/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

ZION DON SAYS ALL OF VENEZUELA'S OIL BELONGS TO HIM:

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115731908387416458

>>2600489
There are many ways. The most likely of them will need to be novel contemporary systheses fit to the landscape inherited.
Internationally recognized sovereign parallel communist institutions (which requires democratic processes aka voting) that gain enough power (political will and mass support) to eventually replace the current constitution. We must simultaneously grease the wheels of the capitalist machine therefore advancing it's development and inevitable obsolescence by attacking the monopolistic and imperialist cartel apparatuses that hobble free trade.

By utilizing the liberal capitalist system against itself, the super structural formations will become sclerotic and unfit to interface with the real economy itself, thereby necessitating it's replacement. In a sense, yeah you can have mass support that partially entails voting. At some point you reach a critical mass of support that the once hegemonic but outdated superstructural apparatus cannot possibly maintain its position.

There will of course still be armed skirmishes and years of lead (lard) as well as some possible militant guerilla groups (like Colombia) but those are actually secondary to the need to simultaneously partake in legitimized democratic legalist institutional processes. Again look at Colombia: their current president was a literal armed communist fighting paramilitary forces to wear down power without having to fully overthrow the nominal government.

You can call this incrementalism or reformism all you want, but these oversimplified derogatory accusational phrases treated as "sins" completely misses the point that you must apply dialectics to tactics if you ever plan on winning

>>2600495
>It's fucking crazy, like where does this fucking unearned sense of theological authority come from?
America has always been a hotbed of lay preachers talking out of their ass. The Protestant impulse against rigid church authority and towards a kind of religious democracy is admirable, but clearly there can be some negative effects when it's taken to an absurd degree.

>>2600481
>ironically, haz repudiated revolutionary defeatism in an interview with fuentes because "it will get me arrested"… you mean arrested like Lenin and Stalin were?
>>2600494
>That's pretty funny, I like that lol. I'm imagining anti-idpol struggle sessions
The guy I was talking to also had a weird authority principle. I was like "idgi, these leftists don't seem to be reacting well to your argument… why not let people have different ideas I'm just an innocent normie…" and he was like they must obey authority and the ACP somehow represents that among communists. And I was like why's that. He replied, everyone has an authority, for example you must obey the laws of your state for example and it's unjustified to disobey. Okay, that is a normative claim. In reality you have to obey authority because it possesses coercive power and will make you do what they say (which these guys don't possess), so I asked him a hypothetical about what would happen if the U.S. government conscripted me (which they have the legal authority to do) and sent me off to war, would it be right if I disobeyed the government because I had an ethical disagreement, and he stopped replying.

Stay away from Heidegger, man.

>>2600508
> our oil
> in venezuela
How did get there?
Did venezuelans trick our oil into migrating there?

>>2600418
“Russians are benefitting from imperialism, Lenin is le colonizer because he’s telling these workers that they can improve their lives by overthrowing their boss instead of berating themselves for being on land their great-great-great-grandfathers stole from the Karelians or being richer than people in China/India/Africa.”
-you 110 years ago

>>2600502
>Thinking 1903 theory in a feudal society applies to a 2025 liberal capitalist society with entirely different material conditions

Lenin is important, but so is every other communist theorists who has contributed since him. And besides, people like you always oversimplify his lessons anyways. He was wrong about many things, and other AES countries in the world improved on his concepts to their own ends.

>>2600513
ur so right. modern usa is just like the russian empire. trook spook

what if lenin was gay? i think he was gay for martov

>>2600508
invasion imminent

>>2600511
>Heidegger,
<Death like gives life meaning and stuff
Wow! I must obey the ACP now.

>>2600512
How dare you undermine the lived experience and agency of ExxonMobil Corp and Shell plc?

>>2600508
It's going to be amazing when Russia and Iran start 'sanctioning' American oil tankers and seizing them, too.

