Goddammit, I was about to bake the thread.
>>2621701>Mineralnye Vodiwestoid russiaboo retard spotted
>>2621736what? that's the literal name of the city
>>2621755He's thinking he should've stayed legit like Putin and Kirill Dmitriev, who've done more to appease the CIA than he possibly could have.
>>2621628I wonder what China's reason is. China has never seemed particularly enamored of Israel.
Anyway, it's almost enough to become a hardcore chud when you see this little state in the Middle East exerting such an influence over America and Russia alike. Then there's the whole incident with Naftali Bennett claiming that he secured a promise from Putin to fight a proles-only war and not to touch the regime leadership.
>>2621341Excellent move on Agent Z's part to appoint Budanov, actually. Lots of troll energy too. Medvedev went into alcoholic rage because he knows how toxic Budanov is to Russians, and this makes the Kremlinoids look even more pathetic with this literal terrorist representing the civil leadership of Ukraine now. I laughed for a good 5-10 minutes when I heard the news.
Compounding that is the fact that Trump likely knew about the attack on Putin's residence, so it was already pretty damn pathetic to turn that Christcuck cheek.
>>2621780>ukraine has epicly trolled le ruzzians, rolling on the rofl floor laughing!that will surely help them on the ground…
>>2621792>the groundYou mean the Donbass where the vanned ethnic Russians go while the Nazis celebrate Bandera in Lvov?
>>2621780>Lots of troll energy too>le meymey in chief of staff.>lots of meymey energyyou can't be more meymey
troll energy than
>podolyak: ''le crimea vacation summer 2023or
>arestovych: le 110 out of 105 missiles shot down. the only thing that chudanov would bring to the table is more confirmation that banderites haven't been kicked out from the highest ukrainian political positions.
>>2621803>more confirmation that banderites haven't been kicked out from the highest ukrainian political positions.I agree. De-Nazification status grim.
>>2621794lukewarm 2022 era take
they have been vanning lvivans for a long while
I've seen the video of the bandera celebration and it's like 80% balding boomers, all the young people have left the country or are hiding from the TCC
>>2621798Heard that Zelya marked up some 34 year old zoomoid (Mikhail Fedorov) as his new defence minister in stead of Umerov. This is going to go well.
>>2621804oh, that happens on the daily basis, every time the chudians enter into battle. I don't care if the likes of nazilushny or chudanovs live. let that problem be for polelols once they get ukraine to join their beloved EU alliance and banderites that survive start vacationing on the Bieszczady mountains and lynch polelols either on what remains of ukraine or poleloland.
>>2621806Big X for doubt. Most of the vannings have been proles from Russian-heavy areas. The Nazis in Lvov and Kiev are exempt and only have to worry about the occasional blackout during their fash metal concerts when Christcucktin tries to send a 50-layered message of restraint on the power grid.
>>2621817Arlington National Cemetery in the US doesn't contain only Virginians.
>>2621810why would Russia has to go up to lvov to clean up until the last nazi? what are
you doing to help? At least Russia goes and kills many of them. Russia does not need to repeat the same noble labor that they did back in 20th century, that was not rewarded, but now even whitewashed by the likes of radlibs like you.
>>2621824are you implying ukrainians bury all of their defenders in lviv
I can assure you that isn't the case
>>2621827>why would Russia has to go up to lvov to clean up until the last nazi? You mean the first Nazi.
The last time Russia was incontrovertibly fighting actual Nazis was in Mariupol…and then Christcucktin turned his cheek and released them to Turkey, after which they came back to Lvov/Kiev.
>>2621828No, I'm saying that using Lviv cemeteries makes sense for burying the vanned ethnic Russian proles when there's no room for those fallen proles elsewhere.
>>2621829>Nazis was in Mariupoloh, of course only in Mariupol there were nazis, the azovites promoted by the UA peremoga that they were counter-attacking in Pokvosk weren't the true-true nazis, they were the
far right re-branded azov forces.
>>2621829Russia is constantly incontrovertibly fighting nazis since there are dozens of nazi battalions embedded all over the Ukrainian military. Azov was headquartered in Kharkov.
>>2621835I know you're not happy that Russia is doing Ukraine's work for it by causing devastation in only ethnic Russian oblasts and attriting ethnic Russian proles, but there's a reason Budanov is sitting with his comfy green sweater and smirking at the Kremlin Christcucks.
>>2621834it's good that my opinion on the goals or hat they Russians should do, doesn't matter to the SMO goals. Because eventually chudanov and nazilushny will meet banderite thanks to the Russians.
>>2621837is chudanov now your hero, nafo? is that it? that's your ideological
ethos? the "based" chudanov? a literal banderite?
>>2621838>Because eventually chudanov and nazilushny will meet banderite thanks to the Russians.Make up your mind on their fate :)
>>2621840Russia was happy to hold meetings with Budanov this year. I don't see the problem. Surely Russia wouldn't be negotiating with terrorists…
I want to see Ukraine lose big, but I won't lie, I've also started enjoying the provocations against Putin. It's hilarious what a cheek-turning weakling he is. Do you think Bush or Obama ever had any idea that they could oversee assassination attempts on him and he'd do nothing - worse than nothing, he'd come groveling back to them?
>>2621858 (MEEEE)
And then like I see all these commentators warning that it would be stupid to remove Putin because he'd be replaced by a hardliner…yet all they're doing is making me root for Budanov's next effort, to be very honest.
>>2621868
they're dying bitter miserable deaths for Zelensky's golden toilets and they don't even get any choice in the matter
>>2621844>>2621844he did not meet with Russians. he met with US politicians, and the US politicians met back the Russians. you are making stuff up now.
lmao, I am pretty sure that Russia would prefer to take up to Lvov before having a public meeting with an outright banderite.
KPRF is saying not to negotiate with the enemy but is still framing this as sympathy toward Putin rather than as vigorous opposition to his stupid indulgence. Again, opposition party in name only.
>>2621875Nonsense. We know what happened and why Russian officials were so cagey about it. It's also why they're cagey about what was agreed upon in Alaska.
>>2621880pics or didn't happen.
>>2621871
Обрыга, иди нахуй.
>>2621871
On the contrary, he's Russian. It's why he's so blind to Christcucktin's faults.
>>2621871
Ad hominem level: maximum
We went this over and over again thousands of times at this point, the summary is: no, this is happening for objective reasons, you are not a materialist if you pretend otherwise, you could actually still be a bothsider and not be this retarded
>>2621881They wouldn't dare take pics. You have to rely on your common sense and the plausible reporting coming out from both Ukros and Ziggas. Whom did the Russians meet in UAE from the Ukrainian side? Why were they so cagey about it? They could've just named the people like they did every other time.
>>2621888
I assure you he's Russian. I have no vested interest in defending him either. We're hardly ever friendly to each other.
>>2621890Yes, I'm not surprised that you're more willing to use your imagination for the unlikely future (Russia will totally take out Budanov, as a change of mind that he'll be living out his existence in Poland) than the likely past.
>>2621895Heheheheh.
NAFO wants Chadanov to take out Putin because he's BIG BAD MAN.
I want Chadanov to take out Putin because he's a weak af Christcuck holding back maximalist victory.
We are not the same, but you're just gonna have to deal with the fact that smirking Chadanov is my new wallpaper.
see, there, all this seething, that's why I support Russia, almost uncritically. at least almost uncritically online.
>>2621915It's not, but I might combine that one with smirking Budanov. Drives home what a joke Christcucktin is.
I wanted to troll /uhg/ and /k/ eventually, but what's there to troll really with Christcucktin's rules of engagement? Russia has less territory than it did in 2022 because Christcucktin gave a "gesture of goodwill" retreat all over the place, and the areas facing the most devastation don't put any pressure on the Zelensky regime at all.
If the Kremlin thought it could hold Donbass indefinitely, then it wouldn't be necessary to tolerate Trump's endless insults (and now likely assassination efforts), and it wouldn't be necessary to send Kirill Dmitriev to kiss his ass (while posting literal Qanon screenshots on Twitter). 😜😜😜😜
Russia needs to grovel before the US to get some kind of "deal" that it can show domestically, but the US keeps offering only scraps, so the groveling continues, the cheek-turning continues, the terrible fear of being ghosted by the US again like in the Biden years continues.
At least you guys stopped talking about Ukrainian collapse constantly. That's something…
how come theres so many nazi shills in here?
>>2621966Pokrovsk became like Bakhmut: full of Zigga sound and fury, signifying nothing. Still dicking around in pro-Russian villages after four years, only now pleading with Trump to make Ukraine leave. Zelensky regime still running the show, only possible threat to it coming from the US to make a switch from Zelensky to Banderite Zaluzhny.
>>2621967They are mad because they are losing?
I just don't know why anybody would even bother to shill on this board. This board doesn't matter and the thread is dead as it is. Or maybe it's the one remaining hopeful local baiting everybody hoping to revitalize the thread?
>>2621967I count maybe like one…
…unless you're one of those damaged people who think criticizing Putin for not going total hulksmash on the Nazi regime is ackshually shilling for Ukraine.
the neo-con Peace President has just launched an invasion of Venezuela
THE ORANGE PEDOPHILE IS STYLING ON YOU CUCKTIN. HE KIDNAPPED MADURO ON THE FIRST FUCKING DAY MEANWHILE ZELENSKY STILL LIVES
> I've also started enjoying the provocations against Putin
Which one? The attempted attack against the state residence of the Russian president? Or the successful attack against civilians on New Years' Eve?
>>2622678didn't russia claim it was an assassination attempt?
>>2622964I dunno, perhaps, doesn't answer the question in any case.
>>2623039sounded like you were downplaying it as an attack on the house itself and not putin, which could be right but afaik isn't what russia sees it as
>>2623064Still doesn't answer the question.
>I've also started enjoying the provocations against Putindoes that include Ukraine's chimpouts against civilians when real attacks fail?
>>2622662I reject your suggestion that Christcucktin doesn't make rational decisions. That's blasphemy.
>Blumpf: "Your choice is capture or death."
>Maduro: "Capture."
Wow, turns out you can just do things!
>>2622662That's because Cucktin gave a personal promise to Naftali Bennett that he would leave Zelensky alive for the entire war, and Cucktin keeps his promises. No I'm not joking this actually happened.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-putin-zelenskyy-israel-naftali-bennett-rcna69184 I’d say Christcuckery is viewing armed conflict as intrinsically about law and order, crime and punishment, sin and retribution.
It’s kinda cringe to see a desperate fascist state performing desperate acts as based! based! based! because they’re “getting away with it”, in the sense that none of the individual sinners are getting smited by a larger power.
There’s armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine because there is a conflict of interests that couldn’t (or wouldn’t) be resolved diplomatically. Ultimately Russia’s interests are for Ukraine to be demilitarised and neutral, that hasn’t been the outcome of shock and awe, putting the fear of God, punishing the war criminals, etc, concept of war the US inflicted on the Middle East but nevertheless has clearly influenced the popular awareness of what war is about.
Perhaps that’s because the US simply doesn’t care what they leave in their wake so long as the endless wars remain in the Middle East and the oil safely arrives in the US, but that’s not a workable outcome for Russia when that’s on their own border. Russia can’t achieve their goals by just checkmating the king, they win when the king can no longer command the pawns.
>>2623422Killing the King (Zelensky), Bishops (Oligarchs), Knights (Parliamentarians), and Rooks (Generals) in your retarded chess analogy would compel the Pawns to immediately surrender, or to at least fight with much less cohesion and to collapse quickly, but in the bizarre Z-flavored alternate reality that Ziggas like to live in, leadership decapitation strikes accomplish nothing and should never ever ever ever ever ever be attempted. Ukraine's killed like 10 Russian generals by now and I'm pretty sure that's half the reason they're still able to fight the war, since those losses are irreplaceable.
>>2623422Since Putin is a Christcuck, he's by definition not a person with good judgment, but Ziggas get offended at any suggestion he has shitty judgment.
>>2623440If the ideology that drives people to fight is not dispensed with, you merely turn the conflict from one between professional militaries into an insurgency. By now enough of the professional elements of the Ukrainian military between the top brass and conscripts, that Ukraine already fights like insurgents, but you don’t destroy the desire to commit terrorist attacks in Moscow by destroying Budanov
>>2623440Mostly Ziggas support whatever Putin is currently doing. If he decapped Zelensky tomorrow, for instance, you'd see exactly 0 Ziggas criticizing him for the decision. In September 2022, I said it would be a good idea for Putin to start hitting the power grid and got the usual naysaying and moralizing because Putin wasn't currently doing it. He started doing it in October 2022, and I didn't see one Ziggas complain. Suddenly everything was fine.
>>2623474Your thesis is confirmed by the fact that proto-ziggas were saying that Putin wouldn't "intervene" in Ukraine cause Russia "wasn't like the US".
>>2623474>>2623507You’re confusing analysis with support, not surprising because your critiques go no further than
>The US would do X, thus since Russia is not doing X, that means either Russia is incapable of X or is choosing not to do X to the detriment of their goalsdespite the US having a really shaky record in war outcomes
>>2623440Incidentally, the correct chess analogy for this war is this: Putin opens with a highly aggressive opening, performing an attack straight down the center of the board toward the uncastled king. Then as a "gesture of goodwill," he retreats all his attacking pieces back to the first rank, leaving only a couple of pawns advanced. What follows is a highly closed game with only the occasional pawn break preventing a draw by the 50-move rule. In spite of this highly closed game with few attacking lines, curiously, his opponent's king repeatedly enters mating nets, which Putin refuses to exploit because he prefers an 80-move positional sequence aimed at capturing a knight outpost in the corner of the board.
>>2623519I've noticed you have a tough time reading, and this is no exception unfortunately.
>>2623533 (me)
Oh, and I forgot the best part: Whenever his opponent captures a piece, Putin refuses to recapture the opponent's piece, even when it's the best move, simply because doing so is what the opponent "wants" or at least expects. So basically the opponent has a free hand to use his queen to capture Putin's pieces guarded by pawns, knowing that Putin won't recapture the queen because doing so is what the opponent "wants" or at least expects. Moreover, capturing the queen risks annoying the opponent, who has a propensity for turning over the board when he doesn't get his way, and we can't have that.
This war turned me into a Trotskyist. I used to be ML, but seeing Putin mismanage this war this badly has made me realize that Grover Furr's claims of Khrushchev's betrayal no longer have any basis in reality, since if Khrushchev really had been a pro-Western traitor, he could have behaved exactly like Putin did and OK'd American missile strikes against Russia while calling for peace negotiations. The modern Russian government makes Khrushchev look, in retrospect, like Napoleon conquering Europe. Since Marxist-Leninist political theory immediately collapses in the absence of hundreds of articles blaming Khrushchev, I have now switched out my CPGB-ML membership card for an SEP membership card and have joined the 4th International. I still hope Russia wins the war but I doubt they'll be able to without first undergoing a proletarian revolution.
>>2623507The general is pretty much dead, with only a few diehard stragglers hellbent on defending Putin's softness nowadays but while occasionally making great posts about other stuff, which makes it hard to hate them. 95% of the people I follow on Twitter, Telegram, and YouTube criticize Putin's softness now - in 2023, it was something like 25%.
>>2623592Again, it’s retarded to frame an analysis of decisions made (or not) as support and I guess making excuses. Especially when the alternative is to just to either make comparisons to other conflicts where the US/NATO bombed the state buildings on day one as though that’s proof of the veracity of the tactic in of itself, or simply suggesting eye for an eye would be good because, like, you can deter desperate fascists that way.
Also most cucktin posters are retarded in making an exception for Russia by which comments made by the Russian state are to be taken as honest statements rather than spin. As though any analysis of the facts is pointless because Russia has already given its spin on the matter.
