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>>2622281Thread in which we discuss the latest imperialist war
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>>2623035Keep your shitty lib analysis confined to /pol/
USA is so comically evil its not even funny.
I'm sure Maduro had the personal loyalty of a couple of people and groups, like any important person in politics, but how much of Venezuela's system as a whole is personalist?
If it isn't that much, then I wouldn't really worry about regime change since Chavismos and his faction still seem to be in control.
>Vice President (Delcy Rodríguez), alive and free
>Defense Minister, accused by the Americans of being the head of the cartel, alive and free
what did they mean by this
>>2623053>I'm sure Maduro had the personal loyalty of a couple of peopleJust western leftists
>leftycucks already lost
LOOOOL
>>2623051Why didnt he fight to death? Better martyr than in Guantanamo.
>>2623065Trata de poner botas en tierra pues, gringo mmgv
>>2623065Xir this is a communist sub we are against leftists
>>2623050
Chagos is a schizo.
>>2623033Technically there were always two true redflags on this board, a Nordic one and me.
Can you imagine that people change over time? Cuckraine has radicalised me further, made me admittedly more aggressive in my responses. Impying that I'm KingLear,+ and ban evading is a far stretch though.
Kindly kys for that, asshole! >>2623068i get it fgt nobody's lefty enough for you
>>2623072Typical attention whore.
Tuned out for quite a bit. Have they taken Mariupol yet?
>>2623075Good luck trying to put a puppet in charge from a keyboard :^)
>>2623078>Gets called out<Responds>Gets called an attention whoreWhat? LMAO
>>2623080no one cares about that shit, we're done nation building. if they get uppity we'll just bomb them again, toodles cuckboy
>tfw someone can post "MADURO JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE" and it could be literally true
REMEMBER.
NO SOURCE, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK
Are there any reports of possible treason from any Venezuelan officials?
>>2623089Gov seems relatively stable atp so i'm guessing not
>no nukes
Skill issue on Maduro's part.
Good Newss: I don't have to go to work :)
guys i thibk maduro flew over my house
>>2623096One last gift from Maduro, comrade.
>>2623098>go to work in wartime! think about porky's profit!nah
>>2623096Anything worth knowing that local news might have said and aren't in world news yet?
>>2623099Referencing an old classic meme.
A true one
>>2623096abolishing work
maduro: 1
international left: 0
Guys I met Maduro at the supermarket today. He's fine.
>China does nothing
>Venezuela does nothing
>Russia does nothing
tankiebros, is it time to admit that amerikkka has won and is now dabbing on us?
>>2623103Padrino López isn't dead so there is that
Nothing else atm
>>2623107There's still time for you to become an anarchist.
>Just got off the phone with @SecRubio>He informed me that Nicolás Maduro has been arrested by U.S. personnel to stand trial on criminal charges in the United States, and that the kinetic action we saw tonight was deployed to protect and defend those executing the arrest warrant>He anticipates no further action in Venezuela now that Maduro is in U.S. custodyhttps://x.com/BasedMikeLee/status/2007395531023352319ok, this is looking more and more like an arranged exit to me. I'll sacrifice myself (like a good Catholic) and you let Delcy takeover and leave us alone.
The airstrikes were just so it would look like a hostile capture and more gangster so Trump could posture as a tough guy.
>>2623107I'll give you China and Russia, but Venezuela is not going to take this lying down. Why would they?
>>2623111unfortunately I am not 14 anymore
>>2623112How is an arranged exit any better? It's WORSE.
>>2623112>He anticipates no further action in Venezuela now that Maduro is in U.S. custodyThey've apparently been planning this operation for months and couldn't come up with a better lie than this? Not a single person on Earth believes that the US just wants to put Maduro on trial and that'll be the end of it. Trump himself has said that he wants Venezuela's oil, and you can't get Venezuela's oil by putting one guy on trial.
>>2623107/antistageism/ irrationality at it's best here.
>>2623112If this was an arranged exit, there's no way any one else than Maduro knew, maybe that's why there were airstrikes
>>2623113they did take this lying down
maduro cucked himself and all of Venezuela
>>2623119Why do you believe this is the extent of the US's intervention and that the operation is over now? Are you fucking brain damaged? There's still an entire government remaining that America has yet to take out.
>>2623107The US has not won a victory, until they have Venezuela, and it's oil, under their control. For the time being, they have just killed some people, and captured Maduro. No apparent, major geopolitical change has occurred so far.
>>2623123they're obviously not gonna stop now
that's why they've won
>>2623123yanks think war is like chess and if you take out the enemy's king it's all over
>>2623122Communists are going to continue to eat dirt until they accept Stalin was right to do what he did given his circumstance.
>>2623124zero attempts at defense
cucked nation
I'm becoming a newsompilled libcel
so wait maybe trump and maduro made a deal. maduro sacks himself and hands it to his successor. whoever trumps talks to last will he who he makes promises to. see putin talking to trump last in ukraine talks. trump gets to claim he got maduro and maduro gets to continue his regime. bc peace prize lady didnt talk to him last she didnt get any part of the deal
>>2623116You can if enough people in the Venezuelan government is in on it. This happened in Syria. In any case, all we can do is wait and see if anything they say is true.
>>2623129Even if this were true. Maduro would have to be incredibly naive to believe Trump would keep his word.
>>2623121nvm I'm maopilled again
send me your biggest dongfeng 61 president Xi
>>2623120My home' internet gateway seems to be banned for some reason so will keep posting from my phone
Nothing new from telesur, will check vtv and globo
>>2623133oooooooh I'm libbing out
bring freedom to these commie cucks president trump
Always get nukes ASAP, it's the only guarantor of independence.
>>2623122This too, the army always has to answer to civilian control. Though Stalin also kinda faile din this regard because it was the army and Zhukov specifically who helped facilitate the Khrushchevite coup against "the anti party group".
>>2623135>memeflag turns into a pro-imperialist shill at the drop of a hatSHOCKER
>>2623131well technically he did. whoever talks to trump last will just be whoever continues the deal. historical materialism comrade!!
>>2623035Rome was defeated by Germanic refugees
>>2623128zero attempts at defense
Pure emotional response. Victory for Venezuela is preventing the aims of the United States. If capable of course, fighting back in any major way, will give Trump, and the imperialists the upper hand.
>>2623138learn what a joke is libshit
death to amerikkka death to Israel death to the terrorist western regime
>>2623126I mean who's to say that's not the case here? What do they even do? There's no one on the ground to resist against. They literally extracted him like a drug lord and left
Over-under on a single Democrat or Democrat ally raising even a token protest beyond "They should have notified Congress first"?
>>2623112as stupid as maduro is, there is no reason why he would take this deal. why would the us leave venezuela alone? the oil is still there, even maduro should be able to understand that, or is common sense a privilege exclusive to the marxist left?
what I do think just happened is that the military sold him out because they don't see a future in the psuv, and whatever comes after, machado or the other guy, will need a heavy repressive apparatus so their jobs are guaranteed regardless. it is a testament to the incompetence of maduro that he didn't go out fighting. china is right in keeping their relations with these "left wing" characters transactional
>>2623112I hope Maduro hasn't betrayed his station.
>>2623134LIVE FEED FROM TELESUR
https://www.youtube.com/live/2-TJWjqWsSU?si=Bg0Et2ksliz94SzNTarek William Saab', Fiscal General de la República y Defensor del Pueblo, declaration
>>2623144"It's just a joke" but your natural instinct when seeing the US launch a criminal regime change against a sovereign country is to accuse the sovereign country of not putting up enough of a fight and deserving it. I don't think that's the natural instinct of any sincere or principled anti-imperialist.
>>2623146Reminder that the golden boy Mamdani helped manufacture consent for this was all for invading Venezuela. Even the most "left" wing democrats love this and will praise Trump for it, maybe not publicly but in their hearts.
>>2623142Technically it was overthrown in an internal coup by Odoacer who transformed it into the Kingdom of Italy who was THEN overthrown by Germanic refugees after led by Theodoric
>>2623150Unlikely. USA special forces are very capable ill give them that.
>>2623148more like 20 second special operation
China needs to mobilize their shit immediately
Please reply me with media that gives evidence for civilian casualities, trying to compile it.
>>2623153I'm not sure Zorhan Mamdani is to blame for this situation
>>2623153I hate him so fucking much it's unreal. Jacobin has like 10 articles on its front page talking about what a miraculous saint he is, so it'll be "fun" to watch them do regime change interference on his behalf now.
>>2623152they obviously didn't deserve this, but they didn't fight back in the slightest
america immediately dominated Venezuelan airspace without resistance
>>2623072>Can you imagine that people change over time?Yeah, but they tend not to have some makeover from burger English to British English
>radicalised >>2623153Mass protests are scheduled in NYC in response to the attack/coup. Will be interesting to see how god-emperor Mamdani responds.
>>2623158No but it shows that there is no political will to be against imperialism in the US
>>2623158Not directly. But the DSA and its associated candidates, by not protesting or resisting imperialist operations like this one, associate socialism in the public's mind with imperialism. This makes them arguably even greater class enemies than open and rabid imperialists like the GOP.
>>2623147because he's a coward who would rather live in jail than die fighting for his people
>>2623147Only way it could make sense is if the republicans need a symbolic victory for the home front by capturing the guy Trump has been saying he would take for months. This way Venezuela gets to prepare for a few more weeks. Makes very little sense unless the USA truly is spread this thin.
>>2623157You can see Gustavo Petro posted some video of a burning car near Caracas on twitter, supposedly civilian casualties but doesnt seem confirmable
JDPON DON
THE 3 HOUR WAR
>>2623164NOOOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND CHINA WILL SAVE US FROM IMPERIALISM
>>2623171ANTI REVISIONIST ANTI REFORMIST PRO PROLETARIA
JDPON DON JDPON DON
>>2623151>venezuela is going to resistwhen? where?
>>2623165oh boy, more fed protests
hopefully no one gets shot for daring to arm themselves this time
>>2623151Venezuela should respond by attacking Florida. No mercy.
>>2623160It was a surprise operation by the most powerful military on Earth. By the time they even realized what was going on the attack was probably over.
>>2623155>USA special forces are very capableVery capable. This operation must have taken a lot of planning. It's can't have been a random decision Trump decided to do in a short timeframe.
Unironically this would not have happened under the KKKamala regime. #WokeCommunism
>>2623180trotskys back???
>>2623177america has been building up troops and choppers around Venezuela for the last 2 weeks and trump has been yapping nonstop about invading
it was obvious for anyone with eyes
>>2623181Yeah Kamala would have only overseen a colour revolution.
