first for madure faking this coup
https://www.answercoalition.org/venezuelaList of ongoing and organizing protests in America, if you wanna do something
>>2624958Brezhnev wouldn't have allowed America 2 do something like this.
IS TRUMP STILL AMASSING TROOPS AT THE MEXICAN BORDER?
a side effect of this I haven't seen discussed is now america has an excuse to deport the 700,000 venezuelan refugees, no doubt Stephen Miller had a hand in the decision
Isn't this like a good development? The chavista movement has potential. And Maduro was a dumb dumb. Is this an opportunity for a more competent socialist movement to rise there?
>>2624978highest in the room but all we consume is copium type post
>>2624978if you consider being in the control of a senile pedophile and his buddies a good thing then sure
>>2624978you do realize the US is invading and killing people and stealing oil right? not just kidnapping one guy and leaving, right?
>>2624985trump isnt in control of venezuela rn
>>2624978Honestly if Trump takes Maduro as a trophy and declares victory without a full invasion and occupation, leaving PSUV still in charge, things might not be so bad. He said they're gonna "run" Venezuela but didn't elaborate on how, and said that a second wave is possible (or something like that) without committing fully. He also said it's not gonna be Machado (lol). Don't get your hopes up though.
>>2624987US doesn't have de facto control of Venezuela yet. Trump's words are just propaganda for now.
>>2624973I wonder if he impotently raised his fist to signal his solidarity, in the classic manner.
>>2624987>muh usaNo, it is capital. State is not a historic subject or force or whatever
>>2624993the PSUV is still rotten anything short of the communist party taking over won't lead to good outcomes
>>2624987>not just kidnapping one guy and leavingSo far that's pretty much what they've done (plus bombing some shit). Yeah it's unlikely this is the end of it, but so far PSUV is still in control. Trump also said that the vice president is "willing to work with them".
>>2624996The State does things, what the fuck are you talking about? Capital and the State have their own pseudo-seperate teleologies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuperorganismThe super-organism theory of state was a central concept applied in one of my professor's dissertations
>>2624978perhaps if the new venezuelan right wing government was completely incompetent but chances are whatever leftist resistance forms will be even more incompetent and do stuff like organize on discord or tiktok
>>2624987lol they absolutely gave up maduro willingly
>>2625000isn't the defense minister in defacto power now or at least hes giving speeches on Telesur
>>2625001the CPC is so fucking big that they've got socdems, neolibs, maoists and everything in between
>>2624993>He also said it's not gonna be MachadoI wonder if she ever was considered really an option to rule or if she was pure spectacle the entire time.
>>2625012>the CPC is so fucking big that they've got socdems, neolibs, maoists and everything in betweenthis is what trve democracy looks like
>>2625008He was a fully admitted czech communist teaching community college students (incredibly based) and this conceptualization of the state is actually a major reason why state capture by the proletariat is a marxian prescription of praxis
>>2625012>the CPC is so fucking big that they've got socdems, neolibs, maoists and everything in betweenvery communist
Will there be any concrete actions taken by the -ACKsis of resistance against the US? Other than strong condemnation posts on Xitter that is…
>>2625020They're more communist that anything else we have other than vietnam. China isn't perfect but they're 100%
better >>2625022venezuela wasnt even part of the axis of cope though
>>2625022God will destroy the entire world and create a new Heaven and new Earth on which there will be no sea and no America ever again.
canadian news is freaking out about american imperialism lole
>>2625022I guarantee you the left in Latam (actually existing and officially in charge of state organisms) are talking right now about what to do. This is somewhat delicate especially considering they don't have nukes
>>2625016You will, as all of us, will get conscripted and die in a war.
>>2625029
chagos you're retarded and all you do is derail with simplistic lazy angry talking points. If I were a jannie I'd ban everyone who even sounded like you
Encouraging anons to filter
>>2625001there are elections in colombia this year
>>2625030there are no leftist governments in latin america besides cuba
The success of this operation will determine how emboldened the US will be for future militarism.
>>2625034Who is complaining? You? I am talking with you only you schizo.
>>2625041there are leftist
agents at the very minimum present in every state controlling various organs, even if you refuse to call the entire government "leftist". They're often no leninist single party communist states obviously, but to say that no leftwing actions take place in Latam is fucking completely ignorant. I have personally talked to a latam communist IN PERSON who partook in many of these state sanctioned actions himself. It's a mixed bag but they do much more than most other continents
>>2625017>this is what trve democracy looks likeI always found it funny that a one party state has more ideological diversity in said one party than most oligarchical neolib multiparty republics.
>>2625020>very communistI mean iirc Mao literally said they had finished up the bourgeois national revolution and established new democracy with a popular front but had literally just started proletarian part of the revolution. Now I'm not saying bro was right and two stage theory is true in all circumstances but they are pretty up front about the situation.
>>2625035>>2625040PMSD voters really derailing the thread smh
The earth is the dominion of the devil, all matter in the universe obeys the antichrist, there is absolutely nothing in existence which does not follow the will of evil totally and completely.
Per-ma-ban cha-gos
>>2625054
you're still a faggot and you've ruined your reputation with your constant bad faith shit flinging. You fucking suck and I refuse to give you any quarter. Please log off, become anon, or find somewhere else to post because you shit everything up every single time,.
There's a reason the mods want you gone.
>>2625043nicaragua is neolib actually
>>2625045actual mentally retarded poster…very impressive leftypol you never fail to amaze me
>>2624978no. people overemphasize maduro. he was just the guy in line after chavez. and he was basically like chavez but with less charisma and political skill. he also faced much more difficult economic warfare. i doubt anyone else would have fared much better. and the empire will not just give up on the pressure now.
it's all bad news i'm afraid.
>>2625030Sheinbaum and Lula ain't gonna do shit. Petro is based but I doubt he alone can do much to help at all.
Ecuador, Chile and Argentina will all happily participate with the US in the rape and pillage of Venezuela.
>>2624937What is this mickey mouse regime change? im so confused.
The PSUV is still fully intact and in control of state organs. Machado has been thrown to the curb.
What's the plan? Continued PSUV rule but with concessions to international capital? They could have cut this deal(by force) at any point in the last 20 years rather than back the liberal opposition.
If thats it then the US policy objectives have retreated from total capital access to the Venezuelan market under a liberal government to instead, a negotiated soc-dem client who gets a cut of surplus.
A success of burger foreign policy but these aren't the end of history imperialist GOATS i remember throwing entire countries against the wall just to discipline extraction.
Don’t even have it in me to get angry at this, just cripplingly depressed. This was the last straw for me, I think. There’s no justice in this world and there never will be.
Biggah capital eats smollah capital. Its a capital eat capital world out there…
>>2625066
It's about being a normal person, reading the room, and not ruining it for everyone else. You're a fucking loser and if we took a vote somehow, we'd want you gone.
You call yourself a communist/socialist yet you have no fucking social awareness nor deference to the vibe. You act like you're special.
Please become normal and engage within reasonable ranges of etiquette and vibes or shut the fuck up. There's nothing we can really do without the mods, but what I personally can do is constantly shout you down because you are a fucking faggot
Reported all of chagos' posts like a true proletarian
>>2625068PSUV is already negotiating relinquishing control. They're spooked by further military action and the fact that Venezuelan military is filled with traitors (which is how Maduro got kidnapped in the first place).
>>2625073Mods, ban him for homophobia
>>2625062chagos is right btw
mods send chagosposter to the coal mines for reeducation
>>2625071yeah they could start by winning one(1) battle against al qaeda
>>2625060
why do love America,France and the UK so much ?
>>2625031no, not me. i shoot my officer and then kill myself! hope that helps
>>2624978The US and the Right Wing Venezuelan factions aren't going to stop at just Maduro. Further action is coming and it's unclear if the Bolivarian side will be able to survive at all at this point.
>>2625067Buddy, "not going to do shit" refuses to acknowledge all the shit they've already done. It's incredibly complicated, and I imagine that your bar for "doing things" is a child's conception of war and conflict. You're posting on an image board and living a relatively normal life because
you materially can't do anything else. There are limits on what is possible and reasonable, and adventuristic head in the clouds, projected maladaptive daydreaming about what
you would do in their position is childish.