>>2623627>comments made by the Russian state are to be taken as honest statements rather than spinThis sounds like the Christcuck exegesis that makes anything inconvenient a metaphor (but everything else totally the truth). Then again, hard to see how being a Fundie taking everything as literal truth is any less Christcucky. I'm gonna call it a tie for now.
Venezuela general raider posts dropped sharply. Did they move over to here? Any new happenings or counteroffensyiv psyops?
>>2623657The main one is that Russia pulling back to the east of Ukraine and away from Kiev was a goodwill gesture, it’s fantastic if your only interest is framing Russia/Putin as cucked by having the takeaway being the alternative *must* have been Kiev being taken that same day the decision to pull away was made.
There’s a far greater possibility here that the mistake Russia/Putin made was assuming that in the intervening 8 years after the coup, they will have more or less sanctioned proofed their economy while Ukrainians in central/centre-east regions would continue to broadly be skeptical of NATO membership and unassailably hostile towards Banderism/Nazism. I suspect the expectation was that Russia would invade and military districts from Odessa to Kharkov would mostly switch sides immediately either because Kiev falters and doesn't give them any practical orders or because they’re largely Russian speakers and victims of Banderism.
If I’m correct then that’s once again a showing of how powerful Western soft-power is and how applicable their ability to make turkeys vote for Christmas in contexts beyond western liberal democracy is. But that interpretation is vulgar anti-americanism, campist, tankie hysteria, meanwhile believing Russia LITERALLY admitted they chose to lose because of goodwill rather simplifies anti-campist interpretations where NATO/US did nothing in this circumstance and focus can therefore be directly solely at enjoying Russia’s perceived failure.
>>2623726I think the Russian military just realized they had massively overextended their lines in the north and didn't have the logistics to keep the land without getting encircled, and thus chose to pull back and just keep land in the south.
>>2623769Sure but that wouldn’t be a problem if multiple Ukrainian garrisons east of the Dniper switched sides. In any case the facts seem to suggest that Russia pulled back because they made a serious miscalculation in how the first week of the invasion was going to play out, the “goodwill” spin is to my mind to place the blame for the conflict going on for years is on the Kievian government rather than their initial miscalculation. Probably not so hot when directed at Russians who no doubt expected another Georgia and not another Chechnya-like situation, but as time goes on and Ukraine gets more and more destroyed the narrative is that Kiev
asked for this.
>>2623793They asked Russia to pull back from Kiev because "no country can conduct diplomacy with its capital city under threat," and Russia obliged. I see no reason for doubting Putin's account of this. Begging Russia to retreat isn't the behavior of a country in a confident position. Ukraine knew it could not survive, could not sell its stupid hopium, if it had to evacuate its capital city. Russia relieved the pressure tremendously. I think Putin is being honest. I haven't caught him in one lie throughout this conflict. Even the thing people bring up about the North Koreans in Kursk…he didn't deny that.
>>2623909Yes but we also know that NATO flew the British PM into Kiev with a suitcase of promises and plans for resisting Russia, plans that no doubt took into account Russia’s rather meagre initial invasion force. I don’t think the British Prime Minister could stealthily get into Kiev, let alone have Russia think he was dispatched to tell Zelensky to give up.
>Begging Russia to retreat isn't the behavior of a country in a confident position
dude pls don't be naive
>>2624029kek, I see what you did there, and if you didn't, I'm going to pretend you did because it's funnier
>>2623793>Wouldn’t be a problem if multiple Ukrainian garrisons east of the Dniper switched sidesYes the Russian military was counting on large scale defections based on what their informants within Ukraine were telling them. The question is why Cucktin or anyone else would believe in such complacency-inducing stories when Ukraine has basically been engaged in a civil war since 2014 and the majority of Russian separatists had already been defeated and driven back. People side with whoever wins. Back in 2014 it looked like Russia might overwhelm the country but the Minsk Agreements bought enough time for the Ukrainian military to pacify the east, meaning that Russia's expected grassroots support had already been mostly eliminated by the time they invaded. This is just further proof of the total incompetence of the Russian government and the required necessity of replacing it with a socialist government so that Russia can actually win this stupid fucking war.
>>2624222Russia is doing fine if its goal is a Donbass land grab that it can hold for around five years, but it wants to hold it permanently, hence the need to tolerate Trump's insults and to flatter him profusely in ways devoid of self-respect, trying to seize the moment before Newsom wins and ghosts Russia again.
>>2624222>a socialist government just needs to happenYeah and that kind of hoping and praying has been wildly successful in the west, hasn’t it? Perhaps had that worked out better there wouldn’t be fascists running around in Europe strapped to the teeth with US arms in the first place
Trump has just announced the US will be running Venezuela with US oil companies being tasked with extracting Venezuela’s oil.
At least he is being more honest about the US’ intentions in Venezuela than cucktin was about imperialising some nazi-ridden slag heaps in militarily irrelevant villages amirite le inter-imperialist anons?
>>2624326What are you saying? This is le interimperialist war. Why cant you just stop your intellectual masturbation?
>>2624653>This is le interimperialist war. No it's not. It's something much worse. In a true interimperialist war, you don't have one side unilaterally eliminating or attempting to eliminate the other side's leaders while the other side fights a proles-only war. There's some kind of malignant arrangement here.
>>2624708>waah this is le slavic people genocide conspiracy waaahNo, this is interimperialist conflict.
>>2624326no you got it wrong, because you don't pay attention to reality and just try to shoehorn everything into conformity with your infantile disorder. The reasons for the two actions and their circumstances are entirely different.
There is only one imperial bloc in the world today, one evil empire, and it is the primary cause of most conflict in the world (including Venezuela and Ukraine). Any "interimperialist" retards trying to muddy the waters about that are part of the problem.
>>2624716What… no, fool, it's not that chud-coded explanation at all.
>>2624861Whatever, this is interimperialist conflict.
>>2624653>What are you saying?That it's ironic that le inter-imperialism anons have been kind of coasting on the US supporting proxies to downplay their imperialism to "that" of Russia's invasion, but now inevitably that has to be re-balanced in the face of Trump openly stating the US will be running another country and extracting its oil.
He also said that the US is ready to carry out a second, much larger strike if there is resistance. So I suppose cucktin-posters have to explain whether this is what they had in mind? A strike on Kiev, an announcement that Russia now runs Ukraine and carpet bombing the country is dependent on whether anyone has a problem with that arrangement.
>>2624897Russian states humanitarianism and christianity doesnt change the fact that this is le interimperialist conflict.
Like you can mock Russia for winning too slowly in its infantry war against well armed and well supported fascists on their border, but you can't compare it to how the US rolls without expecting to be humiliated by the US proving once again that imperialism doesn't look like war.
>>2624911That seems like a reply better addressed to my
>>2624708 instead of that chud nonsense you thought I was implying. Tho, I hope you realize most of us are taking the piss on Putin's Christianity.
>>2624923WW2 was le interimperialist conflict.
>>2624923RWAPodcast were spamming their Twitter feed with some cope about Ukraine being well-armed and all…without assigning Putin any responsibility for how Ukraine became so well-armed since 2014. Like, no shit, the US isn't going to let Venezuela spend eight years getting armed to the teeth and then, once the war starts, doing nothing to interdict the flow of weapons.
Putin the timid. Putin the virgin.
>>2624923And actually that's what the "humiliation" Russia faces in its conflict with a NATO proxy is premised on, that it looks like a real war whereas everyone knows
real successful imperialism is basically effortless, at least to begin with.
The fact the SMO looks nothing like any US/NATO war since 1991 is not a contradiction with the foregone conclusion that Russia is le imperialist state hell bent on bringing Stalin's big spoon back to Ukraine, it's merely incompetence and therefore funny. This
>>2624966 post sums that up pretty well
>Erm the US just good enough at imperialism to ensure Venezuela doesn't receive support from nations on the other side of the globe, Russia couldn't prevent the EU and its US bases from arming Ukraine to the teeth because they're just retards >>2624983Dont deny it. It is an interimperialist conflict.
There is absolutely no reason that Ukraine should still have secure arms deliveries at this stage, but wahhhhhhhhhh, we can't cause WW3 by doing something about it. The US has no such compunctions, hence its dominance.
>>2624990Putin the careful. Putin the gentle. Putin the delayer of armageddon.
>>2624983>Russia couldn't prevent the EU and its US bases from arming Ukraine to the teeth because they're just retardsBecause they're timid. The weapons still flow in from Poland because the Kremlin doesn't have the nerve to turn off the spigot at the source. The US wouldn't hesitate. Somehow those weapons are still reaching wittle Donbass after four fucking years.
>WAAAAH CUCKTIN CUCK CUCK CUCK CUCK CUCK
>>26250183-hour special military operation.
Even retard Dugin is making fun of Putin now.
>>2624999The absolute state of Putin's Christianity
>>2624990>The US has no such compunctionsIf that were true we wouldn't have Ukraine being used as a proxy, the US would be firing Tomahawks at Moscow themselves already. The US has the luxury of biding its time with sanctions and pot shots until enough support for a coup has been built, because its targets are
>Lacking the technology to retaliate militarily>Politically isolated>Economically ostracised, no loans, no donations, strangled into selling specific resources promised to the world by the US>Geographically far from the US, precluding much in the way of covert operationsnone of which are true for Ukraine, let alone European NATO states.
But that is demonstrative of something, isn't it? That anons can't make a distinction to themselves between Venezuela and Poland, except when they're denouncing BRICS for not being a competing NATO with China or Russia acting as its benevolent dictator state.
>The US would fucken nook Poland in Russia's position
But they're not, are they?
>>2625050>the US would be firing Tomahawks at Moscow themselves already.Ziggas: The US is terrified of entering WW3 with Russia. That's why they're not bombing Moscow with Tomahawks.
Also Ziggas: The US is just itching for a chance to enter WW3 with Russia, so Cuckler should keep cuckin'
>>2625086They don't have to attack Poland. How do the weapons cross into Ukraine from the border? Seems like a 4-year-old mystery of the universe. There's a Ukraine-side spigot somewhere.
>>2625097It's not a zero-sum game.
>>2625109By civilian vehicles by all accounts, bearing in mind the front primarily demands drones rather than the Tiger IIs Ukrainians wish this war was being fought with.
The Champagne will always pick the most retarded and disingenuous interpretation of a statement. The Champagne is not human. The Champagne cannot be reasoned with. The Champagne is a tarpit for the unwary newfag.
>>2625148Yeah it couldn't be that le inter-imperialist conflict is nonsense, I'm just not being very fair with how I interpret your posts. ;__;
>>2625153It is an interimperialist conflict.
>>2625153See what I mean? Look at the sheer force with which I'm being sucked in, the hypnotic temptation to protest that I w-w-wasn't talking about the le inter-imperialist thing. Even seasoned veterans like me have to remain vigilant.
>>2625154Right, just one that seems to cost Russia considerably more financially than they stand to receive, but would remove a significant threat from their borders who have become a handful after 8 years of NATO arming let alone decades if unopposed. However I'm sure that was just an unintended side-effect they'll
probably cope with later.
>>2625164>Day 1 of 30 Minute Regime Change OperationPrivatisation status?
>>2625164Yeah, but did Trump did an ostrich farm in the middle of nowhere in Venezuela? Didn't think so…
>>2625169Still an interimperialist conflict between imperialist fronts.
>but donny he tried to drone my house :'( pls help me americans
>>2625182To clarify, the US has clearly stated multiple times that it wants regime change in Venezuela and steal its oil.
If Maduro's kidnapping doesn't result in the achievement of these objectives, the operation was a failure. It's like claiming Russia won, because they successfully carried out the destruction of the Cuckrainian powergrid
>>2625188No, he'll be all sanctimonious about not being like those evil Americans - until a week later when he's flattering Trump again and sending Kirill to deepthroat him some more.
>>2625188Will zelensky drone putlers dacha but for real this time?
>>2625209My take:
Ukraine wasn't trying to kill Putin but wanted the Twitter bragging rights of blowing up one of his residences.
However… now that Ukraine has seen what a champion of cuckoldry Putin is, they're pondering whether they should go for an actual kill.
>>2625196>but donny he tried to drone my house :'( pls help me americansIt was objectively pathetic for Putin to call Trump and whine about it. Then pathetic to hand a proof package to the US lmao. I just don't understand these cuckies sometimes.
>>2625217They wont risk putting the Iron Dimon in charge by eliminating Putin the Martyr.
>>2625200I think that's a fair test, but the Venezuelan apathy I saw on display today convinces me the US won't have any problems.
This is what is meant by the darkest times of reaction, a global imperialist hegemon ransacking the world and killing millions in even-sometimes-identified genocides while mfs think they can get away with
>I don’t support that, but erm, please explain to me why I should care about stopping it? They should just be like, better.. or more socialist, that’s right they should just be more socialist than we’ve achieved for me to care
>>2625249Medvedev talks a big game but gives some concerning "tells" like his acceptance of the Drumpf negotiation process as a legitimate exercise. If I were a Ukro/NATO decision-maker, I'd also be asking myself "Well, where are these so-called Russian hardliners? Surely they're pretty impotent if they let Putin disgrace Russia like this?"
Speedy Maduro Operation
Man, I've seen even friendlies ridiculing Putin today. This isn't good…
>>2625360Pretty easy to understand why Agent Z with his brass balls would rather be under American influence than Cucktin influence.
I can't fucking wait until Trump drops his inevitable Truth Social post calling Putin pathetic… and then Putin and Kirill go crawling back to him. :-/
>>2625164Putin looks like such an underachieving dweeb today.
>>2625514Cucktin gave weapons to Venezuela, they just decided not to use them
Western leftists…ehh…voooted for Mamdani?
Cucktin still wins, albeit the bar is so low it's making a dent in the ground
>>2625571How the US treats Maduro after 3 hours vs. how Putin treats Zelensky after 4 years. Zelensky is supposedly trying to kill Putin now, and Putin does fuck all. I hope he pays the price this year for all his cheek-turning.
I hope next attack on Putin succeeds for being such a cuck talking big all the time but when the world needs him actually sucking that burger dick
>>2625591Yeah I’m sure that’s really the motivation
>>2625602>>2625598Yeah whatever, kill him already, I don't care. I'd probably like Belousov for president. He seems like a no-nonsense hohol remover.
>>2625602That said, if your reaction to the US invading yet another country is to gloat about it on a leftist board instead of organizing against US imperialism, you should kill yourself.
All western """leftists""" not currently actively doing sabotage should get Odessa'd!>>2625609You too kill yourself
>>2625621>Belousov Meh… I'm with Doctor Gilbert Lolcow Doctorow. Need someone young with some basic street smarts.
>As for Russia, the message should be crystal clear to President Vladimir Putin that he does not and cannot have a partner in Donald Trump. Russia must proceed on its own path to resolve the Ukraine war, and as I have been saying in recent months, the sooner the war is ended, whether by a decapitation strike on Kiev and other decision-making centers, or by storming Kiev with ground forces, the better. Russia now has a window of opportunity that it should exploit without hesitation. If President Putin is unable to act decisively in this sense, then he should resign and pass the torch to someone in a younger generation who is level-headed, has proven experience at high levels of the government and is decisive, not wishy-washy. You gotta fight, for your right… to not caaaaaare about thirdies!
>>2625598Some fresh blood would be nice, but I haven't seen anything to be excited about on the likely bench. You can't stubbornly ignore the law of retaliation like this, thinking you're somehow exempt. It's like stubbornly trying to ignore the law of gravity by jumping off a building and flapping your arms - a wretched sight to behold.
Why doesn't Russia just obliterate the Ukrainian military from the air like America did to Iraq?