>>2623166I can agree with that, DSA have gone down that whole "left-populism" lane so it makes sense there isn't any anti-imperialist let alone marxist fiber in their political programs
>>2623174It ain't over yet. Maduro is not chavismo himself alone.
¡No se puede sucumbir al pesimismo!
This is only the beginning and thus we must remain strong
>>2623175why is there a giant white rectangle on my post
>>2623177>Usa has been positioning itself for a month and blowing up fishing boats and using them as cartel casus belli propaganda>We didn't see it comingPlease
>>2623182I don't see an ice pick anywhere near his face
I think its a different guy
>>2623177Still, they have been under siege for a while, it is plain strange that the US could just fly slow ass Chinooks over the capital unimpeded like in vidrel
>>2623133 . It feels like the military is either completely incompetent or just sold out.
>>2623176God willing, but I know ain't happening and that that would be stupid to do right now
>>2623148kek, 4 years in Donbass and he's still working on it, even trying to get Donny to compel Ukraine to leave voluntarily.
Really bad look for him like right now. Also kind embarrassing for China that it happened mere hours Chinese diplomats were there discussing cooperation LMAO.
who ended the state capitalist reformist?
JDPON DON
who struck terror into the revisionist third worldists?
JDPON DON
who carried the flame against the corrupt moralist international whose rules only benefited compradors?
JDPON DON
>>2623163
Taking out Maduro doesn't cause the government to go away doe
>>2623145>>2623189holy fuck i didn't expect to see this scrolling down lmaooooooooooooooooooooo
>>2623190they were stealthy hidden bombings Mr american apologist
y do u hate communism
>>2623196raise your hand if you think this attack means Venezuela is permacucked 👋
>>2623183>>2623190>>2623192Knowing there's an attack coming and predicting when the attack will happen and that the primary goal of the attack will be to kidnap the president are two different things.
>>2623192The military is completely incompetent AND potentially sold out
>>2623201if you know there's an attack coming you stay on alert 24/7
no new Years celebration for chavistas
>>2623198>>2623199Again, your instinctive reaction when seeing something like this is to denigrate and insult the nation being attacked and trampled on. That's odd for a "leftist" of any kind. I would uncritically defend even a fascist country if it was being bombed by imperialists, let alone a socdem country like Venezuela.
>>2623201Why wasn't he hiding 24/7?
>>2623196Sure but I think it's ogre. Even if the US doesn't continue attacks this will cause chaos and the opposition will be out in the street killing police officers and burning down government buildings soon enough until the government crumbles like Assad. Hope I'm wrong.
anyways why isn't the nazbol flag the actual nazbol flag?
If Russia doesn't seize Kiev and China doesn't seize Taiwan today, they are forever cucks.
>>2623127they ate dirt anyway
>>2623208sorry I thought we liked critical support for communism
I didn't realize communist nations could do no wrong
>>2623209why do u luv america mr glowie
>>2623215They won in 1945
>>2623220how's the soviet Union doing now?
>>2623209If people were making reggaeton remixes of my speeches I would want to go out and dance too
>>2623221I dunno, hows the American working class doing?
>>2623223they have been turned into cattle because the USSR turned away from stalinism (unironically)
>>2623210I disagree desu, material conditions in LATAM are way more different than in places like Syria. Anti-assadist forces had nothing to lose but people in Latam, opposition forces in Venezuela especially, have a lot more to risk and attempting to overthrow the government without massive US military force backing them on the ground to make it seem worth it to them. But I could be wrong.
>>2623220and then ate dirt and died, your fabulous "western left" that accepted this also ate dirt and haven't succeeded despite being staunch stalinists for a good time
>>2623226they have already overthrown the government
T-10 days until a oil paypig is installed as leader
>>2623229The ACP is growing every day
they just have some catching up to do
Stalinism is the way forward
>>2623233meme party that is rotting as well, it's not even a stalinist party, just a duginite-larouchite party
>>2623163
why is a social democrat hanging a social democrat?
>>2623231Stalin's prescience is truly terrifying
>>2623233>ACPLMAO
>>2623233why are you stanning right-deviationists?
>>2623239you are a liberal.
>>2623241right wing is when communism
>>2623243Mème forcé / Gedwongen meme
>>2623231>>2623239Stalin abolished the comintern to appease the west after he was done sucking nazi cock.
Settle down, lib.
>>2623242Anyone who takes the ACP seriously is either an easily duped idiot or an actual fascist
Yet another imperialist crime by America. And what are the American 'leftists' doing? Laughing at China for not helping and laughing at Putin because Trump did a successful 3-hour SMO.
Yet again, they confirm our beliefs that Americans are tpo comfortable and the rape and murder of the world is a spectacle to them.
>>2623249you are a liberal who cares more about identity politics than western revolution
Looks like the US gave Maduro the choice of surrender or be killed and he chose surrender.
Why can't Cuckler give Zelensky that choice, especially given that Zelensky tried to kill Cuckler?
china cucked out again KKKKKEEEEEEKKKKKK
We WON
CAPITALISM WON
SUCK IT, US@ NUMBER 1
America just waged war on Venezuela and retards here are still bitching about the ACP
The ACP is an irrelevant meme party
Focus on the Squad, Zohran, Bernie etc
Let's see what they say about this
I suspect they will only bitch that Congress was not consulted first
They are all imperialists, just the teacher's pet kind of imperialism
>>2623252All real communists. Not you obviously.
>>26232591.000 more years of neoliberalism
>>2623245president xi is too busy reading his stockpile of illegal CEO/yn manga to intervene in this
>>2623222But you are not a head of state for a socialist country America has been threatening for months.
>>2623229>haven't succeeded despite being staunch stalinists for a good timebe real, most western leftists have not been Stalinst, especially after he died.
>>2623263>>2623257American people are to blame. Stop deflecting on Xi.
>>2623257do nothing and lose, the eternal Chinese strategy
>>2623258Kek, Cucktin is such a disgrace, but I guess that's expected from Yeltsin's guy.
>>2623250>And what are the American 'leftists' doing? Laughing at ChinaNo, American leftists are saying "Maduro is a horrible dictator but…" before nervously looking around the room trying to figure out if they're allowed to say it's bad to start a new war. Wishing the second most powerful entity on the planet would do something is correct.
>>2623264i'm talking about the ones in the 1930s and yes, by actual number a lot were and still are
>>2623269So they are no leftists at all.
>>2623266Chinese diplomats were in venezuala as the strikes happened and xi will do nothing
eternally cucked nation
>>2623266you KNOW the USSR wouldnt let shit like this slide. meanwhile CUCKna continues to cuck out and they still think they can begome the global hegemon? kek they will be obliterated by the US in a nuclear war
>>2623260muh fascism bad >>> maybe community organizing will increase the presence of communists in the american south
lol at the venezuela resistance fantasies
100% the us had help from inside the maduro administration and most of his lower command couldn't wait to see him gone
>>2623276Definitely looks like it. I thought Maduro at least had his Regime (complimentary) on lock but apparently not.
>>2623247And I criticize him for it, bad decision that made it harder for other communist parties to see and call out the growing revisionism in the CPSU and made them beholden to Moscow for funding.
>>2623254Sorry but the ACP is not a revolutionary party, they're just fascists. Not gonna argue more about this since this isn't the thread for it.
>>2623259>"we" wonHealthcare status?
>>2623231Let's also not forget his biggest influence, and mega traitor, that is Alexander Yakovlev.
Let's also hope there isn't a "Yakovlev" in the Venezuelan government.
>>2623272Real life is not a video game.
>>2623260>Focus on the Squad, Zohran, Bernie etcI will be pleasantly surprised if a single one of these people releases an actual statement of opposition. Most likely it will be complaining about the lack of "transparency" and congressional approval. Certainly I don't expect any of them to point out what Trump has more or less openly stated: That this is an imperialist operation intended to gain access to Venezuela's oil reserves.
>>2623284there are yakovlevs everywhere
>Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro ‘captured’ after huge US military strikesThe government said the attacks occurred in the capital, Caracas, on Saturday as well as in the states of Miranda, Aragua, and La Guaira. Venezuela also accused Washington of staging the assault in an attempt to seize Venezuela’s oil and mineral resources, pledging that such efforts “will not succeed”. Explosions were heard and plumes of smoke were seen rising in Caracas early on Saturday following the attack. Video footage obtained by Al Jazeera showed balls of fire and thick smoke coming from a structure next to a body of water in Caracas early on Saturday.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/3/explosions-heard-over-venezuelan-capital-caracas-amid-us-tensions
>Venezuela defense minister says will resist presence of foreign troopsVenezuela will resist the presence of foreign troops, Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino said in a video early on Saturday, as U.S. President Donald Trump said Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro had been captured and was being removed from the country. A U.S. attack on the country in the early morning struck civilian areas, Padrino said, and Venezuela is compiling information about dead and injured people.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuela-defense-minister-says-will-resist-presence-foreign-troops-2026-01-03/
>Colombia sends armed forces to Venezuela border amid concern over refugee ‘influx’Petro posted on X that his government had held a national security meeting in which it was decided that forces should be sent to the border amid a potential “massive influx” of people leaving Venezuela. He also called for an emergency session of the UN security council. Petro said: “The government of Colombia rejects the aggression against the sovereignty of Venezuela and of Latin America.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/03/colombia-sends-armed-forces-venezuela-border-concern-refugee-influx
> 🇺🇸 #US - 🇻🇪 #Venezuela: The US has just bombed Venezuela. US helicopters struck targets in Caracas, with explosions reported across Miranda, La Guaira and Aragua, hitting multiple ports and military facilities. In a post on Truth Social, Donald Trump claimed that Nicolás Maduro and his wife were “captured and flown out of the country” with the help of US special forces.https://nitter.net/PopularFront_/status/2007396355208085610#m
>Criminal Organization “Tren Del Llano” called for armed attacks against the Venezuelan government after #USA 🇺🇸 Airstrikes in #Caracas.https://nitter.net/war_noir/status/2007364336033960252#m >>2623161I always used British English. Like not omitting the "u" in words like labour, colour or favourite etc. unlike how the filthy Burgers do
>>2623285americuck has arrived to tell me why China should continue doing nothing besides surrender to america at every possible opportunity
>>2623282sorry but I fucked your mom and you're gonna have a new brother soon
not gonna argue cause this is not the right thread for it
>>2623281>Wants oil<Gets some fat former bus driver instead>Art of the DealI know that's a rumour, but if it were true, it would mean Venezualan leadership is seriously compromised, and therefore the country cooked.
