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WAR? NO
NEVER NEVER WAR
PEACE FOREVER
FOREVER FOREVER FOREVER
>when you get so pissed off by charisma-kulak Chaduro that you make sure he can mock you on live US television broadcasting
04 January 2026
18:18 GMT
The US “needs” the Danish Arctic territory of Greenland, President Donald Trump told The Atlantic when asked if he would be willing to take military action against the island as he did for Venezuela.
“We do need Greenland, absolutely,” he said, claiming that the Danish territory was “surrounded by Russian and Chinese ships.”
He said that others in his administration would have to decide whether Greenland requires a military intervention.
“I really don’t know… But we do need Greenland, absolutely. We need it for defense,” he said.
The United States is confirmed to have a concept of a plan
why hasn't cuba transitioned to renewables to wean itself off its dependency on venezuelan oil?
>>2627152why hasn't cuba flown to space to trade with aliens to circumvent the blockade?
peruvian shaman just outside my house told me that all of LATAM will be communist by 2030
>>2627152why hasn't cuba transitioned from female to male (Cuba -> Cubo) to wean itself off its dependency on venezuelan HRT?
>>2627162shamanism is demonic, we are liberation theologians here
>>2627164>liberation theologiansThis is white settlerism
>>2627158there is no blockade of cuba
>>2627152you do know they don't have a land border with China or Russia to start transitioning in the first place right ?
that's the only reason NK have nukes btw
>>2627165Incans were White Gods from Aldebaran
then the sp*niards came
>>2627171the amerikkkan paper tiger doesn't know about PPW with inuit characteristics
So I contacted two Venezuelans living there I know and they told me while people generally hate the US they were happy Maduro was removed and that Machado is popular among the opposition… so why did Trump lie about these two facts?
http://archive.today/2026.01.04-114709/https://www.foxnews.com/politics/second-front-how-socialist-cell-us-mobilized-pro-maduro-foot-soldiers-within-12-hoursFox News is analyzing (You) anon.
>For years, this cell has fomented anti-American hate in the U.S. under the cover of "anti-war" protests, rallying activists after the 9/11 attacks to condemn the U.S. response, appropriating "anti-racism" protests after the 2020 killing of George Floyd, marching with Antifa agitators, organizing antisemitic campus encampments after the Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel by Hamas and activating "working-class Americans" to support Maduro and his regime in a war against "U.S. imperialism."What do you have to say for yourself anon??
>>2627192Notice Machado is popular WITH the opposition and not with the population as a whole. Machado government would end up collapsing even harder without US support. Trump isn't Rubio amd doesn't feel a need to do an absolute crusade to overthrow Nicaragua,Cuba and Venezuela. He just wants a bigger cut.
>>2627192I don't doubt Venezuelans being sick of Maduro, but Machado being popular does not jive with what I've heard from non-diasporoid Venezuelans.
>>2627180NTA but, It's gotten worse recently but parts of Europe still trade with Cuba, the global south can mostly trade with cuba. The bigger problem is, imho, the constant american sabotage, like they can barely keep the lights on quite often because the americans have been doing this big campaign of attacks on energy grids across countries such as Venezuela and Cuba.
Honestly, cuba should go like-for-like on the infrastructure attacks, being famed for their intelligence they could create networks to do this very easy.
>>2627198poor drumpf being led astray by evil marco
What if the bourgeoisie just kidnaps itself, and the problem sorts itself out.
>>2627200so true bestie
antiimperialism is a huwh*te concept
>>2627192>i contacted two venezuelans and they live there so what they told me is fact<no mention of their class position<no mention of their political affiliation<no mention of their professionYea, don't care, shut the fuck up.
>>2627205So true bestie no one thought maduro was doing bad only people outside of Venezuela
>>2627194So they’re going to use this for another redscare
>>2627193EU is groveling after praising Maduros kidnapping and begging Trump to spare them
>>2627206Lol he was not popular with any group
>>2627200Why cares what gusanos say.
>they are Venezuelanso what
>>2627227Keep believing it was only people outside of Venezuela who disliked maduro if you want
>>2627227brown people good
>>2627206working class
see if you know fellow petty bourgeois there and ask them for us
>>2627228>>2627229I will alwayse support this Spanish women over Venezuelan gusanos.
https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/2007586302020206625 >>2627232The guy 3 post above posted 5 polls
>>2627234And I am sure you will say every single one is Bs too. You won't accept anything besides the belief that everyone loved maduro and happy with him
He danced too hard
His swag was too different
His bitch was too bad
>>2627202try this: grab any Cuban living in the island and, under whatever means, Europeans, African, Asian, American (Central, South, whatever), try to send 5 bucks.
>>2627192> so why did Trump lie about these two facts?>gusano factsYou know, retards like Milei or Bukele, with not even the tiniest pretense of being anything but US puppets got legitimate popular support as well. That doesn't make me care about liberal "democracy" any more. I don't care if it takes three weeks or sixty years for the population to be mindfucked. I'm not changing my opinions because of standpoint epistemology.
And even less when the standpoint is "victim of USAno warfare for twenty years". I'm not judging though, they are free to collect the fruits of their own mistakes.
>>2627234If the people of Venezuela really are that stupid then they don't deserve democracy. Fuck them, and Fuck Amerikkka. I will always oppose the Amerikkkan empire.
>>2627240Give evidence that maduro was popular in Venezuela currently
>>2627241>If you think maduro was not doing good you are stupid. A gusano or hate your country Like I said you don't care about truth or evidence. You want it to be that you are right and anyone who does not agree is stupid or evil. You have a marvel movie view of the world
the gusano is really losing it lmao
trump isn't going to bring back your family's slaves
>>2627244I don't care about the people of Venezuela, I care about opposing American Imperialism.
>>2627230It's weird how they interpreted it as mocking but anons on here interpreted as Maduro coping with fear
>>2627248>I don't care about the people of Venezuela Then this is all just like sportsball for you. You don't care about the conditions of people or how they live. It's all just entertainment contrarianism for you. This is called oppositional defiance disorder homie
Venezuela has endured like two straight decades of sanctions and economic beatings from OPEC overproduction, of course Maduro would be hated, that's the point of sanctioning
>>2627247Gusanos would be happy right now not mad.
>>2627148I wonder if his voters support this after he campaigned against endless wars and regime change. The illegal invasion of Venezuela promises to further destabilize the western hemisphere, while domestic policy alone will make the us more like Venezuela, so an overextend military engaged in attacking NATO allies will mean the end of American empire. Without allies and the 'soft power' of diplomacy the us will collapse in on itself. The bankers and vulture capitalists are the only beneficiaries of war in the short short term. For everyone else war means loss. It always does, especially for those who think they've somehow won. The cognitive dissonance in the face of suffering provides no allowance for inner peace.
Oh yeah…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvMrGb7a1wo >>2627254Talk to the Italian Communist party. They are who support isis
>>2627242Maduro is unpopular
Machado is unpopular
US invasion is unpopular
Maduro and US invasion polls:
>>2627007Machado polls:
>>2627220 >>2627258Never disputed any of those.
>>2627253 (me)
But there's one thing people hate more than crushing poverty and that's a protracted conflict, such a case would rally support around PSUV and dynamite support for the US to unimaginable lows, and it would crater the longer it continues
>>2627244Ok then, enjoy your un-organic puppet president worse than him.
>>2627263I am not Venezuelan. This has no impact on me in either direction
>>2627264No one is doing this here
>>2627266If PSUV stays the Amerikkkan empire is weakened, if PSUV falls then the Amerikkkan empire is strengthened, this conflict has global implications
>>2627264Surely maCHADo will save the Venezuelan communists from the psuv
I've heard that the Venezuelan VP is holding firm and doesn't seem to want to co-operate with Trump. Is this true? Are the Venezuelans actually not gonna cuck out or is it all bluster for their support base?
>>2627259I think he's trying to ignore this one.
Trump is just doing bad cop. Then the other side of NATO (particularly the EU and Spain) will do the good cop.
<Bad cop:
<THE OIL IS OURS MUAHAHAHA!
>Good cop:
>Acktchually we disagree and the oil should be for Iraqis Venezuelans and their democratically elected <NATO puppet>
You have already seen this game with Gaza of recent, cmon.
>'duro kino coming soon
04 January 2026
20:21 GMT
Nicolas Maduro is expected to be arraigned at around noon EST (5pm GMT) on Monday in a US District Court in Lower Manhattan, multiple news outlets have reported.
The case has reportedly been assigned to US District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein. The 92-year-old Bill Clinton-appointed veteran of the bench has presided over a number of major cases, including the Harvey Weinstein trial and several cases related to the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
>>2627276Maybe so. Venezuela may hab more oil than the Saudis but they also have an abundance of water and lithium deposits.
>>2627250well, it's indeed defiance to the adversity. not that from Venezuela they will be able to help him in the short term.
>>2627192Well I phoned 3 friends in Venezuela and they told me you are a gay lord
>>2627273she's such a try-hard. she knows how hard trump bends the knee for israel, and by making these statements, she's trying to power-broke a deal.
>>2627273She even promised to move the embassy from tel aviv to Jerusalem when she took power
>>2627264Maduro is way easier to defend than Saddam tbh. You don’t have the baggage of the chemical attacks to wade through.
i heard that maduro's security team surrendered and were then executed via singular shot to the back of the head,
any primary source on this?
God revealed to me that Maduro WANTED to visit America and talk straight to the American people from the docket of the SDNY.
Therefore Maduro told his loyalists to leak information to the Americans, he told Padrino to pretend to sell him out to the CIA.
Padrino then ordered ALL air defense forces on the region of Caracas to NOT SHOOT the American choppers so that El Presidente could successfuly and safely reach the United States, where he will enjoy all protections of humanitarian law in addition every civil protection granted to U.S. citizens before Federal courts, and the best platform to spread his message of No Crazy War, Yes Peace Forever to the whole world, but also the people who matter the most in the planet, the American Voters.
Padrino was also constant contact with the CIA to arrange the details of the matter and also offered to oversee the total regime transition. All of Maduro's orders, as part of a ruse.
The complete triumph by Venezualan patriots over the intelligence apparatus of the Empire is deceiving them into the naive idea that the highest levels of popular leadership could ever Betray Commandante Hugo Chávez.
That is the full STORY that explains everything and also why there was no transition. The Empire got FOOLED. Maduro is where he NEEDS to be for the Next Stage of the Struggle.
The Preparatory period is over and now the Venezulan military will defeat every further attack and every invasion of its sacred soil, and will do so with ease, because they have all the technical equipment they need from Comrade Putin's choiciest stocks.
>>2627228Maduro won the election, fair and square. whatever there is in Venezuela, I am sure most of them disapprove the bombing campaign.
>93% of Venezuelans disapprove a foreign military intervention. >>2627232holly based.
>>26272345 polls showing how repugnant maCHUDo is?
#7 never existed, #8 was deleted for some reason but still has a post number. There were two competing number nines, a number nine large, and a number six with extra dip. I will archive the non archived threads for posterity. also current OP and maybe also past few OPs can't count and what they listed as threads 4 thru 6 were in fact threads 3 thru 5.
I will unfuck this and archive.
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Atached TXT is for usage in future threads so can just add new archive links to the text. idk why I bother though because nobody does it besides me. We have fallen so far from our soviet forefathers who kept meeting minutes without keyboards 120 years ago.
>>2627200tfw not sure if gusano or just suffering from libtard fatigue
>>2627305>muh pollholy liberalism batman
>>2627310the only thing which got us to march on the capitol city in recent history was trump losing LMFAO
>>2627310nothing, prots are submissive and enslavable.
>>2627311>muh pollsyou got the election results.
>>2627317Bourgeois elections are all rigged one way or another and don't really matter sorry democrat
>>2627313That cult of personality is waning and more are beginning to see through the propaganda. The loss of those supporters is enough to turn the tide. Too bad the parties are equally worthless with the exception of a few members who don't take foreign money.
Peruvian shamans heed my call. Cast a spell on Maduro for protection.
>>2627188Trump gotta be the nmost pathetic dystopian leader ever.
>>2627200i hate this /isg/ slop screenshot for so many reasons but the foremost among them is the assumption that the kidnapping of nicolas maduro is the ONLY thing that happened to venezuela, and the question of whether the mythical "average venezuelan" (what happened to class analysis?) liked Maduro is paramount. Venezuelans don't like having their oil stolen and their cities bombed, whether or not they like Maduro, you fucking twitter addicts who go grovelling to the first gusano you see online would realize that if you thought in terms of reality and not in terms of "hot takes"
So if Rodriguez decides to fully cooperate with the US what's stopping some hardcore chavista in the military to carry out a coup against her? That would probably be the worst case scenario, the risk of civil war would skyrocket and who knows what kind of massacre and loss of life would come from that.