>>2625840Because
1) Iraq didn't have the full might of NATO/Warszaw Pact behind it and was already starved out by sanctions and the gulf war
2) Ukraine is composed of gigachad Soviet cities that were built to withstand a nuclear war, every Ukrainian village is a concrete fortress more formidable than Baghdad
>>2625840Are you crazy? The ghost of kiyv is in the air…
>>2625840Russians thanklessly built up the defensive capabilities of Ukro cities for decades. This is the only reason Ukraine has been able to keep positions in Donbass for so long.
>>2625360Zelensky could have surrendered 4 years ago and saved lives of hundreds of thousands of men
>>2623640Chud Dugin's descent from heavy Kremlin stanning to Great Cuck Theory disgust continues:
>We lack for completely real elite on the level of problems that the history put in front of us. That is global phenomenon. To be the part of elite you have to have a spine. Not money or useful contacts. Not even creativity. Something else. It can be could "radical subject". >@AGDugin
>I doubt that the sovereingty now can be reduced to the possession of nuclear power. It is not that simple. The fact of having nuclear power doesn't stop anybody. This weapon either has to prove its validity or to be discard at all. We are in new reality. In the war and elsewhere
>>2626409fascists threatened Zelensky's life if he didn't support war
<Even before the 2022 full-scale invasion, when Zelensky was elected on a peace mandate, groups like the Right Sector and the National Corps warned they would resist any peace plan they viewed as a betrayal of Ukrainian interests, specifically mentioning he could be "hanged on some tree" if he made concessions. Take 2 minutes to rank your namefags:
https://strawpoll.com/w4nWWOoPYnAPutin is like a virgin mc of ntr story while trump is ugly bastard
>>2626481Bad week for Ziggahood.
- Zel tries to kill Putin, Putin too afraid to do anything
- Putin getting mogged by Donny Dump
>>2626485All drones attacking Putin were intercepted, though? Like, what's the military benefit to attacking a random ass civilian target?
As for mogging: naaah. Attacking civilian targets changes nothing, again. Besides, Russia has to negotiate with retards around the globe, while USA is a schoolyard bully (until China beats him into submission)
So with Putin's envoy Kirill Dmitriev out there the past several days criticizing communism, the KPRF has an opening to criticize his Trump fanboying and his porkie attempts to sell out Russia to the enemy. This would probably play extremely well in Russia given the absolute state of Dmitriev's Telegram replies. Alas, the KPRF is a controlled-opposition party more concerned about the Yeltsin Center and Khrushchev.
>>2626497>what's the military benefit to attacking a random ass civilian target?Not interested in arguing with mouth-breathers.
breaking: the return of the Zigga interception-rate cope and military bean-counting cope
kek, in a parallel universe, Mexico fires almost 100 drones at Trump in an attempt to kill him. Trump, pleased that "all drones were intercepted" and that his death would have "no military value anyway," decides to do nothing.
>>2626498Mods, permaban him for kprf slander.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2625621>raging russian hypernationalist subhuman🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
how come russia keeps losing? is it because they have commie ideologues on their side?(Rule 12 - low-quality reactionary content)
>>2626478Reminder to do your democratic duty
>>2626478 >ITT: I'm anti-campist but I get sooooooo excited when the US displays its power to cuck other countries/movements, that I spend most of the time denying exists to MLoids, tankies and russia cheerleaders
>>2626630Multiliberaloids are not communist.
>>2626630No, it's because they don't.
Putin brought back the Christoid era of Nicholas II.
It'll be a miracle if he can finally get Donbass this year and then hold it for more than two more. I've managed my expectations.
>>2624977>Putin the timidPutin isn't capable of appreciating grand spectacles, and neither are his autistic meatpacks with their pocket protectors. They are aesthetically primitive. They don't appreciate the destructive beauty of the Banderite leaders facing their end under Oreshnik plasma blasts… the booming, perfectly timed message heard around the world that Russia is back and will no longer tolerate double standards. It's like trying to get a bunch of anime manchildren to appreciate Gothic art. No tastes.
>>2626742Thr exact opposite is true.
>>2626748Not up for discussion.
Part of the problem is that the Oreshnik doesn't actually exist and is a clumsy psyop as Putin begs Trump to return to arms treaties and not deploy missiles all across Europe. Dnipro (one of the few cases where the Ukroid name is better) attack was an RS-26 with an inert warhead, and from the pictures I've seen, the damage was as to be expected - minimal and overhyped. The psyop didn't work, so Putin tried rolling out a new psyop with the nuclear-powered cruise missile and the nuclear torpedo. It's not even clear how many working nuclear warheads Russia has - I'd assume enough leftover Soviet warheads to pose a threat to NATO, but other than that, hard to say.
>>2626773 (me)
>I'd assume enough leftover Soviet warheads to pose a threat to NATO,My logic is
1. that the Kremlins are too inept to hide a critical state of the nuclear program
2. that if there were a critical state, NATO would be bombing Moscow with conventional missiles
Seems like Maduro's VP has taken the reins in Caracas and been on the phone with both Lavrov and Rubio, talkin' 'bout working with both and all that shit.
However, Venezuela has demanded the return of Maduro and declared they won't be a colony again.
>>2621794There are some far-right people in Ukraine, just like there are in Russia, and Germany, and France, and Japan, and practically every country.
The lie that the Kremlin is perpetuating is the idea that the Ukrainian state is controlled by Nazis. Obviously this isn't true. Zelenskyy is Jewish for one thing. Also Zelenskyy dismissed his ambassador to Germany after the ambassador said something that was seen as too sympathetic towards Bandera:
>Ukraine's Zelenskyy dismisses ambassador to Berlinhttps://www.dw.com/en/ukraines-zelenskyy-dismisses-german-ambassador-andriy-melnyk/a-62420442Here is the true leftist position regarding the invasion of Ukraine. Putin's imperialist invasion of Ukraine is unjustifiable. Both Ukraine and Russia should make their own democratic decisions regarding their own destinies, as long as those decisions are within international law. Human rights and democratic rights are fundamental.
>>2626821Is there a single Nazi statue in Russia? Doubtful. The Russian state doesn't tolerate that shit. There are Nazi statues in Ukraine, though, which admittedly have more of a chance of being destroyed by Cuckler than the Nazi government.
>>2626832There are apparently Nazis from Russia, pic related. Source:
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20251204-atrocity-competition-russian-neo-nazi-group-rusich-ukraineThey may even be funded by the Russian state, since they are apparently part of the Wagner Group, which is itself funded by the Russian state:
>a far-right unit within the Wagner Group called Rusichhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/russian-mercenaries-in-ukraine-linked-to-far-right-extremists>Russia's president has said members of the Wagner mercenary group were fully funded by the statehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66029382The truth, as I said, is that both Ukraine and Russia have some far-right people within their countries. That doesn't mean Ukraine is a Nazi state. Arguably Russia is closer to fascism given their imperialist invasion of Ukraine and their greater intolerance of progressive social policies (e.g. LGBT rights).
Russia should never have launched its imperialist invasion of Ukraine. Both Ukrainians and Russians should be able to democratically decide the fates of their respective countries, as long as their decisions abide by international law.
>>2626836Not really what the post suggests, is it? Interesting fantasy you’ve dreamt up though
>>2626839>Not really what the post suggests, is it? It is. You're just desperately trying to find a win.
>>2626840Seems like projection to me with all that emotive language about “fishing around for scraps”.
>>2626841Your dumb world view isn't coping well.
>>2626842I’ll try to remember that as I see the rates of anti-depressant usage in the US and EU continue to increase
Speaking of Lavrov, he should face a war crimes trial in The Hague along with Putin, Shoigu, Peskov, etc.
>>2626821you should get boiled alive
>>2626821>Ukrainian state is controlled by Nazis. Obviously this isn't trueyeah, who could say they control the ukrainian state just because they are in control of the army, the security services, and the secret services
you fucking retarded moron
>>2621915>that statuette BLACKED ARMY SOLDIER
>>2623440>Killing the King (Zelensky)You're a fucking moron.
>>2627109>Lana "Sati" Chornohorskа, a servicewoman from the Ukrainian Volunteer Army<anarchistevery fucking time
where's that webm of the ancom flag turning into the Right Sector one?
>>2625598Lukashenko should've been the president since 2000
>>2627109>face tattoo>anarchist>when your entire identity is about evading work<dies for the nazisClassique anarcho-retardism.
>>2626940Delulu. In a just world Laveov would get the Nobel Peace Proyz
https://suspilne.media/1199212-kirilo-budanov-pro-vikliki-pered-ukrainou-na-kinec-2025-roku-resursi-rosii-ta-logiku-trampa-intervu/Budanov: Russia is building a strategic reserve. They're surpassing their production quotas, without NK help. Economic collapse unlikely. Russia is forming new brigades, Ukraine isn't.
>>2627294>reddit hoholnazi germany
>gvntherhimself as EU in TFR
>>2627294gunther gives off micro dick chud vibes
>>2627109holy shit they got greta thunberg ?
>>2626838Ukraine is a Nazi state, retard.
Have the western libs done enough “but Venezuela is ackshually Russia’s dream OP” damage control for the US in the anti-campist arena?
>>2627791Those dachas and ammo dumps near the ostrich farms in Donbass don't know what's about to hit them.
>>2627791Pretty cool, but no doubt the next we hear of it is one Igla-armed Geran shooting down another Geran by accident and that memory hole'ing any times it may have worked as a concept
>>2627820Much like the busified conscripts charged with their defence
>>2627837Yes, those conscripts pulled from the Bandera concerts in Lvov and Kiev. Oh wait, I mean the Russians in Odessa who can't afford the exemption bribe.
>>2627987Well those are the ones who surrender, innit? Thousands of them every month apparently.
>>2627989If the untouched Nazi leaders don't order them to be droned while trying to flee, yeah.
>>2627992untouched but their blocking drones are still funded with Euros, Dollars and Pounds, mind you.
heheh
>be russian-friendly prole vanned by ukropigs
>get killed by russians on the way to the front lines before having a chance to surrender
>get killed by ukros when you try to surrender, or…
>get imprisoned in siberia as an enemy combatant
>"thanks, cuckler!"
>>2627994Are you heheh'ing that you're paying for this instead of schools and hospitals?
By all means dickheads, we can go at this all day until we reach the core of exactly why you're so pleased with yourselves
Uh, what did I tell you stubborns? The Champagne cannot be reasoned with. The Champagne is not human. The Champagne will always pick the most disingenuous/retarded interpretation of a statement, if not see things that aren't there. Failing this, The Champagne will pick the most uncharitable interpretation of complex emotions. Your tragic laughter will be taken as sinister laughter. Quit tarpitting yourselves.
>>2628000>complex emotionsI'm sorry, I didn't realise you needed a cry about supporting Nazis lol
>>2627246Budanov always drops 'realist' talk when he's fearing for his life, probs thinking it plays well with the Russians that there's a 'realist' there. Then when he sees he's in the clear, he's back to saying what he really believes.
>>2628015Remember when NATO fellas were chanting "more united than ever"? Good times
Neither Washington nor Moscow
No war but class war
>>2627996Mods permaban this man, NOW!
Trump: "I don't believe that strike happened" (strike against Putin's residence)
The Yanks must've thrown the Russian military intelligence into the trash.
Never fear, Putin will send Kirill to Wait for Trump harder.
Your opinion of Iron Felix:
https://strawpoll.com/mpnb1lXaEy5Your opinion of Chagos poster:
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVL8JGn3Your voice matters, anons
>>2628470Can you stop with this namefaggotry please
>>2628607Ok but only because you asked nicely.
My only wish is that the chickenhawks cheering either side of this interimperialist massacre get cancer and die a painful slow death
>>2628653I've said before that, as someone who's been Very Online since the '90s and cares about only my digital experience, all I care about is watching the Zelensky regime and NAFO losers get demoralized, seeing as they're the most obnoxious and annoying pieces of shit I've ever experienced in my time online. But since Putin refuses to deliver the spectacles required for this, I've started to despise him immensely and will now cheer on any efforts that could get him replaced by a Russian stronk hardliner (larpers like Medvedev not welcome).
>>2628712The problem with it being a chud meme is that they're unable to make
>Gay ass goals like "denazification"into
>Gay ass goals like "fighting Satan" >ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLY
Has this ever happened once in these threads? All I see is unequivocal swallowing of moskal imperialist propaganda
>>2628712Read this you illiterate retard.
https://www.amerikanets.com/p/virtual-warAnd let me see your CV. Have you an actual military education? No? Then no right to speak.
>>2628101>Mods permaban thisAm I imagining things, or has the "mods permaban" meme gotten tediously out of hand all of a sudden the past week or two? Seeing it way too much in multiple threads.
>>2628848It's the same guy who posts
>le interimperialist war/le [something]>the struggle against imperialism is a sham and a humbug>mods, ban this X>china is in the stage d of imperialism as described in anti-duhring>etcall over the place. Not sure what this endgame is
>>2628761Has Russia won anything even virtually?
>>2629001Yes, they excel in e-sports.
(Couldn't resist.)
>>2628851does autism need an endgame
>>2628851>>2629092Fighting for their right to be passive about US imperialism, which is not uncommon on leftypol.
>>2629108Lenin said that the fight against imperialism is a sham and a humbug
>>2629112And ChampSoc says the fight to downplay US imperialism despite its global hegemony is cringe, fail, AIDS, etc
>>2629112"It would be a very big mistake to think"
- Lenin
>>2629118You are merely providing a bridgehead for opportunism
>>2629142Quitting antidepressants and legalised opiates is not opportunism
I wonder where IntBrig is these days? If the much admired Ushanka could return, perhaps so can he.
>>2629324Unironically my hope is that he did start writing that book after all
>>2628712>successful mission>3 Hour Regime Change OpoerationLet's see…
It's been 3 days already and the US achieved:
>Regime status: Bolivarian Revolution still in power>Oil industry status: Still owned by the Venezuelan stateOh right, nothing.
The US has stated their objectives quite clearly several times, but still couldn't achieve any of them. Kidnapping Muhduro did fuck all. Inconsequential PR stunt, like the Kupyansk counteroffensiyv, which hasn't been retaken after
3 weeks of pysop spam!This is a failure. Saying otherwise is cope.Leg status?
>>2629324Intbrig has probably already eaten a Russian drone. Good riddance. That filthy lib.
>>2629475>>2629481good to have you back
>>2629475Just came in. They are beginning to admit the "Special 30 Minute / 3 Hours Regime Change Operation" was a failure.
Unrelated note:
My name got removed again. Whoever changed anything on how this board functions, fucked up, because this problem didn't exist back in the day.
>>2629511>Fascist states are good at making weapons.German tanks were shit
>>2629511>Let's face it. America is a fascist state. Fascist states are good at making weapons.We know for a fact though that they're not making enough of what they actually need, and what they are making isn't all that good.
Pyongyang, January 4 (KCNA) – A spokesperson for the Foreign Ministry of the DPRK gave the following answer to a question raised by KCNA on January 4 as regards the fact that the U.S. wildly violated the sovereignty of Venezuela:
We are paying attention to the gravity of the present Venezuelan situation caused by the U.S. high-handed act, in connection with the increase of instability to be added to the already weakened regional situation.
The incident is another example that clearly confirms once again the rogue and brutal nature of the U.S. which the international community has so frequently witnessed for a long time.
The Foreign Ministry of the DPRK strongly denounces the U.S. hegemony-seeking act committed in Venezuela as the most serious form of encroachment on sovereignty and as a wanton violation of the UN Charter and international laws with respect for sovereignty, non-interference and territorial integrity as their main purpose.
The international community should recognize the seriousness of the present Venezuelan situation, which caused a catastrophic consequence to fixing the structure of regional and international relations, and raise voices of due protest and denunciation against the U.S habituated violation of sovereignty of other countries. -0-
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/b69ec08c77c5568fba03b352471a1777.kcmsfPyongyang, January 5 (KCNA) – A sub-unit under a major firing strike group of the Korean People's Army conducted a missile launching drill on January 4.
