do nothing or only sit on the sideline as a pure critic
you ignored point 1 and pretended point 2 was a nonconditional statement intended to "divide and conquer"
>>2586201>zero args, just trollingreported for rule 11
>>2586202>You should start a new org if you don't like the current oneIf you're so self aggrandizing to think that you should do that, then actually yes lmao. Kick your own self out of the party so other people can get to work
>>2586202This creature is a dedicated anti-communist. It will never organize anything or accomplish anything except attacking the left.
It thinks it's smart for doing nothing. We will see how smart it is when our chekists lock it in a basement cell in our Lubyanka.
>>2586206Work doing what? Electing Democrats?
>>2586206actually listen to what the comintern wrote about starting parties or fuck off. you're not actually engaging with the existing theory here, you're just mischaracterizing a conditional statement as a nonconditional statement, making up shit nobody said, and pretending splits have never happened before. Was Lenin "self aggrandizing" when the RSDLP split?
Nobody is saying "split existing revolutionary parties for no reason." You're just pretending that's what is being said because it's necessary ingredient in the strawman you're repeatedly constructing no matter how many times I elaborate.
1. join an existing org
2.
if that org becomes reactionary, revisionist, reformist, retarded, or counter-revolutionary,
and you cannot meaningfully change it from the inside
then you have to start a new one
3. under no conditions should you do nothing or only sit on the sideline as a pure critic
4. if you think I am saying "split for no reason" then you are either stupid or lying or trolling or addicted to arguing.
https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/3rd-congress/riddell-translations/Communist-Party-organization.htm >>2586152>violence romanticized in the westno way!
>>2586212You're trying to make arguments with words when the only argument you should be making comes from the barrel of a gun. These animals know exactly what they are doing. No one is born an anti-communist wrecker. They become such only intentionally. They are not worth anything except target practice.
>>2586209Among many things, actually yes lol. If you have your head so far up your ass that you think "electoralism bad revolution now" there's a reason you're irrelevant. The two main leftwing orgs in this country the DSA and the CPUSA do so much more than just electoral politics, including organizing strikes, helping negotiate contracts, combatting ice, educating the proles, establishing mutual aid networks, teaching fucking English to immigrants, the list goes on and on.
But you're such a fucking narcissist that you believe you're above all of that. You couldn't tell me the actual organizational structure of the democratic "party" and how it's not even really a party. You think you're special, above it all, and have it all figured out and it's actually the literal COMMUNIST PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES that is the one who's wrong. No no no, it's actually YOU who's the communism understander.
>>2586215Beyond the fact that you are supporting imperialism,
The best case of this sort of "organizing" is that MAYBE in fifty years you will have enough voters to get free healthcare on a dead world. This is insufficient and you know it, but you don't want a revolution either now or in the future because you know that you would be one of the first up against the wall if it happened.
>>2586212So you believe that the ACP needed to split from CPUSA because they were correct in their personal perception that the CPUSA is revisionist?
>>2586218the ACP is reactionary and your question is completely in bad faith. Read
>>2586212 five times as slowly as possible
>>2586218The ACP is to the left of the "C"PUSA. Everyone splitting from the "C"PUSA or otherwise attacking it, discrediting it or destroying it by any means and with any weapon is absolutely correct to do so. The "C"PUSA exists to destroy the left and any attacks on it are self defense.
>>2586218I am the anon and this is my answer:
>>2586222This:
>>2586224 is not my answer
>>2586217>Supporting imperialismImperialism is essentially dead
>World dead in 50 yearsFor all your talk of anti-imperialism, you seem to completely ignore the progress AES countries have made in environmental sustainability and global warming. Ironic implicit euro-centrism
>Revolution (but it's just a war)You want a war for your own personal catharsis. The masses would suffer immense loss for your own self aggrandizing unnecessary fantasy
>>2586215>including organizing strikes, helping negotiate contracts, combatting ice, educating the proles, establishing mutual aid networks, teaching fucking English to immigrantsAll of which is completely useless because it only benefits Americans. What about the billions either enslaved or living in unimaginable poverty to sustain your standard of living that the Browderites want to make even more decadent and exploitative?