>>2627329Turnout doesn't look as great as I'd hoped
>>2627338Maduro was THE hardcore Chavista.
>>2627329I remember when there were PRO-GOVERNMENT demonstrations in Cuba complete with M-26-7 flags and the New York Times cropped them out and tried to pass it off as an anti-government demonstration.
I remember when US-backed columbians tried to smuggle CIA weapons disguised as "food aid" to venezuelan opposition, and the venezuelan government tried to stop it, and the US-backed columbians threw molotovs, burning their own "food aid" on accident, and the New York Times deliberately removed the columbians throwing the molotovs and said Venezuelans lit the "food aid" on fire, and only 3 weeks later did they issue a "mea culpa" long after it had fallen out of headlines.
I remember. I remember. I remember. I remember. They count on amnesia so much.
>>2627340Belgian, are you suggesting the people did not support Maduro? If so, observe:
>>2627329 >>2627333 how long will the period of blackest reaction last?
>>2627328>facebook searchyeah no. those are 'groups' that extort people to send remittances, often charging 10, 20, and upt to 40%, if not stealing your money outrightly.
>trip advisor.>MLC cardsonly being in the island, with dollars, or euros at hand.
>paypal/zelleLMAOsee picrel.
>AI>1. National banksThat means IF you have a local Cuban account, of course lol, you can send money to local people in Cuba.
2. AIS Card reload.
See MLC above.
3. Cash delivery, a.k.a. western union and similar.
very limited. western union was sanctioned by trump so I think it doesn't work or work very limited, and I didn't dig up to european ones, but knowing how they all are part of the same WS club, they probably don't work. also, it's only for family.
so, again, grab any Cuban you want online, and try to send them money. like paypal to paypal, zinli to zinli, zelle to zelle, skrill to skrill, payoneer to payoneer, payee to payee. fuck, even centralized bitcoin exchange wallets, in contravention of the purposes of cryptocurrencies, left out Cubans.
you might find some money exchange platform, like a escrow, but dunno how many weird steps you have to take to do a simple swap.
>>2627355until humanity is extinct
Remember when a very vocal minority of leftypolers accused you of being a dem cel with trump derangement syndrome if you said trump is a hawk lol
>>2627350No, I'm saying that Maduro and his closest people were probably the most leftist true believers in the government and that whoever's left is probably gonna go full shock therapy under US orders.
>>2627366Doesn't seem like a MANPAD or some other SAM site to me.
>>2627369it does look like a MP.
>>2627368Holy ESL
That sentence is correct and replacing 'import' with 'export' would make it incorrect.
>>2627366return to dumb rockets. return to monke
>>2627362I was that 'tard but in my defense I stopped doing that towards the end of his first term AND trump's first term was also a laughable circus of seemingly ineffectual shit (which was probably the point, thinking about it) whenever he wasn't handing off massive sums of american's prole money towards oligarchs
>>2627368The whole administration is on autopilot.
>>2627375You are an idiot.
Demonstrations:
<Rander Peña: “Today we must say that together we are Chávez, but together we are also Maduro”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JCDMmfkkJk<Venezuela | People mobilize to demand the release of pres. Nicolas Madurohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7h_jxBdzF8>>2627378this is from months ago, no?
>>2627373it is an igla. medium-long range AA missiles take their time to take off.
>>2627378If you told this was the US I wouldn't bat an eye
>>2627375I've seen native speakers, well-read people, pointing out the inconsistency of that. was Maduro living in the US, registering companies, and operating from the US to 'import' cocaine?
as a SL person, I find it weird too.
>>2627378this is from over a month ago
>>2627380No he isn’t, when a package enters the United States it has been imported, when a package leaves Venezuela then it has been exported
>>2627381based. it seems that the revolution will exist, because it finally gained momentum where it's not one person, but the people.
>>2627394Source or some kind of verification this video is recent? There's way too many old clips floating around for me to trust anything without confirmation
>>26271711890 British ultimatum to Portugal moment incoming?
>>2627373It's just it's trail and the way it flies does not resemble the Igla.
>>2627396i hope he does it
>>2627394workers strike against a foreign invasion? how does that work? and like i guess their heart is in the right place but are demonstrations the proper reaction to foreign troops on your soil threatening to rob rape and murder your countrymen?
>>2627397>based. it seems that the revolution will exist, because it finally gained momentum where it's not one person, but the people.TBF they can already draw decent crowds and have been for months now specifically in response to aggressions. Obviously this makes the crowds grow but the important part is the organisational infrastructure is there from the repeated mobilisations and political organisation experience gain.
>>2627400Saw on a Instragram video post by a news outlet, don't have anything else other than that. Go fish I suppose
>>2627404>workers strike against a foreign invasion? how does that work?It doesn't and I doubt that's what's happening
>are demonstrations the proper reaction to foreign troops on your soil Happens every time there's aggression against a country. The crowds in Yemen were huge last time around. Same in Iran. People wanna come out and show that they are united and not scared and whatever I guess.
>>2627396the time for denunciations is past uygha!!!!!! get some fuck nukes or shut the fuck up? what are you gonna do against stealth bombers and f35s? doesn't matter how shit they might be against other military tech, you don't got that tech!!!! so shoot back or roll over. shut the fuck up!!!!
>>2627404The various oil reserves and deposits that work for American companies and have been since the 1890s and American imperialist industrial capital dominating Latin America for a while. Plus its their militant strike action that gives way for direct street fighting against American troops.
I’m kind of fucked off that western MSM is claiming that kidnapping Maduro is wrong, because it sends a bad message to “authoritarians” about what is acceptable. Two things
>The idea that ship hadn’t already sailed a hundred times before
>That this would be something “authoritarians” would ideally want to do, but the US isn’t authoritarian for already doing it
there’s not even an attempt at criticism, despite clearly wanting it to sound like criticism.
>>2627359TBH i don't use any of this shit so i will just believe you.
As far as i understand though, if you are a european exporter, say spanish, you can still export and import to and from cuba as long as you don't also do business with the amerikkkans, also true for the global south, those already outside to some degree of america or simply do not do their business near america. What does a south african trader care for US sanctions if they would like to import/export X Y or Z?
>>2627396#NoKings protestors don't know who to support here.
So with Venezuela's VP telling Trump to fuck off its basically gonna be open war on the streets of Caracas, right? Praying that the Venezuelan people can stand up to this blatant act of imperialism.
>>2627323Phrase mongering with shallow analysis. in your fear of playing into the hands of the bourgeois nationalism of the oppressed nation, you instead play into the jaws of the not merely bourgeois also deeply reactionary and imperialist nationalism of the oppressor nation.
as a mexican i know we're probably next but hey at least i hope a big chunk of groypers and rightoids end up getting funkytown'd
>>2627425do you guys think he will be able to 'charisma stat' his way into martyrdom?
>>2627429>Praying that the Venezuelan people can stand up to this blatant act of imperialism.They have a Bolivarian people's militia so they have a better chance of defending the country than most.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Militia_of_Venezuela >>2627375hard disagree. the stupid ass wording is accusing venezuela of EXPORTING cocaine to the US. you don't "import to" you "import from" and "export to."
>>2627434your instincts are correct
>>2627375As an ETL, this sentence is weird af. It would be clearer to write ‘yeet’ instead of ‘import’.
>>2627390They could write ‘export to’ instead of ‘import into’. It also matters who is the subject of the sentence. Import would make sense if the accused was an American wholesale buyer living in America.
We say ” Zhou is exporting labubus to America”. Or we could say that “Timmy is importing labubus into America (from China)”.
But it is just weird if not wrong to say “Zhou is importing Labubus into America
So the economic embargo on Cuba is understood as an individual ‘sending money to another individual in a Cuba.’
And these are the smug people who look down on me and call me retarded…
>>2627171>>2627396look them. trump is threatening to invade them, to basically steal their shit, and the only thing they do is to grovel.
I've seen various danish politicians groveling so hard, it's beyond parody. it makes me cringe now.
>>2627438Well Maduro is being sentenced in a US court as though the supposed crime was committed in the US (the import of cocaine) via supposedly once legitimate institutions.
That’s perhaps where the confusion comes from, everyone naturally assumes that Maduro is being charged as an international criminal that exported cocaine in general, but presumably due to the US’ attempt to frame this as a “law enforcement” operation rather than a military operation, the legalese is worded according to the charge, that he committed the crime within the US itself and therefore only of interest to the US DoJ.
>>2627447you kno', trump is already sending death threats to Delcy, don't you know? what does that tell you?
gonna be fun seeing chuds trying to justify an american-danish war at least
they'll prolly start saying that scandinavians arent white or some shit
>>2627456Seal clubbing, I’m calling it now
>>2627447>dude able to keep his spirits high despite the empire on his back is a sign of “capitulationist cowardice“Come on now…
>>2627285>>2627277So what the fuck happens if the judge just dismiss the case and let’s Maduro go? And why is trump doing this through the New York courts and not like a military tribunal? I’m starting to think trump prolly didn’t have military support and actually did this kidnapping with like federal police. This all so stupid and half baked.
>>2627465Because there’s a lot more talk involved for a military operation against another country and international coke barons are more Interpol’s department anyway. Pretending like Caracas is under the jurisdiction of the DEA and the state of New York is *a* justification, even if one that makes an obviously illegal act appear to be driven by megalomania rather than urgency with lives at stake as usual.
>>2627435I doubt they will let him speak to the press or in court long enough for that to happen
>>2627465There is an actual chance that Maduro gets let go after his trial, sent back to Venezuela as president again after gaining enhanced PR and popularity from his trial. People are underestimating how incompetent this administration is to do something like this
But like, why Trump explicitly thanked the US military instead of pretending the NYPD arrested Maduro, I dunno. It would have at least mean more consistent in shitposting an explanation for why it wasn’t really a military op
I mean fuck it, at this point Trump could have thanked Tubbs and Crockett for their bust and it would have been more consistent
>>2627421problem is, when you are an exporter and trade only with Cuba, as a non-US citizen, you must do it without the use of dollars to get a 'sanitized' relationship. that's not lucrative for more exporters. say, you are a power generator manufacturer in Vietnam, seeking to replace the Cuban power grid? what are you going to do with Cuban pesos if the Cuban government pays you with pesos? the in Vietnam buys components from other places using the dollar, too, not with Cuban pesos. hence the trouble. though Cuba could try to use the dollars they get through tourism, exports, etc., any non-US national who trades with Cubans using the sanctioned use of dollars, can get arrested
if the transaction was related even in the least possible way to the US systemI am not shitting you, read how the paragraph starts, link, picrel:
https://ofac.treasury.gov/faqs/736yes, buuuuuut mucho texto.jpg to basically say a resounding
no (tl;dr, whatever we dim can help Cuban economy to growth and make look communism good=NO).
>>2627323>Bourgeois elections are all riggedI didn't see the bourgs arrested by the US.
>>2627432The only hope for Mexico is to begin producing nuclear weapons yesterday.
>>2627481Has any country tried lying about having them? I would just lie until I actually had a nuke
>>2627482>Has any country tried lying about having them?lol, only the opposite. ziosrael, in this case.
>>2627482Israel lies about not having them.
>>2627467This Sal Goodman lawyer shit isn’t really trumps style. He already ignores the courts and bypasses institutions all the time. Him doing this means he might be starting to hit walls and needs to find ways to legitimize his bullshit. It’s just weird.
>>2627470I’m starting to think this is what happens. Maduro goes home, trump calls the Venezuela war off and then 2 months from now he’s trying to bully Greenland.
>>2627471>It would have at least mean more consistent in shitposting an explanation for why it wasn’t really a military ophe stated 'it's war' when he said that they got men 'hit' during the operation. doesn't get clearer than that.
>>2627432why would the people running the cartels get killed off by the cartels, dummy. if anything this temporarily reduces the sphere of influence the US holds within mexico and thus its ability to conduct decapitation strikes.
>>2627482why could anyone possibly know. AFAIK any country with nuclear power plants can technically produce nuclear weapons
Hot Take:
If every single Venezuelan man, woman and child, declared their unflinching support for becoming a US neocolony… they'd still be wrong.