The drill was conducted as part of the operational evaluation of the sustainability, effectiveness and operation of the DPRK's war deterrent while evaluating the readiness of the hypersonic weapon system, verifying and confirming its capability for fulfilling mission and developing the missile soldiers' firing capability.
Kim Jong Un, general secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea and president of the State Affairs of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, oversaw the launching drill.
The respected Comrade Kim Jong Un said that it is a very important strategic task to maintain and expand a powerful and reliable nuclear deterrent through the sustained verification of key components of war deterrence and the improvement of its performance and the mastering of operational capabilities.
He said, appreciating the drill:
"Through today's launching drill, we can confirm that a very important technology task for national defence has been carried out.
The missile soldiers showed the readiness of the DPRK's nuclear forces without regret and gave confidence in it.
Important achievements have been recently made in putting our nuclear forces on a practical basis and preparing them for an actual war. This potential is an outcome of the Party's line on building up the national defence and its policy on attaching importance to defence science and technology and a valuable result of our outstanding scientific and technological group.
We must continuously upgrade the military means, especially offensive weapon systems. It is just an essential undertaking for self-defence. In addition, to make the rivals recognize the constant mobilization of our strategic offensive means and their fatality itself in a steady and repeated way is an important and effective mode of exercising war deterrence.
To be honest, our such activity is clearly aimed at gradually putting the nuclear war deterrent on a highly developed basis. The reason why it is necessary is exemplified by the recent geopolitical crisis and complicated international events."
The hypersonic missiles, launched from Ryokpho District, Pyongyang Municipality, to the northeast direction, hit the targets 1 000 km away from the East Sea of Korea.
Kim Jong Un expressed thanks to the sub-unit participating in the drill for opening the prelude of the first combat drill in the new year with amazing launching and fully displaying the striking capability of the strong army, and extended New Year greeting to all the officers and men of the missile forces doing their best in carrying out their combat duty across the country and devoting themselves to their responsible duty for national defence.
He expressed expectation and belief that all the missile forces would remain faithful to their sacred mission as a reliable shield for defending the sovereignty and security of the DPRK by fulfilling their consistent and responsible combat duty under iron discipline.
Among the spectators were Kim Jong Sik, first vice department director of the Central Committee of the WPK and Jang Chang Ha, general director of the Missile Administration of the DPRK. -0-
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/a144e2e9766c22b0dd1e5d6f08399c2d.kcmsf>>2629494(Not so)glad to be back, but I missed you too. 🤝🫂
>>2629511>Fascist states are good at making weapons.And communists are way better at it.
>>2629608And better than the A10 too
Looks are subjective. My favourite remains the SU27
>>2629534>Their historical research was also still primarily based upon one-side data. They simply were not allowed to access the German archives and regardless they knew that they should not be publishing Soviet casualty figures or any negative comparisons.<disproving Soviet superiority by quoting propaganda pieces by NazisLol, lmao even. Soviets had full access to German archives through the proxy of CAPTURING FUCKING GENERAL ARMY COMMANDERS ALIVE. Unlike retard historians who don't even do a proper research of archived reports from the frontlines, Soviets had both the frontline reports of their own, such as mountains of German corpses, as well as direct reports by living witnesses - Paulus, for example. This whole "b-but Soviets in 1945 didn't have access to sacred German archives!" is a typical number cruncher delusion
>>2629684>>2629534And as for Soviet casualty, figures, there's for example this memoir
https://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/galitsky_kn02/index.html written in 1973 which quotes SOVIET ARCHIVAL EVIDENCE OF SOVIET K/D SUPERIORITY OVER GERMANS, which is still top secret stuff because it shows Germans as losers
>>2629108>Fighting for their right to be passive about US imperialismkek, this dork is more concerned about the passivity of leftypol posters, who have no power, than the passivity of his leader cucktin, who can do no wrong.
>>2626625cucktin's fellow humiliation fetishists can only enjoy when you're frustrated. they get off on that. if you finally realize the futility of complaining about him on the internet and opt instead to laugh at him, they lose their minds.
>>2629324IntBrig is watching all his favorite alt-media YouTubers criticize Putin's inane restraint. He can't take it anymore.
>>2629705No. The United Russia cuck grip on Russia is too strong. Who would want a guy like Slutsky running a gas station anyway? His response to the assassination try was to fellate the US negotiation process even more than Medvedev, and as for Zyuganov, his party is more concerned about dunking on the guy who saved Cuba from imperialism than on the guy whose global projection of weakness has screwed Venezuela and placed Cuba in the crosshairs.
>>2630081 (me)
Aside from the Duran Bros (esp. Mercouris) and various other chud-aligned Westoid alt-media bros, one of IntBrig's favorite YouTubers is the Russian Levan, who went on a flabbergasted rant about Putin's restraint in response to the assassination op + attack on nuclear triad:
https://youtu.be/25xh-o-KIMI?t=1620
>As I predicted, by the way, Moscow has no intention to escalate with the, with the West to this yet another attack on Russian nuclear triad, and therefore I guess this story will die down. Uh, like that earlier, initially, you know, very many commentators on Internet said that well Russia will now use Oreshnik missiles and will strike decision-making centers in Kiev. There Russia will hunt down Zelensky and other leaders of this terrorist regime in, Western-backed terrorist regime, uh, that is running certain parts of this former Soviet republic, and I said straight away that I don't think Russia will even retaliate. I don't think Putin will make a political decision and will untie the hands of Russian security services of the Russian military to take whatever actions they think are necessary to deter our enemies, not just on the Kiev-controlled territory but elsewhere too. And I was correct by the way. How many days passed since that attack? Like more than a week now, isn't it? Did you hear anything about the decision-making centers being attacked in there either on the controlled territory or in the Kiev itself or in NATO member states that were directly engaged in this attack on Russian nuclear triad? I have not heard nothing. Have you? No. So, it is what it is, right? Um, one day I'm losing, not losing, I lost completely, by the way, understanding of, uh, this restraint of the Russian president in regard to, uh, Western enemies of ours, right? In regard to Western ruling class and their actions. And I'm not even going to try no more to understand what the hell is going on, man. Because I have never ever seen military operations being conducted in this way. https://youtu.be/25xh-o-KIMI?t=4345
>There are number of countries, among them Cuba, that is our next term, and they will, who going to stop them, you tell me, by the way, you know Russia is too far, uh, Russian president already demonstrated million times that he has no intention to escalate with the West, right, he's seeking de-escalation and friendship with the, with the western elites, with the Trump especially, right, Trump and his team. Uh, I don't freaking understand what, what's going on in that strange relationship like Putin-Trump or, and so on. I, I truly don't understand it. No one does. I guess except Putin himself. So Russia cannot help Cuba, by the way, right. Under the different leadership, maybe Russia will say you know what, you, you touch Cuba, we will obliterate you, right. >>2627679>Rules for being allowed in this photo: The West didn't dare send drones over the Russian homeland to try to kill you.Potential rule #2, stay tuned over the next few years: America didn't dare attack Cuba.
>>2629496I think it has something to do with CloudFlare. I've noticed if I namefag and then idle for a bit, my browser doesn't delete any cookies or whatever, but when I start posting anyway, I lose the namefag and usually get send timeouts, having to refresh and let CloudFlare do that annoying check it does.
Anyway, I'm not sure why you're so optimistic about this Venezuela situation. If the current regime basically gets terrified and caves to every US demand on exports and on geopolitical ties with China/Russia, that's even more of a Yankopath win than a costly and risky full regime change. Compliant current regime will lull the Venezuelan population to sleep.
Isn't that basically the Russian plan for Ukraine? The Kremlin has shown no desire to remove the current regime and is trying to make it compliant.
My board crush Tankanon has told me a few times that I shouldn't try to live vicariously through Putin, that I shouldn't seethe in an envious rage that he has the power to play against US imperialism and I don't, so I see no reason not to take him at his word. Putin is the player, not me. I'm a passive object :) I'll sit back and watch Putin do his…thing.
>>2630125But uh well Putin has different approach, different attitude.
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Neither Zelensky, neither any other mass murderer uh from that that are in the
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leadership of this Western backed terrorist regime in Kiev was um targeted and neutralized by Russian
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forces and I believe not because Russian militaries or Russian security services cannot take them out but because they
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have no authorization to do so. And uh yeah, I don't know
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uh why Putin is operating this way, but uh yeah, it's he is a president. So
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hopefully he knows what he's doing. I mean, let's say this way. Hopefully at least he himself understands what he's
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doing. And uh and uh uh hopefully he he also understands that while exercising
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this constant restraint or constantly exercising this restraint, he personally
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is inviting on Russia and the Russian citizens more and more trouble because
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this restraint involves big-time Western ruling class, right? because they don't
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see this restraint as a uh Moscow's attempt to find some some political
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solution or to find some some path towards the deescalation. No man, they
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don't see it like that. Western ruling class sees this restraint of the Kremlin as a weakness of the Russian president,
30:45
weakness of his team. That's how they see it and they are saying it openly. Western ruling class, representatives of
30:51
the Western ruling class have said on numerous occasions that they think Putin is bluffing. They think Russian
30:57
leadership is bluffing and uh they just not take not no longer taking seriously anything that comes out from Moscow
31:05
and they are saying it openly man now I mean it is what it is right hopefully at
31:11
least Putin himself understands what he's doing man because I don't and there
31:17
I can imagine very many people here in Russia and their Russian friends outside
31:22
uh they also don't really understand what the hell is going on with this strange stuff, man.
Rare moment of clarity from Christcucks With Attitude:
>@RWApodcast
>Just as I detest braindead comparisons between Venezuela and Ukraine, it would be just as wrong to explain the US success in abducting Maduro PURELY through betrayal by Venezuelan officials, even if that almost certainly played a major role. Beyond that, and beyond sheer capability, there is the issue of, well, Resolve.
>The belief that you are justified - and entitled - to do what you want to do, no matter the consequences. Americans are almost unique in how easily they manufacture this resolve, on the flimsiest grounds imaginable: "WMDs", the "Cartel of the Suns", whatever fits the moment. However, that kind of resolve is essential for success in any war.
>The start of the SMO was exhilarating PRECISELY because it signaled that the Russian state had finally generated enough resolve to deal with a long-festering problem head on. But the longer the conflict dragged on, the harder it became to sustain that resolve and to impose our own rules of the game.
>That phase is now over, whether anyone likes it or not. It’s show up or shut up time. The ridiculous and unnecessary kidnapping of Maduro has raised the ante globally, and it will not be possible to sit on our hands much longer.
>Unlike the comparatively harmless Maduro, we face a very real enemy that is dead set on destroying us. They have names, and addresses in Kiev, and many were DIRECTLY involved for years in murders and terrorist attacks against Russia. Worse, most of them continue their "work" largely uninterrupted. 2026 will put our leadership's resolve to the ultimate test.
Christcucktin has apparently been out of public view. The Ukros are saying he's doing the hide of shame, the Ziggas are saying he's planning something big.
>>2630374He has to assess in the cuck bunker if its safe to come outside without being kidnapped.
>Chechen commander Kadyrov says if order is issued, Zelensky and his associates would be brought to Grozny even faster than Maduro was taken to the United States
Uh… based low-key cuck posting?
>>2630374Maybe he's just doing his job, anon. Russia is a big place, not everything there has to be in relation to the shitty backwater of ukraine.
>>2630374He was replacing his blood with that of chinese virgin maidens using leech-mediated therapy recommended by Xi Jinping. However FSB agents replaced the leeches with ones picked from Limpopo which fed on the largest and fattest African alligators, causing Vladimir Vladimirovic to bloat up like a balloon
>>2630377I don't think either take is correct. I think Christcucktin is preparing for his Christcuckmas celebrations.
>>2630413lmao. Vlad Cuckler strikes again! The US can't believe its luck that he's happy to ignore everything escalating while he gains a piece of territory one year, only to lose it in a following year. He's still trying to get back to 2022 gains and is literally begging Trump to let him win.
How progresses the Putlerian Jihad, comrades?
>>2630548Still kissing Trump's ass with no self-respect, so probably not good.
>>2630441>They won't be able to recover the bodyToo bad you didn't bother to post this clip when Int and the rest were gloating about body exchange ratios. Everyone with a brain understood that the reason the Russian tallies were so much lower was because a lot of the time they didn't bother to recover the bodies. This zero-ing out business just confirms it.
>>2630830finally going full mask off eh
doesn't even make sense since the video talks about the russian side recovering the bodies
>>2630548You can probably tell from all the childish seething that Russia is winning on all fronts.
>>2630943What the fuck is that flag to the left of the rainbow?
>>2630958Banderist flag with some drone unit's insignia
>>2630962Well it looks like shit. A shame Russia didn't FAB these wastes.
>>2630951>Also, RU AF are 12 km away from Zaporizhzhzhzhzhzia now.Considering what we've learned about drones extending the "rear" beyond the LOCC, they've pretty much already arrived haven't they?
>>2630943Wow an actual example of lgbt supporting people who throw them of buildings
>>2621617>https://archive.ph/44B9QThis article in the OP is by a Jewish Supremacist newspaper that supports the Gaza Genocide and the zionist entity. Do we have a better source?
>>2631098I mean you can just reverse search each image from that article
>>2631111We should not be promoting jewish supremacist terrorist newspapers on leftypol
>>2630830For some reason, Ziggas don't want to admit that the reason the exchange ratios are so lopsided is that Ukros don't bother collecting most of the Russian dead, knowing that Russia will still return the Ukro dead almost for free.
Reason the thread is so quiet is that Putin's Christcucks are celebrating Orthodox Christmas, btw.
…so after the New Year's faggotry and now the Russian Christmas faggotry, maybe Putin will start the year with something bold and audacious, as opposed to advancing and retreating the same dachas he's been doing for four years, still struggling to get back 2022 territory.
>>2631233It's the same
after peace deal cuckoldry they've been doing for a long time now. They're not yet willing to deploy forces
during the war, and frankly, there's no need given Christcucktin's wheel-spinning in Donbass and inability to reclaim the territory he
gesture of goodwill 'd in 2022.
>>2631222it's because you killed it uyghur
>>2631242Nonsense. It's because the previously heavy copy/paste posters like IntBrig are being hit on all sides from their favorite sources criticizing Putin now, and they feel betrayed.
>>2631257I'm sure that criticism is going to reverse Russia's months of gains. Any minute now.
>>2630358Yeah, I wonder how Martyanov will spin this lol.
>Muh Military Academy>Muh CV>>2630346Will never happen since cucktin yearns for approval from the west. He was defending pinoshit in 1993.
>>2631294>I'm sure that criticism is going to reverse Russia's months of gains. Any minute now.Russia reverses its own gains by eventually retreating. Had more gains in 2022. If it was confident it could hold these gains, it wouldn't need to tolerate Trump's insults.
>>2631343>Will never happen since cucktin yearns for approval from the westYeah, the flattery campaign of Putin crying that Trump didn't receive the Nobel, and sending Dmitriev to lick Trump's balls, shows that he's not confident in his own devices and wants America's help. Any leader with confidence in victory and self-respect wouldn't be fellating the primary aggressor (who gloats in its media about giving Ukraine ISR and also the targeting info that kills Russian civilians) and pretending it's a mediator.
t. mass banning Christoid Z folks I've been following who are celebrating Christmas.
Christoids have done enough damage in this war with their nonsense.
>>2631404Or blocking, rather. I WISH I could ban them.
