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>>2598830Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2599481This is incidentally also Cockshott's argument. I forget which video he said it in, but I'm sure he says it in his books too.
>>2599572seperatism is retarded, and malcolm X finally saw the light and embraced la raza cosmica when he went to mecca and saw slavic and african muslims coexisting in hajj
>>2599942it's just a joke derived from Trump's "may allah awaken the people."
>>2599942blumpf is only the first of many incompetent USA leaders who will steward the decline of the USA. but the decline of conditions to the point where a revolution is possible will take decades maybe even a century!!! even now burgers are nowhere close to starving. and they are aware that their tolerable standards of living depend on the worldwide imperialism of the USA!!!! any extralegal political action, never mind violent uprising, is unthinkable for the average burger. with typical burger arrogance they perceive themselves as polite representatives of proper human civilization. even the "radical" commentators among them only serve to assuage outrrage and funnel it into the political apparatus!!! until a severe economic crisis comes (it will come as a consequence of global warming and the modern global financial system) and famine becomes widespread will change of any kind be possible in the U. S. of A.
>>2599965I like the guy who's in the parking lot several hundred feet away just running away from it like it's gonna hit him
>TWist mods
Burger scizhophrenic paranoia reached neyt level
In 2016 a woman named Katie Johnson went public with her testimony that Donald Trump had raped her at age 13 with a Jewish Israeli Mossad agent named Jeffrey Epstein. At the same time, Trump was becoming president and more and more scrutiny was being put on his past with the Zionists via Jeffrey Epstein.
In order to divert people's attention from their own crimes, Zionists created a fake Russia investigation in order to protect Donald Trump and Israel from their exposure to the Epstein case.
Zionists basically took everything about the real story (foreign blackmail, foreign bots, foreign sex) and switched "Israel" for "Russia". Next, they created the QAnon psyop to make Trump seem like a victim, rather than a beneficiary, of "deepstate" conspiracies.
Indeed, the term "deepstate" itself, was created in order to distract people the Zionists.
This is how the guilty conspire and use psyops to evade punishment for their crimes.
It all worked. The left and right all forgot about Israel, and focused on Russia. Trump shills were willing to forget the president's association with mossad agents, and instead began to view him as a victim who oppressed by "the deep state" because he was an anti-establishment rebel who was fighting for the people.
Its important to understand the intricacies of how the propaganda worked because the exact same playbook is about to pulled out again when Trump's redacted version of the Epstein files are released, which will be redacted in such a way that it makes him look as if he was informing for the FBI and working behind the scenes to fight the Zionist pedophiles he actually worked for
>>2599959Can you believe it guys?
Revolution is in a week!
Woohoo!
Revolution, just a week away!
I am so happy about this information
>>2599971Nobody else that accused trump ever mentioned katie johnson or her supposed recruiter katie doe, it was kind of flimsy tbh
>Patriot Front, a White supremacist group, has been quietly building a 124-acre compound in the mountains of east Tennessee, where they train members and host fight clubshttps://cnn.it/44rpU6VMeanwhile we're still having endless arguments about which hobbies are legitimate and which are treats
Operation Trust (Russian: операция "Трест", romanized: operatsiya "Trest")[1] was a counterintelligence operation of the State Political Directorate (GPU) of the Soviet Union. The operation, which was set up by Cheka, the GPU's predecessor, ran from 1921 to 1927,[2] set up a fake anti-Bolshevik resistance organization, the Monarchist Union of Central Russia (MUCR) (Монархическое объединение Центральной России, МОЦР), in order to help the OGPU identify real monarchists and anti-Bolsheviks.[3] The created front company was called the Moscow Municipal Credit Association.[4]
The head of the MUCR was Alexander Yakushev, a former bureaucrat of the Ministry of Communications of Imperial Russia, who after the Russian Revolution joined the People's Commissariat of Foreign Trade, when the Soviets began to allow the former specialists (called "spetsy", Russian: спецы) to resume the positions of their expertise. This position allowed him to travel abroad and contact Russian emigrants. Yakushev was arrested for his contacts with the exiled White movement. In the same year of his arrest, he was recruited by the Soviet secret police by Artur Artuzov.
MUCR kept the monarchist general Alexander Kutepov from active actions, as he was convinced to wait for the development of internal anti-Bolshevik forces. Kutepov had previously believed in militant action as a solution to the Soviet occupation, and had formed the "combat organization", a militant splinter from the Russian All-Military Union (Russian: Русский Обще-Воинский Союз, Russkiy Obshche-Voinskiy Soyuz) led by General Baron Pyotr Nikolayevich Wrangel.[5] Kutepov also created the Inner Line as a counter-intelligence organization to prevent Bolshevik penetrations. It caused the Cheka some problems but was not overly successful.
Among the successes of Trust was the luring of Boris Savinkov and Sidney Reilly into the Soviet Union, where they were captured.
The Soviets did not organize Trust from scratch. The White Army had left sleeper agents, and there were also Royalist Russians who did not leave after the Civil War. These people cooperated to the point of having a loose organizational structure. When the OGPU discovered them, they did not liquidate all of them, but manoeuvred them into creating a shell organization for their own use.
Still another episode of the operation was an "illegal" trip (in fact, monitored by OGPU) of a notable émigré, Vasily Shulgin, into the Soviet Union. After his return he published a book Three Capitals with his impressions. In the book he wrote, in part, that contrary to his expectations, Russia was reviving, and the Bolsheviks would probably be removed from power.
In 1993, a Western historian who was granted limited access to the Trust files, John Costello, reported that they comprised 37 volumes and were such a bewildering welter of double-agents, changed code names, and interlocking deception operations with "the complexity of a symphonic score" that Russian historians from the Intelligence Service had difficulty separating fact from fantasy. The book in which this was written, was co-authored by ex-KGB spokesman Oleg Tsarev.[6]
Defector Vasili Mitrokhin reported that the Trust files were not housed at the SVR offices in Yasenevo, but were kept in the special archival collections (spetsfondi) of the FSB at the Lubyanka.
In 1967, a Soviet adventure TV series, Operation Trust (Операция "Трест"), was created.[7]
In the 1920s and 1930s, the Soviet Union also pursued multiple "Trest-like" deception operations in East Asia, including "Organizator", "Shogun", "Dreamers" and "Maki Mirage," all against Imperial Japan. Like Trest, they involved the control of fake anti-Soviet operations to lure rivals.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trustpatriot front still thinks its 2017 the whole micro protestor blocs with mini riot shields is so dated
>>2599955Marx formally presents primitive accumulation as a historical precondition of capitalism, even while making remarks that imply continuity (e.g., ongoing violence, colonial extraction, reproduction of separation). But later we get the explicit formulation of primitive accumulation as permanently ongoing process, more clearly developed by later thinkers (e.g. Luxemburg, Harvey, Federici). I am more of the persuasion that primitive accumulation isn't merely proletarianization of the peasantry, and enclosure of the commons, but an ongoing process, since war constantly renews primitive accumulation, in miniature, in areas devastated by war, where the productive forces have been destroyed. Same with settler-colonial violence, like what we see in Gaza. Not all accumulation is capitalist accumulation under capitalism. Sometimes straight up illegal robbery and brutality still occurs on a massive scale.
>>2599998It's probably for the best though that we get our shit together lest we be beaten up by a bunch of dorks wearing khakis and blue polos
>>2599998idk dude, a 124 acre compound is pretty impressive. then again I hear they're feds so they probably have resources most of us don't.
>>2600003Some anonymous fascistic family has lots of land to give out. How many are using the property? Patriot Front probably has less than a thousand members.
>>2600004thanks for the archive link. fuck paywalls.
>>2600007> Patriot Front probably has less than a thousand members.is it possible to know such a thing with any certainty unless you are in the organization, or part of a well equipped federal organization surveilling them?
>>2600009have you seen their rallies
>>2599999Killing bisons and making it so that indians have nothing to hunt is also primitive accumulation then. Based settlers proletarianizing hunterer gathereroids.
>muh terra preta >>2600007>>2600009Officially they probably have less than a thousand members but you have to take into account they have connections with other Neo-Nazi accelerationists like the Aryan Freedom Network and the Active Clubs which are explicitly designed as decentralized cells preparing a "standby army" for the coming race war. When that's all factored in their numbers swell to at least several thousand. It's a network that heavily overlaps and unlike the left is able to collaborate across differences in "post-revolutionary policy" for lack of a better term for the sake of initiating a race war.
We don't need compounds. We don't believe in private property.
>>2599991they've already got ICE rounding up browns in concentration camps. next is right wing death squads disappearing people for posting leftist shit on xitter the everything app blaze your glory. make not mistake, screencap this. the trump administration WILL deputize one of these clandestine fascist paramilitary groups to do their dirty work.
and you will do nothing!!!
Capitalism caused colonialism and not vice-versa. Once colonialism started, it then became a symbiotic relationship where they complemented each other.
But to claim that colonialism happened first, and then caused capitalism, is the height of stupidity. Anyone with at least half a brain should understand this. Those who insist on disagreeing are sentimental radlib wreckers who have infiltrated a supposedly communist space to instil poison in the minds of the naive and innocent.
>>2600019Merchants caused capitalism
>>2600018bruv they already are, ICE and the military have declared swastikas can be "potentially" offensive when adorned. I'm talking swastika banners. The lite italian fascist larp of the patriot front is obviously not a concern.
It's pretty funny how patriot front has zero mainstream support by far right online cause they all call them feds and attack them lol
>>2600018Deputize as in turn a blind eye?
>>2599942What's wrong with this sentence, Mr Bloodgasm, grim reaper of the Malagasy and Nepalese people aka retarded Maoist and cocksucker of British S?
>>2600025nah he just means 'assign the task'
maybe idk
>>2600026Mods, ban him for transphobia
where's our cool dengist compound
>>2600021You said it before and I heard it then. I hope the Fred Hampton and Walter Rodney cultists could hear you for once.
>>2600028what transphobia?
Actually, it was settlers who caused capitalism. And for that you need colonialism
>>2599992Dzerzhinksy was a true gigachad.
>>2600035American narcissist has to make it all about himself again.
inb4 'Im not american', you are spiritually an American animal, fuck you >>2600035Settler Colonialism is a product of capitalism. There was no need to settler-colonise on a large scale before the massive land redistributions of early capitalism. The Spaniards and Portuguese were not significant settlers early on, all they cared for was bullion.
>>2600039how the table turn tables something like that idk
>>2600039I hate liberals.
>>2600041We are all living in america. We are all americans.
Epstein was a member of the Trilateral Commission
>The donations appeared to have their desired effect. In 1995, Rockefeller welcomed Epstein to the board of Rockefeller University, according to prepared remarks we found in his family’s archive. Around then, Epstein hosted Rockefeller at his Manhattan mansion to discuss with a small group of wealthy people how to best pass on money and values to younger generations, according to someone who was there. Epstein also became a member of the Trilateral Commission. A program for a dinner in 1998 celebrating the commission’s 25th anniversary noted the evening’s participants, including Epstein and Forester, who were listed as a pair. (Forester said she didn’t recall attending.)https://archive.ph/j1yaU>trilateral comission
>its da jooz masons illuminati deus ex
>>2600021>Merchants caused capitalismMerchant's Capital and Usurer's Capital are called the "antediluvian" (pre-flood) forms of capital by Marx. That's a biblical metaphor rather than literal. What he means is that before Capitalism, you still had two primary forms of capital, but these forms of capital were based on, on the one hand, "buying cheap and selling dear" (or buying low and selling high, as we say today), where merchants would take advantage of their superior means of transportation to quickly move goods from an area of low demand to an area of high demand, and accumulating capital on account of that difference in demand which covered more than the cost of the transit, while, on the other hand, usurers, AKA loan sharks, would historically accumulate capital by giving money to those who demanded it, and charging a rate of interest over the period of repayment which was greater than the rate of inflation over the period of repayment (economists have long argued what the "natural" rate of interest is; In my mind, t's the rate of inflation, since only by charging higher interest than the rate of inflation can a loan be profitable over a given period, but I digress.).
But for Marx, these two historical forms of Capital which predate capitalism are not what "caused" capitalism. What "caused" capitalism was a unique combination of industrialization, proletarianization of peasantry, and colonization of "savage" societies. People think Marx doesn't talk about Colonialism, he does quite a bit, especially in the closing chapters of Volume 1, he just doesn't talk about it using the same language we hear today. That being said, Capitalism is charcterized primarily by Industrial Capital, which requires exploitation of labor power in an industrial setting of commodity production. It requires socialization of labor while the results of that labor remain privatized. This was not caused by the historical forms of capital, but rather developed out of them due to changes in technology and organization. The industrial revolution was the real driver of capitalism. It is technologies like the steam engine which allowed capitalism to finish being born. >>2600039the confederacy won i guess. the US just slowly became a giant dead weight on the world that would rather rely on cheap foreign labor than continue to develop means of production which abridge labor processes and lower prices. lmfao even by capitalist logic this country is backwards.
>>2600056Notice how he doesn't have to demand anything from eastern countries because they are already BEST FRIENDS
>>2600056lmao usanians are the dogs of israel
>>2600057Fortunately for us the lack of labor is whats driving history
>>2600060because he knows he aint getting shiet from the east
>>2600064
Felix were you the one arguing against Chagosposter in the last thread? Were you the one with cringe Bugs Bunny picrels?
>>2600067
🧢
>>2600067
this is another holocaust.
>>2600065Except weapons, labour and cheap trade deals
>>2600073There is a special kind of wrecker here who deflects Western complicity in Israeli crimes by bringing up the 'East'. I wonder why that is. Does Israel exhibit such chutzpah while committing genocide because of the unequivocal support of the West or Chynah?
>>2600069
ok i wasn't talking about cpusa though. it might be time to take meds.
>>2600075oh that makes it ok to sell a little weapons to israel then
>>2600073I know you love your Eastern Filipina maid, Moshe Ben Retard, but show some appreciation to your American bailers. You exist because of them, not because of Zhou Zhang or Dhuc Phuc.
>>2600077Okay. Are you denying that Russia and many other eastern nations are in kahoots with Pissrael
>>2600083Do you also want to call me a ching chong while you're at it
>>2600077their favorite tactic is to whine about raw trade volumes because they need to abstract away the question of weapons. China (if you look at 2023 trade statistics, since newer statistics are paywalled) trades more with Israel in terms of raw trade volume, but over 99% (literally, not figuratively) of that trade volume is
not in weapons, but in ordinary commodities. And what few weapons China does sell to Israel are civilian sidearms, knives, things not being used by the military. It is the West which sells Israel the vast majortiy of explosive ammunition being used to level Gaza, and in particular it is the USA which gives Israel weapons for free, as well as selling them more weapons than all countries combined, while also giving them free intelligence, and strategic assistance (such as saving Israel from Iran, earlier this year). So to me the entire question of China vs. USA with respect to Israel is so massively asymmetrical that it can only be brought up in bad faith. Some people bring China alone (rather than China vs. the USA) but why they do that ITT rather than in /PRC/ is obviously to make some kind of implied comparison. It's weird.
>>2600089What I'm noticing is you not denying that China sure does love trading with Israel but justifiying it. The same old
>It didn't happen and if it did it's good and it should happen again >>2600082yeah, the vast majority of countries on earth have normailzed trade relations with israel. that's obviously a problem, and israel should be a pariah state. But by that logic so should the USA, who sell more weapons to Israel than all other countries combined, including "The East"
>>2600084I was not born yesterday, Levi Moronstein. You exist, you expand, you murder, you rape because of America's unconditional support. What the Russians, Chinese or Indians do or do not do is irrelevant. They could all put embargos on Israel today and your buddies in America and Western Europe would sort you out in a heartbeat. They would take economic hits but they would make sure you do not suffer a single shekel's loss.
