I don't know whose is more passive-agressive here, the reporter or roobio
So, before the thread starts getting bait thrown in it by you know which retard, did anything notable happen last night or this morning?
>>2628335o i thot u wer opposition supporter
>>2628352if you don't got nukes just shut the fuck up
>>2628354Thesis: Venezuela
Antithesis: Vuvuzela
Synthesis: uWuzela
05 January 2026
08:00 GMT
Venezuela has asked the US to reopen its embassy in Caracas, and Washington is “thinking about it,” Trump has said.
Venezuela and the US severed diplomatic relations in 2019 after Washington recognized opposition leader Juan Guaido as interim president, which resulted in the closure of its embassy in Caracas. Since then, the US has operated without an embassy in Venezuela, handling a limited number of diplomatic and consular matters through its embassy in Colombia.
07:39 GMT
Trump has said he doesn’t think America’s operation in Venezuela will fray Washington’s ties with China’s Xi Jinping. “I have a very good relationship. We have the power of tariffs, and he has other powers on us,” he told reporters aboard Air Force One.
>>2628350>It is the same rhetoric as before. Still have no proof lf selloutexxon WAS already there tho. and maduro himself said hed give trump everything he wanted.
i dont even think its selling out on either side tho. maduro probably told the vp he was gonna give up to save civvies. it even makes sense if they can get sanctions lifted and get paid to export crude to texas where the refineries are purpose built for sulpher rich crude.
if she can keep the communes and use the profit for infrastructure and start importing medicine its win-win-win and a valiant sacrifice. we havent even heard chinas side yet, maybe they encouraged the capitulation. trump did say they would export to china.
trump is a mobster he just wants his cut from the business in his territory
>>2628365>and maduro himself said hed give trump everything he wanted. Source?
Maduro was evacuated tho
>>2628371What can Maduro give exactly at this point? US doesn't even recognize him as legitimate.
It's a fucking puppet show to turn eyes from Epstein files, the economy, sliding Trump support, etc
>>2628352I'm thinking about making a leftist cult series, something like Death Note, in which the main character is able to materialize a big red button of death every time he witnesses geopolcunt hypocrisy. If he presses the button, the hypocrite dies a creatively painful death, which is also kinda Saw-like because I have no original ideas on this.
>>2628373>What can Maduro give exactly at this point?He could cuck out and propose the nobel peace prize winner to be president causing chaos in the current government. How colectivaz will react to this is unsure.
>>2628365Man where are these gusano posts coming from?
Like fucking weeks ago we had these same bullshit published by the western MSM (NYT?) and nobody gave a shit because of the obvious consent manufacturing. But now you got all these State Department people concern trolling and reposing the same bullshit over and over again.This is a retread of Iraq wrt propaganda, but everything feels lazier, shittier.
I'm not gonna spend6h of my life turboposting to debunk the firehose of lies, half truths and incomprehensible slop produced by a cunch of paid trolls, because i'm not paid. So I do not give a shit if you *win*, if you "flood the zone". IDGAF If you can manage so that the most retarded of the USSD talking points become canon for the world's NPCs.
You are objectively incorrect, your empire is dying and all this effort to subvert the perceived "left" currents within will ammount to nothing when line stops going up and all the other liberal dogs on the world
feast on you. So have fun while it lasts, I'm young enough to see what awaits you.
>>2628375I saw someone in a prev thread say he should stand up in the courtroom and shout about Christian persecution. I'll run with that.
He should say he had a dream in which an angel revealed that Trump is one of the Beasts who possessed Trump during the assassination attempt in Butler. The angel told him that it wasn't actually God who saved him, as the MAGAcels claim, because God wouldn't have had to kill the firefighter there. The angel then showed him every deadly sin that Trump epitomizes.
>>2628381> everything feels lazier, shittier. they realized somewhere down the line that the speed and frequency at which their narrative is repeated matters a lot more than its consistency or believability.
05 January 2026
08:54 GMT
Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has said recent world events, including the crisis in Venezuela, were a sign that “the liberal world order is breaking down,” noting that US President Donald Trump’s election has delivered the “final blow.”
>>2628381i dont actually think its gonna be good for vnz but i think socdem maduro might have thought so
>>2628370Still no proof. 32 Cuban and similar number of Venezuelan soldiers died protecting Maduro.
>>2628388The thing is for years Venezuela has been one of the biggest oil suppliers for the US.
>>2628391thats what im saying. it makes sense. its more expensive to export further away to refiners that are less capable. more for vnz and a cut for trump. koch bros made their refinery specifically for the ratios in orinoco. they only care about their monopoly not the oil itself they just want their cut to maintain profitability with LNG in the fracking post-boom economy. its the same reason they started the war with russia, putin wouldn't let them take a majority share in rosneft or gazprom, and wouldn't give them a cut of the black sea.
>>2628394dont u think telesur would publish a denial if he didn't offer?
>>2628400why entertain the claims of a
nation bunch of corporations in a trenchcoat run by a zionist genocidal pedophile? to deny them gives them undeserved oxygen! ignore them!
>>2628392>offered Rookie mistake.
The hegemon takes offers, negotiations, etc. as weakness.
>but Art of the DealGhostwritten slop.
>>2628402because maduro has done deals before
>>2628401They haven't "done" even Venezuela yet.
>>2628401i am worried about my e-friend from cuba tbh, i hope his military training kicks him once the US dares to step on cuba
>>2628402Seriously. Multipolaristas should insist that all their boomer leaders go through remedial zoomer training and learn about how to ghost, how not to simp, etc.
Trump's doing a Deng-offer to Venezuela: liberalize your economy and democracy will come!
05 January 2026
09:27 GMT
The Trump administration is hastily taking measures to “establish a pliant interim government” in Venezuela, CNN has reported, citing US officials. The network’s sources claim that Washington is “prioritizing administrative stability and repairing the country’s oil infrastructure over an immediate turn to democracy.”
Another facet of the plan is reportedly convincing US oil companies to return to Venezuela, the report said.
>>2628401>They're gonna do Cuba nextThe rhetoric coming from even the more 'sober' figures in Trump's administration isn't comforting, tbh.
Time to get your necromancy on and bring back Khrushchev, because the US is not going to face any global resistance whatsoever with the current BRICS leadership.
I'm not convinced Kamala would've done this. She would've still let Israel run amok, tho.
>>2628413I never know if these people are genuinely retarded enough to answer 'not sure' to a question, instead of refusing to answer or if they are too afraid to voice their opinion.
>>2628411>Time to get your necromancy on and bring back Khrushchev,yes we need peaceful coexistence lol
>>2628425His flaws are known, but he's a proven performer in saving Cuba. We'd be mad not to bring him back.
>>2628416Kamala = Hillary
Hillary did a very similar thing to Gaddafi.
>>2628416American presidents don't set their policy. It's set for them.
>>2628412>SUPOOOOOOOORT<OPOOOOOOOOOSEIn practice what is done to back that opinion? Nothing. The next Obama will be as the last.
What is this measuring for, the Polymarket bets? Yeah high likelihood that the USians will vote for *
the rother party* whoopty fucking doo.
Is the war over after the coup? I tuned out after Maduro was captured and nothing happened. Civil war status?
I had a phone call with Xi and Putin and told them to stop responding to burger copyright takedown requests on their platforms. We'll see how it goes…
Probably Khamenei has more to fear than the Cuban leadership in the immediate future.
>>2628371<Source? TrumpYou are a massive retard. How did you even find this site? Go back wherever you came from.
>>2628431mogs the trump double handjob dance
A North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesperson condemned the U.S. coercive actions against Venezuela as a flagrant violation of sovereignty and international law.
(Pyongyang, January 4, Korean Central News Agency)
A spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea responded to a question posed by a Korean Central News Agency reporter on the 4th regarding the United States' flagrant violation of Venezuela's sovereignty as follows:
We understand the gravity of the current situation in Venezuela, brought about by the US's coercive actions, in the context of the increased instability it will add to an already fragile regional situation.
This incident serves as yet another example of the rogue and bestial nature of the United States, a trait the international community has witnessed countless times over the years.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea strongly condemns the U.S. hegemonic actions in Venezuela as the most serious form of infringement on sovereignty and a flagrant violation of the UN Charter and international law, the fundamental goals of which are respect for sovereignty, non-interference in internal affairs, and territorial integrity.
The international community must recognize the seriousness of the Venezuelan crisis, which has had devastating consequences for the integrity of regional and international relations, and must raise its voice in protest and condemnation of the United States' habitual violations of sovereignty. (End)
Your opinion of Chagos poster:
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVL8JGn3Your opinion of Iron Felix:
https://strawpoll.com/mpnb1lXaEy5Your voice matters, anons
05 January 2026
11:18 GMT
France does not approve of the approach used to remove Maduro from power, President Emmanuel Macron has said during a cabinet meeting, as cited by government spokeswoman Maud Bregeon.
“We defend international law and the freedom of peoples. The method that was used is neither supported nor approved,” Macron said, adding that he supports “popular sovereignty,” which he said was “expressed in 2024” during elections in Venezuela.
Macron was referring to the Venezuelan opposition’s claims that its candidate, Edmundo Gonzalez, had won the vote. However, the National Electoral Council declared Maduro the winner with around 52% of the vote.
>>2628430It's pissed vs mildly pissed vs dumb (dunno) vs pleased with imperialism. That's aboot it. Only PSL is actively protesting it in burgerstan.
>>2628432There was no coup. There was a snatch.
No civil war either.
>>2628444NK:
>bestial nature of the United States, a trait the international community has witnessed countless times over the years.If you call burgers beasts or rabid dogs (etc.) in USA/pol general you are gambling on getting banned for the reason "burgerphobia"
Sage, cuz off topic meta, but still. Wish we had DPRK posters here and our mods having to justify DPRK IPs (they wouldn't)
>>2628478>our mods having to justify banning DPRK IPs (they wouldn't)*
>>2628469>Everyone knows that Chagos is legit (even if sometimes unhinged) while Felix is an unredeemable schizo lolcow 05 January 2026
11:46 GMT
Switzerland’s Federal Council has ordered that any assets held in the country by Maduro or individuals associated with him be immediately frozen, saying the move is intended “to prevent an outflow of assets.”
It added that the measure “does not affect members of the current Venezuelan government,” noting that if future legal proceedings show the funds were illicitly acquired, Switzerland will seek to ensure they “benefit the Venezuelan people.” The asset freeze takes effect immediately and will remain in force for four years unless lifted earlier.
>>2628481Yes, we – the rest of the world – understand that you burgers redifined idpol to mean from "hyper-individualistic pseudo-praxis" to "what barbaric workers criticize as the fascists they are".
We know your tricknology. Nobody is buying it. Everybody knows you have been purging the community to enforce your radlib bubble in the name of """left unity""" which is just, in reality: "whatever liberal progressive-types spout is faxx.'
K, thx. Sage, cuz meta & offtopic.
Byyyyeeee, lib tyrant
>the reason I can't be rude against random people on the internet is because of some CIA conspiracy or something
Touch grass you fucking retard
12:08 GMT
China’s Foreign Ministry has condemned America’s “blatant use of force,” warning that its kidnapping raid on Venezuela “seriously violates international law and basic norms in international relations.”
It noted that Washington’s military intervention “infringes upon Venezuela’s sovereignty and threatens peace and security in Latin America and the Caribbean region,” while calling on all parties to respect Venezuela’s right to “independently choose its development path.”