>>2586228You are either an anti-communist, a literal retard or both.
Trump is a Trotskyite and gets all of his policy ideas from The Heritage Foundation which was founded on the belief system pioneered by people like Irving Kristol (
https://www.dailysignal.com/2009/09/21/heritage-mourns-loss-of-irving-kristol/) who was a well known Trotskyite.
It is the Marxists who go by the name of Neoliberal/Liberal/Woke/etc. who are at "war" with the Trotskyites who go by the name of trumpism/neoconservative/conservative/libertarian/far right/etc. When the marxists attempted to assassinate Donald Trump in 2024 Donald Trump brought the third and newest group to the mexican standoff in JD Vance.
JD Vance is the puppet of Peter Thiel one of the cofounders of Paypal alongside Elon Musk. Peter Thiel also runs Palantir which had its IPO in 2020 and was a key player in the Covid Hoax and is also now heavily involved with government military contracts. Peter Thiel and Elon Musk belong to a faction known as the "Transhumanists" these are the people who believe they can create "god" on earth through an advanced enough Artificial Intelligence and they believe that they can attain "eternal life" by transferring their consciousness to a construct and they are VERY serious about these beliefs. Many of them have net worth's in the hundreds of billions and are building private cities all around the United States such as a Elon Musks "Starbase, Texas" or Steve Jobs family "California Forever", Billgates is building a private city named "Belmont, Arizona", Peter Thiel is building "floating cities", Larry Ellison bought an entire island in Hawaii and is turning it into a private city, you get the point.
You might ask: What is the difference between a Trotskyite and a Marxist? Basically it boils down to HOW the so called word changing "revolution" occurs; Trotskyites believe that "revolution" should happen on a global scale and the world to be in a constant state of "revolution" while Lenin believes that each nation should form their own "socialist states" (such as the USSR, or Mao's China) on their own terms and "revolution" should be a one and done thing.
They both share one crucial thing in common though in that all the plebians and slave caste which they label the "workers" should be ruled over by a parasitic managerial class who live in opulent luxury. This is also true for the Transhumanists as well and they are building their private cities right now to accomplish this as I mentioned above.
All of them share themes of brutalist techno dystopia where the Party is always right, where language is molded on the fly to fit the crisis (The definition of Vaccine is a very good example of this recently), where dissidents are punished harshly, and often jingoistic in nature.
>>2586228Communism isn’t about “the masses” and Americans suffering is a net positive
>>2586212Yeah I read it. What you're arguing is so plainly obvious that I find it difficult to imagine why you even bring it up.
>If party bad make better oneYeah no fucking shit. But the subtext I assume when you say that is that you believe the CPUSA and DSA to be anti-revolutionary/revisionist. Which is ultimately retarded because they're nascent anyways, in the belly of the capitalist beast.
>>2586224The ACP is reactionary (and a cult), the CPUSA is revisionist, the DSA is tailist, the PSL is reformist, the Revcoms are a cult around Bob Avakian. There is no Communist party in the USA.
If there were, then splitting that party would be bad, but there isn't a true revolutionary communist party.
>every man a party?yes. that is what is being said. unironically. literally. for realsies. follow haggie thatcher thought. there is no such thing as society, only individuals.
>>2586234>Communism isn't about the massesWow FINALLY mask off lol lmfao even
>>2586235CPUSA became an open fascist party 70 years ago when they embraced Khrushchevite revisionism and slandered the legacy of Stalin, none of this is new
>>2586234>Communism isn’t about “the masses”true
>Americans suffering is a net positivefalse. if for example the entire world were lit on fire, right this moment, americans would suffer, but so would everyone else, therefore it wouldn't be a "net positive." You are just retarded. Reported.
>>2586236There are communist parties in America. I am in one.