>>2627470>People are underestimating how incompetent this administration is to do something like thisPeople are overestimating US capabilities, if anything this adventure is exposing how limited the US is now vs the US during Roosevelt, pure spectacle to keep the morale among the piggies high, but little else
>>2627425The Chavez playbook, i was hoping he'd pull this shit lmao.
>>2627509It all comes off as extremely pathetic. I don't know, I see all the genuinely brainless seal clapping over the raid and all I see a people (Americans) who would never have this kind of energy for anyone who could actually pose a threat to them.
>>2627465>So what the fuck happens if the judge just dismiss the case and let’s Maduro go?They'll say the evidence is national security risk so has to be private, all the witnesses will be classified, behind doors trial in all but if not name.
>>2627465bro how many times now has trump ignored congress, the constitution, and judge rulings that legally he's supposed to be bound by? he's a fascist. ᴉuᴉlossnW and hitler did the same thing. use violence to get whatever you want in a society that believes itself to be civilized and polite and has been so enamored by their own propaganda they believe the fact that some humans get together in a room and sign some papers that binds anyone to anything
At least now we know what were in all those cargo planes flying to Venezuela: words of encouragement.
>>2627429It seems that the U.S. did nothing to disrupt the continuation of government so this appears to be exactly Maduro’s offer from a few months ago but with dozens of civilian casualties because USians wanted them.
>>2627524Rubio has these mannerisms where he looks like he is either crying or dozing off as he speaks. He's so soul-less.
>>2627465Maduro will either get whatever duration of active spectacle and then killed in the USA. Or "extradited" to gusano Venezuela for the same. Or exiled to the RF. I don't think Maduro serves a jail sentence or walks.
Personally I think the funniest outcome would be sending Maduro to Spain. Where he would be tried by literal fascists Franco apologists and worst gusanos. All while the socdems completely invert reality and pull a Germany, talking about how they are atoning for that time they let Pinochet get away. The EU would loudly proclaim to be defending democracy in spite of Trump or some slop like that. Fuck knows it doesn't matter anymore, it's not about information or propaganda, they just make noises with their mouths and the idiot masses clap like seals.
We could have the most "progressive" resource grab since picrel…
>>2627524Is this Trump still being butthurt over Nobel prize?
Anyone got resources for finding anti war protests? Seems like PSL’s instagram hasn’t updated with some more info as far as I see and the CPUSA is trying to get people to call their reps, but I want to get my feet on the ground. There’s one on Tuesday but it’s a bit far away.
Also I figured I’d say that for as useless as it might seem, at least sending a call or email to your rep to let them know you’re pissed off is something.
>>2627553no, I think he genuinely hates every opposition figured after they all jumped in the biden wagon. I am almost sure he despises them all internally.
>The plan is for US corporations to control all of the region's strategic natural resources, including critical minerals and rare earth elements. The US wants to create a new supply chain in the western hemisphere that cuts out China, to prepare for future conflict with Beijing.
>Trump administration officials recognize that manufacturing jobs are not actually coming back to the US, so they admit in the National Security Strategy that they want to "near-shore manufacturing" to Latin America. US corporations hope to exploit low-paid Latin American workers to make their products, cutting out China.
>This is also why a new US-dominated supply chain in the western hemisphere is needed: not only because the US military-industrial complex needs to remove China from the supply chain for the weapons that it is making to prepare for a potential future war with China; but also because Washington wants to economically decouple from China, and thinks Latin America can help it do that.https://nitter.poast.org/BenjaminNorton/status/2007665390420406419#mgood take from ben norton. the PRC are retarded if they allow the USA the time to carry this out.
<Rubio: US not concerned about escalating tensions with Russia. Russia provides only rhetorical support to Venezuela.
there isn't going to be a war, capital won, time to go to work and get real folks, it's over.
>>2627564The US is just gonna pick off Chinese allies one by one, it seems. Will possibly bomb more multipolarista pipelines too, given that it's seen it can get away with it.
>>2627572w/e as a latin american myself it hurts me to say latin america is lost. it will all fall under USA hegemony in the coming decades. but the USA will not limit itself to its hemispheres. the PRC
needs to secure it's own hemisphere. it needs to start being heavy handed with expelling USA military presence in south east asia. they've got less than 10 years to secure taiwan. they must expel the USA military from Japan. and they need to replace their military bases with their own. they're biggest problem is russia. shits grim
>>2627574The Taiwan scenario has always been downright bizarre except through the lens of cuck theory. The US is allowed to behave like Taiwan is independent of China, but it's just not allowed to say that Taiwan is independent of China. The US can't believe its luck.
>>2627574>they've got less than 10 years to secure taiwancorrection, America has less than 10 years to keep taiwan secure. don't forget china is rising and america is waning
>>2627566As if the US wouldn't throw a Cuban Missile Crisis-tier shitfit if it was anything more than rhetorical
>>2627564>and thinks Latin America can help it do that.with a gun on the head.
>>2627582Correct, though it remains rhetorical.
>>2627482The Netherlands did about housing american nukes but it was more of an open secret by the end.
>>2627396>>2627449Republics are more progressive than monarchies. America should liberate Greenland from the tyrant King Frederik X.
>>2627588Indeed, but they can't talk smack about that when the alternative is them immediately going to DEFCON 1
>>2627591The Soviets didn't care about making America unhappy or "provoking WW3" or whatever. They responded tit for tat.
>>2627593Neither does Russia, they want NATO to fuck off from their borders but the US of 1962 and 2026 cocks a pistol over any fear they have they're about to be matched in tit for tat.
>>2627593>The Soviets didn't care about making America unhappy or "provoking WW3" or whatever.there were multiple times the soviets had reason to believe they were already under nuclear attack but refused to respond, one example during the middle of the "Cuban" missile crisis:
>On October 27, 1962, surrounded by a group of 11 U.S. destroyers and the aircraft carrier USS Randolph, the nuclear-armed Soviet Foxtrot class submarine B-59 was subjected to a barrage of depth charges.
>Taking this as the opening shots of WWIII, Captain Valentin Grigorievitch Savitsky ordered the B-59's nuclear-tipped missile be launched in retaliation to the U.S. surface ships. Had this been the case, it is likely that the U.S., USSR, Cuba and most of Europe would have had a full shooting-war on their hands.
>According to Director of the National Security Archive Thomas Blanton and former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, Vasili Arkhipov saved the world. To launch a nuke, the top three Soviets on the B-59 needed a unanimous vote. Captain Savitsky and Political Officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov were all for it, but Arkhipov, a mere second-in-command, was not all that wild about wiping out human civilization. >>2627600I feel like there's a lot of crew for 11 destroyers and an aircraft carrier who could have figured that throwing depth charges at a Soviet sub, especially at such a critical moment, was likely the opening shot of WW3.
Are there any reports of
anyone trying to prevent that?
This Reddit was taken over by the ACP which is haz party and Jackson Hinkle. So all of the moderators of it and the people who curate post are members of that party. But there's a ton of stragglers in there who think this is just a normal socialist Reddit and they go in and get outraged by the post
Like go through all the top posts about Venezuela. Look how angry the people get
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialists/>>2627548 (me)
yuuup, you can't hate US media enough.
>>2627593Making America mad and provoking WW3 would be pointless goals but only responding tit for tat is a large part of why USSR lost. They should have been far more aggressive than they were.
>>2627603I was being a little sarcastic. Just pointing out the Kingdom of Denmark controlling Greenland isn't really much better and they have no legs to stand on when claiming it as theirs.
>>26276040% if america and russia agree to invade at the same time each getting half of the continent
>>2627586maybe one day I'll be able chant "thank you PRC" in China when the burger reich is ashes
>>2627599>Neither does RussiaModern Russia does not want respond tit for tat.
>>2627604>ww3 will be between USA vs NATO>fascist are so self-destructive they would go to war with their own alliesthat would be fucking hilarious and morbidly poetic
>TRUMP: COLOMBIA IS RUN BY A SICK MAN, HE WON'T BE DOING IT VERY LONG
>>2627620>HOW DARE YOU NOT BE EVEN MORE IMPERIALIST, SIR!!!!!!light them all on fire
also
>this guy who claimed to be president but wasn'tcut off his lying snake tongue
>convic- indicted drug traffickerreminder indicted just means accused
why couldn't that kid have better aim bruh
>>2627600False beliefs don't constitute knowledge. I'm more concerned about how people respond when they have knowledge. For instance, US arming of Taiwan and Ukraine is a matter of knowledge.
>>2627639he should've taken a loan or borrowed money and bought an expensive rifle and scope. it's not like he would have to pay it later
>>2627640>being the global hegemony lets you do whatever you want!Awesome.
>>2627639are you kidding? trump is single handedly destroying the old liberal world order. the sooner people realize the the law never mattered and the constitution isn't real the better
>>2627620>muh procedures, rule of law, and wanted criminals!They media has to manufacture the most feckless opposition because they are easier to control.
>>2627645It's the global hegemon on easy mode. It's not like China and Russia are lacking in military and economic power. They exceed the US in many significant ways.
>>2627564>they want to "near-shore manufacturing" to Latin AmericaThat's not possible lol. There are so many reasons why this will never work, many of them being the same reason America can't manufacture
in its own country. So, considering this, it's orders of magnitude
more difficult to direct something that complex IN OTHER SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES.
Even if they wanted to, it's just not possible.
>>2627653
>King Lear is having a based day today
>tomorrow…back to spamming racial genetics
>>2627646Most sane NGE watcher.
>>2627654I'm inventing a new term for this: zombie-imperialism. Like a dying severed limb from a lizard or insect, convulsing in motions automatic and instinctual, in a way that imitates the life it once had but without thought or purpose
>>2627647>the sooner people realize the the law never mattered and the constitution isn't real the betterwhy would that be such a good thing?
>>2627657so much for the anti war majority
>>2627652As the Cuban Missile Crisis demonstrated, if you don't give them easy mode they threaten to end the world.
>>2627664The Cuban Missile Crisis made them back down. They removed their missiles from Turkey.
>>2627564no amount of plundering natural resources will make up for losing the innovation game to China. most of the rare earths gets sent there anyway to be refined as only they control the tech. stupid take
>>2627661because we need to get it into peoples minds that we need a new constituent assembly?
>>2627665…and promised not to invade Cuba.
Now they're openly discussing moves against Cuba because they see Russia as weak.
>>2627663I mean the question is phrased "take part in world" not "go to war" so it's a little different than that.
Which is funny because that means a 3rd of the respondents are fully isolationist in every way lmao. Just… nope. No affair. Not a single one.
>>2627654they won't be sovereign though. but you are right that it will be impossible for whatever industrial production change the USA establishes to be as efficient as that of the PRCs because of the lack of central planning. that's why this plan for the USA is one of 30ish years. and why the PRC cannot be idle in that time. if they let that industrial complex come to fruition without having expelled the USA military presence near them then the USA will have the capacity to keep it there indefinitely
>>2627665They went to DEFCON 2 and attacked a Soviet sub, they'd already made the snap decision to end the world because Soviet nuclear weapons in Cuba completely re-balanced the US' ability to wage war across the globe. That there was a negotiated settlement where that re-balance didn't happen because in exchange they removed
some nukes from
some part of NATO, is entirely predicated on the USSR backing down.
>Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Sunday appeared to pivot away from President Trump’s assertion a day earlier that the United States would “run” Venezuela, emphasizing instead that the administration would keep a military “quarantine” in place on the country’s oil exports to exert leverage on the new leadership there.
>>2627681Syria rules then
>>2627673They are recognized as sovereign by the entire international community, by the UN charter, by all of the deals and treaties and constitutions and the entirety of the global legalist apparatus. Just because their sovereignty is being violated does not change that.
>the PRC cannot be idle in that time. if they let that industrial complex come to fruitionThe PRC has always and will continue to take various actions in many ways across Latam. The USA will not be able to get anything off the ground whatsoever as far as "controlling" their hemisphere, it is too decrepit and the system of government is far too antiquated (250 year anniversary coming up of a constitution fundamentally
exactly the same as it was but with like less than 20 amendments).
China barely has to change anything they're doing.
>>2627657Kill the Amerilard - this is your old mother's prayer. Kill the Amerilard - this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the Amerilard - this is the cry of your Earth.
>>2627684correction: there's 27 amendments
>>2627432It depends on their willingness to risk putting boots on the ground in Mexico. Unlike an invasion of Venezuela, any sort of ground conflict in Mexico would spill onto US soil.