The ministry said it supports the UN Security Council holding an emergency meeting to discuss the Venezuela crisis, adding that Beijing is ready to work with the international community to “firmly defend the UN Charter and the fundamental principles of international justice.”
12:08 GMT
The Russian Embassy in Venezuela has “strongly advised” Russian citizens against travelling to the country due to the “armed aggression of the United States” against Caracas and the risk of further attacks.
>>2628360My main concern is that the Rodriguez government will function as a US vassal state. Current Trump statements suggest this is not certain yet
>>2628495Enjoy your funkopos then while the world burns around you!
Everyone can see you have no substance, no integrity, no theory behind your actions.
It's just how it is, bruh.
>>2628497>leftcom defending idpolNow I've seen everything.
>>2628515>muh immoral consumptionI will enjoy my treats, cope and seethe
>>2628515Im literally opposing idpol you fucking retard
>>2628520You are doing the exact opposite and it is clear to anyone who reads the context.
>B-but I redifined idpol to mean….Nobody cares, we see through you. You are merely using the leftcom flag to stir shit, you pathetic moron.
>>2628518Fair is fair. Enjoy them treats, bro.
>>2628371Trump is an unreliable source for anything.
He said that they had already taken over Venezuela.
>>2628541If you go to a thread about US politics just to spew hate, and get banned for it, it isn't a conspiracy against you, you are just a cunt
I don't understand why you don't get it.
I use the leftcom flag because it triggers retards like you
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2628549Who is this fucking belgian cunt you seem obsessed with you fucking autist?
>>2628552he is your fellow Genosse of the Bordigist SS legion. You burned barns of villagers together, dont you remember?
>>2628478It's the non-bullshit version of "I hate russian government but not russians" trope thougbeit
05 January 2026
12:29 GMT
A motorcade carrying Maduro has been seen leaving the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, as the Venezuelan leader is set to stand before the court later in the day, CNN has reported.
Separately, NY Post reporter Kevin Sheehan shared a video of what looked like the motorcade, which included at least one armored vehicle.
>>2628548>If you go to a thread about US politics just to spew hate, and get banned for it, it isn't a conspiracy against you, you are just a cuntWhat exact qualities of burger culture are to be celebtated while that country is fucking falling apart as we speak, and even 90% of burger posters reinforce the idea that it is an unsalvageable nation? What positives should I see in such configuration as a Marxist?
>inb4 "rights"Please drop that leftcom flag, wil ya?!
>I use the leftcom flag because it triggers retards like you<I hade my beliefs behind layers of ironyis exactly why you are deemed to perish by history.
Meds now, autists
>>2628548>I'm merely false-flaggingWhere's my team of mods banning you for openly declaring you a troll?
I guess I'm not socdem enough and not westoid enough to get the "team" to back me up. You are such a scum, lmao. On the level of OP info.
>>2628568Im not falseflagging though? I truly believe all the current "socialist" regimes are full of shit
2628574
kill yourself
>>2628412>durrrr not sureI think I hate these people the most
>>2628578How come obvious trolls don't get removed?
Is this a DotP of moderation or a "left-unity" (i.e. "meaningless) moderation?
How come our enlightened fucking westoid mods don't crack down on the most fucking obvious troll posters while harrassing the fucking actual communists?
It's so interdasting, dude.
Player says: "I'm a shill", and gets a forever-pass, while players saying: "uhm, I'm not exactly sure about THAT FUCKING CULTURAL POLICY YOU TRY TO DOWN OUR THROATS, BTW I WANT COMMUNISM" gets permabanned?!?!
It's almost as if our mods were incompetent and counterproductive or something.
>>2628578But it does trigger retards like you though??????????
>>2628583>ARGH IT' DA WESTOIDSautism
>>2628579Extremely common Drew Pavlou L. Maybe once we Australians have a revolution and we establish the Great Southern People's Republic we can just put him in a cage on public display for the people to make fun of him as they go about their day.
>>2628585>>2628584You already openly said that you are false-flagging by using the leftcom flag.
Care to come open and expose yourself for the retarded idology you hold??
>>2628568>>2628583If this place was serious every anon who goes "Mods permaban this falsifier, >moralism, >voluntarism, >personalism" who be insta banned. THAT's trolling.
But no, being rude to nazis is what gets you banned.
>>2628469>Your opinion of Iron Felix:Like which one? There are dozens of respawns lmao. The original one arrived at the correct conclusion about BRICS leaders (many were in denial), so I'm giving one point for that, but I'm taking away that one point because he reached the conclusion by trusting the most ridiculous news headlines and doomgrammers, many of which didn't pan out.
>>2628596I thought there is only one Iron Felix. THE Evan Reif. The archnemesis of Grocery Store workers.
>>2628597I know at least two people who posted as him for kicks.
>>2628583>>2628593>>2628585You guys are objectively fascists while hiding behind (as rats, as cowards) objective takes.
>>2628476So nothing happened?
Reminder that restraint is weakness. No exceptions.
>>2628497>edgelord leftcom is actually a fragile treatleriteclassic
>>2628548holy triggered
go back to your containment thread
>>2628431Maduro has always had strong aura.
>>2628548>I use the leftcom flag because it triggers retards like you>>2628584>But it does trigger retards like you though??????????I don't even know whether you're responding to idiots or not, but it's 2025, man, not 2015. Going around in 2025 talking about triggering people is as quaint as going around in 2015 talking about duckrolling people.
>>2628651I mean, 2026, sorry. Damn mental inertia. I guess you'll be responding to an idiot if you respond to me.
Absolutely hilarious
Seriously, how pathetic are Vuvuzuela's security apparati that their fucking leader gets Kidnapped? Where were the armed guards?
It's so dumb that it seems like an inside job
Trump is getting angry about Maduro winning over almost every fed he encounters lmao.
>>2628700 (me)
I mean, that's my assumption from the fact that FOX is mad about all the agents having friendly photos with him.
Even my chud cousin thought the sensory-dep photos they've released of Maduro just makes him look based and relatable, like a gamer.
Honestly, Maduro just needs to meme like crazy, and he'll soon have a higher approval rating in America than Trump.
He needs to get a shout in there somehow: "SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND."
>>2628691It was all Cubanos..
Why wont any country nuke the US? atp i just hope for a global holocaust if i seer burgerstanis on toast, most evil country in history
<Russia demands that the U.S. immediately release the “elected president” Maduro and his wife
<Russia’s permanent representative to the UN, Nebenzya, came out with a strong condemnation of the Americans.
<Stumbling over his words and mixing up the name of the ousted dictator, Nebenzya said that any disagreements between Venezuela and the U.S. should be resolved through dialogue.
Watched the UNSC session and it was painful watching the gusana spook from the 'anti-corruption ngo' boomering all over her shitty audio and connection issues. Even the translator had to sigh several times in annoyance.
These are the incompetent people the US is propping up, jesus.
>>2628352Now I’m hoping Trump does invade and dismantle Greenland’s government. I just want to see what these pussies will say.
>>2628773imperialists still need to deny china access to those reserves.
>>2628781trump said he wanted to sell the oil to china doe. plus only 3-5% of China's total oil imports come from venezuela so even if they were cut off they'd just buy more from canada
>>2628764Americans are known to be schizophrenic and hold contradictonary opinions. You can get 30% of Americans to agree on ANYTHING.
>>2628773
>could cost>could takethe US managed, through sanctions, to drop Venezuela's oil output to below 300k barrels per day.
in less than 3 years, the production recovered to around a million per day. and I am pretty sure it didn't require $10b
the article is merely scaremongering for investment.
and I pointing this out to no one important, because I don't think BP exes lurk this board.
I have a question, why does Latin America produce self hating, unpatriotic people? Like Machado? People who sell all their resources to foreign corporations and not develop their own resource independence to build their own wealth? I don’t want to hear anything like “they don’t have much history to be proud of”, because these people always fly their own flags even when they come to the US as immigrants.
>>2628786>scaremongering for investmentL m a o that's not how that works
>>2628787They're known as comprador capitalists and exist in every country subject to imperialism
>>2628789yeah, sure buddy. you can try, but I am sure you won't.
and this can't explain what triggered the economic crisis that Venezuela suffered around 2014-2106 that triggered the opposition protests that served as a ramp to sanction and start more blatant aggressions against the country.
>>2628790But they’re usually not actual capitalists. They just want to turn their nation into a corporate colony.
>>2628787>I have a question, why does Latin America produce self hating, unpatriotic people? Like Machado? People who sell all their resources to foreign corporations and not develop their own resource independence to build their own wealth? I don’t want to hear anything like “they don’t have much history to be proud of”, because these people always fly their own flags even when they come to the US as immigrants.There
>>2628715 you got your answer
The term in Latinos or Spaniard are Gusanos/Gringos, idk if in English maybe this stuff
>>2628790 >>2628568>Where's my team of mods banning you for openly declaring you a troll?check again
>>2628548>leftypol has "shitposting flags" (explicitly endorsing the concept of false flagging)>user gets banned for using a leftcom flag to false flagwew lad
North Korea stages a show of force following intervention in Venezuela.
According to a report by the official news agency KCNA on Monday, the test was conducted two days after the U.S. captured Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro.
The Pyongyang regime accuses the U.S. of trying to overthrow its government with a similar scenario for decades, and defends its military and nuclear programs as a deterrent against this threat.
North Korea conducted its first missile launch of 2026 on Sunday. KCNA announced that the test involved a new weapons system using "advanced," hypersonic missiles. These missiles were first tested last October.
According to KCNA, Kim Jong Un said, “Recent geopolitical crises and complex international developments clearly demonstrate why this is necessary.”
Kim also claimed that North Korea has recently made “significant progress” in preparing its nuclear forces “for a real war.”
The Pyongyang regime strongly condemned the US arrest of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro in Caracas on Saturday. Maduro was later reportedly taken to New York, arrested, and will be tried on various charges, including “narcoterrorism.”
North Korea's Foreign Ministry described the operation as "yet another example revealing the thuggish and ruthless character of the United States," and called it a "grave attack" on Venezuela's sovereignty.
KCNA did not specify how many missiles were launched on Sunday, but reported that they struck targets in the Sea of Japan, approximately one thousand kilometers away.
It is noteworthy that the missile test coincided with South Korean President Lee Jae Myung's visit to China. Lee is expected to discuss trade as well as the North Korea issue with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Beijing's influence over Pyongyang is considered to be a decisive factor in diplomatic rapprochement efforts between the Koreas.
>>2628791Isn't fracking only viable if oil price is like 90 usd per barrel? Fracking itself only is an weapons against american inflation.
>>2628792>changed the subject>not knowing how scaremonging and de-investment campaigns are.obviously you are out of your league when it comes to read US propaganda, and their purpose.
The motherfuckers are already segueing into Iran. They can't believe the passivity they're seeing from BRICS and will try to milk as much as they can.
>>2628806What do you think BRICS is?
>>2628808It's just easier to type that than "Russia and China"
>>2628764>>2628757>that 18% that support american take over of the country but also thinks venezuelans should choose their own leaders>>2628784>Americans are known to be schizophrenic and hold contradictonary opinions. You can get 30% of Americans to agree on ANYTHING.well americans are literally lied to by 24/7 by a retard slop news cycle that gives you brain damage. americans are literally told nonstop that something called "Cartel of the Suns" runs Venezuela so normie burgers literally think they're marvel superheroes freeing Venezuela from a cartel gangster govt., it's the exact opposite of reality. I really want to impress upon the hardened non-American marxist leninists ITT that if you were born in a retard country like the USA and exposed to nonstop lies and not taught critical thinking skills and were exposed to zionist slop 24/7 you would also believe these lies. remember our polls also target older people with too much free time who watch TV all day. because they're dead call polls that younger people tend to ignore because they're at work.