>>2586237>basic Marxism is “le mask off!!!!”Retardation of such a profound level as yours is only possible in a corrupt and decadent society like America that actively rewards stupidity and vice so it makes sense you want to preserve it
>>2586237prediction: anon will follow up with an elaboration that "the masses" is an "interclass construct" and therefore you are "including the bourgeoisie" and no amount of quoting Lenin or Mao using the term "the masses" will put this accusation to rest.
>>2586238Mistakes does not fascism make. If you're a communist and you want to do literally anything real, you'll join either the DSA or the CPUSA. Those are your choices. Plain and simple. If you think they should do something different, fucking join them and suggest it. That's how democracy works.
If you think you're going to make something totally new and have it succeed, you're a self important narcissist.
yakub what have you done
>>2586244The fascist’s worship of action for action’s sake makes itself apparent yet again. I have no need to do anything because China and Russia are destroying imperialism and mogging the west simply by developing their economies and are rapidly overtaking your pathetic declining empire. Communism has already won
as a florida fag you are a retard if you want to live in the south west of the state like cape coral and fort myers. It floods so insanely easy. I think we should let the sea take that area and stop rebuilding it. If floods so easily and can't handle a hurricane
Us south florida fags can handle anything we are like cockroaches. We don't flood and can outside in hurricanes cause we are retards who can't be stopped. I'm summary if you want to live in South part of Florida do not go to South West
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/20/fastest-growing-city-america-florida-cape-coral-215724/>>2586235>Yeah I read it. What you're arguing is so plainly obvious that I find it difficult to imagine why you even bring it up. because people were complaining about all the existing parties and it was a direct response to those people you fucking time wasting idiot. instead of accusing me of "splitting" for giving those people a solution, how about you go and talk to them instead. god damn dude.
so far this "Conversation"
>I tell people complaining about existing parties that they should start a new party instead of complaining endlessly<get accused of ulterior motives to "divide and conquer" the already ridiculously fractured "US Left">elaborate with perfect clarity that no, that is not my goal and restate my original thesis<get strawmanned relentlessly>elaborate 5 or 6more times<"ok you're correct but everything you said is so obvious you must have a secret motive for bringing it up">elaborate that no I was responding to people complaining about existing parties and showing how existing theory already gives them a taskwhat will your next stupendous cope be in this ridiculous inquisition you relentlessly annoying asshole?
>>2586246>China destroying imperialism by developing their economiesYES! HOLY FUCK WHY DOES IT TAKE THIS LONG TO UNDERSTAND.
Developing the economy with free trade is THE engine of progress towards socialism. Anti-imperialism is done IN THE PERIPHERY. Reform in done in the core until our MIC is intimidated and surrounded. Then the final transition is a cakewalk.
Jesus fucking Christ how hard is that to understand
>>2586252>we outsourced every job, even the revolutiondamn, the finesse
>>2586240please don't say which one or you'll start a struggle session. thank you. that is all.
>>2586252>reformRevolution will happen long before any reforms are offered
President Donald Trump’s tiredness, recent MRI and hand bruise suggest he may be taking medication to treat Alzheimer’s disease.
The Alzheimer’s drug Leqembi is administered through an infusion (for example, through the hand) can cause swelling, bleeding, or fluid leakage in the brain, requiring regular MRIs- Can cause tiredness.
Last week, a New York Times article reported that Trump is showing “signs of fatigue” in his second term, pointing to a less robust public schedule than his first term.
The article pointed to an occasion at noon on Nov. 6, when Trump held an event on drug prices in the Oval Office.
At one point, Trump’s eyelids drooped until his eyes were almost closed, and he appeared to doze on and off for several seconds. At another point, he opened his eyes and looked toward a line of journalists watching him. He stood up only after a guest who was standing near him fainted and collapsed.”
Trump is showing signs he’s taking the Alzheimer’s disease drug Leqembi wich explains why hes hand is blue and uses band-aid.
