How many outfits did they allow Maduro to bring?
>>2629521None. US taxpayers pay for gis clothes now. Just more evidence of how US imperialism does not benefit the US proles, even tho potentially lowering oil (and thus all) prices, by paying Maduro his new clothes, instead of treaty healthcare.
>>2629527So the epic antimperialist socdems purged the commies and sold out to the fascists, who could have foreseen this
>>2629544
Very controversial statement in 2026.
Is donald trump just a fat baby
>>2629532it's fake stop trusting these first party accounts, the reason is that she would've led an unstable government
>>2629556the noam chomsky foreword hurts like a slap
>>2629555I'm skeptical of this. At least right now. Not that I'd put anything past them like seeking another round, but this stuff is being spread by a lot of shady OSINT hype moment accounts (none of whom were on the money on the op that took out Maduro). Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recency_bias >>2629565Yup we're about to enter the 1000 years long Burgerreich.
does vietnam have nukes? they should get nukes
>>2629568No need. DPRK & China & Laos would support them if the yankee dared to do round two.
>>2629532I think its a way to obfuscate the fact that the opposition doesnt really have much support inside Venezuela.
>>2629570they should not assume that. they should get nukes. give every vietnamese a personal nuke. point a ballistic missile at every single individual USAnian on earth.
>>2629573This is not Pluribus, you deranged ass.
>>2629556>foreword by chomskycertified glowslop
Pyongyang, January 4 (KCNA) – A spokesperson for the Foreign Ministry of the DPRK gave the following answer to a question raised by KCNA on January 4 as regards the fact that the U.S. wildly violated the sovereignty of Venezuela:
We are paying attention to the gravity of the present Venezuelan situation caused by the U.S. high-handed act, in connection with the increase of instability to be added to the already weakened regional situation.
The incident is another example that clearly confirms once again the rogue and brutal nature of the U.S. which the international community has so frequently witnessed for a long time.
The Foreign Ministry of the DPRK strongly denounces the U.S. hegemony-seeking act committed in Venezuela as the most serious form of encroachment on sovereignty and as a wanton violation of the UN Charter and international laws with respect for sovereignty, non-interference and territorial integrity as their main purpose.
The international community should recognize the seriousness of the present Venezuelan situation, which caused a catastrophic consequence to fixing the structure of regional and international relations, and raise voices of due protest and denunciation against the U.S habituated violation of sovereignty of other countries. -0-
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/b69ec08c77c5568fba03b352471a1777.kcmsf>>2629565The acksis of resistance is done isn't it, the cucks will fall like dominoes and Russia isn't even getting Ukraine..
>>2629581these all sound like chatgpt is writing this shit for them tbh
>>2629519Tbh its kinda just another regime change, on the world scale and economic scale in the us it means little, video rel explains it well.
https://youtu.be/p6cc2YJTANw?si=IQYfoaByLuxcRoy8 >>2629577Can you Kamala post somewhere else?
>>2629581>States are PEOPLE and not class relationsSo tired of libs shitting up latam movements.
>>2629527>Following the 2017 Venezuelan constitutional crisis, where the Supreme Court of Venezuela took over the democratically elected National Assembly, BBC Monitoring Americas wrote that Golinger, "one of the staunchest defenders internationally of left-wing Chavist rule in Venezuela", agreed that the takeover was "a rupture of the constitutional order"muh democracy muh free elections muh law and order
>>2629584>posting vid from a sharty vtuberkys. buy a banner on 4chan if you want to advertise you prolapsed, pus leaking four legged worm
>>2629584Nobody's gonna pay any attention to your channel if you keep using that goofy ass fursona.
So, Venezuela has been a petrol station controlled by a loose alliance of forces under an umbrella of "Chavismo" that maintained radicals in support of the government. So the US made the correct analysis that in kidanpping Maduro they could force terms upon Venezuela and it could still maintain the "Chavismo" larp, cause the state doesn't want to fragment into Haiti-style warlordism. Trump is gonna force Dengism into Venezuela, damn.
>>2629593>Trump is gonna force Dengism into Venezuelawerent they trying to do that under maduro already
>>2629527>>2629542>>2629556she's a traitor who continuously drove a grudge over a personal vendetta against the Venezuela government.
https://www.laiguana.tv/articulos/347409-eva-golinger-chavista-gringa-salto-talanquera/she, knowing very well the level of imperial siege, ran a crusade against the Venezuelan state since the death of Hugo Chavez, stenographing the smae right wing talking points of the people who now arrested Maduro.
Also, Venezuela Analysis must be taken very, VERY carefully, as pic rel shows:
all in all, what matter is:
the fifth republic constitution hasn't been torn apart, specially the 'hydrocarbons law', that it's the main grudge oil giants like exxon have and want to destroy, and that's why they attacked Maduro, and are threatening Delcy.
anything else, is CIA tactics to divide the left on what happened.
>>2629593>Trump is gonna force Dengism into Venezuela, damn.It's the best they can do, mind you. Vuvu can just re-nationalize any burger investment 20-30 years from now if they wish.
It's fucking hilarious, if you ask me.
>>2629595If this isn't a CIA op, nothing is.
Vuvuzela iPhone status?
>>26296021984 Animal Fram Big Brother Totatitatilarianism bug time
>>2629595So much copium, if you want to hunt traitors it would be time to notice how Maduro was sold out by his government you're sucking up to. A government that by the way was after Chavez turning neoliberal and more recently begging the US to take stuff.
Day 3 of the "30 Minute Regime Change Operation"
>Regime status: Bolivarian Revolution still in power
>Oil industry status: Still owned by the Venezuelan state
The US has stated their objectives quite clearly several times, but still couldn't achieve any of them. Kidnapping Maduro did fuck all. Inconsequential PR stunt.
This is a failure. Saying otherwise is cope.
>>2629604>neoliberalname one single state-owned company that was sold.
>>2629593You're going to get the usual people telling you to also roll with it because open accusations that they've sold out is demoralizing / doing the Empire's bidding (and also they have no choice because Trump is a madman).
>>2629595Eh, really there has been a split between the left-Chavistas and Maduristas going on for years.
>>2629604>>2629607 (me)
more specifically, I want strategic ones. oil/gas, minerals, telecomms, weapons manufacturing, banks, etc.
Name it, you glowing moron.
>>2629606I will not name-filter you. For now.
We're on the cusp of World War 3 folks, any post we make might be our last. Think carefully about how future extraterrestrial historians will view our humble website
>>2629623how do i push us over the cusp?
>>2629612>roll with itWhats your alternative?
>communist party of vuvuThey still haven't reacted to the snatchening:
https://prensapcv.wordpress.com/Imagine being an actual communist and not reacting to the great Satan snatching your country's president.
>>2629619>Such impositions destroyed the essence of the collective bargaining agreements and are unconstitutional for violating Article 96 of the Constitution (right to enter into collective bargaining agreements with no other requirements than those established by law); they derogate de facto the principles of progressiveness, intangibility and unrenounceability of rights (Article 89); they violate the right to a salary sufficient to allow a decent living (Article 91), as well as Article 3 of our Magna Carta, which proclaims the essential purposes of the Venezuelan Statethe cope is that you couldn't name one single of those companies. that's neoliberalism, to privatize everything, and instead, you relied on stupid stretch that isn't close to neoliberalism.by 2018, the state already had decrees of economic emergencies due to the US sanctions.
there's no chance to bargain or get better salaries right now, the state can't guarantee those rights
thanks to the sanctions.
Maduro over and over explained that.
>>2629633Imagine defending literal anti working class policies for a government that sold out to the US. Peak cuckoldry
>From February to August 2006, Rodríguez was the Minister for Presidential Affairs.[26] Her tenure was short-lived due to reported tensions with president Hugo Chávez.[26][27] She reportedly refused to show the "personal homage" expected by the president.[26] According to profiles published in Tal Cual and El Estímulo [es], Rodríguez disregarded established hierarchies and maintained a direct attitude that alienated her from the presidential inner circle.[26][28] During an official trip to Moscow in 2006, Rodríguez allegedly engaged in a heated argument with Chávez in which she used disrespectful language.[28] Following the altercation, Chávez reportedly ordered her removal from the delegation and her immediate return to Venezuela on a separate plane.[28]
>>2629632Take it easy MLoid, it's called revolutionary defeatism.
>>2629632arent there two communist parties in venezuela?
>>2629639you cant be a revolutionary defeatist on a imperialized nation
October 16th 2025
>Exclusive: Venezuelan leaders offered U.S. a path to stay in power without MaduroA group of senior Venezuelan government officials, led by Vice President Delcy Rodríguez and her brother Jorge, who is president of the National Assembly, have quietly promoted a series of initiatives in recent months aimed at presenting themselves to Washington as a “more acceptable” alternative to Nicolás Maduro’s regime, according to people with direct knowledge of the talks. The proposals, funneled through intermediaries in Qatar, sought to persuade sectors of the U.S. government that a “Madurismo without Maduro” could enable a peaceful transition in Venezuela—preserving political stability without dismantling the ruling apparatus.
According to the sources, Qatari mediators presented to the U.S. two formal proposals this year, one in April and another in September. Both outlined potential governing mechanisms without Maduro in power. In those scenarios, Delcy Rodríguez would serve as the institutional continuity figure, while retired Gen. Miguel Rodríguez Torres, who is currently in exile and is not related to the Rodriguez siblings, would head a transitional government. The central argument, the sources said, was that the Rodríguez siblings represent a “more palatable” version of so-called chavismo — the socialist ideology named for deceased leader Hugo Chávez — for Washington, since neither has been indicted on narcotrafficking charges by U.S. courts. However, former regime officials— whose accounts have been used by U.S. prosecutors in cases linked to the so-called Cartel of the Suns—have implicated both siblings in logistical support and money laundering operations. Sources told the Miami Herald the offers though Qatar were made with Maduro’s approval. Qatar as diplomatic, financial channel The contacts in Qatar reportedly intensified following the Trump administration’s tougher stance on Caracas, particularly after the U.S. military deployment in the Caribbean aimed at curbing drug trafficking and dismantling the Cartel of the Suns, which Washington directly links to Maduro. Qatar, which has close ties to the Venezuelan government and has been accused by U.S. officials of sheltering Venezuelan funds, played a key role as intermediary. All proposals were routed through its capital, Doha, where according to sources Delcy Rodríguez maintains “a significant relationship” with members of the Qatari royal family and hides part of her assets. During one meeting in Doha, a senior member of the royal family reportedly acknowledged acting as a bridge between Caracas and Washington on “intelligence and economic cooperation matters.” According to sources, the proposals were presented to the White House and the State Department by U.S. Special Envoy Richard Grenell, who earlier this year met with Maduro at the Miraflores Presidential Palace in Caracas and helped secure the release of several American citizens whom Washington considered wrongfully imprisoned by the regime. Grenell, who has been advising the administration to engage Maduro in negotiations to defuse the escalating diplomatic standoff, declined to comment for this story. The State Department did not respond to questions about the Venezuelan leaders’ offer. The ‘Cartel Lite’ formula Some sectors in the Trump administration interpreted the overtures as part of an informal strategy that became known as ‘Cartel Lite:’ a softened version of chavismo designed to allow a managed transition without an abrupt rupture and without dismantling the regime’s core structures. The April proposal called for Maduro to step down, remain in Venezuelan with guarantees for his safety, and negotiate an arrangement granting U.S. companies access to Venezuelan oil and mining industries. In exchange, it suggested that U.S. prosecutors drop criminal charges against Maduro. Under that plan Delcy Rodriguez would assume the country’s presidency. The New York Times has previously reported that regime envoys held confidential talks for months with Grenell, discussing the possibility of reopening Venezuela’s energy sector to U.S. companies, reducing cooperation with Russia, China, and Iran, and redirecting oil exports toward the United States. While these proposals marked a radical shift from chavismo’s anti-U.S. doctrine, the White House did not move forward. A hardline faction led by Secretary of State Marco Rubio prevailed, warning that any agreement short of regime change would betray democratic principles. Rodríguez Torres as transition figure
The second proposal, presented in September, envisioned Maduro being replaced by a transitional government led by Delcy Rodríguez and Miguel Rodríguez Torres, with guarantees that the Venezuelan leader could seek exile in Qatar or Turkey. Rodríguez Torres, a former interior minister and intelligence chief, was once a close ally of Hugo Chávez before becoming a political prisoner under Maduro. Though now exiled in Spain, he maintains connections with military circles and key chavismo figures, making him, in the eyes of some observers, a potential broker for an orderly transition. However, his record of repression and documented human rights abuses during his tenure at the Interior Ministry and the SEBIN intelligence service pose a significant obstacle. International organizations have cited cases of torture and arbitrary detention under his watch. The September proposal also included involving certain opposition figures who, in practice, maintain informal ties to the regime—an effort to project a façade of political pluralism without altering the governing power structure. Venezuela’s top opposition leader, María Corina Machado — who last week was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for leading the country’s nonviolent struggle to restore democracy — was not included in the plan, as chavista officials consider her too principled and inflexible to take part in such an arrangement. The siblings and the cartel For many years, Jorge and Delcy Rodríguez have been central pillars of Venezuela’s ruling elite: he as president of the National Assembly and key strategist within the regime; she as executive vice president under Maduro. Behind their image as disciplined technocrats and heirs to the Chavez’s so-called Bolivarian project, however, persist longstanding allegations of involvement with the Cartel of the Suns—a network that, according to international agencies, operates within Venezuela’s armed forces and controls part of the cocaine trade through Caribbean and Atlantic routes. Sources familiar with U.S. investigations said the siblings took part in coordination meetings for drug shipments alongside senior regime officials, including Interior Minister Diosdado Cabello and Nicolás Maduro Guerra, the Venezuelan leader’s son. In U.S. indictments filed in New York, Cabello is identified as the cartel’s top operator, while Maduro, as head of state, guarantees its protection. According to the same sources, the Rodríguez siblings now serve as the cartel’s financial managers: “They are the ones who control the money,” one source told the Miami Herald. Washington rejects ‘makeover’ The sources said the Trump administration ultimately dismissed the transition proposals from Caracas after internal reports concluded they were an attempt to preserve the regime’s criminal structures under a new guise. “The ‘Cartel Lite’ was not a viable option,” one source said. From that point, Trump’s circle adopted a policy of rejecting any negotiation involving government officials under U.S. sanctions or those tied to the regime’s repressive and criminal machinery. Caracas’s efforts to secure a deal with Washington have grown increasingly urgent amid signs that the Trump administration is willing to use military force against the Venezuelan cartel. On Tuesday, Trump announced that U.S. forces had carried out another deadly strike in the Caribbean, destroying a vessel off Venezuela’s coast that he described as affiliated with a “Designated Terrorist Organization” involved in drug trafficking. The strike was the sixth in two months, bringing the total death toll to 27. Trump has said the operations are lawful under his executive authority and aim to neutralize networks that pose a “direct threat” to U.S. national security. The expanded military deployment now includes more than 4,500 U.S. personnel—Marines and Navy troops—supported by a cruiser, several destroyers, a Los Angeles–class attack submarine, and F-35 stealth fighters stationed in Puerto Rico, giving the U.S. overwhelming air superiority over Venezuela’s aging Sukhoi and F-16 fleet. In response, Venezuelan Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino accused Washington of using “false” narcotrafficking allegations as a pretext to promote regime change, calling U.S. actions “bellicose and inhumane.”