>>2631361Agreed. I used to be a hardcore Zegroid but since the mass cuckening after the prigo putsch i realized the cuck was living in a bubble where russia is all powerful but it's like an 80 year old grandpa thinking he is 20. Russia is incredibly weak and pathetic and if not for the relics of cold-war political/technological infrastructure, he would have been Maduro'd a long time ago. Putin is hoping to win the war on the west's terms or at least for the west to accept him into the club of "white nations" because russians feel deep insecurity that they are not considered white by euroids due to the mongol invasions and shit like that. Trust me I've been around to know that russians have been called the "uyghurs of europe" or "white uyghurs" for quite some time (especially by czechs and austrians). It's actually really depressing. If a pissed-off anti-american american becomes the president of russia, he would do a better job than cucktin. He would just tell the truth to the public, go work at a military factory and most of the russian public will drop their shit and follow him. He would also actually hit the "decision making centers" within 30 minutes of becoming president. You guys probably have to ask yourselves:
>Maybe Trump has Epstein stuff on Putin? >another cucktinposter circlejerk fixated on perpetually relitigating 2022 and saying the same things that will change nothing over and over again
ok, check back down the road
>>2631427kek, I wasn't the fastest to realize what a weakling Putin is. Start of the SMO went brilliantly. I didn't care about the infamous retreats either. Surovikin's actions in 2022 reassured my rising doubts. Prolly around mid-2023 is when I finally woke up. Only around five of the two dozen people I subscribe to were calling Putin weak. Now it's almost everyone except two or three. The June attack on the nuclear triad was what I thought would be a big conversion moment, but it wasn't. One big conversion happened around August with no obvious connection to any provocations. Then the second big conversion happened recently with Putin letting the assassination op slide. Of those few folks who still defend Putin, I don't know that one of them counts, because he pushes Ritter's hopium about Putin deciding to target the Kiev regime, so it's easy not to see Putin as weak when you're convinced of all the ballsy moves he's supposedly gonna do. Mercouris, someone I follow unlike Ritter, was like this as well most of 2025, saying his Russian sources were telling him about all the big Oreshnik strikes on the regime coming.
>>2631427>>2631464 (ME)
>If a pissed-off anti-american american becomes the president of russia, he would do a better job than cucktin.I meant to reply to this part. I'm unironically convinced that this war would be over by now with a complete and total Russian victory if Zelensky were Russian presdient. He has the right mentality but lacks the military capabilities.
As for Putin, he still pounds his meat every night over the SPIRIT OF ANCHORAGE. Sad old fool.
whatever happened to the ukraine collapse cope? Are we still into it?
>>2631542Ukraine won't collapse - in any sense of the word - while Putin is president. Between his gesture-of-goodwill retreats, his humanitarian corridors, his unilateral 30-day-extended-to-6-month energy ceasefires (that he adheres to when Ukraine immediately violates them, adhering in order to "show dem" who's reasonable and who's not, lmao), his refusal to touch a single person in the Nazi regime despite terror attacks and assassinations, etc., no chance whatsoever.
squatsonsAug 2024Its about to get wild everyone, big arrows are back.
squatsonsOct 2024Oh man the collapse is accelerating.
squatsonsAug 2025Now we will witness what casual people refer to as the "collapse", now that all of behind the scenes collapsing has visibly reached the front.
>>2631559Killing Zele while not being able to destroy Nazi regime would achieve NOTHING. Have you not seen Venezuelan debacle?
>>2631569>hopium and copium of superior russian military academy bullshit and that old geezer dinosaurs know more because of some shitty mathematical models from the 80sBut it's the truth, though, drones didn't change the overall battlefield conditions. It's like very annoying to deal with grenades and missiles.
>>2631562First, I didn't say to target Zelensky or only Zelensky. Second, those who think it would achieve nothing don't understand the foundations of the Ukrainian war effort. Third, the only reason people doubt the success of the Venezuelan operation is that they're coping that Trump is lying about getting all of the oil and having a compliant government there - maybe he is lying, but it's too soon to tell.
The usual Zigga excuse for why Putin is too scared to eliminate the Nazi regime is that the regime members would be replaced with competent people. This is rich given that this regime repeatedly conducts terror attacks on Russian soil that Russia is too incompetent to detect and stop.
>>2631575American military is NOT competent. It's as hell entitled, though. People trying to replicate that entitlement - both Ukrainians and Israelis - get spanked hard.
What we are currently in right now, is the world appeasing Hitler. This time around, however, world seem to be hell-bent on letting Nazis stagnate peacefully
>>2631569>You know it's bad when Christoforou and Mercouris get into spats over the cuckiness of putin.Yep, they were massive apologists for years. A certain missing flagman here regularly dumped their apologetics and whined about le ignorant cucktinposters who don't understand le genius of Putin's restraint.
Fast forward:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMwOpb8iFBg37:58 So once again, Putin depended on Trump and
38:05 and it keeps on backfiring on him. Yes. I don't know how do you how do you establish your red lines again when when
38:12 it's obvious that the intel agencies uh UK, European, and US as well as the
38:19 the leadership much of the leadership uh believes that that you have no no deterrence and no red line. So they
38:25 they're going to push as as much as they can. Well, what I think is going to happen and this is what I think. I don't
38:31 think Putin himself can ever fully reestablish that red line. I mean, he
38:36 said back in 2024 that if missile strikes happen against Russia, that is a red line and it must
38:43 not be crossed and if it is crossed, there will be devastating retaliation.
38:48 Uh missile strikes happened against Russia. I mean pre204 Russia in November
38:54 2024 and he did not retaliate in the way that he did he said he would. Admittedly
39:00 the strikes were ineffective but a major red line was crossed a red line which he
39:07 himself publicly said. I've discussed in many places we've discussed in many programs that most of the red lines that
39:14 people talk about where Putin is concerned are not red lines that he ever set. But this one he absolutely did set
39:22 he set it out himself. So he didn't enforce his red line.
I will say that one good thing about the Duran bros is that they understand, unlike too many Twitter/Telegram mouth-breathers, how Putin's display of weakness wrt the Ukraine matter has had massive strategic consequences beyond the immediate theater in Donbass.
(If Ukraine would rather Putin the Retreater retreat from Donbass now than in a few years, they should rename it to Donaldbass. Dmitriev will then force Putin to retreat immediately so they can erect a Trump statue there.)
>>2631579>American military is NOT competent. They are competent. They can topple any non-nuclear power government, set up a puppet state in the ensuing civil war using the countries own citizens to fight for them while effectively keeping it's enemies on the backfoot and taking resources. It might not be able to take over completely but it doesn't need to.
>>2631586American military can get anything done ONLY of the other side doesn't fight back. Both Iran and Venezuela didn't, because they would much rather make sacrifices than to start a war
Venezuelan officer: the country's army was ordered not to interfere with the actions of the United States during the capture of Maduro in order to avoid invasion
Lieutenant Colonel Edgar Alejandro Lugo Pereira from the active reserve of the Venezuelan army named the reason why the troops did not interfere with the actions of American special forces in their country.
According to Pereira, the Venezuelan army was able to repel the attack, but did not do so, fearing a more serious invasion.
Moreover, the officer claims that the government of the country has given the army an order not to act, as it adheres to the principle of dialogue.
>>2631020It's like they're trying their hardest to be hunted for sport after the war is over.
>>2631631>American military can get anything done ONLY of the other side doesn't fight back. Even when they fight back it the result will be a minimum of hundreds of thousands of local population deaths and destroyed infrastructure, eliminating them as a threat for decades at a time. On the other hand American military isn't close to defeated in any significant way but leadership simply decided the costs are more than the benefits. Even their most notorious loss in Vietnam was 60k Americans vs 1 million Vietnamese. 60k might seem a lot but that is only one ancient Chinese battle and a fraction of their entire military strength. Not to mention Vietnam is now on of Americas best friend.
>>2631663the fact this is still 3 years and all this is, is just taking a bit of dirt, is grim
>>2631579>American military is NOT competent.I agree. Now back to what we were discussing…
>>2631669>Even their most notorious loss in Vietnam was 60k Americans vs 1 million Vietnameseit was more. Official American statistics were lying, it seems like. As a fact, Vietnamese disaster has bankrupted USA in all but name, forcing it to start a war on poverty (which they lost lol), fail at keeping manufacturing jobs, loss in technological race to Japan, etc etc. Hell, USA capitulated in Vietnam so hard they had to stop attacking China in order to even the scales with USSR.
>>2631663Putin retreated from Kharkov in 2022, and he'll retreat again inevitably. He has no real designs on Sumy and Kharkov - or even Odessa for that matter.
Even the current Kupyansk action bobs back and forth from week to week. There's no real commitment there. It's an attempt to put pressure on the Kiev regime, but they don't feel any pressure because they know what he's trying to do flopping around as a coward who won't hit the regime or open a real high-pressure front in Kiev.
>>2631677or putin is waiting for ukraine to eventually exhaust itself.
I know meme but ukraine cant really fight forever. Eventually its going to run out of people that will fight
>>2631679Doubtful. There's a reason he and Kirill kiss Trump's ass so hard.
screenshot this. Ukraine will lose badly in a year. Everything that happened in the final year of south vietnam will happen to ukraine
Pfft you take off what, 24 hours? And the thread is decried as dead and NAFOids declare victory over the thread because of orthodox Christmas? lmao
>>263169124 hours without kremlinbots (due to Russian Christmas) and reality sinks in again…
Really makes you think..
>>2631676>Official American statistics were lying,It could have been 100.000 more and it would still not be defeat.
>Vietnamese disaster has bankrupted USA in all but nameIs that how they kept on building their military to be even bigger and more powerful?
>fail at keeping manufacturing jobsThey actively outsourced them.
>loss in technological race to JapanJapan is their vassal state. Anything they accomplish they can take.
>they had to stop attacking ChinaChina was a nuclear power by the end of Vietnam war. MAD was in play by that point.
>in order to even the scales with USSR.Which they won.
Leftists vastly overestimate the value of guerilla fighting and what it can accomplish. For every successful guerrilla campaign that was built up into conventional warfare so it could win there's dozens of failures. China has good reasons to invest so heavily into a conventional military.
>>2631722NAFO shitposting has increased coinciding with a Christmas Ukraine used to celebrate but moved to the 25th, although of course there was NAFO shitposting on the 25th as well. If they’re not bots, then, damn lol
>>2631722Yea, I noticed. There are like four or five hardcore Putinists who don't do anything here but defend Putin's honor when he's insulted, all flagged and all absent on their Christcuck Orthodox Christmas. I'm sure it's a coincidence.
In recent days, the Kremlin has been going hard on anti-cuck messaging because of the sharp rise in Westoids and Russians alike calling Putin a cuck after the assassination / nuclear triad thing and after Trump embarrassed him. Nobody is buying the excuses about Ukraine being heavily armed, because they know who's responsible for letting it be armed.
So we're getting not only Medvedev rageposting even harder (if that was possible)… we even have the Kremlin's friend Kadyrov out there thumping his chest about how Russia could do the same if Putin gave the order.
It might not be Christmas celebrations for the Putinistas. It might be a regrouping and discussion of how to proceed on boards like this one.
>>2631744It’s orthodox Christmas today and I’m here, but I’m glad you’re accepting that you lost so hard in the arena of debate you’ve no choice but to cry about bias and looking for circumstantial evidence of that bias
>>2631752Nobody cares about your position. Everyone who matters has come to reason.
>>2631756You can’t both say
>waaaah you’re a putinist and you only care about defending putin because you’re such a putinistas well as
>no one cares about your positionSomeone clearly does
ChampSoc asked Putin to give him some maps of eastern Ukraine this year (specifically, Donbass) so he doesn't comment from a position of complete cluelessness on Ukraine.
Not to mention getting schizo tin-hatted about orthodox Christmas and flags not being here literally 24/7
>>2631760Oh hello again, nice to see you’re still around
>>2631758lol @ that. Whatevs, let's run with it. I am glad to hear that you will never tell the "NAFO bots" that nobody cares about their position.
>>2631765No U anon also making an appearance, wow
>>2631768I'm sure that means something to you.
>>2631770We just need no caps anon and the gang is all here
>2631427
>I used to be a hardcore Zegroid
sure ya did, /pol/
>>2631771Yikes, okay, take it easy on yourself.
Actually didn't even have you in mind as a flaggy Putinist, but I'm also not sure why I forgot to include you.
>>2631775Oh yeah, now I know why. I was talking about absent flaggy Putinists, and you clearly weren't absent, having posted half an hour an hour before me, so including you would've jammed up my Christcuck conspiracy.
>>2631775Why are you talking like this is a sitcom?
>>2631777I'm assuming you're drunk or doing a parody of me as a 'schizo' or something, because your posts have stopped making any sense at all to me.
>>2631782Putin hasn't been fighting Nazis for years. They're all safely running the country or parting in Lvov.
>>2631786 (myself)
partying*
>>2631786Ah sort of like how the Red Army never really fought the Nazis, merely German proles while eventually the Nazis shot themselves in their bunker once their Jagermeister ran out and the party was over
>>2631789I wouldn't say never. Putin fought Azov in Mariupol and then released the commanders to Turkey. But the unironic Nazis are pretty much chilling out in western Ukraine, prancing around the country in leadership positions, or doing ambassador roles like Zaluzhny.
>>2631793Your counterargument to my claim that Putin isn't fighting Nazis nowadays is to show pictures of Nazis whom Putin isn't fighting? Hmm.
ChampSoc really is retarded.
>>2631793>But theyre in Turkey guys.jpg"
Commanders to Turkey."
You dumb motherfucker.
>>2631799You should probably tell the protestors that because they seem to be unaware the
commanders were freed or don’t care?
I'm going to elaborate. This is a good demonstration of ChampSoc's poor reading comprehension and poor everything.
The post says Putin released Azov commanders to Turkey during Mariupol, and his broken brain reads that as Putin releasing all Azov fighters to Turkey, and he thinks he's such a giant of argumentation or something by posting a pic of demands for these other fighters to be released.
It's really sad. Tragic even that he doesn't know how bad his comprehension is. Sadder than the Donbass ignorance, even.
Interimperialist conflict
>>2631806Where is the soyjak picture? Why use arrow without soyjak picture?
>>2631808 I'm quoting myself as a repeat public service announcement. I'm not successful enough in life to be a soyjak.
>>2631813Ah it is you quoting yourself
I mean…the easiest way to show that Putin is still fighting Nazis is to scour through Ukro Telegrams. Pretty sure you can find Azov sticking its neck out in some battles. But instead he goes for the most retarded approach.
I'm considering Cucktinposting and then anti-Cucktinposting my own Cucktinposting just to make things more challenging.
>>2625571>Cucktin gave weapons to Venezuela, they just decided not to use themI heard he gave them bullets, which if true means he thought the US was as stupid as he is and that it didn't learn the lessons of the twentieth century.
>>2631820>gaveYou mean sold?
>>2631801>reading comprehensionThe point anon wanted to make was
>They're all safely running the country or parting in Lvov.>But the unironic Nazis are pretty much chilling out in western Ukrainehowever that's not true if 700+ Azov soldiers are still in captivity and their release is still being demanded. It's not that I couldn't read "commanders", it's just that saying the commanders got released doesn't prove that anon is correct in saying
all Nazis are partying in Lvov
The next thing I have to disagree with is
>or doing ambassador roles like Zaluzhny.he fled the country, whether that's because the rumours he was targeted directly were correct or because he was exiled in disgrace because of his own military failures, that's still not evidence that Russia isn't serious about fighting fascism.
Like, the retardation is in thinking unless you're assassinating "great men" individually, then nothing else matters. This thread has been awash with people very excitedly making comparisons between the US's
decades of working over Venezuela three hour SMO to kidnap Maduro with Zelensky's continued freedom/existence, but they've apparently over-estimated how important it is to remove a leader in the expectation that Venezuela would immediately collapse and turn over the state to a US puppet. Such is the folly of the great men theory.
>>2631820 (ME)
… there's Iraq in the 21st, I guess, but the US lost less than a tenth of the soldiers lost in Vietnam. Somewhere around 5,000 soldiers. Compare with Cucktin.