So fuck you trying to shift the blame on the East, Zio-leftcom-Nazi.
>>2600090>What I'm noticing is you not denying that China sure does love trading with Israesee
>>2600091 >>2600092What am I now? Jewish? Can't keep with it
>>2600090what i'm noticing is you didn't even begin to read the post and are just trying to hammer home the same point over and over again rather than have a dialogue about it or make any kind of analysis. of course I "don't deny" china trades with Israel. Why the hell would I deny that? What I do deny is the idea that Israel is "best friends" with "The East" which is how this conversation started. The VAST MAJORITY of weapons sales, as well as strategic support, comes from the USA, so much so that it dwarfs all other countries combined. You do not deny this, you just ignore this, and pretend the presence of this additional information is somehow intended as a negation of your "point" which nobody denies. If you aren't here to specifically compare with the USA, then it's not on topic.
>>2600091>that's obviously a problemApparently it is not according to you guys since you keep moving the goalposts or calling me jewish like if that was a slur
>you're jewish
<no you're jewish
groyper fight!!!!
>>2600095you are a leftcom retard, a Russophobia, Sinophobic and indophobic racist who can never listen to criticism of the west without chiming in BUT DA EAST
i remember some leftist commentators suggesting that zionism as a project was over in the wake of the palestinian genocide. but the grim reality is that the global community has decided that this was just an inconvenient blip in history that they had to make a couple of condemnatory statements about and now have gone right back to business as usual with israel. israel will gobble up the middle east. the axis of resistance is dead.
>>2600099>Apparently it is not i just said it was. you're arguing with a made up guy in your head at this point. fuck off.
>>2600099> since you keep moving the goalposts or calling me jewish like if that was a slurthat wasn't me
>you guysyou have to lump me in with other retarded anons . i made a very clear, nuanced, and fair analysis which you ignored here:
>>2600089 >>2600097>"best friends" with "The East" which is how this conversation They are pretty much best friends. No backpush, open trade with their zionist neighbors including weaponry who steal from and rape palestinians. Sounds like a good friendship at the very least and you're just denying it.
>>2600106>that wasn't meI don't really care? You don't push against it either, so one has to assume you're on the same sides here.
>>2600101Does Russia not have a good relationship with Israel having it make up 20% of the zionist colony's population or is that "russiaphobic" to point out? Why aren't you calling me jewish as a slur again? Did you realize how bad that makes you look?
>>2600112>jewish as a slurHe called you israeli and a zionist you retard
>>2599991Burger "anti-fascism" is pseudo-activism and should be classified as a TREAT, sir
>>2600114He called me a jewish name + an extra insult fused with it you disingenious anti semitic fuck and does Russia not have a good relationship with Pissrael having the zionist colony make up 20% of russians or is that "russiaphobic" to point out?
>>2600109I don't push against it because I just report posts like that and move on. Obviously "You're Jewish" is not a real counter argument, but you have no counter arguments to what I ACTUALLY SAID here
>>2600089 so you have to lump me in with the other guy and also do the things I mentioned here
>>2600097>>2600107"Best friends" is the USA and Israel, since the US sells more weapons to Israel than all other countries combined, and also provides strategic support and intelligence to Israel. "The East" also has a problematic relationship with Israel, which I do not deny, my point is that it is
nowhere near the level of what the USA is doing and I
level my criticisms primarily at the USA since
I live in the USA and have
more power to change things here and I'm always being told on here that I'm "complicit." Ever think of that?
>>2600039The gardener spoke. The jungle trembled.
>>2600112ziorats like you is why I miss Sandi-retard
>>2600119CPUSAnon back with his useless liberal bullshit
Felix is under your bed with his toy gun, good night bitch
>>2600116you are obviously bringing up russia and "the east" in /usapol/ for a reason. If there is no reason then you are completely off topic and should be removed on that grounds. That implicit reason you are bringing it up is to compare with the USA. But when I follow up your statement with an analysis, you shy away. Here is the analysis which you find so irritating:
>>2600089Nobody is telling you "russia and china have no relationship with israel" what we keep telling you is that the vast majority of weapons are sold to israel by the USA, and the USA also provides more strategic, logistical, and intelligence support to israel than
any other country. You have no answer to this, so instead of answering this you simply repeatedly complain that pointing this out is a "failure to deny" (????) the fact that "the east" also has relationships with Israel. But why would we deny that if it's true? Why is "failure to deny" the truth a bad thing? It's just not relevant in /usapol/
unless (!!!) you are making a comparison to the USA, but you don't like the comparison with the USA, because the USA is so much more supportive of Israel than
any other country including the countries in "the east" who you insist are "best" friends with Israel, even though that dishonorable title obviously goes to the USA, by any relevant metric.
Do you actually understand now, or are you going to continue to deflect in bad faith like a tantruming child? >>2600075Mandatory chynah
>>2600116I hope the Australian beaches are warm enough for your delicate skin, Anonymowski
It's not too far from the chinese besties, if you feel threatened by the swarthy men of the (islamic) east
>>2600117>I don't push against it because I just report posts like that and move on.Okay, but I will push against it and will point out how you're fine with blatant anti semitism on your side just saying.
>but you have no counter arguments to what I ACTUALLY SAID hereYou haven't made an argument. You moved the goalposts and were too afraid to me to answer directly because for you it is fine for China to trade with Pissrael. I am not and I am also not fine with the other eastern nations being so nilly willy and happy to trade with Israel. China is not the focus of the world (for me at least) and you retards constantly pretend it is. Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Russia, Vietnam, Japan, etc are just as fine having children bombed and raped to death with their help.
>"Best friends" is the USA and Israel,Okay so you're only objection is that my language was too strong and hyperbolic instead of the core point that most eastern countries have very friendly relationships with Pissrael and zionists face no actual pressure from them, got it.
>>2600128sorry but the Israeli-American 'special' pedophilic relationship will be stressed upon
>>2600116Newsflash retard, Israel is a jewish ethnostate, people from there have jewish names. It's exceedingly obvious when in the rest of his comment he's referring to Israel as "you". The gall to call me disingenuous when you're out here trying to pretend that it's actually russia's support that allows Israel to do its many crimes and not the USA. Kill yourself ziorat
>>2600119What does Joe Sims ever do?
>>2600116You are a nazi. Shut up, nazi.
>>2600127Why? Am I too anti zionist for you?
>>2600126Hey you don't need to be afraid of calling me jewish again. You were pretty proud of it before.
>>2600120I will lead you to this question again
>>2600112 I know this fact hurts you but you gotta keep it together. Or just call me jewish or a nazi again. Seems to work for this place.
>>2600128>Okay, but I will push against it and will point out how you're fine with blatant anti semitism on your side just saying. you don't have actual counter arguments against what I'm sayin so you're just calling me an "anti semite" because I reported a post which called you "Levi Moronstein" instead of giving it the time of day. Are you dense? Actually break down these posts:
>>2600089 >>2600075 >>2600097 >>2600123 and say why they are wrong
or fuck off. You have no counter arguments.
>lands in USApol
>deflects western responsibility in israeli genocide by chynah-ing and russiaing like a retard
>b-b-but he called me a jewish name
fuck off Mossad wrecker
>>2600130So it's okay to be anti semitic? Got it.
>>2600136About what?
>>2600138Just answer to me directly if you're that sad about the east being culpable as well
>>2600140Actually break down these posts:
>>2600089>>2600075>>2600097>>2600123and say why they are wrong or fuck off. You have no counter arguments. All you can do is escalate with the other anon who also has no arguments. Conveniently he allows you to repeatedly derail this conversation on his account. Ignore him since he has nothing to say and ADDRESS ME and my SUPERIOR MODE OF DISCUSSION.
>>2600139this has got to be bad faith at this point. Remember when Ilhan Omar won "anti semite of the year" in 2019, the same year there was a mass shooting at a synagogue? fuck off.
>>2600133I will keep it simple.
Yeah Russia has relations with Israel. Yes, China trades with Israel.
And we do not give a shit. Because we can recognise the primary partners of Israel (the west) from the peripheral ones (muh east). Because we know that Israel will continue its nazi experiment as long as it has the approval and support of the WEST. As long as this is true, Russia and China has our blessings to keep TRADING with Israel. People here are not children. They understand the realities of geopolitics. Israel would never commit aggression towards Iran and Hezbollah had it simply had the 'support' of China and Russia. Israel does it because big daddy America gives his blessings. America can go anti-zionist and all of this will change overnight. But it will not. You know it, I know it. So stop deflecting and go celebrate Hanukkah, Mr Cuckstein.
>>2600139No argument? Just gonna repeat what you said as if that'll magically make it true? Got it
I accept your concession to being a ziorat who should off himself, now do us all a favor and hurry up with it
>>2600137>>2600143You don't push against actual anti-semitism on your side. You don't respond to me directly but instead make up a strawman about my tactics because you are afraid of responding directly. You have ignored basically every article I have given to you to show you how Eastern nations are in fact very much happy to help out Pissrael when they can. I told you that this isn't solely about China but you desperately DESPERATELY want to make it about China.
>>2600145>Israel does it because big daddy America gives his blessings.Yes, and not just blessings, but direct intervention. since the USA
shot down iranian missiles to protect israel and
bombed iranian nuclear sites something
china and russia would never do their
normalized trade relations with israel notwithstanding >>2600139Further deflection into muh antisemitism. Cry about it russo-sinophobe. It's not 2021 anymore. We do not fall for these Hasbara 101 tricks anymore. You are a slut for Mossad and we will mercilessly strike you down. If calling you a few jewish names will make you bitch, SO BE IT.
>>2600147>You don't push against actual anti-semitism on your side.I already told you, you absolutely dishonest wrecker, that I reported the post which called you "Levi Moronstein" a post which gets 10x more attention from you then it warrants, and a post which gives you a convenientely endless excused to accuse me of "ignoring anti semitism" (I literally reported it) in bad fatih while ignoring my actual counter arguments to your completely nonsensical point that "the east" supports israel more than "the west"
>>2600146You called me Levi Moronstein. What argument is there to be made except that you hate jews? You could have just called me a fed or a glowie but really needed to hammer home that I'm supposed to be a jewish moron. Kill yourself.
>>2600149>>2600151Here since you keep forgetting
>>2600112 about Russia's special relationship with Pissrael
>>2600153I do not know any jew named Moronstein. I think you are just malding.
>>2600153>Lemme repeat it a third time!!yawn, this is getting boring now anon
>You called meIm the guy who called you a retard for not understanding that anon was calling you israeli dummy
>>2600156Seems like you don't know any jews at all by the way you're fine with anti semitism
>>2600153you keep focusing on the anon who called you levi moronstein because you have no counter arguments to these superior posts:
>>2600089 >>2600075 >>2600097 >>2600123 and each time I redirect you to them, you just cry that I didn't "denounce" the anon who called you levi moronstein even though I reported him. so it seems to me you have no real interest in a discussion. you are just here to derail. I will begin reporting you as well unless you actually break down why I am wrong here:
>>2600089 >>2600075 >>2600097 >>2600123 >>2600157He didn't call me an israeli. I keep telling you three times what he actually called me because you want invent a new reality here
>>2600158a genocide is happening and you are crying because an anon (not me) was rude to you on an imageboard for your absolutely disgusting tendency to lay the bulk of the responsibility for that genocide at feet other than Israel and the USA.
I often called anti-Assadists 'Abu Bakr', implying they are Sunni jihadists. Conversations would get heated but not once they would start crying about 'islamophobia'. But here is our Galilean snowflake losing composure and forgetting his Russo-sinophobic deflection, upon being called his real Israeli name.
How is Bondi beach? Had a nice Hanukkah there? Im thinking going there for my next vacations. Can you tell your chinese comrades to fund my travel? Tell 'em I'm a yahood too. I heard they like our tribe a lot, with all the trade and what not.
>>2600162Did Dylan Roof even flee?
>>2600161Here since you're moving the goalposts again
>>2600082 and
>>2600112. You're still free to debunk these articles and points made but something tells me you're just not gonna do it and calling someone jewish as a slur is okay.
>>2600153>>2600155The nazi keeps posting. Mods sleepin.
>>2600166Noticing again how you didn't respond to what was said here
>>2600163you are the one trying to invent a reality where 'the east' is Israeli's chum, completely whitewashing the ghoulish West's blood soaked elbows.
>>2600162It basically proved that you can do a luigi and not get caught in modern day america.
A lot of AI CEOs and investors walk around the streets.
>>2600173Mods do not give a fuck as long as you do not attack lolis. The moment you do this, they smite you within milliseconds.
>>2600162Felix did it. Feds are not pursuing him as Leftypol convinced them that Felix is a bitch who will never act. We provided the best cover for Comrade Felix.
We work best as a team. We just need to execute that zionist traitor in our ranks and we will reach the stars.
>>2600177Those datacenters ought to spontaneously explode. No, I give zero shits about the workers inside either.
>>2600171those aren't debunks of the point I actually made, but debunks of the point you imagine I was making, because you are an illiterate and/or operating in bad faith.
Instead of spamming links, quote each assertion I made and tell me why I am wrong. You are incapable of doing this, so you cry about how I am allegedly in league with some other dumbass anon I have reported, and you pretend that you have somehow won because I "do not deny" (???) the truth that China and Russia have trade relations with Israel. Again, that is not the goalpost.
The goalpost is for you to prove how that means they are "best" friends with Israel when it is the USA who sells more weapons to Israel than all other countries combined while also providing logistical, strategic, intelligence, and combat support, including going so far as to shoot down iranian missiles and attack Iranian nuclear sites on Israel's behalf.The clock is ticking. You are trying my patience, deflective one.
>>2600163<Levi Moronstein. You exist, you expand, you murder, you rape because of America's unconditional support.<They could all put embargos on Israel today and your buddies in America and Western Europe would sort you out in a heartbeatNow, do you think the "You" here refers to Moronstein as a jewish person or an israeli person? If he was just jewish then why the talk of embargos on Israel and "america's unconditional support"?
Sound to me like it's you trying to invent things here anon
>>2600183just call him Rabbi and be done with it
this is one of the rare cases where 4chan retards actually got it right (by accident of course). WIth zionists, trying to argue in good faith is just a sign of weakness. Drown the ziorat in vitriol. Racist vitriol if need be. Poke the Lion, get your ass mauled.
(Reactionary) We don't need to blow up AI. China will do that for us.
>>2600186ignore the entire moronstein sub-conversation he is desperately hanging onto. it's all a deflection from the fact that he has no counter arguments against:
>>2600089 >>2600075 >>2600097 >>2600123 >>2600186Sandi-anon has just left the Rio de Janeiro Airport. Soon, he will impale your Israeli anus on an antenna of a weather radar. Our patience has limits, Moshe.
>>2600175>N-No uI already told you to not have to be anti semitic to try and insult me. If you got a problem with me calling you out for that, I don't really care.
>>2600183You haven't made points and made up a strawman about my tactics like I told you before. You didn't want to respond to me, you hope I don't give a fuck about what the west does like anyone coping here whenever the east gets mentioned , you haven't debunked how the east is willing to help Pissrael in the genocide of Palestinians. That is it.
>>2600186You are anti semitic. Not the zionist halucination of one. Just the standard anti semitism where you imagine bad people to be jewish. Kill yourself. That is my final answer to you.
>>2600161It's wild you reported that guy for calling this baiting retard moronstein, but are only now considering reporting him anon
>tries low-level hasbara
>gets called Moronstein
>ANTISEMITISMMMMMMMMMM
you'd think after 3 years of Gaza genocide, they'd refine their tactics a bit…
truly, the devil is not as terrible as he is painted
>critique western imperialism
<b-but what about China/Russia
Every. Fucking. Time.