Can the 14 years olds stop calling each other names
>>2623296China cares only about China anad that is good.
>>2623281>It was a negotiated transfer,Yeah, because Trump told him to give himself up or be killed. The threat was credible. Putin wouldn't dream of doing that to Zelensky because he's a Westophile with an inferiority complex.
>>2623298Do you have a point?
>>2623302I'm Chinese Hitler and I agree!
>>2623302this is why the USSR was better than china
>>2623302china doesnt even care about china lmfao. they care about chinese porky meanwhile chinese proles kill themselves because theyre all slaves
Venezuela is has been a failed state for about 10 years now.
Maduro was a massive retard, PSUV held power purely through massive corruption of paying off military officers and generals to hold insitutions and Government assets. This meant the moment the US offered more, they would yeet Maduro and they did.
No idea why the Left spent so long supporting this shithole and dogshit Government after Chavez kicked it. It was clear basically from month 1 that Maduro was not interested in serious leadership or Government.
The Left needs to learn to stop supporting pathological losers I swear, it's a terrible look.
The PSUV was always going to fail, it was only a matter of time.
>>2623266The American bourgeoisie is to blame. The American people do not even have a labor party. The trade unions only represent a small fraction of the working population and are terminally jingoist and pro-imperialist. The handful of prominent "socialist" personalities that could serve as a rallying point are traitors and will not do shit. The American people have no existing channels of mounting organized opposition to something like this.
>>2623304I still haven't read much about Yakovlev. Is he just your average liquidationist or are there more things to him other than that and glasnost?
>>2623314NOOOOO VENEZUALA DIDNT GO FULL CUCK NOOO THEY JUST COINCIDENTALLY TURNED ALL THEIR AIR DEFENCE OFF RIGHT NOW
>>2623270ok in the 30s. Once Khrushchev stabbed him in the back it split western leftists on Stalin and his popularity faded rapidly. CPUSA's immediate decline shows that.
And while Mao did try his best to keep regard for Stalin alive, Mao's many failures and later siding with USA against the USSR split views even further. He's having a resurgence now but that's after decades of leftist failure and people are realizing he was a towering success compared to what came after.
>No idea why the Left spent so long supporting this shitholeIt was desperation.
>>2623314He didn't have a gun to his head
>>2623312>No idea why the Left spent so long supporting this shithole and dogshit Government after Chavez kicked it.The same reason china does, it hinders the global us hegemony
>>2623302>China cares only about China anad that is goodMaximising self interest can limit opportunities, and engage in self destructive behaviour. Such as the anti Soviet foreign policy in the 20th century. Especially during the late period.
>>2623311Chinese suicide rates are low af
>>2623313The American volk as a whole is to blame.
>>2623322
>English speaking furry on social media
Either a sock puppet account or an anarchist
>>2623312>the PSUV was ubercorrupt and was doomed to fail<it has for ages not collapsed, instead the americans are the ones ensuring the fall of PSUV in a regime chamge.genuinely, you, the cucktin poster, the iraqi leftcom and that orion poster/baiter are the absolute scum of this site and should kys
It's so dumb to say that the reason for American actions is that Trump "needs to keep face". He just got out of the epstein files situation unharmed. He can always shut up and everyone will forget in less than two weeks. Spectacle brain is a serious disease.
Imagine being an Oil Sheikh and waking up to this news.
>>2623329I know you think you're being cute by using fascist terminology "ironically" but you're just showing that your inability to understand class and your tendency to view everything through a national lens has a great deal in common with fascism.
>>2623334TVTICAL TRUTH NVKE
>>2623322
>free access to our oil
cuck bros……………..
>>2623335most people here are just fascists
>>2623330>>2623336He literally offered to open up for US invesments yesterday.
The furry didn't lie about a thing, he just shared his theory.
If Venezuela falls Cuba is next. Then Nicaragua is isolated and they go as well. South America falls under complete US subjugation. At this point there's nothing that can be done. America cannot be fought by conventional means anymore they have trillion dollar military budgets and throw all their society's resources and smartest people into propaganda and researching new ways of killing civilians. The only way to win is to respond asymmetrically AKA nuke every American city and hope that future generations can lead Humanity forward. Otherwise it'll just be America slapping its dick on the rest of the Earth for eternity.
all this is convincing me that the only way to kill capitalism is through climate change
>>2623334Eternal südamerikan war on terror will begin NAO
Give me liberty timeline is coming
I called this a couple of weeks ago. Alas, back then it was doomerism so my post got deleted for repeating the bloody obvious.
I'm looking forward to see where the China/Russia #1 retards go when the situation develops as well. Surely when the Edmundo/Machado regime takes power.Surely China/Russia will not be getting their hidrocarbon contracts. Surely Cuba and Nicaragua (Colombia?) won't be next.
Surely everyone in the EU (looking at you Spain, you monument to social fascism) will be against this in the same way all the Democrats are "against" Republican foreign policy. Boy, are all the EU socdems gonna pokerface the same as with MENA.
In fact lets see what the "Socialist Party"(PSOE) in government, currently Hosting Edmundo Gonzalez (and previously big fans of Guaidó) has to say:
https://www.exteriores.gob.es/es/Comunicacion/Comunicados/Paginas/2026_COMUNICADOS/Comunicado-en-relacion-a-la-situacion-en-Venezuela.aspx
>Statement regarding the situation in Venezuela
>The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is closely monitoring the situation in Venezuela, in coordination with our partners in the European Union and the countries of the region.
>In constant contact with our Embassy and Consulate in Caracas and the consular emergency unit, we are monitoring the situation of the Spanish community in the country.
>The staff of the Embassy and Consulate of Spain in Caracas, as well as their families, are all well.>Spain calls for de-escalation and moderation, and for acting always with respect for International Law and the principles of the UN Charter.>In this regard, Spain is willing to offer its good offices to achieve a peaceful and negotiated solution to the current crisis.
>Spain reiterates that it has not recognized the results of the July 28, 2024 elections and has always supported initiatives to achieve a democratic solution for Venezuela. It also reiterates that it has welcomed, and will continue to welcome, tens of thousands of Venezuelans who have had to leave their country for political reasons and that it is prepared to assist in the search for a democratic, negotiated, and peaceful solution for the country. Yeap, nose firmly pinched, gaze resolutely averted. Get it over with, orange man!
>>2623335Americans are the ennemies of the world proletariat.
>>2623323At the massive cost of making the left look like morons who support a tinpot dictator starving his own people while he funnells billions into his and his mates bank accounts.
What did all that "critical support for Maduro" do beyond make the left look like unhinged losers… again?
Chavez was worth supporting despite having many of the similar problems, more because he was far more pragmatic and ideologically driven. Maduro was always a corrupt yesman hack who basically just used his entire time in power to loot the country.
Maduro was literally Yeltsin tier.
>>2623331Dude if like 5 bombs is enough to get your President literally yeeted and Government in freefall, then yes, it's a failed state.
>>2623335This, the US is a proletarian nation while Washinton DC is a imperialist nation
>>2623346The situation in Latin America will become truly desperate. The only thing that can save them then is mass revolution, which America will fight for 20 years but fail to crush as their record with guerrila war tends to go.
I want to say this isn't impossible. Peru 2 years ago came within a hair's breath of revolution. Bolivia is sitting on a powderkeg, and Venezuela itself has a host of radical militias ready to fight for the government, even if the revolution was corrupted.
Other than that, I think the model made by AQ, even if it ended up working with America more than against it (see: Iraq and Libya and Syria) is necessary. The War has to be brought to America's doorstep or else little will change. America must be put under siege by any means necessary.
Not that anyone here (me included) has the means to do that of course. But *some* people do.
>>2623352>Dude if like 5 bombs is enough to get your President literally yeeted and Government in freefall, then yes, it's a failed state.You know the americans did not only used 5 bombs or it, it has been more than one decade of economic and geopolitical terrorism backed by the EU and the west in almost 20 years, or 10 years.
alright you faggots here's a real source and not some random furry on the internet:
>Jan 2 (Reuters) - Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro said in a New Year's interview that his country is willing to receive U.S. investment in its oil sector, coordinate in the fight against drug trafficking and hold serious talks with the United States.<"We must start to speak seriously, with the facts in hand," Maduro said in his annual interview with a Spanish journalist, originally published in Mexican newspaper La Jornada and broadcast on Venezuelan state television on New Year's Day.https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuelas-maduro-holds-out-olive-branch-us-suggests-serious-talks-2026-01-02/Maduro cucked out, sold out Venezuela, and turned himself in to the US.
>>2623359They always see everything in a vacuum. Things just happen, never any context or prelude.
>>2623346No, it means that it's over for Russia as a hydrocarbons exporter. Americans can and will use the newly gained leverage in the oil market to crush Russia and Iran and any other oil-exporting nation that doesn't comply economically. Because they have more than half of the world's supply if Venezuela is theirs.
>>2623352>At the massive cost of making the left look like morons who support a tinpot dictator starving his own people while he funnells billions into his and his mates bank accounts. Look man. I agree with you that maduro is a fucking dumbfuck.
But this optics argument is bullshit, because the capitalists make every communist state look like a corrupt dictatorship in their media. In all of history. Using this logic you just end up with Trotskyist logic, not supporting anything that actually exists or existed because it has flaws which are zoomed in on.
I am just saying why leftists supported Venezuela.
99 percent of leftists in the west haven't read any actual theory and those that have cannot do anything but blindly immitate given formulas even if the entire context is different. So how about you stop bitching about the left and start educating them irl to build something with people who can actually synthesise a real new analysis and practical application in your local condition.
>>2623348JDPON vindicated btw! No one in the Left in America is capable or willing to resist this. At least in Britain there is Palestine Action. But no such group exists in America.
First Worlders should follow the model of Danish KAK and funnel weapons and money to 3rd world revolutionaries to maximise dead Amerifats
>>2623361>anarcho-nihilist flag Do you even care? If anarchists exist in Venezuela how is this not a good thing that maduro is gone?
>>2623361As I have pointed out in this thread
>>2594810 I do not understand the endless cucking done by literally everyone.
If the DPRK suddenly gave up its nukes tomorrow, I'll lose my mind
>>2623156so they can get blown the fuck out too? lol
>>2623365no one outside of deluded idiots actually think maduro isn't a corrupt piece of shit, that's the difference, he really is corrupt, also implying venezuela is "communist" is certainly interesting
See why nobody takes you seriously? You shill for whatever retard for years and then this happens and you left holding your prick…
>>2623367
No because as soon as the North Koreans realized that happened they would start lobbing nukes at America. America can only bully countries that don't have nukes. Socialist organizations should start agitating for unlimited nuclear proliferation as a counter to Western imperialism.