>>2627625Problem is Denmark is worthless political entity that doesn't have the ability or will to actually fight. Supporting them is pointless.
>>2627661Delegitimates the capitalist world order.
>>2627696>fight povertyI wanna kill that guy
>>2627689revolution incoming?
>>2627695This reminds me of this thing I heard where apparently Hitler gambled on France and the UK not having the political will to open up a western front while he was invading Poland.
Like I think the best course of action is for other countries to play hardball and be willing to escalate against the U.S.
"Fun fact" also has to be the most overused and simultaneously most cringe trope on the internet
tripfags leave
>>2627702I think it all depends on if the French and German leadership decide Greenland is essential to european continental security. france had a delegation there not too long ago
>>2627667>>2627695without class conscious I can only see a new liberal order being established, and that's best case scenario. It could very much be a fascist one. Isn't that what happened with the Weimar republic? The rotting corpse of a liberal democracy giving rise to fascism?
>>2627702If the US sees the world as the
American world, and all evidence suggests it does, then the issue is that ending the world is preferable to a world that is not American.
Like, people can claim Russia and China are cucked for broadly having a "never fire first" policy with the exception of their actual existence being at stake, reasoning that a world without Russia/China isn't a world worth saving from nuclear war, but for the US with its "we might fire first if we deem it necessary" policy is that same idea but not limited to whether or not the US itself is at stake, but the reality of an American world. It's the reason why they have the "invade the Hague" act, the only (to the US) conceivable circumstance that an American or someone under the protection of the US could be hauled into a European human rights court is they're challenging the US's hegemony and that could be also have nukes be deemed necessary.
Unfortunately, that's why US nuclear sabre rattling doesn't go both ways for Russia/China and US hegemony has to be relinquished from the inside.
>>2627701The quote posted here
>>2627689 isnt there
>>2627712the lifting of false consciousness will make the work of propagandizing and agitation easier my friend. these are the principle tasks of professional revolutionaries
Venezuela’s acting president Delcy Rodríguez: “We extend an invitation to the U.S. government to work together on a cooperation agenda.”
>Faytuks Network
Anyone got a better source for this statement?
>>2627702He was right. France jobbed immediately and UK largely fucked off until the Americans came in. It was France and UK being such pushovers that allowed Operation Barbarossa to start off so strong.
Denmark and EU wont do shit if Trump decides to take it. What even could they do if they wanted to fight back? Economic sanctions?
>Weeks earlier, U.S. officials had already settled on an acceptable candidate to replace Mr. Maduro, at least for the time being: Vice President Delcy Rodríguez, who had impressed Trump officials with her management of Venezuela’s crucial oil industry.
>The people involved in the discussions said intermediaries persuaded the administration that she would protect and champion future American energy investments in the country.
>“I’ve been watching her career for a long time, so I have some sense of who she is and what she’s about,” said one senior U.S. official, referring to Ms. Rodríguez.
>It was an easy choice, the people said. Mr. Trump had never warmed up to the Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, who had organized a winning presidential campaign in 2024, earning her the Nobel Peace Prize this year. Since Mr. Trump’s re-election, Ms. Machado has gone out of her way to please him, calling him a “champion of freedom,” mimicking his talking points on election fraud in the United States and even dedicating her Peace Prize to him.
>It was in vain. On Saturday, Mr. Trump said he would accept Ms. Rodríguez, saying that Ms. Machado lacked the “respect” needed to govern Venezuela.
>>2627702>Like I think the best course of action is for other countries to play hardball and be willing to escalate against the U.S.Hate to agree with this strasserite but I have a similar intuition. Always being the one reacting isn't good. Sadly tho to really make taking that risk worth it you need an ally like Vietnam had the USSR. China needs to step up, it doesnt even have to be something too crazy, but they need to apply pressure to the US in some way.
>>2627658even after all the groveling petro did splitting the leftist movements, not recognizing Maduro at once, at even helping with the story that the burned down chemical plant in Maracaibo was a cocaine production plant.
holly jesus, shit.
Fizzlegang?
>>2627658great colombia when
>>2627751>>2627737>>2627724my man, this is just the NYT version of 'Maduro abandoned socialism, let's go get business' shit article. we have already what is coming next:
>>2627620,
>>2627548. she didn't back down, and now it'll be either all out war or another shit like yesterday.
>>2627729I think the problem with China is that despite the century of humiliation they still haven't gotten over the inherent arrogance of thinking nothing matters outside of China. Most Chinese are utterly ignorant about affairs outside of China because they don't think anywhere outside China is worth paying attention to. Its kind of similar with fat ameriblobs but instead of stupidity and treats with the Chinese its a verrrrrry long tradition of thinking of themselves as the center of the world. You don't get over thousands of years of that mindset in a century. That is undergerded materially by the historical fact that China is a very self-sufficient nation so hasn't really needed the rest of the world. But self-suffciency isn't enough it needs to understand that for America its all or nothing, if China doesn't realize the stakes they might lose it all without firing a shot.
Is delcy rodriguez going to be a us puppet?
https://mazo4f.com/en/delcy-rodriguez-sends-a-message-to-the-united-states-and-the-world-venezuela-has-the-right-to-peace
>In this regard, he highlighted the importance of “moving towards a balanced and respectful international relationship between the United States and Venezuela, and between Venezuela and the countries of the Region, based on sovereign equality and non-interference”, stressing that “these principles guide our diplomacy with the rest of the countries of the world.”
>Rodríguez urged Washington to work together with the Bolivarian country “on an agenda of cooperation, oriented to shared development, within the framework of international legality and strengthening lasting community coexistence.”I don't know if she is saying this sarcastically or is willing to work with US imperialism and sell her country out
>>2627760>she didn't back down>>2627762 Looks like she did anon, sorry to break it to you.
>>2627729I understand, and I despise what our government is doing to the world, but I think for the sake of humanity there needs to be a united front. The EU needs to break ties, Venezuela should be willing to just open fire on the navy—quickly preferably while the world is still on its side. It’s only when the world asserts that America can’t bully it that the imperialists will be cautious.
i wonder what are right wing animals and the garbage diaspora across latin america going to do if delcy becomes bff with trump.
>>2627765>>2627762fuck you for doing this stupid propaganda:
>>2627754 >>2627751 >>2627737 >>2627724you either live in langley, or you are doing propaganda for the US regime for free. you got Maduro arrested, and you are already prepping the ground to de-franchize people. we will discussing that you eat slop divisive shit, even while she's killed/abducted.
GO KYS.
>>2627769she won't. it'll be either war or another shit like yesterday.
so has anyone established why venezuela's air defenses didn't work?
>>2627773we saw what happened in Bolivia. If you get a centrist in office after the rightful president is removed then they just implement austerity and lose significant support allowing the far right to win.
>>2627767>The EU needs to break tieswill never happen bro, they are the delta force of dickriders, they make Joe Sims look like fucking chairman Gonzalo
lula should kill bolsonaro before the USA sends chinooks to get him out
>>2627753It's too early to say but I'm a little bit fizzlegang
>>2627767>>2627729It is incorrect when amerikcan "leftists" criticize China. China's line is correct. Maduro will be free soon.
king lear answers to a question no one asked: "hmmmmm let me write a wall-text explaining why something that happened could've been prevented with my skills when if didn't happen I wouldn't making all of these rambling-babbling that lays the blame on the oppressed people". infalible.
>>2627762>I don't know if she is saying this sarcastically or is willing to work with US imperialism and sell her country outIt reads like typical Chinese/Vietnamese government UN/World Bank/IMF-speak so clearly the latter. It's 1991 forever for every ML/socdem, stuck on loop, like a broken record. Don't you dare get serious. Marxism and especially Leninism is memoryholed, this is the era of bourgeois romanticism and people's multi-party democracy forever, because socialism should be as brittle as possible.
>>2627778Don't forget Ecuador.
>>2627788It is incorrect when amerikcan dengists voice their opinion. The communist line is correct. To predict the future is impossible.
>>2627778If the pro-Maduro workers revolt against the VP I will support them.
>>2627805I'm not a burger tho.
>>2627788nah, bolsonaro is a pathetic loser, and trump doesn't care for those. the brazillian bourgeousie used and dumped him. they are going to get another idiot to be their front man, one that doesn't post golden shower videos on his main twitter, lmao
>>2627819is that guy even real?
I thought it was written by AI
>>2627823>If the pro-Maduro workers revolt against the VP I will support them.You do know Venezuela has repressed communist forces, right? Which the PSUV have kept down?
You want a repeat of what happened in Bolivia within the past few months apparently. Solid analysis, guy.
From February to August 2006, Rodríguez was the Minister for Presidential Affairs.[28] Her tenure was short-lived due to reported tensions with president Hugo Chávez.[28][29] She reportedly refused to show the "personal homage" expected by the president.[28] According to profiles published in Tal Cual and El Estímulo [es], Rodríguez disregarded established hierarchies and maintained a direct attitude that alienated her from the presidential inner circle.[28][30] During an official trip to Moscow in 2006, Rodríguez allegedly engaged in a heated argument with Chávez in which she used disrespectful language.[30] Following the altercation, Chávez reportedly ordered her removal from the delegation and her immediate return to Venezuela on a separate plane.[30]
In 2007, she served as the General Coordinator to the Vice-President of Venezuela, both of which roles she held while her brother occupied the office of Vice President of the Republic.[31]
In August 2013, President Nicolás Maduro appointed her as the Minister of Popular Power for Communication and Information of Venezuela, a position in which she was reaffirmed in 2014 and maintained until October 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcy_Rodr%C3%ADguezImportant
>>2627603"Progressive" doesn't mean "good". It means "progressive". Like cancer.
Inside ‘Operation Absolute Resolve,’ the U.S. Effort to Capture MaduroIn August, a clandestine team of C.I.A. officers slipped into Venezuela with a plan to collect information on Nicolás Maduro, the country’s president, whom the Trump administration had labeled a narco-terrorist.
The C.I.A. team moved about Caracas, remaining undetected for months while it was in the country. The intelligence gathered about the Venezuelan leader’s daily movements — combined with a human source close to Mr. Maduro and a fleet of stealth drones flying secretly above — enabled the agency to map out minute details about his routines.
>In contrast to messy U.S. interventions of the past — by the military in Panama or the C.I.A. in Cuba — the operation to grab Mr. Maduro was virtually flawless, according to multiple officials familiar with the details, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the plans.
>In the run-up, Delta Force commandos rehearsed the extraction inside a full-scale model of Mr. Maduro’s compound that the Joint Special Operations Command had built in Kentucky. They practiced blowing through steel doors at ever-faster paces.
>Amid the heightened tensions, Mr. Maduro had been rotating between six and eight locations, and the United States did not always learn where he intended to stay until late in the evenings. To execute the operation, the U.S. military needed confirmation that Mr. Maduro was at the compound they had trained to attack.
>In the days leading up to the raid, the United States deployed increasing numbers of Special Operations aircraft, specialized electronic warfare planes, armed Reaper drones, search-and-rescue helicopters and fighter jets to the region — last-minute reinforcements that analysts said indicated the only question was when military action would happen, not if.
>In recent days, Mr. Maduro tried to head off an American raid, offering the United States access to Venezuelan oil, Mr. Trump said Saturday. A U.S. official said the deal, offered on Dec. 23, would have had Mr. Maduro leave the country for Turkey. But Mr. Maduro angrily rejected that plan, the official said. It was clear, the official added, that Mr. Maduro was not serious.
>Mr. Trump had authorized the U.S. military to go ahead as early as Dec. 25, but left the precise timing to Pentagon officials and Special Operations planners to ensure that the attacking force was ready, and that conditions on the ground were optimal.
>The U.S. military wanted to conduct the operation during the holiday period because many government officials were on vacation and because significant numbers of Venezuelan military personnel were on leave, according to a U.S. official.
>Unseasonably bad weather pushed the operation off by several days. Earlier in the week, however, the weather cleared, and military commanders looked at a “rolling window” of targeting opportunities in the days ahead. Mr. Trump gave the final go order at 10:46 p.m. Friday.
>Had the weather not cleared, the mission could have been pushed off until mid-January, one official said.
>The operation officially got underway around 4:30 p.m. on Friday, when U.S. officials gave the first set of approvals to launch certain assets into the air. But that did not mean the full mission would be authorized. For the next six hours, officials continued to monitor the conditions on the ground, including the weather and Mr. Maduro’s whereabouts.