>>2600508
the world has ended. eternal retarded USA tyranny. we all shoulda gotten nukes. oh well

>>2600521
they won't do that because they like money and can't beat the USA militarily

Literal terrorism

>>2600509
That's all well and good and of course democratic processes will take place, as they do in all social revolutions but
>At some point you reach a critical mass of support that the once hegemonic but outdated superstructural apparatus cannot possibly maintain its position.
When this happens I really don't think the previous apparatus will just hand over the levels to power with little more than a few skirmishes and paramilitary groups, that seems like a very optimistic proposition to me

>>2600524
Iran sized multiple oil tankers in the past, though.

CPUSA supports their "fraternal" Zionist settler Maki party.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/our-international-party-line/
This is complete betrayal of proletarian internationalism. CPUSA is zionist party.
>On the CPUSA website we have published statements uplifted by our fraternal parties– both of Maki and the PPP and the coalitions they struggle within.

>>2600524
>>2600521
They won't do that because it is not in the interest of multipolarity bros to be seen as unstable and unreliant as the dying burger reich is.

>>2600531
yeah but that was before. remember how they cucked to the USA on their nuclear program? iran is done. history has ended.

>>2600534
doubtful.
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/stealth-bombers-and-bunker-busters

>>2600515
>and other AES countries in the world improved on his concepts to their own ends.
Yeah I liked when Khrushchev improved Lenin and approved democratic socialist projects that obviously were going to fail and ended up in thousands of Communists getting killed.
>Thinking 1903 theory in a feudal society applies to a 2025 liberal capitalist society
Marx is even older and his context was also way different from current USA (which is neoliberal not liberal so he didnt even have it in mind unlike feudalism) so I guess we shouldnt even bother with that unc.

>>2600534
Idk what planet you are from but history just started on mine with China taking over.

>>2600526
The point is that those outdated liberal imperialist forms become deeply impotent and malformed where they can no longer interface with the tools of oppression. Socialism is necessary under a developed enough material productive base/economic form (in the Marxist sense diametric to superstructure). They won't "hand it over" but their "opposition" would be flaccid at best

>>2600532
>Maki party
Isn't that an anti-zionist party? I mean I guess they're in israel and they're kinda two stater, so they're zionist in that sense

>>2600537
the prc has no ambitions beyond taking their place in the coming multipolar global economic order of mostly fascist and ultra liberal countries!

>>2600538
Yeah but that still doesn't mean it won't be violent/a revolution/a civil war, just that it might not be a bad or overly long one?

>>2600542
Please educate me about "fascist countries," enlightened American.

>>2600536
You're still so Russia focused it's like the only thing you've read about. You can disagree with Lenin in a retarded way, or you can improve on his theory and focus on the meat of Marx and Lenin that still applies and synthesis new praxis like all the other countries that had their own revolutions and progressions outside of your myopic obsessions. You probably ignore China Vietnam and Cuba as well as the entirety of LATAM. You're waiting for the day where every communist "just does what Lenin did duh so simple" when that day will never come, because 1900s Russia is 1900s Russia and nowhere else is comparable, not even 2025 Russia

>>2600546
the usa has been fascist and white supremacist for some time now. most of europe are now electing their own fascist or ultra liberal leaders! the rest of the world don't matter because they have no material means of shaping the world economic order! and they will be kept underdeveloped through brutal military intervention by a coalition of first world nations and their impossibly advanced future tech weaponry. the prc might on occasion join them!

>>2600544
It just depends on what your definition of "civil war" is. I don't think that the presence of just any domestic violence and power struggle = civil war. To assume that not a single bullet will be fired is nonsense, but to assume that armed combat is the central aspect of revolution as a general idea is a very limited and uncreative way to be a serious communist.

If your entire concept of communism is that you're waiting around for a civil war, then you're just focusing on like 10% of the efforts of historical communism.