>>2600194It do be like that in usapol
in a way, they deserve the ziorats
they'd rather report an antizio comrade than the actual zioretard
>>2600162Call me paranoid but I have a suspicion they knew exactly who did it and are letting them off the hook either because it was "one of their own" or because the shooter only killed "degenerate college leftists" which most MAGAtards think should be summarily executed anyways
>>2600192Listen to yourself here. You are so angry about the east being in any way mentioned being culpable for the genocide of palestinians that you imagine me being killed by people and agreeing with a person who thinks calling someone a rabbi as an insult is okay.
>>2600194and I guarantee you the mods will ban me for the moronstein comment but the ziorat will be allowed to further poison the (eastern) well
>>2600195>>2600196I know you're angry and stuff but just reply directly instead of hoping your bros will call me a rabbi to shut me up
>>2600192when it comes to zionists, I prefer to explain with a bayonet
>>2600203>reply directlyI have insulted your Sinophobic ass many times already
>>2600205So why are you so afraid then? Did the Israel being made of 20% russians get to you so much or did you give up on calling me a russiaphobe for this mentioning this?
>>2600202
Felix, we need your corrosive ass-eating persistence to smite the zionist here
get to work and forget about your lover CPUSAnon for 5 minutes please
>>2600189I just think it's funny that even his retarded deflection has no basis, in an extremely obvious way. He's never going to address those points, but he can't even address his own point lol
>>2600190Mashallah we won't have to wait long, but I think you replied to the wrong post friend
>>2600193>Literally no retort just you are antisemiticlmfaooooo, they're not sending their best
>>2600203>>2600199You are a nazi hiding behind some irrelevant slur.
>>2600170I thought he did and there was this thing about the cops pulling up on his car and arresting him without issue.
>>2600177I think when it comes to CEOs they'd pull out all the stops to rescue them.
>>2600198Ehhh I generally assume ignorance over malice.
>>2600199>Listen to yourself here. You are so angry about the east being in any way mentioned being culpable for the genocide of palestinians I have already said, several times in this "conversation" that "the east" has normalized trade relations with Israel (as does most of the world) which is a form of complicity. What I argue against specifically is your bad faith assertion that this makes quote "the east" quote "best friends" with israel, and I cite as a counter argument the specific form that the US's support takes, which objectively, by all relevant metrics, dwarfs the support of all other countries. You have not counter argument to this, so you misconstrue what I am saying on purpose, despite me patiently refreshing your memory over and over. This is why I say that in real life I would simply punch you, but since this is a purely ideological space, and I do not have the means to punch you, I will settle for educating the audience of lurkers (since I cannot educate you), even though the other anon insists I should stoop to 4klanner rhetoric. Does that make sense to you? It probably does, but you cannot admit it. Why? I do not know. I educate despite your density.
>you imagine me being killed by people I said you would be punched for your completely bad faith argumentation, as you repeatedly demonstrate even now. That does not mean "killed." I mean it would be completely in line to give you a bloody nose since your entire mode of operation here is to derail.
>>2599991>Meanwhile we're still having endless arguments about which hobbies are legitimate and which are treatsIt wouldn't be shocking if the rapid spread of the Treats/Treatlerism discourse online turned out to be a glowop to help strangle any potential socialist movement in the womb via sowing infighting and making American communists look like unhinged retards.
>>2600208im afraid? you are the one crying about antisemitism here
the Russian thing has been addressed a dozen times already by different people and you ignore them, you prefer to cry about your beautiful name, Moronstein
>>2600215i mean it's completely obvious. we have a few glow ops constantly cycling. right now we have a guy crying about how the east supports israel more than the west, and he ignores all counter arguments and instead cries about the antisemitism of the one anon who called him a yiddish surname, how convenient.
>>2600208so what if 20% of Israelis come from Russia? 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs (Palestinians). Does that make Arabs the primary supporters of zionism? In the times of the USSR, the Soviet Jews could not freely move to Israel. Who moved heavens and earth to make their Aaliyah possible? Congolese? Sudanese? No. It was the USA.
>>2600210>lmfaooooo, they're not sending their bestOh my bad. Calling someone jewish as a slur is not anti semitic in any way or form
>>2600211Didn't know being against Pissrael is being a nazi but leftypol keeps inventing new realities today
>>2600214>What I argue against specifically is your bad faith assertion that this makes quote "the east" quote "best friends" with israel,And I told you multiple times that you are dumb for focusing so much on my harsh speech instead of the point which you seem to agree with but can't get your head around because I called them best instead of only very very good friends. I won't mince words for anyone helping a genocide no matter how much you like them. Is it because I didn't call for the genocide of Americans? I really had enough "discussions" on this board about what should happen to bothsiding liberals? Would it sooth your soul if I told you that I already agree that Germany shouldn't exist for its long list of crimes against humanity?
>>2600215If you want anything remotely resembling a serious discussion without bad faith shitflinging then you really should just come to the Matrix server. There's no point in trying here
>>2600221>Lemme ignore what you said and cry about being called moronstein for the 10th timeWill you ever actually address anything anon?
>>2600222doesn't that require email or phone number
>>2600216Yeah you seem pretty afraid judging by how you avoid responding to me because you were anti semitic ngl
>>2600223I adressed it. You don't wanna accept it. If you have such an issue with me calling out your anti semitism then take it with the mods. Maybe they will agree with you that it's cool.
>>2600224I think so, but it's a small price to pay for not having to deal with endless back and forth between people either virtue signaling about who's more anti-zionist than the other or who's less of a "trealterite" than the other, taking things to ludicrous extremes as if this were a playground.
>>2600221> Is it because I didn't call for the genocide of Americans?i didn't even say that dude.
Remember, here's why I actually said:
<"Best friends" is the USA and Israel, since the US sells more weapons to Israel than all other countries combined, and also provides strategic support and intelligence to Israel. "The East" also has a problematic relationship with Israel, which I do not deny, my point is that it is nowhere near the level of what the USA is doing and I level my criticisms primarily at the USA since I live in the USA and have more power to change things here and I'm always being told on here that I'm "complicit." Ever think of that?Everything you say is completely bad faith. For the 10,000th time, fuck off. You brought up "the east" in /usapol/ and then got mad when my analysis turned to comparing the off topic countries with the on topic country, on the question is israel, since that is the only way to make your bad faith assertion relevant and on topic. Then you have the audacity to complain about how my analysis "did not deny" the truth that other countries are also complicit, just not as complicit. Make sense yet? No? We can try 10 more times if you like.
>>2600218Moronstein is neither Yiddish nor Hebrew.
He is crying antisemitism only because he cannot defend his original point which deflected western responsibility on the 'East' for the crimes of Zionism.
He now wants everyone to console him and denounce the Moronstein-poster as antisemite, because that is clearly the main issue here. The main issue is that his feelings were hurt, not his Zionist apologia.
A strange conversation.
The only winning argument is not to get involved.
>>2600222>There's no point in trying hereI'm not just talking just about on here, I'm talking about it polluting socialist spaces all over the internet in general. There is nothing natural about how fast it spread over the last year or so.
>>2600229>Everything you say is completely bad faith.And again. You're focusing on harsh language instead of the point halucinating that I disagree that the Pissrael currently isn't a US (and UK) project because your feeling have been hurt for calling out the east
>>2600230So calling someone Levi Moronstein has nothing to do with jews and he just made up a random name on the spot? Who are you trying to convince here?
>>2600208Maybe there would 20% israeli germans if your nazi buddies did not exterminate all of them.
The Pale of the Settlement was in the Russian Empire. The USSR saved the eastern jews from total wipe-out. Of course that will result in a high percentage of russian jews. How is that a 'fault' of Russia? If anything, that makes the 'East' heroic.
Americas a nation that can be defined by a single word:
>>2600227You didn't address it, You literally just called me antisemitic without addressing anything I said lmfao. Actually kill yourself man
>>2600237>youre focussing on harsh languageSays the Nazi focussing on a made-up troll name
>>2600013Sure and plastic wampum as well
>>2600240asafusjijunifudisc
vote brad lander! the revolution will be voted in!!
>>2600235That's fair, I've noticed it especially badly on Reddit which is already usually hot garbage but has become exponentially worse ever since ACPtards overtook most of the socialism subreddits. It really seems the only way you can have a gathering of leftists without it immediately devolving into bad faith bullshit is to carefully vet everyone involved and meet them in person
>>2600239I'd be very happy if 0% zionists and nazis existed in Palestine. I know you LOVE russians stealing and dealing with palestinian homes but I have no tolerance for anyone taking Palestinian homes and futures
>>2600244Why so vague? Don't you wanna call me Levi Moronstein again my friend to show how you're totally not anti semitic my BEST friend?
>>2599971I buy it, people like alex jones have been doing this shit since the 90s. Take a legitimate conspiracy and then twist the perpetrators into the victims and the victims into the cause
>>2600221ou xan be against Israel and be a nazi, nazi
>>2600250Someone truly has to nuke Tel Aviv someday. Such levels of disingenuity has never been seen before. This constant switcheroo between 'jew' and 'zionist' depending on whay benefits your russophobic narrative is something else.
>>2600242I adressed it right here
>>2600221 Feel free to respond to it at any time!
>>2600254first rob reiner, now her.
das burgerkrieg
Your periodic reminder that Jews aren't Semites so the charge of "antisemitism" for calling out Zionist bullshit is categorically false. The term itself was invented by a European Zionist sometime in the 1880's specifically to stifle any criticism of Zionism and western imperialism in general
>>2600256You're not against nazis and not against israel so that makes you a mega nazi wow
>>2600257But what would happen to your BEST friends and totally victims who are russian in Pissrael? You would lose your zionist allies who did nothing wrong except search for a place calling it their home innocently!
>>2600258That's you restating that he called you jewish again, when I already argued that he was calling you israeli and provided examples of how that is. Will you ever address that I wonder, or will you just keep repeating the same thing over and over again like some kind of mantra?
>>2600264Now you are trying to turn me into the defender of Russian Israelis.
But Im curious, why make the distinction between Russian and non-Russian israelis to begin with? Surely an antizionist would oppose zionists as a whole? Why does it matter if they are Russian, French or Ethiopian?
>>2600237>And again. You're focusing on harsh language instead of the pointmy sibling in science, every post I make directly refutes the point while you repeatedly deflect my refutations to focus on the fact that someone else called you "moronstein"…. are we living in the same universe? did you teleport here from another universe where this didn't happen?
>>2600266The medal is actually not new. It's a renamed replica of a medal given out in 1918 for troopers who held the border whilst America
invaded had an exhibition into Mexico to fight Poncho Villa.
>>2600266some might call them… participation trophies?
>israel and the east are best friends
<actually israel and the USA are best friends and here's why
>grrrrrrrr you do not deny the truth that other countries also trade with israel
<why would i deny that, it's just not the same as israel being "best friends" with the east
>ggrrrrrrrrrrrr you aren't doing enough to combat the antisemitism of the other anon who called me moronstein
<i reported him, now refute my points
>grrrrrrrrr i can't refute your points so I'll make up some shit you didn't say and pretend you are in league with the other guy
great "conversation" dude
>>2600268>>2600272There is no verbal conclusion when up against Hasbara. A bayonet up the zionist's arse is the only answer. It is not pretty. It is gruesome. But such is the zionist animal, what can you do…
One can only hope that one day leftypol will be blessed with mods who permaban such derailers and wreckers on sight…
>>2600042Germanic tribes like the Goths and Vandals were settler colonialist though. That predates capitalism over a thousand years.
>>2600279The Goths were actually refugees.
>>2600247Shut up you fucking TWist fed!
>>2600279Are all Tor users retards?
>>2600278I know chagos poster, I just think it's funny how the ziorat squirms
>>2600270Did you see the exchange this morning when Felix was calling Chagos an Uncle Tom and a race traitor?
>>2600287the spectacle must go on
>>2600249>ACPtardsYou know, it's really baffling how much crossover there is between the ACP/MAGAComs and TWist/"Americans are all treatlerites" crowd.
>>2600287wow that is real
>>2600281They started as refugees. Over many years they eventually directly conquered the lands and settled them.
>>2600283Why am I wrong?
>>2600289MAGAcom is deader than a dodo. It has managed to be even more irrelevant than CPUSA. We should just forget about it.
MAGAcom was never "alive" to begin with.
>>2600290>>2600295Yeah see I never know if it's really Felix. His "shadows" are indistinguishable from the dumbest motherfuckers on this site
>>2600293>>2600293The way the words 'settler colonialists' are used is not the same as every tribe who moved (and killed and raped) and settled somewhere in history.
You can insist that it is the same but that would absolve all colonisers of the 18th and 19th century of all wrongdoings.
what if we kissed at the patriot front compound
>>2600289How is that baffling? It's because of their shared global political alignment, considering TWist is just a new way to say tankie or campist or whatever.
ACP are very against american's are treatlers discourse tho, that's where they differ
>>2600302worse, magasocdem.
American Kautskyism.
>>2600302that's right bay bee. we're heckin voting in the revolution
>>2600301Are they? I figured their principled anti imperialist stance would approve, that's the only reason I support that party
>>2600308Out of all the crackpot rightoid groups at least the leader of this one dresses nice
>>2600311Eh he's a bit fruity looking
>>2600313uygha you dead you ARE a bookshelf.
>>2600145>And we do not give a shit. Because we can recognise the primary partners of Israel (the west) from the peripheral ones (muh east). Israel's primary arms suppliers are in the West but their primary arms export destinations are in the east. Not China though. India is by far the biggest followed by Azerbaijan, the Philippines and Vietnam. The war that's going on now between Thailand and Cambodia has a lot of Israeli weapons on the Thai side.
Darkly comic that defense trade shows in Vietnam will have booths from both Israeli and Iranian companies #awkward
>>2600309Okay I laughed
>>2600314That's why he'd have been better off being left wing. Then he could dress in his fruity cockaded way without being seen as a closeted gay, which he likely is.
>>2600316To be fair Vietnam has shut off a lot of its relations with Israel.
>>2600310Dude the whole reason they were controversial in the first place was because they were "patsocs" who thought vulgar anti-americanism was counterproductive to building a working class movement in the US, of course they're against treatler discourse. I always think it's funny when I see houdini or cpusanon hating on them, when they basically share the same view on this fundamentally
>>2600298>The way the words 'settler colonialists' are used is not the same as every tribe who moved (and killed and raped) and settled somewhere in history. Why not? It's the same behavior and shows it's independent of and predates capitalism. Understanding that gives additional historical context. Last thread you agreed that colonialism is not what started capitalism, colonialism just supercharged capitalism. Using the same reasoning shows settler colonialism didn't emerge from capitalism either but capitalism did supercharge settler colonialism in turn.
>but that would absolve all colonisers of the 18th and 19th century of all wrongdoings.If a murderer correctly points out that other people have been committing murder for thousands of years it doesn't automatically absolve him of the crime. It can be rhetorically used to lessen the impact but that's not the same thing
>>2600316Yeah and India can stop buying weapons from Israel today and Israel will continue its death mission.
If America and Europe ditch Israel, however, it is game oover for the Ziorats.
That's the whole point.