In what was interpreted as a new signal that the administration is planning some sort of operation inside Venezuela, President Donald Trump said on Wednesday that he does not rule out land strikes in the South American country. “We are certainly looking at land now, because we’ve got the sea very well under control,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office. “We’ve almost totally stopped it by sea. Now we’ll stop it by land.” The president, however, wouldn’t confirm if he had authorized the CIA to eliminate Maduro. “I don’t want to answer the question like that. That’s a ridiculous question,” he said. “Not really a ridiculous question, but wouldn’t it be a ridiculous question for me to answer?” According to a New York Times story on Wednesday, Trump authorized the agency to conduct covert operations inside Venezuela. The secret authorization, known as a presidential finding, allows the CIA to carry out lethal operations and a range of covert actions in Venezuela and across the Caribbean. It is not known whether the CIA has already initiated operations under the new authority, which was approved in recent weeks. It also remains unclear whether the measure is intended as a contingency plan or if missions are actively being planned.
https://web.archive.org/web/20260105085453/https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article312516272.html>>2629635>Imperialist sanctions force the hand of imperialized state>blame the victimCIA isn't sending his best today
>>2629656>A hardline faction led by Secretary of State Marco Rubio prevailed, warning that any agreement short of regime change would betray democratic principles. Lmao they fucked this operation up big time
>>2629659how are commies still blaming social democrats lmfao. socdems have done inifinitely more to the working class than you guys.
>>2629698>to the working classyou mean "for"?
>>2629659mossadposter
>>2629698social fascist
I'm not gonna hold it against Rodriguez and the rest of the PSUV if they make a deal with Trump to prevent a total regime change and a possible land invasion of Venezuela. It's going to be very funny to see all the xitter rightoid's reactions clamoring for a return of the Munroe Doctrine when they realize their god emperor only took out a figurehead and Chavismo still endures in Venezuela in some form.
>>2629699he means 'against'
https://korybko.substack.com/p/regime-tweaking-not-regime-change
>Some critics of the US’ “special military operation” in Venezuela claim that it didn’t succeed despite President Nicolas Maduro’s capture since the “Chavismo deep state” that he presided over remains in place. This refers to the explicitly ideological elements of his country’s permanent military, intelligence, and diplomatic bureaucracies but can be expanded to include governors and trade unions among other groups. The point is that removing Maduro from the political equation didn’t result in regime change.
>That’s true, but the premise that US wanted to achieve such a goal is debatable since Trump 2.0 is comprised of figures who’ve criticized previous regime change operations for destabilizing their regions and leading to unpredictable consequences that ultimately harmed US interests. It’s therefore plausible that they never intended to forcibly carry out regime change in Venezuela due to concerns that a civil war might follow, which could engender a large-scale migrant crisis and destroy energy infrastructure.
>Rather, the immediate goal can be described as regime tweaking, which refers to keeping the targeted state’s power structure in place but after some (at times significant) changes that advance the meddling state’s interests. In the Venezuelan context, the US forcibly removed Maduro so that he’d be replaced by his Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, who Trump publicly expects to “do what we want” (likely at Marco Rubio’s direction). That’s arguably what he meant by “running the country” till its transition is complete.
>Such a transition might not result in regime change after Trump ruled out Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado leading Venezuela since “She doesn’t have the support or the respect”. He also didn’t mention “democracy” once during his press conference in a sign that he’s uninterested in a radical regime change from the Chavismo model to a Western one (at least at this time). This hints that he’s open to Rodriguez or some other Chavista who he thinks the US can work with succeeding Maduro.
>They’d have to enjoy the support of the powerful armed forces and militias in order to prevent a civil war, which ipso facto entails preserving at least some of their privileges, especially economic-financial ones. That said, the armed forces barely put up any resistance on Saturday so it’s possible that Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino Lopez and Interior Minister Diosdado already clinched a deal with the US, only to talk tough in front of the cameras afterwards like Rodriguez has for domestic political reasons.
>If an election is held within 30 days like Article 233 of the Constitution calls for, then the Defense and Interior Ministries would have to help secure it, thus reinforcing the importance of their chiefs supporting the US’ envisaged transition in Venezuela. The US doesn’t care how Venezuela is governed or who (at least nominally) rules it, just that US influence is restored, which could take the form of its oil only being sold to US-approved buyers and foreign rivals like China no longer having a foothold there.
>Of course, de-idologizing the Venezuelan “deep state” so that more easily manipulatable pro-Western figures replace the Chavistas would entrench the US’ newfound influence, but this can only be done gradually since moving too fast could spark a civil war and thus risk ultimately harming US interests. Some of the Chavismo model’s socio-economic programs and neighborhood organizations might also have to be preserved to prevent this. It’ll therefore be interesting to monitor how the transition unfolds. >>2629709>meant one thing but said something else>freud flaghmmm
>>2629716you dont follow international law so i wont follow your grammar guidelines
Weeks earlier, U.S. officials had already settled on an acceptable candidate to replace Mr. Maduro, at least for the time being: Vice President Delcy Rodríguez, who had impressed Trump officials with her management of Venezuela’s crucial oil industry.
The people involved in the discussions said intermediaries persuaded the administration that she would protect and champion future American energy investments in the country.
“I’ve been watching her career for a long time, so I have some sense of who she is and what she’s about,” said one senior U.S. official, referring to Ms. Rodríguez.
“I’m not claiming that she’s the permanent solution to the country’s problems, but she’s certainly someone we think we can work at a much more professional level than we were able to do with him,” the official added, referring to Mr. Maduro.
It was an easy choice, the people said. Mr. Trump had never warmed up to the Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, who had organized a winning presidential campaign in 2024, earning her the Nobel Peace Prize this year. Since Mr. Trump’s re-election, Ms. Machado has gone out of her way to please him, calling him a “champion of freedom,” mimicking his talking points on election fraud in the United States and even dedicating her Peace Prize to him.
It was in vain. On Saturday, Mr. Trump said he would accept Ms. Rodríguez, saying that Ms. Machado lacked the “respect” needed to govern Venezuela.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/04/world/americas/trump-venezuela-leader-rodriguez-machado.html>Trump has a list of demands for Venezuela’s new leaderDelcy Rodriguez appears to be the linchpin in any US strategy that may emerge. - POLITICO
The Trump administration is demanding that Venezuela’s interim leader take several pro-U.S. actions that her predecessor refused if she wants to avoid a similar fate.
U.S. officials have told Delcy Rodriguez that they want to see at least three moves from her: cracking down on drug flows; kicking out Iranian, Cuban and other operatives of countries or networks hostile to Washington; and stopping the sale of oil to U.S. adversaries, according to a U.S. official familiar with the situation and a person familiar with the administration’s internal discussions.
U.S. officials also expect Rodriguez — the former vice president now running Venezuela — to eventually facilitate free elections and step aside, the two people said. But the deadlines for the demands are fluid, and U.S. officials stress there are no elections imminent.
Two days after the U.S. struck Venezuela and captured its dictator, Nicolás Maduro, much remains unclear about what Washington plans for the aftermath. The White House argues that Maduro’s ouster was a law enforcement move against a drug lord, not a regime change operation or a war — a frame it has leaned on to explain its limited steps so far. But President Donald Trump’s penchant for dramatic action and targeted strikes may face its ultimate test in Venezuela, an economically broken nation of 30 million where missteps could lead to violence and other instability.
Rodriguez appears to be the linchpin in any U.S. strategy that may emerge. While she is a longtime ally of Maduro with serious socialist bona fides, the Trump team is nonetheless confident she will do its bidding. If not, she faces significant military action, Trump has warned.
“Venezuela, thus far, has been very nice. But it helps to have a force like we have,” Trump told reporters Sunday on Air Force One. “If they don’t behave, we will do a second strike.”
The White House declined to comment and the State Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Venezuela’s U.N. mission in Geneva did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
A senior U.S. official said the focus of the administration right now is on ensuring “that the country remains stable in advancing towards U.S. interests,” but declined to speak to the demands put to Rodriguez.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio hinted at the U.S. message to Caracas on Sunday, telling ABC News the U.S. “will set the condition so that we no longer have in our hemisphere a Venezuela that’s the crossroads for many of our adversaries around the world, including Iran and Hezbollah, is no longer sending us drug gangs, is no longer sending us drug boats, is no longer a narcotrafficking paradise.”
The directives given to Rodriguez suggest that such conversations are more specific, concrete and intense than Rubio has publicly disclosed.
The Trump team thinks Rodriguez is on a “short leash” and is “confident they can whip her in whatever direction they want before they dispose of her and move on,” a person close to the administration said.
The person, like others interviewed, was granted anonymity to discuss highly sensitive internal deliberations.
In a matter of days, Rodriguez has shifted from her initial condemnation of Maduro’s capture to saying late Sunday that she would work with the U.S. “on an agenda of cooperation.”
Rubio indicated during TV interviews over the weekend that Trump’s claim that the U.S. will “run” Venezuela is more about influencing Rodriguez. He also has mentioned in interviews the importance of holding elections, while trying to lower expectations that will happen anytime soon.
Other Trump aides, such as Richard Grenell, who led previous back-channel diplomacy with Caracas, have favored Rodriguez staying indefinitely, according to the U.S. official.
Grenell, who Trump tapped to run the Kennedy Center, has not been a part of the administration’s recent Venezuela policymaking, and is not on the team working with the remaining government in Caracas, said the senior U.S. official. Grenell did not respond to a request for comment.
However, the senior U.S. official also said the president believes it’s “far too premature for us to even be discussing elections in Venezuela.”
“Of course elections are something we want to see, but it’s not something that’s being discussed with Delcy right now,” the senior U.S. official added.
Aside from military options, the U.S. has other carrots and sticks to win Rodriguez’s cooperation — including sanctions relief and access to her financial assets, which are largely in Doha, Qatar, according to a person familiar with Trump’s Venezuela policy and another person familiar with the matter.
The U.S. has an “enormous amount of leverage on Rodriguez and the others,” said Elliott Abrams, who served as special representative for Venezuela in the first Trump administration. “We have proved that we can seize people in downtown Caracas.”
Abrams, who said Rodriguez also has assets in Turkey, predicted that even the specter of discussions about her finances would be powerful in dealing with her personally.
“The statement that we’re talking to the Qataris and the Turks about her money obviously would be quite a threat,” Abrams said.
The U.S. official and three of the other people said they were not aware of any administration plans to lift sanctions on Venezuela or send any significant humanitarian aid to the country just yet.
Prior to the military operation that captured Maduro this weekend, some people in various U.S. agencies mulled sanctions relief and other day-after moves. But, according to the person familiar with the Trump team’s discussions, “there was no interagency process to develop an after-action plan.”
The U.S. government is currently lacking some of the strength it had in such crisis planning because of the administration’s cuts to the State Department and other parts of the government, although it is trying to rebuild some aspects of it.
The person familiar with the Trump team’s discussions said the U.S. also is requesting that Venezuela release Americans held prisoner in the country. But this person and others said they were not aware of any U.S. demand that the government in Caracas free all of the Venezuelan political prisoners it has locked up. The lack of such a demand worries Abrams and others in Republican foreign policy circles who fear the U.S. won’t follow through on efforts to bring about new leadership.
For now, the Trump team envisions doing much of its post-Maduro work from afar, even though Trump told reporters on Sunday that he is considering reopening the U.S. Embassy in Caracas.
One specific challenge facing the U.S. administration is that the Maduro cronies left behind have their own internal rivalries and power bases — some of them armed. Alongside Rodriguez, they include Diosdado Cabello, the interior minister, and Vladimir Padrino Lopez, the defense minister.
“It’s an unstable pit of vipers,” said the person familiar with Trump’s Venezuela policy.
It’s an especially delicate balancing act for Rodriguez, as some Venezuelans question whether she could have played a role in giving up Maduro, said Ryan Berg, a Latin America analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
She has to both express “outrage” about Maduro’s capture, while also demonstrating an openness to U.S. demands, Berg said.
“She also needs to move herself away from what happened,” Berg said. “While at the same time, she needs to be open to pushing pro-U.S. policies that are going to be very difficult for her regime to swallow, given that they have a 27-year history of seeing the United States as the greatest enemy.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/05/trump-demands-venezuela-leader-00711728 https://x.com/scientificecon/status/2007639806293987656
> The US coup in Venezuela is also to help the petrodollar system, established by Henry Kissinger's 1974 deal with Saudi Arabia requiring global oil sales in USD, which creates artificial demand for the currency & funds American hegemony - but which has been in its death throes.
> Venezuela, with the world's largest oil reserves, challenged the $ by selling oil in yuan, euros, rubles, bypassing the $, & building alternative payment channels with China.
> Historical precedents include the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in Iraq for switching to euros, Muammar Gaddafi in Libya for proposing a gold-backed dinar. See my report on the Saudi petro dolla deal at [Substack].
> The invasion counters accelerating global de-dollarization led by Russia, China, Iran, and BRICS, as nations shift to non-dollar settlements and alternatives to SWIFT.
> But it signals desperation, potentially hastening the petrodollar's decline as the Global South resents US reliance on military force to maintain currency dominance. >>2629571big brain answer
>>2629154Stalin would have supported the USSR against dissolution, then after that happened, he would have supported former warsaw pact nations against "democratic" NATO expansion. Remember Ukraine also joined the NATO coalition in Iraq despite not being a NATO member. So he would have supported Iraq against the NATO coalition + Ukraine. He would have supported Ukraine against Euromaidan and Poroshenko's US backed coup. He would support Donbass and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime, and finally he would support Russia, Donbass, and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime and NATO expansion.
So is Venezuelan regime change actually happening or?
>>2629733Read here for latest update.
>>2629722 >>2629731>19% of zoomers approveoh yeah it's all coming together
>>2629722>“Of course elections are something we want to see, but it’s not something that’s being discussed with Delcy right now,”I'm getting the impression that they want to drag the image of Maduro, Delcy, and their party through the mud. Delcy should either commit to total suicidal resistance, protracted guerilla warfare
or immediately step down. Don't even bother overseeing elections. Just abandon the government resign you position, disband the party. Don't let it go down in history that you and your party were turncoats and stewarded the USA colonial extraction regime.
>>2629735Has Delcy responded, yet?
>>2629722>U.S. officials have told Delcy Rodriguez that they want to see at least three moves from her: cracking down on drug flows; kicking out Iranian, Cuban and other operatives of countries or networks hostile to Washington; and stopping the sale of oil to U.S. adversariesDelulu
>>2629746what would thread do if in her shoes?
Brazil, Colombia and Mexico need to get nuclear weapons.
>>2629751Disgusting. Don't debase yourself like that. Step aside and give that job to some right wing bootlicker.
>The US is making plans to try to intercept a fleeing oil tanker that Russia has claimed ownership of
here we go
>>2629744>Published on her official Instagram account, she wrote:
< A message from Venezuela to the world, and to the United States:< Venezuela reaffirms its commitment to peace and peaceful coexistence. Our country aspires to live without external threats, in an environment of respect and international cooperation. We believe that global peace is built by first guaranteeing peace within each nation.< We prioritise moving towards balanced and respectful international relations between the United States and Venezuela, and between Venezuela and other countries in the region, premised on sovereign equality and non-interference. These principles guide our diplomacy with the rest of the world.< We invite the US government to collaborate with us on an agenda of cooperation oriented towards shared development within the framework of international law to strengthen lasting community coexistence.< President Donald Trump, our peoples and our region deserve peace and dialogue, not war. This has always been President Nicolás Maduro’s message, and it is the message of all of Venezuela right now. This is the Venezuela I believe in and have dedicated my life to. I dream of a Venezuela where all good Venezuelans can come together.< Venezuela has the right to peace, development, sovereignty and a future.< Delcy Rodríguez< Acting President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuelahttps://simplicius76.substack.com/p/major-questions-finally-answered So now the dust has settled, is kidnapping Maduro an evil but strategic imperialist move or just straight up fash retardation that will backfire?