>>2628809Why would Russia and China go to war against America to save Venezuela and/or Iran?
>>2628796>The term in Latinos or Spaniard are Gusanos/Gringos, idk if in English maybe this stuff >>2628790Pawn, puppet, peon, scab, leech, parasite, paid actors/propagandists, influencers, so on and on
>>2628802YES. it suffers from something an analyst once named 'the red queen syndrome', and it's a phenomenon where shale gas/oil wells deplete so rapidly (losing 70-90% of output in the first three years) that the industry must constantly drill thousands of new wells just to maintain overall production, and stay afloat. and even knowing that, they all bet on that to 'empty Russia, Iran and Venezuela's coffers' as a process of scaremongering investment on those countries and destabilize their economies.
of course, that makes the everyday-life of the average American more expensive.
>>2628814first they came for the venezuelans, but I did not act, because I was not venezuelan
then they came for the iranians, but I did not act, because I was not Iranian
etc. etc.
>>2628814Why didn't America take Cuba during the Cold War?
Also, war wasn't the only option being discussed in this general. Lots of length discussions about Chinese sanctions.
>>2628807>admiral this can't be called war.well, that's where trump mogs you.
>>2628814They wouldn't and won't
>>2628787>>2628794Mao said it best reactionaries are pretty much the same everywhere, including the part where think have weird pseudo-calvinist view in which wealthy person=good person. Since they're a good person the only reason they aren't wealthy right now is because of da jews or commies or whatever. As far as I can tell Rand is also fairly popular in LatAm comprador circles and that whole perspective is predicated on rich people just being inherently better on a moral level. I'm sure all the CIA backed evangelical churches preaching prosperity gospel also helps
tldr:TEMS makes you a bad person
>>2628819>first they came for the venezuelans, but I did not act, because I was not venezuelan then they came for the iranians, but I did not act, because I was not Iranian etc. etc.Bring it on, they should just annex entire American continent. America for Americans, Europe for Europeans, Asia for Asians & Australia for Australians. Then, be done with it.
Its not like the international law/international community is real, right?
>>2628824
>America for Americans,
>Australia for Australians
Hmmmmmmmm those already no longer belong to the indigenous inhabitants. so why would
>Europe for Europeans, Asia for Asians
remain the status quo?
And why didn't you mention Africa?
>>2628824
Wrinkle: The only thing China cares about is the island of Taiwan, and the only thing Russia cares about is Donbass. The silver lining is that nobody can accuse them of imperialism.
>>2628830>remain the status quo? And why didn't you mention Africa?Africans were too colonized, I doubt they could unite entire continent. This is the multipolar world all of you dreaming, no? Until someday, each continent started to unite all continent under one banner and one planet. Hell, bring back monarchies if you wish… Communism is also not so different with kingdom of humanity but with sophisticated words, isn't it?
>>2628827Don’t know what TEMS is.
>>2628828>Europe for EuropeansNah, Europe for Americans. Europeans are pathetic cowards. If the US sent the navy to any European nation and then took their leader, they’d bow down over night and beg for peace and then denounce softly. Euroids are trying to kick out brown folks from their nations because they realize that they are subhuman weaklings who can only punch down because they know America/Israel are their daddy.
>>2628839>This is the multipolar world all of you dreaming, no? No, not really. Multipolarity is not meant to be a permanent state of affairs. It is the objective results of the decay of US unipolar hegemony. It will come with its own new set of problems which will need to be overcome through struggle. The reason people appear to "desire" or "want" multipolarity is because they oppose US hegemony, not because they see it as the final end goal. Also national sovereignty is a bourgeois fiction having its origins in the Treaty of Westphalia, let alone continental sovereignty. In reality history shows the violation of national sovereignty by great powers whenever it is convenient. You seem to be proposing ethnostates but on a greater scale.
>Hell, bring back monarchies if you wish… Communism is also not so different with kingdom of humanity but with sophisticated words, isn't it?Somehow you are making both Vladimir Lenin and Tsar Nicholas II roll in their graves.
>>2628787Because it is far cheaper and more profitable to let foreign powers develop your industry.
>>2628847>Nah, Europe for Americans. Europeans are pathetic cowards. If the US sent the navy to any European nation and then took their leader, they’d bow down over night and beg for peace and then denounce softly. Euroids are trying to kick out brown folks from their nations because they realize that they are subhuman weaklings who can only punch down because they know America/Israel are their daddy.Or Europe will just ditch US and ally with their former foes, such as Russia & China. After all, Pax Americana already over. Also who would ally with United Suckers America?
>>2628827Absolutely retarded.
>>2628828>first they came for the venezuelansAnon… first they came for the chagossians 😢 but I did not speak out because that was an imageboard user's
pet grievance and I did not want to
derail the Mamdani-Plattner
discourse.
Mods, execute all westoid leftcoms.(USER WAS RIPPED APART BY THE ROTTING CORPSE OF BORDIGA)
>>2628853>it's about how you thinkFucking kek. This reminds me of what happened during the fad for
The Secret, when tone-deaf crystal moms would opine on the mental causes of famine, illness, etc.
>>2628852>Because it is far cheaper and more profitable to let foreign powers develop your industry.Sure, Profits the that that nation won’t see.
>>2628863Is your tiny little retarded pea brain thinking that the working class of imperial nations see a portion of their profit instead?
Are you seriously stupid?
>>2628849>Somehow you are making both Vladimir Lenin and Tsar Nicholas II roll in their graves.Just admit it, socialism/communism is just another form of kingdoms/monarchies. Just with buzzwords & extra steps. Dictatorship, no terms, rule for life, successors, retainers/parties members, etc etc. Its one and the same, the different is the Mandate Heaven purpose is to serve the people and the Empire, not just few profiteers scums.
>>2628814China could simply put economic pressure on them.
>>2628854Europe is already backing the US. Every single leader is not doing anything and is actually trying to justify what happened in Venezuela. Europe is weak and nothing but a US commonwealth.
I do three 14-hour shifts a week in the CCTV room, and I spend the entire time reading and posting here. Just gotta have the right mindset for exploiting porkie.
>>2628866You seem like the biggest retard on here.
>>2628863it does see that profit, it just goes to either foreign bourgeois or the local collaborators, ie those who advocate for it most will benefit from it, since they are mostly middle class and upon direct rule from a foreign power, will reap the benefits handsomely of it
>>2628875Okay. You, as a prole, are still fucked. You will not escape your fate. Why even read? Why burden yourself with the knowledge?
>>2628878Leftcoms literally can't stop winning
You multipolar, third-worldists, succdems opportunists just took a huge L with Maduro.
>>2628872I'm embarrassed that I was into a lot of woo in my teens, but when I saw those 40- and 50-something folks buying into it, I found some consolation in that.
>>2628884like 90% chance this a training exercise
>>2628883chavista government: still in power
US government: kidnapped a bus driver so they can blame him for why every cracker in appalachia is a fent zombie
>>2628874>Europe is already backing the US. Every single leader is not doing anything and is actually trying to justify what happened in Venezuela. Europe is weak and nothing but a US commonwealth.Let them try it then, open another front. Hell, war against entire world, if they could. Annex every countries in all American continent. That would show them.
>>2628887If it's any consolation when I was a high schooler there was a period of time where I seriously thought The Spirit Science had some legit secret knowledge. Well not the "Jews are aliens from the future" part of it but I did believe in shit like water memory, sentient crystals, and the pyramids being tens of thousands of years old. The fun stuff.
>>2628883>Leftcoms literally can't stop winningSo when western imperialism wins its considered a leftcom W? I don't get it.
>>2628875> Just gotta have the right mindset for exploiting porkie.ok anon i'm gonna burst your bubble. being able to get that kind of job out of the question for most people, even people inside the imperial core are stuck working jobs where they can't do that. a minority is that lucky. and outside the imperial core? well they're busy mining, logging, fishing, farming, and producing commodities for you. Sorry! It's true! When Marx said "abolish the distinction between town and country" he really meant the distinction between underdeveloped and overdeveloped regions, but did not yet have the "core/periphery" and "1st/3rd world" language we use today.
Man leftcoms post here just to satisfy their psychological urges. Are they honest about it?
>>2628890The Chavista government is going to have to spread its cheeks wide open to American investment or else they will eventually run out of bus drivers.
>>2628896>So when western imperialism wins its considered a leftcom W? I don't get it.just report him for trolling. He already admitted to it earlier and got banned for it once:
>>2628548 >>2628858Bordiga infestation of the modocracy is complete.
>>2628884>guys is this badDas ist gut, swine. You commies and democraps shall turned back into monarchies and kingdoms, in the end. All your systems, philosophies, etc etc were nothing more than extended legacy of feudalism. In fact, you're all gonna like it.
>>2628890tbh the best case scenario might be a combination of great man theory, accelerating news cycles,short attention spans and the Pentagon's aversion to actually fighting ground wars leading to a situation where the spectacle of just kidnapping one guy lets all the war mongering reactoids get their rocks off while Venezuela returns to normalcy. That just wishful thinking though.
>>2628896Why didn't Maduro engage in communism then? Id defend him if that were the case.
>>2628883You are not even a Leftcom lmao
Mods, ban all mods.
>>2628903This is just them being funny. It is just a one day ban i bet. Nothing serious.
>>2628908Debate me bro, 1v1
Guys, we are all fucked you know that right? We cant escape our fate.
>>2628912Word soup, I won't support fascists, religious fundamentalists, nationalists or succdems just because they crossdress as communists
Simple as.
>>2628896Pretty much. They unironically preferred Nazi Germany and hoped for the USSR destruction
why is it considered bad that maduro was a bus driver? is a bus driver not allowed to be head of a state?
>>2628903An anon got a 3 day ban for false-flagging the leftcom flag (he wasnt a leftcom but used the leftcom flag to troll). You'd never see someone get banned for false flagging any other tendency. Leftcommunists are protected species here. The Leftcom flag is a sacred one. They are probs 10% max of the board but they established themselves as a superior caste.
This is a nothing burger. Just Russian imperialist domination replaced by US imperialist domination.
>>2628914>Guys, we are all fucked you know that right? We cant escape our fate.Thus why baptism by fire would liberate our souls and salvation.
>>2628917that argument made by bordiga is not too indifferent from your days multipolariistas, as he argued that if nazi germany and ᴉuᴉlossnW were to successfully destroy british and french imperialism, that it would be progressive as these states would implode in on themselves and give way to a communist revolution
>>2628920they're workerphobic
>>2628787Simple. The media shapes your perception of reality. They will not show you the protests against the kidnapping in Caracas but they will show you expats in argentina and miami celebrating as the "real vuvuzelans". The first stage of political maturity is realizing that most of your thoughts are shaped from the outside. You have to be smart and control who shapes your thoughts and make sure you have tests to see if your thoughts are rooted in reality. If you have to multiply variables beyond observables (martyanov copium for why putin cannot win a stupid war), then you are gaslighting yourself.
>>2628915Which is why you will be confined to coffee shops and bookstores your whole life.
>>2628923What are you talking about?