>>2631826>nazism is defeated by individually killing each soldierDamn
>>2631826>decadesWhat? At least 20 years?
so would a russian and ukraine stalemate still be a good thing
>>2631828It's defeated when Nazis go from hyping up the volk as the ubermensch to reducing them to cannon fodder. That you can have super sekret CoD Black Ops missions to sneakily take out the great men after years of mass indoctrination and have that win a war against the ideology itself is idealism.
>>2631826When one says that Putin fought Nazis in Mariupol and released the
commanders to Turkey, it's pretty obvious that the regular soldiers weren't so lucky to be released to Turkey or anywhere else, otherwise one wouldn't bother to qualify the statement with
commanders, because one would instead be able to make the stronger statement that Putin the Meek released everyone.
>>2631834Reducing people to canon fodder is actually a victory of it.
>>2631836Yeah but that wasn't a standalone statement, was it? It was presented as an example of Russia letting
all Nazis party in Lvov, which it isn't.
>>2631837Only if you see war, win or lose, as an end in of itself. Which fascists do not, they to a degree genuinely believe their own propaganda about being the ubermensch and reducing that to sending people with HIV to the front merely to delay the inevitable is the chimpout that follows the acceptance that they were wrong. Busification is not just desperation, it's also spite and people will recognise that.
Appearently the US is still chasing the tanker Bella 1 (lmao even houthis are better at this) and Russia send some submarine to protect it (which doesnt seem like cucktin at all), or atleast thats what western news glowies say. What do you guys think? Putins red line being some oil is hilarious.
>>2631840>muh beliefs, muh subjective experienceYeah…
>>2631840The idea (a hyperbolically wrong and baitish one, I admit) is that Putin last fought Nazis in Mariupol. Many died, many got captured, the commanders got released to Turkey. I don't know why you'd read it to mean that the regular meat also got released and is now chilling in Lvov, because then instead of saying that Putin the Meek released the
commanders, you could roast Putin the Meek even harder by saying he released
everyone. It would be significantly more damnable to say he released regular Azov back to Ukraine. No, it just seems disingenuous to read it as saying everyone was released.
There are lots of Nazi ideologues in Lvov who've never picked up a gun in their lives.
>putin gave weapons to venezuela
Putin the generous. Putin the charitable.
>>2631822>You mean sold?Wouldn't surprise me if I assumed too much generosity.
>>2631840>thinking of politics in terms of personal sentimentHoly Shit!
>>2631855>I don't know why you'd read it to mean that the regular meatWell there's your issue, if by "regular meat" you mean the Azov soldiers that are still held aren't
really Nazis. If that's the point that must now be made, that only the commanders are "real" Nazis while the rest of Azov were just having a bit of a laugh.
I stress again, if anon says
>They're all safely running the country or parting in Lvov.then "all" includes the Azov soldiers Ukrainians are currently still demanding the release of and complaining at Zelensky for not having freed yet, pretending like only the commanders released matter when claiming
all Nazis are safe and sound is being disingenuous.
>>2631872>muh beliefs, muh ideological convictionsWhat the fuck man? A soldier is a soldier is a soldier. No time to learn his ideology, he is soldier, he obeys orders, he is disciplined.
>>2631840>Putin hasn't been fighting Nazis for years. They're all safely running the country or parting in Lvov.Seems like a pretty desperate read of "all" to interpret it as "literally every Ukrainian Nazi still breathing is either running the country or parting in Lvov" - when the follow-up post says that some of these breathing Ukrainian Nazis ended up in Turkey.
If I say "I haven't been using condoms for years - they're all lying around in my drawer," would you really interpret that to mean that even my used condoms from years ago are lying around in my drawer? Weird.
>>2631869Well certainly it's Ukraine and the west that thinks "Putinism" is an ideology that the Russian population must become disenchanted with to win, missing the fact there isn't an ideology behind survival than survival itself. The 90s weren't good, no one wants to go back to that, NATO and Ukraine indulged themselves with fantasies of forcing Russia into a situation worse than the 90s.
>>2631882Look man I don't care if you think I should have cared more about the word "commander" than the word "all", because "all" came first and was anon's intended point. The rest is just being pissed off that
>free the azovstal defendersdisproves the point anon was making rather than proves commanders weren't released, even though anons really really wish I were attempting to.
>>2631891Were you the anon who wasted the thread’s time with
>I think Ukraine would have negotiated honestly and diplomatically if circumstances were differentbecause that’s not the same thing
>>2631894Rent free, holy shit.
>>2631896You should take a break.
>>2631890You posted that "free the azovstal defenders" pic in response to the 'commanders' post, so it was clear that your really weird interpretation of 'all' was no longer tenable.
>>2631899I wonder whats inside thats so important.
inb4 the tanker contains undisclosed epstein files.
>>2631898The weird interpretation of “all” meaning… you know,
all.
If you say “all” nazis and then quantify that with
commanders were released then you’ve already undermined your own point, the free the Azovstal Defenders protests are demonstrative of that because it’s specifically Azov fighters being held and considered heroes in Ukraine because they’re like the OG neo-nazi militia in Ukraine who agitated for war for years.
If you think those soldiers are “merely” soldiers and don’t count as card carrying Nazis, then that’s your problem for being a Nazi apologist lmao
>>2631906 (me)
*most ideal conditions
>>2631906So, uh, le interimperialist conflict then?
>>2631909What does card carrying mean?
>>2631906Then since it said 'all' Nazis - you know,
all - why didn't you object by posting Nazis in Greece or Sweden or something?
It's just funny watching you spin so much because you made a boo-boo with the pics.
>>2631909>quantify that with commanders qualify, btw
>>2631914Again it’s not my fault if anons got really excited over the belief that I was trying to claim commanders weren’t released, now disappointed because actually the original point that “all” Nazis in Ukraine are walking free was obviously retarded.
>>2631916My face is red, now you can’t possibly address the post. You know what the typo was supposed to be, but you can’t mentally swap out the words can you?
It is hard to know the exact numbers because the numbers are probably increasing.
>>2631912Case in point
< Russia isnt revolutonary so it must be an imperialist no capital is cannibilising its extractive frontier in recation to crisis, that frontier is not suddenly a equal partner is the structure.
>>2631914i'm not champsoc and im not talking to you, i just got here and am gesturing about the content of the whole thread
>>2631923I dont see how either nation state's destruction is a victory of progress over reaction.
Such a retarded hill to die on
>All Nazis are walking free in Ukraine
<Oh erm actually I just meant the ones that I care about, like Azovstal commanders and Zaluzhny, you can’t take “all” so literally that’s so disingenuous
fucking wild the shitfit started over a claim that it’s *my* reading comprehension that’s failed here
>nato is going to force the 90s onto russia
Really? How?
>>2631929By depriving the gas station with nukes of customers for their gas, I believe was the plan
>>2631930How? Euros do need energy. And russia has custumers in china and other countries?
>>2631930If you call russia a gas station you might as well call usa a gas station too.
>>2631928No, I'm enjoying the spin-machine defense of the hyperliteralist "all." I'm glad we have established that as a precedent.
>>2621806>all the young people have left the country or are hiding from the TCCThis isn't correct, Kampuchea. It's not true that all young people or all the young Banderites have left the country.
>>2631933You’d have to ask NATO, they seemed to think they could command the entire world outside of their own organisation despite apparently not even having total control within themselves
>>2631926>destroythere's the spectacle brain talking, nothing so immense as 2 nations destroyed will happen, the war will further accelerate the divide into regional markets that, by the mathematical formula of the crisis of profit, suffer more crises quicker with weaker security apparatuses to stop them developing into progressive change
>>2631933the euros are not a command economy measuring demand in 'need'. Increasing supply at cheaper prices (re; client state) for primary goods is always beneficial and crucial to keeping margins with a stagnating consumer base
>>2631941>hyperliteralist spin on “all”Lmao
>>2625146>By civilian vehicles by all accounts, This isn't true, ChampSoc. Not all accounts involve civilian vehicles.
>>2631943So, interimperialist war then?
>>2628749>All I see is unequivocal swallowing of moskal imperialist propagandaThis isn't true, TankAnon. You also see your digital device that you're using to post.
>>2631947Well ones that would like to avoid suggesting Ukraine commits war crimes, probably not those accounts. I’m not going to argue for hours and simply just agree that was hyperbole
>>2631943So you are describing the course of history and making russia responsible for this course?
The U.S. Coast Guard has successfully boarded the oil tanker after a roughly two-week pursuit, according to a U.S. official briefed on the operation. The U.S. Coast Guard encountered no resistance or hostility from the crew, the official said.
The ship has been secured, according to one of the U.S. officials.
Neat
Why is champsoc so against of this war being called an interimperialist one?
>>2631948the nature of these blocs would not be equal, a multipolar world will not be one of equal ratio: primary, secondary, tertiary sectors with an equl distribution of shareholding and foreign investment. The war itself has proven that globalism can evolve around sanctions. Thus the hypothetical western bloc will still be primarily driven by a financial vehicle of exporting capital in shares to their overseas clients at a disproportionate rate to their competitor blocs (russian natural recourses, chinese industry) that will define imperialist structure
>>2628851I offer you a truce so that we can go back to using casual 'all'.
>>2631841Its not Putin's red line, it's the red line of being turned into a rerun of Gaddafi's impalement fun that would be Cucktins fate if the capitalists surrounding him get tired of the constant cucking hurting their profits.
>>2631961I’m very hyperliteralist about the word “Imperialism” as well. But that’s it, just that word and “all”.
There were no Russian vessels in the vicinity of the Bella 1 when the U.S. Coast Guard boarded the ship, according to two U.S. officials, averting the possibility of a stand-off between U.S. and Russian forces. - NYT
Lol
>>2631961Unironically because Cucktin would never do imperialism. ChampSoc resents that he can't use such a strong, irrefutable argument, but I can. The man doesn't have it in him. He got dragged kicking and screaming into going into Ukraine in 2022. He's been looking for an
respectable off-ramp at every turn.
>>2631957Russia is the opposite of responsible if they had it their way they would have enmeshed themselves into the imperial core in the 90's and achieved yeltsins dream. They didn't because in the wests moment of victory, why would western capital add more mouths to the newly largened pie of labour surplus? when they could feats for themselves the divident and could exlcude russian booj as 'merely' compradors, a peripheral client supplying gas and il at cheap prices (and thus less surplus for them).
As the crisis of profit worsens in the west (espc post 2008) the only way to maintain margins is for further deprivations to the price of raw materials; meaning the russian booj themselves must eat shit as a explicit western client state. Thus the foreign policy shift to encircle and subordinate the russian capitalist state and thus their counter-reaction.
>>2631962Are you saying there are no and will be no interimperialist wars?
>>2631975Stay mad that we Cucktin posters are the best defenders of imperialism accusations and all other propaganda-based accusations against Cucktin.
Enjoy your long-ass arguments with all the anti-campist trolls. We checkmate in one line and go sip lemonade.
>>2631979>clientAre you calling russia a client state?
>>2631980There were inter imperialist conflicts in the nascent stages of capital development as each European states mercantile behaviour meant they developed paralel and equal capacities in industry being supplied by imperial extractive relations. 2 World wars and then the post cold war globalism have rendered that model obsolete and the enitre world has trended towards specialisation into specific industries that trade with each other; one large imperial engine. Globalist trade surviving intact from the recent spat of conflicts means that the multipolar blocs will inherit their position in the globalist hierarchy of surplus extraction. Now disunited and not in a global anti-comintern
>>2631976>If I don’t wake up in a nuclear wasteland tomorrow, I’m going to be so smug at how weak Russia isAnother trope in recent years that there’s something inherently based about creating scandals that don’t actually achieve anything, thus retaliation unlikely.
>but doood the optics, the humiliation, the virtual victory, the US is going to now continue for 1000 years because I’m hyped as fuck bro let’s gooooo >>2631987Thanks for the ship lol
>>2631990Thanks for admitting you’re a yank so I can piss and shit myself publicly about bias. Trumpist!
>>2631989they are a rebelling client state in a managed frontier war, western capital continues to fund the Russian war effort through proxy purchases of their gas as much as they equally intentionally fund Russian defeat in their immense subsidy to ukraine. These transactions prove the continued nature of the globalist economic system that russia remains a subordinate member of. Its just that capital is willing to fund its own division and decline out a fiduciary need to supply dividend in the short term.
>>2631989i didnt ask global capital to model financial relations this way, take it up with them.
Any* fear-mongering propaganda claim about Putin can be handled thus:
"Cucktin is too weak to do that."
Try it, and you might be surprised what Russophobes are willing to concede.
Bonus: "The nukes don't even work."
<* Hmm, I shudder to use 'any…claim', but is using 'most…claims' justifiable? Perhaps 'some…claims' is best, though in the predicate logic, 'some' merely means 'at least one', which seems underpowered for my message. I'm really hoping we can have a truce on casual quantification.
>>2631994How was russia a client state? How?
>>2631995I don’t care about the word any, go ahead.
>>2631976Yes, it makes Cucktin look pathetic, but after the assassination op with no response, making Cucktin look pathetic offers diminishing returns. As long as he holds some dacha in the Donbass for a few years, he's happy.
>>2631994Russia is subordinate to capital you say. Arent all states?
>>2632003The entire russian state apparatus are christians. Called it. Russian state, therefore, is christian in nature.
>>2632002Where does the obsession with Putin specifically come from anyway? Also kind of rude to the oceans of Ukraine flags that were raised in the defence of “some dacha”
>>2632009Putin has charisma, thats why.
>>2632009As our friend TankAnon reminds us, only Putin and Xi are fighting over enough hard power to fight US imperialism.
>>2631998more profit value is added up the chain of production from natural recourse extraction, into industrial manufacturing into services. You dont see an imperial core of mines and gas refineries ruling over white collar colonies do you? Therefore your position in the chain of extraction is parallel to the position of a given states bourgeoise position in the intra-booj hierarchy. of course all of them want to be at the top but someone has to be the shitty c-tier booj who 'only' runs the mines and so they compete and create competitive blocs; both horizontal (in value) and vertical (nation state)
Yeltsin's (then putins) goal of Russian membership in NATO would be emblematic of allowing their nascent bourgeois to reap the rewards of the top of the value chain and getting into the club. they were resolutely rejected, forced to 'only' (in bourgeois terms) manage primary recourse extraction to supply the core and history unfolds to now.
Note: everything I've said is a game of aggregates not absolutes, all nations have all industries its a question of proportion that decides decision making.
>>2632015Presiding over, rather
>>2632016(me)
both horizontal (nation state) and vertical (value) wrong way round
>>2632016How was russia a client state? Am i undertanding the word client incorrect? What was russia getting out of it?
Champsoc, do you think russia was a client state?
I dont understand this guy. Is he saying russia kept wages low to appease west? What? Is he saying west controlled russia?
>>2632003That's a good example of why I call them Christcucks With Attitude. I posted one of their rare wins a day ago:
>>2630346Seems they're back to the old cope tricks.
>>2632021the russian bourgeois were getting the dividend of their sales, but that is far less than the iterative value added of manufacturing and especially services. That lesser wealth means a subordinate position in global relations and represents a failure to compete in the market. When the capitalist roaders of the CPSU dissolved their own state and conceded the cold war their intention was that this action was worthy of integration into western tertiary services as a new member. They were refused in the competitive interest of western capital and here we are as they divide themselves into wekaer blocs
>>2632026You dont choose to keep wages low you have low wages whether you like it or not because primary extraction isn't price competitive otherwise. Further up the value chain, the western core is suffering an increasingly acutr crisis of profit (as seen in the current state of their consumer base and job sector growth) which they can temporarily resolve by making prices even lower further down. requiring antagonistic action to discipline periphery states so they fall in line as why would they accept even less profit?