>>2629584 Wach this interview with venezuelan Marxist Jesús N. Hermoso instead
https://www.youtube.com/live/gzLqcJ9E-jk?si=C9Hp5918ZAsSgEoM I hope Trump bombs every building on Greenland so we get to watch the EU cucks humiliate themselves
>>2629635>get btfo>muh cucksoh shit, its those retards again
>>2629754 (me)
>>2629759Ok well maybe I was too harsh. I don't think the USA will like that statement. Although it could just be fluff to save face and she will in fact just allow USA corporations in on terms completely unfavorable to Venezuela. But Trump is such a psychopath that he doesn't think he's won if the victory is not only materially advantageous to him but also is humiliating to his adversary.
>>2629766I'm like 87% sure it's the latter, fiven Trump admin has no real plans just demands and piracy and shit.
>>2629718Someone please shoot Machado
>>2629778You can't shoot Nobel Peace prize winners. That would be like going against the physics of nature. You judt can't degy gravity.
>>2629748spam drones to try to sink an aircraft carrier
>>2629704I see the NEH scenario where everyone gets equally mid outcomes and no one comes out with an unambiguous W to be the most likely atp.
>>2629774>think he's won if the victory is not only materially advantageous to him but also is humiliating to his adversary.I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Maduro and bunch of other nonhardliner PSUV members were more than willing to negotiate some sort of oil deal but Trump and his base like most american libs are creatures of vibes,aesthetics,online hype moments and great man theory so the schadenfreude and spectacle of kidnapping Maduro is literally more important to them than all the actual imperialist shit Rubio and Chevron get out of this.
>>2629730>Stalin would have supported the USSR against dissolution, then after that happened, he would have supported former warsaw pact nations against "democratic" NATO expansion.Correct.
>Remember Ukraine also joined the NATO coalition in Iraq despite not being a NATO member. So he would have supported Iraq against the NATO coalition + Ukraine.Correct.
>He would have supported Ukraine against Euromaidan and Poroshenko's US backed coup.Correct.
>He would support Donbass and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime, and finally he would support Russia, Donbass, and Luhansk against the US-backed Kyiv regime and NATO expansion.Correct.
>>2629732you know if the US behaved itself it could have lasted a lot longer, but it decided to crash out with global temper tantrums instead.
>>2629792every single burger who volunteered has it coming
they are shooting drones
>>2629635>Gusano Heraldi refuse to take US media at face value because they are stenographers for the US state department without fucking fail
>>2629797>they drop the claim but still uphold the claim that maduro is a drug traffickerlimited hangout, don't fucking care. NYT can burn in hell.
>>2629803Could be a false alarm. Paranoia and itchy trigger fingers.
>>2629801Unconfirmed rumours coming in
>locals reporting gunfire and explosions at Miraflores Palace>jets in the sky >drones >gunmen dressed in black speaking Spanish>military convoys Looks like this is the coup, then.
>>2629807The civil war is beginning to brew between factions in favor of complete capitulation to the Americans and those who want a hardline position
somebody start a cytube stream
They really want this Machado bitch as president, damn.
Honestly worse case scenario is happening right now bros…
So 90% of the people killed were the Cuban military that either fought until the last man or was executed and the entire Venezuelan military basically ducked any engagement.
This is fucked up.
private trail? fucking cucks don't want another saddam
Step me down from the copium anons. Are the actual non-cucks making a move?
>>2629824There's only hearsay thus far. Can't confirm anything just yet.
>>2629825Some people are saying paranoia, shooting at drones (which may or may not exist), and that the shooting has stopped.
>>2629824just now: SecWar and Joint Chief rushing back to the Pentagon
Shit I'm seeing seem to indicate that it's a putsch by Chavismo hardliners. C'mon boys, give us the August Coup that was promised.
According to RT
>There are also reports of explosions and the activation of air-defense guns.
>>2629835Based if true but we're living in the worst timeline so it's beat to keep our expectations very low.
>>2629824>Shit I'm seeing seem to indicate that it's a putsch by Chavismo hardliners.post hopium kino pls im dying
>>2629836"Explosions" might be mistranslated. I haven't seen any footage of heavy weapons fire either, just small arms.
>Cabello has his own weekly program on Venezolana de Televisión, Con el Mazo Dando (Going at it with the Club).[33][34] In that program, Cabello talks about the government's view on many political issues and presents accusations against the opposition. The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) has expressed concerns about how the program has intimidated people that went to the IACHR denouncing the government.[35] Some Venezuelan commentators have compared the use of illegally recorded private conversations on programs such as Cabello's to the practices in place in the East Germany as shown in the film The Life of Others.[36]
>Cabello’s status after the death of Hugo Chávez was disputed. Some argue that Cabello was constitutionally required to be the acting President, but Nicolás Maduro held the position.[31]
Friendship with Maduro ended. Cabello is my new best friend.
>>2629835I support them but if hardliners actually seize power then 1 million venezuelans are gonna die
"Hardliners taking power" also assumes Rodriguez has sold out behind the scenes which we don't know for sure yet >>2629848>if hardliners actually seize power then 1 million venezuelans are gonna dieI am ready to make that sacrifice.
>>2629793Where does he fall in comparison to the VP and other possible comprador types?
>>2629835Who is the hardliners' leader again? PLIZ
>>2629854Likely Diosdado Cabello
>>2629848It’s a choice between dying on your feet or becoming a slave to the treatler empire. Its was posted a couple threads back but the idea is to “near-shore” all industrial new industrial capacity in South America and use them for cheap labor. Once Venezuela falls if other nations on the American continents don’t wise up they’ll all be next. Trumps already lining up Colombia and Mexico.
Any telegram groups to follow?
>>2629855ok guess it was a nothingburger.
Anons i'm about to go to bed, wtf is going on?
Diosmios Caballo didn't do the coupings? Maduro is my new best friend.
>>2629855Yeah this is supposedly the audio of this lol
https://streamable.com/xrdbis >>2629866False alarm. Resume consuming dreams.
What are some good books on the Bolivarian revolution?
>>2629869Thanks anon, good night.
Even with this situation there is still tension on the ground. Hardline Chavistas are still in the military and militia groups that will deploy if Delcy sells out. Ironically the US getting its high by kidnapping Maduro has led to a even more anti-American faction to replace him and will lead to the US moving in with ground troops
tbh incompetence is to be expected from third world conditions
apparently one of their own drones spooked them and they raised all alarms. how embarrassing
>>2629878and then Capriles decides to fund a lukewarm social program with Oil money and we start hearing about the new ebil communist dictator
This shit is a good indication that the shit with Maduro was a betrayal at least. This massive of a reaction to a single drone vs literally nothing in response to 200 US soldiers flying in on helicopters.
>>2629886firing at soldiers would gurantee US flattens caacas like Gaza city.
>>2629887*guarentee *Caracus
i need a new keyboard
>>2629879but a fleet of US helicopters and jets didn't
>>2629886Occam's razor still points to incompetence instead of conspiracy.
I got to say I'm seeing more pushback from """the international community""" than I ever expected.
>>2629835I have been saying for years that Maduro should have been Kerensky'ed. A putsch by actual chaviztas wouldn't be as good as actual revolution, but it would be one of the best scenarios still.
>>2629886>>2629891I feel like the third option would be Maduro willingly going as part of some kayfabe spectacle. I mean wasn't he literally talking with people from the chinese foreign ministry that night? In the event this doesn't escalate I wouldn't be suprised if the powers involved have conducted a bunch of backroom deals Congress of Vienna style.
Did they figure out how maduros guys got clapped so hard yet?
>>2629722<We think she should govern<What we ask>Control of minerals and petrol>Control of friends >Control of marketsLmao, they are poisoning the apple like crazy
>>2629870you would be a little jumpy too after what happened to your head of state no?
>>2629886Well theyre now on super high alert
>>2629725Maduro should have gotten a nuclear assurance of being protected by the nuclear umbrella of Russia.
/pol/ user base is very small. I posted a thread about the shooting with a streamable there and it got hundreds of replies but my video only got 500 views. That place is like 2,000 people on maximum at a time.
>>2629917that site is finally dying but i still got some anons to talk about my interests (non-political) with in the better boards so whatever
Maduro is not even left wing. Capitalist Russia is more collectivized than Venezuela (58% GDP is state owned enterprises)
>>2629927This is so wrong on so many levels I can't even bother to begin listing
>>2629805>>2629792>>2629793yup, false alarm. apparently a miscoordination between one military body using a drone, and another military body shooting down the drone.
>>2629921Men were legally required to sign up previously so they are just cutting out the extra paperwork.
Women are, of course, exempt.
>>2629935Gotta protect the baby machines.
>Trump Picks Maduro Aide Over Nobel Peace Laureate via CIA ReportCIA cited Rodríguez's experience for stability; Trump prioritizes U.S. oil interests over democratic opposition
It has been revealed that a secret CIA report played a significant role in President Trump’s choice of Delcy Rodríguez, who was Maduro’s vice president, rather than Nobel Peace Prize-winning democratic activist Maria Korea Machado, as the suitable candidate to lead Venezuela’s transitional government.
The CIA submitted a secret report to President Trump judging that Vice President Rodríguez, who has technical and professional bureaucratic experience related to the oil industry, would be more advantageous for maintaining short-term stability in Venezuela following the arrest and ouster of Nicolás Maduro, and a small number of senior administration officials also shared this view, The Wall Street Journal reported on the 5th.
President Trump was also disappointed that the Venezuelan opposition, which rose up after Maduro’s election fraud during his first administration, failed to mount an efficient opposition as expected. His remarks that the Nobel Peace Prize laureate is a “very dignified woman” yet “lacks the respect and support of the Venezuelan people” came in this context.
Trump did not mention whether there would be “elections” in Venezuela in the future. His focus is on Venezuela under firm U.S. influence and U.S. oil development in Venezuela.
The Trump administration requested an analysis from the CIA while discussing post-military operation scenarios, and discussions unfolded based on the results.
Following the ouster of dictator Maduro, Trump’s choice to support one of Maduro’s closest aides was significantly influenced by the CIA’s conclusions and his personal disappointment, the newspaper analyzed. President Trump is convinced that short-term stability in Venezuela is only possible if a successor backed by the military and other elite groups takes over.
The CIA report also identified Vice President Rodríguez (acting president) and two key figures sustaining the existing Maduro power structure—Diosdado Cabello, the interior minister, and Vladimir Padrino, the defense minister—as “power brokers” capable of maintaining order in Venezuela as transitional leaders.
Each controlling the police and military, these two individuals can neutralize any attempt at a power transfer. However, both are criminally indicted in U.S. courts, just like Maduro, making cooperation with the Trump administration highly unlikely.
However, unless the Trump administration sends ground troops to pacify Venezuela, a country with an area four times that of the Korean Peninsula (approximately 916,000 square kilometers), their cooperation is essential.
The CIA report also concluded that in the current situation where the existing Maduro regime and drug trafficking networks remain robust, former National Assembly head Edmund González, who is judged to have actually won the 2024 election by a significant margin (37 percentage points according to opposition and Western analyses), and opposition leader Machado would face significant difficulties in establishing a solid foundation and legitimacy in Venezuela.
As Trump chose Rodríguez as the head of the transitional government, Machado and the Venezuelan opposition, who had showered Trump with near-public courtship and praise, experienced significant shock and disappointment.
Even before winning the Nobel Peace Prize, Machado strongly supported U.S. military operations, drawing criticism that “can someone who supports foreign intervention in their country receive a peace prize?” Machado attributed her Nobel Prize to Trump, dedicating the award to “his resolute support for our cause” and praised Trump.
After Maduro’s arrest, she held a press conference with González, the 2024 election candidate, stating she was ready to lead Venezuela.
Until before the success of the military operation, Trump and his key aides publicly portrayed Machado’s opposition movement as the optimal alternative for a power transfer.
In January, Trump praised Machado on social media for “peacefully expressing the voices and will of Venezuelans,” and Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who had “conversed with her multiple times over the years,” even signed a letter recommending her as a Nobel Peace Prize candidate.
However, during his first administration, Trump judged that the Venezuelan opposition failed to achieve “results” despite U.S. support after the 2024 election fraud. Although Trump extensively sanctioned Venezuela’s state oil company (PDVSA) and attempted diplomatic isolation, neither the military nor the people rose up.
Ultimately, the current Venezuelan opposition will face resistance from security agencies colluding with the Maduro regime, drug trafficking groups, and political opposition forces, and will encounter significant difficulties in securing legitimacy, the analysis concluded.
Juan Cruz, who oversaw South American policy in the first Trump White House, told the WSJ, “Trump views the Venezuelan opposition, which failed to produce results, as losers. They were neither impressive nor up to expectations. Why hand power to them?”
https://www.chosun.com/english/world-en/2026/01/06/JE6BJ2I555CFRKTV6P5LB7K4TY/ >>2629960>The CIA report also concluded that in the current situation where the existing Maduro regime and drug trafficking networks remain robust, former National Assembly head Edmund González, who is judged to have actually won the 2024 election by a significant margin (37 percentage points according to opposition and Western analyses), and opposition leader Machado would face significant difficulties in establishing a solid foundation and legitimacy in Venezuela.so the western candidate 'won' the election but then the CIA analysis says he and machado are too unpopular to rule with stabiltiy lmao
>>2629874>Hardline Chavistas are still in the military and militia groups that will deploy if Delcy sells outsource?
It's very clear by now that all that happened is maduro was betrayed by people in his administration. It was literally a coup.
Which at this point it is laughable to protest for maduro since it is the government itself that gave him up so they can have power instead. They clearly are satisfied with this as now they control everything such as delcy and co. Maduro could come back to the country and they would still shut him out of power.
If this was not the case the usa would have done a full regime taking everyone out but there was no need for that as the people in his admin were happy with this result.
>>2629878see, that's why gollinger it's such a CIA asset. she knows that the TSJ already decided to declare the 'ausencia forzosa' (forced absence)
https://historico.tsj.gob.ve/decisiones/scon/enero/352131-0001-3126-2026-26-0001.HTML with the legal frame in which she can exert as a president indefinitely fulfilling the vacuum left by the president Maduro.
and gollinger must know because this is public knowledge in the political media, the TSJ decision was posted 1 day BEFORE her xit, and yet she goes and ignores it.
completely clown of a cia asset.
>>2629967Still no proof, anon.
>>2629962It's a translation by an Asian outlet. The wsj article is paywalled.
>>2629967>If this was not the case the usa would have done a full regime taking everyone out but there was no need for that as the people in his admin were happy with this result.You are implying a lot here. Rubio got shutdown by Trump and Hegseth to do a full invasion to overthrow the government fully. They believe spectacle and capture of Maduro will make the government submissive and to have a stronger deal. If they do not give good concession, the US will escalate with more bombing and if that doesn't work, a full scale ground invasion
>>2629544
no way
>>2629989Leftypol told me there was no good gun violence in the USA.
>>2629989all those guns and they use em for this lame shit
>>2629993Terrorizing gusanos is an undeniable moral good.