>https://www.themirror.com/news/politics/donald-trump-perfect-health-doctor-1545837https://www.al.com/politics/2025/12/trump-showing-signs-hes-battling-major-medical-crisis-democrat-claims.html>>2586253Literally yes. The CPC is all it actually takes. We follow THEM. The CPC specifically is the vanguard of the entire world. The USA doesn't need to install its own one party system (even though it would be nice) in order for global revolution to take place.
Eventually, America will actually have a structure like China/Vietnam, but probably only after China leads the world for a few decades. While I would LOVE to have a revolution, you can't force it, and it's nowhere close to happening lol. We just wait and do normal economy things for now because even that is progressive and lends a hand to progress.
>>2586255Cope and seethe!
>>2586234>Americans suffering is a net positivethis would only be true if Americans (and, in particular, the American working class) suffering resulted it resulted in a net gain for everyone else, but that is not necessarily the case, is it, as this anon already said:
>>2586239 >if for example the entire world were lit on fire, right this moment, americans would suffer, but so would everyone else, therefore it wouldn't be a "net positive."Your "zero sum game" logic is easily disproven. And we see, even without the contrived example of the world being lit on fire, that in real life, American imperialism
primarily results in the suffering of non-Americans, but also is
secondarily fueled by the privatization, deregulation, austerity, union busting, defunding of education, etc. in the domestic American economy. The suffering of American workers is the necessary input to imperialism, and the suffering of everyone else is the necessary result. It is in the interest therefore, of American workers, to fight American imperialism, because they do not benefit from it, even if the American bourgeoisie do.
>>2586259This country has two futures, open dictatorship with digital IDs and currency or revolution. American porky, used to global unipolar hegemony, does not believe in the necessity of reform. These are the limitations of crumbling liberalism
>>2586262>digital IDs and currency why wouldn't communism have digital labor vouchers and a database of who lives in the country? You need that for central planning. You sound like a lolbertarian.
>>2586111no. bitch be mad because the libs sabotaged his first tenure, and plotted against him (keir stamer literally paid influencing campaigns against trump, for example). bitch be mad indeed.
>>2586263..im not saying it wouldn't?
>>2586244If by "anything real" you mean supporting imperialism, then yes, join the DSSA or "C"PUSA.
If you want to be a Communist, you should join any other organization.
>>2586260Basically a non-insignificant portion of ultra leftists spend more time organizing to try to sabotage and demoralize the American Left than actually organizing against capitalism. It’s a wholly toxic relationship, cultish in a way.
>>2586270something something precious volk something something treats something something no american working class something something geopolitics something something zero sum game something something every time a third world child dies in a drone strike an american gets 10,000 dollars, but every time an american dies, a third world child is liberated from wage slavery
>>2586268Thank you for confirming you have no counter argument
>>2586271>>2586270>willfully pretending not to understand how the MIC and 401Ks work >>2586270You are not the "American left"
>>2586262>Muh oversimplified false dichotomyThe fascists here couldn't even go to war with Iran, they couldn't win a trade war with China, and they're about to find an excuse not to go to war with Venezuela. Our secretary of defense Kegsbreath is being openly accused of war crimes by even the elite because of how incompetent they are.
It is
materially impossible to make the USA even more reactionary than it already is because the bourgeoisie would have to liquidate the working class they themselves depend on domestically, as well as the developing countries and global trade we depend on to survive.
>>2586276They understand, they openly want to use American imperialism as a tool to build up the homeland at the cost of everyone else on earth.
>>2586276wait till you find out how australias and the UKs pension schemes work your head will explode
>>2586274This proves that there is an unbroken line relating chinese fo Apachala, China must retake Apalacha, its not like there aren't enough States for Amerikkkans in Amerikkka anyway, chinapalachians have nowhere else to go, know no other home. You must respect Chinese-Apalachilian self-determination.
>>2586271>”we should organize to overthrow capitalism”<“All of you are guilty of capitalism and the only thing you should be organizing is your own funeral!”Literally these types try to rally more support for capitalists in the west than against them.
>>2586282You do not want to overthrow Capitalism, you want to reform it so it benefits the American Volk at the expense of everyone else on earth.