You imagine what you would do differently, but you have no clue what they actually know, and how high the stakes actually are. If you were in their position, you'd shit your pants and pussy out, achieving
actually nothing, instead of the definition of nothing you're using to seem more based than you actually are
>>2625090
ur literally a PSMD voter who loves the United States lmao
>>2625068whole thing was just an op to steer away attention from the epstein files, theres no long term strategy behind it
>>2625068it honestly feels like amateur hour at the white house, what could possibly be step 2
>>2625091>refuses to acknowledge all the shit they've already donetrve they will most likely cuck out even more continuing their previous cuck efforts
>>2625087he secretly wishes he was french
>>2625090
You're here because you're a self centered prick know-it-all faggot. You're an injured narcissist you thinks you have all the answers but you're actually a fucking midwit with no juice. Why else do you post here? At least I admit I'm doing less than other people in actual positions putting their money where their mouth is. You're a fucking loser.
>>2625054
>China will not risk ww3 with America over anything.
But Mao said all reactionaries are paper tigers.
>>2625090
Anti imperialism is a sham and a humbug. Lenin said so
>>2625099I want you to actually give a positivist prescriptivist take. Go ahead. I want you to really think about what they should do.
>>2625095This is stupid. They've been terrorizing Venezuela for multiple administrations, building up their forces for months in advance. It's Marco's lifelong dream alongside destroying Cuba. It's not a distraction it is a goal of it's own they've been trying to accomplish for decades and further military action is coming to ensure it happens. Not everything is a distraction, why would they even need to distract from Epstein at this point? It's clear there are no consequences coming from that.
>>2625085They have. It's not my fault you exclusively consume Westoid media that only reports on failures.
>>2625098Assad and some his loyalists said the same thing. Assad was at least smart enough to flee to Russia because he was shielded by Wagner/Russian forces.
>>2625104
You're a fucking loser faggot piece of shit. Kill yourself. You're permabanned for a reason. Fuck off you fucking shitstain
>>2625078>PSUV is already negotiating relinquishing control. They're spooked by further military action and the fact that Venezuelan military is filled with traitors (which is how Maduro got kidnapped in the first place).Is this another 'source? the americans told me.' like when Maduro allegedly offered up everything the americans wanted and they said no.
Maduro's kidnapping is actual racism
This never happen against an european head of state and it's not because of feasibility, there is nothing impressive about that operation, it was just double standards
>>2625103Modern China is a reactionary country itself
>>2625112
Oh so you're just an anti-social retard piece of shit? So none of your opinions actually matter? Fucking kill yourself you fucking faggot
>>2625117danm, pick a cup of water boi, he maybe right but dont let chagosposter over your head
>>2625073thats hardly a Chagos unique problem anon. the leninhat-felix style of posting where you turn every thread into a attention seeking temper tantrum about how your a better person than le normies for being an anti-social misanthrope with no friends is quite a common problem in board culture in general. They have the mindset and interpersonal style of r9k posters and just obfuscate that with marxist jargon they don't understand. Its not the lack of social awareness as much as it is an old lolbert brainworm that if everyones mad at you than your somesort of unique redpilled main character breaking from the matrix. For all the complaining about americans they still have a terminal case of burgerbrain.
>>2625106>should wouldHoly voluntarism..
>>2625120>This never happen against an european head of state and it's not because of feasibility, there is nothing impressive about that operation, it was just double standards100%. There has always been this 'gentlemen's agreement', as they would call it, that you do not target heads of state within the western powers, this does not apply to others though, most recently i can think of is Gaddafi by Obama.
>>2625106>>2625106 >I want you to actually give a positivist prescriptivist take.no because I'm a marxist and as such I realize liberal bourgeois politicians working withing an imperialist system can do nothing outside of working for their imperial overlords
>>2625124I wholely agree of course. I'm just upset at the moment because of well…
gestures vaguely tbh, i am genuinely blackpilled at americans and the west, after the last years, especifically with online reactions, i lost any hope on any revolutionary consolidation in the US, and i think venezuela will be a nothing burger. BE and other 3worldists just accelerated my blackpill process
>>2625041youre the only real leftist. all these dumb socialists in latin america dont know what theyre doing, if only a smart leftypoler was in charge, im sure US hegemony would fall in a week
>>2625128>marx believed nothing was possible within liberal systemYou have to be fucking kidding me
>>2625111>further military action is coming to ensure it happensmaybe but maybe not and it might not be following a concrete plan, sure general opposition and attempts at desestabilizing the venzuelan gvt have been ongoing for a long time but that doesn't mean this thing was part of one single comprehensive and well thought out plan
Permaban chagos he will keep coming back
>>2625130
you literally a PMSD voter weird ass francophile
>>2625134I already explained what is possible within the liberal imperialist system, learn to read
I have contact with someone from the foreign relations committee of the PCV (Communist Party of Venezuela), Carolus Wimmer, through my party.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolus_WimmerI don't speak Spanish but the guy speaks perfect German. Should submit a question to him?
>>2625137I mean at this point we'd have to assume the worst and plan accordingly. Of course we're just normie proles with no power or juice so all we can do is protest or organize strikes etc. But anyways…
I was optimistic for a time assuming america would fumble this, but it turns out they were able to keep things a secret and do some wild precision shit overnight. I underestimated the US MIC apparatus and I don't want to do that again lol
>>2625144yes please that would be dope
>>2625141
this is fair. I'll try that more often. I'm just too lazy to try and become a jannie myself
The bombings on Venezuelan territory and the capture of its president cross an unacceptable line. These acts represent a most serious affront to Venezuela's sovereignty and yet another extremely dangerous precedent for the entire international community.
Attacking countries, in flagrant violation of international law, is the first step toward a world of violence, chaos, and instability, where the law of the strongest prevails over multilateralism.
The condemnation of the use of force is consistent with the position that Brazil has always adopted in recent situations in other countries and regions.
The action recalls the worst moments of interference in the politics of Latin America and the Caribbean and threatens the preservation of the region as a zone of peace.
The international community, through the United Nations, needs to respond vigorously to this episode. Brazil condemns these actions and remains available to promote the path of dialogue and cooperation.
>t. lula
>>2625124> the leninhat-felix style of posting where you turn every thread into a attention seeking temper tantrum about how your a better person than le normies for being an anti-social misanthrope with no friends is quite a common problem in board culture in generalEh the bigger problem is the users that decide to engage in it for a little serotonin hit, spending dozens and dozens of posts in a session bickering back and forth, more often than not across multiple threads.
If everyone were to minimise and report, and if the jannies would act on the report list in a more timely manner, taking some initiative, then it would not be so much of an issue at all.
As an example, i have Chagos minimised, i have reported him, yet i still have to see anons such as
>>2625139 >>2625138 >>2625135 who obsessively follow around the resident retards to get their digs in.
Those who play in the filth with lolcows are not different than lolcows themselves ultimately, they are if not just then more-so disruptive than the average naraccaist lolcow who turns up for a few months at a time.
>>2625159Wtf, based libertarian?
>>2625159they only care that its unconstitutional lmfao. cucked country
Ban chagos
>>2625054
>China will not risk ww3 with America over anything.
this is just appeasement rhetoric at this point. also giga-revisionists of the 60s and 70s were throwing guns by the boatload to any little group that would ask and no world war 3 started :^)
>>2625163Wtf france and russia? No more brother wars.
>>2625114>le moving goal post meymeyAssad was forced to leave because Russia feared to see Assad receiving the Gadhafi anal sodomization treatment. he didn't leave under negotiation. he was under a precarious situation, and quick decisions were made to preserve him, when he got surrounded near the front. only some few military dishonest people sold the allegiance. if it were for Assad, he would have stayed there and fight to death.
>>2625163so it's okay now to just kill zelensky?
>>2625054
>Orion knows very well that the Axis of Resistance will do nothing and they cannot
They should support another US invasion, Iraq and Afghanistan weren't enough.
>>2625137Just feels like cope, I saw plenty of people saying for months the US wouldn't do shit about Venezuela and Maduro and here we are. You gotta face up to the horrors of reality.
>>2625199isnt this just the brown rightist and the aryan leftist trope
>>2625159>The Trump regime is violating Maduros second amendment rights>>2625163Trumps has talked about invading Canada they better shape up.