>Mr. Trump spent the evening on the patio at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida club, where he had dinner with aides and cabinet secretaries. The president’s aides told him that they would be calling him later that evening, around 10:30 p.m., for the final approval. Mr. Trump did so by phone, then joined his senior national security officials in a secure location on the property.
>Inside Venezuela, the effort began with a cyberoperation that cut power to large swaths of Caracas, shrouding the city in darkness to allow the planes, drones and helicopters to approach undetected.
>More than 150 military aircraft, including drones, fighter planes and bombers, took part in the mission, taking off from 20 different military bases and Navy ships.
>As the aircraft advanced on Caracas, military and intelligence agencies determined that they had maintained tactical surprise: Mr. Maduro had not been warned that the operation was coming.
>Early Saturday morning, thunderous explosions boomed across Caracas as U.S. warplanes struck at radar and air defense batteries. While some of the explosions posted on social media looked dramatic, a U.S. official said that they were mostly radar installations and radio transmission towers being taken out.
>Later, General Caine told reporters that the fighter planes, bombers and drones came into Venezuela to find and destroy the country’s air defenses, to clear a safe pathway for the helicopters carrying Special Operations forces.
>Even though Venezuelan air defenses were suppressed, the U.S. helicopters came under fire as they moved in on Mr. Maduro’s compound at about 2:01 a.m. local time. General Caine said the helicopters responded with “overwhelming force.”
>One of the helicopters was hit. Two U.S. officials said that about half a dozen soldiers were injured in the overall operation.
>The Delta Force operators assigned to capture Mr. Maduro were whisked to their target — on Venezuela’s most fortified military base — by an elite Army Special Operations aviation unit, the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, which flies modified MH-60 and MH-47 helicopters.
>The 160th, nicknamed the Night Stalkers, specializes in high-risk, low-level and nighttime missions like insertions, extractions and raids. The unit conducted what the Pentagon called training missions near the coast of Venezuela in recent months.
>Once on the ground, Delta Force moved quickly through the building to find Mr. Maduro. About 1,300 miles away, in a room inside Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump and key aides watched the raid play out in real time, courtesy of a camera positioned on an aircraft overhead.
>As General Caine narrated the events on the screen, the president peppered him with questions about how the operation was unfolding.
>“I watched it literally like I was watching a television show,” Mr. Trump said on Fox News Saturday morning.
>As the president monitored the raid from Florida, the Delta Force operators used an explosive to enter the building.
>The U.S. official said that the Special Operations forces took three minutes after blowing open the door to move through the building to Mr. Maduro’s location.
>Mr. Trump said that once the Special Operations forces made it through the compound to Mr. Maduro’s room, the Venezuelan leader and his wife tried to escape into a steel-reinforced room, but were stopped by the U.S. forces.
>“He was trying to get to a safe place,” Mr. Trump said during the news conference with General Caine, adding: “It was a very thick door, a very heavy door. But he was unable to get to that door. He made it to the door, he was unable to close it.”
>About five minutes after entering the building, Delta Force reported that they had Mr. Maduro in custody.
>The military was accompanied by an F.B.I. hostage negotiator in case Mr. Maduro had locked himself in a safe room or refused to surrender.
>Those negotiations, however, proved unnecessary. The Delta operatives swiftly loaded the couple into the helicopters, which had returned to the compound. By 4:29 a.m. Caracas time, Mr. Maduro and his wife were transferred to the U.S.S. Iwo Jima, a U.S. warship in the Caribbean stationed about 100 miles off the coast of Venezuela during the operation.
>The couple was transferred from the Iwo Jima to the U.S. Navy base at Guantánamo Bay, where the F.B.I. had a 757 government plane waiting to bring him to a military-controlled airport north of Manhattan.https://archive.is/stYhw >>2627825won't the next rw candidate be his son?
>>2627832Do you think the communist party has a chance to take power? If they can that would be great.
>>2627828king lear, or project KINGLEAR is a NSA program gone rogue
>>2627833>According to profiles published in Tal Cual and El Estímulotal cual is literally the most insane batshit media you can even quote for whatever thing that has happened in Venezuela since Chavez rose to power, lmao. it's only surpassed by la patilla and el nacional.
>>2627836>oppressed nation of ukraineoh im laffin
>>2627604i need this to happen so badly. the burgerreich must fall
>>2627832>Venezuela has repressed communist forcesoh, shi, we are back again at the "x/formerly twitter 'pcv'" who chose presidential candidate, the well known anti-communist Enrique Marquez.
lol, lmao even.
>>2627850Take that with the KKE and like a third of this board of rightist MLs who endorse these khrushchevite-type parties (if what you're sharing is even real).
Note that I said parties
plural. The Venezuelan revolution had a multitude of forces pushing it and a long history of class struggle preceding it. I am speaking of the communist internationalist forces personally and know of Trotskyist ones as well.
Am curious as to what other MLs will reply to your post though, first time I've read that claim about the PCV. KKE-associated parties still endorse PCV for those that don't know.
>>2627861>(if what you're sharing is even real)his posts are there, you can use google, your search bar, and even ask to the AI.
https://x.com/ENRIQUEMARQUEZPhere's the post where they backed the presidential candidacy of the very-well known, in Ve politics, anti-communist COPEIan enrique marquez.
picrel is one I was hoping for you to reply to post it, him cheering juan guaido in 2019, on instagram.
if chavismo falls, that man is freed (currently under arrest for conspiring).
>>2627863>>2627861missed the link where X/formerly twitter PCV (only presence) supported his candidacy as president (they weren't excluded from the election):
https://x.com/PCV_Venezuela/status/1805703504901836911 How does one sort the muck of Venezuela and other news aside from the basic principle of "wait for a statement from the government about x event"
are there maoists in venezuela?
>>2627859billions must post this everywhere
>>2627568>Muh Soh Shuh List Dick TatersSHUT THE FUCK UP
>>2627841probably, yeah, but tarcisio de freitas could still take over at the last minute. the bourgeoisie definitely prefers tarcisio, but for now they are betting on bolsonaro's family populism against lula's populism. either way bolsonaro is done, maybe they will let him out prison eventually, but there definitely will be no daring rescue to save that hiccuping old fuck
>>2627863>>2627864Thanks for the info. This paints some things in a new light, for instance, look at this from Solidnet (widely cited ML page on here):
https://www.solidnet.org/article/Open-letter-of-Communist-and-Workers-Parties-to-the-President-of-Venezuela-Nicolas-Maduro/published 7/20/23,
with the relatively large list of signee parties (including KKE ofc), and some other ones I've polemicised against in person.
>>2627593based and correct
venezuela belongs to america now fighting back would be redivision of the world and therefore imperialist making it le interimperialist conflict
>>2627625Why is he so much more based than Bordiga and Trotsky?
>>2627861>take that with the KKE and like a third of this board of rightist MLslol 90% of board MLs hate KKE
>communist internationalist forces personally and know of Trotskyistmicrosect of a microset.
yes please reservation for communist part of one
>>2627901That is simply an instance of Stalin reciting the Leninist theory of capitalist imperialism anon.
>>2627909Better fewer, but better.
>>2627625btw, dialectical materialist conclusions like these are so confusing to metaphysical idealist mind that Orwell invented the term "doublespeak" to make fun of them, not realizing that he was only making fun of himself.
>>2627148Colombia 🤝 China 🤝 Denmark 🤝 Mexico
The last stand of Socialdemocracy begins now gentlemen
>>2627790
>if Maduro was a Maoist he would not be in Handcuffs right now,
have you heard about someone named abimael guzman
>>2627932is xi really going to cuck out all these chinese citizens to trump without any fight
>>2627927Let's be fair to Maoists and not associate them wholesale with Gonzaloists. That's just what Gonzaloists want.
Remember that CPP and Naxals were there before, lacked Abimael's delusions of grandeur, and are here now.
Online Gonzaloists may as well be agent provocateurs in another vein from ACP.
Reject Maoism means rejecting the Chinese revolution. Is that your intention while opaquely cope-defending PSUV's incompetence right now? Because Maoists have far, far firmer ground to stand on than you.
>>2627892it's alright. you are the first person not doubling down or ghosting without openly expressing the 2 notches down.
>kketypical eurocomms. don't bother too much on understanding their anachronic way of view of the world. they tint their analysis with Marxism, but when it comes to defend the least reactionary path, they fail miserably. until this day they love to have infights with everyone's else foreign policies, and instead of defending Tsipras when they could with an armed struggle, openly taking up arms against the kleptocrats in Berlin, they attacked him.
>>2627940Fuck off glowie. China is a socialist country of peace.
>>2627861I feel many American anons don't realise that within certain parts of Europe - Particularly Eastern Europe, Greece and oddly also the UK - MList parties broadly do not give a single shit about economic policies at all.
The average member is 67 years old and probably never once read Marx, but has a dozen Stalin portraits in every room.
They care about 2 things only:
>Anti-LGBT sentiment>Support for RussiaAnd it is in particular the unwavering commitment of these parties to remaining socially reactionary by the standards their respective societies which has alienated young people from membership for years.
The Greek and British ML parties all remain firmly commited to rejecting LGBT people at any cost to their popularity. This hard right wing social stance is in part why Greens and Trots are now so big the the UK, and why Syriza and Anarchists are big in Greece.
Why is this relevant to the Venezuela topic? Because with that background knowledge, it should surprise nobody when these so-called MList parties choose to support anti-Communist and anti-Socialist candidates around the world based on alignment to social views - which to them is the more significant issue over economics.
It should therefore surprise nobody when the Greek "MList" KKE supported the right wing opposition against Maduro in Venezuela for example.
To the KKE, the general vibe of appearing traditional, conservative, masculine, and definitely NOT GAY, etc matters more than being a Marxist or a socialist when selecting their allies.
This issue, as far as I'm aware doesn't seem to appear in France, Italy, Spain, etc where MList parties today are either socially progressive or welcome people of all positions on social topics.
Also, I'm not trying to dig at MLs overall because certainly there are good people amongst them, but there is certainly a sub-group of right wing MLs in Europe who will openly support a right wing social conservative over a socially progressive communist.
I don't know anything about the US situation but I think maybe the ACP and Hazites are a similar phenomenon? But only maybe like 50 years younger than the average Euro who is pulling the same schtick.
Even then I would assume even the ACP aren't deranged enought to be openly anti-Maduro just because his opponent was the more culturally conservative, right?
>>2627940Nothing happened. Stealing a president won't change a country's course. Thinking otherwise is undialectical and unmaterialistic. Venezuela's economic interests create the specific Venezuelan political features, obviously, and as long as USA doesn't change it's stance to appeasement, economic help, loans, investments, Venezuela will firmly remain in China's sphere
>>2627677The US put weapons in Turkey that the Soviets didn't like. How did the Soviets respond to this? They didn't worry about provoking their "American partners." They didn't use the battered-wife logic of "We mustn't defend our interests - America could cause WW3." They didn't give a televised speech commiserating with the US president that he didn't receive a Nobel. They didn't dispatch a Kirill Dmitriev-like envoy figure to the US to call the US president "daddy," to try to sell Russia out, to release actual or generated footage of him surfing in Florida in a heinous act of disrespect to the Russian people. They simply put weapons in Cuba that America didn't like. Cold. Simple. America freaked out and then backed down, pulling the weapons from Turkey and vowing not to invade Cuba. Everything else is immaterial. America. Backed. Down. Only reason it's reconsidering its Cuba vow now is that a Yeltsinite wimp is Russian president who fails to respond not only to Western-directed attacks against his civilian infrastructure and nuclear triad but also to attempts on his own life. The West sees that the Russia that destroyed Nazi Germany in four years and stormed Berlin is now the Russia spending four years fighting for podunk villages in the boondocks of eastern Ukraine.
>>2627948>the reason why MLs are le bad is because they are anti-LGBT, while historically opportunistic and wrecker Trots are more popular only because MLs are anti-LGBT!The real reason why is because Trots are the same dough as Socdems and make exactly same decisions as Socdems.
>Cuba said on Sunday that 32 of its citizens had been killed in the U.S. attacks in Venezuela, including military or intelligence personnel — a rare public signal of Cuba’s importance to Venezuela and the Maduro government.
>Now it appears that some of those Cubans may have died when U.S. forces swept in on Saturday. Venezuela said on Sunday that the preliminary death count in the attacks was 80.