>>2623372China wins every single time against america
too much manpower, too large a navy, too many drones and missiles
they just refuse to show them off for some godforsaken reason
>>2623373You have no facts or evidence to back up your claims of Maduro being corrupt you only have the blatant liars and propagandists of the Western media feeding you a narrative you are all too happy to slop up. For fuck's sake Trump accused Maduro of being a drug trafficker when Venezuela isn't even part of any drug smuggling route.
now why couldnt cucktin do this to zelensky. Is he stupid?
>>2623315>I still haven't read much about Yakovlev. Is he just your average liquidationist or are there more things to him other than that and glasnost?Yakovlev is worse than the average liquidationist. He was an active hostile entity in the top leadership of the Soviet state, that turned state and party state media to attack the state's own idealogy. He headed commissions that introduced fake historical information. He actively collaborated with separatist soviet republic leaders, and the separatist movement. He actively encouraged, and came up with foreign policy, that weaken the position of communism on the world stage. He was also responsible for destroying the Soviet political system, via convincing Gorbachev to create the Soviet presidency, with the intention of destroying the system.
There also so much anti communist stuff he said. He admitted to having a "totalitarian" plot to taking down "the Soviet totalitarian regime" (his words). He said "Lenin was worse than Hitler". There's even a Soviet document, that he gave to Gorbachev that proves, Gorbachev and Yakovlev were up to no good.
>>2623361CIA ahh talking points
We can expect much more of these
backhanded compliments to US imperialism. From people positively hysteric about Trump personally, to establish their "left" credentials, while they smuggle NATO propaganda.
inb4 "the economy is doing better"
inb4 "they arr cracking down on crime"(like Bukele supporters lol)
inb4 "Maduro sold Venezuelans"
inb4 muh liberal democracy! Muh votes!
inb4 "He was no angel"
inb4 "Muh narcosobrinos"
inb4 "muh economic missmanagement"
inb4 "Muh moderate compradors"
inb4 "muh popular gusano mandate"
inb4 "muh diaspora!"
inb4 "muh regional government (post hoc) support"
inb4 "muh peaceful transition"
inb4 "muh international law"(UNSC voting with the US after they receive their bribes)
>>2623352>Maduro was always a corrupt yesman hack who basically just used his entire time in power to loot the country.bro was a bus driver. He didn't have the military background like Chavez to keep their support. "Bribing" the military was all he could do until he went full dictator, but he didn't have the guts.
>>2623361I don't think he turned himself in. Those statements showed weakness and the military saw blood in the water.
When the resistance is rooted in the struggle of its people you get Gaza.
When it's disconnected from the people and succumbs to selfish desires you get Syria and Venezuela
>>2623361Good thing the workers are armed and have revolutionary conciousness, built over these years by socialists, right?
>>2623361>>2623374multipolaribros i'm thinking we should put the proletariat as dictator instead of third world bernie sanderses in charge
>>2623370I mostly use this flag for historical reasons
>>2623371I don't know a whole lot about Venezuela in particular but North Korea is very ideologically driven on account of the US genociding like a third of their civilian population in the Korean War and then never being held accountable for it. Maduro pulling some shit like this from what I do know about him is not at all surprising though, especially considering that the US trying to pull off an operation like this without it being a negotiated transfer is a far more implausible explanation as far as I'm concerned. we're talking about the same regime that has had multiple incidents of national security being compromised by its bourgeois looter kleptocrats not even following basic ass infosec and having their shit leaked from random third party Signal apps.
>>2623376it's like the old Kissinger quote about being the US's friend
>>2623367no arguments to defend this:
>>2623352 so you resort to talking about muh korea instead of pointing how venezuela was supposed to fall without centuries of burger savagery
>>2623373It was a manner of speaking, he is a social Democrat who nominally resisted the goals of the us empire.
The more interesting discussion is not whether or not he is corrupt or socialist or socdem or communist or whatever. It is what communists should say about them. Should we put focus our propaganda to the masses on the fact that maduro is corrupt? What would that push them to do? Or should be omit that in mass propaganda and focus instead on the fact that he, like other flawed governments like ghadaffi, is better than the alternative. Is that defending? Is that siding? What will that push the people to do?
Is the goal of a communist organisation to send every non communist citizen the full and open truth as we see it even if they cannot comprehend it yet and will not believe the essential parts? Or is it to constantly raise the class consciousness of the people by taking them from where they are to one higher level of clarity? Will saying "we hate maduro he is corrupt" to class unconcious workers help the global proletarian movement?
Note how messaging for fellow communists is different from mass propaganda, hence why communist parties don't have an open membership structure. Being a communist and following a communist party are different things.
>>2623386gaza is a wasteland now, raped by the israelis and their enablers, syria is a country that's started to rebuild
>>2623217True 'em will be when Venezuelan cartels start flooding the US with fentanyl now that there is no government to suppress them…
>>2623391mfs forgot the "critical" part of "critical support" and instead uncritically stan whatever the fuck posturing about on the internet will make them look more based in front of their peer group. same shit as everywhere else these days. it's so tiresome.
This is multipolarism in action btw. Now it's the time for communists to act under the chaos.
What the fuck is where it is coming all those "anti-campist" leftcom glowies bringing assad and gaza amidst that as also blaming russia over the US invasion.
>>2623395>Syria is a country that's started to rebuildIf by "rebuild" you mean it's now run by a jihadist lunatic who's eager to carry out an ethnic cleansing or three, in addition to having privatized everything off to Wall St, then sure lol
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/syrias-islamist-rulers-overhaul-economy-with-firings-privatization-state-firms-2025-01-31/ >>2623386nice metaphysics
>>2623403>that as also blaming russia over the US invasion.What? Where?
>>2623403>where it is coming all those "anti-campist" leftcom glowiesAre they in the room with us right now? I wish this place gets flooded with them.
Why are so many leaders cucks even as the US is shooting at the them? I am baffled by the world
US just did a 1989 Panama incursion on Venezuela, damn. They even brought the Chinook helicopters. Wow.
Chavismo is quite entrenched in the venezuelan military anyways, so the more possible outcome is 4 years of right-wing cuckery that solves nothing and Venezuela coming back to chavismo just like that (the right-wing in venezuela is utterly incompetent and will embarrass themselves in some retarded way). Or not even that, Chavismo just gets a new guy and that's it (which might even be a good thing, Maduro was not a popular guy in Venezuela).
>ultras running defense for the empire yet again
Trot to neocon pipeline is real
They either deserved it or let it happen. Slow ass helicopters are moving targets for any country infantry.
>>2623392>we're talking about the same regime that has had multiple incidents of national security being compromised by its bourgeois looter kleptocrats not even following basic ass infosec and having their shit leaked from random third party Signal apps.The New Atlas will have a field day with this.
Unironically the best geopolitics analyst that doesn't inject hopium into his analysis like the rest.
If only countries had him as their strategist, the US Empire would have been over yesterday.
Honestly, everyone in the so-called Axis of Resistance are idiots, except Ansar Allah (Houthis)
>>2623411Paper tigers dude. They are only strong when it comes to oppressing their own unarmed people.
fuck'em
>>2623421>oppressing their own unarmed people.go eat a bag of dog shit
>>2623421Ewwwww stinky ultras
>>2623319>THEY JUST COINCIDENTALLY TURNED ALL THEIR AIR DEFENCE OFF RIGHT NOWIraq had thousands of SAM systems, and the US still managed to suppress them without major aerial losses.
Venezuela has maybe a dozen or so SAM systems in active service, mostly S-125 Pechora-2M, Buk-M2E, and S-300VM. It would be really hard for these to shoot down a modern stealth plane. They were probably the first targets to get bombed to allow for helicopters to fly in.
https://x.com/FrostArxtic/status/2007356090821030217this video is either a SAM launcher or a MLRS cooking off.
>>2623428Iraq attempted to fire back
>>2623419Yeah, this shit is sus. The helis in the footage didn't even fly low "below radar", even though I'm not sure this even works at the open sea, where they came from.
>>2623404something I've noticed about a lot of leftists in the first world is that they seem to fall for the same naive, gullible, black and white moralistic thinking as everyone else. they are very willing to believe that everything that's been said about a particular dictator must be CIA propaganda because the people they don't like don't like the dictator, which means he must actually be based and redpilled. but it is in fact possible for the history of a country like Venezuela to be a complicated one of successfully resisting US imperialism and being a thorn in its side for a long time as a result, but not having the same resilience and ingenuity of countries like Cuba and North Korea to survive being effectively made a pariah of the entire world and having to be entirely self-sufficient while also being extremely tiny countries.
it is in fact possible for a regime to simply have degenerated and be corrupt in such a way that a regime change is still bad on the basis of being US imperialism but also no great loss for the real movement or whatever and in this case probably could not have even happened without the regime being degenerated.
>>2623420never watched New Atlas before but Geopolitical Economy Report is basically the only channel left that I still pay attention to on that cesspit of a platform so I will probably check him out
TRUTH: Communism are socialism don't mix. Either do one or the other, but not both at the same time.
>>2623437I'm assuming this arcane reasoning is your attempt at explaining why you are defending the empire
>>2623433
Kill all BordigiSSt Left-KKKoms
>>2623431It was a negotiated exit. Already confirmed. Basically the choice was be detained or be killed in a decap strike. Maduro chose to live. The Kremlin could give Zelensky that choice, but that would upset the Western partners….
>>2623438
>The revolution must be pure or I side with the empire!
Trot to neocon pipeline is real
>>2623438
>le proletariat don't have nations
>but we will backhand support wars that subjugate those nations that are against the biggest linchpin of capitalism
bruh.
>>2623433
>americans rape venezuela freely, steal all the oil while starving cuba out of energy
<but what about the venezuelan ""bourgeoise""/state capitalists, maduro sir was opressing the workers so it is good the americans kidnap him and install a puppet
leftcoms are again on the side of NATO
>>2623446>backhand support warsHow is saying this was inevitable "supporting"
>>2623443Seems like a dumb decision if true. Going out as a martyr is better than turning yourself in to probably die in an American prison anyways.
Bordigists are agents of imperialism.