>>2625194What is the plan then?
I've been saying here for months the US regime is stupid enough to think they can send in a Tom Clancley team of navy walruses to kill/kidnap maduro and bing-bang-bosh problem solved, as if the world works that way.
Now i've seen this played out, what is supposed to give me the confidence that actually there is a comprehensive plan here? I struggle to even believe the US regime has made serious deals with the government in Venezuela due to the fact the white-house froze out the diplomatic core from this regime change operation from pretty early on
probably actually smart from their retardo-perspective as it'll be riddled with Cuban agents, i'm sure.
>>2625211She makes Donald look like a stable genius.
>>2625211I love her so much lmao. The schizo we deserve
>>2625211>Oh, All 'dozens' of them.was a good par though, to be honest on that one.
>>2625216Buttplug has spoken. Democrats are in control.
machado more like muCHUDo
>>2625212The plan is for whichever group of individuals is actually orchestrating this stupidity… the plan is for
them to make their money as self-elected mercenaries to pirate and plunder as much as they can for self-enrichment, regardless of the geo-political long or even medium term consequences.
>>2625222my guy flexing his reward points cards.
Spiritually British. It's all about them discounts.
Where is sabocat anon
>>2625223it pisses me off so much that his messaging here is better than bernie's (where bernie makes sure to qualify maduro as a dictator)
>>2625235Busy in Ukie general, probably.
>>2625143maduro and russia/china aint helping, but i can never trust also the western left because all of them are blitzing on tankies.
the bar was so low that maduro allowed himself to be kidnapped in some trump PR move
>>2625232this should be a wake up call to multipolarists and youtubers
>>2625235it's post holidays so he may be traveling back home. He might be posting less after this too, because he only came back during the holidays at least from what I saw
>>2625241can't wait for american troops to start coming home in bodybags, the uproar will be delicious
>>2625231execute all opposition prisioners
NOW >>2625243You really think he let himself be Kidnapped? Why? Are you retarded?
>>2625214Everything Candace said is true there
>>2625232China has no allies.
>>2625252maybe he got tired of selling his country to the west and wanted to have a trip to the us with donny j
>>2625212Personally I believe the plan is to plunge the country into civil war like a Syria and support any right wing faction that emerges and is willing to collaborate. Not a good plan but I do expect further military action, lots more bombing for sure. Much more death and chaos on the way, as is the style of the US
>>2625253isis lost thougbeit
>>2625256Yes but shes still the most low I Q schizo out there.
>>2625266>isis lost thougbeitThe greatest loss for multipolarity… perhaps ever
>>2625268critical support lol
>>2625245>trump and Rubio says she'll play ball >vp comes out and tells the us to fuck off this ought to be good
>>2625252the operation was SUSPICIOUS and i still can doubt because it was done at midnight so the anti air systems were turned off, but to maduro not take any defensive situations considering THE AMERICANS put a 50 million bounty on him is far a clue he surrendered to americans.
The closest thing can be haiti 2004 which the US "evacuated aristides"
>>2625252>Why?To avoid invasion and further scalation by the US?
>>2625274I mean he did let himself be captured as part of some negotiation, that is very obvious.
But fuck you for posting a BE screenshot to explain that lmao. Hate that faggot
>>2625274So PSUV gets to stay as long as they let US molest the oil?
>>2625285
there's a telegram channel just for nick? I fucking hate this world
great the BE and nick posters have arrived, mods you know what to do
>>2625288BE is right, nick… not so
>>2625285
no retarded idiot he's arguing for american imperialism, you fucking disabled ape
>>2625274>Appease trumpThat won't happen, so in the end Maduro is just a retard.
>>2625287Yeah he post stuff on there that he is not sure will cook on twitter with since it's a safe space with his fans. Then he post more basic stuff on xitter
https://apnews.com/live/trump-us-venezuela-updates-01-03-2026#0000019b-8551-deb2-a9bf-f75dd1e10000JUST IN: Venezuela’s vice president demands US free Maduro and calls him the country’s rightful leader during speech
>>2625292since when have western liberal sexpat tourists been right about anything ever
>>2625288>>2625292BE's observations are valid but god only fuckin knows what his conclusions will be
>>2625274there was return fire, damage to aircraft and injuries among the invaders besides deads among the venezuelan army it was 100% an inside job but that doesnt mean everyone was in on it
so no proof of life of maduro?
>>2625304>invading venezuela to sell oil to chinabrilliant move donald
>>2625071They could be communists
>>2625307It is capital, duh. Le profit motive, duh
>>2625071Spiritual support and the power of (bourgeois) friendship will destroy amerikka due in two days
>>2625317It helps interrogations + she could have been a successor.
USA is a mercenary state lobbied by international capital.
>>2625274Absolute schizo rambling, he let himself get kidnapped and his country bombed as part of his plan! When they execute him and then continue invading and bombing Venezuela and kill Rodriquez I wonder if people will be still saying this is part of plan.
>>2625285
nick says
>The idea of directly running Venezuela sounds really terrible
This makes me think… what if this is another negotiated Iran Style kayfabe? There is a non-zero chance that trump admin ran the numbers and realized they couldn't win this whatsoever, so they negotiated some spectacle of capture in order to actually keep the status quo.
But then again Iran is having """""protests""""" right now after the whole kayfabe mid 2025, so maybe this is some weird neo-cybernetic intricate propaganda warfare to destabilize the venezuelan mute-compulsion that holds them together.
>>2625317They don't want another Erika Kirk
>>2625324>nick saysStopped reading right here.
>>2625317Same reason you end the romanovs
>>2625227>>2625265Oh yea, i believe either could play out.
Think that those looking for an easy profit may be disappointed though, depending on how this shapes out re insurgency.
>>2625329you don't want to know what the enemy is thinking? Excellent midwit tendencies you're displaying there
>>2625245lol she really said the kidnapping had a "zionist tinge"
>>2625274yeah that makes sense
>>2625317America kidnapped maduro and his family just to rob them.
maduro mogs trump
>>2625333>muh ideas rule the worldHoly SHIT!
>>2625342god you are fucking retarded
>>2625274This is literally the opposite of "letting himself be kidnapped", that's him being a lamb sent to the slaughter
Does it feel weird knowing that there really is only one actual military in the world, and everyone else is pretending?
>>2625274So why is the cabinet on TV denouncing this and reaffirming Maduro is their president?
Is this man actually retarded? I had some respect for him before, alone from his video essays, has he actually lost his mind?
>>2625285
Better idea than what ever donnyes thinking. If nick ever gets to be encharge of the US he will make for a decent imperialist.
>>2625350That's what Trump literally said on his presser lmfao
>>2625354You fool. Dore will rise again like a pheonix from the ashes. Trust the plan
what do you think she'd say if Biden had done it? stop falling for partisan politics
>>2625350Yeah and Trump is talking like the oil is theirs. Maybe Delcy did some 5d chess striking a deal, having the US rid her of her boss and giving her a promotion only to double down against them.
it's incredibly black pilling but we gotta face the truth. there will be no protracted guerilla resistance. this is not the 70s anymore. trump will be able to sell this as a success to his base of retarded pedophile worshiping base
>>2625354they were some podcasters in that circle trying to angle for jobs in the trump admin which is why they kept promoting the line that trupm despite all his faults genuinely wants peace and is being bamboozled by his advisors.
>>2625358She would've said that they're working tirelessly for a peaceful solution to venezuela
>>2625335>lol she really said the kidnapping had a "zionist tinge"Gave me a lmao too. Legend. Glad they have a strong woman in charge.
>>2625285
Kys
>>2625374Secretly he is scared that he will fall further into obscurity and be forgotten just like /ukr/
it's incredible how many retarded burgers gernuinely believe all drugs come from venezuela
>>2625374He's a retarded fucking dog and le putler should put him to rest already
>>2625354Tulsi psyopped some folks
>>2625384But do they actually believe it or will they just entertain it as part of the maga ideology/psychosis?
>>2625375>Maduro needs to pull a Dimitrov and defend himself against the fascist courtsHe will try to, they will use every mechanism to stop that happening. Maybe we'll get written transcripts, as best case scenario.
just disband congress and the senate at this point. they're just social clubs for geriatrics where they play at politics at this point.