>>2627948> Particularly Eastern Europe, Greece and oddly also the UK The U.K. is the Eastern Europe of Western Europe
>In a statement posted on Instagram and other social media channels, Delcy Rodríguez, the new acting president, said that Venezuela “aspires to live without external threats” and “has a right to sovereignty.” But in saying so, she took a more conciliatory tack.
>“We extend an invitation to the U.S. government to work together on a cooperative agenda, oriented toward shared development, within the framework of international law, and to strengthen lasting community coexistence,” she wrote.
>In a news conference announcing Mr. Maduro’s capture on Saturday, President Trump said that Ms. Rodríguez had spoken to Secretary of State Marco Rubio and agreed to cooperate in a transition government.
>But hours later, Ms. Rodríguez gave a fiery speech in which she accused the United States of invading the country. She called for Mr. Maduro’s return.
>Mr. Trump publicly threatened her, telling The Atlantic on Sunday that “if she doesn’t do what’s right, she is going to pay a very big price.”
>Addressing Mr. Trump in her statement, Ms. Rodríguez said: “Our people and our region deserve peace and dialogue, not war. That has always been President Nicolás Maduro’s position, and it is the position of all of Venezuela at this moment. That is the Venezuela I believe in, the Venezuela to which I have dedicated my life. My dream is for Venezuela to be a great power where all good Venezuelans can come together.”
>>2627954Yes, it is a bad thing if ML parties in progressive European nations refuse to budge on being anti-homosexuality. It is 2026 after all. It is a recipe for irrelevance and extinction.
That said you are correct, broadly speaking, about the Trots.
In any case, thanks for totally ignoring the point I was trying to make in my post, which is that the bigger issue is European MLs choosing to side with right wing candidates over communist candidates just because they hate the progressive social positions of other communists so intensely.
MLs in Greece actively supported the fall of Maduro because the other guy was more anti-gay. Think about that.
>>2627948>It should therefore surprise nobody when the Greek "MList" KKE supported the right wing opposition against Maduro in Venezuela for example … Even then I would assume even the ACP aren't deranged enought to be openly anti-Maduro just because his opponent was the more culturally conservative, right?Wait, hold on a second, I thought the KKE is backing the opposition because their own fraternal partners are the PCV which is now in opposition as well. Like there has been a real falling out in Venezuela between the PSUV and the communists to their left. Is that right? I'd have to go check in on the byzantine politics that comprises Solidnet communiques, but that doesn't strike me as ACP types, they come across to me as more like straight Maduro fanclub types.
>>2627717agreement of the first council of ministers with Delcy as president.
Nothing interesting, two commisions for the freement of maduro and commision for what seems to be autarky
<Venezuela Juche >>2627973My mistake, in the video do not talk about foreign relations
>>2627948>it should surprise nobody when these so-called MList parties choose to support anti-Communist and anti-Socialist candidates around the world based on alignment to social views - which to them is the more significant issue over economics. What economics are the Green/Trot parties "values compatible" to bourgeois lib parties they ally themselves with geopolitically bringing to Venezuela?
Before you say the primary motivation for those parties is gaybashing and solidarity with gaybashing cultures, you need to quantify what economics the alternative is offering?
>gaza bombed
>maduro captured
>hezb defeated
>iran blown up
BRUH when is multipolarism supposed to happen? cuz it looks like the vvest may win
>>2627967But they are not anti-homosexual, though. They refuse to make LGBT issues to be their main issue. Unlike female liberation, LGBT has no real world application.
>European MLs choosing to side with right wing candidatesMao did say that it's easier to find common ground with foreign rightists than with foreign leftists. For the simple reason of rightists, generally, being less culture war and more blatant profit extraction
>>2627976Really? Because empires die when they overstretch themselves, but of course that's not happening to the vvest when rates of depression are low and statistics show prosperity is growing for the commoner
>>2627966
>92
what are the odds the judge dies before the trial begins
>>2627717>"We extend an invitation to the U.S. government to work together on a cooperation agenda."I know who told them to do this, and don't pretend you don't know either :) Let's leave it unsaid. Point is that it's telegraphing weakness.
>>2628004You cretins are absolutely desperate to blame US imperialism on anyone other than the US, aren’t you?
>>2627948>I don't know anything about the US situation but I think maybe the ACP and Hazites are a similar phenomenon? yeah i think so PSL/CPUSA arent like that and neither are most american tankie podcasts streamers or youtubers its just the brit ones
>>2627967>MLs in Greeceafter much study they are literally still pissed about the ussr not invading greece and just have a ton of trauma from gladio thinking they were betrayed by the world which is kinda understandble but cmon
So far the consensus I’m seeing online is a lot of:
>”I’m glad Maduro is gone, BUUUUT”
>”America isn’t the leader of the free world anymore T-T”
>”Even though this is an objectively good thing, I still hate Trump!”
The libs are confused because they swallowed so much anti-Maduro propaganda they’re trying to make this about “executive overreach” because they can’t just say the act was bad in itself.
Also some Euros are saying “this PROVES that Americans are as servile and pathetic as Russians and the Chinese!” Which is funny. Just pure Nazi race science when they’re mad.
>>2628005they did the same with Maduro, and lo and behold, he's abducted, proving he never betrayed his people.
>>2628004do you want to know what traitors really do? yeltsin dissolved the USSR legal frame that gave birth to the troika, bypassing the powers laid on the three figures and taking his own personal decision above that troika. Were Delcy a traitor, she would have torn the constitution by now, especially that one law that Chavez promoted to give more control to oil profits, instead of giving it paying way less, and she hasn't done that.
>>2628005What a dumb read of that.
>>2628012What does that have anything to do with the fact that telegraphing weakness to a psychopathic aggressor is never a smart move?
>>2627640>False beliefs don't constitute knowledge.They can. Example:
A = 2 + 2 = 5 (false)
B = 3 + 3 = 6 (true)
(A + B) x 0 = 0 (true, even though A is false)
>>2628013Probably the most tiring post to read on leftypol
>no you just didn't read the post the way I'd like it to have been read >>2628017you really need go back to school tomorrow and make an effort on your reading skills.
>>2628019They're three separate propositions and have three separate truth values. To claim that false beliefs can constitute knowledge flies in the face of the "justified
true belief" model of knowledge that's been the mainstream epistemological take for centuries.
>>2628022You need to see a shrink for your thought disorder.
>>2627976If he pulls the trigger on Greenland you’ll see the real fireworks begin
>>2628025right back at ya.
>>2628020what happened to your flag?
Oh but I called the US psychopathic! I'm not letting them off THAT easily!
>>2628031we know you you are. this is just silly.
>>2628030What flag are you referring to?
>>2627873Curtis is so lame lol. He
wishes he was as esoteric and mysterious as Nick Land. Both complete retards, but at least Nick is entertaining
>>2628035Must be an easy job dropping the most patently obvious sarcasm takes on social media. I envy those who can get it, especially if they're able to Substack themselves as well.
Ooooh who might have possibly encouraged Venezuela to give in to dialogue with the US under threat of US attacks? Well we all know who it is and it's not the US with its threats and attacks :)
Mostly a lot of luck is involved. I've seen plenty of anons here who are 100x wittier and sharper than anything I've seen on Shitter, yet I know if they were to try building a following on social media, they're be toiling in obscurity.
>it's not a cosmic conspiracy
Wrong!!! :) Because I also know if they leveled down and imitated the level of mediocrity that does well, they wouldn't reap rewards simply because they're deserving of those rewards.
At least this general is active now and it's not just Denganon vs. the mod who likes dunking on some aspects of BRICS.
>>2628041Unfortunately it is being swarmed by namefags trying to parasite off the new activity.
>>2627696Twitter needs to be nuked from orbit
>>2628042It seems more like it's being swarmed by the general swarm leftypol suffers of westoids trying to blame the rest of the world for westoid imperialism
>>2628046>I get to pick and choose what discussions are allowed in my view of the threadmy my the hypocrisy
>>2628029>You have to escalate wherever the US escalates or you're facilitating the US escalating freelyEscalation isn't the only alternative to telegraphing weakness. HTH.
Why is it telegraphing weakness? Because 2025-2026 has shown that the Trump administration takes offers of negotiation/cooperation as weakness and arranges decap strikes or in this case extractions.
Lykeeeee dude!!! It's literally how we got here in the first place.
>>2628023The example given is a justified true belief.
>>2627972Eh this wasn't unexpected, he was the only Iraqi Shi'ite leader to celebrate the fall of al-Assad.
>>2628047By having a blanket no namefags policy I'm not picking anything, they all go in the filter whether I agree with them or not.
There's still plenty of Anonymous retards but they at least aren't claiming to be more important than they are.
02:55 GMT
President Trump has warned that Cuba “looks like it’s ready to fall,” with the country’s economy facing collapse after the cutoff of Venezuelan oil supplies.
“Cuba now has no income. They got all of their income from Venezuela… they’re not getting any of it,” Trump said.
>>2628054If you have a filter, you have picked viewpoints you've as an individual decided you're above, you're then boasting about that in a thread like anyone cares plus you're not applying a name to yourself so others might follow your advice an exclude the self-important from their own individual views of the thread, everyone is FORCED to at least briefly witness how important you think your opinion is to people other than yourself.
I mean my word, what word even describes that level of hypocrisy?
>>2628058>If you don't rub shit on your face you are shitJust put back on your trips
>>2628051No it's not.
False beliefs never constitute knowledge in any mainstream epistemological model. Even attacks like Gettier attacks on the "justified
true belief" conditions of knowledge don't eliminate the
true condition; they propose additional conditions.
The only false belief there is 2+2=5, so this is the false belief that you would have to demonstrate constitutes knowledge, and you haven't shown that at all. The fact that (A + B) x 0 = (5 + 6) x 0 = 0 is true, by the zero-product property, has nothing to do with the erroneous belief that 2 + 2 = 5.
>>2628059You're telling me that you're not rubbing shit in your own face, inadvertently rubbing yours in mine, I didn't ask for that sir
>Cuba said on Sunday that 32 of its citizens had been killed in the U.S. attacks in Venezuela, including military or intelligence personnel — a rare public signal of Cuba’s importance to Venezuela and the Maduro government.
>President Miguel Díaz-Canel of Cuba said the casualties were personnel from the country’s armed forces or its interior ministry who were on a mission at the request of Venezuela, according to Cuban state media. “Our compatriots fulfilled their duty with dignity and heroism and fell, after fierce resistance, in direct combat against the attackers or as a result of the bombings,” Mr. Díaz-Canel said. He announced two days of mourning.
>The revelation was an exceptional public admission by Cuba, whose leftist government has deep, longstanding ties with Venezuela’s, that its agents are in the country.
>For years, Cuba has sent thousands of its citizens to Venezuela in exchange for oil. Many of them are teachers and doctors, but they also include intelligence agents and security guards.
>The New York Times reported in December that, in the face of increasing U.S. military pressure, President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela had expanded Cuban bodyguards’ role in his personal security and placed more Cuban counterintelligence agents in Venezuela’s military. The idea, in essence, was to protect himself from a coup.
>Now it appears that some of those Cubans may have died when U.S. forces swept in on Saturday. Venezuela said on Sunday that the preliminary death count in the attacks was 80.https://archive.is/BVUO6P >>2628060Inconsequential to the point that you can arrive at true beliefs from false beliefs.
05 January 2026
04:51 GMT
Venezuela has paid tribute to 32 Cuban soldiers killed during the US attack on Venezuelan soil, describing their deaths as the result of a “criminal and disgraceful” assault.
”These personnel were operating within the framework of cooperation between sovereign states and were carrying out tasks related to institutional protection and defense. Their actions were distinguished by bravery, discipline, and an unbreakable commitment to peace and regional stability,” Foreign Minister Yvan Gil Pinto said in a statement, expressing the country’s “deepest solidarity” with the government and people of Cuba.
>>2628005Yup, i blame it on capital. US is just a tool.
>>2628064god that sucks. may they rest in peace.
>>2627976But the world is already multipolar
>>2627976What do you think multipolarism means?
>>2628058>muh hippo-crussynobody cares about that. to be hypocritical is to wield power. to not be hypocritical is to be powerless. the essence of power is preventing others from doing things that you yourself do.
>>2628075My point stands, even according to your AI crutch.
>>2628084All you have to do is show one epistemological model in which a false belief is accepted as knowledge. I predict either you'll dodge this request or ignore, and I intend to take as your concession of defeat.
Where will Trump hit next? Cuba or Greenland? Maybe Mexico? Anyone gotta wildcard opinion?