>>2629997You are worse than maga people with this blatantly wanting immigrants in the usa killed
>>2629989could be an anti-immigrant shooter who didn't discriminate the gusanos from other latinos. but apparently an argument broke out before the shooting, so it could be something else entirely
>>2629997it is of no strategic value. it accomplishes nothing.
>Reports of misunderstanding between Caracas security units following gunfire - CNN
Gunfire and anti-aircraft fire seen in videos over the Venezuelan capital Caracas Monday evening comes as the city is on edge and security services on heightened alert following the US attack and capture of President Nicolás Maduro.
Video verified by CNN shows anti-aircraft fire over the Caracas. In separate video verified by CNN audible gunfire could also be heard amid reports of confusion between security units in the capital.
One resident, who spoke to CNN on condition of anonymity, said they heard gunfire close to Urdaneta Ave near the Miraflores presidential palace.
Venezuela’s Ministry of Communication and Information said police fired at drones that were “flying without permission.”
“No confrontation occurred, and the entire country is completely calm,” the ministry said. It did not say who might have been flying the drones.
A White House official told CNN they are closely tracking the reports of gunfire out of Venezuela, but noted that “the US is not involved.”
“Misunderstanding”: Discussions between paramilitary groups associated with the regime and heard by CNN indicate the gunfire was related to ongoing confusion between different security groups operating near the Miraflores presidential palace.
A member of one of these groups, called colectivos, can be heard calling for support and backup, following “confrontations” at the palace and that “several shots were heard.”
Then, another member can be heard saying there was a “misunderstanding” and confusion after shots were fired. The speaker said the situation was now calm.
Later, what appears to be the first speaker said that a drone that had been flying in the area was fired upon by members of the Miraflores Police and palace security, but the situation was now “under control.”
>>2629987free jack wu
>>2629989>>2629997this is pretty dark boys. this is a vile hate crime even if they are gusanos. you just know the sicko that shot them read some flyer, saw that they were venezuelan, and didn't understand they were wealthy reactoid guests of the state department, just figured they were some flavor of mexican that the president told them to hate.
>>2630000looking at the numbers for hate crime mass shootings the odds it's anything other than a maggot with an axe to grind are remarkably slim.
>>2630009>you just know the sicko that shot them read some flyersource.
>this is a vile hate crime even if they are gusanosreatoid on reactoid violence.
>>2630000>>2630009>hate crimeCope. Zionists say this every time they get shot.
>>2630008The passion of the colectivos I've heard about is heartening, but I hope their coordination improves.
>>2629999The gusano is not simply an immigrant. The gusano is a rabid anti-communist animal that needs to be put down.
>Venezuela's Machado says she hasn't spoken to Trump since October"Actually, I spoke with President Trump on October 10, the same day the (Noble Peace) Prize was announced, (but) not since then," Machado said on Fox News' "Hannity" program.
"I'm planning to go as soon as possible back home," she told Fox News when asked about her plans to return to Venezuela.
The interview was Machado's first since the U.S. launched strikes on Venezuela on Saturday and captured its president
She welcomed the U.S. actions as "a huge step for humanity, for freedom and human dignity."
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuelas-machado-says-she-hasnt-spoken-trump-since-october-2026-01-06/ >>2630017If you saw a group of Russians in the usa holding a anti Putin protest you want them all shot and killed?
>>2630027I am glad you don't have power then.
>>2630026B-but everyone in Venezuela loves that America kidnapped their president! Reddit told me so!
>>2629987>RIGHTOIDS: YEAH BRUTALIZE PROTESTORS YEAH!!!! KILL THEM!!!!>also rightoids: wtf a chinese security guard pepper sprayed some protestors? MUH FREE SPEECH!How do rightoids function? The levels of cognitive dissonance they have to contain within their tiny minds would make me want to kill myself.
>>2630024Russian expats aren't necessarily anti-communist since the fall of the USSR.
>>2630006Caleb was such a genius coming up with the idea of an American Years of Lead. It's also not liberal thinking that the American state needs a Years of Lead to justify crackdowns on leftist. The bourgeois state would totally obey the rule law otherwise!
>>2630037what the fuck did sharpton do lol
people are saying there's gunshots in the venezuelan presidential palace. what's going on?
>>2630037who would win that battle royale?
>>2630047>Maduro>Heightmaxxed>Old
>Mangio>Youth pilled>Bad backNot good chances I'm afraid
>>2630011>>2630013bet. when it comes to shootings my money's on some fascist incel pervert any day of the week.
>>2630037TF did sharpton do?
>>2630055I mean… isn't he just correct here? What evidence would the Trump admin even put forth? The case even got sent to a judge that's been ruling against Trump. What will happen if they walk?
>>2630055yo did they bash his wife? what the fuck?
this artist sucks btw. shit is wonkier and has a worse likeness than a tattoo artists first portrait.
>>2630055They using AI to draw courtroom portraits lmfaoooo
I can't believe Mamdani didn't free Maduro from his cell in brooklyn.
Zero succdem solidarity
when did venezuela's oil infrastructure start to degrade?
>>2630055Who is the guy representing him? Is he interesting like Ramsey Clark?
>>2630067wait, how could u tell
>>2629556Butterface tits.
Still wood.
>>2630037dream blunt rotation
>>2629960i find this extremely worrying. what if the us gets away with it and venezuela fails to collapse into chaos
wish i had saved all the stupid shit marina has said to make a collage making fun of her
>>2630052>trumpist MAGA gusanos get shot>a MAGA did thisDemocrats are so goddamn stupid.
>>2630131too soon to be saying this
>>2630139She must be the traitor then.
>>2630077He can't, since AI has become available whenever a human does something bad, people pretend it's AI.
>>2630132yeah man. I think that in the united states of israelmerica the people that fire wildly at crowds of brown people are supremacist fascists.
>>2630144I'm not trusting the bourgeois media until more details come out cuz for all we know they're trying to facilitate instability amonst the ranks of Venezuela's government and its supporters.. The article says she's still loyal to Maduro. Your post is sus and probably fed.
>>2630139ugh did the feature to take a new screenshot on archive.is disappear?
https://archive.ph/8ZiNo >>2630157Not a "fed", just politically paranoid, due to a lack of information available.
>>2629527>Never any ideological cohesion even under Chavez>Crypto retards attempting to create their own memecoin autonomous regions>Guy who calls himself fucking DraculaDude I hate to say it, but at the end of the day we can't forget the fact that regardless of their supposed revolutionary potential and positioning, they are, above all, quirked up Latinos focused on swagging out lol
Where can I buy the PSUV NFT to support the bolivarian revolution?
>>2630157Dawg I'm sorry but the most likely culprit is her lol. Venezuela was never Marxist Leninist or at all coherent in their approach to revolution, at least not the coalition around Chavez, Maduro, and the PSUV. Latam loves to fling together random leftist bullshit and do whatever. They have a long history of refusing to follow the book and eating shit for it (of course a lot of which is due to American anti-communist propaganda and sabotage etc).
Don't mistake PSUV as some valiant cohesive and disciplined revolutionary force. They're just another teleological entity with vaguely left wing support that happens to be in control for now.
>>2630175(Cont) Latam essentially tries to reinvent the wheel and focus on Bolivarianism, which is way outdated and literally a liberal force (he was essentially Latam Napoleon) which was of course necessary for the turn of the 19th century, for emancipation and all that… But to go beyond that requires adopting a more universal theoretical approach like Cuba did, instead of bogging yourself down with old school cultural signifiers.
>>2629594Hold on. Do not try and retcon a false definition of dengism. Dengism requires a Marxist Leninist party at the helm and a birdcage capitalist mode economy with strong state intervention and authoritarian sovereignty. Venezuela does not have this. They never did. What Venezuela is doing is some weird clusterfuck of slapped together concepts with "socialism" written on the duct-tape.
>>2629629I personally don't think there is an alternative. I think they're doomed to runaway liberalization, subjugation, and general decline of quality of life until
maybe by some miracle some orthodox ML group can take advantage of a revolutionary break and seize power.
It's not like the PSUV are socdems or dem socs, they're some other weird shit and it isn't going well. They may be completely fucked.
>>2629656why did they change their minds?
>>2630219Who is Maduro's lawyer?
DICKS OUT FOR 'DURO 🍆
ZOHRAN, FREE OUR DURO !
>The woman with Trump’s blessing to lead VenezuelaWashington has built its transition plans around vice president Delcy Rodriguez, a canny operator close to the oil industry.
he US operation to capture President Nicolas Maduro at the weekend and spirit him out of Venezuela for trial in New York left in charge a woman Washington already knew well: vice president Delcy Rodriguez.
Rodriguez, a canny political operator, was envisaged as head of a transitional government in secret talks that her politician brother, Jorge, led with Washington last year about a post-Maduro future, said two people familiar with the discussions. At that time, the negotiations had involved Maduro going safely into exile.
The Trump administration had been “telegraphing that they were building [this transition] around Delcy for some time now,” said an investor in Venezuela. “They don’t see her being a lapdog, but she was always the one who was most constructive in all the negotiations with the US.”
The 56-year-old’s ascent has left her walking a tightrope. On the one hand, she must placate domestic audiences. At the same time, she faces alternate praise and threats from Trump, who on Sunday (Monday AEDT) said that if Venezuela’s new leaders “don’t behave, we will do a second strike” and that Rodriguez could “face a situation probably worse than Maduro”.
On Sunday night, Rodriguez struck a conciliatory tone towards the US, in a statement on social media, saying her government’s “priority” was “to move toward a balanced and respectful international relationship between the United States and Venezuela”.
But at an impromptu cabinet meeting on Saturday afternoon, she swore fealty to the ousted Maduro while flanked by top military and political officials, in an early sign of her need to keep Venezuelan hardliners on side — as well as possibly her own ideological intransigence.
“There is only one president in this country and his name is Nicolas Maduro,” Rodríguez said.
The Venezuelan Supreme Court bestowed on her presidential powers on an acting basis.
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who has acknowledged being in contact with Rodriguez, on Sunday appeared to recognise that her remarks were designed for domestic consumption.
“We’re going to make an assessment on the basis of what they do, not what they say publicly in the interim, not what they’ve done in the past in many cases, but what they do moving forward,” Rubio said of Venezuela’s de facto leadership. “So we’re going to find out.”
One diplomat in Caracas said Rodriguez’s belligerent comments were aimed at consolidating power and pacifying hardline ideologues. “She is at the more open end of the regime scale, but she’s still not an easy sell domestically or internationally,” the person said.
During the Biden administration, Rodriguez impressed executives with her pragmatism and grasp of detail when she led talks with international oil companies, including Chevron, which led to them being granted limited licences to operate in Venezuela.
“The US has assessed the state of play, and they have come to the conclusion that the only bench with any technical, political and territorial capability to deliver is Delcy and her team,” said a person with business ties in Venezuela.
Moderate revolutionary
Born in Caracas in 1969 to a left-wing guerrilla father who founded a Marxist political party, Rodriguez has a reputation in Venezuela as a shrewd political operator and no-nonsense economic troubleshooter.
That reputation seems to have made her the acceptable face of “chavismo”, the Venezuelan socialism named for Maduro’s predecessor, in Washington’s view. Still, people who know her say she is a committed Chavista, even if moderate relative to others.
“When I first met her, I spent two hours sitting on the veranda talking with her. She described for me in detail her father’s death at the hands of the security services. He was suffocated in his cell with tear gas,” said a former senior US official.
“She told the story with an intensity and almost a ferocity, which made it clear to me that she considered herself part of a revolutionary family and one that had made the ultimate sacrifice for the greater good of the revolution.”
Initially a relative minnow in Venezuela’s hierarchy under Hugo Chavez, she rose to prominence after Maduro came to power in 2013, helped by her brother Jorge, a trained psychiatrist who heads the national assembly and became Maduro’s chief political adviser.
Both siblings speak English — something high-profile Chavistas often play down — while Delcy also speaks French.
The siblings became pillars of Maduro’s regime, known for their loyalty. They also helped oversee fraudulent elections in 2024 that saw Maduro re-elected despite the opposition candidate winning by an independently verified margin of two-to-one.
“Delcy Rodriguez is a very intelligent and skilled negotiator, and has a tight grasp of the details,” said one former regional leader who dealt with Rodriguez several times. “There is a reason Maduro trusted her.”
Rodriguez became foreign minister in 2014 and minister of finance and energy from 2020, overseeing Venezuela’s main industry, oil. Brought in to stave off an economic collapse and turn around cratering oil production, she cut deals with US and other international energy companies and oversaw a loosening of price and currency controls.
Sanctioned in 2017 and 2018 by the US, Canada and the European Union for undermining democracy and abusing the rule of law, she caused uproar in Spain in 2020 with a clandestine visit to Madrid in a Turkish-flagged plane.
The root of the scandal, known in Spain as “Delcygate”, involved the alleged sale of more than $US68 million ($101 million) worth of gold bars to a Spanish businessman that Rodriguez facilitated, according to Spanish prosecutors.
International investors
At the same time, the Rodriguez siblings’ roles leading negotiations with international investors and the US under both the Biden and second Trump administrations put them in a powerful position to argue in Washington that they were the only people inside Venezuela capable of delivering quickly what the Americans want.
Ali Moshiri, a former executive at Chevron who is raising funds to invest in Venezuela’s oil sector, said Rodriguez was not “very motivated” by ideology and that her reforms of hydrocarbon laws allowed Chevron to return to Venezuela after being shut out by US sanctions.
“She is very well qualified, knows the oil business well, and also the flexibility that investors need,” he said. “She could lead a transition administration, but she needs help from the US, especially on sanctions relief.”
Her international exposure also led to the transition proposal that Rodriguez, her brother and other senior Venezuelan officials made to the US last year.
The idea was to present a “more acceptable” alternative to Maduro’s regime while giving him a safe exit to a third country, said people familiar with the situation. Although the talks ultimately came to nothing, they showed that the Trump administration’s first choice was not to remove Maduro by force.
Even after Maduro’s removal, his regime remains in place, including its two main security officials: Vladimir Padrino Lopez, head of the armed forces, and Diosdado Cabello, minister of the interior and head of the country’s feared informal militias known as “colectivos”.
They, not Rodriguez, hold direct sway over the security forces. There is also deep distrust between the civilian and military sides. As a sign of that, Cabello was listening in the room as Rodriguez spoke to Rubio, according to one person with connections to Venezuela’s ruling elite.
Nicholas Watson, managing director at Teneo, a consultancy, said that “Delcy’s only advantage is that she can probably trust her own brother Jorge”, but as both represent the civilian wing of chavismo, “it would be logical if they sought an alliance with actors from the security sphere to reinforce their position”.
Neither Rodriguez nor a Venezuelan government spokesperson responded to a request for comment.
In backing Rodriguez to run the government, the Trump administration also appears to have sidelined Venezuela’s democratic opposition and its main leader Maria Corina Machado, who won last year’s Nobel Peace Prize. Her ally Edmundo Gonzalez was regarded as the winner of the 2024 election.
In an interview with CBS, Rubio said that he had “admiration” for both Machado and Gonzalez, but neither was in a position to unseat the Chavista government that has been in power for more than a quarter-century.
Another problem, people said, was that Machado and Gonzalez lack any credibility with Venezuela’s security forces and Washington wanted someone to be able to take charge of the situation immediately.
“We have short-term things that have to be addressed right away,” Rubio said on Sunday. “We all want to have a bright future for Venezuela. All these things are good . . . but we’re talking about what happens over the next two to three weeks, and the next two to three months.”