It is useless to talk about Israeli import/export with Kazakhstan or Madagascar. Same as with Apartheid South Africa, Mauritius used to buy all of its fruits from there. But none of the African States gave a shit. They knew it is trade with the west which mattered. And indeed, once the west put sanctions on Apartheid SA, it collapsed in less than 10 years (together with the armed struggle of Umkhonto weSizwe)
>>2600289as a third worlder I consider the ACP the lesser evil compared to the DSA since ACP doesnt do democratic party entryism
as long as the american empire affects the politics of my country and the rest of the world I will shit on the DSSA, Ziohran and Cracker Platner here daily to make their shills seethe
dont like it? do better
if the DSA and CPUSA uncuck themselves from the genocidal uniparty I will start shilling for them
>>2600320That's not why they were "controversial", opposition to vulgar anti-americanism is fine, the big issue with them is that they're a socially conservative party masquerading as a communist party which passes off "ethical landlords" and rhetoric about "LGBT imperialism" as communism which they redefine to mean "a government that supports farmers and small businesses". It's tailor made to be a contradictory mess
I don't get the controversy here. The DSA is a loose organisation, it has no centralised leadership. The ACPs leader is an annoying streamer.
>>2600327Because it's fun to be contrarian and LARP about all the reactionaries you're totally going to kill while you waste your time posting on a dying website, and you cant do that if you dont call Zohran Mamdani a Zionist for uh…not cheering on a mass shooting. That's boring shit and that doesn't earn you clout with the hoes.
>>2600329No its just the lingering residue from exposure to /pol/. What is the cure for such behaviour? Beatings.
Wait. There was going to be a Trump Tower built in Serbia, or all places? And it's cancelled?
>JUST IN: Donald Trump says he will address the nation at 9 PM ET on December 17
Is something funny going to happen?
>>2600308nick beard and the cum socks.
>>2600340I don't like the booger strand in his nostril
>>2600322
>The ACP actually flanks the CPUSA to the left by a considerable amount, the only issue in which the CPUSA is to the left of ACP is identity politics.
look, criticize CPUSA as imperialist treatlerites all you want but this comparison is delusional. hit me up when joe sims encourages landlords to join the CPUSA like haz did, or when joe sims says "communists don't oppose private property" like hinkle did… those are not idpol issues!
>>2600323>Yeah and India can stop buying weapons from Israel today and Israel will continue its death mission. That's true.
>If America and Europe ditch Israel, however, it is game oover for the Ziorats. It'd be bad for them but I'm not sure it'd be game over. Think non-Western governments are more opportunistic than they're sometimes portrayed and this whole multipolar thing is that interests and $$$ matter more than ideology anyways. Being a campist in this kind of world is oxymoronic.
>>2600335He's going to announce he sees no way to salvage the empire anymore and is going to nuke the entire world
>>2600339Do they even claim to not be influenced by Nazism anymore? I thought all ambiguity regarding that fell away when they starting fetting up Neo Nazi Active Clubs
>>2600345I don't know, dude. This is neo-fascism we're talking about. Intellectualism within the fascist movement is long gone.
>>2600348Was intellectualism ever a thing within the fascist movement? I mean I've tried reading Savitri Devi for shits and giggles and she comes off as some unhinged feels over reals bitch who pretends those feels ARE reals and that reals which disagree with her are feels
>>2600335Is he going to announce a ground invasion of Venezuela?
>>2600349
>a different conversation
ok.
>>2600287>>2600292>>2600350unimportant to care about
>>2600352>a ground invasion of Venezuela?see
>>2596060 >>2600353
The bit about animal rights is particularly hilarious because her argument basically amounts to "libtards say that war crimes are bad, but how can there be such a thing as war crimes when we have factory farming?" She's got all sorts of hilarious takes and frankly it's amazing she's not a popular meme character for hoi4 mods
>>2600324would there be any more effective way to cripple the American empire than by removing the incentives people have to join the military? giving everyone free college and healthcare would do more than burning down a hundred army recruiting stations (which American “communists” are too pussy to do anyways)
>>2600322I know, it's why I don't have much of a problem with them. I do think it's idiotic for how much they talk about being anti-idpol all the time, they are almost more obsessed with it than anyone else.
>>2600326>That's not why they were "controversial", opposition to vulgar anti-americanism is fineThey were called chauvinists for it lol, it was a big issue at the time. The sexism and homophobia stuff was overlooked mostly as anti-idpol, though of course plenty of people still disagreed with that.
>the big issue with them is that they're a socially conservative partyEhh I find this to be a bit of an exaggeration, while Haz and Hinkle have said plenty of socially conservative things, I don't think the party has any such official positions, as far as im aware.
>passes off "ethical landlords" That was pretty funny and a good meme, but it's not like it's a bunch of landlords in that party. It was just Haz brainstorming funding ideas in a stream or something.
>rhetoric about "LGBT imperialism"Do you deny the concept of pinkwashing? I personally don't think it is entirely unreasonable to accuse the west of using movements like LGBT for their imperialism. With palestine you often hear about how gay people are thrown off of roofs, which isn't even true, as justification for mass imperialist slaughter. That's not even going into the western NGOs and shit like that.
>as communism which they redefine to mean "a government that supports farmers and small businesses"I don't think that's what they define it as, but they are rather dengist-esque I suppose. You know, they're not like: we're gonna tear it all down, but rather: we're gonna be like china in a way.
Anyway, the point is that these controversies all became more prominent later, as the ACP grew. Originally Haz and his associates were despised for being patsocs. I mean, it's where the whole magacom thing comes from, the main thing they were known for for the longest time, arguably still
>>2600353
correlation isn't causation. i think the one of the most annoying things leftypol does is "look i found this fascist who likes animals! that means all vegans are fascists" and "look i found this obscure fascist who's gay! that means all gays are fascist!" like buddy who gives a shit. you're just doing idpol "the other way around"
>>2600361
bad faith, known troll, reported, stop wasting time.
>>2600335>announces new trump merch >announces new $1.7 billion investment >announces new tariffs its going to be something boring but i'm hoping its merch.
>>2600366
CPUSA and ACP are both dogshit, wow. who could have known. except you, me and everyone here.
>>2600367
not the goalpost. you derail conversation. reported.
>>2600372
I mean the chinese did it
>>2599991There is an even bigger and more powerful white supremacist group in Washington DC and you don't care about that one.
hinkle
>communists don't oppose private property
engels
<the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general.
pick 1
haz
>ethical landlords are allowed in the ACP
mao
<Our agrarian revolution has been a process in which the landlord class owning the land is transformed into a class that has lost its land
pick 1
>hurr durr u dickride cpusa is blah blah blah dickrider
we know cpusa is bad. you make it a race to the bottom by shilling another dogshit party. fuck off.
>>2600366
>>2600372
So then the only difference between the CPUSA and the APC is that the latter engages in right wing idpol?
>>2600376
not vegan or vegetarian retard. i just ate chicken. i think meat politics is irrelevant to class struggle. you are pretending otherwise by going "every time man" when you pointed out a vegetarian fascist. you're doing idpol. i'm shutting down the idpol. we are not the same. i would treat a vegan the same way if they tried to call all meat eaters fascists. it's retarded.
>>2600384
>You just want
you don't know want. stop having a one sided conversation with a person you made up in your head. joe sims can hang for all i care.
ᴉuᴉlossnW is like the non boring hitler
i don't care about hitler hitler is so boring his architectural style sucked nazi art was shit nazi ideology was so dry and bare bones all of hitlers inner circle were losers and utter retards, chicken farmers. morphine addicts and people who believed in telekinesis nobody cares
>>2600380No the main difference is that cpusa is coopted by democrats and acp is against duopoly, ostensibly. But yeah, they also engage in more idpol
>>2600372
Don't forget that since the CPUSA is counter-revolutionary this amounts to class collaboration. There is a term for that, it's called fascism. The CPUSA is a fascist party that wants to use imperialism as a tool to build up the American homeland for the American Volk. That is the same thing that Hitler did.
>>2600384
Why do you hate tge cpusa so much? Even they are reactionary like you sat they are only one group out of 1000s of reactionary groups in the country, why harbour this psycotic rage?
>>2600393Because CPUSA is protected from critique by the fascist mods.
>>2600286Nope! Been spending time with frens, peeked at the last thread though and watched Felix desperately try to turn the conversation from him funding cops and being afraid of breaking the law to me going to a private school.
>>2600396
Engels was referring to the material conditions of the time. Chicken is now a staple meat. It was not in the 1840s.
>>2600396
funny joke i guess
"I am quote fond of this Kentucky Fried business." - Friedrich Engels
>>2600392
> you have to prove to me you're not vegan
why
>>2600396
What if I eat yak? There's a Nepalese restaurant near me that specializes in yak, is that proletarian?
will the brown shooter get away?
>>2600395>cant risk breaking the law>sends death threats onlineI think he just needs to fund cops
>>2600286>Iron Felix lives rent free on everyone's brain.>to the point everyone is Iron Felix.classy.
3 piggies were killed in syria
>>2600320I agree I hate how they parade around the US flag but their overwhelming support for nations fighting against US imperialism can't be topped.
I have my problems with leadership but they too have mentioned how life will be harder for Americans under socialism. How people will have to actually work and there will be less treats
>>2600418I think they are wrong and our living standard will be better when we cut out parasitic billionaires wasteful imperial projects
im not against imperialism because its wasteful im against it because its harmful and mindless consumerism.
>>2600425>many christians support israel either for biblical reasons or because of traditional christian valueswhat is the difference between those?
>israel is a biblical countryda bibble mentions the modern nation state of israel
>>2600418Im fine with that on tactical grounds, y'know if you don't support imperialism then who cares what flag you fly? It's a tactic to sort of out american the american government, I get that, plus Im not american so I can't really say whether this is an effective strategy, but knowing how much ameroids love that flag, maybe.
Any comments on what america will be like under socialism are just speculation either way. Maybe before it will be really bad, then get better as socialism is constructed, that seems reasonable to me.
>>2600429>>2600434We've all seen these clips a thousand times, please contribute something new to the conversation
>>2600434CPUSA openly supports collaboration and alliance with the petty bourgeoisie so I fail to see a difference here.
>>2600436i only have to repost them every time you shill ACP. there's nothing "New" to contribute to the conversation. you don't contribute anything new either. you just ignore evidenceo of them being reactionary. if you still like them despite those clips, you are my enemy, simple. and no, it's not because you're more anti imperialist than me. you aren't.
>>2600438>they're both badi agree, now fuck off
>>2600442
I reject both
>misogynistic
that's not the only problem with the ACP, by a long shot
>Democrat gateway
that's not the only problem with CPUSA, by a longshot.
>>2600436>it's sarcasm<no it's not and here's proof>i know that it wasn't sarcasm, i was just lying. now i'm going to act smug about itrevealing
Poop suck
Is PSL the only serious communist party in the USA?
>inb4 sexo scandal
Don't care.
>>2600440Im not the anon you were talking to, I don't "shill" ACP. Im just annoyed at you always posting the same clips whenever it's brought up. At a certain point it just becomes a thought terminator man
>>2600445Hinkle saying some misogynistic shit is not proof that Haz wasn't being sarcastic in that quote
>>2600450i think in a previous thread it was complained that they are marcyites who paint rocks or something
>>2600450PSL seems the most serious yeah, in a way they are like a non clown version of ACP
>>2600455In my book marcyites are ex-retards (ex-trots)
What is this rock painting thing you mentioned?
>>2600453>I don't "shill" ACP. Im just annoyed at you always posting the same clips whenever it's brought up.because other anons were asserting, incorrectly, that the misogyny was "just sarcasm" on the one hand, and another anon was asserting that they are not reactionary at all when it comes to non-idpol issues, even though they take clearly revisionist economic positions on the side of private property, and not even in a peripheral context of national sovereignty, but in an imperial core country. you are not annoyed with the people shilling them, yet you are annoyed with me showing them in their own words? Why not just ignore it? Why do you argue with me only?
>>2600453>Hinkle saying some misogynistic shit is not proof that Haz wasn't being sarcastic in that quotethey are both founders and leaders in that party so it shoudl tell you something
>>2600461
Has the cpusa endorsed platner?
>>2600450Psl are grifters. Not serious. The serious one is the CPUSA and only hyper sectarian faggots obsess over denouncing them
>>2600351>Was intellectualism ever a thing within the fascist movement? I mean I've tried reading Savitri Devi for shits and giggles and she comes off as some unhinged feels over reals bitch who pretends those feels ARE reals and that reals which disagree with her are feelsEh, fascism is weird because it's hyper-idealistic like that. The whole attitude is not to think (let alone critically) but to believe, obey, and fight. It's like a narrow vision of duty, will, and idealism but that's something I can also see coming out of being immersed in way too much philosophy.
>>2600362>The sexism and homophobia stuff was overlooked mostly as anti-idpol, though of course plenty of people still disagreed with that … while Haz and Hinkle have said plenty of socially conservative things, I don't think the party has any such official positions, as far as im aware.I chatted with one of their members and he had this position that was like "we welcome everybody and allow differences of opinion" but if you advocate for LGBT rights then that's bad because ~democratic centralism~ but he didn't seem to care if people advocate the other way because that's actually anti-idpol so that's okay. That's a contradiction. But that's just what conservatives do.
>ith palestine you often hear about how gay people are thrown off of roofs, which isn't even true, as justification for mass imperialist slaughter. Yeah but Zionists say that to LGBT people who support Palestine. They say stuff like "it's crazy you support Palestine because they'll throw you off a roof, chickens for KFC lol." Then you'll see some pro-Palestine progressives say "well actually Israel doesn't have gay marriage" but why is any of this even relevant? If Israel did have gay marriage would that change anything?
>>2600464>The serious communist party is the one that endorses the DemocratsNot buyin it.
>>2600459Like I said, at a certain point I think it becomes a thought terminator. Jackson is obviously a moron, but his importance to the party is his clout (and his contacts/foreign sponsors), not his political theory. Obviously the ACP has deficiencies, but I'd rather discuss those in the context of their more dengistlike line on economics, which doesn't make sense if you haven't gone through revolution yet, than see the same clips of Hinkle being a retard I've seen a hundred times already, at least post some new material yknow that's all im asking
>>2600460That's fine, it tells you "something", but it doesn't mean haz wasn't being obviously sarcastic, probably in response to some chatter in his stream
>>2600466Just as a matter of tactics yeah. Just like every other communist party in the world prefers Dems over Republicans. You have Democrat derangement syndrome
>>2600469>every other communist party in the world prefers Dems over RepublicanGonna need a sauce on dat
>>2600468>Which doesn't make sense unless you've gone through revolutionIt isn't 1950 anymore. Nukes exist. You just assume we can civil war. Like you people completely gloss over that assumption like it's a given
>>2600468>Like I said, at a certain point I think it becomes a thought terminator. It's not a thought terminator since I'm using it to counter the same arguments I see over and over again. it is THEM who should stop shilling ACP. It wouldn't even be necessary to post clips of ACP being a bunch of reactionary clowns (and there are sometimes lurkers who haven't seen these clips before) if it didn't save me the work of refuting these clowns who shill them. You say you are not one of them, so be it, the why weigh in at all? just ignore me and my interlocutors.
>That's fine, it tells you "something", but it doesn't mean haz wasn't being obviously sarcastic, probably in response to some chatter in his streamif his misogyny is "just sarcasm" then why does he let actual misogynists into the leadership of the party he founded? or is it merely sarcasm when jackson does it to? oops i need to stop referencing that clip. it annoys you after all. not that you're here to shill ACP or anything. you just are weirdly annoyed with me revealing them in their own words and have nothing to say to the other anons who shill them in the first place. pah.
