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>>2598830Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet 555 posts and 101 image replies omitted.>>2600819American state is too strong for there to be a fascism. Fascism is a democratic self organization of people
>>2600634>sonnenrad in desantis ad>parkland shooter in broward countyI wonder if the groyper will ally or conflict with the Miami gusanos
>>2600810Ideology aside (because Fuentes is clearly a nazi), Fuentes has a likable character, unlike the disgusting Destiny or Agent Kochinski. Even BE is too corrosive. Haz could be this likable scumbag leftist but he has some manic obsessions and goes apeshit over some slight disagreements which makes him look rather manchildish.
Adam Friedland is a very chilled and likable leftist but he is too vanilla for most, he's pretty much a centrist. So yeah I think that is why Fuentes is being normalised so much despite being an outright nazi.
>>2600762This is all shockingly naive and the DSA will never accomplish anything because they are trying to use the internal mechanisms of a bourgeois state which exists to sustain bourgeois power. The DSA has zero legislative accomplishments because they insist on operating inside this bourgeois framework where they will constantly be hamstrung by the system. The system exists to destroy them. Reforming it is a contradiction on par with a vegan tiger.
>>2600767Yes. The other dems (mills, alcala) are moderate in relation to platner in that they are do not call themselves socialist and they are unapologetic zionists. That is why the left like cpusa and hasan supports him and not them. I am not saying platner is actually pro-worker or that he is not a nazi. I am saying that CPUSA says to elect "pro-worker" candidates, yet they name no candidates so they practically say to Maine, "elect platner."
>33 other seatsOf those, 22 are held by the MAGA cabal, including the one platner vies for. Four are needed to end the fascist republican dictatorship of the senate and Maine is one of the best chances.
>>2600839>the left>cpusa and hasankek
Hasan is america's Lenin whether you like it or not
>>2600845Who will be America's Trotsky and Stalin?
>>2600850uhh Agent Kochinski and destiny
>>2600845he's not even america's kautsky. america's lenin was eugene victor debs, self described american bolshevik, who was actually older than lenin, born in the 1850s, was always a union man, but came over to Communism late in life in prison when he read Capital, and was at his most revolutionary in his last 5-10 years of life. There is nobody closer to the american lenin than debs unfortunately, except maybe fred hampton, but he was killed too young.
>>2600820it's all bait tonight
>>2600102The axis of resistance was betrayed by it's overseas "allies", who the resistance begged to open a second front and they refused to do anything except vandalize a few Starbucks.
>>2600857Hey, at least we learned something new
>>2600854.
>>2600857Baiting and posting stupid shit is the only way to make theorycels post theory, though
>>2600634wtf kinda name is fishback
>>2600616I mean it doesn't really help them against the police who are the ones breaking the camps up and forcing them to relocate elsewhere which is the main issue causing the deterioration of their quality of life but I guess they could use it to defend themselves from individuals wanting to take their shit.
>>2600616i feel like giving black homeless people hard liquor and a machete is setting them up to get them shot by the police, but maybe I'm just cynical.
>>2600616I can tell this is from 4klan cuz there's no audio
>>2600119You'd think your party would learn a lesson and stop supporting the Democrats at some point.
>>2600854>If the Hendersons and the Snowdens reject a bloc with the Communists, the latter will immediately gain by winning the sympathy of the masses and discrediting the Hendersons and Snowdens; if, as a result, we do lose a few parliamentary seats, it is a matter of no significance to us. We would put up our candidates in a very few but absolutely safe constituencies, namely, constituencies where our candidatures would not give any seats to the Liberals at the expense of the Labour candidates. We would take part in the election campaign, distribute leaflets agitating for communism, and, in all constituencies where we have no candidates, we would urge the electors to vote for the Labour candidate and against the bourgeois candidate. Comrades Sylvia Pankhurst and Gallacher are mistaken in thinking that this is a betrayal of communism, or a renunciation of the struggle against the social-traitors. On the contrary, the cause of communist revolution would undoubtedly gain thereby.Hasan is upholding this, is he not? For amerikan conditions, Communists must urge electors to vote for the Democratic candidates and against the fascist Republican candidates.
>>2600623>There needs to be a dengism scroll if you read the dengism elder scroll you would see how there is already some stuff in there like that, like Engels's quote in his letter to Florence Kelley Wischnewetsky about recruiting people for the First International from the Bourgeois-Democratic parties.
>When we returned to Germany, in spring 1848, we joined the Democratic Party as the only possible means of getting the ear of the working class; we were the most advanced wing of that party, but still a wing of it. When Marx founded the International, he drew up the General Rules in such a way that all working-class socialists of that period could join it – Proudhonists, Pierre Lerouxists and even the more advanced section of the English Trades Unions; and it was only through this latitude that the International became what it was, the means of gradually dissolving and absorbing all these minor sects, with the exception of the Anarchists, whose sudden appearance in various countries was but the effect of the violent bourgeois reaction after the Commune and could therefore safely be left by us to die out of itself, as it did. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1887/letters/87_01_27.htm >>2600884No. Communists must urge workers to take up arms and overthrow the bourgeois system which is killing us all and bringing about human extinction.
>>2600908We should form a Communist party worthy of the name instead of joining the Ultra-Browderist "Communist" Party USA, which has denied class struggle and advocates for class collaboration.
>>2600908They can write whatever the fuck they want but their actions never follow their words. The CPUSA = DNC, but with a Red Flag rhetoric.
A real Communist Party would hammer the need to dismantle NATO like maniacs. They would make this their number 1 priority. They would infiltrate all spheres: trade unions, PMC 'culture industry', intellectuals, rural areas etc and vilify NATO.
A real communist party would also try to win over factions of soldiers and militarymen.