Vanessa Neumann, a Venezuelan defence industry entrepreneur and former opposition envoy with close ties to the US security establishment, said: “Washington seems to be thinking that some sort of US praetorian guard will surround Delcy and start to increase [oil] production and prosperity.
“The question is, will it work? I think Delcy is going to dance the tango with Team Trump, and then she’s going to be stabbed in the back by Diosdado and Padrino Lopez, and then Trump will be back in a kinetic sense.”
https://www.afr.com/world/south-america/the-woman-with-trump-s-blessing-to-lead-venezuela-20260105-p5nrts >>2630222Barry Pollack, he is pretty high profile lawyer. Just one of his credentials is that he defended Julian Assange in his case
>>2630144There is a reason Chavez chose Maduro over her. They had a big falling out in the late 2000s. I wouldn't be surprised if she always had it out for Maduro
>>2630225This is a good writing about delcy i found now
>>2630206>general decline of quality of life The venezuelan government drove the economy and welfare state into the ground and already did neoliberal reforms crushing working class organization, with the PSUV submitting to Washington they'll open the foreign investment faucet at least if nothing else change which could improve the economy and general quality of life.
>>2630195critical support for girl boss machado crashing and ruining's trumps party
>>2630231Fair point. It would be wild to have to admit that accepting imperialism and competent liberalization is better than whatever the fuck they were doing. But such is the dialectic in the face of reality
>>2630131How would the EZLN fight for Venezuela unless the burgerreich tries the moronic idea of invading Mexico via Chiapas?
>>2630225>“We have short-term things that have to be addressed right away,” i wonder how much trump is motivated by the fact that he will die soon
>>2630245>I don't think there's anything that's going to get me into heaven - Trump I like to imagine if Trump ever finds out he's terminal, if he started going to Catholic confession in a desperate last minute appeal to pascals wager.
Another scenario I think would be funny is if he just shoots everyone around him and then himself
>>2630231SANCTIONS drove the economy and the welfare state into the ground. the united states is the only "developed" economy in the world that is still wholly dependent on oil with no transition plan and they refused to allow the venezuelans to sell it to them.
>>2630253I actually worry Trump might do something dangerous, if he's close to dying.
>Why Venezuela's New Leader, Delcy Rodriguez, Is Who Global Oil Wanted All Along>Oil companies with interests in Venezuela, home to some of the world's largest hydrocarbon reserves, now want to make sure that the Trump administration swiftly eases those sanctions to ensure that Rodriguez can start delivering results - bloombergthe US threatened Nicolas Maduro's grip on power in recent months, a cadre of executives, lawyers and investors tied to the oil industry made their case to anyone who would listen – the Trump administration, congressional aides: his familiar No. 2, Delcy Rodriguez, should fill his shoes in Venezuela.
An oil minister herself, Rodriguez has long been the go-to contact for senior executives, whom she impressed by navigating Venezuela's industry through international sanctions, economic pressures and internal mismanagement. Her loyalty to the Maduro regime notwithstanding, she'd be best positioned to shepherd through the US plan to restore Venezuela to its glory days as an oil gusher, argued executives and lobbyists.
President Donald Trump's inner circle came to the same conclusion, though people familiar with the matter say they did so independently. Both groups believed that the vice president, long seen as a bridge between the government and private sector, could stabilise Venezuela's oil-based economy and facilitate American business faster than leading dissident Maria Corina Machado could, said the people.
Administration officials were mindful of the chaos that ensued in Iraq after the fall of Saddam Hussein. Business interests aside, maintaining a semblance of business continuity will be critical to a successful transition – one that the Trump administration has yet to define. And Rodriguez fits both those bills: she oversees Venezuela's oil apparatus and has decades of relationships among the remaining socialist stronghold in government.
advocates for Rodriguez didn't directly include the biggest US oil majors, who were surprised by the removal of Maduro and are still racing to figure out how to work with Washington on next steps, according to people familiar with the matter. But there's a wider universe of US and international companies that have operated in Venezuela for years, and many have contacts in the White House and on Capitol Hill, the people said.
A spokesperson for Chevron Corp., the only major US oil company licensed to operate in Venezuela, said it "had no advance notice of the recent operation and did not engage in any discussions with administration officials regarding governance for a post-Maduro Venezuela." It also said operations in the country were continuing uninterrupted and in full compliance with laws and regulations.
triumphal press conference Saturday, Trump endorsed Rodriguez to lead Venezuela for now. Machado, he said, lacked "respect" to lead the country, a stunning blow to the recent Nobel Peace Prize winner and the regime opponents at home and abroad who have pinned their hopes on her.
The White House declined to comment beyond remarks made Sunday by Secretary of State and National Security Adviser Marco Rubio, who is playing a key role in managing Venezuela. He said that the US would leverage its oil blockade and regional military presence to further its policy goals. He also said the US would watch Rodriguez's actions more than her rhetoric.
In a Bloomberg Television appearance Monday, Greylock Capital Management Chief Executive Hans Humes, who is part of the creditor committee of Venezuela's sovereign debt, reiterated what some global oil executives have said in private regarding Rodriguez: "If you want somebody who can operate in reasonably OK conditions, get the person who operated in the worst conditions," he said.
He added that Trump was making a big gamble, one that, if successful, could "reorder the entire energy configuration of the world."
Global Oil Interests
Oil companies with interests in Venezuela, home to some of the world's largest hydrocarbon reserves, now want to make sure that the Trump administration swiftly eases those sanctions to ensure that Rodriguez can start delivering results. There is no time to waste, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to speak publicly.
In late December, Venezuela had already started closing oil wells because it had run out of storage to hold production stranded by the blockade. More shut-ins would make it harder for Venezuela to recover its economy and jeopardise Rodriguez's hold on power, the sources said.
So far she looks to be consolidating control on the regime's existing foundations. On Monday, she was sworn in by the National Assembly as acting president. In a fiery speech on Saturday, she described Maduro's capture as a "kidnapping" and called for his return, but the sources said they believe her rhetoric was meant to shield her from internal reprisals.
Sunday, she took a more conciliatory tone, inviting the US "to work together on a cooperation agenda, aimed at shared development, within the framework of international law, and to strengthen lasting community coexistence."
Rodriguez, 56, had been a key figure in Maduro's tight inner circle, heading a string of key portfolios, including the Foreign Ministry that enabled her to build international bridges. She was named oil minister in 2024 after Maduro's widely contested reelection, putting her in charge of the national oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela SA, with the task of cleaning up corruption and bringing more transparency to the bloated firm's accounts.
An accomplished table tennis player, Rodriguez regularly fields calls from senior executives at international oil companies, from Houston to Mumbai, and has longstanding relationships in Beijing and Moscow, which she visits on her government jet.
One of the companies with the most to gain from a successful revival of Venezuela's oil industry is Chevron. ConocoPhillips, a US peer that's owed some $10 billion in unpaid arbitration awards from the 2007 state seizure of its Venezuelan assets, would gain as well if it decides to implement a proposal to return to the country to recoup its debt. Among non-US companies, Shell Plc has an offshore Venezuelan gas deal on ice that could be reactivated on short notice. Other incumbents in Venezuela include Spain's Repsol SA, Italy's Eni SpA and France's Maurel et Prom SA.
The Revolutionary's Daughter
Rodriguez began her political career under the late former President Hugo Chavez after graduating as a lawyer from the Central University of Venezuela.
Her father, Jorge Antonio Rodriguez, was a prominent leftist in the 1960s and 1970s and a Marxist party founder. He died in 1976 after being tortured in prison by state security forces, a defining feature of Delcy's political narrative. Her brother, Jorge Rodriguez, is another regime stalwart and was Maduro's long-time chief negotiator with the US.
Those who have worked alongside the new acting president often remark on her long hours, with Maduro recently saying she responded to messages well into the night and early morning. She was also by Maduro's side as he ordered the most aggressive wave of repression the country has seen to crack down on dissidents in the aftermath of his contested reelection in 2024.
In meetings with financial advisers in the weeks ahead of Maduro's capture, Rodriguez was very focused on the status of Venezuela's debts and relationships with US oil majors, among other international financial matters, according to one of the sources.
Such diligence, together with the absence of a US indictment that had dogged Maduro for years, made Rodriguez the favourite, not just for oil companies, but also some bondholders who are looking to restructure some $60 billion of debt.
The endorsement by the White House is "a very clear-eyed sort of realist approach," said Kimberly Breier, assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere Affairs during Trump's first term.
Rodriguez "liaises with energy companies, and they have been able to deal with her, but that doesn't mean she is a long-term solution," Breier added, highlighting her deep association with a regime blamed for widespread human rights violations.
In 2021 Rodriguez showed two Bloomberg News journalists the room at the Economy Ministry in downtown Caracas where she'd practise table tennis, with three of her sparring partners on hand to demonstrate. The cavernous space contained two ping-pong tables. Portraits of Maduro, Chavez and Simon Bolivar, who liberated Venezuela from Spanish rule, looked on
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-06/venezuela-s-new-leader-is-who-global-oil-wanted-all-along >>2630255Cuba was able to withstand much more than them because they have a competent ML centralist government. The sanctions definitely played a role but the ruling powers still carry blame for how they handled it. You're just going to have to face the facts. America was a known entity, and they went into this "revolution" without almost any discipline.
>>2630261known entity or not the americans are pirates and terrorists. they committed the crimes of theft, perfidy, espionage, and blackmail. blaming their victims is a piss poor excuse.
>>2630262Victim mentality is fucking bullshit and you sound like Kamala and the DNC when they lose.
>What were we supposed to do?? Orange man bad!Grow the fuck up. Venezuela had a moment to takeadvantage of a true revolutionary break and they blew it by not following the book. They chose to face the beast without a plan and ate shit. They were
foolish and
foolhardy. That is their fault. Full stop.
>>2630259>I actually worry Trump might do something dangerous, if he's close to dying.The US spooks and Israeli spooks are keeping that teflon motherfucker alive to 150. They'll use a vat if they have to. They have nobody else with his cult-leader mesmerism powers.
>>2630057You think Maduro will get a fair hearing? if they can't nail him on something, they will put pressure on the courts and slap maximum possible judgement on some formality.
what if they suicide him?
>>2630264shut the fuck up. the seppos are and have always been the fucking problem and you're a fuckwit.
>>2630270Listen it is very fucking simple.
If you take the fucking wheel and try to direct a revolution, and you eat shit
especially when others in your position have done well THAT
IS
YOUR
FAULT
>>2630267Would be really transparent considering how happy-go-lucky he is in every public appearance.
Actually… maybe he puts on the happy appearance just
because it makes it less tempting for them to suicide him? Is the 'Duro playing a bit of 2d chess here?
>>2630272I personally believe maduro is in on the whole thing. He knew this was coming, he's letting his VP throw him under the bus. This very well may all be kayfabe
>>2630250Trump is too narcissistic to become catholic. He is very protestant in attitude and would demand himself to be Pope Donald I
>>2630271nobody's doing well and when I open the job listings in my shit hole imperial core country the only ones hiring are the military industrial complex. WW3 is about to touch off and you want to blame the victims of imperialism for being subjugated.
fuck you, fuck you, die in a hole, go to hell.
>>2630281Motherfucker I am not blaming them for being subjugated, I'm blaming ''the retarded vaguardists" for not leading properly. They could have done this well, but they didn't follow the book.
Disguised beneath your moralism is utter cowardice and a refusal to understand the responsibility goes both ways, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE CONTROL OF AN ENTIRE COUNTRY FOR 25 FUCKING YEARS.
I hardly blame any other country, but when you have a fucking REVOLUTION… you need to do it right. They have 40 fucking years to get it right and never once did they follow leninist principles.
I blame them for dropping the ball with a golden opportunity.
>>2630286and again, I blame the professional revolutionaries, not the people themselves. It was the chavistas and the PSUV who shit the bed. They are to blame for failing the people of Venezuela.
>>2630286this is the hill you want to die on hey? it's venezuela's fault? not trump, not the g8, not neolibs, not adventurism, not regieme change?
shit bait.
>>2630293You are a dumb fucking retard. You can't blame the very predictable giant imperial machine for doing the things they have always done, that you should have expected. Your concept of blame and victimhood is warped.
Maduro is a fucking retard, if Lenin was resurrected in the 1970s, learned spanish, got some swag, and led the revolution, Venezuela would not be eating this much shit.
>>2630295it's trumps fault, america's fault, short male's fault, small dick energy's fault. bye bye earth, hello WW3.
>>2630300>small dick energy is to blameActually yes, that is the small dick energy of the Chavista movement. They're cucks who refuse to step up and go full hog.
Let me really drive this home: Venezuela is
so fucking god awful that having the VP now acting president allowing themselves to become fully imperialized may actually lead to a better quality of life for the people there.
Let that sink in… Liberalizing and reversing the revolution will be better than what they have now. That's how incompetent their leadership is.
Also ww3 isn't happening
Why Trump Refused to Back Venezuela’s Machado: Fears of Chaos, and Fraying Ties. U.S. intelligence suggested María Corina Machado, Venezuela’s opposition leader, would struggle to lead the government. But her relationship with Trump officials had been souring for months.
Even before the lightning-quick U.S. raid on Venezuela’s capital, President Trump had made a crucial decision about what would happen once the country’s leader, Nicolás Maduro, was out of the picture.
Mr. Trump would not be throwing his support behind María Corina Machado, the opposition leader who led a successful election campaign against Mr. Maduro in 2024 and had the greatest popular legitimacy to lead the nation.
Behind the scenes, Mr. Trump came to his conclusion based on several crucial factors, including U.S. intelligence that suggested the opposition would have trouble leading the government, and a souring relationship between Ms. Machado and top Trump officials, according to five people with knowledge of his decision-making.
“I think it would be very tough for her to be the leader,” Mr. Trump said over the weekend, after the mission ended with Mr. Maduro in U.S. custody. “She doesn’t have the support within, or the respect within, the country. She’s a very nice woman, but she doesn’t have the respect.”
Instead, Mr. Trump settled on Mr. Maduro’s vice president to take the helm.
For Ms. Machado, Mr. Trump’s comments landed like a gut punch, and it represented a public break for the United States with a leader who had spent more than a year trying to ingratiate herself to Mr. Trump — so much so that when Ms. Machado was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, which he covets, she dedicated it to him.
The president had been persuaded by arguments from senior officials, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who said that if the United States tried to back the opposition, it could further destabilize the country and require a more robust military presence inside the country. A classified C.I.A. intelligence analysis reflected that view, as well, according to a person familiar with the document.
For Mr. Trump, the focus in Venezuela is oil, not promoting democracy.
And even though Ms. Machado has gone out of her way to please Mr. Trump, in reality her relationship with the White House had been fraying for months. Senior U.S. officials had grown frustrated with her assessments of Mr. Maduro’s strength, feeling that she provided inaccurate reports that he was weak and on the verge of collapse. They also grew skeptical of her ability to seize power in Venezuela.
Representatives for Ms. Machado did not respond to requests for comment.
In fact, she had been a source of friction inside the Trump administration since soon after the president returned to office last January.
Shortly before a visit to the capital, Caracas, in January, Richard Grenell, Mr. Trump’s envoy, met with Ms. Machado’s representatives in the Waldorf Astoria hotel in Washington. Mr. Grenell asked them to arrange an in-person meeting with Ms. Machado in Caracas and for a list of political prisoners they wanted liberated.