>>2600465>I chatted with one of their members and he had this position that was like "we welcome everybody and allow differences of opinion" but if you advocate for LGBT rights then that's bad because ~democratic centralism~ but he didn't seem to care if people advocate the other way because that's actually anti-idpol so that's okay. That's a contradiction. But that's just what conservatives do.I do think a lot of their members are homophobic and that their anti-idpol stance is itself basically idpol
>Yeah but Zionists say that to LGBT people who support Palestine. They say stuff like "it's crazy you support Palestine because they'll throw you off a roof, chickens for KFC lol." Then you'll see some pro-Palestine progressives say "well actually Israel doesn't have gay marriage" but why is any of this even relevant? If Israel did have gay marriage would that change anything?That's the main type of argument you see go down in comment sections and twitter sure, but the israeli pinkwashing "pro-lgbt" hasbara has been a long time thing, they do the same thing with veganism, feminism, even diversity shit in a form of ultimate irony
FBI Director Kash Patel appeared on a podcast by Katie Miller with his mistress Alexis Wilkins to discuss their relationship and dissuade rumors that Wilkins is a "Mossad honeypot".
Patel has been accused by whistleblower agents at the FBI of misusing tax payer funds to prioritize his new girlfriend over his job, the Charlie Kirk shooter still not being convicted 4 months out, and the hunt for the Brown University Shooter now on day 5.
Agents have alleged Patel's use of the FBI's agency plane to travel to Wilkins singing performances, assigning agency protection to her, and demanding that agents shuttle Wilkins' "intoxicated" friends home on numerous occasions.
Wilkins has also sued critics of hers for alleging she is a "Mossad honeypot", using the same law firm that Patel uses to launch the lawsuits, saying that the allegations "endanger her life".
Katie Miller, the podcast host, is former Communications Director and Press Secretary to former Vice President Mike Pence.
Miller herself, of course, is also Jewish.
>https://www.newsweek.com/kash-patels-podcast-with-girlfriend-during-brown-manhunt-sparks-fury-11218696>>2600474Katie miller is also Stephen miller wife btw
>>2600473> their anti-idpol stance is itself basically idpolnooooooooo you don't get it, bigotry is the real anti-idpol, and anti-bigotry is the real idpol. don't you get it? no? ha! you must be radlib!
>>2600473It was interesting because I was like "hey what's this about, I'm not a communist, just curious" and got a very different response compared to the leftists this guy was screaming at on the internet. It's like if you're a leftist you must submit to them and do what the Khan tells you, but if they don't think you are then the aggression goes way down.
It's just so blatantly obvious to me that internet communists over-conplicate things. If you want to be in an explicitly communist party, you join the CPUSA. If you have problems with them, you discuss it while you're there. If you're so disagreeable that you believe your ideas are fundamentally antithetical to the CPUSA somehow, then maybe you shouldn't be a leader in the first place.
If you want to have a lot more people to work with and want to be more involved in the zeitgeist and buzz as it currently is (but if a Renaissance happening in the American left right now, I would say it's pretty apparent if you're paying attention) then you go hang around the DSA.
It's that simple. All this other bullshit is debating how many angels could fit onto the head of a pin
>>2600478>TypoThere
is a Renaissance happening*
>>2600477that's because they're a bunch of reactionary wreckers who operate a fundamentally dishonest double standard where anti-bigotry is "idpol" but bigotry is "anti-idpol". Meanwhile they claim to be anti imperialist because they get a bunch of handshake meme photos with global south leaders, but they dont' actually call for revolutionary defeatism; ironically, haz repudiated revolutionary defeatism in an interview with fuentes because "it will get me arrested"… you mean arrested like Lenin and Stalin were?
do you denounce the bondi shooters
>>2600415>Chabad is a Zionist terrorist org BTWIs it? From what I read it's primarily a weird cult.
>>2600471How do you think socialism will come about in america anon? Should people just vote for democrats or what are you saying?
>>2600472Well I agree with them on a some political issues and I feel like as a party they seriously uphold those, I think it's impressive how they've managed to establish legitimacy for themselves as a political organization in a very short time from very little. So I don't mind people shilling them, unless they engage in the sort of idpol I think is the major flaw of that organization, that does not mean I'm here to "shill" for them, I still have my disagreements with them. You however I find tedious in your outrage about what amounts to personality shit and the same 4 or 5 clips from various livestreams or podcasts or whatever.
>if his misogyny is "just sarcasm" then why does he let actual misogynists into the leadership of the party he founded?Probably because his clout (and probably moreso his contacts/foreign sponsors) was foundational to establishing the ACP as a party and they don't care about the misogyny or consider it to be just some banter. Like does the ACP have some program where they proclaim that women will be housewives or vote under their husband or something? Im not trying to defend Hinkle's comments here btw, what Im asking is how are those comments actually reflected in the party as an institution?
>>2600489the revolution will be voted in you tankie TWist
>>2600476Ehh I don't think it's so bad, it's a mixed bag from what I can tell. It's tough because on the one hand I agree that idpol is probably bad and on the other hand, you can't really enforce an anti-idpol regime without running into this problem
>>2600477That's pretty funny, I like that lol. I'm imagining anti-idpol struggle sessions
So apparently it came out to little news recently that Peter Thiel quietly called up J.D. Vance and told him to ignore Pope Leo because "The Pope could be the Antichrist".
Y'know one of the most bizarre things I've seen recently is just the confidence in which Americans are asserting their own religion. I don't even consider it Christianity past a point because it seems so distinctly American. Like the Pope made some generic post about how we should work to end poverty and some lady responded that it isn't biblical 'cause "Jesus said the poor will always be with us." Now you've got an openly gay billionaire telling an ostensibly Catholic politician "Oh ignore the Pope, he may be the antichrist." It's fucking crazy, like where does this fucking unearned sense of theological authority come from? The dude would've had to flagellate for being gay centuries ago and here he is saying "Actually the Pope is an agent of Satan so you Catholics should ignore him and listen to me instead."
I'm starting to think we might actually see America make a fucking Anti-Pope.
>>2600469>>2600470We communicate with other Communist Parties and in my opinion if we've had any consistent fault going back to the cold war it was that we'd be way too willing to give foreign communist states (historically the USSR) total control over aspects of our domestic line, generally in regards to foreign policy.
That aside there's been a historical trend of democrats being "softer" on foreign policy that gets kind of dismissed out of hand in these discussions. Bill Clinton, for example, was pursuing diplomacy with Kim Jong Il that was geared around sanctions relief in exchange for denuclearization.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/korea/2020-06-16/new-evidence-clinton-negotiations-north-korea
>Occurring two decades ago and earlier, the negotiations discussed in these documents, along with those released in an earlier posting from December 2017 hoped to eliminate the threat posed by North Korea to security and stability on the peninsula and in the wider region. The historical context for these documents is discussed in the 2017 posting’s essay. As that essay notes, the promise of the Clinton era’s diplomacy would prove to be unfulfilled. Congressional suspicions about the administration’s North Korea policies would soon be mirrored by the George W. Bush administration’s shift to a more confrontational approach, which found justification in the 2002 discovery that North Korea had resumed its nuclear weapons program in violation of the 1994 agreement.Obama eased sanctions on Cuba and of course cut the Iran Nuclear deal. LBJ was negotiating for an end to the Vietnam War (yes I know, far too late) while Nixon openly sabotaged it. This isn't to say Democrats are doves or internationalists, but their approach to foreign policy has generally been less psychotically confrontational than the Republicans.
Funny enough the other day I saw some post that caused a bunch of nonsense arguing online about the nature of "White Leftists" and one example that stood out to me was a Black guy saying he used to have a roommate that was a young white guy and self-professed "Marxist Leninist" that would go on and on about how "both parties are exactly the same" and would "ironically" say he supports republicans because its "funny". And the dude remarked that "Okay, maybe to you they seem exactly the same because your life wont change much if a Republican wins, but to me it feels like a Republican victory could put me in danger."
And y'know in some regard I think the CPUSA's line actually keeps that mentality in mind. I've seen plenty of people online who'll say "both parties are the same" but I've had Hispanic coworkers in person tell me they're scared that if they go to pick their kid up from school one day they might get disappeared. And saying "Well who fucking cares, they're the same party anyways?" To those people seems completely dismissive of them.
>>2600495>Peter Thiel quietly called up J.D. Vance and told him to ignore Pope Leo because "The Pope could be the Antichrist".Peter Thiel is like a budget version of Allen Dulles I guess
>>2600489I mean his contacts are also suspuct he is friends with tulsi, gabbard. Imagine the white hot super nova of rage that would emerge if felix saw the cpusa leader have ascociations with the director of national intellegence
>>2600499He knew her before she was DNI, but yes that is of course very damning. All in all hinkle screams russian asset to me tho, I mean he's currently living in moscow like
>>2600492What this roghtoid garbage,im off to watch nick fuentes
>>2600495an American pope vs an American anti-pope would be highly entertaining I hope it happens
>>2600489There are many ways. The most likely of them will need to be novel contemporary systheses fit to the landscape inherited.
Internationally recognized sovereign parallel communist institutions (which requires democratic processes aka voting) that gain enough power (political will and mass support) to eventually replace the current constitution. We must simultaneously grease the wheels of the capitalist machine therefore advancing it's development and inevitable obsolescence by attacking the monopolistic and imperialist cartel apparatuses that hobble free trade.
By utilizing the liberal capitalist system against itself, the super structural formations will become sclerotic and unfit to interface with the real economy itself, thereby necessitating it's replacement. In a sense, yeah you can have mass support that partially entails voting. At some point you reach a critical mass of support that the once hegemonic but outdated superstructural apparatus cannot possibly maintain its position.
There will of course still be armed skirmishes and years of lead (lard) as well as some possible militant guerilla groups (like Colombia) but those are actually secondary to the need to simultaneously partake in legitimized democratic legalist institutional processes. Again look at Colombia: their current president was a literal armed communist fighting paramilitary forces to wear down power without having to fully overthrow the nominal government.
You can call this incrementalism or reformism all you want, but these oversimplified derogatory accusational phrases treated as "sins" completely misses the point that you must apply dialectics to tactics if you ever plan on winning
>>2600495>It's fucking crazy, like where does this fucking unearned sense of theological authority come from? America has always been a hotbed of lay preachers talking out of their ass. The Protestant impulse against rigid church authority and towards a kind of religious democracy is admirable, but clearly there can be some negative effects when it's taken to an absurd degree.
>>2600481>ironically, haz repudiated revolutionary defeatism in an interview with fuentes because "it will get me arrested"… you mean arrested like Lenin and Stalin were?>>2600494>That's pretty funny, I like that lol. I'm imagining anti-idpol struggle sessionsThe guy I was talking to also had a weird authority principle. I was like "idgi, these leftists don't seem to be reacting well to your argument… why not let people have different ideas I'm just an innocent normie…" and he was like they must obey authority and the ACP somehow represents that among communists. And I was like why's that. He replied, everyone has an authority, for example you must obey the laws of your state for example and it's
unjustified to disobey. Okay, that is a normative claim. In reality you have to obey authority because it possesses coercive power and will make you do what they say (which these guys don't possess), so I asked him a hypothetical about what would happen if the U.S. government conscripted me (which they have the legal authority to do) and sent me off to war, would it be right if I disobeyed the government because I had an ethical disagreement, and he stopped replying.
Stay away from Heidegger, man.
>>2600508> our oil> in venezuelaHow did get there?
Did venezuelans trick our oil into migrating there?
>>2600418“Russians are benefitting from imperialism, Lenin is le colonizer because he’s telling these workers that they can improve their lives by overthrowing their boss instead of berating themselves for being on land their great-great-great-grandfathers stole from the Karelians or being richer than people in China/India/Africa.”
-you 110 years ago
>>2600502>Thinking 1903 theory in a feudal society applies to a 2025 liberal capitalist society with entirely different material conditionsLenin is important, but so is every other communist theorists who has contributed since him. And besides, people like you always oversimplify his lessons anyways. He was wrong about many things, and other AES countries in the world improved on his concepts to their own ends.
>>2600513ur so right. modern usa is
just like the russian empire. trook spook
what if lenin was gay? i think he was gay for martov
>>2600511>Heidegger,<Death like gives life meaning and stuffWow! I must obey the ACP now.
>>2600512How dare you undermine the lived experience and agency of ExxonMobil Corp and Shell plc?
>>2600508It's going to be amazing when Russia and Iran start 'sanctioning' American oil tankers and seizing them, too.
>>2600508the world has ended. eternal retarded USA tyranny. we all shoulda gotten nukes. oh well
>>2600521they won't do that because they like money and can't beat the USA militarily
>>2600509That's all well and good and of course democratic processes will take place, as they do in all social revolutions but
>At some point you reach a critical mass of support that the once hegemonic but outdated superstructural apparatus cannot possibly maintain its position.When this happens I really don't think the previous apparatus will just hand over the levels to power with little more than a few skirmishes and paramilitary groups, that seems like a very optimistic proposition to me
>>2600524Iran sized multiple oil tankers in the past, though.
>>2600524>>2600521They won't do that because it is not in the interest of multipolarity bros to be seen as unstable and unreliant as the dying burger reich is.
>>2600531yeah but that was before. remember how they cucked to the USA on their nuclear program? iran is done. history has ended.
>>2600515>and other AES countries in the world improved on his concepts to their own ends.Yeah I liked when Khrushchev improved Lenin and approved democratic socialist projects that obviously were going to fail and ended up in thousands of Communists getting killed.
>Thinking 1903 theory in a feudal society applies to a 2025 liberal capitalist societyMarx is even older and his context was also way different from current USA (which is neoliberal not liberal so he didnt even have it in mind unlike feudalism) so I guess we shouldnt even bother with that unc.
>>2600534Idk what planet you are from but history just started on mine with China taking over.
>>2600526The point is that those outdated liberal imperialist forms become deeply impotent and malformed where they can no longer
interface with the tools of oppression. Socialism is
necessary under a developed enough material productive base/economic form (in the Marxist sense diametric to superstructure). They won't "hand it over" but their "opposition" would be flaccid at best
>>2600532
>Maki party
Isn't that an anti-zionist party? I mean I guess they're in israel and they're kinda two stater, so they're zionist in that sense
>>2600537the prc has no ambitions beyond taking their place in the coming multipolar global economic order of mostly fascist and ultra liberal countries!
>>2600538Yeah but that still doesn't mean it won't be violent/a revolution/a civil war, just that it might not be a bad or overly long one?
>>2600542Please educate me about "fascist countries," enlightened American.
>>2600536You're still so Russia focused it's like the only thing you've read about. You can disagree with Lenin in a retarded way, or you can improve on his theory and focus on the meat of Marx and Lenin that still applies and synthesis new praxis like all the other countries that had their own revolutions and progressions outside of your myopic obsessions. You probably ignore China Vietnam and Cuba as well as the entirety of LATAM. You're waiting for the day where every communist "just does what Lenin did duh so simple" when that day will never come, because 1900s Russia is 1900s Russia and nowhere else is comparable, not even 2025 Russia
>>2600546the usa has been fascist and white supremacist for some time now. most of europe are now electing their own fascist or ultra liberal leaders! the rest of the world don't matter because they have no material means of shaping the world economic order! and they will be kept underdeveloped through brutal military intervention by a coalition of first world nations and their impossibly advanced future tech weaponry. the prc might on occasion join them!
>>2600544It just depends on what your definition of "civil war" is. I don't think that the presence of just any domestic violence and power struggle = civil war. To assume that not a single bullet will be fired is nonsense, but to assume that armed combat is the central aspect of revolution as a general idea is a very limited and uncreative way to be a serious communist.
If your entire concept of communism is that you're waiting around for a civil war, then you're just focusing on like 10% of the efforts of historical communism.
>>2600542China has been overly cautions because they don't want to end up like USSR. But as the USA declines they will take up leadership just by existing as an economic powerhouse with a strong state.