>>2623445
That's me bruh. I say that and speak like that and look like that
>>2623449
Since when have we decided that socialism wasn't the transitional state between capitalism and communism anymore
>>2623414Abu Wal'a (person the image) is an Iranian cuck who recently disarmed at the request of AmeriKKKa LMAOOOOO
>>2623451
>Neither moscow or washingtom the revolution must side
<yeaaaaah, see that country in latin america opposing the US, thanks god the americans bombed them lmao bunch of losers, now i must sit my ass to post on leftypol.com
>>2623448how not being against this happening not support by innaction you "communist" ?.
>>2623451>I am not supporting the smaller capitalist regime againts the bigger capitalist regime, Sorry!yet you support the bigger anyway, womp womp another enemy of the US defeated and current capitalism lines streghted and more proles dead, who cares, not you, that is an lazy retard.
>>2623438
would if they won doe?
1.000 years of neoliberalism isnt even a meme at this point
>>2623462
>here is shit no one said.
The yanks will get away with it there is no hope the American Empire has won eternally.
>>2623462
nobody said that, the discussion is over venezuela btw
>>2623462
Communism literally isn't possible without revolutionary action dip shit. Revolution happens in the real world and it will always be flawed as a result. Live with it or stay in Plato's cave
>nooooo it's not revolution unless they hit the instant communism button! It must be morally pure just like Marx said!
>>2623428>Iraq had thousands of SAM systemsIraq had around 140 soviet junk from the cold war during the gulf war. Most US loses were due to air to air combat with the Iraqi air force rather than ground defences
The Iraqi air force was also soviet junk and relied on ground systems that were destroyed
It's really just America using overwhelming force against non threats
>>2623451
Please do not use the word "imperialism" if you're incapable of understanding the qualitative difference between a country like the USA (a heavily financialized superpower that completed full industrialization well over a century ago and has a long and sordid history of colonialism) and a country like Venezuela. It just makes you sound brain damaged that you could compare these two vastly different countries with vastly different dynamics on the global stage and accuse them both of simply playing the "imperialism game."
>>2623469
The nazis invaded the USSR, but you would support them if they reached moscow by 1941 because the USSR is a "imperialist minor power" and they would be deserved to fall
>>2623480you are arguing with a troll. report, hide, and move on.
>>2623460he is stupid kkrakker
>>2623404>>2623434He wasn't a dictator but a loser socdem who the US hated, sabotaged and sanctioned because Chavez wouldn't kiss their ass.
>>2623429Unironically he would have lasted longer as a narcoterrorist instead of relying on his official position as president.
>>2623471
In that case communism is basically a wishy washy term too, used by reformist froces in many countries such as france. I just think of socialism through its original marxist definition
>>2623266>American people are to blame. Stop deflecting on Xi.Multipolaroid cope is immaculate. It's funny how even when "internationalism" would benefit them, socdems just are too nationalist to care.
>>2623434In a nutshell, socialist countries fell because they weren't radical enough, and didn't enforce enough red terror to purge reactionaries. Look at Cuba, its prison population is surprisingly big. The collaborators and fascists don't have a chance to spread their rot, unlike in Venezuela where that bitch and Guaido were allowed to roam free.
Batina, batina!
>never watched New Atlas before but Geopolitical Economy Report is basically the only channel left that I still pay attention to on that cesspit of a platform so I will probably check him outThe New Atlas and Geopolitical Economy Report are the only ones I watch at this point. Believe me, the former is good, even though he doesn't analise things from Marxist perspective, he's extremely good at exposing US strategy and ruthlessly criticises incompetency on the anti-imperialist side, without using such terminology. Check him out
>>2623469
>source?
innaction at imperialist action is support.
cry about it.
>Muh nazis
Nazis wanted to be another america, and at the time there were actual options that were not imperialist powers, which you wound disregard and appeat to empty platitutes.
>take a guess
neither one or the other but be happy that the weaker opposition got destroyed and its resources taken by the great global imperialist force.
>>2623472
neither a lie nor support for simple social democracy, dilate harder.
>>2623457This excuse is even used by liberals in europe trying to make socdem governments bro.
>Bondi says Maduro will face "full wrath" of US justice on American soil. Writing on social media early Saturday morning, Bondi cited the indictment against Maduro charging him with “Narco-Terrorism Conspiracy, Cocaine Importation Conspiracy, Possession of Machineguns and Destructive Devices, and Conspiracy to Possess Machineguns and Destructive Devices against the United States.”
What does he risks realistically, how are they gonna get real sentances for bullshit charges like narco terrorism lol
>>2623404
The truth that nobody wanted to speak on
why when atheletes, doctors, and engineers seek perfection it's considered a good thing but when communists seek perfection it's considered a bad thing
>>2623491>he thinks trots are leftcomsSir you must be over 14 to post here
>>2623498
>the USSR supported the Nazis lol
Leftcom or neoliberal challange.
>>2623497Obviously I dont think Trots are left-coms lol. Its just a funny little parallel
I can't believe china is going to do nothing, the humiliation ritual will never end.
>>2623498
>political economy
stop using terms you don't know the meaning of
>>2623489thanks anon I will look out for whatever he releases on the current happening
>>2623472
Me when I post my own black propaganda
>>2623501
wah wah, someone called out my tactical submission to the US !
>>2623504
reported for imperialist apologia on a communist site.
>>2623449
USSR had it all but still got eventually undermined by liberal scum because the leadership became softer and softer after Stalin. As long as the EU / UK and the USA exist there is no way around a hard line against even the most remote bit of liberalism if you want to have a sovereign country and don't let the "west" reap the fruits of your own labour.
DPRK does it right, China seems stable too. Cuba also still holds, but i hear they introduced some questionable "reforms" in recent years.
>>2623498
>the nazis and soviets were buddy/buddy
my bet is that someone from reddit found this place, put a leftcom flag and started trolling
>>2623498
>It's not my problem you do not understand political economy
I have actually read Marx and Engels while you very clearly have not, so I would dispute this.
>Venezuela is a capitalist nation
Obviously.
>with a small ruling class
Correct.
>hat engaged in primitive accumulation of oil and other natural reservess
That's not what "primitive accumulation" means. You have at best read a Wikipedia article on Capital and even that seems like it's giving you too much credit.
>never used them to provide wealth and prosperity to the people of Venezuela
This is not what imperialism means. I never said Venezuela isn't capitalist. I said they aren't imperialist, which they aren't.
>>2623513Wow so now Americans will surely stop consuming extraordinary amounts of drugs, we will see the effects so fast for sure
>>2623514that's just regular leftcom posting, they always side with libs and imperialists
>>2623518
>multipolarite hero
>secretly bent over to western imperialism
I'm NOTICING a pattern
>>2623521
>communist "site" becomes "state
being illiterate must be hard.
>>2623525
which capitalist regime is a genocidal ethnocratic regime that commited the worst industrial genocide of 21th century, and aimed to colonize and settle half of the european continent enacting racial laws, and which state isnt? your imperialist propaganda falls flat even if you is ""true"""
This site keeps removing my name. Whyyyyyy?
>>2623526Many such cases.
>>2623525
only if you believe capitalism can exist with no private apropriation or private property, required proprieties of capitalism.
>muh state capitalism
none of the examplary of this abolished either of these things.
>>2623532
>tankie
*kautskyite
>>2623532
>cite Marx and Engels where they say true communism is supporting a small latin america capitalist state
they supported poland on a war against Russia uygha.
>>2623535This has meme potential.
>>2623513>Possession of Machineguns and Destructive Devices, and Conspiracy to Possess Machineguns and Destructive Devices against the United StatesIsn't that called commanding the military of a sovereign state?
>>2623518
>getting appropriately compensated for selling your raw resources and using it to fund your social programs is equal to "giving" them
wtf
>>2623498
>with a small ruling class that engaged in primitive accumulation of oil and other natural reservess and never used them to provide wealth and prosperity to the people of Venezuela.
thats literally untrue, the whole point of chavismo is using natural reserves to fund social programs and developement
you should really kys you pro imperialist glowie fucker
marx and engels supported the US instead of mexico, over developing the produtive forces. since the americans are here to occupy and rape, it would be other history…
OH I FORGOT, THEY ARE DEAD UNTIL CONVENIENTLY a imperialist brings him
>>2623532
>The only reason Venezuelean bougies have oil and resources is because of colonialism lol
How is that relevant? Venezuela has been a proper bourgeois state for a century.
>>2623544
so you are delusional and wants to put the circle in the square hole like a kautskiite with liberal democracy ?.
i knew you people were left-Kautskiites, but it was less obvious.
I hope every single person involved in this turns into pink mist
>>2623548he died after being sodomized by the people he oppressed doe
>>2623548Assad fought like a lion for over a decade
>>2623548Saddam had more dignified death than any of those howeverbeit
its over
>>2623551Just because some people killed him doesn't mean the Libyan people were against him. A defining charachter of the civil war in Libya is that the rebellion was localised in the East. It was not a pan-Libyan experience
>>2623548uygha he was raped to death and then raped after death
Nicolas Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, have been indicted in the Southern District of New York. Nicolas Maduro has been charged with Narco-Terrorism Conspiracy, Cocaine Importation Conspiracy, Possession of Machineguns and Destructive Devices, and Conspiracy to Possess…
— Attorney General Pamela Bondi (@AGPamBondi) January 3, 2026
>>2623550
>some fucking retard decided to arguee against the opposite
You insisted that it is 'primitive accumulation'
>>2623557Compare that to Syria where all major cities experienced upheavals.
>>2623550
>No, I just understand the difference between commodity production and communism
no, you just don't understand what a system is and what it requires to exist, so you try to hyperfocus at an single aspect to cope.
Based on the provided text, this is a discussion thread from a leftist imageboard ("leftypol") about escalating tensions and potential military conflict between the United States and Venezuela. Here is a summary of what's happening:
Core Situation:
The thread is titled "/US-Venezuela war/ #4" and is dedicated to discussing what the posters see as imminent U.S. aggression against Venezuela. The catalyst is a series of actions by the Trump administration, including the seizure of Venezuelan oil tankers and the announcement of a naval blockade, framed as an attempt to steal Venezuela's oil and natural resources.
Key Events & Discussion Points:
U.S. Military Buildup & Blockade: Anons discuss a significant U.S. military presence in the Caribbean, including amphibious assault ships and aircraft. The focus is on President Trump's executive actions to blockade Venezuelan oil exports, which users condemn as an act of piracy and a violation of international law.
Speculation of Imminent Invasion/Strikes: There is intense speculation that a full-scale U.S. military operation is about to begin. This is fueled by:
Trump's public threats and claims of having already struck a "big facility" in Venezuela.