>>2632034(me)
acute
The Russian boomers just don't get how much they've killed their deterrence.
<…
<willing to kill the head of state by proxy <= you are here
<willing to kill the head of state themselves
<willing to bomb Moscow with conventional arms directly
<willing to bomb Moscow with nuclear arms directly
Cucktin's latest displays of cucktinism have been a little too much for me. If there is no serious response in 72 hours I'm dropping my critical support.
>>2632043> If there is no serious response in 72 hours I'm dropping my critical supporthow will he live without it?
>campism is a vehicle of developing revolutionary conditions
We must all apologise to champsoc now. He wasnt campist in principle. He was tactically campist.
>>2632043the cucktinlologists were right.
>>2632044>how will he live without it?By dickriding the west like he is doing right now.
SPIRIT OF ANCHORAGE status?
Kirill Dmitriev surfing-in-Florida status?
>le world dividing into blocks is good, actually, because uh, this will accelerate le collapse of le capitalism
>>2632024Take any NAFOid on Xitter and if we’re being completely honest with ourselves, in 2022 did they really expect that
>a. The conflict would last this long, well beyond the reports of Russia running out of money, tanks, missiles, meat in two weeks>b. The latest “own” everyone is excited about is the US military boarding a civilian Russian vessel in international watersbecause I don’t think they would have expected that. If anything they must be longing for the days when “Saint Javelin” was going to secure a swift victory for Ukraine and a demonstration of the state collapsing power NATO has even outside of the third world.
>>2632046ChampSoc isn't dumb. He knows the risks with Putin's restraint. He just likes blowing some steam like we all do.
>>2632058who on earth was expecting a swift Ukrainian victory especially after the first couple of months
>>2632063NAFO, Ukraine was going to bonk Russia and democracy would be non-negotiable
What does it mean when russians end their texts like this(((
>>2632063NATO high command, who would have ordered ukraine to shepherd their recourses and dig in instead of committing their generated reserves to the counteroffensyiv
>>2632062He is tactical campist, since campism is a vehicle of developing revolutionary conditions. Even Lenin was a campist during russo-japanese war.
>>2632068 (me)
*if they didn't believe in Ukrainian victory
>>2632014lol
>>2632044He is so obviously weak and unable to handle anything people below him will be tempted to get rid of him. When will the next coup attempt happen I wonder?
>>2632066European sad emoticon
There's a small chance RWAPodcast (Christcucks With Attitude) might be taking the piss.
>>2631574>drones didn't change the overall battlefield conditions.How can you still be in denial in 2025? Like How? Drones are THE tool preventing mass formations to assemble to prepare an assault. Either as strike packages or recon systems integrated with arty.
>>2631994>didnt deny being a modernizerYou could have said that you arent.
>>2631582>how do you how do you establish your red lines again whenKinda sad how they were constantly defending mystical red lines when the cucktinposters were right from the get go.
The truth is hard to swallow. Russia sucks at war and putin knows this but has to save face. War in russia was used as a tool of social cohesion not an actual instrument of geopolitics like in the US. I hope china is not as cucked, but no guarantee.
>>2632047>the cucktinlologists were right.Maybe, but I want to be wrong. I hope Cucktin can find a spine. I'm open to the possibility that I'm blaming the wrong guy. Something isn't right about Dmitriev, Abramovich, and their ilk.
>>2632084because I wish i wasnt and i was asking you to refute why our present structure isnt that, give me a world where the perfectly positioned proletarian base of the imperial core get the job done in oppurtunity window of '45 to the 70's and ill rejoice. Instead we're here, in the short term they got bought off but the optimistic long term development on modernism is that the crisis of profit hasnt gone anywhere. The short term success to liberally 'democratize' class relations has only widened the scale of the ensuing crisis now enfolding. even under their best condition capital fails to competently manage itself.
>>2632057>There are plenty of other answers under international maritime and jurisdiction. There will be an answer. There's no doubt about it.Based, didn't know Putin had a secret Telegram account.
>>2632063>who on earth was expecting a swift Ukrainian victory especially after the first couple of monthsMost of Nafoid twitter, western media, Biden, EU/Nato leaders and bureaucrats… etc. And especially after couple of months.
>>2632105Really cringe novelisation of
>drop a handful of US military guys on a civilian ship>Tell the crew to shoot and watch the US be reasonable about it But it’s interesting what EU libs will say about this, it’s a breach of international maritime law AND framed as something Trump is allowed to do anyway because he can do whatever he wants wrt to Venezuela. But since the vessel itself is Russian, I’m sure neither of those points matter anymore.
Dont these big ships have security in them?
>>2632118Yes but against pirates, not the global hegemon looking for a good headline tomorrow
>crew expendablen't
The Christcucktin humiliations are snowballing fast the past week or two.
>assassination attempt / nuclear post
>Venezuela (ally, unfavorable comparisons)
>seized Russian ships (x2)
>no end in sight in Donbass, questionable permanence of gains
>questionable permanence of gains
Hopium
>>2632130Fair point.
Highly questionable permanence of gains.
>>2632117I thinks its limitedly correct, contextual to the core divorced from the truth of undergirding extraction necessary. From a peak point of class conciosuness post ww2 the proletarian base emprycially were liberalized through economic development and liberal democratic organs. But that the continuing truth of contradictions outside this bubble undermine its desired otucome long term .
>>2632131What do you base that on? Because that was the case with Ukrainian gains?
>>2632132If one examines postdialectic conceptual theory, one is faced with a choice:
either accept subcapitalist narrative or conclude that reality is part of the
fatal flaw of culture. Sontag uses the term ‘dialectic capitalism’ to denote
the role of the poet as writer. However, the subject is contextualised into a
subcapitalist narrative that includes sexuality as a whole.
https://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/ >>2632135Russian mismanagement. I want to see that this is going to be a Crimea situation and not a 2022 situation. I want to see how serious the Americans and Euros become with their war machine, how much economic pain they're willing to tolerate to bootstrap it, and how much propaganda their populations will swallow.
End of war + 5 years is the first milestone.
I think part of the obsession with proving Russia has been humiliated despite its perseverance against all but open conflict with NATO because the US/West has been unsatisfied with every war they fought since WW2.
Beyond just every war being compared to WW2, think about the media depictions between something like the Gulf War were the plan to use technological might and bomb the enemy into submission goes swimmingly is depicted as depressing because
>Ahhh I need to shoot someone and do real soldiering just watching the airforce clean up is driving me insaaaaaaaane!
and the jingoism the Gulf War allowed for the War on Terror backfiring and pushing US soldiers into something that looks slightly more like a war then also being depicted as depressing because
>Ahhh my buddy stepped on an IED and died, the terrorists have got me jumpy and that's why I shot a child, I'll never reintegrate into societyyyyy!
with both having a suspicion of being cucked by wives and girlfriends in common.
Russia's performance in Ukraine isn't going to change the suicide rates in the US military guys.
>>2632126>seized Russian ships (x2)It was blindingly clear that this would happen, since back when the French forcibly boarded some random Russian oil tanker a few months back Cucktin also did nothing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqxz1wvqvzqoI literally called it saying that if Russia did not respond this was going to open the floodgates to more of these attacks and the West would begin to start openly hijacking Russian tankers. And now it's actually happening and Champ is still running defense for Cucktin just like he was months ago when that previous incident happened. I fucking hate Russian nationalists. They are retarded and will accept anything the West does. It's in their DNA just like it was in Tsar Nicucklas II's DNA to bend over as well during WW1. Russia can only win if it's lead by Commies. No more critical support for me. I only support the KPRF killing Cucktin so they can take over this war and fucking WIN instead of constantly taking it up the ass from the West.
>russia's foreign ministry has demanded that the US ensure "humane and proper treatment of Russian citizens aboard the Marinera", calling for their rights and interests to be observed.
>It adds that the US must not hamper their soonest return to Russia.
>Russia calls for 'humane and proper treatment' of citizens on Marinera
Imagine Stalin being like "please Mr Roosevelt treat our Russian captives well sir!"
>>2632154>No more critical support for me. I only support the KPRF killing Cucktin so they can take over this war and fucking WIN instead of constantly taking it up the ass from the West.This. Fuck this shit.
>>2632164Jfc it keeps getting worse and worse.
>>2632150Bro stop. It would be embarrassing as fuck if Russia seized an american ship like this and usa did nothing. You. Can write all your paragraphs you want and twist and turn. This is embarrassing
>>2632172I am not a nafoid
>>2632172Putin is a nafoid you fucking retard.
>>2632171But what would be the point of Russia seizing a civilian US ship?
>>2632172Ah don’t start this with the sock puppeting again
>>2632175No idea. The point is Russia is not protecting their people against military force by other countries.
>>2632175Whats the point of the kremlin geriatrics and their noooooks if they allow the US to steal whatever they want from Russia?
Kek Russians just got cucked by a Child Rapist.
Grim
>>2632178Don't worry, ChampSoc. I was around when this happened in the past, and I assure you I didn't find any of them convincing. I don't know whether that's a compliment or an insult lmao.
>>2632164how are the multipolar youtubers going to spin this into a win for russia and defeat for the US? 5D chess? legendary strategic patience? wait for trump to wake up after being hoodwinked by his wicked advisors?
>>2632184As embarrassing as that is for the USA and I laugh T when houthis did this, in return the usa does respond with bombs in Yemen where houthis are. Russia I don't think will bomb anything of the usa.
I guess you could consider some response if Russia bombs Ukraine harder
>>2632179>>2632182But do you not see you’re being taken for a ride? Do you really believe such a pathetic act as deploying the US military to seize two civilian ships is worth a military retaliation over? Do you think this is genuinely driven by brazenness by Washington? That because Russia is unlikely to sink a US aircraft carrier over it or at least capture a cruise ship in tit for tat, that in of itself makes the act worth while?
And it is pathetic, we’ve gotten into this situation because the Ukrainians wanted to be more like the US, but instead the US are lowering themselves to the level of Ukraine and its peremogas lmao
>>2632186>>2632188I still don't see why this should overshadow his cucked non-response to the assassination op.
It's only a big deal if it sets a precedent for seizing ships. But otherwise, how is it any worse than America directing drones into Russia and, in some cases, firing ATACMS missiles into Russia, which everyone knows requires US approval?
>>2632191Yes I believe Russia should protect their civilians from being abducted by foreign militaries and preventing ships they accept as under their protection from being taken by other countries, absolutely.
>>2632196Russia is the one embarrassing themselves here putting out un tier statements of please treat their civilians well and that this is not legal! While doing nothing in response.
>>2632191If kremlin allows the US to do whatever they want then what difference is there between the current regime and a hypothetical "western puppet" regime?
>>2632201Okay but that’s resolved, realistically, via legal action to free the hostages. Not by starting WW3.
>>2632210No one said to start ww3. You are very committed to defending Russia doing nothing at all and just letting this happen. I know you rather Russia not have this response but you want to convince us it's completely okay. Bro there is like 50 users here you don't need to fight for a narrative, nothing will change depending on what a handful of us believe here. You can say what you really think
>>2632210Do you also believe democrats can/want to stop Trump via legal action?
>>2632214>>2632209You’re still not answering the question of whether you truly think the US militarily seizing two civilian ships is worthwhile, beyond it “embarrassing” Russia?
>>2632218That the US is not bound by its own “rules based order” is a problem that needs to be solved internally, if you’re leftists you should agree with that, rather than taking the rightoid attitude of “make me”.
>>2632220I absolutely answered your question. Russia should prevent the usa doing this and respond to them doing this. Or else you are just establishing that the usa can do anything they want and it's up to the usa how far they want to go since you'll do nothing.
>>2632221>That the US is not bound by its own “rules based order” is a problem that needs to be solved internallyWhat go to a un meeting for the 1186th time? This is not going to change.
>>2632222Tee hee
>>2632223>you and Russia are enabling the US’ global tyranny!Pathetic.
>>2632226I never said this at all
>>2632225Yeah no doubt so long as the treats keep flowing.
>>2632228Okay? So your solution does nothing. Internal meeting, internal talk, debate. Wtf does that do? As you acknowledged nothing
>>2632220Worthwhile what? You mean "le risking WW3"? That shit is pure cope, of course it is worthwhile to defend what belongs to Russia. Thats the entire point of having a state, dumbass.
Also defending your ships and your people is risking WW3 but invading Ukraine isnt? Give me a break.
The US doesnt understand anything but brute force, if you want to prevent WW3 you need to step up, if you don't they will keep scalating.
>>2632231>internal talkHow about revolution? You people are fucking committed to explaining every day how US tyranny is the fault of everyone except the US, try directing that commitment to organising as is often advocated for Russians and Ukrainians
the sockpuppet was a patsy and y'all glow
>>2632232You’re still deflecting, what was worth while for the US in deploying the military to capture two civilian ships?
>>2632234I never said it is the fault of anyone else. As the other poster told you if Russia gives no response they can just continue doing it. The usa always functions as a bully and bullies those who don't fight back when they want something.
Cool a revolution! Awesome. I would like that. The discussion is about Russia just putting out a lame statement about having a ship hijacked and citizens kidnapped.
>>2632226Cuckler is enabling the actions of the current US admin just like the democrats do.
>>2632236>what was worth while for the US in deploying the military to capture two civilian ships?They are showing the rest of the world Russia and China aren't reliable allies because the US can still take your shit and no one will do shit, its called power projection and its a real thing with real consequences.
>>2632245That’s just “it embarrasses Russia” with bells on. For the US what did it actually achieve to use its military to capture two civilian vessels?
There's some malicious sockpuppeting happening with ChampSoc. Mods should figure out which one has been posting longer in this thread and ban the other one.
>>2632240No one has yet substantiated what action should have been taken just, not legal action because that’s cucked, not attack the US military and start WW3 because obviously that’s not a practical idea, something in between but what?
>>2632251Yeah legal action does absolutely nothing. USA does not follow international laws.
>>2632248you are in denial
>>2632254Okay Russia kidnaps an entire cruise ship of Americans and holds them hostage until both ships and their crews are returned, who else in the world is pleased about that?
Not that I'm a ChampSoc stan. I'd just like to be able to engage in some mutual bullying without wasting time on a sockpuppet.
>>2632248>For the US what did it actually achieve to use its military to capture two civilian vesselstwo ships, for one thing. also enforcing a blockade of Venezuela
>>2632256I'd be pleased if the sunk it
>>2632263Oh Goddess. Here we go…
>>2632266 (me)
It's fake, right? Please tell me it's either a fake screencap or fake news…
>>2632261Capturing two ships enforces a blockade of an entire country? Are the US going to use those ships themselves?
Okay, I'm NOT defending that if it's real. I mean, I appreciate some BDSM play like the next guy, but when I heard the rumors about sending their sub, I thought they meant the underwater vessel.
>>2632253And so what then? What is the response that is neither legal nor military in nature that Russia could provide?
What are you people arguing about?
I don't want to be a doomer, but doing nothing about this just means that westoids will start attacking and boarding more vessels until it's no longer possible for Russia to export or import with any reliability.
>>2632251They wouldn't start WW3 over this. Just shoot the marines. It's not complicated.
>>2632270It doesn't enforce the blockade, but it means that the "shadow fleet" cope that was looking pathetic from euros is now apparently something they can and will use to make it increasingly impossible for anyone who doesn't comply to do international trade reliably. There needs to be a point when you respond or they will walk all over you.
>>2632278>Just shoot the marinesDEFCON 2
>There needs to be a point where you fight off the US' control over international watersDEFCON 1
>>2632281What defcon is an American attack on early warning radars, retard?
>>2632282I feel that I'm in some weird world where the assassination op gets underplayed. Is it just that deep down nobody believes Russia?