>>2600520ExxonMobil should tell their truth
>>2600551No of course, but if a violent revolution/civil war does take place, you don't want to get caught unprepared and get Luxembourg'ed
>>2600289both interact with politics purely through the following:
>aesthetics>online culture war>based-cringe dialectic>failed attempts at self-actualization>lolbert indivualism(I am only sentient person in world of NPCs treatlerites) Instead of politics actually being something that happens in the real world and involves social relations. They have the mindset and demeanor of an /r9k/ poster and can only use political discussion as a vehicle for throwing hissyfits about how we're ontologically evil for not glazing them for being the next Lenin. If they actually go around irl telling people there socialist they can only hurt the movement is the fucked up part.
>>2600550You are retarded treating your headcanon as fact! Many such cases!
Man, the treatler meme made some of you so butthurt. It stings cuz it true, innit?
>>2600555Again that is a no brainer. People constantly say this like it means you should never take part in elections, as if Nazi Germany could happen again outside of it's specific historical context. Like "oh don't get killed by the nazis". No shit. But there are so many other historical examples of socdems NOT being murdered by Nazis that no one talks about. Rosa becomes the exception we've all heard a thousand times. It's unhelpful at this point and honestly reddit tier "I just become a communist like a year ago" rhetoric
>>2600569
Aiii yeah I guess you can't expect much from an israeli party after all. From what Im aware there's a lot of arabs in the party tho
>>2600547?
Thats a lot of retarded assumptions about me and not true at all lol.
>or you can improve on his theory and focus on the meat of Marx and Lenin that still applies and synthesis new praxis What is this new praxis in the case of CPUSA?
>You probably ignore China Vietnam and CubaWhat communists in those countries did was to adapt Lenin (or more specifically marxism-leninism) to their own conditions, and adapting is different to this "improving" you talk about. But maybe you mean the same thing?
>as well as the entirety of LATAMI actually had Allende in mind when I was talking about Khrushchev supporting democratic socialism as a case of moving away from basic Leninism not being such a good idea.
>>2600575>>2600575Tell me the Lenin quote about what if your enemy is incredibly strong for the time beingn and also their army has nukes and is the world hegemon? What does he say to do then?
>>2600578 (me, switched to mobile data IP)
Also tell me what Lenin thought about the internet and the ubiquitous surveillance state
>>2600571>people constantly say this like it means you should never take part in electionsNo people are saying not to support the two party system, to work outside the american uniparty, not to not partake in elections at all.
>as if Nazi Germany could happen again outside of it's specific historical context. Like "oh don't get killed by the nazis". No shit. But there are so many other historical examples of socdems NOT being murdered by Nazis that no one talks about.Im not talking about the reemergence of the nazis. The freikorps that murdered Rosa and Karl were proto fascist paramilitaries similar to the black hundreds, who famously killed them with assistance of the social democrats. Both those kinds of groups are found all over and they kill communists during revolutions and revolution like conditions all the time, often with the help of the CIA in modern times. >Rosa becomes the exception we've all heard a thousand times. It's unhelpful at this point and honestly reddit tier "I just become a communist like a year ago" rhetoric
It's not the exception at all. The german is just the most well known/well documented individual case, anti communist paramilitaries have murdered millions across the globe. The point of bringing up Rosa is precisely because it is well known example of unpreparedness for reactionary brutality and presumably you already know a lot about the circumstances, in other words a shorthand
>>2600585>People are saying not to support the 2 party systemWhat does your use of "support" mean here? When you're talking to a normie lib that would usually mean like "our two party system should be changed one day" which is obvious. But when saying this to another already explicit and open communist, what do you mean? Because in America, that's all we are going to have for a while, and leveraging it for our own means is pretty straightforwardly positive praxis, and is in fact a major avenue for it'ls eventual abolition.
>>2600578>>2600581Did I say Lenin has all the answers? Why cant you discuss without trying to frame me as a blind dogmatist?
Also you are the one saying CPUSA is developing new praxis based on "improving" Lenin taking in consideration the current conditions, so do they answer these questions?
Social psychologists and police officers tend to agree that if a window in a building is broken and is left unrepaired, all the rest of the windows will soon be broken. This is as true in nice neighborhoods as in rundown ones. Window-breaking does not necessarily occur on a large scale because some areas are inhabited by determined window-breakers whereas others are populated by window-lovers; rather, one unrepaired broken window is a signal that no one cares, and so breaking more windows costs nothing. (It has always been fun.)
Philip Zimbardo, a Stanford psychologist, reported in 1969 on some experiments testing the broken-window theory. He arranged to have an automobile without license plates parked with its hood up on a street in the Bronx and a comparable automobile on a street in Palo Alto, California. The car in the Bronx was attacked by "vandals" within ten minutes of its "abandonment." The first to arrive were a family—father, mother, and young son—who removed the radiator and battery. Within twenty-four hours, virtually everything of value had been removed. Then random destruction began—windows were smashed, parts torn off, upholstery ripped. Children began to use the car as a playground. Most of the adult "vandals" were well-dressed, apparently clean-cut whites. The car in Palo Alto sat untouched for more than a week. Then Zimbardo smashed part of it with a sledgehammer. Soon, passersby were joining in. Within a few hours, the car had been turned upside down and utterly destroyed. Again, the "vandals" appeared to be primarily respectable whites.
Untended property becomes fair game for people out for fun or plunder and even for people who ordinarily would not dream of doing such things and who probably consider themselves law-abiding. Because of the nature of community life in the Bronx—its anonymity, the frequency with which cars are abandoned and things are stolen or broken, the past experience of "no one caring"—vandalism begins much more quickly than it does in staid Palo Alto, where people have come to believe that private possessions are cared for, and that mischievous behavior is costly. But vandalism can occur anywhere once communal barriers—the sense of mutual regard and the obligations of civility—are lowered by actions that seem to signal that "no one cares."
We suggest that "untended" behavior also leads to the breakdown of community controls. A stable neighborhood of families who care for their homes, mind each other's children, and confidently frown on unwanted intruders can change, in a few years or even a few months, to an inhospitable and frightening jungle. A piece of property is abandoned, weeds grow up, a window is smashed. Adults stop scolding rowdy children; the children, emboldened, become more rowdy. Families move out, unattached adults move in. Teenagers gather in front of the corner store. The merchant asks them to move; they refuse. Fights occur. Litter accumulates. People start drinking in front of the grocery; in time, an inebriate slumps to the sidewalk and is allowed to sleep it off. Pedestrians are approached by panhandlers.
At this point it is not inevitable that serious crime will flourish or violent attacks on strangers will occur. But many residents will think that crime, especially violent crime, is on the rise, and they will modify their behavior accordingly. They will use the streets less often, and when on the streets will stay apart from their fellows, moving with averted eyes, silent lips, and hurried steps. "Don't get involved." For some residents, this growing atomization will matter little, because the neighborhood is not their "home" but "the place where they live." Their interests are elsewhere; they are cosmopolitans. But it will matter greatly to other people, whose lives derive meaning and satisfaction from local attachments rather than worldly involvement; for them, the neighborhood will cease to exist except for a few reliable friends whom they arrange to meet.
Such an area is vulnerable to criminal invasion. Though it is not inevitable, it is more likely that here, rather than in places where people are confident they can regulate public behavior by informal controls, drugs will change hands, prostitutes will solicit, and cars will be stripped. That the drunks will be robbed by boys who do it as a lark, and the prostitutes' customers will be robbed by men who do it purposefully and perhaps violently. That muggings will occur.
>>2600588So I guess we mostly agree then. I just thought you were an anti-electoralist anti-cpusa trve revolvtionary communist who wants a red army asap like most people here. I'm traumatized ok :(
>>2600559
So only in your mind?
>>2600595
Who fucking gives a shit?
>>2600529I hate this guy so much and it feels like no one knows who this PNAC pos is anymore
>>2600039Picking cotton is for Mexicans now…Christ, the political tone deafness from democrats is incredible.
>>2600595
>explicitly
>control+f "Platner"
>Zero results
>>2600607
Not even true and literally who fucking cares
>>2600591>anti-electoralistI am if by electoralism you mean voting blue no matter who and doing nothing else or if you think democratic socialism and reformism are the way. You should look at how the last attemps at reformism played out in Chile a few years ago and how it helped the far right get stronger in the end. Are these things what you mean by "new praxis"? There is nothing new about cucking to the center left and it ends badly most of the time.
>>2600587>What does your use of "support" mean here?It means letting the two party system control your political parties and organizations, like for instance the DSA's "endorsements" of democrats they like, which functionally make them an organ of the democratic party. Their claim to legitimacy is not through the electoral system or some higher political structure, but through their association with the democratic party
>Because in America, that's all we are going to have for a while, and leveraging it for our own means is pretty straightforwardly positive praxis, and is in fact a major avenue for it'ls eventual abolition.But you can't "leverage it for your own means" man, are you crazy? You think the democratic party is gonna let you leverage them? The only thing you do by allowing them to control your access to political power is control you and use you to further legitimize themselves, not the other way around. What positive praxis does assisting and prostrating yourself to the the democratic party out of fear for the republicans attain? How has all these years of entryism done anything practical at all? How much longer do you wanna keep doing it?
>>2600612No one means that. No one who is a communist means that. But my own opinion is that you must still partake in these forms of politics while simultaneously organizing strikes, educating the masses, direct action coordination, etc etc.
>>2600614>Do you think the democratic party is going to let you leverage themYes. They have no choice. We have no choice. This is one of many things being done. This is interfacing with the mechanisms of power in the USA. You greatly overestimate how powerful the democratic party is, and you lack imagination entirely for what to do. Which is why it's a good thing you're an armchair here completely irrelevant in the real world.
>>2600615
>Moralizing
Mkay
There needs to be a dengism scroll for how interfacing with the electoral system is a necessary aspect of communism.
>ctrl + f: "interfac"
This guy is an idiot.
>>2600618>Trump was a Gran Colombian irredentist all along.What a ride this has been so far. Year isn’t even over yet.
>>2600623No need for that
>>2600623That should just be common sense
I am interfacing about the next thread. What will OP interface the thread theme? Will he interface with the Vuvuzela tweet by Trump? We will only know after the thread has been interfaced.
>>2600627It is until you become an internet communist apparently.
>>2600617There will be a moment in the US, sooner rather than later, where the conditions for a revolution will be the closest they have ever been, I truly believe that, something similar happened in Chile a few years ago and the center left ruined everything. You guys have called me a fed for shitting on the DSA and CPUSA for cucking to the center left, but the reason I do it is because they act and sound exactly as the center left that ruined everything there. I'm not trying to shit on you on a personal level but is blackpilling to see it happening because it might be the last chance the world gets, and the only way you dont fall for it if you are start being more honest and call cucking to the democratic party cucking to the democratic party and not "developing a new praxis and improving Lenin". They will try to save the rulling class with reformism and its essential that you dont fall for it. Just remember that.
>>2600632A completely rational and sensible warning anon
>>2600636Elliot Rodger was the same his dad was a rich movie director, he got to go a nice school and no one was really bothering him at home.
This guy must think about riding dicks constantly
>>2600632I mean you're not wrong that the conditions are generally worsening, but as the world system keeps getting more unstable and fluctuating this-way-and-that who the fuck knows how that will react onto this place
>>2600632Fair enough. I think in any given actual opportunity we should push as far left as possible. Do you have anything I could read on the subject?
>>2600640
We don't have a pluralistic parliament here. And we still run communist party candidates here but only locally. We'd literally never get a single thing done literally ever if all we did was run explicit communists in a 2 party system. Eventually, that will be the case but we must make that possible first
>>2600620>YesWelp there's no helping you
>They have no choiceHow is the democratic party being leveraged when they easily coopt any candidate that runs through them because they "have to" run as a democrat?
>We have no choiceYou do have a choice not to support the bourgeois party anon
> This is one of many things being done. This is interfacing with the mechanisms of power in the USAlmao you're interfacing alright, you're interfacing reeeaaal nice
>You greatly overestimate how powerful the democratic party is, and you lack imagination entirely for what to doNo I don't, you are literally telling me they are so powerful working outside of their control is an impossibility, to build a party not beholden to the bourgeois party is step number one man, if you can't even bother thinking beyond the two party system how are you telling me I lack imagination? It's all projection
Radio transmissions reviewed by CNN show that the pilots of a private jet narrowly avoided a collision with a United States Air Force refueling tanker near Venezuela on Saturday – one day after a similar incident nearby.
The pilots of a Falcon 900EX business jet flying from Aruba to Miami reported the near collision to air traffic controllers in Curaçao shortly after the incident Saturday afternoon, according to audio captured by LiveATC.net.
“They were really close,” one of the pilots told controllers of the encounter at approximately 26,000 feet. “We were climbing right into him,” the unidentified pilot said. “It was big, maybe a 777 or a (767).”
The incident marks the second reported near-collision near Venezuela in two days. On Friday, the pilots of JetBlue flight 1112 from Curaçao to New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport radioed controllers that they were forced to abruptly stop their climb after a US Air Force aerial refueling tanker crossed directly in front of their flight path with its position-reporting transponder turned off
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/16/americas/venezuela-near-collision-intl-latamTrump expands travel ban list to 39 countries
President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed a proclamation expanding the list of countries with full or partial travel restrictions to 39, increasing from the previous list of 19 countries, according to the White House.
The proclamation adds seven new countries to the full travel ban list: Laos, Sierra Leone, Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger, South Sudan and Syria. Laos and Sierra Leone had previously been subject to partial restrictions.
The expanded list also includes 15 new countries facing partial restrictions: Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Benin, Cote d’Ivoire, Dominica, Gabon, The Gambia, Malawi, Mauritania, Nigeria, Senegal, Tanzania, Tonga, Zambia and Zimbabwe
The Tuesday proclamation also applies travel limitations on individuals holding Palestinian Authority-issued travel documents, and it lifts a ban on nonimmigrant visas for citizens of Turkmenistan, “while still maintaining suspended entry for Turkmen nationals.”
The proclamation makes exceptions for lawful permanent residents, existing visa holders, certain visa categories and individuals whose entry serves US national interests.
With Trump’s Tuesday proclamation, the 39 countries with full or partial restrictions are Afghanistan, Burma, Chad, Republic of the Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Burundi, Cuba, Laos, Sierra Leone, Togo, Turkmenistan, Venezuela, Burkina Faso, Mali, Niger, South Sudan, Syria, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Benin, Cote d’Ivoire, Dominica, Gabon, The Gambia, Malawi, Mauritania, Nigeria, Senegal, Tanzania, Tonga, Zambia and Zimbabwe.
>>2600649>Refusing to think beyond the two party systemWhat the fuck are you talking about? You have to do that AND other things. You assume running progressive candidates is a waste of time when it's all part of a general program of moving forward towards a classless society. Completely undialectical view of politics and the state
>>2600652Platner is not a progressive
>>2600652>>2600653Yeah im usually in here calling felix a clown but fuck platner the causa shouldnt have endorsed him he has imperialist positions
>>2600653That might be so, but he interfaced with the workers, so….
>>2600652You are not running anybody anon, the democratic party runs candidates. That is what I'm talking about.
>Completely undialectical view of politics and the statePuh-lease dog, you are joking
>>2600652he knows he's just trolling
>>2600658>The democratic party runs candidatesYou fucking retard no the don't. You really just don't understand the system here at all and it's obvious. This is very specific and technical shit that is required by the current framework we have to work within and it's just ONE aspect of praxis that is also necessary.
>>2600659>He's just trolling>Multiple paragraph long medium effortpostForgot this website was full of retards for a bit there and maybe wasted too much energy in this then
Russia is apparently building up hundreds of thousands of troops in Belarus btw
>>2600662
Good man
>>2600661What are you talking about lmao? Get out of here with your technical specific shit of what "running a candidate" means, do they appear on the ballot or ballotbox or whatever it is you do as democrat or not? Unless im mistaken it's basically just that and republican no? So yes they do run candidates
predictions for Trump address tomorrow night?