Live reports (towards the end of the thread) of explosions and helicopter assaults in Caracas, with users sharing videos and claiming U.S. Special Forces are conducting a decapitation strike targeting President Nicolás Maduro and his government.
The belief that the U.S. aim is regime change, installing the U.S.-backed opposition figure María Corina Machado.
Debate on Venezuelan Resistance & Outcome:
Pessimists/Cynics: Argue that Venezuela's military is no match for the U.S., that China and Russia (Venezuela's allies) will not meaningfully intervene due to fear of escalation or self-interest, and that the U.S. will succeed quickly, potentially toppling Maduro.
Optimists/Supporters of Venezuela: Argue that a U.S. invasion would become a protracted guerrilla war like Vietnam or Afghanistan, citing Venezuela's rugged terrain, large pro-government militias (claimed to be 4 million strong), and the potential for it to bleed and weaken the American empire. They urge Venezuela to destroy its own oil infrastructure to deny the U.S. the prize.
Internal Leftist Debates: The thread features common leftist infighting:
Electoralism vs. Revolution: A debate on whether voting for U.S. Democrats ("vote blue no matter who") is a form of harm reduction or pointless when both parties are imperialist.
"Tankie" vs. "Ultra" rhetoric: Supporters of Maduro ("tankies") clash with others who criticize him as a bourgeois dictator, with some dismissing his opponents as "gusanos" (a derogatory term for Cuban/Venezuelan exiles).
Multipolarity Critique: Many users express frustration and disillusionment with China and Russia ("Cucktin" is a common insult for Putin here), arguing they are failing to support Venezuela materially, proving they are not serious counterweights to U.S. hegemony.
Overall Tone:
The mood is a mixture of anger, dread, grim speculation, and blackpill (cynical despair). Posters are tracking the situation in real-time, sharing news links and social media reports, while debating the strategic implications and morality of the conflict. The final pages shift from speculation to apparent real-time reporting of a military operation underway in Caracas, leading to a sense of impending doom for the Venezuelan government.
In essence: This is a live, chaotic forum discussion by leftists watching and arguing about what they believe is the start of a U.S.-led war to overthrow the Venezuelan government and seize its resources.
This is the immediate continuation and discussion following the events described in the previous thread. Here’s a summary of what’s happening:
Core Event: The U.S. Military Operation in Caracas
The thread begins with users reacting to breaking news: a major U.S. military operation in Caracas, Venezuela, in the early hours of January 3rd. The operation involved airstrikes, helicopter assaults (including Chinooks and Black Hawks), and special forces on the ground.
Key Claims and Developments:
Capture of Nicolás Maduro: The central, shocking claim is that U.S. forces have captured President Nicolás Maduro. This is based on a post from U.S. President Donald Trump on Truth Social and statements from U.S. officials like Senator Mike Lee. The operation is framed as an arrest to bring Maduro to the U.S. to stand trial on drug trafficking and other charges.
Nature of the Attack: Users share videos and reports of explosions across Caracas and other states (Miranda, Aragua, La Guaira). The U.S. strikes reportedly targeted military facilities, ports, and even the home of the Defense Minister. The operation appears to have been a swift decapitation strike.
Venezuelan Response: The Venezuelan Defense Minister, Vladimir Padrino, appears in a video declaring that Venezuela will resist the presence of foreign troops and reports civilian casualties. Other government figures, like Vice President Delcy Rodríguez, are stated to be alive and free, suggesting the core of the Chavista government remains.
Major Threads of Discussion & Debate:
How was this possible? Users are stunned that the U.S. could fly helicopters over the capital with apparent impunity. Theories range from a complete collapse/sell-out of the Venezuelan military and air defense to the operation being a pre-negotiated surrender by Maduro (citing his recent interview offering U.S. investment in oil).
"Multipolarity" in Crisis: There is widespread mockery and despair directed at China and Russia for their perceived inaction. Users note that Chinese diplomats were in Caracas during the attack, and neither power has done anything beyond issuing statements. This is seen as a massive failure of the "multipolar world" narrative.
Internal Leftist Schisms: The crisis exacerbates existing divides:
"Tankies" vs. "Ultras"/"Leftcoms": Supporters of Maduro and anti-imperialist solidarity clash with others who criticize Maduro as a corrupt bourgeois dictator. Some left communists argue that supporting one capitalist state (Venezuela) against a more powerful one (the U.S.) is not a communist position.
Critique of "Critical Support": Many users express frustration that the left spent years offering "critical support" to a government they see as fundamentally flawed and corrupt, only for it to collapse instantly, making the left look foolish.
Geopolitical Implications: Posters fear this is the beginning of the end for leftist governments in Latin America, predicting Cuba and Nicaragua will be next. They see it as a massive victory for U.S. hegemony and a catastrophe for global anti-imperialism.
What Next? Some argue the fight isn't over, as Chavismo is more than just Maduro and a guerrilla resistance could form. Others believe the U.S. will now install a puppet regime (likely involving opposition figure María Corina Machado) and seize Venezuela's oil, completing the imperialist project.
Overall Tone:
The mood is one of shock, anger, and profound blackpill (cynical despair). The speed and apparent ease of the operation have demoralized many. The thread is filled with real-time reactions, sharing of (often unverified) social media reports, and fierce ideological blame-setting. It captures the moment the long-threatened U.S. intervention appears to have become a dramatic, violent reality.
Its great to see how religious 1st world westerners keep using marxism as a bible and not as a general method.
Please, go outside, make some friends, and go to therapy before you ever set foot in a single worker organization ever. Your own ego will convince yourself that you can make better work being anything other than a waterboy for more capable members.
>>2623443I'd always prefer death over being in a US rape dungeon. Fucking hell!
>>2623450I guess not only regular people suffer from short memory, but also leaders of countries. Does nobody remember Gaddafi's fate???
Burgers still haven't provided proof to Venezuelan authorities that Maduro is alive. For all we know, he has been terribly mutulated by CIA agents living out their anti-communist rape fantasies (despite Maduro being none)
Unbelievable that Sahel states have better security for their leaders than Venezuela.
I'm probably jinxing it now. Inb4 tomorrow Ibrahim Traoré gets assassinated with how everyone is bending over backwards to embolden the US Empire. FFS)
So how does #winning feel, Multipola-sistas?
>>2623532
>cite Marx and Engels where they say true communism is supporting a small latin america capitalist state
Defending the workers of one country from slaughter and subjugation by the bourgeoisie of another country is an elementary internationalist and proletarian demand. By saying "They are both capitalist countries and thus I wash my hands of it all" you are effectively betraying the workers of Venezuela to bombs, torture, and, of course, the inevitable privatization of state resources and the ensuing poverty and social murder.
You of course, do not understand this because despite your protestations, you do not care about the fate of the Venezuelan workers or any other workers. Your sociopathic blitheness about their being bombs, starved, murdered, and tortured by US jackboots speaks to this. No doubt you would have evinced a similar sociopathic blitheness about white phosphorous being dropped on Iraqi children or US soldiers shooting and burning entire Vietnamese villages.
Stupidpol magatards are cheering this on
>>2623513Ridiculous charges. I guess US law is now world law.
>>2623571yes, they are in command, despite seething of wishful thinkers
>>2623569
>private property is a nothingburger bro, classes exist based on the ather and feelings, they are just managers bro.
oh no bro, this uygha is an idealist.
2 and a half hour until we see Maduro and Trump drinking margaritas in Mar-a-Lago.
>>2623574Yeah don't they usually atleast try and bother to set up some "international tribunal" rather than use US law and axtually hold court in mainland US?
>>2623580
do you think the American invasion and rise of ISIS we’re fine because Saddam wasn’t a perfect communist?
Report hamsic anon, he's a stupid wrecker
so any photos of maduro
wait he really did it
I tought it was jokes
>>2623590
If they did it still won't make it a communist society
Don’t worry guys china will send a strongly worded letter
>>2623595Next they will kidnap xi
>>2623595this will truly be chinas final warning
>>2623588dude if the political leadership just minmaxes into pure communist build from day 0 it can beat imperialism no issue
>>2623594You guys are obsessed with the supposed moral betreyal of somone running a political fight to force the introduction of the most pitiful social benefits for his city. Total idealism
>>2623594they all will say something like this
>Maduro yadda yadda+
>we are concerned about this threat against 'the rule of law'. >>2623597in all honesty, what would even happen if they did, realistically?
I highly doubt any chinese weapon would be fired if a US blackhawk just waltzed into beijing and some specops held xi at gunpoint.
>>2623584
>it was private property at the hands of the state bro, even thought the abolished private ownership and no one owned the state or the economy as it was all workers managing it.
wack
>workers couldn't freely decide what to work in the morning and what to work in the afternoon
because idealism(b-but it was marx and engels that said this) don't remake farms, change climate seasons or industry lines and tools, despite that any of these workers had involvement in the production of the factories.
but go on, something that never happened in any regime of the developed capitalist west is totally capitalist.
It wouldn't surprise me if Putin had something to do with this negotiated exit. Xi wouldn't do something like this. Xi is a passive disappointer (doesn't do things people wish he'd do), whereas Putin is the active disappointer (does things people wish he wouldn't do).
>>2623459>that is an lazy retard>an lazy retard>an lazyThis site, some times…
>>2623587no. not yet. but all the political class within Venezuela is tacitly admitting he was captured. I am literally watching state news agency live. all governors, mayors, ministers, etc. on the same boat.
>>2623607cope :^)
>>2623608English is a scam, sorry not sorry.
Do people still doubt he was captured, or is this a satirical schizo skit? I know it's Trump, but still…
>>2623588
>>2623603
>capitalist nations go to war because evil particles
(You)'re a liberal
>>2623579by any ballot necessary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lmao so much for muh multipolarity
>>2623620
socialism is when the state gives me a fast and free bus to throw brown people under
>>2623603
Holy fuck man giving over Venezuela to the descendants of the christian fascists of the 20th century that raped to death any semblance of the left wing is not the way forward! How is this difficult to understand? Please do your best to self crit on how contradictions are inevitable and the triumph of communism will be a constant, successful resolution of these contradictions.
One thing is understanding how the rightward shift of Maduro choked out the popular base it needs to maintain the Bolivarian project afloat.