>>2600542
China has been overly cautions because they don't want to end up like USSR. But as the USA declines they will take up leadership just by existing as an economic powerhouse with a strong state.
>>2600520
ExxonMobil should tell their truth

>>2600551
No of course, but if a violent revolution/civil war does take place, you don't want to get caught unprepared and get Luxembourg'ed

>>2600467
These are articles. They have done zero actions. not even single march for venezuela this whole time as they encourage people to vote (for platner)

>>2600462
Only implicitly, as to explicitly promote Platner is too brash. The DSA is struggling with that quagmire this moment, (and it must be noted that this only began once it was clear he would lose.) What they have done is encouraged people to unconditionally vote (for platner) as Venezuela is bombarded https://www.cpusa.org/article/defeat-trump-and-maga-vote-as-if-your-life-depends-on-it/ .

Voting for Platner is the only logical conclusion of this unconditional dick riding. Vidrel is where, during all this, joe sims tries to argue that "social-democracy is not the left-wing of fascism." If Platner's nazi tattoo were unknown, that video would not exist today. The chronology is clear. All these things are linked: The Platner reddit posts, the social-fascism apologia, and lastly the vooting.

>>2600289
both interact with politics purely through the following:
>aesthetics
>online culture war
>based-cringe dialectic
>failed attempts at self-actualization
>lolbert indivualism(I am only sentient person in world of NPCs treatlerites)
Instead of politics actually being something that happens in the real world and involves social relations. They have the mindset and demeanor of an /r9k/ poster and can only use political discussion as a vehicle for throwing hissyfits about how we're ontologically evil for not glazing them for being the next Lenin. If they actually go around irl telling people there socialist they can only hurt the movement is the fucked up part.

>>2600550
You are retarded treating your headcanon as fact! Many such cases!

How do you guys explain this if both are capitalist

Man, the treatler meme made some of you so butthurt. It stings cuz it true, innit?

>>2600540
>isn't that an anti-zionist party?
This couldn't be any more wrong.
https://maki.org.il/en/?p=31397
>Sexual Violence Perpetrated by Hamas Must be Investigated as Crimes Against Humanity
Maki are settlers. That is why CPUSA supports them and calls them "fraternal" party. Maki calls Hamas terrorists. CPUSA is a zionist party. CPUSA-lovers are zionists

>>2600555
Again that is a no brainer. People constantly say this like it means you should never take part in elections, as if Nazi Germany could happen again outside of it's specific historical context. Like "oh don't get killed by the nazis". No shit. But there are so many other historical examples of socdems NOT being murdered by Nazis that no one talks about. Rosa becomes the exception we've all heard a thousand times. It's unhelpful at this point and honestly reddit tier "I just become a communist like a year ago" rhetoric

>>2600569
Aiii yeah I guess you can't expect much from an israeli party after all. From what Im aware there's a lot of arabs in the party tho

>>2600547
?
Thats a lot of retarded assumptions about me and not true at all lol.
>or you can improve on his theory and focus on the meat of Marx and Lenin that still applies and synthesis new praxis
What is this new praxis in the case of CPUSA?
>You probably ignore China Vietnam and Cuba
What communists in those countries did was to adapt Lenin (or more specifically marxism-leninism) to their own conditions, and adapting is different to this "improving" you talk about. But maybe you mean the same thing?
>as well as the entirety of LATAM
I actually had Allende in mind when I was talking about Khrushchev supporting democratic socialism as a case of moving away from basic Leninism not being such a good idea.

>>2600575
>>2600575
Tell me the Lenin quote about what if your enemy is incredibly strong for the time beingn and also their army has nukes and is the world hegemon? What does he say to do then?

>>2600564
Within the endo-neo-colonized areas of amerika, treats are under lockdown by settlers. Within comprador imperialist states like japan, there is no endo-neo-colonial system so treats are distributed more freely.

>>2600578 (me, switched to mobile data IP)
Also tell me what Lenin thought about the internet and the ubiquitous surveillance state