>>2627640>False beliefs don't constitute knowledge. >>2628087I've shown they can. That's all.
>inb4 autism about what constitutes constitution >>2628093Concession accepted.
>>2628089I think the most likely target is Cuba
>>2628095>I've moved the goalpost + chatGPTSure, buddy.
>>2628089i think cuba then greenland then mexico. but he could do all three at once. greenland won't even require a military operation
>>2628100Mods, permaban all philosophers.
>>2628100>>2628093Already addressed. I won't let you move the goalpost.
>>2628104Back to containment:
>>2626512 >>2628102Greenland has a population of 56,000. Which is roughly equal to the number of US citizens who die of fentanyl and heroin overdoses per year.
It's another country the US military could take in a day, but it would really sour things with Europe.
>>2628108You even admitted your supposed counterexample was true.
From
>>2628019:
A = 2 + 2 = 5 (false)
B = 3 + 3 = 6 (true)
(A + B) x 0 = 0 (
true, even though A is false)
So your counterexample to the claim that "False beliefs don't constitute knowledge" was to present a true belief and call that a counterexample. Weirdo chud.
>>2628112Logical operations can render false premises irrelevant. The false premise didn't disappear, however. It remains
constituting the whole.
This is when you move analytical philosophy out of its autism containment into the real world which follows dialectical rules. Sometimes two wrongs can make one right. Sorry that reality doesn't conform to your rigid autism.
>>2628088the problem is that modern young men are too docile because of video games and the internet
back in the day young men would get bored/frustrated and engage in revolutionary adventurism
>>2628112Cant one know false things?
yes but who agreed justified true believe is constitutive of genuine knowledge
as all true marxists know a thing is only correct if written down by marx engels lenin stalin or mao
How do you know 2+2=5 is false?
>>2628109What containment?
>>262811990% of our beliefs are incorrect but good enough (operative).
The Principia Mathematica takes 162 to prove 1+1=2.
Please could you both take your mathematics and formal logic asses elsewhere…
>>2628121You out-anglo'd yourself.
>>2628117Your confusion actually rests on a stupid equivocation of what 'A' is. In
>A = 2 + 2 = 5'A' is actually a proposition label denoting "2 + 2 = 5"
But in
>(A + B) x 0 = 0 (true, even though A is false)You've equivocated on A. You're no longer actually saying
>(2 + 2 = 5 + B) x 0 = 0which is meaningless syntax. You're instead trying to use 'A' either as 2+2 or as 5, and neither of these two expressions has any truth value whatsoever.
>>2628133use a tripcode please
>>2628121>only dogmatists can disagree with me!This is why anglos can't into dialectics. They even made a whole school of pseudo-Marxism called analytical Marxism to justify their autism. "In everywhere except reality we are right" is your motto.
why are we arguing about math in the US-Venezuela war thread
>>2628133"Truth value" has little value in most of real cases if a process is proven operative.
>>2628138Believe it or not, what is discussed here in the abstract is applicable to the happening at hand, even if it goes beyond your comprehension.
>>2628110maybe. but that souring wouldn't result in anything in the short term. specially with the russia situation.
A = Maduro is a druglord (false)
B = we can snatch him (true)
C = we just snatched him
Anglo philosophy:
>But that's where you are wrong, kiddo! Your premise had no truth value! Maduro is still in Caracas!
Grok, check my logic! :^)
>>2628119>Cant one know false things?No. One can believe false things, but one can't know false things. Even the pseuds trying to Hegel their way out of this are mistaken. Hegel accepted false as part of the process TOWARD knowledge but not as knowledge in themselves. I swear this board is being swamped by 4chuds. I've seen this argument used to mock Hegel. Another 4chud favorite is mocking Marx on the differential calculus.
Anyone got any articles or quick videos that debunk the “narco terrorist” narrative? I know people that could use it.
>>2628149 (me)
>accepted false asfalse beliefs*
>>2628143You really took your mom's unconditional praise too much to heart and now you think you're a special boy whose words are entitled to be heard by every person on Earth.
You have never even once in your life had any kind of introspection, really asked yourself "What if I'm wrong? What if I'm a giant retard?"
>>2628149Belief requires knowledge
>>2628149Belief is knowledge. Hegel said that btw
>>2628149>Hegel accepted false as part of the process TOWARD knowledge but not as knowledge in themselvesThere are no knowledges in themselves.
So I think we can agree that Trump is gonna be about as bad for the world as Reagan was, right?
>>2628150Ben Norton youtube
Religion is knowledge
>>2628163Mods permaban CPUSA anon for great Trump theory forever
>>2628156>>2628160There is literally no serious person (maybe not even an unserious person, for that matter) in Anglo or Continental philosophy who would argue that false beliefs can be knowledge. What you will see are doubts, sometimes extreme doubts, about the possibility of knowledge. You will see vaguely Vedantic/Zen arguments, Westoid style, about whether true/false is a useful dualism.
>>2628165You are back here:
>>2628121You are running in anglo circles.
>>2628170Hegel said belief is a form of unmediated knowledge, though, same as our sensual experience and shit
>>2628166You genuinely have no clue what “great man theory” is
>>2628163in the short term yes, in the long run? he's a fantastically incompetent boomer who's speedrunning the dissolution of a 400 year old slaver cartel. it hurts like passing a hard shit, and like a hard shit it's going to be satisfying to flush it.
>>2628170Whatever you mean by false belief, a belief that isnt belief? Are you differentiating belief and its content?
>chuddies in here would be the first to have an aneurysm if someone claimed that "Donny Trump is the Christcuck Antichrist," a false belief, could be something KNOWN.
>>2628163Not even close. Reagen & Thatcher reined in a new world consensus. Trump is tearing it down.
>>2628175You genuinly should be permabanned
>>2628177nice source buddy
>>2628184i cbf to look up your angloisms i just know justified true belief is something academics say and that its undialectical
Hegel said belief is knowledge, trust me bro
>>2628118small brain: video games make you violent
normal brain: video games have no effect
galaxy brain: video games make you nonviolent couch potato easy to control
>>2628179A false belief is a belief that isn't true.
If I believe "I have a 12-inch schlong" when the truth is (as it in fact is) that I have an embarrassing chode, then I have a false belief.
I don't think philosophodork discussion is necessarily bad as we await more on-topic events.
>>2628190
You mean a belief that isnt factual. And facts can change or something. You theoretically can get a 12 inch bbc throwgh surgery. Anyway, a belief that isnt true is no belief. True and factual are not same yeah?
>>2628187im nta and the post about only marx being correct was a joke.
really tho knowledge comes from practice not thinking about things that should be pretty obvious
US President Donald Trump’s brushing aside of opposition leader Maria Corina Machado as a potential interim leader of Venezuela, stems from her decision to accept the Nobel Peace Prize last year, the Washington Post reports.
Citing two sources close to the White House, the report says that Machado’s efforts to praise Trump after she won the award were not enough to placate the US president, who openly covets the award and feels he deserved to receive it.
“If she had turned it down and said, ‘I can’t accept it because it’s Donald Trump’s,’ she’d be the president of Venezuela today,” one of the sources says.
Machado’s acceptance of the prize was an “ultimate sin,” the person says.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/01/04/us-venezuela-plan-trump-rubio-miller/>>2628196>You mean a belief that isnt factual.The orthodox epistemic starting model on both sides of the Atlantic is called Justified True Belief in the literature.
>Anyway, a belief that isnt true is no beliefIt's not knowledge. Beliefs can be wrong. Like, we commonly accept that Bible-thumpers have beliefs that are wrong.
petro has been posting non-stop in X on the situation, and he seems very, very, very worried for an intervention in Colombia, Maduro-kidnap style.
>>2628206Wrong is not same as false.
>>2628148>A = Maduro is a druglord (false)>B = we can snatch him (true)>C = we just snatched himThere is no false belief here that can be said to constitute knowledge. B and C are true, so therefore the can't be false beliefs. That leaves only A, which is a false belief. Now we ask whether that false belief constitutes knowledge. Are you really saying the Yanks
know Maduro is a druglord?
>>2628008>Also some Euros are saying “this PROVES that Americans are as servile and pathetic as Russians and the Chinese!” Which is funny. Just pure Nazi race science when they’re mad.The bad news is that the general response from Americans to this doesn't help disprove that theory…
>>2628218If you prefer the word false, we also commonly argue that Christcucks hold beliefs that are false.
>>2628163Definitely no, if anything he is tearing it down. Bush Jr. was way worse and Trump is Obama-tier.
>>2628219Are you saying A isn't a crucial part of the whole process, i.e. constitutive?
>>2628224Their belief is true if its sincere. It is false if it just an appearance and their heard doesnt believe
>>2628206Justified true belief is either a tautology or justified and true here mean different things. My guess is justified means argued for while true means sincere belief
>>2628206>The orthodox epistemic starting model on both sides of the Atlantic is called Justified True Belief in the literature.Woah a double anglow~
>>2628177Many people don't subscribe to the 'justified true belief' model of knowledge. Some anti-Gettier models, for instance, are highly regarded, as noted way upthread. But this is different from saying that Marx and Hegel considered false beliefs knowledge, which is a typical 4chud argument that used to be spammed on /lit/.
>>2628181>Reagen & Thatcher reined in a new world consensus.I am pretty sure that consensus was the bretton-woods. now, they agreed on the neoliberalism consensus, but on the basis of the bretton-woods accords. I'd say, the re-branded consensus, to effectively fight against communism.
True and false pertains to whole syllogism and not to a part of it, no?
>>2628236Hegels said belief is knowledge, though
>>2628228>>2628219Was there knowledge "out there" in the universe before humanity came to be? Was it then "discovered" by humans? Is knowledge something static/abstract or a social process/concrete?
>>2628236False beliefs means insincere declaration of adhering to some stuff
>>2628231Big true true vs small true true.
>>2628236>But this is different from saying that Marx and Hegel considered false beliefs knowledgeyeah idk if/why people are saying that i think its just shitposting. im just defending
>>2628121>yes but who agreed justified true believe is constitutive of genuine knowledgewhich was the sincere half of my post based on intuition and idk why im getting called anglo for it when i fact checked with gemini and my intuition was correct and now have provided sources from marx lenin and mao
Mods, permaban these philosophy chuds. Philosophy is chud coded. Also, hegel really did say that belief is knowledge, trust me bro
>>2628229>Their belief is true if its sincere. It is false if it just an appearance and their heard doesnt believeThis isn't what true and false mean in epistemology. A belief is described as true or false in accordance with its correspondence to some consensus reality. A "false belief" doesn't mean "this person doesn't actually hold that belief." It means "this holds a belief that doesn't correspond to some consensus reality."
>>2628246>muh epistemology>talks about beliefReally?
>>2628236>But this is different from saying that Marx and Hegel considered false beliefs knowledgeMarx's angle is entirely different: consciousness as human process. Many "knowledges" today are examples of "false consciousness".
>>2628246>muh consensusTake your bourgeois consensus elsewhere
It is simple really. Everything in our head is knowledge. It is that simple.
>>2628246>consensus realityThat's a very convoluted way to say "bourgeois academia".
>>2628253As simple as saying that this is le interimperialist conflict
>>2628236>Some anti-Gettier models, for instance, are highly regarded,yeah but this is just more analytic brainworms that accept the original premise that knowledge comes from circlejerking in the library so you can pretend hegel was never born and so you dont have to read marx
>>2628253>The veins inside my skull are knowledgeHow do I veinmaxx?
Philosophy is chud coded mods permaban this thomist or whatever he is
>chuddies: Marx and Hegel said false beliefs are knowledge!
Probably the easiest way to make these chuddies too scared to push their luck itt is to ask whether the false belief "Marx and Hegel are garbage" is knowledge.
>>2628246>some consensus realitybut reality is objective not determined by subjective consensus
thats point one from thesis of flowerback
>>2628261 (me)
…or, given possible protests about the nature of literary opinion, maybe the chuddies would like to tell us whether the false belief
>Donald Trump is the reincarnation of Karl Maxis knowledge.
>>2628264>MaxMarx*
Again, my JapESL brain glitches at the most embarrassing times. At least I spelled it right in the first one, I guess
>>2628261You know that opinion though
>>2628268Knowledge in my head is a protective force-field wrapped around that mere opinion. My mind is anglo-maxxed. All my knowledges sre justified and consensus based. The veins in my brain wrap themselves around your false unjustified beliefs and continue to pump truth blood into my brain.
i cant tell who is on what side of the argument
>>2628252>some consensus reality>someThat can be leftist consensus. You're welcome.