Another thing is to celebrate a return to unlimited reactionary government because somehow a "purer" interpretation of marxism is the only way forward. Your views are based off of religious, moral sentiment, completely ignorant of the real political struggle whose terms are - fundamentally - dictated by the existential threat of the most militarily advanced state in human history
the more reactionary or the more of a wrecker a poster is, the more time he'll go unbanned
>>2623616asking Mamdani to be anything but publicly tepid at best is idealist suicide
>>2623626NEW YORK Anons please bust Maduro out of jail and kill as many people as possible while doing it. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>2623624The mods agree and want everyone to be like this.
>>2623625
>Why do you oppose x great man
<Marxist: Because he was a liberal
<Liberal (You): Because he was le evil billionaire comprador war criminal genocidal authoritarian labubu also nations go to war based on the whims of great men haha :)
>>2623624simply report, eventually he'll get banned. mods don't have time to be here evertime someone like him comes in.
>>2623633
naw man i'm just having a good time rn lmao
>>2623629I made fun of Mamdani supporters with that post!Me calling him Democrat entryist should have been a hint.
>>2623532
Even the most tame of Latin American social democracies is preferable to the US empire. This isn’t an inter imperialist war like Russia and Ukraine.
Say what you will about social democracy, but Venezuela post Chavez has remained relatively anti capitalist and anti imperialist, maintaining a commune system and wealth distribution.
The US empire winning this war is an objective hindrance to the world revolution, even if such a government is a social democracy with communes.
>>2623642
hey anon do you want to have some tea with me? i'm getting ready for bed and it always helps calm me down.
do you have a favourite kind?
>>2623642
Cry more, you bloated lasgna eating edgelord
>>2623633Lmao even, if a politically (economically, militarily, etc) weak proletariat movement would have gone full communism it would have faced the full reactionary sentiment of its armed forces while being backed by every single state in the hemisphere sans Cuba and Nicaragua. Any sort of progress would have been strangled in its first sneeze 27 years ago. Truly the fingerwagging of someone who has only read books and never won anything for the people.
>>2623639Oh, sorry
how the fuck did they pull it off without getting a single helo blown up by an iglas
Honestly, I'm baffled at how free of a reign the US has. I'm sure this is all very complex and at some point they'll declassify enough to see the glow. But it's a Trump admin, and they have managed to undo the pink tide, reinstate actual fascism in Europe as a mainstream political current and stomp MENA into the ground *again*.
IDK maybe "king of the ashes" is not a desirable outcome.
>>2623650>and they have managed to undo the pink tideThere was a pink tide?
>>2623652
left-kun i need to know if you want to have tea with me before it gets cold :c
I will take the most tepid of Latin American Social Democracies over having my country raped by the Z.B.A.P.O.G (Zionist Brahmin Afrikaner Pedophile Occupied Government) and its Amerimutt golems.
The question is when are we raping all AmeriKKKan rats to death? When will we tie them up by their ankles on lampposts and slit their throats?
>>2623649
then why the fuck are you here celebrating the possible demise of the Bolivarian movement and the return of the most barbaric form of reactionaries?
>>2623633
>nothing but empty promises.
im sure the hundreds of thousands people who got significant social services out of the oil revenues, and the thousands of communes self governing dont think those were empty promises
glowies like you should be shot in a just world, but this world sadly is giving the win to the imperialists, and mods are apparently happy to have imperial propaganda propagated by the glowies here
>>2623648there are videos of AA missiles going on, though.
>>2623658The rape breeding program of the Amerimutts will commence alongside Total Euroid Nuclear Annihilation.
>>2623648Completely incompetent military. Shameful display to lose their leader to the enemy like this.
>>2623638
>I'm a liberal
I know, I condoled your mom after I was done plowing her in your armchair.
>>2623664I dont want rape breeding that's wierd and bad. We should just have mass graves amd mass suffering that is all.
>>2623624It do be like that.
>>2623665>incompetent militaryI think the military sold Maduro out.
>>2623661
Thats it? "Lol christian fascists are better than maduro"? The loser left really is something else
>>2623661
i have this really nice loose-leaf tea grown without pesticides and stuff, so i don't need to worry about plastic in my brain but i appreciate your concern <3
>>2623674Hes not leftist but a /pol/ shill.
>>2623673>I think the military sold Maduro out.Is there any evidence for this?
>>2623677rude, left-kun is my fren :c
>>2623652
>you people crying over Maduro losing
Point to me where I do this ITT. Or previous ones for that matter.
My point is this- the revolution doesn’t end with Maduro dying, not when you have a population and government heads who are strictly defending their homes with a bolivarian socialist goal to preserve their autonomy and continue said revolution.
Maduro being some crackpot who cared more about bailing private companies out as opposed to distributing resources to the communes is a valid criticism. What’s not valid and makes you a redditor with a twitterite veneer is pulling a “le both sides are le bad” when one is objectively worse and seeks to strengthen US hegemony and their capitalist economy via destruction of the Bolivarian socialist revolution.
I repeat. in the grand scheme of things, Maduro is irrelevant and even if he’s been kidnapped the show goes on. No amount of posturing in your armchair and quoting Marx and Engels to get a rise out of anons is going to change that.
Lmao, just logged into the global feed to see the whole "multipolar world order" getting Thanos-snapped by reality.
The Copium Cartel is in shambles. All those years of posting maps with BRICS in big, friendly letters, jacking off to "the end of unipolarity," and cheering for every tin-pot dictator who mumbled "sovereignty" between stealing elections.
Where's your axis of resistance now, schizos?
Maduro? Bagged and tagged by the DEA in a Miami courtroom. Thought the CIA was a meme, huh?
Putin? Someone just drove a tractor through his dacha and he sent them a thank-you note. The mighty "Tsar" who can't even secure his own backyard. Where's the escalation? The "asymmetric response"? Just the sound of a zipper as the siloviki change their pants.
Iran's glowing new sun? More like a smoking crater. Turns out "maximum resistance" can't stop a few guided gifts from the sky.
Gaza? On the schedule. The final solution, brought to you with neoliberal efficiency. You posted "from the river to the sea" while the bulldozers did the work.
Assad? Last seen sprinting for the Russian airbase with a suitcase full of teeth, leaving his people to the dust and the drones.
Your "Spartacus uprising" was a LARP. A fantasy for terminally online boys to feel like they were on the right side of history while their "heroes" were just another set of gangsters waiting for their turn to get got. You weren't building a new world, you were providing the villain arc for the old one to justify its final consolidation.
So put down the theory, boys. The Multipolar Moment is over. The beating it took was fatal. The Black Bloc cosplay won't save you. The Spetsnaz fan-fiction won't protect you.
The crosses are going up. And they have your usernames.
Now get in the cage. The adults (read: the unipolar hegemon) are finishing the job.
>NOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT'S A 69D CHESS MOVE BY THE GLORIOUS LEADERS TO REVEAL THE TRUE NATURE OF THE IMPERIALIST BEAST!!!!
>cope
>seethe
>dilate
>your new world is a graveyard
>>2623681hi right-kun, do you want to have tea with left-kun and i?
>>2623681Did you know that the US is only 38% white?
if Venezuela falls latam leftism is dead btw, the next target is Cuba and now it dosent even have any ally there anymore
>>2623671
You bet she was retarded for my 6.5 incher. She was also impressed that I know why capitalist nations go to war unlike lesser 'men' in her life.
>>2623670Nothing wrong with sex
Also facists arent human so they cant abstain consent
Though its still up in the air if it would count as bestiality
>>2623663>>2623648also, there are some unconfirmed reports that the S-300 got some helicopters.
but it's unclear.
>>2623681I dont give a shit sbout liberal brics shitholes. Venezuela is socialist and its a clear loss to the movement.
<BREAKING
>Putin calls for dialogue on developments in Venezuela.
A social democracy with a communes system and wealth distribution guided by bolivarian socialism is preferable to a fascist regime backed by nonces and Nazis.
This shouldn’t be a controversial opinion, even if you disagree fundamentally with Bolivarian socialism or dislike Maduro
>>2623678How else do you explain their complete lack of response?
>>2623692>This shouldn’t be a controversial opinionIt isnt. /pol/ shills are just mining salt for keks.
>>2623692good thing those two aren't the only options, so I can call them both shit
>>2623681Kind of a hilarious post considering the Western capitalist west is getting assraped by China in more ways than one
>>2623693>How else do you explain their complete lack of response?To prevent giving Trump political capital to legally start a war.
>>2623687
> WORD SOUP
I can see Grug no like big words. Never figured your club would fit on your armchair
>>2623692absolutely, like every leftist AT THE VERY LEAST should immediately attack this obvious invasion, and to be fair even in America this camp is rather large. only obnoxious leftcoms and obvious imperialists disagree
>>2623645>Juche being wrong challenge (impossible)People never learn
🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵
>>2623687
Since when have the christian fascists of Venezuela ever done anything other than be the managers of foreign capital in their country? By your logic, the primitive accumulation going on under the Bolivarians is a progressive force
All that chest-thumping about China sanctioning the US looking pretty retarded rn, tbh
>>2623700>legallybrother the last time the US "legally" declared war was against the Axis in WWII
>>2623681>Spartacus uprisingCommunists catching strays in this inter-liberal keyboard war
>>2623697
It seems Grug has problem reading.
Apoist anon never say Venezuela socialist. Apoist anon said it is guided and founded on Bolivarian socialism and policies.
Grug should be aware of transitional phase into socialism, other wise known as DOTP to Grug, will have elements of private property and capitalism for a time.
Grug should also realise said Apoist anon say Venezuela is social democracy with communes, yet this seem to confuse Grug.
>>2623698
>MFW the ultimate cope is "but muh China!"Oh look, the last copium tank in the multipolar motor pool has sputtered to the front. You're telling me, as the entire "anti-imperialist" rogues' gallery gets turned into a CIA trophy room, that the REAL victory is happening off-screen? In the spreadsheets?
Bro, they're letting you have the spreadsheets. They need you to have the spreadsheets. Because while you're posting charts of GDP PPP and high-speed rail mileage, the bombs are falling on your allies, your markets are getting extracted, and your "civilizational alternative" is busy building ghost cities and politely asking its billionaires not to disappear this week.
"Assraped by China"? Let's audit that LARP:
Militarily: Your navy is a coastal defense force that gets tailed by a single US destroyer and pisses itself. Your "carriers" are floating jokes. Your one ally with nukes just got its program turned into a glass parking lot and you did nothing. Not a sanction. Not a warning shot. Just a strongly worded letter to the UN. So much for "overmatch."
Financially: "Dedollarization" is a meme you tell African debt slaves as you repo their ports. Your currency is a controlled substance, your bonds are collapsing, and your "Belt and Road" is a spaghetti strand of debt traps that makes the IMF look like a charity. The West invented that game. You're just playing it badly, and everyone knows you're the mark.