But the in-person meeting never happened. Ms. Machado, despite promises from the American delegation that she would be protected, refused to meet with Mr. Grenell. Instead, a phone call was arranged during his visit, according to multiple people briefed on the call.
The phone call was cordial. But over time the relationship deteriorated, according to people briefed on the interactions. Ms. Machado and her team ignored the request for a list of political prisoners, out of apparent desire to avoid accusations of favoritism, or of intimating that her movement is taking part in the negotiations.
Mr. Grenell repeatedly pressed Ms. Machado to outline her plan for putting her surrogate candidate, Edmundo González, into office after she was barred from running. He grew frustrated when she expressed no concrete ideas of how to put the democratically elected government into power, according to people briefed on the conversations.
For her part, Ms. Machado was also upset that Mr. Grenell, unlike Mr. Rubio, did not forcefully denounce Mr. Maduro as illegitimate. Mr. Grenell told colleagues that such
Mr. Grenell declined to comment.
For now, Mr. Trump and Mr. Rubio have said they are focused on working with the interim president of Venezuela, Delcy Rodríguez, a vice president under Mr. Maduro.
“We are dealing with the immediate reality,” Mr. Rubio said on Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “The immediate reality is that, unfortunately and sadly, but unfortunately the vast majority of the opposition is no longer present inside of Venezuela. We have short-term things that have to be addressed right away.”
Freddy Guevara, a former Venezuelan congressman living in exile in New York and a member of Ms. Machado’s coalition, said that he did not know why the White House had chosen to move forward with Ms. Rodríguez, but his best guess was that it was the easiest path for now.
“I think the Americans are not betting on revolution, but on reforms,” he said.
He and fellow opposition members are now focused on pushing first for the release of political prisoners in Venezuela, and then for the ability to return to Venezuela and compete in open elections.
“We’re going to keep organizing people and doing our thing inside Venezuela,” Mr. Guevara said. “But the one who’s holding the gun now is the American government. And we hope that these guys learn that the Americans are not playing, and that now there’s a credible threat if they don’t comply.”
Mr. Trump’s embrace of Ms. Rodríguez is also forcing some Republicans, who have been staunch supporters of Ms. Machado, into difficult positions. Miami’s three Republican members of Congress faced repeated questions in a news conference on Saturday night about why Mr. Trump had dismissed Ms. Machado.
One of the lawmakers, Representative Mario Diaz-Balart, took offense at any suggestion that he or his colleagues no longer backed Ms. Machado. They reiterated their strong support for her but did not venture any explanations for Mr. Trump’s words.
“I’m convinced that when there are elections, whether there are new elections or there’s a decision to take the old elections, the last elections, that the next democratically elected president of Venezuela is going to be María Corina Machado,” Mr. Diaz-Balart said.
Ms. Machado, a scion of a conservative magnate, had built strong connections in the Republican Party over the decades spent in Venezuelan politics, but she appeared little prepared for the transformation of the party into a transactional, ideologically agnostic political machine under Mr. Trump
Categorical rejection of any talks or contact with Mr. Maduro’s government has been a bedrock of Ms. Machado’s political strategy, a strategy that has earned her the respect and support of a majority of Venezuelan people, but it has crippled her ability to build a broader coalition capable of enabling her bid for power.
Ms. Machado’s unequivocal support of sanctions has destroyed her relations with Venezuela’s business elite, which had built a modus vivendi with Mr. Maduro to continue working in the country after a quarter-century of his government’s rule.
Ms. Machado’s economic advisers have argued that every dollar going into Venezuela was a dollar for Mr. Maduro, a radical stance that had alienated many members of Venezuela’s civil society working to improve living conditions in the country. Her message had increasingly begun to mirror the views of the diaspora and deviated from the realities of people who remained in Venezuela.
As Mr. Trump tightened his economic sanctions over Venezuela in recent months, Ms Machado remained largely silent, reducing her statements to the praise of Mr. Trump and publicizing the suffering of the hundreds of Venezuelan political prisoners.
She has not issued a comment on the cancellation of most flights into Venezuela, the deportation of tens of thousands of Venezuelan migrants from the United States, the skyrocketing inflation in the country or the collapse of oil revenues, which finance the import of basic goods into the country.
Instead, members of Ms. Machado’s team and allies in exile took to social media to attack and discredit public figures whose work deviated from their views.
These actions cost Ms. Machado the support of members of the Democratic Party and many businesspeople, American and Venezuelan, who had interests in Venezuela and influence in Mr. Trump’s orbit.
Orlando J. Pérez, a professor of political science at the University of North Texas at Dallas, said Mr. Trump’s comment on Saturday about Ms. Machado shocked him.
“The statement that she is not respected inside, I think is, is not true on the face of it,” he said. “She clearly is the most popular opposition leader. She clearly has the legitimacy that the Nobel Peace Prize gives her.”
But Mr. Pérez said Mr. Trump’s comment reflected the infeasibility of Ms. Machado’s taking power without a significant American military presence
“They don’t have the levers of power,” he said of Ms. Machado and Mr. González. “They don’t have the institutions, and without us over assistance, they’re not going to get back into power in Venezuela.”
Mr. Trump’s comments were also widely noticed among Venezuelans in South Florida, who tend to feel deep affection for Ms. Machado.
“We were a little surprised by what he said about María Corina,” said Nelson Jiménez, 55, who left Venezuela in 2020.
Mr. Jiménez said Mr. Trump might be “ill informed” about how much support Ms. Machado has in Venezuela. “I think he’s wrong,” he said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/05/us/politics/trump-venezuela-machado.html?smid=tw-share>>2630264Kamala would've unironically been better
for foreign policy (
for, not
on), simply because foreign leaders wouldn't have had any illusions. We wouldn't see them groveling the way they do now:
OMG ART OF THE DEAL LET'S NEGOTIATE LET'S MAKE AN OFFER TRUMP IS DADDY, TRUMP'S BLOODLINES MAKE HIM A KING, TRUMP WALKS LIKE A KING, VENEZUELAN OIL OFFER (CONFIRMED?), LET'S NEGOTIATE A HOSTAGE RELEASE, ART OF THE DEAL, RUSSIAN-US TUNNEL, ART OF THE DEAL, TRUMP IS A GREAT MEDIATOR >>2630321yes typically democrats are preferred especially by foreign communist governments explicitly. They're still assholes, but they're predictable and less violent on average.
>>2630295>You can't blame the very predictable giant imperial machine for doing the things they have always doneof course you can and must. it's not like they haven't destroyed and overthrown countless ML states and movements over the years. Cuba might even be next. Though i suspect Iran is next in line for the Peace President's criminal rampage. Then Cuba.
(and then there will be "leftists" in here telling us Cuba isn't real socialism and not worth fighting for so better to just let it become another US puppet regime.)
They're a bunch of starstruck ninnies.
>>2630289lock up white english
>>2630326You are a fucking baby I swear to god
>>2630309bullshit.
and what exactly do you think is going to happen when that orange chimp is told to walk it back? worse shit.
>>2630326ML STATES ARE THE ONLY STATES THEY HAVEN'T OVERTHROWN AND THAT IS MY POINT JESUS CHRIST
>>2630326I swear to god people like you shouldn't be allowed keyboards
>>2630332dude, the fucking USSR. Nicaragua. Bukina Faso.
>>2630333great argument
the whole venezuela situation feels like a giant nothing burger
>>2630334Exception to the rule.
LIterally all 3 of them fell because they destalinized and lacked politcal unity. This is very evident by all the surviving and intelligent ML states like China, Vietnam, Cuba, DPRK (weird but still counts) and laos (also weird). They haven't been overthrown because they followed the book.
The USSR ate shit because they deviated. China and everyone else learned from that and now they're essentially invincible aside from cuba because it's literally right there. You are a fucking
dumb ass if you think that the PSUV have no culpability in this clusterfuck.
I'm done talking to you, you're a fucking coward faggot who if you ever were in a revolution, would spend the entire time blaming others instead of taking responsibility like a man. Fucking pussy I swear to god.
>>2630274>I personally believe maduro is in on the whole thing.me too and despite being a pro-chavista dengist tankie campist i got called a glowie for saying so
>>2630309>Venezuela is so fucking god awful that having the VP now acting president allowing themselves to become fully imperialized may actually lead to a better quality of life for the people there.agree
>>2630271>If you take the fucking wheel and try to direct a revolution, and you eat shit no half measures. and im pretty sure cuba and china told them so. i even think china told him to fold because he wasnt being aggressive enough with development and kinda sitting around not really increasing rate of production or doing import substitution. you even have russia setting a perfect example right there and instead 20 years of not having proper medicine when cuba is nextdoor developing novel pharmaceuticals. cubans stuck on an island repairing 70 yo cars and vuvezela dont even have one tank factory just cries about america bully. like wtf are you even doing
>>2630339>they followed the bookChina is the poster child of revisionism and not following the book
>>2630335NYGHA THEY BOMBED CARACAS AND KIDNAPPED CHAIRMAN BUSDRIVER
>>2630350Careful now, they will use very harsh words in a letter to you
>>2630339I would say that the Sandinistas have more control and popularity in Nicaragua than the PSUV at any point. Hot take but the PSUV decided to play liberal democracy because the USSR collapsed and the end of history belief was rampant so the ML model was seen as a failure and China was where all the toys were made for cheap. So Bolivarianism was supposed to be socialism for the 21st century and the pink tide. All of which collapsed due to the fact that socdems cannot compete against the brutality of the US. The PSUV should have done what the Socialist Unity Party in the DDR did and became a Vanguard Party, Communist infiltrate it and make it ingrained into the institutions like other ML states. This in the long term would at least make it stand up to siege like Cuba but much better. But alas it did not occur
>>2630351And left the whole government intact. Meanwhile the vp took over.
Nothing happened
>>2630360>Hot take but the PSUV decided to play liberal democracy because the USSR collapsed and the end of history belief was rampant so the ML model was seen as a failure I completely agree. The idea that the ML model was a failure was itself proven to be bullshit to me probably… 4 years ago? Retards call china revisionist but they don't understand that what china is doing is just what you do
after a successful revolution. In fact, they specifically refuse to destalinize, because they believe that was the central reason the USSR fell. China fucking rules and they're such a good example of how to do everything right as far as how to hold onto communist party control no matter what. It really is a shame everyone took the bait about china somehow being "revisionist" when they survived and have had a miracle, and are now the main opposition to US hegemony.
>>2630387it's the trot mind virus, plain and simple.
>>2630388magacoms cope and seethe multipolarity is here
>>2630391*Insert deng elder scroll*
>>2630387how are they challenging USA hegemony? they play by the USAs rules and are peaceful and the USA designates them their enemy anyway. they make mutually beneficial deals with various countries around the world and the USA threatens those countries not to take those deals. the USA has hundreds of military bases right at the PRCs doorstep. the PLA is confined to the borders of the PRC and therefore cannot counter USA coercive presence around the world. USA global hegemony is definitely still there and is looking pretty secure
>>2630399china challenges US hegemony by showing an alternative to chauvanism, adventurism, cartels, and scams.they challenge it by offering stability, prosperity, equal exchange, and trade.
president xi please help us, my people are suffering under capitalism.
>>2630399by constantly developing its productive forces while america decays. And then finally kicking the american corpse down when its fully weak
>>2630402yeah they "show" the alternative but people are not free to take that alternative. They get couped, sanctioned, bombed, etc.
The truth is China is not challenging US hegemony, they're building themselves up while US hegemony overextends itself to the point of decay and unsustainability. I think that is actually a good strategy, the problem is, it might not work, because climate change imposes urgency against the long game, and the US is psychotic enough to flip the table (
nuke everyone) if they lose.
>>2630408> because climate change imposes urgency against the long game, and the US is psychotic enough to flip the table (nuke everyone) if they lose.grim
>>2630408china is building up sovereign partners, and their results have not been so grim as you imply. why the fuck would they lean into open warfare? life's not a video game, it sucks and every day they avoid conflict is another day we can see the sun.
>the US is psychotic enough to flip the tablepretty much, but that's not really a credit to them is it?
>>2630420>why the fuck would they lean into open warfare?I didn't say they should. Did you think I was suggesting that? Notice I said:
<I think that is actually a good strategy,
>that's not really a credit to them is it?A credit to the US how? Morally? No. Strategically? I don't know. The nature of these US psychopaths is that, when they can't win, they make it so that everyone loses. That's ruthless. The US would rather be kings of a post apocalyptic dung heap than equals in a utopia. I don't know what that means in terms of "credit" and I don't know what China should do about it. "Do nothing, win" can only work for so long when the US antagonizes them in the South China Sea.
>>2630425>"Do nothing, win" can only work for so long when the US antagonizes them in the South China Sea.sir theres the other possibility that usa implodes into civil conflict. The usa cant really deal with the rest of the world if its too busy focusing on itself
>>2630408>the US is psychotic enough to flip the table they have definitely thought about that which is why they arent giving nukes to maduro or assramming taiwan atm
>>2630387I mean, look at most of the EU """socialist""" parties. After they downgraded from being anti-USSR "communists" of one flavor or another. Eventually not even Trotskyism or "marxism" fit them and fifteen rebrands later they are "socialist" in the sense one says "nordic socialism". They couldn't be more social imperialist if they tried. And they don't have to try, because politics is so far out of the hands of democracy in their liberal "democracies". That all they have to be is a PR agency in a mollifying holding pattern.
Invoking any sort of grievances towards the long dead USSR, much less it being the foundations of your movement, is a massive red herring, when not a red flag.
>>2630425> "Do nothing, win" can only work for so long when the US antagonizes them in the South China Sea.from where? vietnam is economically aligned, the philipenes are falling apart, indonesia joined brics, taiwan is looking at ukraine like "eww, no", singapore can't function in a south china sea conflict, australia looking at china like "president xi, my people are suffering under capitalism mate".
>>2630425look the way I see it is it's like when a meth head gets on the train and starts yelling: first thing you do is everyone starts looking each other in the eye to try to figure out if you're gonna smash the cunt or get off at the next stop.
can't really get off the earth so it's probably going to get hairy.
>>2630420>china is building up sovereign partnersI just watched Panama bail on China upon US request… Iran have its civilian nuclear infrastructure bombed… and the US pull off an extraction op in Venezuela moments after the Chinese were having economic discussions there. Meanwhile, European leaders push Sinophobia in between pretending to be receptive to China so that it doesn't assist Russia in Ukraine.
China is basically the Nice Guy.
>>2630449He doesn't care about sloppy seconds. He knows everyone would ridicule him if took a hand-me-down.
I doubt he really cares about it or wants to match Obama or whatever. It's another performance he puts on for MAGA retards.
>>2630430>sir theres the other possibility that usa implodes into civil conflict. The usa cant really deal with the rest of the world if its too busy focusing on itselfyes, let's hope that happens.
>>2630449>if you escalate the war i'll give you my nobel peace prizeperfect
>>2630454be the change you want to see in the world burgerbros. maximum chaos 2026
>>2630446>Panama bail on China upon US requestoh well, door's always open
>Iran have its civilian nuclear infrastructure bombedto no effect
> US pull off an extraction op in Venezuelaillegal
> after the Chinese were having economic discussionsyep, piss off a permanent UNSC member
>European leaders push Sinophobiawe already know they're racist bro
> so [china] doesn't assist Russia in Ukraineand a fine job they're doing
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009882359497.htmlhttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008075304044.html>China is basically the Nice Guy.china is a honeybadger. they got nukes and no fucks to give.