>>2628261If it is not knowledge, how were you able to convey it to us without knowing it?
proletarian standpoint epistemology > justified true belief
>>2628275If I tell you that the moon is made of cheese, is that knowledge?
Mods permaban this metaphysicist thomist japcel NOW!!!
>>2628280It would be your knowledge of your own opinion. Yep.
>>2628280If you have a consensus behind it it's an indicative of a start towards the cheesefication knowledge, yes.
>>2628282The knowledge proposition isn't:
"It's my opinion that the moon is made of cheese."
It's
"The moon is made of cheese."
Losing tons of respect for this board rn.
>>2628279Glasses < Masses
(This is what they fear.)
>>2627946>kke >eurocom they're a lotta things and some are pretty shit but they're not eurocoms, do more research on the communist parties you wanna rag on about
>Losing tons of respect for this board rn.
Bwahahaha, oh, wow
>>2628285It is your opinion regardless. You are human not some abstract whatever. Conversations are between humans. It matters who says what
>>2628285Damn, words just exist in aether by themselves huh?
1. louis armstrong brings back a glass of cottage cheese he says he collected from the moon's surface
2. NASA scientists confirm it
3. 99% of humanity now believe the moon is cheese, they teach it in schools, theoretical physicians make new models where other planets might be Gouda- or Mozzarella-based
Cheesified. True. Belief.
>>2628291Let's suppose I'm dumb enough to really hold the opinion that the moon is made of cheese.
There is a difference between
1) the belief I hold: "The moon is made of cheese" (a false belief)
2) another belief available to me: "It's my opinion that the moon is made of cheese." (a true belief)
I refuse to believe that there are genuine leftists here who can't draw this distinction. Chudtroll explanation holds. Good luck.
>>2628295You are so self-involved and humorless you proceed to call fun and social people nazis who dunk on your goalpost moving and bourgeois academism.
You are right: Reddit is more up your alley.
>>2628297>I'm just pretending to be stupid for funGrow up, manchild.
Playing dumb in unfunny ways is actually more Reddit-coded than being a stiff, no-fun scold realizing the urgency of the moment.
>>2628295Both are knowledge
>Now clear as fuck Maduro was sold out by Delcy and his inner circle
>Literally half the faggots in this thread were having meltdowns and reporting me to the mods over me saying that
L M A O. Get on your knees and kiss my boots you fucking retards. The levels of copium from the turd worldists in here is always hilarious.
"noooo our totally heckin awesome succdem was a real coommunist, nooooo there was no corruption in venezuela none, it's all an imperialist lie noooooooo"
The truth is that "false beliefs" were always part of our consensus-based "true beliefs" – even a cursory look at philosophy of science or history of ideas makes this obvious. Only from the autism box of academia can you concieve of knowledge (that your ilk has) vs. the ignorance of the masses, laying bare the class character of your enterprise. In reality everything is a dirty process – you just developed an OCD with mental hygiene, only to end up just as dirty mentally, dressing up nothing more than the wounds of class society as your distinguishing mark in society.
The dialectical approach in understanding the split and unity between the false consciousness of the elite and that of the masses have been already adressed by Adorno in detail. Too bad there's no "consensus" behind that part of his work.
>>2628299I'm not just funnier than you but also truthier. That's the real sting, nerd.
>11) Posts should, overall, be conductive to an informed and productive discussion. /leftypol/ is not an academic journal, but it also should not be a cesspit of back and forth bickering and pointless insults. Users should attempt to argue for the point they are presenting in an honest and open way and should be receptive to information or arguments that do, in fact, challenge their views.
Can the "lol im being stupid on purpose" children go back to Reddit please?
>>2627946
>ΚΚΕ>EurocomsΗ μαλακίες εδώ έχουν ξεπεράσει τα ποιο γέλια όρια.
Tsipras was from the eurocom faction of synaspismos ffs. The whole program of Syriza was socdemism while trying desperately to remain in the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Greece_(Interior)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaxbRmPVVTMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8FNcYuUln4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF_YmSFnOwA(And I swear to god the of suggesting that armed struggled in 2012-15 would have in any way not been a ridiculous adventurist disaster demands a level of delusion that surprises me even for the worthless degenerates of this board)
>>2628300>My autism is actually a superpowerDo women fall for that?
>>2628302>Now clear as fuck Maduro was sold out by Delcy and his inner circleStill no proof nor solid indications of this. If anything Delcy is back to the standard Maduro line: no war, yes diplomacy. Which is basically the UN consensus too.
>>2628307>Users should attempt to argue for the point they are presenting in an honest and open way and should be receptive to information or arguments that do, in fact, challenge their views.When have the rules ever mattered on leftypol. Half The Nu-r/TheDeprogram tier users here literally run to the mods and have pissing and shitting meltdowns the moment they hear a word or position they don't like and the dipshit mods will ban you for having positions that are word for word the exact same as Marx.
>should be receptive to information or arguments that do, in fact, challenge their views.Yeah maybe the mods and jannies themselves should reread this part a lot because they sure as fuck don't get it anymore.
>>2628306Your idea of humor (pretending to be stupid, which is probably cope, but whatever) is in the same league as a "lol, and then I turned 360 degrees and walked away" /pol/tard. It's clear you don't have the capacity to be anything more.
>>2628311Absolute copium dude. She's literally officially selling out as we speak.
As I said, a week of kayfabe then it will be selling out to the US and showing this entire thing was a farce. We didn't even make it to a week though.
>>2628314This is me:
>>2628303And also me:
>>2628293I'm more fun and more well-read than you are, fyi.
>>2628285>respect for this boardi mean
>>2628300what if they are actually dumb and i find it funny anway
>>2628319Bwahaha, anglo cope. Can't into dialectics, fun, etc.
There was more Marx in Monty Python than in your academic ilk combined.
Anyway, the more interesting thing now (now that Venezuela is sucking US cock lmao) is how will the show trial occur.
A fucking paralegal could tear apart the case against Maduro with fucking ease, the indictment is so fucking absurd it's crazy. No way this thing isn't a complete sham show trial, but if that is the case, then how do they present this to the American public, especially when Social media will be tearing this whole thing apart.
>>2628319Ask Grok to explain what was said in the Adorno post in simpler terms. That might help you get up to speed.
>>2628303>concieveEven a pomo generator is less embarrassing.
>The dialectical approach in understanding the split and unity between the false consciousness of the elite and that of the masses have been So well-read and erudite, huh? You joke of a pseud who fails basic subject-verb agreement.
>>2628322>now that Venezuela is sucking US cock lmaowasn't exxon already there
>>2628325I'm a non-native speaker writing on my fucking phone while taking a huge hangovere'd shit. I'm glad we mived onto grammar policing.
>>2628327>mivedDebunked. Downvoted.
>>2628327So am I. That excuse won't work, pseud.
>>2628323I'm not ultraleft, nor have I ever reported anybody on Leftypol.
Reporting and snitching on people on a fucking imageboard is fucking terrible behaviour and the mods have honestly ruined this fucking community compared to pre-Assadist BO with their hyper-partisan moderation and encouraging the userbase to be as pathetically thin skinned as possible.
On classic leftypol we would mock the shit tier moderation of reddit Socialism subs, now it's the EXACT same here.
Strict moderation should only be on /edu/, /leftypol/ should basically be /pol/ tier hands off moderation.
>fails basic English grammar
>considers himself/herself/itself qualified to discuss nuances of English meaning in philosophy
You little punk.
>>2628330why does you flag have four stars
–FRED THULL==
Thread full.
Note to next baker:Use the superior list:
>>2627307>>2628326It's been slowly occurring for a while now yes.
Don't get me wrong, nabbing Maduro is an obvious illegal sham. The issue is though Maduro and his Government are just ultra-courrupt Succdems. The PSUV were not a good faith "Socialist" project and the only single good benefit of them was being friends with Cuba.
If Venezuela was actually run functionally and not through mass carousel fraud by it's corrupt organized crime tier leadership, Venezuela and Cuba could have ended up major powers in the region. Now they're cucks who can't even shoot down a single AH-6 Littlebird yeeting the literal fucking President because the CIA shoved $50 in the right pockets.
>>2628330I report you though, on sight.
>>2628331>academy retard is a grammar nazisurprise!
>>2628338The utopian non-reporter vs the pragmatist reporter
new thread
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>>2628340>>2628334I'd bake more of these threads, but honestly, the insistence on archive.ph'ing makes it too annoying. Just have it like the /ukr/ general, where you have to change only the title number, one prevthread link, and a cute edition msg.
>>2628309>(And I swear to god the of suggesting that armed struggled in 2012-15 would have in any way not been a ridiculous adventurist disaster demands a level of delusion that surprises me even for the worthless degenerates of this board)>>2628309>(And I swear to god the of suggesting that armed struggled in 2012-15 would have in any way not been a ridiculous adventurist disaster demands a level of delusion that surprises me even for the worthless degenerates of this board)The anarchists did take up some level of armed struggle in that time post '08. It didn't go very well, yea.
>>2628344you can just use the browser extension and its one click
>>2628315It is the same rhetoric as before. Still have no proof lf sellout
>>2627142According to an official statement released by the Cuban government on Sunday, 32 Cuban officers were killed during the US operation (codenamed "Operation Absolute Resolve").
Total Death Toll: While reports vary, the total death toll of the raid is estimated to be around 80 people.
Cuban Acknowledgment: Havana declared two days of official mourning. The Cuban state statement claimed their nationals "fell after fierce resistance in direct combat against the attackers," fulfilling their duties to "security and defense."
The deaths occurred during the pre-dawn raid by US forces (reportedly Delta Force and other special operations units) on January 3, 2026, which resulted in the extraction of Nicolás Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, to the United States.
Role of the Cubans: The Cuban nationals were embedded within Maduro's inner security circle. Intelligence reports prior to the raid indicated that Maduro had become increasingly paranoid, replacing much of his Venezuelan security detail with Cuban agents whom he trusted more implicitly.
Tactics: Reports suggest these Cuban guards were operating under strict "low-tech" protocols (avoiding cell phones) to evade US electronic surveillance. However, US human intelligence (HUMINT) and physical surveillance reportedly bypassed these measures.
The Firefight: The high number of Cuban casualties suggests they put up the primary resistance at the specific compound (likely in or near Fuerte Tiuna) where Maduro was sheltering.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/cuba-says-32-cuban-officers-were-killed-in-us-action-in-venezuela/ >>2628346But I use the board by typing out manual curl commands. Sometimes I also just telnet in with my SSL-ified telnet client and type out the raw HTTP requests.
>>2628364how do you bypass cloudflare checks, schizo?
>>2628357>However, US human intelligence (HUMINT) and physical surveillance reportedly bypassed these measures.Remember guys, no evidence of anybody from Maduro's inner circle and the PSUV working with the US, none, whatsoever, No evidence, no… evidence…
L M A O.
I love being right and having the mods even ban me for it.
>>2628357It is clear that there were many traitors in the entourage of Maduro.
>>2628350>Entire air defence including layers and layers of new Russian anti-air just all turned off>Report after report of Maduro being tracked by people around him>Delcy literally cucking Maduro 2 days later>Maduro himself didn't trust anybody in the PSUV and tried to replace people close to him with Ideologically Communist CubansNO EVIDENCE, NOOO THERE ISN'T NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Let me drink those copium tears. Maybe run to the mods again to get me banned because you can't stand blatant fucking reality punching you in the face.
>>2628380My uncle works for CloudFlare and whitelists me, of course.
>>2628395-Delcy soldout
>still hasn't been 48 hours to even determine anything especially as Washington warns they will swoop in again if demands aren't met>Even if Delcy sold-out there are hardliners and the communes who would coup her. >PSUV has opportunists just like Communist Party of Cuba and the CPSU. There is always a faction that want westernization and surrender. Maduro had a good amount of allies it is yet to be seen if Delcy is one. We will wait and see >>2628507>>2628395It's unlikely Delcy sold out beyond what Maduro already promised or we would see an internal factional dispute within the PSUV, the narrative around Delcy being more willing to negotiating or whatever is pure post-hoc justification
>>2628287>>2628309hey, they behavior has consistently benefitted the consolidation of the right-wing parties and pro-european stances. they can trash talk all they want about being ML, but when the results are no discernable from eurcommunists, I don't give a fuck on what they say or what their alleged 'pragmatic ML' does on the short term.
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