Day 3 of the "30 Minute Regime Change Operation"
>Regime status: Bolivarian Revolution still in power
>Oil industry status: Still owned by the Venezuelan state
The US has stated their objectives quite clearly several times, but still couldn't achieve any of them. Kidnapping Muhduro did fuck all. Inconsequential PR move.
This is a failure. Saying otherwise is cope.
>>2628872> people really hate it when you ruin their "fun"I'm not the only anon whose been told "ruining the fun" when debunking woowoo?
>>2628915>just because they crossdress as communists???
>>2628898>>Just gotta have the right mindset for exploiting porkie.>ok anon i'm gonna burst your bubble. being able to get that kind of job out of the question for most peopleI know, mate. I got very lucky. Sorry, I should've made it clearer I was still mocking the mindset slop in
>>2628853.
>>2628915It is not up to you. Also, you are not party.
>>2628852curious, I didn't know the curricula in the business management and administration courses in the US and EU changed from: EXPORT ALL FUCKING COSTS TO THE THIRD WORLD BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER to "cheaper and more profitable to let foreign powers develop your industry".
>>2628920It is classism in its purest form. Look at the fact that Lula was working class without a college degree and the amount of people that shit on him as incapable because of that. Maduro being a bus driver is seen as inferior and only for lowly people that should never lead a government.
>>2628925Germany in 1918 imploded but gave way to weimar retardation. Weimar retardation imploded but then gave way to nazism.
The belief that the annihilation of a capitalist power will automatically engender communism is stupidity.
>>2628931what I am worried it's that the next move it's to put boots on the ground.
>>2628925Missing the elephant that he wanted the USSR gone as well to have real communism. Not a multipolar argument
>>2628773>>2628786Porky is scared Trump's coup didn't go nearly deep enough to ensure the PSUV won't simply use foreign investment to re-develop the oil industry and then once again expropriate it in the future, thus calls for de-investing. No appetite for risky Donroe Doctrine yet
>>2628938I don't understand, that last sentence is all that is spewed in latam business schools, all of Latam is heavily dependent on imports of manufactured goods, because developed industry here is basically non-existant.
It can all the traced back to colonialism, all the machines were shipped to the US, not to Latam.
>>2628941> Weimar retardation imploded but then gave way to nazism.And what happened after Nazism imploded? Half of German territory governed by Soviets. So you are wrong.
>>2628938That's how leftcoms 'think'.
>>2628943>Wanted a bourgeois regime to go away to achieve communismAnd the problem is?
>>2628948Nazism did not implode. It was smashed by the USSR.
>>2628945That is why it is bizarre to say the Chavista government soldout. People see this spectacle and not looking at the incompetence of all of this and really believe the US is back
>>2628952This, what imploded was the USSR.
>>2628948Following this and applying it to Bordiga's original argument, what would happen after British and American capitalism imploded? Occupied by Nazi Germany.
Where is the communism in that?
>>2628954I don't think any county involved in ts is gonna come out looking competent or with an unambiguous W
>>2628942>what I am worried it's that the next move it's to put boots on the ground.What are you afraid of? Fourth Reich? If they destined to be 1000 years reign because of their efforts, then they would be. If the world destined to be forever bleak and destroyed, then so be it. Take it or leave it.
>>2628961all according to the invariant dharma of the historic sangh
Bordiga didnt argue that as a party member at that time. There was no party to review that writing and deem it not correct. Bordiga is one man not party.
>muh bordiga
Is dead. Stop puppeting his corpse.
>>2628894I was raised Catholic (not strictly religious parents or anything - just Catholic school primarily), and you know, Christianity being boring as fuck and all, when I stumbled upon some books on spiritualism in the library, with all the talk of seances, materializations, etc., I was floored and couldn't read enough of it. I spent a long time on more esoteric/occult stuff, but by then the skepticism was kicking in, and nothing matched the excitement of that first encounter with spiritualism. Sometimes I envy people who can believe such things lifelong.
>>2628954Also because the chavista gov has nothing Trump would want, that is, there's no quick realizable wins
The Venezuelean working class were not in control of the oil, they Venezuelean people didn't live under a command economy, The Venezuelean regime was and still is controlled by a corrupt, capitalist group that uses PDVSA as their own unlimited money machine. This is a fact to anyone that isn't a fucking retard.
You people want Venezueleans to die to defend this, just because this will satisfy your revenge fantasies against the US.
You should be the ones being banned
>>2628790I'm Chilean and actually speaks spanish and you're DEAD WRONG. Poor people, proletarian people clap and cheer for the U.S and for rightoids all the time. Also anti communism is virulent and rampant, you will think I'm out of my fucking mind but I see more sympathy for socialism and communism coming from americans than from latinos right now. Truth is south america is extraordinarily reactionary, especially argentina.
>>2628787Because the quality of education is ass and we're fed tons of pro U.S propaganda. The result is that people are too retarded to tell that the propaganda they're being fed is bullshit.
>>2628902The mods seemingly love him because he trolls relentlessly pretty much 24/7 and only gets a love tap once in a while whereas if I post attach bunda to a post o' mine I get a 3 day vacation right away.
>>2628986Or maybe I am not braking any rules?
>>2628977This is your cold analysis but will you be able to not succumb to desperation? People are not always rational. Venezuelans will die for this. Some voluntarily, some will be forced by state. You are being moralist imho.
>>2628977>You people want Venezueleans to die to defend thisNo, I want them to purge the opportunists.
>>2628997He is fucked isnt he?
>>2628977You gotta admit this is the perfect opportunity for the "revolution" to grow beyond the PSUV
>>2628956the few wounded they had was apparently from an iglas hitting an helo
"Third-worldists" still poasting about how China *must* defend Venezuela when the only Chinese ally is North Korea. 😂
>>2628978> Poor people, proletarian people clap and cheer for the U.S and for rightoids all the time.Yeah. But it's funny that on TV they only show the rich and small capitalists lmao.
>>2629002There will be no revolution.
>>2629002Spoken like a Catalan nun-killing moron.
>>2629004lmao yeah its kinda pathetic
>>2628978>and we're fed tons of pro U.S propagandaI think firsties don't realize we get the same pro-US CNNslop they get.
>>2628986oldBO we miss you so fucking much
>>2629004and the Wa State
>>2628921I agree there hasn't been one in venezuela, yes.
>>2628995>You don't want thousands to die and be displaced, you don't want the jungle and farmlands to be covered in mines, you don't want DU munitions to wreck havoc on the population?>Wow you are a moralist>>2629002How? The Bolivarians have no support outside Venezuela, they managed the country like shit. China isn't sendibg any help and neither will Russia, if the US wants the oil they will get it. I don't think it is a fight worth fighting.
>>2628946>that last sentence is all that is spewed in latam business schoolswhat? this one: "it is far cheaper and more profitable to let foreign powers develop your industry"? well maybe you didn't get it right or they are intentionally obscuring things because Latin America doesn't have a place to exports costs. foreign capital don't 'develop your industries', they secure your raw materials, leaving a basic blueprint on how to build the industries without giving a serious or advanced training so you can't develop anything anew or competitive. then they export you back the processed materials, but that doesn't mean LatAm doesn't have industries. it means the industries are focused on raw material extraction, and they can be sometimes very technologically advanced.
>>2628978People who are isolated from proletarians can make up all sorts of fantasies about proletarians. They still have not understood what Lenin clearly stated a century ago: the working class by itself cannot do anything more than trade-union bargaining.
They believe in the Bordha's invariant dharma of the historic sangh so much that it broke their brains.
>>2628990Literal projection
>>2628986>>2628921>>2629010No way ziggerpol is crying so much after a lil pushback lmao.
>>2628978"u.s propaganda" was never needed to get latams hating Venezuelan refugees
>>2629017Leftcoms agree with Lenin on that tho
>>2628920Because people idolize college education as if some of the most educated people aren’t simultaneously some of the stupidest on practical matters
>imperialist attack on a socialist leaning country
<immediately the glowie ""left"" start working overtime to discredit the attacked country and covertly support the intervention
<mods approve
gotta admit, the glowing modteam theory is looking real hot right now
>>2629017Leftcoms stress the importance of the party all the time. There is a text by bordiga called fundamentals of communism or something written in 1957. There he keeps repeating how party and state is importand and how party and state take a central place in marxist conception of history. He also says that without party workers are just class in a statistical sense only
>>2629016Latin America does have a place to export costs, they just destroy the poorest areas of their country.
>>2629024Literally irrelevant
>>2629029This is just a course of history foreseen by leftcoms. They wont do anything about this particular situation. Their party is weak there anyway
>>2629022Creating the refugee crisis in the first place is part of the manufacturing consent process.
>>2629037You talk as if they are masters of history. Might as well give up all hope.
>>2629003>>2629033So they suck basically and did not expect an invasion. I understand 1 person making mistakes, but an entire army?
>>2629041Like it or not they're still the most powerful country in the world and they do what the fuck they want. Sure, that power is waning but it's still there.
>>2629029they are too busy protecting burger feelings
>>2629037and yet latams want nothing more for america to invade and create more refugees. something aint adding up here
>>2629043Army is a tool of ruling class party.
>>2629029>>2629045I"m still not supporting succdem opportunists, sorry!
>>2629043Wdym they didnt expect invasion? What was all that mobilisation for? Are you insinuating that Venezuelan government deployed troops for other reasons while using imminent invasion as an excuse while not really believing that it will happen?
>>2629049Anons care not about your support.
>>2629032>Literally irrelevant>nooooooo you can't show me infographics showing me I am wrong because I'll called irrelevant noooooprove the 'oil' doesn't belong to the workers, the population in general.
fucking bloomberg in 2022 posted an article where chevron was lobbying inside Venezuela on US behalf to get rid off the 'hydrocarbons law' passed by Chavez, where only that way, the western oil companies can work without the problem of sanctions, because they would be entities aside the sanctioned Venezuelan government.
sincerely, learn and shut up.
>>2629054>Most of them are too stupid to think of thatfinally, the real reason
>>2629046 see
>>2629009its because they think Maduro is the one that created the refugee crisis
after the US bombed Venezuela and kidnapped Maduro local news channels here were airing short documentaries about Maduro's past as a "coup plotter" lol
>>2629049What your support amounts to? You are too self agrandizing for a materialist. In the end you are but a dust. You got lucky that party propaganda was able to reach you. Your views are not yours.
>>2629020You forgot to put your name, Moffin'
>>2629051I'm saying they don't know how to fight and everything was theater
>>2629058who will latams start blaming when america plunges venezuela into the abyss and another quarter of the population leaves?
>>2629061What do you mean by that? That their high command is incompetent?
>>2629053You never proved me wrong, oil doesn't belong to the workers because the Venezuelean people surely do not enjoy to live in poverty while PDVSA produced less and less oil every year, specially under Maduro.
Are you going to imply people in Venezuela do not live in poverty?
>>2629063communism o algo
>>2629059Weird, you seem very upset that I don't.
>>2629071Whatever man. Your knowledge wont save you from you terrible fate.
>>2629068lift up the sanctions glowie
Ignore the infantile anon, please. If this was a real website, we'd have banned him. But this is an imageboard. We can only move on.
>>2629072Workers are not conscious
anyways:
Activist in Grand Rapids MI arrested mid-interview about their opposition to war in Venezuela https://xcancel.com/_carlbeijer/status/2008229637332074725#mThey just straight up arrested her for bullshit obviously because she was speaking out.