>>2600645>Do you have anything I could read on the subject?No but maybe someone from the chile threads here or in /latam/ does.
>>2600644Yeah your situation is weirder and more unpredictable, but when DSA and CPUSA justify their actions (cucking to the dems and the establishment) by appealing to the "unique" conditions of the US system or whatever I dont buy it because they act the same way the center left does on an international level.
>>2600678But it's not just nominal is it anon? You have to be nominated within the framework of the democratic party to be put on the ballot
>>2600684>You have to be nominated within the framework of the democratic partyYou literally don't. That's why this works. The Dems are incredibly decentralized and barely a party. The bar to entry running on the "democratic ticket" is so fucking low, they have no platform requirements or anything. You could essentially run on every Republican talking point but run as a dem and they wouldn't be able to stop you.
>>2600677It’s so fucking bizarre seeing this aired out in front of everyone and chanting 4 more years
>>2600682>by appealing to the "unique" conditions of the US system or whatever I dont buy it because they act the same way the center left does on an international levelThey do this shit in my country as well. Also, they just LOOOOVE "fighting fascism" by "uniting' behind neolibs. Did the right wingers win anyway? Then it's your fault because you ran your own party and "split the voooote".
They are the ones who literally fuel fascism, btw. The "center left" is there to create the next Adolf Hitler in Europe. That is their objective functioning.
>>2600683The tears in /pol/ will be precious.
>>2600652I really hope this is bait
>>2600686>The Dems are incredibly decentralized and barely a partyLmao. Compared to the GOP, Democrats are way more centralized. An usurper like Trump would have never been an official presidential candidate in the Democrat party. See what happened to Sanders.
>>2600692Exactly, the international center left fulfills the same function the second international did in the past. But if you point this out here you are a TWist fed chud or whatever.
>>2600613
You lied and said we explicitly endorsed Platner. We said “if we get X amount of seats we’ll swing the balance of the senate away from the GOP” which is objectively true. We told people to vote for pro-worker candidates. You’re lying and saying we’re *explicitly* endorsing Platner.
>>2600686>You literally don'tUnless you run third party, you do. Just because you claim the bar for entry to be low doesn't mean you're not "entering" the democratic party. You are still voted onto the ballot through a party caucus or primary or whatever the fuck, your access to political legitimacy is kept by the institution of the democratic party, which is one of the largest most powerful political parties on earth, they will change and coopt the candidates when they need to, not the other way around, there's no fixing the democratic party from the inside. In many cases they don't even need to "coopt" because plenty of "progressive" candidates are already basically indistinguishable from democrats anyway in terms of uniparty policy. Whatever man, im not even saying don't vote or anything, just don't let yourself be beholden to them like this. Electoralism is for legitimizing your own working class party, not bourgeois parties
>>2600701you are endorsing lander though
>>2600702Exactly, every single maverick who tried to change the democrats on the inside either gets coopt (AOC) or gets kicked out if they are too unorthodox from the party line (Kucinich)
>>2600616Swords need to be about 80% bigger.
They need buster swords for the intimidation factor
>>2600636Maybe they deserved it
A suspicious incident happened today with the director of MIT’s Plasma Science and Fusion Center being shot in a relatively safe neighborhood in Brookline, Massachusetts. I’d suggest keeping tabs on this and potential future incidents as the empire lurches closer and closer to the grave.
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2025/12/16/mit-professor-shot-and-killed-in-his-brookline-home/>>2600701Lol classic center-left trickery, you would gladly give Platner power just as your chilean soulmate Boric is going to give it on a silver platter to a Pinochet simp.
Pay attention burgers this is the kind of BS you dont have to fall for when the moment comes.
>>2600699I am not from the US, but I know that. And also im pretty sure there actually
is election laws that prevent people from just nominating themselves as a democrat or any party, without being nominated so in pretty much all states
>>2600702>Pulling shit out of ass>Democrats are large and powerful>Don't be "beholden">You want to "fix" the democratic partySo many things are wrong here. A complete ignorance and conflation of what limits exist and which don't, what you can get away with, and refusing to imagine how you
actually gain popular support for socialism in a uniquely American context.
Again, undialectical thinking, and total lack of political intuition
>>2600713>Trickery>When you're the one lying that we're explicitly, literally endorsing PlatnerYou're saying "Platner is the pro-worker candidate" and claiming we
would endorse him, while before you were lying and saying we
did endorse him.
>>2600703Did we now? If you're referring to Brad Lander ain't he running against an establishment dem that's even more pro-israel?
I would genuinely pay thousands of dollars to see Laura loomer meet Felix
>>2600718>>2600721I'd like to take this moment to highlight that the anon was claiming we
explicitly endorsed Platner by pointing to an article in which we never mention Platner once and merely explained how many seats the GOP would need to lose control of the house and senate.
There are
33 seats up for election in the senate and
all 435 seats up for election in the house. He's claiming that because Platner is running in
one singular race in Maine, we "explicitly endorsed" him by telling people to… vote for pro-worker candidates. He's calling this an
explicit endorsement of Platner.
>>2600722>"I really respect how you're to the left of leftypol" >>2600716What did I pull out of my ass anon? Are you or are you not voted onto the ballot through party primaries and caucuses and whatever the fuck?
Are the democrats not one of the two leading parties of the most powerful country on earth?
Are you not running candidates through that party, thus being beholden to them?
Did you not say you wanted to leverage them? In this context that means the same thing as fixing it. Adapting the bourgeois party for proletarian ends. But I guess they're not technically the same, so I'll grant it to you
>So many things are wrong hereCuriously you fail to address any of those wrongs with an argument, instead just repeating what I said as if it's self evidently wrong and whining about the uniquely american context
> A complete ignorance and conflation of what limits exist and which don't, what you can get away with, and refusing to imagine how you actually gain popular support for socialism in a uniquely American context. >Again, undialectical thinking, and total lack of political intuitionLmfao blow it out your ass mamdani boy
>>2600715>And also im pretty sure there actually is election laws that prevent people from just nominating themselves as a democrat or any party, without being nominated so in pretty much all statesYou can't just declare yourself the Democratic candidate for the general election yeah, you become that by winning the party primary. But to get on the ballot for the primary all you usually really need to do is file some paperwork, pay a small filing fee, actually live in the district (or have an address there anyways) and you're on the ballot.
Some local Democrats once tried to get *me* to run for State House lol (a race I would've definitely lost)
But it's usually not ballot access rules that are preventing leftists from running as Democrats. It's that candidates who are really involved in local Democratic Party politics have an electoral machine on their side and have already served in lower-level offices and know how to run in elections, and so they're just going to crush you in a lot of cases. Bernie is an independent from Vermont but he was the mayor of Burlington, the state capital, for awhile before being elected to the House and then later the Senate. The crux of the matter though is that the left in this country is very weak.
>>2600723these are just berserk characters
>>2600620straight up psychotic post, you make felix sound normal and stable
>>2600731Yeah I understand that, it's not the getting on the ballot or not being a problem, it's that that ballot has to be a democrat one. Look at Bernie for a good example of how a nominally independent politician is still molded and prostrated to the dems
>>2600731I recently hung out with some local DSA types, who ranged from anarchist to ML to more basic "progressive dem". Anyway the progressive dems were airing their frustration with the entrenched dems of the city and state. These complaints included things like the local young dem outreach group being run by rapist blue flavored chuds that treat politics as a model UN hobby, the dem state house rep not bothering to meet with her constituents and being in bed with charter schools, even the DSA endorsed city council rep going full hog for a dubious stadium funding ballot initiative despite the city's DSA staunchly opposing it.
I think they're going to try running someone against the charter school lady, but I do wonder what it will take for for DSA or more likely a successor to officially divorce with the blue klan. It seems to have a decent amount of experienced people growing dissatisfied with the naked collaboration of nycdsa and its outsized orbit.
>>2600648>And we still run communist party candidates here but only locally.In amerika, the KKK run local candidates like platner.
>We'd literally never get a single thing done literally ever if all we did was run explicit communists in a 2 party system. You say this as nothing gets done. You say this as the CPUSA dick rides platner as venezuela is bombarded.
>Eventually, that will be the case but we must make that possible firstDick riding platner is opposite of this
>>2600740The DSA could barely pass R22, and it was met with very strong resistance from literal "river to the sea"-chanting pro-palestine members. I don't think we will see anything from the DSA, this is a path that was made almost a century ago, when worker movements were far stronger, by the CPUSA. Every org followed their footsteps. People will insist you should play the game with the cards you're given or whatever innuendo they want to do more electoral entryism. They will mangle Lenin to do it if they have to.
Venezuela Condemns Trump’s Threat of Military and Naval Blockade
The Bolivarian Government described as “reckless and serious” the statement made by the US president on social media, where he demanded the handover of Venezuelan natural resources under threat of a naval blockade.
The Venezuelan government announced on Tuesday, December 16, 2025, that it will denounce before the UN the “grotesque threats” made by US President Donald Trump to impose a naval blockade to seize its natural resources. The US president made these statements via his social media accounts, demanding the return of Venezuelan assets.
In a statement, the Bolivarian Government of Venezuela specified that President Trump, in an act it describes as a violation of international law, free trade, and freedom of navigation, “assumes that Venezuela’s oil, land, and mineral wealth are his property,” demanding their immediate handover. The official statement labels this action an “absolutely irrational” attempt to impose a military and naval blockade to “steal the country’s wealth
“Venezuela, in the full exercise of the International Law that protects us, our Constitution, and the laws of the Republic, reaffirms its sovereignty over all its natural resources, as well as the right to free navigation and free trade in the Caribbean Sea and the world’s oceans. Consequently, it will proceed, in strict adherence to the UN Charter, to fully exercise its freedom, jurisdiction, and sovereignty in the face of these warmongering threats,” states the text published by the Bolivarian Government.
The statement assures that the Venezuelan ambassador to the UN, Samuel Moncada, will immediately proceed to formalize the complaint for this “serious violation of International Law,” in strict adherence to the Charter of the United Nations.
The Venezuelan government called on the American people and the international community to reject this “extravagant threat that once again reveals Donald Trump’s true intentions to steal the riches of the country that gave birth to the United Liberation Army of South America and to our Liberator, Simón Bolívar.”
The statement quoted Trump verbatim, who expressed on social media: “until all the oil, land, and other assets that were previously stolen from us are returned to the United States.” In this regard, the Bolivarian government affirms that “his true intention, which has been denounced by Venezuela and the people of the United States in large demonstrations, has always been to appropriate the country’s oil, land, and minerals through massive campaigns of lies and manipulation.”
“Venezuela will never again be a colony of any empire or foreign power and will continue, together with its people, on the path of building prosperity and the unrestricted defense of our independence and sovereignty,” the statement concludes.
The text concludes by reaffirming the Venezuelan people’s stance in defending their historical rights and independence, quoting Simón Bolívar: “fortunately, a handful of free men have been seen to defeat powerful empires.”
https://www.telesurenglish.net/venezuela-condemns-trumps-threat-of-military-and-naval-blockade/Maduro response
>>2600723There are no pro worker candidates running for office anywhere in America and there never will be. America is a bourgeois Republic which exists to enrich and protect the bourgeoisie. At best there are politicians who want to enrich the petty bourgeoisie, the most reactionary class, who your party explicitly calls for collaboration with.
You cannot use bourgeois politics to defeat a bourgeois government, but your party has to try because you have denied class struggle (Marxism) in favor of class collaboration (fascism).
>>2600744Here's a comment from the DSA reddit. Someone who is personally involved and explains the actual vibes they have within the party itself and the general direction they see themselves going:
>It is the case that most DSA endorsed candidates run on a Democratic ballot line in Democratic primaries.>But the general consensus among most DSA members in the organization is to eventually have a dirty break from the Democratic Party in order to establish an Independent Socialist Party or a working class party that is capable of competing for state power.>There are many different tendencies within DSA when it comes to electoral politics and non-electoral pursuits.>Ranging anywhere from libertarian socialists and anarchists, democratic central planning, to electoral reformist democratic socialists.>Many disagreeing on whether or not to realign with the Democratic Party as a way to push for more social democratic and socialist policies, the ranked in file strategy, the party surrogate model, or to support Independent third party efforts.>It’s clear to me that the newly elected New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani is more concerned about pushing the Democratic Party to the left as opposed to pushing the dual power approach that’s more popular among libertarian socialists and anarchists alike.>Medicare for All and a Green New Deal are both key policies that the DSA supports.>To be clear, the Democratic Party as a private entity and an institution is a capitalist party.>Social democracy i.e. The Nordic Model, is a mechanism of passing legislation that allows for mass unionization, a Green New Deal, free childcare, Medicare for All, tuition-free public higher education (vocational school, public college, universities) & ample paid parental leave for everyone etc.>However, it’s not the long term goal of the DSA. So the DSA
in general especially the MLs see themselves inevitably having a dirty break from the Dems once they build up enough support.
>>2600495Your endorsed candidate Joseph Robinette Biden set records for deportations and you didn't say a word about it because he was quiet and polite.
>>2600760Platner is the most proworker candidate running in maine senate election. If not, which candidate is more pro-worker?
>>2600723I am merely seeking to clarify the real position of your party.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/defeat-trump-and-maga-vote-as-if-your-life-depends-on-it/>Turn out voters to elect pro-worker candidates in the 2026 midterm election. If the MAGA cabal loses four Senate seats and three House seats in 2026, it will end Republican control of the House and Senate. And we can win more if we help turn out a landslide vote!One of those four senate seats is the one Platner is running for.
If not platner, then whose dick is the CPUSA riding for the Maine senate election? The other dems are more moderate and pro-zionist. Please clarify. I ask in good faith.
>>2600764Platner wants to murder Chinese workers for the benefit of American bourgeoisie. That is not pro-worker, it's just that you only care about Americans.
>>2600764>I ask in good faithlmao
>>2600762Anarchist in political parties are confused idiots. And you always find them in socdem parties, never in communist ones. The fat corpse of Bakunin is rolling in his grave.
>>2600762I don't care why imperialists are imperialist,I only care that they are.
>>2600770yeah they're always an annoying presence in the beginning. Eventually they will be purged of course. But for now at least sometimes they're useful.
>>2600764>Still shilling platnerJfc
>>2600762>Some ppl's desire to break with DemsMeaningless. DSA is in symbiosis with the Dems.
>>2600773In my experience they wreck more than help. They are individualists incapable of functioning in a collectivist setting. Their very existence as party member indicates that they don't practice what they pretend to believe.
>>2600764Bud, I'm gunna be fucking for real. He's a nazi inflitrator.
>>2600636>>2600639ER and this Nick Reiner are totally different situations.
If you don't understand how easy it is for a kid (And I'm talking like, STARTING from the age of 12 years old) to get swept into a world of alcoholism and drug addiction living in LA as a child of a cool and famous person I'd ask you to just think twice about it. What if this was your life? How do you imagine such a thing would play out. You wouldn't be smoking and drinking and fucking?
It's definitely not "insane" like the dumbass in the OP says it is. It's hard to fight against or react to, because of how swift it can affect kids and put them onto a path.
And parents are generally not equipped to handle it. They often didn't have the same experience, and they are sold on all kinds of methods that don't work or make things worse. It seems like the Reiner's case his parent sent him to one of those trouble teen schools, which are sold to parents are a way to fix your kid, but often inflict major trauma on them.
The entire post by the OP is so annoying. People like this shouldn't be taken seriously. Just think for a moment.