>>2586257China is imperialist, capitalist and not internationalist.
>>2586278>the bourgeoisie would have to liquidate the working class they themselves depend on domesticallyI understand that. Ultimately the bourgeoise want more workers not less. My argument was moreso how civil liberties will continue to be taken away instead of concessions being given. Life will get harder and the state will be more intrusive into daily life. But this exactly why I think revolution is most inevitable here, as opposed to China or Russia, who have experience with dealing and see the necessity of giving the working class reforms. I really see american porky driving this country into the dirt for no consideration other than profit, which is ultimately desirable
>>2586283let those who doubt watch as the proletariat, ever hopeful, strides to rid itself of it's chains, and breaks the unholy rule of the bourgeoisie
>>2586286completely outing yourself as an unserious retard
>>2586287>Implying China needs a revolution Are you like… Do you know even the first thing about china?
>>2586283Pure nonsense statements without evidence. You think shutting down our overseas bases are bad because it could be pitched with a peace dividend to people.
>>2586286Whatever you say anarkiddy
>>2586286self proclaimed communists dont hate whoever the CIA tells you to hate challenge (impossible)
>>2586293You provide material support to a party that wants to open more bases and expand the Military industrial complex. Your endorsed candidate was more responsible for the GWOT than anyone except Bush and Cheney and dramatically expanded the extrajudicial murder program, along with overthrowing peaceful and stable countries like Libya and Syria, leading to millions dead and tens of millions displaced.
You are an imperialist, you provide material support to imperialism. It doesn't matter what you say, it matters what you DO, and what you DO is provide all-around, enthusiastic support to imperialism.
Your party wants to use imperialism as a tool to build up the American homeland at the expense of everyone else alive, and you cannot even try denying this because it is as true as 2+2=4.
>>2586279Which is why I said “pretending”, they cover their evil by playing stupid
>>2586297>more responsible for the GWOT than anyone except Bush and Cheneyhasbara detected
>You provide material support to a party that wants to open more bases and expand the Military industrial complex. Your endorsed candidate was more responsible for the GWOT than anyone except Bush and Cheney and dramatically expanded the extrajudicial murder program, along with overthrowing peaceful and stable countries like Libya and Syria, leading to millions dead and tens of millions displaced.
We don’t endorse candidates, we point out that Republicans are materially worse.
>You are an imperialist, you provide material support to imperialism. It doesn't matter what you say, it matters what you DO, and what you DO is provide all-around, enthusiastic support to imperialism.
By that logic you’re the greater imperialist because you consistently try to organize for the worst of the two imperialist parties to win.
>>2586286What would you expect to see from Chinese internationalism? I don't see how China isn't, simply because they aren't boldly 'exporting the revolution' like the USSR did.
>>2586296>>2586290You're even dumber. Fuck off.
>>2586301Joseph Robinette Biden sat next to Bush and told us that Saddam Hussein had WMDs in the silo 45 minutes from launch despite the fact that he knew it was a lie, and we know that he knew. He then used his position as chair of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee (along with his loyal lieutenant Tony Blinken) to stack the deck so only pro-war voices were allowed to speak at the senate hearings about the war. Then, as vice president he overthrew peaceful and stable countries like Libya and Syria, he was not a bit player in these wars, he was the driving force and everyone in the Obama regime admits it.
He is DIRECTLY responsible for the death of at least 5 million people. Knowing this, seeing it all happen the same as I did, the "C"PUSA still endorsed him, campaigned for him and raised funds for him.
>>2586302Considering both times Trump has been in office had directly correlated with the remission of imperialism and Zionism in favor of national conservative developmentalism, but because he says faggot and retard sometimes he gets called a “fascist” even when he’s objectively less harmful to the imperial periphery
>>2586303Funding Communist movements overseas, for one. Even Maoist groups have been cut off and hung out to dry by the CPC, who supports reactionary governments like Marcos and Modi over the CPP and Naxalites.
>>2586304Sure. Communists are materialists. Communists support reactionary butchers all the time.
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