>>2630449>Give itOkay
>Share itNot good enough
>Trump putting Venezuela’s interim leader on ‘short leash’ – Politico
>The US wants to “whip” Delcy Rodriguez into taking several pro-American steps and then “dispose of her,” a source told the outlet
>>2630449Dear Machado, you claim to be against communism and yet you, the winner, want to
share your prize with Trump, the loser. Curious.
boys it's over for trump. bernie is gonna lead the senate in enacting a war powers declaration.
>>2630474>this circle on this hoodie is actually the swirl of freedom>me and my friends cut down a forestwhat a cunt. save the forest.
>@BRICSinfo
>7h
>🇷🇺🇺🇸 Russia tells the United States again to "immediately release" Nicolás Maduro.
Wow, deterrence and credibility matter. Blow it in one arena by not responding properly, you blow it all over. Who knew?
>>2630393>finally click on this shit that's spammed everywhere as some kinda crowning argument for dengism >includes statements from the us state department attempting to demonize china to back up Deng's beliefs none of you are gonna make it
>>2630444Iran or Venezuela again? Any bets?
>>2630483>boys it's over for trump. bernie is gonna lead the senate in enacting a war powers declaration.Dems really have no reason to even pretend to be in opposition anymore. They get a free term to repeat the Obama cycle.
Trump's admin could literally just decree the state sanctioned extermination, gas chambers and all, of whomever. And Dems would *still* get a victory next election for excluding certain subset of LGBT from the gas chambers… and "defeating" Trump. Politics is not a thing anymore. There is only culture war and glowops.
>U.S. intel assessed Maduro regime insiders best positioned to lead Venezuela, official tells NBC News
A recent classified intelligence assessment determined that top members of the Maduro regime were best positioned to lead Venezuela’s government and maintain stability if Maduro lost power, a U.S. official told NBC News.
That included Delcy Rodriguez, who was sworn in as the new president of the South American country yesterday, they said, adding that the assessment was a factor in the Trump administration not backing Maria Corina Machado, the opposition leader.
Trump said over the weekend that Machado didn’t have enough respect to lead Venezuela.
NBC News has not seen the assessment, which was first reported by The Wall Street Journal.
The White House is not officially commenting on the intelligence, but press secretary Karoline Leavitt provided this on-the-record statement: “President Trump is routinely briefed on domestic political dynamics all over the world.”
“The President and his national security team are making realistic decisions to finally ensure Venezuela aligns with the interests of the United States, and becomes a better country for the Venezuelan people,” she added.
>>2630483Can this fucking sheepdog keel over already?
>>2630521oh no one hillary clinton quote amongst 50 quotes of marx, engels, trotsky and lenin
>>2630444I've never bothered to investigate whether that's a legit signal or a confirmation bias that downplays misses, but assuming it's legit, it would have to be Iran, no? Unless the Americans have more business in the Western hemisphere while all their assets are there.
Might get that Ayatollah hit, after all.
>>2630449Uh, it's her turn, sis
>>2630597Multipolaroids think every US worker is like this LMAO
>>2630626this is what u look like posting on leftypol
>>2630626no I think they're like that fat cunt from new york that flew to palestine to steal someone's house.
>>2630654Luigi fought against the healthcare industry, which American 'leftists' agree with because they want free healthcare
Maduro fought for sovereignty, which American 'leftists' disagree with because that limits their treats
I ve seen a swarm of americans using gusanos to justify invading venezuela, with "venezuelans are celebrating" as a cheap excuse to manufacture conscent for 20 years of regime change and illegal genocide of venezuelans.
And i am extremely pissed because when i point that the US 2014 sanctions caused the worst humanitarian crisis and started it on venezuela, by disruptying their international trade and income, and starving venezuelans/causing the worst imigratory crisis, when i call out the opposition coup planning history, and i call out how americans want to enslave venezuelans under chevron/exxon mobil they either deflect, justify it or dont respond! it is like TALKING TO A BRICK WALL
>>2630657Luigi clears Maduro and any islamist terrorist lmao.
>>2630654I find it so interesting that the government was far more afraid of Luigi than of the leader of a sovereign nation to have to surround Luigi with this many men with guns.
Will Delcy bend the knee to the bürgerreich?
>>2630681>please attribute this to the US description of the operationYeah, ngl, UK is so cucked it's not even funny. They got the call from the US embassy. Also, this is important that words matter and a perfect example of westoid censorship that they accuse other countries of. You are shitholes westoids.
Asked to comment, Miller confirmed Washington’s ambitions. “The president has been clear for months that the US should have Greenland as part of the overall security apparatus. That has been the formal position of the US government since the beginning of this administration,” he told CNN on Monday.
Pressed on whether military action was being considered, Miller deflected the question but insisted “nobody is going to fight the US militarily over the future of Greenland.” He questioned Denmark’s claim to the territory, arguing, “obviously Greenland should be part of the US” if America, as NATO’s leading power, is to secure the Arctic.
https://swentr.site/news/630664-trumps-aide-greenland-claim/>>2629581Why the fuck is she repeating herself so much towards the end?
>>2630436>rebrands later they are "socialist" in the sense one says "nordic socialism". What I find funny about the constant glazing of the nordic model by various kinds of lib is that the whole thing is predicated on Norway being sovereign over it's oil and other natural resources to fund the generous social safety net in the first place. All these radlibs denouncing Maduro basically make it impossible for any country outside Northern Europe to follow the same playbook they insist is best way to run a country.
>>2630741I honestly don't think anyone will ever know the actual results of the 2024 elections considering there is not a single actor involved I would trust to be honest about the numbers, although the PSUV numbers are way more believable than random opposition PACs just pulling random numbers out of there ass
>>2630750Idk man, the country looks like a shithole even worse than the other shitholes in south america. Evn if this is all because of american sanctions and not government inconpetence why would they vote for the same guy?
>>2630700I don’t understand this Greenland shit. What is Denmark not allowing the U.S to do or get from Greenland that the natsec state is willing to blow up nato over?
>>2630762You got it wrong. NATO will not blow up over this. The Euro vassals will take it in the ass and even thank America. Trump, being a sadist, enjoys bullying his vassals.
Remember how he humiliated Zelensky. What happened? Nothing. He knows the USA rules over them all.
I keep seeing people saying that Venezuela was the Rhineland moment, and Greenland would be Sudetenland.
>>2630741Legitimate.
The 'independent' body which declared that the 'true' results were a Maduro defeat was headed by none other than MACHADO.
>>2630755>>2630741Trump was on tape trying to rig the 2020 and 2024 election. I think most of trumps support is just created artificially by the media and fake polls. Trump was installed not elected, we’ve prolly hadn’t had a legitimate election in this country since Carter.
>>2630741Could the NEPmen vote? If yes then no
>Trump on Maduro:
>He is a violent guy, he gets up there and tries to imitate my dance a little bit.
>He killed millions of people, they have a torture chamber in the middle of Caracas that they are closing.>>2630769many people don't know, but gonzalez machado sent the 'voting ticket records' they had (1,200 out of 30,000) to a bank in panama to 'certify' the results.
they should have simply gone to the CIA as well, and get them CIA(tm) certified instead.
>>2630750>nonsense.Look I'm not interested in getting into an argument over this because it's irrelevant to what's happening now, and I'm not a true believer that the outcome of electoral politics is always sacred anyway. Sometimes when you're under siege you gotta crush your enemies.
>Banning several opposition candidates>Fuckery with vote counting>Massive discrepancy between polls and resultsMost polls will naturally be cucked in favor of the opposition but the difference is way too large to be believable. Compare this to the 2013 polls which were way closer to the actual results. Yesterday I posted some polling which shows that military action against Venezuela is unpopular among Venezuelans (obviously), but even these polls show he has an approval rating between 10-15% iirc.
The Carter Center is frequently cited by me and others who are pro-PSUV because they have judged previous Venezuelan elections legitimate despite bogus claims of fraud. This time they said they can not consider the election democratic.
Won't make any other posts about this because I don't care that he stole the election. Free Maduro, death to America.
>>2630326For you and thousands of twitter leftists, the response to this event is to just protest and complain about the US doing what it's always done, and never to actually look at what the Venezuelan government has done if we still go by the belief that they're socialists in any way. It all turns into uncritical defense of the govt of any country the US meddles with and rabid seething if people don't follow the same juvenile black and white view.
>>2630778>what the Venezuelan government has done…exist in the proximity of an empire hungering for land and resources?
>>2630764Maybe you’re right, although I think there’s a vast difference between embarrassing some proxy not even officially in NATO and handing them gibs anyways. VS occupying an ally, especially if you’re trying to make burgerriech happen, I see no reason to draw the ire of NATO while juggling a 3 theater war. I would hope if this Greenland shit goes down the euros would at bare minimum boot the U.S from nato and sanction them. Ideally begin funding proxies against the U.S in LatAm and Canada. Even more ideally invoking article 5, which would be the most funny outcome.
>>2630775>pollsmore nonsense.
lmao.
look how they didn't put any of the polls that put him winning on the right in the polling on the left.
listen, I am going to explain you so you don't post more nonsense.
once the gonzalez/machado duet claimed that the election was fraudulent (along other opposition parties, such as enrique marquez), Maduro asked all parties to audit the votes in the TSJ (scotus equivalent) in its electoral court, to validate the results.
none of the parties claiming fraud assisted or simply didn't make it legally binding (signing a document where they confirm their presence, they agree with the audit results, etc.).
>>2630762>What is Denmark not allowing the U.S to do or get from Greenland Probably nothing. But it's big and shiny and he wants it. Expanding territory = STRONG. Pissing in your vassal states' faces and making them say thank you shows strength. He probably wants it to say Trump Island when you look it up on google maps.
>>2630783None of that will happen, ideally what would happen is that the EU gets its shit together and at least become more militant which would make the conflict averse Trump back off for a year but they instead are not doing anything
>>2630659
>corrupt
0 proof, just repeating US propaganda
>opportunist
why?
kys glowie
>>2630778>uncritical defense of the govt of any countryYou focus on countries (Iran, Vuvu, etc.) while communist focus on the imperialist empire being cut off from parasitizing the rest of the world, making communism possible in the first place.
>>2630787He wants it cause some map projections make it look way bigger than it is
>>2630659
>brainless take
>leftcom
many such cases!
Trump:
>Maduro killed millions. He had a torture chamber in the middle of uh… Caracas.
Does anyone actually believe this shit?
>>2630799MAGA cultists, that's who this is for.
>>2630799here's more jelous of Maduro's dancing skills:
>>2630774 >>2630799The PSUV was meek and timid enough to sell out their boss and their country to the US, it is hard to believe they would torture political opponents, kind of like the russiagate is a hoax because of how Russia would never attack the west
>>2630803>to sell out their boss and their country to the USMaduro's son is backing up publicly Delcy. this "sell out their boss ", is another nonsense.
>>2630805Chavez's daughter too. Ignore schizoanon. Just point at him and laugh and move on.
>>2630805Oh so he's doing what trump asked! Meek again.
>>2630805It’s an obvious media op and I can’t believe people here are falling for it.
>>2630807and the earth is flat! meeeeeeek
>>2630775>The Carter Center is frequently cited by me and others who are pro-PSUV because they have judged previous Venezuelan elections legitimate despite bogus claims of fraudand now carter is dead and its just another US NGO imperialism tool
>Banning several opposition candidatesoh no, theres a legal process to follow to become a candidate, what a dictatorship!
>Fuckery with vote countingopposition claim this literally every election
>Massive discrepancy between polls and resultsbecause porky owned polling is the source of truth, why even bother with elections, it never happened that pollsters predicted something and the inverse happened by a wide margin (and plz forget about those other polls that showed him winning)
>I don't care that he stole the electionI care, because in the west, ""leftists"" completely accept imperialist narratives and lies and it simply destroy their ability to fight imperialism. Like seriously who the fuck do you hope to convince with "the result is good and he deserved it but the method is bad". Conceding imperialist lies is always the first step to defeat.
Its like trying to fight the palestinian genocide while accepting everything israel say about the palestinians.
>>2630812>opposition claim this literally every electionexcept the one where they win, ofc.
>Chávez killed MILLIONS of people
New propaganda just dropped
>>2630802
>Maduro not a bureaucrat
>bureacurat
the guy was a unionized bus driver, a grassroots leader, a minister in the bolivarian revolution and now the president, how the fuck is he a "bureaucrat"?
>who was abducting union members, killing indigenous people and imposing inhuman working conditions
any proof this was from the government or are you just making shit up now? its an area where tons of illegal uncontrolled shit happens you moron
>proles to fight for the administrators of their poverty
there are many large communes administrating themselves, usually in the poor areas, and they are big supporters
>the Venezuelan state is already thoroughly repressive
lmfao the US is a more repressive state than venezuela
>already pockets oil wealth
to fund social services…
>mobilizes the police force against its workers
you mean against the foreign and porkies backed gangsters
kys glowie
Trump:
>In Venezuela, they are marching, they loving it [Maduro being snatched]
>Only in New York do they hate it. Ugly people. Where do you get these people?!
Upside down reality
Left-“coms” are the kind of people who are only into Marxism for the intellectual aspect. They couldn’t care less for anti-imperialism or the plight of the working class, they just want to feel smarter than everyone else.
>>2630819that's hilarious
>>2630802
For all the supposed faults and limitations of Maduro and the Bolivarian state, venezuela has an objectively more robust welfare state than the fucking US and the only reason why it's not at the level of Nordic petro-economies is because the US has been really good at undermining it
>>2630826Could you fucking imagine if a not guilty gets handed down.
>>2630802
Why is it that almost every namefag here has the worst dogshit glowie opinions imaginable? If I had a nickel for every contentious self assured retard on this site I'd be bourgeois.
The Horrors of the Bureaucrat
PG-18
In your nearest theaters.
>>2630791Critical support to the aristocratic Old World European gentilhommes vs the nouveaux rich boorish American New World decadent plebeians.
>>2630831Glownonymous is the name automatically given to posters behind TOR lol
>>2630791one can only hope for 3rd world war between the us and europe
>>2630791Yeah oil is on fucking sale today stock up
>>2630791is it happening?
>>2630791Euros actually teaming up to fight the US would be so fucking funny and a hilarious way to go out.
>>2630851>Denmark fortified Greenland>US takeover failsplease let this happen.
>>2630855they won't. they'll roll over.
TACO
>>2630857rolling over inevitable, but they have a choice between doing it in front of russia or the usa
>>2630860they can definitely militarily resist russia. they've got no shot against the USA
>>2630851>Euros actually teaming up to fight the US would be so fucking funny and a hilarious way to go out.nah, the comments of retired lolnobody is very different from the executive branch of the European Union, see video.
same spokeperson, btw, that couldn't answer the question on the ICC warrant on netanyahu and got fired the journo who asked that question.
>fought for sovereignty, which American 'leftists' disagree with because that limits their treats
Stop lying
>>2630861>they can definitely militarily resist russiano they can't. not without gutting their welfare states and federalize under one military and intelligence hierarchy. but they would never do that, hence the capitulation to actual united superpowers
It's actually genius that they don't care about the Venezuela state. Maduro could probably get back if he gets to talk to Trump. The operation was just to achieve better oil deals and to intimitade Denmark lmao. Welcome to multipolarity.