>>2629072Damn, LatAms are just like us fr fr…
>>2629075Are you implying OPEC gives a shit about sanctions?
>>2629068Almost like Obama and later administration hit Venezuela with even more sanctions after 2013 to strangle it and cause a crisis
>>2629082you are crying about venezuelans being poor and you are using maduro as a scapegoat, you literally glow
>>2629080Why did she do this?
>>2629068>produced less and less oil every yearholly fuck you are retarded. here, that shows you how the sanctions affected production. your picture doesn't capture that those exports were agree under the OPEC production agreements, and only fell below the OPEC request after the sanctions.
>do not enjoy to live in povertythe fuck you talking about? Under Chavez all UN Millennium Development Goals were achieved.
>Extreme poverty was reported to fall from around 29.8% in 2003 to 9.4% by 2007.>Overall poverty reportedly fell significantly in the 2000s compared with the 1990s.>The Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) recognized Venezuela as one of 18 countries that achieved exceptional progress in reducing malnutrition (hunger), having more than halved the prevalence of undernourishment compared to 1990–1992 levels by 2010–2012https://www.greenleft.org.au/2013/970/world/venezuela-un-notes-huge-progress-against-malnutritionand
>UNESCO declared Venezuela “free of illiteracy” in 2005, and participation in education increased markedly in the 2000again, stfu.
>>2629082Hey, you're a faggot. Please kill yourself. I can't stop you from posting, but I can tell you just how fucking annoying you are. No one likes you, Lenin wrote an entire book about you. You're somehow worse than an anarchist. You're a useless piece of shit. Fuck off.
>>2629082Are you having fun at least?
>>2629085>>2629088The US itself knows multiple companies evaded sanctions, just accept they were too stupid to send most of their oil to China instead.
>>2629091>fascismIt is not.
>>2629095Sanctions wont stop porkies from trading. USA was buying russian timber through china
>>2629096define fascism and explain why the trump regime shouldnt be considered fascist
>>2629095Also, if the UN report were true, Venezuela wouldn't have a human crisis resulting in millions of migrants, I don't trust that the Chavista and the Maduro regime sent reliable data to the UN
Simple as.
>>2629098Thanks for proving me right.
>>2628428Classic idealist morality getting in the way of materialist analysis. Kamala, Hilary, and Trump are all committed to the imperialist project, therefore they're all the same. No attention to the degrees and nuance - and degrees and nuance matter. A small percentage of a very large number is significant in and of itself. Of course, Hillary pushed for a no fly zone within the Obama admin and was the single most responsible figure for Gadaffi's overthrow, but look at the context - there was an ongoing civil war and an opportunity for America to change the outcome. That's not the same as Hillary spearheading an operation to kidnap Gaddafi indepdent of an ongoing opportunity. If we're looking at it from a moral standpoint there's little to distinguish it from Trump's action, but if we consider it materially there's a world of difference between unilateral action to coup a foreign leadership, and using a preexisting crisis to achieve the same ends. The democrats favour imperialism with a pretence of legality, whereas Trump is a mad dog who doesn't care about even pretending to abide by international law. It's a very fine margin between them, but ultimately, a commitment to imperialism with (a pretence of) a human face will cause significantly less damage than one completely unrestrained by international opinion. If the Dems had won in 2000, the Iraq war probably wouldn't have happened, and if they had won in 2024, Maduro probably wouldn't be languishing in a Yankee prison awaiting a show trial. Again, back to the numbers - 98% imperialism is significantly smaller than 100% imperialism under Trump or Bush Jr. Only if we think moralistically can we fail to spot this difference.
>>2629103Are you arguing for commies getting involved in elections to change foreign politics of a state they live in?
>>2628977You have to realize to the vast majority of Western "Socialists" they are just edgy oikophobic self-hating Americucks who want to see America humiliated once in their life. They don't give a single fucking shit about actual Socialism or "Multipolarity" because they're driven by a teenage seething of their shitty boring suburban lives and hatred of "cultureless" America.
Venezuela did far more harm to Socialism than good in pretty much every aspect beyond giving free oil to Cuba. The PSUV are a shitty ultra-corrupt Succdem gangster Government that hold power through rigging elections, brutal attacks against protestors, Trade unions, opposition etc they drove the entire fucking economy into the ground, Maduro may actually be the dumbest fucking world leader of the 21st century. I mean, they literally rigged the last election by 40%, everyone with eyes knows that, in no fucking universe did Maduro win the last election, the PSUV has a 20% approval rating with even former PSUV supporters.
Venezuela is a corrupt fucking gangster organized crime controlled fucking shithole, and purely, simply because it's run by corrupt succdems who put a middle finger symbolically to the US, they get cocksucked to oblivion here, mean while these same fucking hypocrits shit all over Western Succdem countries that do the same thing. Why not suck the dick of Denmark? They've been telling Trump and the US to go fuck themselves and actually run a SUCCESSFUL succdem country?
It's the same with multi-polarity, if people here gave a single fucking shit about actual multipolarity they would be pushing for EU independence from the US. That would be the single biggest blow to Western Imperialism. But because part of the seething is nothing but edgy anti-Western campism, they fucking despise the idea of the EU actually pulling away and succeeding on it's own, even though it's been shown time and time again the EU has no problem siding with China on many issues.
What happened to Maduro is clearly ridiculously illegal and is clearly kidnapping, but people here aren't really driven for a love of Venezuela, just an edgy self-hatred of the US/West.
Actually find Venezuelans who are upset about this, even the COMMUNIST ones I know on Revleft and other subs basically are saying "Yeah it sucks the US violated us, but fuck Chavistas and fuck Maduro".
>>2629110>Venezuela did far more harm to Socialism than good in pretty much every aspect glowie detected
>>2629066Yes and also middle command (colonels, majors).
>>2629065Somebody should have tried overwhelming the jammers with iglas. They had 5000 of them. Did the pentagon use AI powered satellites to track every chavista with a Manpad?
>>2629114Because you said so
>>2629110>You have to realize to the vast majority of Western "Socialists" they are just edgy oikophobic self-hating Americucks who want to see America humiliated once in their life. They don't give a single fucking shit about actual Socialism or "Multipolarity" because they're driven by a teenage seething of their shitty boring suburban lives and hatred of "cultureless" America. Ultrabased. I think you are on the wrong board chinabro.
>>2629116How were they incompetent?
>>2629110Thermonvclear trvke
>>2629110Sincereposting huh?
>>2629100The people in this thread are on absolute delusional levels of copium, they don't even know how the Venezuelan economy worked, they have no idea what missing trader/carousel fraud is, they have no explanation for why PSUV politicians/Maduro have BILLIONS of dollars in their personal bank accounts. Maduro was literally willing to sell out Venezuela if he got to keep his "assets" lmao.
These people even believe that there was no betrayal of Maduro, that Delcy is acting in pure good faith when even Breaking Points is reporting he was sold out by Delcy and his inner circle and basically every report of the operation from the US has confirmed he was largely sold out by "US assets" around him personally.
Pure fucking copium over a fucking F-Tier Succdem Government. It's genuinely wild to watch.
>>2629110>Western Succdem countries that do the same thingCan you please name an example of this? Denmark is pissing its pants right now and so is europe. No western succdem country has balls to challenge US. The fucking houthis have x10 the bawls of any WESTERN SUCCDEM.
>>2629110Fair points.
Sincere question: do you have any resources I can read for further understanding the specifics of the PSUV, how they work, why Maduro isn't really seen as the most competent, etc?
I know that Vuvuzela has been a clusterfuck for a while now, and I imagine it can't only be the fault of the USA lmao
>>2629110I am Venezuelan, stupid bitch, and you are describing me as if I were "Western "Socialists" they are just edgy oikophobic self-hating Americucks who want to see America humiliated once in their life"
>>2629110I will refrain from screencapping this bullshit for it will give my whole county stage 4 rectal brain cancer.
>>2629110So this is how you get a lot of (you)s huh?
>>2629127no it's a legitimate thing to criticize the PSUV and maduro especially since Chavez died. Compare the stability of fucking
Cuba to Venezuela and you should see that… maybe they're bad at this and a better group could have led this whole revolution thing.
>>2629130Say something in venezuelan then, prove it
>>2629110> oikophobicStopped reading.
Fake disorder coined by a reactionary gave it away
>>2629124plenty of people here think delcy sold him out and that maduro indeed sucks, dummy
people just shit on you because you frame everything in a way that leaves american sabotage out of the picture and end up justifying it
>>2629120They didn't fight back in any meaningful way. Sure the security detail got mowed down, but nobody destroyed the helis when they were moving to the base. You would think they were going to have teams of manpads on shifts sneakily placed at good lines of sight. Too much theater and posing for social media. Heck if I was maduro I would go sleep incognito at someone's house, is that really so hard (or even a sewer). Put a scuba suit and go into a sewer or well or some shit and sleep there. And don't tell anybody.
>>2629135>venezuelanOof, langley truly not sending their best.
How do we get nukes to Cuba?
>>2629139But they gave rifles to obese abuelas, they really tried to stop the US!!
speak a lil venezuelan for em derek!
>>2629138would it be possible to have the stance that american sabotage is significant, but that many other regimes were able to withstand that pressure with far more competency? Or am I completely wrong here. Honestly I'm just looking for sources and writings and shit. I know it's controversial, but still. I think it's pretty obvious to say that Chavez was way better than maduro by a long shot.
>>2629129https://venezuelanalysis.com/Chavista website, but very self-critical of the PSUV
>>2629140You could have typed something in venezuelan but you didnt, therefore you are lying.
>>2629141They should just lie and say they have nukes until they actually have nukes
>>2629134>no it's a legitimate thing to criticize the PSUV and maduro especially since Chavez diedSure but these people only show up when these countries are under attack to try and justify why we shouldn't care about imperialism. The correct postion is this
>>2628912 >>2629145thats what most people think
>>2629146ok but that website always defends the bolivarian revolution usually. Do you have any specific articles that would give me more detail? There's a lot of shit to wade through there.
>>2629110Still this is at least a sensible take. Haz for example went on a 20 minute tirade how anybody who wants to take over venezuela is actually a pedo because if you want to oppress others you are a pedo because god gave you freedom and if you take that away you are a pedo. He even told his followers to go call Matt Walsh and Nick Fuentes pedos. Kinda wild how Haz is so out of touch with everything. (For retards who need explaining: Magafags are pedos already so calling them that is like calling 4chan nazis. yes they are proud of it)
>>2628912TIL Stalin would have supported Ukraine against Russia
>>2629154Let's open this can of worms as well: Ukraine is also a victim of Russian and western imperialism. Russia is not a based epic anti-imperialist.
guys trust the plan bob avakian is planning the next 9/11 at this moment
>>2629157
Based.
>>2629157
Mods, permaban this dumbfuck and delete all his messages.
>>2629110Ah oikophobic Chinese Briton is back
Why do you love the work oikophobic so much
You always use it
>>2629149agreed that is the correct position. Critical support for whatever retard may be in charge of venezuela. Leftcoms seethe but stalin is eternal
>>2629157
>stfu leftcom glowies/radlibs kys
ME ARRODILLO
Anyone mind if a white boy speaks a little Venezuelan tonight?
Can Venezuela get some air defence maybe.
>>2629161Andres will permaban your mother's pussy
>>2629147Not the same anon. And you mean spanish. But hey if you want some Vuvuzelan here you go:
Guarimba >>2629157
One of my coworkers at my last job was a venezuelan who loved america. He was an asshole and sexpest and I hated working with him.