>>2600789It was not different. Elliot father was a director for the hunger games movie and he lived in a wealthy part of California
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rodger >>2600789Elliot family that had him go to 3 different high schools depending on his needs, got lots of medical support since age 9, got properly diagnosed.
Family vacations to France, Morocco, England, Malaysia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and Greece—always flying first class. His director dad took him to red carpet events like Hunger Games, got him an expensive BMW, private concerts from artists like Katy Perry.
>>2600791Elliot has other severe mental issues unrelated to substance abuse or social pressures. He lived on the internet and rarely if ever interact with other people in real life. He documents his life in his journal/manifesto. He never talks about meeting friends. The only person he ever talks about is his sister, who he has a strange psychosexual realtionship to.
>>2600198https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Brown_University_shootinghttps://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/12/15/metro/brown-university-shooting-victims/(I shared the above link because it's a local news outlet but it's behind a paywall. Guess we'll have to wait until a hero puts it on the wayback machine)https://people.com/2-killed-8-injured-brown-university-shooting-11868669As of now, the details say a female vice president of the local College Republicans and a male Uzbeki immigrant were killed with 9 others injured. Could be a dumb leftie but the randomness of it so far seems like it could also be some nihilist/764/CVLT bullshit (which might technically make it a Fed op, but the thing is the decentralized nature of the CVLT network has made it largely out of the Fed's control, even if they had a hand in some of its organizers)
>>2600348>I don't know, dude. This is neo-fascism we're talking about. Intellectualism within the fascist movement is long gone.You're kinda right in that the younger, self-professed fascist intellectuals today are a degenerated pantomime of their forebears but there are plenty of older Reactionaries/Conservatives that are present and active in think tanks, they're just not as conspicuous as the Shapiros, Kirks, and Fuentes(es?) of the world, who are actually merely propagandists rather than theorists. It's old guys like Patrick Deneen, Roger Scruton, Yoram Hazony, Mark Bauerlein, Michael Millerman and Paul Gottfried; the list goes on, but those are who we on the Left should be looking at as the actual theorists
(and should be taken care of, even just a little moreso than the propagandists).
>>2600495>Y'know one of the most bizarre things I've seen recently is just the confidence in which Americans are asserting their own religion. I don't even consider it Christianity past a point because it seems so distinctly American. Like the Pope made some generic post about how we should work to end poverty and some lady responded that it isn't biblical 'cause "Jesus said the poor will always be with us." Now you've got an openly gay billionaire telling an ostensibly Catholic politician "Oh ignore the Pope, he may be the antichrist." It's fucking crazy, like where does this fucking unearned sense of theological authority come from? The dude would've had to flagellate for being gay centuries ago and here he is saying "Actually the Pope is an agent of Satan so you Catholics should ignore him and listen to me instead."It's been a known thing for a while that a huge portion of American Protestantism doesn't worship God so much as worship the
idea of America itself, and conservative Catholics in the US are increasingly just becoming American Prots who like incense and Warhammer 40,000. This country has a very quiet Civil Religion on par with the Roman Empire if you know where to look. I've been aware of America's Civil religion for a long time, but it wasn't until I visited the Smithsonian years ago and physically saw the marble statue of an enthroned George Washington like he's fucking JVPITER that it finally got through my head instead of being a weird, abstract funfact
>>2600794His parents tried to get him treatment and adjust to his needs
HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN
the bondi beach martyrs…?
:(
>>2600797Sorry, I'm still praying for Kirk to get better.
>>2600799you're an anti scimitar
>>2600789Also I would not be smoking or drinking no. My cousins were drug dealers, my dad has multiple duis, I have been put in a psych ward multiple times as well. Still did turn to drugs and I would absolutely never ever harm my parents. You are like trying to run defense for this guy who killed his parents
>>2600803Still did not turn to drugs*
>>2600803>>2600804Individuals are not equal.
>>2600625How the fuck can anyone take Fuentes seriously in any capacity?
I just don't get it
Plapner
>>2600809I am aware. I can say with 100% certainty there is zero defense for a person hurting their parents like this. You are trying to create some angle where it is reasonable due to trauma, no it is not.
>>2600809He also had both parents present which is a lot more than most of us others had
>>2600812Mental illness is rational whether you like it or not.
U.S. Military Willing to Attack “Designated Terrorist Organizations” Within America, General Says
>“If I had questions, I would elevate that to the chairman and the secretary. … And if I had no concerns and I was confident in the lawful order, I would definitely execute that order.”https://theintercept.com/2025/12/16/trump-domestic-attack-dtos/Imperial boomerang is getting closer and closer to finishing its return trajectory.
>>2600816haha people still fight the assertion that the usa is fascist
>>2600817Its not. USA is just a police state
>>2600819American state is too strong for there to be a fascism. Fascism is a democratic self organization of people
>>2600634>sonnenrad in desantis ad>parkland shooter in broward countyI wonder if the groyper will ally or conflict with the Miami gusanos
>>2600810Ideology aside (because Fuentes is clearly a nazi), Fuentes has a likable character, unlike the disgusting Destiny or Agent Kochinski. Even BE is too corrosive. Haz could be this likable scumbag leftist but he has some manic obsessions and goes apeshit over some slight disagreements which makes him look rather manchildish.
Adam Friedland is a very chilled and likable leftist but he is too vanilla for most, he's pretty much a centrist. So yeah I think that is why Fuentes is being normalised so much despite being an outright nazi.
>>2600762This is all shockingly naive and the DSA will never accomplish anything because they are trying to use the internal mechanisms of a bourgeois state which exists to sustain bourgeois power. The DSA has zero legislative accomplishments because they insist on operating inside this bourgeois framework where they will constantly be hamstrung by the system. The system exists to destroy them. Reforming it is a contradiction on par with a vegan tiger.
>>2600767Yes. The other dems (mills, alcala) are moderate in relation to platner in that they are do not call themselves socialist and they are unapologetic zionists. That is why the left like cpusa and hasan supports him and not them. I am not saying platner is actually pro-worker or that he is not a nazi. I am saying that CPUSA says to elect "pro-worker" candidates, yet they name no candidates so they practically say to Maine, "elect platner."
>33 other seatsOf those, 22 are held by the MAGA cabal, including the one platner vies for. Four are needed to end the fascist republican dictatorship of the senate and Maine is one of the best chances.
>>2600839>the left>cpusa and hasankek
Hasan is america's Lenin whether you like it or not
>>2600845Who will be America's Trotsky and Stalin?
>>2600850uhh Agent Kochinski and destiny
>>2600845he's not even america's kautsky. america's lenin was eugene victor debs, self described american bolshevik, who was actually older than lenin, born in the 1850s, was always a union man, but came over to Communism late in life in prison when he read Capital, and was at his most revolutionary in his last 5-10 years of life. There is nobody closer to the american lenin than debs unfortunately, except maybe fred hampton, but he was killed too young.
>>2600820it's all bait tonight
>>2600102The axis of resistance was betrayed by it's overseas "allies", who the resistance begged to open a second front and they refused to do anything except vandalize a few Starbucks.
>>2600857Hey, at least we learned something new
>>2600854.
>>2600857Baiting and posting stupid shit is the only way to make theorycels post theory, though
>>2600634wtf kinda name is fishback
>>2600616I mean it doesn't really help them against the police who are the ones breaking the camps up and forcing them to relocate elsewhere which is the main issue causing the deterioration of their quality of life but I guess they could use it to defend themselves from individuals wanting to take their shit.
>>2600616i feel like giving black homeless people hard liquor and a machete is setting them up to get them shot by the police, but maybe I'm just cynical.
>>2600616I can tell this is from 4klan cuz there's no audio
>>2600119You'd think your party would learn a lesson and stop supporting the Democrats at some point.
>>2600854>If the Hendersons and the Snowdens reject a bloc with the Communists, the latter will immediately gain by winning the sympathy of the masses and discrediting the Hendersons and Snowdens; if, as a result, we do lose a few parliamentary seats, it is a matter of no significance to us. We would put up our candidates in a very few but absolutely safe constituencies, namely, constituencies where our candidatures would not give any seats to the Liberals at the expense of the Labour candidates. We would take part in the election campaign, distribute leaflets agitating for communism, and, in all constituencies where we have no candidates, we would urge the electors to vote for the Labour candidate and against the bourgeois candidate. Comrades Sylvia Pankhurst and Gallacher are mistaken in thinking that this is a betrayal of communism, or a renunciation of the struggle against the social-traitors. On the contrary, the cause of communist revolution would undoubtedly gain thereby.Hasan is upholding this, is he not? For amerikan conditions, Communists must urge electors to vote for the Democratic candidates and against the fascist Republican candidates.
>>2600623>There needs to be a dengism scroll if you read the dengism elder scroll you would see how there is already some stuff in there like that, like Engels's quote in his letter to Florence Kelley Wischnewetsky about recruiting people for the First International from the Bourgeois-Democratic parties.
>When we returned to Germany, in spring 1848, we joined the Democratic Party as the only possible means of getting the ear of the working class; we were the most advanced wing of that party, but still a wing of it. When Marx founded the International, he drew up the General Rules in such a way that all working-class socialists of that period could join it – Proudhonists, Pierre Lerouxists and even the more advanced section of the English Trades Unions; and it was only through this latitude that the International became what it was, the means of gradually dissolving and absorbing all these minor sects, with the exception of the Anarchists, whose sudden appearance in various countries was but the effect of the violent bourgeois reaction after the Commune and could therefore safely be left by us to die out of itself, as it did. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1887/letters/87_01_27.htm >>2600884No. Communists must urge workers to take up arms and overthrow the bourgeois system which is killing us all and bringing about human extinction.
>>2600908We should form a Communist party worthy of the name instead of joining the Ultra-Browderist "Communist" Party USA, which has denied class struggle and advocates for class collaboration.
>>2600908They can write whatever the fuck they want but their actions never follow their words. The CPUSA = DNC, but with a Red Flag rhetoric.
A real Communist Party would hammer the need to dismantle NATO like maniacs. They would make this their number 1 priority. They would infiltrate all spheres: trade unions, PMC 'culture industry', intellectuals, rural areas etc and vilify NATO.
A real communist party would also try to win over factions of soldiers and militarymen.
The Bolsheviks would never succeed had they not had a significant portion of the Soldier's Soviets.
>>2600914This is one of the few times I disagree with you, trying to recruit American babykillers is pointless. They are totally indoctrinated to be thoughtless killers for capitalism, to such an extent that they even call their own training indoc.
>>2600910>>2600913It's interesting reading articles on their website where they criticize Browderism and class collaborationism.
Is your thesis that organizations can never recover from revisionism once they become revisionist? i.e., that a revolutionary organization can become revisionist, but a revisionist organization can never become revolutionary again?
>>2600914>A real communist party would also try to win over factions of soldiers and militarymen. >The Bolsheviks would never succeed had they not had a significant portion of the Soldier's Soviets.You and felix will disagree on this due to the nature of the US military (all volunteer, only bully postcolonial countries vs. russian military in the bolshevik situation, which was mostly working class draftees, and was fighting near-peer adversaries in WW1)
Hilarious how great Maoist revolutionary BRG, with all his crackka this and crackka that rhetoric, is a DSA stooge while building his PMC life in white suburbs. Even then, the retarded creature cannot live normally, he has to assault swing sets to Le Epic Own le Karen next door.
Tragicomic.
>>2600915>to such an extent that they even call their own training indoc.something to be said for the honesty lol
>>2600916Look at what they DO, not what they say. It's very easy to write some articles, it's very difficult to actually stand up and do something about it.
When the rubber meets the road, the CPUSA collaborates every single time, and they always have throughout their history. The fact is, the party of today is Ultra-Browderite, they have totally rejected the theory of class struggle and replaced it with collaboration. It's literally a pillar of their doctrine to form alliances with the petty bourgeoisie, supporting the small business tyrants from whence fascism emerges, always with the help of social democrats like them.
>>2600916I repeat, they can criticise Browderism in writing and all. But a real CP in America has one clear primary objective: vilify NATO like obsessive maniacs. If not, then all roads lead to DNC entryism.
>felix disagreement volunteer nature army etcYeah obviously the USA in 2025 is nothing like Russia in 1917. But the fact remains, if you reject the electoral route (no point talking about 'parliamentarism' as the USA has no parliament with multi-party), if you reject class collaboration, and your thesis is armed uprising of workers, having a portion of soldiers on your side is a sine qua non for success. Else it ends in another WACO or Tulsa. When people talk about the Black Panthers, they only mention the traitors and how they were infiltrated. Even if they were not infiltrated, they would still get crushed if they attempted an armed uprising. Simply sloganeering "Armed uprising of the workers led by the revolutionary vanguard" does not change physical reality: not even a tbousand workers will rise up, your 'vanguard' are LARPers and retards.
In short, if you insist on armed seizure of power, having a portion of the militarymen on your side is non-negotiable.
>>2600919Yes, the USA is an Anime Convention turned into a country.
>>2600921ok i hear you but there was a more general question than about specifically the cpusa:
<Is your thesis that organizations can never recover from revisionism once they become revisionist? i.e., that a revolutionary organization can become revisionist, but a revisionist organization can never become revolutionary again? obviously the democratic party can't be reformed from within, but perhaps the communist parties (there are many) in the USA can be reformed by the rank and file workers within them? I only ask because building a party from scratch can also result in a revisionist piece of shit party. can you take an existing organization and make it better, or is that impossible. if so, why? why can the capitalists co-opt all our organizations and make them worse, but we cannot do the reverse? It's a theoretical question for you, not a repudiation of your ideas.
What did lenin do? Do that. Whatever he did
If I had divine powers, I would have all Liberal Arts Colleges self-combust immediately.
The SAT-acing nerds with their big glasses create a literary bubble and lull themselves into an alternate reality. When time comes to work and earn money, they pop the revolutionary bubble and join corporate and become HR ghouls.
Of all the 'circles' which are supposedly socialist/communist in America, how many actually have workers in them? If not as cadres, then do they atleast have a worker audience?
While the Bolsheviks were a bunch of lawyers, writers, poets at first, their audience was absolutely proletarian. Which is why Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky managed to conjure up a Red Army of millions seemingly overnight. They had been using the Workers and Soldiers Soviets as Roman 'forums' for many years before 1917. They constantly took the temperature of workers and soldiers.
That is the difference between a vanguard and cringe LARPers.
>>2600928ok, I will start going to law school in st. petersburg…
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>>2600930>>2600927What is the benefit of trying to reform the CPUSA from within? They are a moribund organization and a totally irrelevant caucus of the Democratic party that sells out what little credibility they have for absolutely no benefit. They have very few members, no resources of note and no power.
You could, theoretically, reform the party, but WHY?
>>2600922You will not find soldiers willing to join you, the average American babykiller is the most savage and reactionary example of the American people, they are rabid dogs who should be destroyed before their sickness can spread. Maybe 1 in 10,000 are potential allies, all the rest are your worst enemies.
>>2600632>le revolutionary momentIs not going to happen. This is not Tsarist Russia, nor Imperial China, Nor Imperial Ethiopia, Nor Colonial Vietnam, Nor whatever, nor ever will be. Get your head out of your memes. Let us live in reality. You will never shoot it out with the government and win. It will never happen. The armed forces will never decide, "whoah, I guess the communists students are more popular than the government, so let's overthrow the government." And that didn't work out in Ethiopia. Just stop. Be realistic. We live in an actual democracy. If the majority of people wanted communism, we would have it. But they don't.
>>2601193You will never win shooting it out with the government and the armed forces. Even if you got every single person who is a civilian to rise up against them you would never win shooting it out. They have a million trump cards. It's such a ridiculous fucking premise.
>>2601680Oops don't know why the bongs called there missiles and subs the same thing.
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