>>2632282We're not gauging the US response based on Russia's, we're gauging it based on US responses historically like in the Cuban Missile Crisis where they had made the decision to start WW3 and was ultimately only prevented by a decision of a Soviet sub to not respond to an attack. That was over nukes in Cuba
tacitly reducing the US's global military impunity, you're suggesting that modern Russia would get away with removing that impunity by force.
White House: US plans to bring Marinera crew to trialThe US intends to prosecute the crew of the Marinera tanker, according to the White House.
The White House claims that the Marinera tanker is part of Venezuela's shadow fleet.
The White House claims that the Marinera tanker illegally transported Venezuelan oil in violation of US sanctions.
https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/26103901 >>2632293Not him, giving Cuba missiles as a proportionate response to the Yanks giving Turkey missiles ended up forcing the Yanks to withdraw their missiles from Turkey and agree not to attack Cuba.
Putin would never dare do something like that.
>>2632298 (me)
I agree that we're in a perilous situation and that
attacking the US is a different matter than reciprocating with arms deliveries, but we got to this situation precisely because Putin blew deterrence. Do you think they would've tried to assassinate him early 2022? You know they wouldn't have.
>>2632298Removing nukes from Turkey is easy to accept when there were nukes still stationed all over NATO but now none under Soviet control in North America. Like it is retarded that the US narrative on it was that they made no concessions and they weren't
really going to WW3 they just needed to put their balls on the table to force the USSR to unilaterally pull away, but equally retarded is claiming removing nukes from Cuba in exchange for removing nukes from Turkey were an equal exchange.
The US for all intents and purposes started WW3, the best outcome of the Cuban Missile Crisis is that the Soviets negotiated a walk back from the US.
>>2632293Shooting someone who attacks a vessel under your flag only means that you won't accept them stealing your property. How do you think the situation will continue from now on if they are now apparently able to board any Russian vessel?
>>2632313Okay we've shot the murines, now the US is just sinking any civilian ship it suspects of being Russian because they can't risk the important lives of US servicemen, what is the next retaliation?
>>2632317That's a very big jump from the situation at hand. Countries like Iran have done similar moves in the past and yet what you describe isn't happening to them. Now answer the question.
>>2632310Sometimes the simplest solutions work very well, and the simplest solution to American arms deliveries to Turkey was to do the same in Cuba. Yet for some reason Putin couldn't have threatened to arm, say, Iran the moment he heard about deliveries being sent to Ukraine - maybe even threaten to arm asymmetrically. He let one escalation after another go because
this won't change the situation on the Donbass battlefield. Now, according to Russia at least, they're trying to kill him. I remember the days when Ukraine didn't dare sending anything across the pre-2022 border and when Shoigu was threatening attacks on decision-making centers merely if HIMARS were used against Crimea.
>>2632325Yeah, I posted some of his more recent, uh, commentary. He's not a serious thinker, but I use him as a gauge of evolving sentiment because of how far his tongue was up the Putin-Trump ass.
>>2632320US vs Iran isn't WW3 in anyone's mind
>Now answer the question.The US continues to perform peremogas, this thread continues to become even more insuffrable as a result, leftypol in general becomes even more pleased with itself but refuses to divulge why exactly.
>>2632321>Send arms to IranRussia needed them, as is often mocked about the Russian military, they use all of the weapons in their stocks regardless of age. They're not like the US with like three generations of shit that came into service at huge expense and since phased out without use.
>>2632239>kupyansk and gulyaypole + all the nato garbage that was destroyed while trying to defend themwonder how many tankers that was worth
The slippery slope angle was already taken by Iron Felix mind you, by his reckoning a lack of a scary response to authorising use of the few US missiles Ukraine had against Russia itself would result in Moscow being taken by NATO last year.
>>2632332What about threatening to give Iran a few nukes if supplies to Ukraine continued? I still believe the US would've blinked. But, and I mean this in a very non-chud kind of way, Putin wouldn't want to ruin his relations with Israel, which the threat alone would do.
>>2632338They're trying to kill Putin. That's a big deal to me. There aren't many more escalatory steps from there.
>>2632341Ukraine is absolutely loving your flattery over their failed attempt to drone the state residence of the Russian president as meaningful. It's not exactly having someone in a room with Putin ready to shoot him or poison his tea or something.
>>2632343Sounds a little Westoid on that last part. Iran is one of the most stable countries in the world. People point to the Muslim leaders, but I don't see how that's any different from Russia's Christcuck leaders.
>>2632346It sounds like you don't consider it a useful measure of where we are escalation-wise because they failed. This is dangerous thinking.
>>2632349They stationed tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus and it made no difference anyway.
>>2632354>Escalation wiseIf they could get an assassin into a room with Putin, they surely would have done it already. The attack on the president's residence is not indicative of their intent, the desperate circumstances for them already cover that.
>>2632346Russia says they tried to kill Putin. Do you not believe them? They produced evidence showing the targeting info was for the residence, and I doubt they'd say they tried to kill Putin if he wasn't at the residence.
>>2632332>US vs Iran isn't WW3 in anyone's mindThat's the point. Iran can respond and so can Russia. This doesn't automatically cause war or especially global nuclear holocaust like you say.
>The US continues to perform peremogasPeremoga is a meme because Ukraine is a weak and very poor country that is fighting for their master's enrichment. It very much reflects in Ukrainian Ukraine supporters. I get your intent with this word choice but it's not appropriate when the enemy is directly performing acts of war and building up to destruction of your foreign trade instead of impotently seething at a bridge.
>>2632364Stationing TNWs in Belarus is nothing. It's as meaningless as moving TNWs from one oblast of Russia to another oblast of Russia.
Notice why the Soviets chose Cuba.
>>2632366I don't care about spin, it was already obvious that Ukraine would like to take out Putin, that they tried such a flawed plan merely indicates they don't have the means to.
>>2632368Russia firing on the US is WW3 is most people's mind
>Direct acts of warArmed seizure of a civilian vessel is piracy at best and terrorism at worse, peremoga is absolutely applicable to the US if this is intended to be humiliating for Russia rather than open hostility towards the Russian military itself, which despite how slippery the slope is by now, the US hasn't demonstrated the chops to do yet.
>>2632371So why would nukes in Iran be a deterrent to the US?
>>2632385>that they tried such a flawed plan merely indicates they don't have the means to. My understanding is that they fired almost 100 drones at the location, and I consider that a huge deal if he was there regardless of the fact that air defense stopped it. I do have some doubts he was there, and if he wasn't (which actually seems more aligned with their behavior, quite frankly), then I'm happier to call it a nothingburger.
If he was there, this is bad because if that was Ukraine alone, next time could be Ukraine with some 'donated' improvements in intel, planning, method, etc.
>>2632395I suspect that's unlikely, Ukraine repeatedly does shit that hints to itself at its own ability to start WW3 unilaterally. I don't see this as any different to when they were shelling the Zaporozhye NPP, trying to capture the Kursk NPP, droned an early warning radar, droned the flagpole on top of the Kremlin, etc.
If the west had any interest in nuclear war, they'd not need to provide hints, the hints are Ukraine telling the west they feel they have "options" to force NATO's hand if they don't hand over the
givas. Perhaps the 92 drones at the Putin Palace was a message directed more at Belgium than Putin.
today is really christmas day for nafoids/cucktinposters. will be super joyous. expect a flood
>>2632402>We stole the ships, that's why we need to steal GreenlandLmao and the Greenlanders deserve it for not deterring the US by beheading a captured murhine
>>2632406>Still does not understand the might makes right mentality of imperialist Ngmi
>>2632409I understand that the "might makes right mentality of the imperialist" quickly becomes the "oh shit we're being outmighted, fire the nukes" mentality.
>>2632405Not really. It ruins my day when Cucktin shits the bed.
Is Twitter having problems? All the Twitter alt frontends I use are having problems.
>>2632154Agreed. They need a man of steel to make more men of steel and destroy the west.
>>2632402I will go see how /chug/ spins this.
>>2632454Heh, I've tried various approaches, like laughing at it, but it doesn't work. I keep returning to annoyance.
>>2632484Putin doesn't believe in PR:
>>2626742>>2626756 >>2632499Sad.
There is a funny battle between a communist romanian and some retards on 4chan about communism and the Plymouth colony.
small effort post on recent events:
As a longtime critic of Cucktinposting, I will make a certain concession today, not so much for anything Putin has or hasn’t done, but because of the trajectory of the US and its current admin.
It may have been fair to play along with Trump’s “peace process”, just to see where it could go and at least make the appearance that Russia was willing to negotiate and give peace a chance. Believing too much in trump on this could of course be naive, but regardless, giving it a chance while sticking to the main demands already laid out in 2024 was fair.
However, it's can't be made any more clear now that Trump was never going to budge from the Cornflake Plan (ceasefire on roughly current lines, entry of NATO "peacekeppers", resumption of war later when Ukraine/NATO rested/regrouped/rearmed). And finally, recent events have now made clear that Trump has now accepted that he will never find a way to fool Russia into accepting this. Carrots won't work, so his chosen course is full spectrum escalation on all fronts.
Things are now qualitatively different. The actions of the US in recent months have revealed a regime that has embraced total lawlessness and unbounded agression as fundamental policy, without even a pretense of upholding any set of laws, norms or "rules-based orders" anymore. The only law is the will to power. The only limit to the US doing or taking something is whether "it can".
Russia and the world are now dealing with a psycopath. Both China and Russia will have to respond with counteraggression to show the USA that "it can't" do what it's currently doing, at least not without paying a price it doesn't want to pay. There is no alternative. Appeasement will only embolden and prove that the USA "can" take more and more and will continue escalating. This of course carries risk and will have to be done carefully and intellingently. Russia and China have many different options here economically, militarily and otherwise, but they will have to get the point across.
If they won't, they might as well just surrender now and negotiate hegemonic terms that the US wants because that's where it will end up anyway.
>>2632496I'm more humoured that a simple question of what exactly the US gains from using military action against civilian ships, caused such a stir with no real answer other "might makes right". What is the right created by the might? Who knows, probably to use the military to perform other militarily irrelevant actions. Using the military to seize civilian vessel is like "taking candy from a baby" so is that might? Maybe, if we can just pretend the expectation day one from Ukraine and its supporters wasn't a no-fly zone.
Other answers who also ran are: The shadow fleet is made up of a load of ancient rust buckets, well yeah but now the US has two of them in its possession.
The US demands control over Venezuelan oil, hasn't achieved that yet, but seizing two tankers certainly is a step towards a blockade of Venezuelan oil.
etc etc etc
>>2632574>with no real answerI told you power projection is a real thing no matter how much you cope. I have defended cuck warfare in the past, but this is not the same scenario.
>>2632574As i see it, it's first, boiling the frog. If the USA is allowed to just impose made up laws and steal ships, and no one will do anything to stop it, the US will start doing it more and escalate to doing other things. rinse, repeat.
Second, the central US policy in the world now is about dragging everyone else down so the US can stay "number one" while not actually creating anything of value anymore. Things like stealing ships hinders trade. It's just an extension of sanctions/emgargoes. They could sanction a country but third parties willing to ignore the sanctions could legally still trade with that country. Now the US is basically declaring it illegal for their victims to trade with each other, and the US has a right forcibly stop trade they don't like. This raises costs for the victims again and, depending on how much effort the US puts in, can become prohibitive. It's another way to squeeze their victims and hold humanity down.
>>2632574>what exactly the US gains from using military action against civilian shipsDisrupting trade between anyone who doesn't comply. America operates on precedent law, anything that isn't immediately challenged is now legal and acceptable in their eyes. They will do it again and on bigger scales unless action is taken to make doing so more cost than benefit.
>Maybe, if we can just pretend the expectation day one from Ukraine and its supporters wasn't a no-fly zone.You aren't arguing with these people right now. They tend to make themselves known, especially when they think they are winning.
>MARTYANOV COPE INOh my Gawd. It's worse than expected
>It was never russian ship>Russia owes nobody anything>Read this bullshit news article by a RUSSIAN ADMIRAL this is what's really important. He's russian and he's russian admiral so what he says is doubly important.Actual quote:
<There are NO "brotherly nations" for Russia anymore, and this is a good thing. But look at this, this is December 2025 issue of Voennaya Mysl: Read summary, as you can see it is in English, and it is written by Commander-in-Chief of Russian Navy Admiral Moiseev. But then again, what does he really know/s. https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2026/01/uk-doesnt-have.html >>2632647Right now EUrocrats kinda look like they're about to somewhat uncuck from Washington over Greenland. I'm no fan of the EU at all but Trump should go to hell for kidnapping Maduro and the other crazy aggressive rogue shit he pulled off recently. It would be interesting to see how Miller and Trump react if several EU countries station troops on Greenland, which is being discussed right now even in our most atlanticist cucked lib MSM media. It's probably just posturing and hot air before folding and cucking out though, as always.
>>2632637>>2632647Any talk of slippery slopes at this point just betrays the reality that the vast majority of what the US does against Russia are peremogas. The key asset the US has against Russia is intel/recon/espionage and a fascist vassal to utilise the acquired data, anything else is for generating headlines that merely hint the US is prepared for something truly drastic and they’re just testing the waters with Russia, because otherwise the optics are that the US aren’t doing anything at all with their actual help being intrinsically covert.
>>2632967wish i shared your optimism. the us navy can do a lot of damage
>no new thread
its over
>>2633027The US and NATO understand what they can get away with and what they can’t get away with. The peremoga is doing whatever you can get away with and then allowing people to believe that doing what the US can’t get away with will follow. Similar to how the weapon “redlines” didn’t lead to NATO actually entering the conflict (and now that in of itself is boasted about, as no NATO soldiers have apparently died) as was often touted as the end game, we’re seeing the exact kind of thinking now that because the US has done something illegal but able to be gotten away with the slippery boiled frog might makes right slope is being fantasied about again with all the possibilities of end games now that the US has ostensibly been proven once again unaccountable for their actions.
>>2633108That’s the word! I’ll use it from now on lol
Has the West been ukrainified into a zrada-peremoga cycle, or that always has been the westoid MO and ukraine merely adopted it?
>>2633100seems like a lot of people used to think they couldn't get away with stealing russian ships because russia would defend them
>>2633150Well few also suspected the US military would be tasked with piracy.
>>2633143I definitely think the shock and awe concept has a peremoga edge to it, it’s like I bombed all your hospitals and schools so you should just surrender or I’ll you know I’ll do something I’ll.. but the entire time the primary aim of shock and awe is to win before boots reluctantly go to ground over fear of yet another Vietnam/Afghanistan
Oh, also hi “no caps” anon
>>2632395duran says it was a bait and that putin was testing to see if trump would try it
>>2631790>commanders to Turkeythat's demonstrably untrue. first, there's no list of commanders published by ukraine. because ukraine can play dumb with who was captured, in fact, pravda published this article last year arguing exactly that:
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/05/29/7514554/>Commenting on public statements about the absence of Azov fighters in the latest exchange lists, Yusov emphasised that excessive media attention to specific names or units could be used by Russian intelligence services for their own purposesso there's no reason or whatsoever to believe all of the commanders were released.
that article also stated, in the lastest exchange:
<Colonel Denys Prokopenko, alias Redis, Commander of the Azov National Guard Brigade, stated that not a single Azov fighter had been included in the three-day prisoner exchange with Russia. He said he does not believe the Ukrainian authorities are interested in bringing them back.you are a moron. and for that champsoc is right:
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>>2634057https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/8/ukraines-zelenskyy-returns-azov-commanders-released-to-turkeyRussia denounces the soldiers’ return, accusing Kyiv and Ankara of violating a prisoner exchange deal under which the men were to remain in Turkey until the end of the war.
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>Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on Saturday that Ankara had promised under the exchange agreement to keep the men in Turkey and complained that Moscow had not been informed of the move. Unique IPs: 135