>>2625391he's not smart nor charismatic enough to pull it off
So everyone who called Putin a cuck received total vindication today, huh…
>>2625402
Click the little yellow triangle next to the name and you don't even have to see it.
https://nitter.poast.org/elonmuskhttps://nitter.poast.org/elonmusk/status/2007510784939860203#mlook what this retard is posting, herr musk can't wait until bolivia is next so he can get his lithium.
they just hit TREN DE ARAGUA in their headquarters in SINALOA, VENEZUELA as they were trying to traffic FEMMETANYL into ALABAMA
any strong words from xi yet? with his people in venezuela there's no way he didn't know about this ahead of time
>>2625418>next weekfuck the USA
>>2625076https://nitter.poast.org/declassifiedUK/status/2007498391912419384#mUK military personnel were reported in November to be on board the US carrier strike group that has attacked Venezuela and kidnapped its president.
>>2625419He don't give a fuck man
>>2625425It's actually a rather strong statement for their usual standards, i like it
>>2625425the chinese knew. they were complicit
>The closest comparison for the Venezuela operation isn't Iraq but Panama. In both cases, the invasion was portrayed as a police action to capture a head of state to stand trial in the US for drug trafficking. Operation Just Cause, unlike Operation Iraqi Freedom, is seen in US defense circles as a success, a quick operation that did not result in a prolonged occupation or bloody insurgency. It also succeeded in installing Guillermo Endara - the opposition leader who won the annulled 1989 elections - as president, and dismantling the Panama Defense Forces entirely.
<There are reasons why this comparison doesn't work, however. Unlike Venezuela, Panama already had a major US military presence as the then-headquarters of Southcom, with over 10,000 troops already on Panamanian soil before the invasion, who could guarantee a transition of government and US-friendly administration after. It's also much smaller and was exclusively under the thumb of the US from its founding. Venezuela is much larger, has oil, and closer relations with other foreign powers, notably China. Its military is democratically unaccountable, has vast powers beyond national defense, and is rich from oil rents and criminal activities. It's hard to see how Venezuela transitions to a democratic, opposition-run government without either the FANB's buy-in, or dismantling. And it's hard to see how those things are secured by a smash-and-grab operation that appears to already be over.
>>2625452it will have exactly as much effect as vooting
Guys is there are protests happening? we need to open cytube tbh if that happens
>>2625452How exactly was this more effective at anything than voting is?
>>2625452I really enjoyed this jpeg anon
>>2625455>How exactly was this more effective at anything than voting is?even being dead is more effective than voting for the democratic party
>>2625436https://nitter.poast.org/declassifiedUK/status/2007482308920782897#mThe Foreign Office is refusing to disclose which non-governmental organisations it has quietly funded in Venezuela since 2023.
>>2625354Notice that Ben Norton who spoke Spanish and lived in the region never went down that direction.
>>2625457the sad reality of this situation is that there will be no protracted guerilla resistance in venezuela. the USA operation was a resounding success. they struck with precision and removed the head of state. informational globalization has made it so there are no strong nationalistic anti colonial movements like the cuban resistance or the viet cong in the world anymore
>>2625467 (me)
so my point is that trump won't send burger's sons to war either
>>2625387>putler should put him to rest alreadyBut he can't, there's only one country capable of going literally anywhere on earth, grabbing the leader of the country, and leaving. They could have done this shit to Xi if they wanted.
>>2625467>Muh guerillasFuck guerillas yo
>>2625430Jesus how fucking pathetic
>>2625425It’s Schumer tier
>>2625469That poster said to kill the guy, not grab him. The only reason the Kremlin retard doesn't do this is that he's afraid of destroying economic opportunities with his American partners. His priorities are on full display in the person of Kirill Dmitriev.
>>2625324>mute compulsionyour entire post is pseud bullshit but this is a particularly bizarre misuse of a term lol
>>2625425WHEN I SAY CHINA YOU SAY CUCKED
CHINA
>>2625460there is a funnier one with a zohran beanie instead but I forgot to save it
>>2625481doesnt change much for them thats why they dont care
TLDR this bros is maduro captured or is trump bullshitting?
>>2625467Step 1 kidnap Maduro
step 2 ???????
Step 3 the sad reality of this situation is that there will be no protracted guerilla resistance in venezuela. the USA operation was a resounding success. they struck with precision and removed the head of state. informational globalization has made it so there are no strong nationalistic anti colonial movements like the cuban resistance or the viet cong in the world anymore
okay.
>>2625471>>2625485yeah sitting on your ass at your computer is totally going to change the world anon
>>2625482
>waaaaaaaaaaaahh
>>2625489
Remember to use the report function, anons.
Anarchism
>>2625482
then just kill yourself anon if feel that way
>>2625492>>2625491>>2625501Stop replying to every baiting retard that comes in here to take a shit.
>>2625500that stream never works for half the site
>>2625505Why? What happens?
>>2625506>muh -ismlearn to actually reply and develop arguments like a normal person
>>2625489
Trvke!!!
>Is it a misfortune that the wonderful California was wrested from the lazy Mexicans, who did not know what to do with it?… All impotent nations must, in the final analysis, be grateful to those who, obeying historical necessities, attach them to a great empire, thus allowing them participation in a historical development which would otherwise be unknown to them. It is self-evident that such a result could not be obtained without crushing some sweet little flowers. Without violence, nothing can be accomplished in history…
Marx
>…we have been spectators of the conquest of Mexico and have rejoiced in it. It is progress that a country which, up till now, was concerned exclusively with itself, torn asunder by eternal civil wars and alien to any form of development…should have been propelled, through violence, to historical development. It is in the interest of its own development that it shall, in the future, be placed under the tutelage of the United States. It is in the interest of the whole of America that the United States, thanks to the conquest of California, should achieve mastery over the Pacific Ocean.
Engels
>>2625513
no unipolar hegemony? welcome to the multipolar world buddy
the prc shoulda taken taiwan while the usa was concentrating it's fleet and airforce around venezuela. they will never get another chance
>>2625496What did you think he was going to say? That what US is doing is highly illeagal and that France demands immediate release of Maduro and stop to all military operations in Venezuela? Doesn't EU and France still recognize Guaido as the legitimate president of Venezuela?
>>2625093I am so tired of Wojak and it's 10,000 mutations, when will it finally die?
>>2625513
Getting all emotional wont help anyone and especially not yourself. The world and Venezuela can survive without Maduro.
>>2625522JUST SAW FUCKING MADURO FLY OVER THE BORDER
>>2625523The US invested lije 1/10 of it's force on Venezuela
>>2625524No, we are not. Marxism doesn't hold history back, the USSR and China helped and are helping with the exhaustion of capital
>>2625093when chavez put Venezuelan oil in the hands of the government, leftoids cheered.
but when trump puts Venezuelan oil in the hands of the government, they riot?
if it makes u guys feel better venezuelans are called venecos which is basically like gusanos and do the same thing except across the entire continent where they vote in right wingers. basically everyone flaming them now
>>2625520This is incorrect. The US is finally beginning to cement it's global hegemony and it will soon control the western hemisphere. Next they will control Iran when they bomb them directly and capture Iran's leader.
>>2625523China wants Taiwan integrated into the PRC, I don't think it really wants to launch a big invasion that leads to a bunch of people getting killed. The people in Taiwan would go from being indifferent to mainlanders to outright hating them, like Ukraine and Russia.
>>2625533the end of the rules-based international order benefits the third world more than it does the first. trvst the plvn
>>2625533>estimated time to restock missile interceptors spent over the summer = three years<global hegemonl m a o
>>2625523This, of China were to take Taiwan through an invasion, the US would be forced to accept a WW3 scenario, ruining their ability to contain China. If China were to take Taiwan the US would back off, they would of course mobilize but they wouldn't dare fight directly.
No fucking resistance, same story as Syria, CIA blackmailed or paid off some corrupt generals who sold their country out for condos.
>>2625539How do other states compare when it comes to numbers, production rates, and quality of missile interceptors?
>>2625539How long does it take for any Latam nation to do the same?