What would you say to gusanos like him at a time like this?
Also what are your current thoughts if you feel like you can safely share them? you can switch to glownonymous if you feel like it's necessary
17 (you)s. I never got that much.
>>2629169Abuela will sit on your mother till she runs out of oxygen and dies
>>2629149> Sure but these people only show up when these countries are under attack to try and justify why we shouldn't care about imperialism.This
Mods need an addendum to rule 14 about this shit specifically.
>>2629176Just call out American imperialism and you will get infinite seething chauvinist (you)s
>>2629174Venezuelans are not spanish. It is a different country.
>>2629168>article from 2016>article from 2014uhhhhh? I mean I'll read them but… you have nothing else?
>>2629180No. He didnt call out american imperialism. It doesnt get much (you)s
>>2629181And americans don't speak english. My god I was arguing with ChatGPT the whole time.
Venezuela was a reactionary state. And nothing really changed.
Bestial yanks who cannot even maintain a mid Succdem force in their shitty land have the gall to criticise the stability of countries that they bully and opine that maybe 'a better group should lead'.
>>2629185Americans are settlers. Venezuelans are native
>>2629140>he doesn't know venezuelan.Not everyone can speak amerikkkan, ignorant yankee.
>>2629182>>2629168Ok first article kind of makes sense. It really is annoying that they're this incompetent with things like this.
>Reality is comparably boring. To be sure, socialism has gone a long way towards shaping today’s Venezuela, and the US government would no doubt delight in seeing one of its few regional rivals collapse. Yet in reality, Venezuela’s current economic crisis can mostly be chalked up to one of life’s most dreary technicalities: bad currency management.But not caring about managing currency in a global liberal system seems like they aren't being pragmatic enough… refusing to use a more chinese model of authoritarian controls and instead maybe they're relying on a magical utopianist model of communes? I'll continue to read but it feels like chavismo may suffer from being… leftcoms lmao
>>2629189I'm criticizing them for not being chinese enough. I think chavismo may be ironically enough, stubborn Actually Existing left-communism lmao.
>>2629194What even is a leftcom to you?
>>2629189correct as always
>>2629189Tiny amount of (you)s
>>2629175>What would you say to gusanos like him at a time like this? honestly, I don't spend time, and I wouldn't be spending time arguing with them. maybe, 'don't get mad, don't complain, don't ask for help when the violence you support from the US government does to others comes back to bite you'. and even so, because you don't know what weird syllogism they will come up with, I would simply move on, and if they get angry or violent because you don't sympathize with them, push them back. it's all cognitive dissonance with them.
>>2629110This is probably bait but fuck it
>oikophobic cringe
>They don't give a single fucking shit about actual SocialismYour ultra-specific brand is of course the one true socialism
>Venezuela did far more harm to Socialism than good in pretty much every aspect beyond giving free oil to Cubayou're right anon we should all just give up and go home
>muh rigging>muh corruption>muh economyThe glow is blinding
>Venezuela is a corrupt fucking gangster organized crime controlled fucking shitholeJesus fucking christ, maybe you're not alphabet soup, maybe you're actually this fucking stupid.
>pushing for EU independence from the USYou dense motherfucker. EU is neolib central.
>aren't really driven for a love of VenezuelaBecause that's what anti-imperialism is you fucking stupid child
>Actually find Venezuelans who are upset about thisYour Gusano friends will hang
>even the COMMUNIST ones I know on Revleft and other subsTake your shit takes back to reddit.
>>2629197Well I'm mostly spitballing here so bear with me. But why the FUCK did venezuela maintain liberal electoralism as a supposedly communist government?? lmfao
>As a caretaker, Maduro wasn’t about to mess with the currency controls. When Chavez died in March 2013, the government was again thrust into election mode. Although Maduro won snap presidential elections in 2013, it was by a narrow margin of just 1.5 percent of the vote.Like dude… the Chinese and Soviet leninist model was
right there and it works why the fuck would you go for this weird custom hybrid clusterfuck?
>>2629110Lmao this made people here mad
>>2629208Ussr had elections
19 (you)s. What was the most amount of (you)s you have ever seen?
>>2629208For the same reason Nazi Amerika still bothers with liberal electoralism
>>2629208Doesnt china have elections?
>>2629214And that would be what?
>>2629211obviously and so does china and vietnam, but not in the same way where the fucking paramount leadership has to
campaign against counter-revolutionaries like a fucking burger-american going on public television to win a popular vote.
>>2629210because it's fucking moronic.
>>2629218Why would counter revolutionaries be allowed to participate?
>>2629213Around 50, it was the post of charlie kirk getting shot.
Sad chagos, noone wants to play with him. So sad
>>2629218Like… if you're going to have a revolution.. you need to
DO it. You need to go full hog and have an actual communist party at the helm holding the gun, or you are
fuuuuucked >>2629226So blame chavez then.
>>2629228I'd rather blame the USA
>>2629224Other than that?
>>2629228I mean honestly at this point… yeah? I understand that Latam wanted to try their own thing out, you know… "socialism with hispanic characteristics" or whatever but… Idk man stick to the fucking script please lmao
>>2629230Right. Blame the enemy. Duh
>>2629234>>2629230I mean at some point you have to accept the enemy as a given. When you have the choice about what moves to make, and you consistently eat shit while other entities in your same position do way better, maybe it's your fault for not handling it.
>>2629088>Guys our stupid "Socialism in one country" model doesn't work, because lol sanctions, what should we do?>Idk just double down lolYou people are beyond idiotic.
Chavez was depicted as hot tanned big booba anime girl here and now you disrespect? Mods, permaban all chavez slanderers, they are slandering leftypol waifu.
>>2629237>>2629228Who do you blame for the USA being imperialist?
>>2629204Idc about this fucking retard or any of his retard friends, kys
>>2629231There was a dude a while back claiming to be a fed that had inside knowledge that hinkle was a CIA agent. Got like 30 yous. However some details were off, like haz's real name was wrong, also claimed he was a maronite, which is even funnier bullshit. Other than that no.
>>2629240Right. We should expect USA to change, duh
>>2629238Socialism in one country is idiotic. We need everything everywhere immediately. If that is not possible, then we must sit with nothing. You are so smart.
>>2629163Because it best describes the left as I see it. My thesis for quite some time is that the current left is functionally the modern iteration of Punk/Scene, just with a political guise to make being a outsider self-hating loser actually the "morally superior" position.
Most Leftists I argue with, do not seriously care about Socialism, they do not care about seizing power, they do not care about playing politics, it's all just spewing hatred at West/America/White people under a guise of "anti-imperialism" while acting as cringe punks and "player hating" at anybody who actually tries to engage in politics seriously by playing the game.
Anti-Imperialism is a meme. It has no real purpose because you cannot be an Anti-Imperialist unless you hold real political power. We should have all learned this lesson back in the Iraq War period, but because to most people, being MORALLY superior and counter-culture is more important than trying to gain political power, then throwing pragmatism and optics under the rug for playing "anti-imperialist" and simping for every terrible asshole in the world, even if it makes Socialists look fucking insane to the average person, is what most "Socialists" do.
If people were serious about multipolarity and anti-imperialism, they would be trying to split up the Atlanticist Western bloc, this is why I actually when talking to Europeans, push for European independence from the US, because breaking up the Liberals into competing blocs, gives us Socialists more space to actually be a serious political force rather than Atlanticist Neoliberalism being the cultural dominating position. Also frankly, a Europe independent of the US is probably going to play nicer with Russia and China. If an EU army existed and Europe wasn't pathetically cucked by US domination, does anyone believe that Europe would have taken Nordstream 2 lying down? No. I doubt the Ukraine war even would have happened
Does this occur to most Socialists though? No, because they don't think tactically, they don't understand multipolarity beyond "US/West bad/Anti-West good" most couldn't even answer how Multipolarity even helps Socialism.
The weak link in terms of US imperialism is Europe. Even Brzezinski admits this in the Grand Chessboard, without Europe, the US cannot be the power it is, and the ideological dominance of Atlanticist Liberalism is broken.
China/Russia needs to station some nukes on Cuba, like as of yesterday.
If they can't even do that then they're basically endorsing Trump's Monroe doctrine and total imperialist conquest of the Western Hemisphere.
<B-b-but muh Cuban missile crisis!!!!!!
Shut the fuck up
>>2629240At some point you can't blame anyone, because imperialism becomes a force of nature with NPCs at the helm. What you have to do is follow the script for what
has been proven to work (china/cuba/vietnam) and do that. If you try to improvise too much, your fucking leadership gets kidnapped lmao
>>2629244Okay, what was the most succesful ragebait youve seen?
>>2629245How does the USA change? Why will it change? Who will drive the change? When will the change be noticeable?
>>2629252he was being sarcastic dumbass
>>2629243China allowed foreign investment, something the Venezuelean government could have tried and just tax the shit out of foreign corps.
>>2629249>cant blame anyone>imperialism becomes a force of natureYou fucking animals will do anything do absolve yourselves of any historic responsibility
>>2629246Evidence is against you.
>>2629238That's why sensible socialists would want to see America defeated anywhere and everywhere and lose its power to impose itself and its sanctions on other countries. Only American defeat and loss of power would ever make socialism possible. This is also why "anti-campists" and leftlibcoms are counterproductive and the enemy of socialism. delusional idealism won't ever result in socialism. American imperial collapse could,
>>2629248Superpowers signed an agreement to scrap their mid range nukes because they are dangerous
>>2629254That makes my reply even more pertinent
>>2629255You are arguing in chinese models favour
>>2629258Soc in one country is a proven failure you maintain
What about soc in all countries immediately? Wheres the evidence for that? Shame big bad stalin did not press the world communism button huh
>>2629259Are you implying that a similar economic bloc wouldn't do the same?
Sad chagos is so sad. Everyone ignores you.
>>2629257You are such a fucking retard lmao. Blame does nothing but distract.
Here is some marx for you to read, literally one of the first things he says in the beginning of Capital:
>But here individuals are dealt with only in so far as they are the personifications of economic categories, embodiments of particular class-relations and class-interests. My standpoint, from which the evolution of the economic formation of society is viewed as a process of natural history, can less than any other make the individual responsible for relations whose creature he socially remains, however much he may subjectively raise himself above them. >>2629266>Why hasn't the future happened already!These are the people calling me infantile.
>>2629263China is just the most "succesful" one
Okay chagos you got one (you)
>>2629272>Only america can engage in imperialismBeyond fucking retarded
>>2629270hold on hold on… what is your actual position? What do you specifically believe is the best path towards socialism as a predominant mode of production? What theory can you quote for this?
>>2629251Good Ragebait tends to get banned pretty quick at which point nobody really cares. You reply to ragebait hoping to get a (you) yourself. Maybe the last time there was good ragebait was in the ukr thread? Maybe something bordiga related in /isg/? Hard to tell. 7 replies tops. Nothing like what we saw today.
>>2629273And why is that do you think?
>>2629275I can see the future thanks to the
D I A M A T
>>2629260Trump repealed that treaty in 2019. It's quite possible the USA, Russia, China have since redeveloped and deployed such systems.
>>2629267there is no similar economic bloc. russia or china would not, we can tell that already from their allies and china's ruling ideology. it requires a rabidly anti-communist global hegemon. there is no other country or bloc like that but America. (Europe doesn't count because its power today comes from US alliance and couldn't sustain any kind of global hegemony on its own.)