The Bolsheviks would never succeed had they not had a significant portion of the Soldier's Soviets.
>>2600914This is one of the few times I disagree with you, trying to recruit American babykillers is pointless. They are totally indoctrinated to be thoughtless killers for capitalism, to such an extent that they even call their own training indoc.
>>2600910>>2600913It's interesting reading articles on their website where they criticize Browderism and class collaborationism.
Is your thesis that organizations can never recover from revisionism once they become revisionist? i.e., that a revolutionary organization can become revisionist, but a revisionist organization can never become revolutionary again?
>>2600914>A real communist party would also try to win over factions of soldiers and militarymen. >The Bolsheviks would never succeed had they not had a significant portion of the Soldier's Soviets.You and felix will disagree on this due to the nature of the US military (all volunteer, only bully postcolonial countries vs. russian military in the bolshevik situation, which was mostly working class draftees, and was fighting near-peer adversaries in WW1)
Hilarious how great Maoist revolutionary BRG, with all his crackka this and crackka that rhetoric, is a DSA stooge while building his PMC life in white suburbs. Even then, the retarded creature cannot live normally, he has to assault swing sets to Le Epic Own le Karen next door.
Tragicomic.
>>2600915>to such an extent that they even call their own training indoc.something to be said for the honesty lol
>>2600916Look at what they DO, not what they say. It's very easy to write some articles, it's very difficult to actually stand up and do something about it.
When the rubber meets the road, the CPUSA collaborates every single time, and they always have throughout their history. The fact is, the party of today is Ultra-Browderite, they have totally rejected the theory of class struggle and replaced it with collaboration. It's literally a pillar of their doctrine to form alliances with the petty bourgeoisie, supporting the small business tyrants from whence fascism emerges, always with the help of social democrats like them.
>>2600916I repeat, they can criticise Browderism in writing and all. But a real CP in America has one clear primary objective: vilify NATO like obsessive maniacs. If not, then all roads lead to DNC entryism.
>felix disagreement volunteer nature army etcYeah obviously the USA in 2025 is nothing like Russia in 1917. But the fact remains, if you reject the electoral route (no point talking about 'parliamentarism' as the USA has no parliament with multi-party), if you reject class collaboration, and your thesis is armed uprising of workers, having a portion of soldiers on your side is a sine qua non for success. Else it ends in another WACO or Tulsa. When people talk about the Black Panthers, they only mention the traitors and how they were infiltrated. Even if they were not infiltrated, they would still get crushed if they attempted an armed uprising. Simply sloganeering "Armed uprising of the workers led by the revolutionary vanguard" does not change physical reality: not even a tbousand workers will rise up, your 'vanguard' are LARPers and retards.
In short, if you insist on armed seizure of power, having a portion of the militarymen on your side is non-negotiable.
>>2600919Yes, the USA is an Anime Convention turned into a country.
>>2600921ok i hear you but there was a more general question than about specifically the cpusa:
<Is your thesis that organizations can never recover from revisionism once they become revisionist? i.e., that a revolutionary organization can become revisionist, but a revisionist organization can never become revolutionary again? obviously the democratic party can't be reformed from within, but perhaps the communist parties (there are many) in the USA can be reformed by the rank and file workers within them? I only ask because building a party from scratch can also result in a revisionist piece of shit party. can you take an existing organization and make it better, or is that impossible. if so, why? why can the capitalists co-opt all our organizations and make them worse, but we cannot do the reverse? It's a theoretical question for you, not a repudiation of your ideas.
What did lenin do? Do that. Whatever he did
If I had divine powers, I would have all Liberal Arts Colleges self-combust immediately.
The SAT-acing nerds with their big glasses create a literary bubble and lull themselves into an alternate reality. When time comes to work and earn money, they pop the revolutionary bubble and join corporate and become HR ghouls.
Of all the 'circles' which are supposedly socialist/communist in America, how many actually have workers in them? If not as cadres, then do they atleast have a worker audience?
While the Bolsheviks were a bunch of lawyers, writers, poets at first, their audience was absolutely proletarian. Which is why Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky managed to conjure up a Red Army of millions seemingly overnight. They had been using the Workers and Soldiers Soviets as Roman 'forums' for many years before 1917. They constantly took the temperature of workers and soldiers.
That is the difference between a vanguard and cringe LARPers.
>>2600928ok, I will start going to law school in st. petersburg…
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>>2600930>>2600927What is the benefit of trying to reform the CPUSA from within? They are a moribund organization and a totally irrelevant caucus of the Democratic party that sells out what little credibility they have for absolutely no benefit. They have very few members, no resources of note and no power.
You could, theoretically, reform the party, but WHY?
>>2600922You will not find soldiers willing to join you, the average American babykiller is the most savage and reactionary example of the American people, they are rabid dogs who should be destroyed before their sickness can spread. Maybe 1 in 10,000 are potential allies, all the rest are your worst enemies.
>>2600632>le revolutionary momentIs not going to happen. This is not Tsarist Russia, nor Imperial China, Nor Imperial Ethiopia, Nor Colonial Vietnam, Nor whatever, nor ever will be. Get your head out of your memes. Let us live in reality. You will never shoot it out with the government and win. It will never happen. The armed forces will never decide, "whoah, I guess the communists students are more popular than the government, so let's overthrow the government." And that didn't work out in Ethiopia. Just stop. Be realistic. We live in an actual democracy. If the majority of people wanted communism, we would have it. But they don't.
>>2601193You will never win shooting it out with the government and the armed forces. Even if you got every single person who is a civilian to rise up against them you would never win shooting it out. They have a million trump cards. It's such a ridiculous fucking premise.
>>2601680Oops don't know why the bongs called there missiles and subs the same thing.
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