>>2625537you joke but this is unironically the case. all the smug third world left liberals are panicking right now. The gears of history are moving again. obviously lots og blood are going to be spilled. but that was always the case
>>2625496>The venezuelan people got rid of MaduroNo the US got rid of Maduro, what's Macron talking about?
>>2625545Latam is not a pole. The reality of multipolarity is america can exercise impunity within in sphere of influence down south. Maybe in the future brazil build a sphere of influence if it builds nukes
>>2625550>Maybe in the future brazil build a sphere of influence if it builds nukesWon't happen.
>>2625547the same was pretty much the case with saddam. power vacuums still cause disaster most of the time. just wait and see
>>2625533>The US is finally beginning to cement it's global hegemony and it will soon control the western hemisphere. Lmao retreating back to americas isnt exactly a win.
>>2625528a wild maduro just flew over my house
never paid attention to South American politics can i get a QRD on Maduro
>>2625555
>personally i'm doing fine
You dont seem that stable. Sleep on it and youll feel better in the morning.
>>2625539They just need a few toys to give the Ukraine volksturm so they can stop the Russian war machine dead in its tracks and litteraly ten bombs to topple Venezuela
Where are we investing boys
>>2625575it is right to hate USAnians
>>2625561
Trump lost.
What is the American justification for not killing yourself immediately, or at least committing to a life of total destitution?
>formerly operated by international oil companies ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, Chevron.[27][28]
Buy Buy Buy
>>2625510>america is shooting itself in the foot by setting this precedent of not recognizing sovereignty in other leaders. zelensky is widely seen as illegitimateNot really. America knows that Russia won't do shit to Zelensky.
>>2625596Lol, this is exactly what i don't get.
>>2625601What's he on about? The idea is it gets shipped off to Amerikkka to get produced.
>>2625596no, he did not. fucking trump has multiple times he didn't.
how much of a retard are you to spin that Maduro cucked or they didn't want to fight when the clown in chief is out in the open.
what are you going to spin next? that it was for democracy and to stop corruption?
holly fuck.
>>2625603americas refineries aren't built to refine the heavy sour oil venezuela has
I think trump is just doing this as a sad attempt at deverting attention away from the files and domestic shit. Netanyahu did the same thing when he striked iran and was losing support.
>>2625612no. that was unpopular for Americans. fuck, the moron lost Miami to democrats. he's doing it because he wants the oil, he had the gusanos in Miami running their country and had a personal beef with Maduro resisting his the first term when he said during his 2016 that in one month he could resolve 'the problem in Venezuela'.
>>2625612The Epstein files are out in the open man, there's no consequences, he doesn't need to hide shit anymore, he has an army of online pederasts like Nick Fuentes already downplaying it and maybe even furthering the pederast agenda
>>2625613This is going to be added to the tally btw, like "we prevented a civil war in Venezuela by deposing the hated dictator Maduro"
The servants of the antichrist always invert the teachings of Jesus, so they profess that war is peace, wealth is virtue etc.
>>2625606>fucking trump has multiple times he didn't.ah yes the always truthful donald j. trump
rename it the axis of compliance and cooperation
>>2625620Republicans are more hawkish on latin america and Iran while Democrats are more hawkish on Russia. There's a pretty good chance this wouldn't have happened under KKKamala (just some other horrible thing). I don't get why we need to pretend the two imperialist parties are literally identical in their priorities. What do you get out of that?
>>2625629At this point I think Trump is actually serious about Greenland and it's not simply a distraction. They will find an excuse, probably manufacture something about a drug ring.
>>2625627Both parties serve the oil and military contractor corpos who are the ones actually setting the agenda on foreign policy.
>>2625314This is great because it makes netenyahoo look even.more like a smiley freak.
>>2625629>Europe freaking out and turning on the USJDPON Don
JDPON Don
>>2625612>I think trump is just doing this as a sad attempt at deverting attention away from the files and domestic shit. You're a retard this has been going on since his first term.
I had spectacle addled epstein-tards. it's very tiresome. Not everything revolves around your current hyper-obsession.
>>2625651oh for some reason I thought texas oil was light/sweet
PSUV still in power? lol leftcoms lost
>>2625548He's a broken hack, absolutely even worse then hollande
>>2625655it is. But that's not what those refineries are built for. The US had refineries built for Venezuelan oil before the Bolivarian revolution.
>>2625653It's both.
Trump is doing things he (and Hegseth/Rubio/etc) has wanted to do for a while, but the timing is to specifically distract from the Epstein files. Some timelines were moved up.
>>2625627US politicians serve zionists and they want more oil so the production is not ruined when israel starts invading the middle east all over
>>2625671It's amazing to me that 2 decades of this shit and we still have to explain to people a big part of this is about the oil and these refineries explicitly.
>>2625670Is she based or not?
Her statement about seeking peace was very lib-coded.
>>2625673>lmaooo the US invading another country is epic because it owns le ziggers on leftypolkill yourself
>>2625666Our fellow leftcoms of the DEA
>>2625607the US stole literally CITGO, a Venezuelan refinery specialized in refining Venezuelan oil. it literally has all kind of refineries from all kind of countries, btw.
>>2625683>Her statement about seeking peace>very lib-codedwhat can she actually do? declare war to the US?
>>2625681It's okay for people to not know the intricacies of every one of the behemoth's oppressions when they condemn it
>>2625163>chileis boric still president?
>>2625710She should at least use language that encourages her people to fight against a foreign invader instead of priming them to give up immediately because muh non-violence. The US literally kidnapped their president and is threatening further attacks unless Venezuela hands over all their oil, there is no route to peace at this point.
idk it's still early so anything can happen.
>>2625670Kek imagine thinking these people + the Military were not all involved in selling out Maduro.
What they are doing at the moment is pure theatre for the base.
>>2625716>to give up immediately who said she gave up? her speech wa:
>we haven't surrendered our resources, the resources belong to our people.>the president is Maduro, we want him back.and nothing else besides the activation of special legal mechanisms and showing the main important actors of the political class all together.
>>2625718Asking real questions
>>2625726Will mamdajni save him
>>2625727no, come on lad.
>>2625717literally trump said they didn't. how stupid are you to keep it spinning to cheer on the same right-wing talking points seen online, when you have the deranged cheeto man saying literally
nah, we didn't negotiate.
>>2625670what the fuck would she know. obviously it would have been done behind her back. whatever. they gave up. they were betrayed. they're fighting space age tech with unmotivated frightened infantry armed with pea shooters. just dissolve the government. history is over. blackest reaction. eternal retarded corpocracy until human extinction
>>2625732Lol dude, your insane copium is trusting Trump now.
It's been reported for Weeks now that Maduro was basically surrounded by CIA assets from US officials, and we know from this operation from US reports that CIA assets led US forces to Maduros exact wherabouts.
>>2625596Evidence?
>i feel it Every mother fucker touting this shite is simply not a socialist.
You build large disciplined social movements and arm them for a reason. If you actually think
>big man gone all is lost you are a complete and utter retard, you literally do no understand the first thing about socialist construction, you miss the most basic of fundamentals. You don't know what you are talking about and should be quiet.
>>2625673It's been L after L for Ziggas/multipolaristas these past few years: Russia is still in the Ukraine quagmire, Assad fell, Iran cucked out of Israel and now Maduro got kidnapped.
I really don't know how can you still be a communist and believe the -ACKsis of resistance actually has a chance of defeating the AmeriKKKan empire.
>>2625734she is saying they are willing to give their lives for venezuela and calls for the rest of the world to stop dickriding the burgers
>>2625735>what the fuck would she knowshes the vice president. What the fuck do you know?
>>2625738>it has been reported>yes anonymous sources very close to the..shut the fuck up. Sure, the US has assets inside veneuzela.
Do you all have goldfish for brains? The country is literally famous for deflecting coups. They took Chavez to an island for 2 days and then had to give him back because the venezuelan people were so united in their demand to have him back.
>>2625740Their last line is to trust the Chinese gambit, 2050
it would be so funny if the judge for Maduro's trial lets him walk
what would the Trump admin do at that point?
>>2625717>he gave up>they sold out>hes weak >venezuelan leaders are literally all idiots >they cut a deal>they are bought off
>source for any of it? >Oh, well you see, its my theory why do you bother posting at all? Its literally just you feeling da vibes, except its actually based in fuck all
>>2625747I'm pretty sure most of those things tucker said are false
How did they capture Maduro so quickly and with such little opposition?