>>2629280>another retard thinks diamat is hard linear determinism Which date is that world revolution happening then?
>>2629277A party that uses either revolutionary action or democracy to further improve the conditions of the working class, you can't follow the same recipe everywhere.
>>2629281Oh man, this history is irredeemable. What will leftcom flag say to that? Are leftcoms afraid of nukes?
>>2629247>PRC flag>Anti-Imperialism is a meme.anti-imperialism was one of the key elements of the movement that created the nation you dickride now
>>2629269Its not about blame
Its about when will american 'leftists' attack their imperialist machine ?
Why judge the resistance of others when you do not strike at the eye of sauron at home?
>>2629259US needs to be defeated, but relying on these absolute SHIT TIER countries won't do it. Venezuela sucks, Cuba is a nice country but meaningless, Iran has to be controlled opposition at this point I swear.
The biggest weak link for American dominance is Europe. If European leaders grow a spine and decouple from the US, along with Australia. The US is fucked.
Every time I talk to Europeans "we need an EU army", "The US is not a real ally, it views Europe as an vassal and cannot let Europe truly succeed", "The US cannot be trusted, they put US always first". These are all true, and they are arguments that actually work at this point.
Break up Atlanticism, you also break Liberalism into competing camps, this allows us Socialists FINALLY to have some wiggle room.
Also just look at the spread of the Global Economy, for Socialism to truly take place, either Europe or the US needs to become Socialist, and I'll place my money on Europe before the US at this point. I could see actual Socialists coming to power in France/UK in my lifetime if the right cards were played.
>>2629282>Yuorp, the entire reason why the US exist, wouldn't engage in imperialismRussia would, China probably would.
>>2629284ok but like more please. You need to contextualize how what you just said relates to all the other shitflinging you're doing.
>>2629279Size, geography and population
>>2629292How? The Bolivarian system clearly does not work. It resulted in a soft coup
>>2629293Hm, so they are the favoured children of the sky.
>>2629229>The won't let Maduro talk in lengthClassic fascist cowardice.
Where are you chagos boy?
>>2629287I mean Western Left "Anti-Imperialism" pissing and shitting always about the US/White people then sitting back and seething at shithole corrupt thirdies getting BTFO'ed.
Arguably the only victory the Western Left has ever had with "Anti-Imperialism" is Vietnam, and that's more to do with the shock the general public had at the time for the first time of seeing what real war looked like on their TV. People are way more desensitized now. The entire public just watched the genocide of Gaza and beyond frankly, one small direct action group, shrugged.
>>2629289Because it would be suicide, retard. We don't just blow shit up because it would achieve literally nothing AND we would die and leave our families alone without us lmao. That's literally the whole point of the quote.
NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE MAY SUBJECTIVELY RAISE HIMSELF ABOVE ITYou can't just lone wolf everything, especially not in the belly of the beast. It's a fucking miracle I haven't been arrested for posting on this website, even
>>2629283In 2 more weeks, obviously.
>>2629301>lone wolfWho spoke of individual acts? Why is the american proletariat in all of this?
>>2629229Any serious defence lawyer would shred this case. Hell if this wasn't rigged, I bet a Paralegal could get this case thrown out.
It's going to be interesting to see what a farce show trial this really is going to be.
>>2629290>relyingYou think people who don't come here to shit on Maduro 24/7 are under the ilusion that Venezuela can somehow destroy the american empire?
>US needs to be defeatedVenezuela lossing means the US gets stronger.
>>2629301Ignore him please.
>>2629297In a way, yes, they managed to survive the age of colonialism and the XXth century as a singular bloc, Somethong Latam couldn't do.
>>2629296ok yes that's fine, but you as a leftcom refuse to actually name anything POSITIVE to replace it. I, as an actually not retarded Leninist/dengist pragmatist say "hey maybe venezuela should have done democratic centralism instead like china/cuba/vietnam"
but instead, because you're such a cool slipper smirking armchair leftcom you're just criticizing vaguely, leaving everyone pissed off because it wouldn't be very bordigist of you to… actually commit to a stance.
>>2629300Then say the western left is a meme not anti-imperialism.
>>2629309Maybe they will achieve communism.
>>2629301You are too comfortable to ever do anything to disturb the system. Unconditional support to hurricanes and fentanyl
>>2629311Sure. There is no western left. Now what? What is to be done?
>>2629312Maybe, who knows. Only history will tell.
>>2629291>hypotheticope. Russia and China are not even anti-communist. They are allied with socialists and don't sanction anyone for being socialist. There's only one country/bloc that does that. Morever, Russia and China have neither shown the willingness nor the capability to be global hegemons. You give the actual bloodsoaked enemy in your face a pass because the other guys might supposedly and implausibly become like it at some unspecified time in the future.
As said, you guys are delusional and enemies of socialism.
>>2629315You conceded the possibility.
>>2629304every single possible organ that a vanguard could possibly use in the USA to rally the proletariat and command them has been captured by the single most anti-communist superstructure in history. Without the machinery to centralize direction of the proletariat, there is no actions to be made. Unless you're an anarchist with magical thinking, what I said should make perfect sense to you.
Anti-American bigotry is revolutionary.
>>2629315>oooo who knows I sure don't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯WOW YOU'RE SUCH A DEEP THINKER THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT
>>2629318They were easy to capture becauee 95% of Americans were hostile if not indifferent to them.
As if other countries' ruling classes rolled the red carpet for the revolutionary vanguard to flourish.
>>2629317There's the possibility that every country becomes communist, yes, that's the desired outcome, even.
>>2629290Do you think anyone here is under the illusion that Venezuela could defeat the US in a straight fight? They'd go down swinging at best.
>If European leaders grow a spineEuro leaders are neolibs, crypto-fash and technocrats. Keep dreaming.
> for Socialism to truly take place, either Europe or the US needs to become SocialistNo shit
>and I'll place my money on Europe before the US at this pointThe Europe which is embracing fascism with open arms?
> I could see actual Socialists coming to power in France/UK in my lifetime if the right cards were played.Are you shitting me? There is no meaningful leftist presence in the UK. The closest thing we have is a couple of protest groups and the fucking greens.
>>2629323this is the dumbest fucking take lmao. You really are a retard
>>2629316Multipolaricope, China hates Vietnam who is a socialist country supported by the US, Also China sanctioned north Korea with Russia
>>2629321Who are you talking to.
>>2629314Cry about Maduro bad while the US bombs venezuelans and funds the Gaza genocide I guess, thats true communism according to the leftcom and china simp here.
>>2629306Yes, but even if Venezuela "won" like it has for the past 20 years has that at all stopped US dominance? No. The Pink Tide was a flop and ended in deep reaction due to pretty much every Pink Tide Government beyond Lula being beyond shit tier.
If a country isn't G20, it basically isn't useful in terms of Socialism. US also gets most of it's power from domination of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Australia.
The domino falling into Independent that will cause the most US damage will be Europe. Imagine Europe becomes independent, then China takes Taiwan, that cuts the US off from modern chips entirely. US with no ASML/TSMC is F U C K E D.
>>2629325No, sorry, i meant the possibility of CPC achieving communism in china with its program and such.
>>2629323this line of speaking is so fucking stupid. You're obsessed with blame. Your logic requires blaming the slaves for slavery
>>2629327Facts arr facts
The numbers relative to rhe population have always been negligible
The amerikan working volk's nonchalance makes the work of the NSA, CIA, FBI very easyb
>>2629331Well, i was asking what the rest of the world will do. There is no western left. What will the rest of the world do now?
>>2629332You continue to cream yourself at the thought of an independent Europe, and it keeps being a pipe dream.
>>2629334You could just ignore him.
ok you people are fucking dipshit/trolls. I hate this fucking place so much
>>2629321anti-communist and not-communist aren't the same thing. If they were anti-communist like America is they'd be trying to sanction or attack China and DPRK and Venezuela, not befriend them. And they'd be banning socialism and communism like Ukraine does.
>>2629325>(but they have to all do it at exactly the same time, or else it can't work and we should denounce the the ones that try and justify imperialist assault on them). >>2629332Why would Europe turn against the USA?
>>2629334Slaves would be to blame if there were no slave rebellions. But there were.
Where are the Amerikan prole rebellion attempts? If not an insurrection, why not even a vanilla succdem DNC? Like in europe, latam, much of asia? Why is the DNC well to the right of most of the big parties of these continents?
>>2629343Because he's a delusional shitposter.
You will ignore him right?
>>2629326European population is far more open to Socialism.
UK almost elected Corbyn in 2017 who isn't fully Socialist, but it's a big step in the right direction, France also has a massive popular Socialist bloc.
That's why I also said "plays the right cards", I could see 40%+ support for Socialism in the UK/France and several other major European countries IF you had the right political figures, messaging, political strategists and party, and with in fairness, a lot of luck.
The rise of Reactionary Right in Europe is actually a good indicator, because it shows the Working class are pissed, it's just the left have done a terrible job of taking control of the situation because Idpol has done a number on the job of the Left actually moving tactically. (Non-Open borders, Leftists won't vote for you but normies will, not enough to win though, Open borders, Leftists will vote for you but normies won't, not enough to win)
The orgy is over. Everyone is satisfied and now lost interest.
>>2629346Because even libs grasp that the DNC is run by porkies.
>>2629345Pedophile patriots are in control!
>>2629336I don't know.
>>2629332Ok? How does crying Maduro bad here help making G20 countries uncuck themselves from the US?
>>2629353And the other succdem parties in the other coutnries are not run by porkies?
You keep going in circles, at some point you have to recognise the impotence and indifference of the american prole because he has it GOOD
>>2629350forgot text:
>WH sources say Venezuela's opposition leader committed the "ultimate sin": She accepted the Nobel Peace Prize>If she had turned it down and said, "I can't accept it because it's Donald Trump's," she'd be the president of Venezuela today," one said.LMFAO
>>2629351>European population is far more open to Socialism.hahaha
>>2629355So no propositions, just dickriding and protecting maduro
>>2629348Stop being a smartass and try to answer this:
>>2629346 >>2629351>European population is far more open to Socialism.<polish communists go straight to jailabsolute comedy
>>2629350God bless the crazy demon lady. Trump is such a baby batshit narcissist it's truly amazing. Everything in this world is like a game with nerfs and buffs.
Putin:
>Good manager<Cucks outTrump:
>Ultra willpower<Insecure narcissistXi:
>Master at everything<Away from Keyboard >>2629357What other countries?
>>2629364Xi:
>Master at everything<Away from KeyboardLMFAO dude that's perfect
>>2629356Now i want trump to attack Greenland.
Salivating, even.
>>2629362I wont. You already know the answer. Why are you asking something you already know?
>>2629365Most of latam, europe, asia have vanilla succdem parties which represent atleast 20% of the country
>>2629368I dont know. Thats why im asking.
These threads are really active
>>2629351>European population is far more open to Socialism.Is this a bit? What timeline are you from? Clearly not the one where BROWN MAN BAD is the prevailing sentiment in Europe.
>big step in the right directionAnd now is setting up to elect Farage, who is fash in all but name.
>I could see 40%+ support for Socialism in the UK/France and several other major European countries IF you had the right political figuresGreat man theory. Fantastic. You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
>>2629371SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>2629369Phew, for a momemt i thought you included China there.
>>2629351>European population is far more open to Socialism.Literal reactionary clown
>>2629370Read a book. Get a job. Then ask yourself why you dont strike.