Culturally: Your "civilizational state" is a TikTok filter over a surveillance panopticon so brittle it censors the word "pig." The "Westoxification" you sneer at is what every one of your elites wants for their kids: Ivy League schools, California real estate, and a passport to anywhere but here. You're not conquering us, you're begging to be let into our clubhouse while pretending you built a better one.
Strategically: You're surrounded. Quad. AUKUS. NATO with a Pacific fetish. Your "wolf warrior" diplomats are a global punchline, and every move you make just tightens the noose. You watched Russia get turned into a gas station with missiles and thought "Yes, this is the model."
So please, keep posting your infographics. Keep measuring your victory in tons of steel and miles of track. Let the dopamine hit of a favorable trade statistic sustain you.
Because while you're staring at the spreadsheet, the drone feeds are being watched elsewhere. The sanctions are being drafted elsewhere. The flight paths of the B-21 Raiders are being plotted elsewhere.
Your "assraping" is a managed decline. A controlled burn. They're letting you win the battles they don't care about, so you don't notice you've already lost the war.
The Multipolar World was a permission slip the Unipolar Hegemon handed out so it could find all the dissidents in one place. Check the address on that slip, tankie. The van is outside.
>NOOOO THE INEVITABLE LAWS OF HISTORICAL MATERIALISM—>Get in the van. Historical materialism is driving. >>2623700Why would that matter after your head of state has already been literally extracted? Seems to me they just gave up Maduro to break a deal with the US.
>>2623709
Yes, actually. If you understood what you were talking about, the success (survival, development) of a society depends on the success of its economy, the means for its reproduction
>>2623715right-anon can you try posting without using chatgpt? i think we would appreciate hearing what you have to say for yourself
>>2623718
>unbothered
>>2623696<Tells multipolaristas not to assume final victory against the US is guaranteed, and reminds of the real danger the US Empire still poses.>Somehow copiumYou can't read.
>>2623715That one struck a fucking nerve, geg.
>>2623720I am not right-anon and I am using deepseek so that I waste chinese resources, not american ones.
>>2623722
They dont. The ruling bourgeois factions are the ones that are subjugated by American/European bourgeoisie. This has been its most prominent inter-class conflict since independence 200 years ago.
>>2623725
What about the gorillion coup attempts
>>2623718
nah pretty sure it was because they had 3 million troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan 500k of whom ended up on disability benefits
>>2623727hmmmmmmm. well, if you say so. but i don't think you're doing a very good job at wasting china's resources, since deepseek is much more efficient than any equivalent american technology.
>>2623715chatgpt ass rage bait
>>2623715>building ghost citieslel
>>2623731
Grug seem to still have trouble reading.
>>2623705
Thanks
Fellas, is this historically progressive?
>>2623743
Venezuela is still fighting back and mobilising its military and militias to defend itself, even with the absence of Maduro.
Does Grug need reading glasses too?
>>2623712fake. Maduro is waaaay taller than you average men. 1.95m. he's a giant.
>>2623681>The adults are finishing the job.Yeah the minor attracted adults.
no seriously, despite posting the two deepseek baits (which tbqh is not far from truth, things arent looking that good) I woke up quite angry with these news… I need a fucking stalingrad….
>>2623747
>it’s a conspiracy I tell ya
Ah so Grug is from schizo tribe.
>>2623748>Venezuela is still fighting back and mobilising its military and militias to defend itself, even with the absence of Maduro. Sourcerino?
China and Russia are next after we take over Iran.
>>2623746>thinking China has any strength and spirit to hold Amerikkka accountable Take your meds, schizo. China is ruled by cowards who love to earn a profit
>>2623748>Venezuela is still fighting back and mobilising its military and militias to defend itselfI hope this is the case. They should crackdown on opposition supporters as a response, as well for maximizing the security of the country, against US imperialism.
>>2623747
If the comprador bourgeoisie were completely under control the Bolivarian movement would have not succeeded after the first coup attempt a couple of decades ago. Grug indeed
>>2623762Just like they resisted the helicopters bagging their president
one has to ponder, how much of a chud trump is, that he got to the point of satisfy the miami gusano industrial complex personal vendetta. his ego that he couldn't achieve regime change in Venezuela during his first term was severely damaged, huh.
>>2623766they were having a siesta
>>2623766Again. The Revolution/ movement doesn’t end or stop with Maduro, much like it didn’t end with Lenin, or Castro, or Apo or Mao, or Kropotkin, or Durruti, or Marx.
The fuck is with this great man theory bullshit
>>2623773Didnt know Maduro was the president of spain
>>2623766I dont think maduro was really hiding
Even if he surrendered himself, the US would lie and say seal team six got him.
>>2623777They succesfully sowed instability in the country, retard
>>2623775
>retard who doesn't understand why war happens is also a rapist
shocking!
>>2623372Very silly of you to compare Venezuelan Army with PLA, PLA is very close ( or perhaps even better ) to the US Army standarts in terms of inter-branch organization, doctrines, schooling & integration of cutting edge technology in combat.
Chinese actually has impressive military technologies and probably is developing faster than the US.
who /sp/ here?
Grug needs to go back to cave and learn to read.
Because god forbid, cracking down on opposition- which mostly consists of far right fascists is somehow…. Le bad?
The Venezuelan government never really stood a chance. This is because they are a corrupt capitalist one. The real power lays in the communes and militias, who have the military power in the country. Maduro is pretty much irrelevant compared to the grass roots popular organisations who are pretty much revisionist communists. The Communist Party of Venezuela runs many communes.
What they need to do now is prepare to fight a long-term guerrilla war. They can win this easily even while still being revisionists, what matters is the will of the people to fight. If they adopted Maoist strategies and left behind their revisionism then victory would be certain.
Some useful strategies I have thought of that will be of special effect against the yank pigs: Cut off the testicles of the Yankee soldiers on video and post it to demoralise them. Just general torture and video executions I think would be useful since yanks can't stand it, though the revisionists might be too christcucked to do this. With the wave of refugees that will leave the country, implant some agents that will then conduct terrorist attacks within the U$ borders. Start blowing up skyscrapers in New YorKKK, or just set off bombs in the highest population areas. This kind of action is difficult to stop and will quickly drain the imperialist's will to fight.
>>2623748>>2623797Some militia and venezuellan army with a century agos military tech won't do anything against supersonic jets and strategic bombers.
First as tragedy (Vietnam) then as farce (Venezuela)
>>2623784None of it is tested in combat, in a conflict with the burgers they would probably get mogged hard before they get enough experience and their industrial pushes things the other way, would take years of conflict
>607 replies
>ctrl + f
>"workers" = 16 results
>"win" = 27 results
Holy liberalism
>>2623780
>hilarious that leftypol would defend this
The enemies of the Venezuelan government are comprador bourgeois types. The worst neoliberals imaginable. They need to be ruthlessly crushed in =any== society, so that social gains, and objective progressive forces are not damaged or defeated.
>>2623807>None of it is tested in combatSo far the US didn't engage in any conventional warfare in decades besides your Iraq. Newest equipment throughout the nations can mostly be tested in military exercises.
Though I find it funny how inefficient was the Russian Army during special military operation. Which was supposed to be a big force.
>>2623815>>2623815judge holden looking freaj
We live in a new era. National pride of the 20th century is dead, everyone wants to be America. We are entering a new American golden age after the last 30 years of humiliation. Venezuelan militias will not resist, they will quickly make deals with the US to establish order and stability, especially the cartels will become the de facto government until they can have the opposition "get elected". Iran is the next regime to fall and the people will also be happy to be taken over by us. Iran is not Afghanistan, they will know to keep their heads down and mouths shut when we take over their nation. Russia is next, when we change the regime in Iran, Russia will be the next place to easily fall.
>>2623786
ofc they didnt you fucking idiot
>>2623813
>yeah bro, thee only people that would fight against a comprador bourgeois regime such a the Bolivarian one are comprador bourgeoise
They are the main force. And are active cheerleaders of the United states to overthrow their own country's government, so that they can do the US bidding of selling out the country's resources to them.
>>2623824>National pride of the 20th century is dead, everyone wants to be America. Dont know uf youtr shitposting but this is the disease of our era. seeing many latin americans support this is blacknpilling
>>2623813
>implying the bolivarian movement is comprador
HOW FUCKING GLOWING CAN YOU GET
complete denial of reality in order to push a completely glowed left attack on any enemy of the empire
>>2623786
read again, retard
>>2623842
a porkie with links to the government and got rich thanks to them? a guy is not a class
>>2623846
>so real opposition should be crushed
what "real opposition"?
>read more you fucking retard
im pretty sure I've read a lot more than you you glowie fuck
>real life isn't Star Wars
its funny, because star wars empire was explicitly a metaphor of the US empire in the vietnam war
now, are you denying the US is an empire, or that venezuela was their enemy? I dont know where you got your glowies lessons, but denying reality isnt that effective
now fucking blow your brains out glowie fucker
>>2623834The Vietnamese and Afghan lost way more people than the agressor. The main reason forced NATO forces to leave is mostly logistical attrition and difficulty to further commence. ( Also the Vietnamese was supplied by the USSR & PRC and funnily Afghan rebels were equipt with US arms. )
Guerilla warfare works if you have a decent terrain ( to hide ), supplies and somehow manage to constantly disturb enemy lines. But the thing is, now conventional armies can easyly spot guerilla groups via Aerial vehicles, Satellites , Unmanned vehicles and various stuff.
See how Hamas couldn't accomplish anything against the Israeli…
I think guerilla warfare is not that effective anymore, only in places like Afghanistan where it is very hard to establish supply lines it would work well.
>>2623838The fact that you idiots aren't black pilled proves to me that you're all deluded in this website. There is no multipolar world. There is only the inevitable, the US imperialism.
>>2623838Chilean here; latam is possibly the most reactionary zone in the entire world up there with the U.S and Israel. In fact, I've seen Israelis and Americans that are to the left of the average Argentinian.
>>2623803You can't win a war with supersonic jets and strategic bombers alone.
>>2623878
>Are youu denying Venezuela is juust a smaller empire
When words like imperialism loses all meaning
So did they get Maduro or no?
>>2624193we all know imperialism is when the government does stuff
>>2625438The only silver lining will be watching the tragicomedy show that is EU mental gymnastics. It's already bad enough today.
Maybe FIDE (chess) might actually ban the Amercian flag like it did the Russia/Belarus flags for literally no reason.
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