I've seen people say this was all done sloppily, but I can't think of it as anything but incredibly efficient.
>>2625671It's amazing to me that 2 decades of this shit and we still have to explain to people a big part of this is about the oil and these refineries explicitly.
>>2625683>Is she based or not?Seems like it.
>Her statement about seeking peace was very lib-coded.Continuation of Maduros message. Realistically they're probably playing for time as they try to sort their shit out, see what the americans do next, and deciding the next moves.
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>>2625746I hope she represents the majority there.
>>2625750its literally ebin based leftypol like
>A WOMAN, WHAT THE FUCK WOULD A WOMAN KNOW dawg she is 10000 times the socialist anyone on this website could ever dream of being, her dad was tortured by the CIA. Epic western doompillists with strongman characteristics need to pipe down.
>>2625743>shut the fuck up. Sure, the US has assets inside veneuzela. Yeah, much of the military at this point and Maduro's inner circle.
> The country is literally famous for deflecting coups. They took Chavez to an island for 2 days and then had to give him back because the venezuelan people were so united in their demand to have him back.Because Chavez was loved and actually a somewhat pragmatic leader.
Maduro is dogshit dictator who mass rigs elections, bases the economy on crypto bros, had a third of the country flee, and nose dived the PSUV polling to like 20% shortly after taking power.
>>2625748Because unlike copium deprogram tourists, some of us have actually followed Venezuela for longer than a few months.
The PSUV are just a puppet Government for the Venezuelan military. Venezuelan leaders are chosen by the military and deposed by the military, this has been the case before Chavez, with Chavez and post Chavez.
They got Maduro because military generals and his inner circle sold him out, how would they even know where the fuck he was otherwise? They got him in basically a 10 minute raid, all the air defenses were turned off. Russia game them thousands of pieces of AA equipment lmao, all of them easily would have BTFO'ed some helicopters
There is no explanation other than they sold out Maduro.
>>2625748I admit I have no evidence but Maduro cutting a deal with the US to protect Venezuela is the best case scenario. Otherwise it would mean that the Burgerreich can now really just enter anyone's country, kidnap the head of state with zero repercussions or significant resistance and that's quite frankly very scary ngl
>>2625734>waiting for AI to translate this video but any LatAm anons please feel free to do it the old fashioned wayKeep checking
https://www.youtube.com/@telesurenglish/videos might come up.
>>2625751there is a handful of countries on earth with the capabilities to resist the US air force and Venezuela isn't one of them. Probably hundreds of people know more or less where he is at any given point.
>>2625751CIA intel/bribes + extreme tech advantage + poor Venezuelan/Russian planning + Maduro hubris
>>2625761It’ll be a contested China without a Taiwan at the rate we’re going now
>>2625762>Anarkiddie can't handle the truth.I know it's hard, but one day, you will realize that corrupt thirdie shitholes run by gangsters are actually corrupt thirdie shitholes run by gangsters.
(Reactionary) >>2625761Fuck is iran gonna do??
>>2625738no, my 'copium' is that you want to be to the right of trump, you utter moron. get a grip.
>>2625766Busy day at the office huh?
>>2625740>I really don't know how can you still be a communist and believe theI remember when you were unironically saying shit like "yep zohran is going to be great :D".
>>2625761Russia has basically shown the entire West can't do shit on a peer on peer conflict.
Iran is pure controlled opposition to a literal meme level.
China sadly is still pretty naive when it comes to international sphere and still has Middle Kingdom syndrome.
>>2625766>corrupt thirdie shitholes run by gangsters but enough about the US
>>2625768Trump also said this was the largest and most spectacular operation since WW2. Is that true retard?
>>2625761Russia is bogged down in Ukraine, their military is a fraction of America's, and their technology is decades behind.
Iran is too weak to realistically do much and they're focused on protecting themselves in anticipation of more Israel/US attacks.
China is playing the long-game and is not going to defy the US openly right now, they are focused on building up their own productive forces, diplomatic ties, and military.
The US is the world hegemony for a reason, the US military is far and away the most powerful in the world. The fact that they can't nation build worth a shit in a hostile mountainous region doesn't change that. They are experts at these kinds of quick tactical strikes.
>>2625756>Yeah, much of the military at this point and Maduro's inner circle.been the case for literally decades. Most countries have intelligence agencies.
>Because Chavez was loved and actually a somewhat pragmatic leader.whose succesor was Maduro who continued to win elections
>Maduro is dogshit dictator who mass rigs elections,oh i see, you are literally just a lib. No, he won elections.
Its funny you're like waaaah he had agents in his inner circle and then also say waaaah he was a dictator.
If he purged the agents you'd cry about human rights violations. You believe in nothing just love a moan.
>Because unlike copium deprogram tourists, some of us have actually followed Venezuela for longer than a few months.you say this after unironcally calling him a dictator.
So, he was a dictator, but all venezuelan pres are chosen by the military anyway, but chavez, the guy who was actually a military officer and did a military coup, was not a dictator, but the bus driver trade unionist was.
Its all just waffle from you mate.
>oh yeh their military could totes btfo the us air force, i know this cos like, im a big military knowing guyyes but there is 1000% chance you literally have zero military knowledge at all in any way maybe played HOI4
>>2625758>I admit I have no evidence well then, there is simply no reason i would listen to you
>>2625774if you know how to discern falsities from truth, you know what's true and what's not true.
true: there was no negotiation.
untrue: Delcy rebukes the claim that the resources are being negotiated to the US.
>>2625766Maduro was a bus driver, and a trade unionist
but yes i suppose that does fit the US state deparment definition of "gangster" unlike cool Chavez the military officer who was actually a charity worker
you're actually a loon mate, round the twist, cooked
>>2625781That mong is just a contentious little looser obsessed with bickering on the internet to the expense of anything and anyone else. Ignore+Report.
>>2625771>Russia has basically shown the entire West can't do shit on a peer on peer conflict.By having an utterly useless military that can't defeat a smaller country on its border armed with drones and old western weaponry?
By sending soldiers to the front on fucking donkeys?
So uh, anything we can do to help people? Make things better? Something?
>>2625788>So uh, anything we can do to help people? Make things better? Something?Look in to what your local orgs are saying.
>>2625786what on earth are you on about? the latest deal suggested by the United States including giving land to Russia it hadn't even won yet.
Talking to vibes based people is like living in an alternate reality
>>2625789they made up some bullshit to justify a coup
>>2625789why even care at this point. reactionaries can always pull something out of their ass to justify their power-grabs, but whether it is true or partially true or completely false is entirely irrelevant. what is relevant is what they are doing, and who will be affected by it.
>>2625794more and more people need to realize this
>>2625787the man already admitted total defeat when he said
>i admit i have no evidence hes a vibes poster, not a facts stater
>>2625789no such thing as an unrigged election
Anons where can i read the press releases of the ELN fronts?
https://colombiareports.com/eln-shuts-down-parts-of-colombia-in-protest-against-trumps-neocolonial-plan/Here is one republished by the media as an example, do they have websites, or?
>>2625740We need to have a multipolar world ushered in by a more socialistic US and liberal (not libertarian) liberal China. One that prioritises people and the planet over profit and power.
My main hope is that we eventually put enough pressure that we transition from this neolib hellscape to a nonspineless social democracy that eventually leads to eco socialism.
>>2625800
Machado lost.
WHERE IS TANK ANON
>>2625739This. People on this site are so willing to cop out and give into despair because Maduro is out of the picture, never mind the system left in place that the Venezuelans are prepared to defend.
>>2625805
>Machado won
oh no no no no no HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DELUSIONAL
>>2625776>China is playing the long-gameand it will keep playing it when the US posts nukes and fleets of F-35s poised to strike Beijing on Taiwan lmao
Russia and Iran's cuckoldry is easy to explain, they're semi-colonial states with limited capabilities.
China is the second largest world economy in a more favorable and secure position than the USSR ever had, yet it does nothing
>>2625800
>Venezuela has always been Government with the barrel of the gun of the military at it's head
some famous maybe communist once said like "political power grows from the barrel of the gun" or something idk who he was those or if we should listen to a guy like that sounds violent and probably toxic?