>>2629374China is in Asia you fucking retard
Maduro was sold out clearly. Cuba is toast. Socialism is over orz
We must embrace revolutionary nihillism.
>>2629369the USA doesn't have a parliament dumbass, the constitution is 250 years old trash. If the USA were so lucky to have a structure like France we'd have the exact same shit as the countries you say are "better"
>>2629378What? China is socdem?
>>2629377No answer from the eternal self-deluder
>>2629372>BROWN MAN BAD is the prevailing sentiment in Europe.If it really was the ruling class wouldn't need to absolutely bombard euroids with racist propaganda every hour of the day.
>>2629361>nooooo you dont get it you HAVE to shit on the enemies of the US 24/7 while the US attacks them noooooooooo Stay mad I guess.
>>2629382Idk and idc about exact labels
The point is they are all well to the left of the DNC
>>2629384Anon, please go and talk to the average angloid and you'll see how frothing at the mouth racist they are.
>>2629387These are not mere labels.
>Vuvu war thread: European hours
<Devolves into shitposting about epistemology
>Vuvu war thread: American bours
<Absolute reactionary trash posting mascarading as communism
Behead Americans. Roundhouse kick all American babies.
>>2629391Hm, maduro was sacrificed so that people could use this precedent in their rhetoric. Briliant strategic move oh yes verily
>>2629391this is the most angry I've ever seen a british person. The british equivalent of screaming at the top of your lungs and throwing a casserole dish against the wall
No (you)s for youuuuuu
>>2629396Explain this meme
>>2629396ok this is pretty good
>>2629391someone should kidnap the king of england
>>2629396Lmao, someone put him in the terrarium of the human base in Avatar 3
Kang of Ingerlund
>>2629391Meanwhile, Netanyahu has got a warrant out for his arrest by the ICC and no one has got the balls to arrest him yet
>>2629356Danish cucks wont do shit
Theyll take it in the ass and even thank trump for it
The other nato and eu states wont do shit as well
The Don has just ripped the veil of diplomatic hypocrisy and lets us see the post-1991 reality of the world bare bones
>>2629409They are scared for their foreskins, duh
05 January 2026
20:35 GMT
Maduro’s wife Cilia Flores is in “good spirits” but “aware that there is a long road ahead and is prepared,” CBS cited her lawyer Mark Donnelly as saying.
“We look forward to reviewing and challenging the evidence the government has.”
>>2629415It's a show trial, anon.
>>2629229>trial will be in march 17th>means maduro will spend almost 3 months away from the country, in detainment before it. likely (much) more of course>according to article 234 of the Venezuelan constitution (https://web.archive.org/web/20140417173551/http://www.tsj.gov.ve/legislacion/constitucion1999.htm), if the president is away for more than 90 days, the national assembly must decide through a majority vote if there's total absence, at which point, according to article 233, due to Venezuela starting it's current legislative period, a new election for a new president will be done in the next 30 days<Article 234. Temporary absences of the President of the Republic shall be covered by the Executive Vice President for up to ninety days, extendable by decision of the National Assembly for an additional ninety days.<If a temporary absence lasts for more than ninety consecutive days, the National Assembly shall decide by a majority vote of its members whether it should be considered a permanent absence.<In the event of the absolute absence of the President-elect before taking office, a new universal, direct, and secret election shall be held within the following thirty consecutive days. While the new President is being elected and taking office, the President of the National Assembly shall be in charge of the Presidency of the Republic. machine translated, sorry about any mistakeshmmmm
>>2629321>>Russia>>Not anticommunistRussia achieved full communism because the workers' state withered away :^)
>>2629351>European population is far more open to Socialism.You mean they are open to vote for someone who call themselves socialist but are actually social-democrats that will distribute gibs based on imperialism. Then you come here and and shit on all the "turd worldists fake socialist shitholes". Yeah, I'm thinking you should kill yourself.
>>2629328>false and misleadingVietnam is a BRICS partner country. Whatever China's feelz, they're not trying to destroy Vietnam or starve its people to death. They're working with them toward mutual development and prosperity. Russia has stopped sanctioning DPRK, and China has relaxed while defending DPRK at the UN on some things and maintaining only UN-mandated sanctions. The reason they went along with sanctions in the first place was they felt they were weak and needed to compromise with the unipolar world. As they grow stronger over time, we see they sanction DPRK less, not more. It was a concession to a reactionary world and one that will disappear entirely in due time.
>>2629419This show trial will last 2+ years, fyi. Trump will become comatose demented before Maduro is sentenced, fyi.
Fyi, fyi.
>>2629423You are an ADHD child who is being entertained by a keychain being jiggled at his face.
>>2629395jones is doing a very dangerous comment there:
this for the Americans to set up the legal basis on which they did the operation which can be translate to ''this for x country to set up the legal basis on which they did the operation" and if China sets up a legal sounding operation of abducting whatever leader that is a threat to UK's interests he should not condemn it. but hey, vassals be vassals.
>>2629427>anti-imperialism is when you uphold bourgeois institutional decorumYou voted for Hillary, Biden, Kamala, right?
>>2629434Infants are, yes.
>>2629310I already made my main position clear: There is nothing about the Bolivarian revolution worth fighting for, Venezueleans do not have a welfare state that is in any way superior to any other latam succdem country. The only people that profit from war are capitalists, while the only people who die feom war are proletariats.
Venezuela has something in favour here however, if the US considers their oil reserves strategic enough to do an Iraq 2.0, then they can allow foreign investment firma into the country, engage in a mixed model and make sure to let them develop them enough to where expropriation could be a relevant fear to western interests, and then just tax the shit out of them.
To believe thousands must die to defend a run-of-the-mill corrupt latam regime just because it crossdresses in red is fucking idiotic.
for the survival of humanity it is imperative to destroy the USA
>>2629419New elections were probably what the opposition was hoping for to legitimize them.
Thread is full!
>>2629427>voting to release some abu ghraib photos in 2004 means you're anti-imperialstit probably just means he's a Democrat, anon
>>2629436>defending the CIA and Abhu Graibhi herr Platner
>>2629441>wanting business done with the U.S.>not China, the country they were in the process of opening up investment toSo this is the power of leftcom
>>2629351>UK almost elected The PRC wasn't built by "almost electing" while shitting on the enemies of american imperialism.
>>2629453>Doing business with China>While Trump is in powerLook at what happened to Mexico, ((($heinbaum))) imposed a fuck load of tariffs against China on behalf of US.
>>2629458Also,.China isn't the one trying to force a coup.
>>2629395This will never work because double standards persist. America needs to be nuked for this to be broken.
>>2629107If by getting involved you mean spending a couple of hours every 4 years to vote for a marginally lesser evil, then yes. At the very least, to not pretend that the outcome has no impact whatsoever.
>>2629111And that's not a good thing.
Fellas is it woke leftoid adventurism to oppose regime change in Venezuela?
>>2629426It will all be bread and circus.
>>2629464No it just means you are a democrat
>>2629468Bolton needs to be sent to a psychiatric clinic. There's something seriously wrong with him.
>>2629458>>2629459Mexico also was never part of and had no intention of joining BRICS.
Maduro was actively trying to gain membership which would have offset that problem.
>>2629453>So this is the power of leftcomits hilarious how they always find a way to dickride western imperialism
>>2629432maybe. but i think the problem will come less with what the PSUV does and more the situation that they're forced into, plus US backed entities potentially taking control of the CNE (where the elections are managed and votes are counted) to ensure "fair" elections. it becomes damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't: continue resisting the US attempts at intervention, and lose all political goodwill by confirming in the eye of the (venezuelan) public that you are not interested at all in liberal democracy (thus providing casus belli for additional bombings, as well…not that it was necessary), or let Milei 2.0 take control of the country through rigged elections and total PSUV demoralization.
>>2629351MEGACommunists lmao
>>2629497Simple fact is that nobody will attempt to stop Trump so long as he sticks to attacking the Americas and leaves the Old World alone.
B A K E
>>2629488 (me)
on paper, this play would also leave a peaceful exit for notable PSUV figures that have constantly been hounded and given death threats by opposition figures, too. MCM looks fucking insane to anyone peeking in from the outside but her total neurotic bloodthirsty compulsion to beg for others to come bomb torture and lynch her own people is shared by plenty of other MUD figures and reactionaries within the country and i imagine this has been a big factor in avoiding PSUV defection. but what happens if they're given the offer to publicly lower their arms, let the US rig an election and admit defeat that way? well, they might think they'll finally be left alone, and allowed to keep enough to live a normal life (they won't, but still)
>>2629458From a national self-interest perspective, it's in Mexico's interest to curb Chinese trade in the country so we can still be AmeriKKKa's No.1 sweatshop and source of cheap labor.
>>2629238They're socdems tho
>>2629149yeah for me those glowies fuck should clearly be banned on sight and their constant shitting up of the threads make me question the moderation
>>2629189yeah honestly I still havent seen any criticism of maduro that wasnt "hes BAD and INCOMPETENT and his regime is CORRUPT" without any actual argument. What actual policy should he have done?
>>2629194>bad currency managementoh yes I'm sure the US financial markets have absolutely nothing to do with this, and they're absolutely not connected to the government. Financial and commercial warfare? Whats this? Only when they announce the sanctions they're actually doing it!
>>2629208>as a supposedly communist governmentthey're not communists
its more a radical socdem / national liberation vibe, although they claim to be socialists
>why the fuck would you go for this weird custom hybrid clusterfuckbecause they didnt seize power in a coup or a revolution, but through liberal electoralism and decided to stay within it (also prolly to avoid giving the USA too much justification to invade them, but I feel even internally they werent strong enough to just go single party and planned economy model without a big civil war). Even most of the local medias shit on them afaik, because they're porkie owned.
>>2629238>the imperialist are attacking us!>well just surrender bro, easy fixkys
>>2629154Stalin would have supported the USSR against dissolution, then after that happened, he would have supported former warsaw pact nations against "democratic" NATO expansion. Remember Ukraine also joined the NATO coalition in Iraq despite not being a NATO member. So he would have supported Iraq against the NATO coalition + Ukraine. He would have supported Ukraine against Euromaidan and Poroshenko's US backed coup. He would support Donbass and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime, and finally he would support Russia, Donbass, and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime and NATO expansion.
>>2629247>they do not care about playing politics, it's all just spewing hatred at West/America/White people I think you spend too much of your life on twitter and polyp spaces
>simping for every terrible asshole in the world<anti-imperialism is "simping for every terrible asshole in the world"<you should just accept the imperial narrative, im sure it wont bite you in the assok glowie
>Does this occur to most Socialists thoughyou're just an ignorant idiot. You really think it didnt occur to anyone you fucking idiot? "Just split up the Atlanticist Western bloc bro". Even trump with all the might of his retard strength and open domination still hasnt managed to make eurobitches try to gain some independence, instead they fight among themselves to be the bottom bitch, thinking the minuscule communist multipolarist force could accomplish it (and yet they still try to agitate in that direction) is being completely deluded to the actual situation (which probably sum you up well).
also conflating "the left" "socialists" and "multipolarists" is ridiculous, those are not the same
>>2629154If anything Stalin would've organized an overthrow of Georgia and form the Soviet Republic of Transcaucasia before supporting Russia or Ukraine. Soviet first
>>2629313>Unconditional support to hurricanes bro prays for bad weather and calls himself marxist
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