>Venezuelan military is famously bonapartist by even LATAM levels.
yes including your hero Chavez you absolute nutjob
>Only because opposition was fractured and refused to work together and basically didn't even engage in elections until the last one
yes because they engaged in coups instead which maduro shrugged off (until the last one, which is more accurately described as a military intervention)
>Dude he literally yeeted the opposition leader, before the election lmao,
>dude
>my dude
>according to Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International it really isn't cool for socialists to consolidate power my dude
>He stole an election then set the Collectivos (organized crime gangs paid off by the Government)
don't think ive seen anyone lib out this hard on leftypol since about 2016 in all honesty
>Chavez had an actual base and popular support.
you say "base and popular support" I say, "gang of armed goons and brainwashed peons"
>Go back to the r/theDeprogram while the adults are talking thanks.
i dont post on reddit, you however constantly reference it, i literally dont know what that subreddit is, you apparently do. You are a redditor, and it shows
>>2625802
you are replying to me, thats my post, you are also retarded.
May I see a non-AI video of Maduro?
Imagine going on about how “Le Venezuela deserves it/ it’s a corrupt shithole” when the alternative, a fascist lead government that cow tows to Cheeto ᴉuᴉlossnW is objectively worse.
That’s not even getting into the fact that most lat-am leftist orgs are prepared and are likely mobilising against this invasion. It’s not about whether Maduro is good, or if the government is a perfect representation of socialism. This is the same stance that anyone should take whether Cuba or the DPRK was invaded by the USA- the USA is objectively the great Satan, and will replace these systems, however flawed, with something worse.
>>2625807Well to be fair given what was said, either there are other steps to the US plan that should go toward regime change with stuff we don't know, or the burger administration just did something stupid and is being delusional. It's just still a little hard to think the hegemony is being overtly retarded for many people hence the theories being cooked up.
>>2625817CIVIL WAR!
CIVIL WAR!
CIVIL WAR!
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
>>2625805
Even trump is saying in his speech about it that she has no respect in the country. You are one of the stupidest people to ever post on this site
chauvinist status?
>>2625829Sipping cum good sir
>>2625826He is saying this just because he’s bitter that she’s won the Nobel slop instead of him though
>>2625823We seen this play out already with Evo, when the new government immediately started to massacre people. These people just relish the blood and death caused. Deeply unwell individuals.
>>2625832He won the Israel prize that’s all he ever wanted
>>2625824>It's just still a little hard to think the hegemony is being overtly retardedThis is the same hegemony which released black highlights on the Epstein files and said they were redacted.
You mean to tell me Cheeto ᴉuᴉlossnW and his gang of nonces are competent?
>>2625789>Is there any actual hard evidence that Maduro riggedno.
god it would be SO FUCKING COMFY to be a neocon rn
what is the closest thing to a competent leader for leftists to simp for?
>>2625822>not authoritarian enough Didn’t most of these “coups” wind up failing with popular mobilisation of the people defending and re-establishing these systems as opposed to eccentric statesman…. Kind of like what Venezuela is doing?
>>2625843Mamdani and I'm not even joking, it's that bad
>>2625843Mamdani unironically, he plays the game too well and doesn’t come off crazy/incompetent like all other socdems
>>2625843You folks have vilified and mass reported every anon who has the potential to lead the masses here. You get what you deserve: imperialist shitlibs.
>>2625839
What victory? The government of Venezuela remains in place. The people and the army are mobilised.
You think one man getting kidnapped spells the end of the Venezuelan state?
So it's all but confirmed that Maduro was sold out by his government. But the question is why?
Maduro to be taken to Brooklyn detention centre, US media reports
Now that Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro has landed in New York, he will be flown by helicopter to the Westside Heliport in Manhattan and will be driven to the US Drug Enforcement Administration’s headquarters there for booking, according to US media reports.
From there, he will be taken to the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, where he is expected to be held before facing drug and weapons charges in Manhattan federal court next week.
The notorious jail, commonly known as MDC, is known for handling many high-profile cases, including rapper R Kelly, Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell, and, most recently, Sean "Diddy" Combs.
>>2625850>lead the massest. corrupt dictator
No kings, a leftist bows to no man
>>2625851Hopiomocopium overdose
>>2625854Oh you folks are bowing to the fascists all the time
>>2625853>the epstein jailuh oh
>>2625861Holy passive dreamer
>>2625852>all but confirmed by whom?
>>2625860reminder that this little cracker was born to parents who fled fulgencio batista but he larps that his parents fled castro
>>2625856>objective reality is copium now Point to me where the Venezuelan government has collapsed and been replaced by a fascist junta.
Show me where the communes have been liquidated.
Point to me where the military is welcoming their new Nazi nonce overlords.
Oh that’s right.
YOU CANT >>2625866did you miss the part where Trump literally said that the USA is going to run Venezuela or is this a poor attempt at trolling
>>2625862>doesnt get itlol retard
communism isnt about le masses, its about the proletariat only
>>2625869Yeah and Trump said he was going to release all the Epstein files… and build a wall… and have no more wars… and be isolationist… and make eggs cheaper…
How have all those turned out?
>>2625873Nick Fuentes also said that he wasn’t gay
>>2625860the face of that upper middle or upper class faggot that thinks he's so funny and clever in every latin american classroom ever
>>2625875Counting or not counting Cat boy Cami?
>wake up
>maduro just gave up like a bitch
its over
>>2625871No. The proletariat leads everybody else. Those who will still be alive, that is.
>>2625870I find it hilarious the US has a special celebrity prison where people get suicided. Didn’t fucking Diddy and Sam Bankman Fried literally share a cell?
>>2625885>Didn’t fucking Diddy and Sam Bankman Fried literally share a cell?and the former PM of Honduras
>>2625880more like his own military gave him up lmaooo
>>2625887uygha forgot to read Roman history. Always pay your troops well.
>>2625848
You realize there'd be dancing in the streets of America if someone took out Trump right? Does that mean he didn't win his elections and nobody supported him?
Crowds don't automatically represent the majority of the population, especially in a country with deep CIA operations. When Mosaddegh was overthrown by the CIA in 1953 the CIA paid off a bunch of people to act as crowds of opposition to make it seem like the coup was popular.
>>2625888Dprk military first vindicated once again
>>2625889If someone took out Trump I genuinely believe there would be a civil war and MAGApedes would shoot up democrat senator houses probably that very same night
>>2625893>thinking amerifats will raise their asses from the couch to do anything other than fight for israelLmao
>Mr. Trump also suggested that his administration would continue to target Venezuelan government officials if they side with Mr. Maduro.
>“If they stay loyal, the future is really bad, really bad for them,” he said.
invasion is still on the menu
>>2625895You underestimate the average Americans bloodlust. They will shoot you over you forgetting to signal on the highway or over a soda.
>>2625897We should assume the worst at this point, this is Iraq 2.0. Except this time it will be even more brutal, with no pretense of international cooperation or trying to win over the civilian population. It will just be non-stop slaughter.
>>2625902I hope libs realize that the US military openly jokes about the Geneva Conventions and calls them "the Geneva Suggestions".
>>2625902The only way we can stop him is by vooooting
It is likely that Brazil has retained the technological capacity and know-how to produce and deliver a nuclear weapon.[7] Experts at the Los Alamos National Laboratory have concluded that in view of its previous nuclear activities, Brazil is in a position to produce nuclear weapons within three years.[25] If Brazil decided to pursue a nuclear weapon, the centrifuges at the Resende enrichment plant could be reconfigured to produce highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons. Even a small enrichment plant like Resende could produce several nuclear weapons per year, but only if Brazil was willing to do so openly.[9][22][26]
The Brazilian Navy is currently developing a nuclear submarine fleet, and in 2007 authorised the construction of a prototype submarine propulsion reactor.[27] In 2008, France agreed to transfer technology to Brazil for the joint development of the nuclear submarine hull.
>>2625906actual cowards if they decide they don't need it
>>2625899This, the Cheeto probably thinks the solution to immigration is to kill immigrants at the source: other countries
>The former president of Honduras Juan Orlando Hernández, was abruptly pardoned by President Trump last month.
>Mr. Trump, when asked on Saturday about his December pardon of Mr. Hernández in light of the operation against Mr. Maduro, made no attempt to disguise his feelings about Mr. Hernández: He saw himself in the imprisoned president.
>“The man that I pardoned was, if you could equate it to us, he was treated like the Biden administration treated a man named Trump,” Mr. Trump said, adding, “This was a man who was persecuted very unfairly. He was the head of the country.”
>In 2024, prosecutors asked a judge to ensure that Mr. Hernández died in prison, saying that he had abused his power, had connections to violent traffickers and was responsible for the “unfathomable destruction” cocaine had caused in the United States. Mr. Trump pardoned him nonetheless.
>Mr. Hernández was charged in 2022 with conspiring to import cocaine into the U.S. and using machine guns as part of that conspiracy. The charges unveiled against Mr. Maduro on Saturday also include a cocaine importation conspiracy and possession of machine guns as part of it. The combination of the trafficking and gun charges makes the potential penalties in such prosecutions more severe.
>When Mr. Hernández was extradited, Tegucigalpa, the Honduran capital, erupted in celebration, and, after his conviction, expatriates rejoiced outside the Manhattan courthouse. But after pardoning Mr. Hernández last month, Mr. Trump defended the decision, saying it was the will of Hondurans.
>>2625902it don't every want to hear about the UN or international law again. why do they continue this farce? what purpose does it serve?
>>2625876Aura farming for the album drop
>>2625906Nothing will happen so long as that country is ruled by a comprador bourgeoise(also a comprador military). There is no solution for LATAM other than communism. Hard capital C Communism
>>2625908That and removing the population to build hotel resorts and seize all the resources.
Zionist tactics will be exported to the Americas.
>>2625912Political cover for the US
>>2625916why bother? there is no material opposition
>>2625869>going to He was also going to run Gaza. Let's see how that works out, yea?
will iranian protestors be emboldened by this operation thinking it is now more likely either the us or israel kill khamenei?
do you think khamenei and co. will do something about these latest developments to protect themselves?
>>2625917Idk ask obongo he seemed to be the one that cared about muh international image, bush and trump don’t give a fuck
>>2625920Israel and USA love Khomeini they have zero reason to get rid of him
>Trump ally President Javier Milei says "we celebrate the fall of the narco-terrorist dictator Maduro". Offering Argentina's help in the country's transition to new government, he says "there are no half-measures or shades of grey here" he adds. "You are either on the side of GOOD, or you are on the side of EVIL"
>>2625914I never understood how bourgeoisie outside the US are so subservient to foreign capital, they don't even gain anything from it lmao
Based China will surely step in to save their fellow comrades in Cuba from le burgerreich aggression, r-right fellow multipolaristas???
>>2625929>>2625929>I never understoodYears of indoctrination with American ideology slop (culture wars, etc)
Middle class also have a big effect on this
>>2625930Based china finna invade Taiwan while the neocons are busy carving up South America
Kruschev and Breshnev were lions compared to modern China LMAO
>>2625927I say bring it.
Let the Jungles of Latin America be the grave yard of fascists
>>2625930nah. all this absorption of latin american countries into the USA sphere of influence will extend the life of USA capital. there's nothing to do but wait for the internal contradictions reach the point of starvation and mass death for capitalism to reach a crisis point. and that'll take a century.
>>2625929>The International Monetary Fund just lent Argentina an enormous amount of money to pay its foreign bondholders because they said, you’re a Fascist country, you’re a Zionist country, of course, we’ll give you the money to pay the bondholders.
>And by the way, tell your bondholders that we can’t do this forever. Let them use this money we’re lending you to get out of the Argentine economy and put their money in dollars or gold or hard currency. Our job is to subsidize capital flight by the client oligarchies in Argentina or other countries. To get their money out and to empty out their countries so that once Milei’s right-wing government is replaced by, presumably, a left-wing government, the left-wing government will be absolutely strapped for cash and will have to prevent devaluation by going to the IMF and say, if we devalue, then we’re going to have to lower the standard of living of our labor because our workers are going to have to pay much more for all of their imports, just like in the United States. This is why. Michael Hudson btw
>>2625936i wish bro. it's not gonna happen
>>2625936are you from latin america
>>2625936seeing as how the american military is a paper tiger it's obvious any attempt at occupying the mountainous jungles would turn it into Trump's vietnam
>>2625936>implyingYOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
THERE IS ONLY ONE ACTUAL MILITARY ON EARTH, OTHER COUNTRIES CAN'T DO THIS SHIT
THE US HAS LEARNED FROM ITS MISTAKES AND THEIR GRIP HAS ONLY GROWN TIGHTER
THEY BROUGHT VENEZUELA TO ITS KNEES IN TWO HOURS WHILE PUTIN HAS BEEN STUCK IN THE MUD FOR FOUR YEARS
THE ONLY GRAVES IN LATAM WILL BE OUR OWN
FUCK
>>2625936>implying there are any proles in the jungleNo sweetie the cartel gunman forcing trafficked women to cook coke and live in slavery are not le based tho
It doesn’t seem like the people give a shit either, I doubt their would be massive riots in Mexico if they plucked that lady out like they did to big N.
>>2625951>I doubt their would be massive riots in Mexico if they plucked that lady outShe has like 80% approval rating
>>2625946reminder burgers can't keep up with production in china
>>2625923A lot of people have seemingly misunderstood what Lenin meant about weeks and decades. He didn't literally mean that nothing was happening during those decades, but rather that it
appeared as if nothing was happening, until those minor events added up, quantity transformed into quality, and suddenly all the happenings of the decades manifest in huge changes in the course of weeks.
>>2625951im from mexico and i think there would be (not that we'd be able to do do anything about it) as she's not unpopular like maduro and besides mexico doesn't have any prominent right wing monkey to prop up besides salinas pliego recently trying to turn into that
>>2625946hysterical retard
>>2625954>>2625957It won’t happen regardless, she’s a jewish Zionist and a woman they wouldn’t do her like that
>>2625957>maduro is unpopularProofs?
>>2625946>the US learned from its mistakes And Lat AM has it.
This war is inevitable. Trump runs a decaying empire controlled by a Pedo-cracy.
The people of Venezuela are more emboldened than ever in their hatred for the US. The US are nothing but bullies and cowards who, like all fascists, can only target the most vulnerable and will lose when a civilian population disciplines and arms itself.
It happened in Greece, Italy, Russia, Yugoslavia, Vietnam and it’s happening in Venezuela.
Let the orange nonce puff his chest. We all know it’s all hot air.
>>2625960Based George making people seethe with alternative facts
>>2625963*and Lat Am hasn’t?
>>2625960The spirit of Lenin said it
>>2625946they only took maduro, they didn't dismantled the government
this shit ain't even technically impressive, he just commited a fucking war crime, even Putin could have done the same to jewlenskyyy
>>2625968>even Putin could have done the sameLmao Putin can’t advance 40 miles into Ukraine in 4 years, I love this delicious cope
>>2625959this is completely anecdotal but all the israeli postes on 4chan hate her because she's a "traitor jew"
>>2625946>THERE IS ONLY ONE ACTUAL MILITARY ON EARTH, OTHER COUNTRIES CAN'T DO THIS SHITChina's military has reached parity with the US's in terms of its size. They just don't go around starting wars for the sake of it.
>>2625972ever since the west announced foreign aid he retreated and played a war of attrition, making big gains isn't the point
>>2625976What do you mean? She’s pro israel how is she a traitor
>>2625225WARia GLOWrina MaCHUDo
>>2625976israelis would denounce the second coming of theodor fucking herzl for not being zionazi enough, such is the genocidal bloodlust of the israeli
>>2626005>>2625225the only nice thing to see today was all the fucking regime change pundits malding at trump's comment of that fucking rat.
Maduro should've killed her.
>>2625981She's not you fucking liar
>>2626028NICE LADY BUT NOBODY LIKES HERtopkek honestly. Imagine being her and knowing this will be her record in history.
>>2626224it's a show trial in a country that kidnapped him
If anything, it's good that the mask is finally fully off. No consent manufacturing needed beyond the dumbass MAGA base.
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