>>2630870bro. ukraine fought them to a standstill. russian would not get through poland. they wouldn't be able to take finland or estonia. there is no multipolarity. russia is not a global power
Putting him with this 91 year old liberal judge that will probably acquit him on the firearms charges just contributes to my gut feeling that this was all essentially wrestling kayfabe that PSUV, The US military, the CIA, and even Maduro himself all agreed to beforehand
>>2630782No, because that's a given in this case, I mean actually mismanage the economy through unreal currency exchange rates held over from the oil boom era past a point where it was tenable, massive wealth extraction schemes, inadequate production levels for a far longer time than could ever be excused and actually not even going far enough, just halfway through enough to fuck up the capitalist economy but never enough (and ensuring whoever you apponit to manage an expropiated company doesn't just steal from it).
>>2630796Not really. I'm criticizing this annoying online leftist knee-jerk reaction against criticizing the Venezuelan government because otherwise you're doing the work of the enemy (saying something bad about US enemies materially advances their destruction somehow). This is an extremely annoying tendency and is especially present in this case as opposed to Iran because Iran kills communists even if they sometimes support Palestine. Venezuela has a red overcoat that fools a bunch of people instead, while they behave like a run of the mill right wing dictatorship against their citizens, and denying this at this point is just retarded.
>>2630787>Trump IslandSounds kinda pedo to me.
>>2630876>I'm criticizing this annoying online leftist knee-jerk reaction against criticizing the Venezuelan government because otherwise you're doing the work of the enemy (saying something bad about US enemies materially advances their destruction somehow).You had all these years to criticize them but suddenly after the US attacks them you feel the urge to do it now?
fuck off
>>2630874Russia and the DPRK produce twice the number of artillery shells than the entire EU provides to ukraine even after three years of existential warfare on your territory. Give it up, your continent is beyond cooked, no french or spanish troop will ever be dying on the frontlines of estonia lmfao
>>2630799Maduro didn't kill millions, a few thousand directly through protest repression is probably correct though. The torture center exists and it's called Helicoide. Actually look into it
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/venezuela-helicoide-torture/ and look for articles in other journals if you don't like this one.
>>2630812Why do you fucking morons always ignore, then eventually justify the CNE NEVER publishing the election results like they were supposed to?
>>2630881yeah yeah yeah. that didn't help them take ukraine. cite whatever statistic you want it's just cope. the results on the ground speak for themselves.
>>2630874>bro. ukraine fought them to a standstill.no they didn't. russia is advancing, and they wouldn't be begging for a ceasefire. and they only accomplished that (losing slowly) by emptying the stockpiles of nato which they can't do again.
>russian would not get through poland. ukraine's military is 3x the size of poland's and much more battle-hardened.
>they wouldn't be able to take finland or estonia.estonia is a microstate with barely a military and these countries have given most of their supplies to ukraine already.
I'm not saying Russia's going to move on any of these places, or do so any time soon, but once they finish with ukraine they certainly could, and all would be easier to defeat than ukraine was.
>>2630880You don't even know me you retarded moron. I lived in Venezuela until 2020 and have criticized the government whenever I've visited this board and this topic comes up because it's the subject of MLs sucking up to it any chance they get. I've seen these arguments a thousand times and they're always laughable.
I actually wish American leftists would even bother to interact with Spanish speaking communists because a lot of us have been criticizing them for years now, but Americans still have these dumb delusions about the country.
>>2630890I remember four years ago when I was told the SMO would be over in a few weeks/months
>>2630893You mean to tell me the Communist Party of Venezuela aren’t trotskyite wreckers?
>>2630876If a cop was beating you to steal something from you do you think leftists should use that exact moment to talk shit about you?
>>2630876>Venezuela has a red overcoat that fools a bunch of people instead, while they behave like a run of the mill right wing dictatorship against their citizensyeah, so right wing, they have tens of social programs, re-nationalized many neoliberalized strategic industries, and never dols them back.
>>2630883>Why do you fucking morons always ignore, then eventually justify the CNE NEVER publishing the electionbecause the CNE DID publish the results. literally they ran a press round with all their members (except opposition one) stating the results, the fucking same day of the presidential election.
>>2630895doesn't matter, it's just math bro. ukraine's was the biggest and strongest military in europe by far. it was reinforced by the collective military and economic resources of all the othger members, which means all the other european militaries have only gotten weaker still by doing so. if they can defeat ukraine, saying they're no match for poland is completely stupid.
>>2630900
Why are you doxxing yourself man
>>2630900
basado
>>2630900
Yooooo
>>2630902except that you know my name, Andrés, there's nothing in there.
>>2630896The PCV can criticize the PSUV as much as they want especially after they took their electoral card and party representation away. Would you expect them to remain silent and uncritically support Maduro even after fraudulent elections just because the alternative is a US stooge who outright says the country will take it up the ass and give away all the oil?
>>2630897This fucking argument again. Criticizing the Venezuelan government for their policies at any time changes nothing and actually could elevate the debate around it, evading it does nothing. Criticizing Hamas for their actions against Palestinians before Oct 7th changes nothing because these are just online forums, not a newsroom where you're saying things that could be misrepresented by people.
>>2630898Show me the results right now then.
>>2630900Y qué carajo me importa que vivas allá todavía. Me tengo que picar acaso? Maricón.
>>2630875I'm also of the belief that a kayfabe spectacle that was prearranged with Congress of Vienna levels of backroom deals is more believable than the whole Rodriguez betrayal theory.
>>2630900
Basado
>>2630906>Y qué carajo me importa que vivas allá todavía. Me tengo que picar acaso? Maricón.tu eres el que usó la carta de
muh viví en Venezuela, como si eso hubiera sido un "yo sé más de Venezuela que ustedes", chacho pajúo. ahora ve y hazle gárgaras a las bolas de trump.
>>2630870>united superpowers>Russian Federation>a superpowerRussia isn't built like that anymore
>>2630910Más bien espero verte haciendo gárgaras cuando la GNB te pare, te revise el teléfono ilegalmente y construya una película en su mente después de buscar una palabra para intentar extorsionarte de toda la plata en efectivo que cargues. Eso es lo que defiendes? Porque si se trata de montar espantapájaros yo también lo sé hacer.
Y sí sé más sobre Venezuela que un poco de pendejos que siempre meten la cabeza al suelo cuando se trata de decir la mínima cosa negativa sobre el gobierno de Maduro, aún si esto no implica defender una intervención militar para robar y extorsionar un gobierno.
>>2630915Yeah whatever man.
>>2630916Is /pol/ supporting Maduro or not? I don't want to go on that FBI honeypot.
>>2630791critical support to the oil barons in their struggle against oil barons
>>2630916It's actually interesting how schizo some of their takes are.
>>>2630910 (You)
>Más bien espero verte haciendo gárgaras cuando la GNB te pare, te revise el teléfono ilegalmente y construya una película en su mente después de buscar una palabra para intentar extorsionarte de toda la plata en efectivo que cargues. Eso es lo que defiendes? Porque si se trata de montar espantapájaros yo también lo sé hacer.
eres un derechairo de mierda. vete a tu chan de donde sea que saliste.
>>2630884>the results on the ground speak for themselves.The results on the ground being constant Russian advances, the decimation of the UAF, and the undeniable reality that NATO is unable to materially stop or defeat Russia.
>>2630926These are not the electoral bulletins that they were supposed to release. It's just saying the results.
>>2630927JAJAJAJAJAJA. Sabes que no puedes responder nada porque esta mierda SÍ pasa, pero como siempre, en esta vaina se trata es de negar la realidad cueste lo que cueste. Igual fuera de joda ojalá no te pase, no le deseo ese estrés a nadie por culpa de unos guardias muertos de hambre.
>>2630931another 3m² captured 😎😎😎😎😎😎
it only took the entire shell producing capacity of the global superpower the russian federation
>>2630932>These are not the electoral bulletins that they were supposed to release'bulletins' 'supposed to' aha.
>asked for the results.>post the video of the CNE main rector stating the results>"It's just saying the results."<NOOOOO NO THOSE RESULTSSSSS<THE ONES THAT MAKES WARNIA MACHUDO THE WINEERRR REEEEEagain, gargaréale las bolitas naranjas a trump.
>>2630934A video is not the list of electoral bulletins (las actas). Marico de pana que espero que esos 5 dólares que recibes entre todos los bonos valgan la pena a cambio de defender a ese gobierno de mierda que aparte secuestró un poco de gente por protestar después de las elecciones.
>>2630935i'm surprised his fanbase is giving him this much shit. fascists are uniquely stupid and capable of doublethink. how hasn't he conditioned to accept this pivot?
>>2630935nick has always been an inconsistent weasel who appeals to the lowest common denominator and flip flops on his positions, dont know why people are acting shocked now all of a sudden
>>2630896>You mean to tell me the Communist Party of Venezuela aren’t trotskyite wreckers?there are two branches.
X/formerly twitter PCV, who only has online presence, no mention or whatsoever in the street, and the grassroot movement that overthrew the corrupt leadership now living in X/formerly twitter PCV.
the former supported Enrique Marquez, well known anti-communist from COPEI ('democratic-Christians', who by the way, Philip Agee once explained they cooperated to kill nuns and fathers in central America. ask for the video if you want that), as I've explained so many times now.
his X, you can check the screenshots. simply search comunismo, socialismo, socialista, comunista, keywords in Spanish, and see here that I am not making that up.
https://x.com/ENRIQUEMARQUEZP'X/formerly twitter PCV.' backing Marquez's presidential race:
https://x.com/PCV_Venezuela/status/1805703504901836911 Even Democrats are being more based than “le dissident right” lmaooooo
>>2630947Rightoids have always been stooges, them pretending to be counterculture is wafer thin, as shown.
>>2630950They'll just use the Manifest Destiny solution.
>>2630950jokes on you they already thought of doing genocide
>>2630935being a right wing pundit is a lot like having a high end restaurant in the sense that the entire operation can be supported by the occasional whale who spends like 6k on wine on a single meal, that is, he can have like 10 followers if 1 of them is a rich billionaire
>>2630938>A video is not the list of electoral bulletins (las actas)The CNE never published 'las actas', never.
this is a mere example on how they presented the results.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200617110618/http://www.cne.gob.ve/resultado_presidencial_2012/r/1/reg_000000.htmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20130502043503/http://resultados.cne.gob.ve/resultado_presidencial_2013/r/1/reg_000000.htmlat best they presented results by desk, but never the electoral tickets.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190607200303/http://www.cne.gov.ve/ResultadosElecciones2018/index.phpthat you don't know that it's because you never cared how the results were presented.
>Marico de pana que espero que esos 5 dólares queah, pura proyeccion.
>>2630960can someone here explain why the election results were so close between the opposition and the PSUV in 2012 and 2013?
>>2630950guy hes replying to isnt even an american which makes it even more embarassing kek. hes a self hating brazillian gusano
>>2630935>>2630939i think the iraq war was a profound moment in american politics because it's the first time the earnings from the war machine were effectively decoupled from the pockets of americans, living conditions within the states have been deteriorating since the iraq war, the average taxpayer saw none of the return, so they're not falling for it anymore. the average brownshirt's agenda is full nativism, full stop.
>>2630963they are always are. we have too many people living in opposition. except one Chavez election, I thin in 2007, where he overwhelmingly destroyed the adversary, but because he was a moron, guy name's Manuel Rosales.
think of Bushisms.
like Rosales once said
An island surrounded by water, so Chavez defeated him 68 to 31 or something like that.
>>2630935being a right wing grifter is very similar to being an onlyfans whore in a lot of ways. look at how desperate he is for any sort if validation from online strangers.
>>2630935>right wing grifter does right wing grifter things<retards: le shockKeep it in isg
>>2630971>being a right wing grifter is very similar to being an onlyfans whore in a lot of ways.yeah he's also a link in a money laundering chain if that's what you mean
>>2630960the election result was fully reviewed and decided by the CNE and the Supreme Court. the Court requested all parties to submit their actas for review which almost all did, but the Machadists refused to submit their (totally real) and (not at all falsified well in advance) internet-posted actas proving they won in a massive landslide.
The Surpeme Court reviewed all the others and concluded they were consistent with the results CNE reported. End of story.
I also find it funny how Trump is now saying Machado doesn't have enough support to lead Venezuela, basically admitting that she and her puppet didn't actually win no landslide.
If the DSA controlled america and did a regime change in Canada would the anons here support the invasion?
>>2630976yep, I know. I am trying to explain to my gusano expat 'Venezuelan' compatriot that he's wrong on many levels.
Nick cultivated an audience of right wing third worldists and now he's flipped into being pro american empire.
This has always been a micro split in the right wing between pro american first worldists nazis and anti america third worldist nazis. But nick is a grifter who doesnt belive in anything just being transgressive for money and attention.
>>2630976>I also find it funny how Trump is now saying Machado doesn't have enough support to lead Venezuelathis if her little retarded wet napkin inmundo gonzalez had won trump would have made machado queen already
>>2630981>Nick cultivated an audience of right wing third worldistsyou're too retarded and perhaps you should be careful around kitchenware or you will hurt yourself
>>2630978AmeriKKKan nationalists be like:
>Let's turn the USA into a 95% brown country and ensure the democrats win every election from here on!Even if they pulled Israel tier levels of genocide and oppression in Latinx America, they simply can't outbreed and/or kill 700 million people.
>>2630997i mean there's no way to actually occupy the entire continent for one. this is just pigs literally masturbating, just wanking off having pederast fantasies of dominion.
>>2630976CEELA (Consejo de Expertos Electorales de Latinoamérica) also reviewed the results and said they were legit.
>>2631014
They found about three-fifty gorillion dollarydoos
>>2630996Lula, Petro and Sheinbaum are the only hope for Latin America.
>>2630458This is delusional, sorry comrade.
Reminder: PRC world trade is still mainly done in U$D, it's mostly
big talk. China's
weaker allies take it more seriously, but not China itself.
>illegalYou, like China, believe in the imperialist fairy tale that is the UN. Another massive blind spot.
Additionally: ML states aren't always "Stalinized" (to use your Trotskyist terminology here). In fact it is the period following the "deStalinization"; reform away from central planning and towards market mechanisms and allowing larger domestic role to the bourgeois stratas which have historically shown to be the main prerequisite for making the nominal socialist state brittle enough to be overthrown and regress/ get overthrown back into an outright bourgeois state again. As we surely all know, China has had more stability so far especially
thanks to the US/NATO under the neoliberal era literally let them: the imperialist bourgeoisie of G7/G20 benefited tremendously from the PRC (and regional allies
sans DPRK) letting foreign transnational capital hyperexploit their working classes. Now that era is over and China, Vietnam, Laos and to a lesser extent Cuba, still have their brittle, deStalinized people's states, are openly being dragged into a Second Cold War by the G7 imperialists, but the class-diluted, pacifist, bourgeoisified communist parties show clear reluctance to take the dialectically necessitated reforms back towards the left, to adjust to this more dangerous period.
This situation thus leaves at least me rather pessimistic, but optimistic for the emerging revolutionary potential in previously "deactivated" working classes of various overexploited subcontinental regions of the west, as this heightened aggression of the bourgeois states of G20 will rapidly deteriorate the ameliorative effects of the keynesian (welfare) and neoliberal (unipolar dominance, commodity abundance) periods are exchanged for a more grim social reality (neo-mercantilist / neo-fascist political economy, domestic return of colonialist repressive methods; militarization of police, surveillance state, reduction of civil liberties, etc.). This is an important prerequisite for disciplined, well-organized and revolutionary communists to succeed, as could be seen in the long period of Tsarist Russian imperialist degeneration counterposed to the invariant revolutionary international-communist programme of the Bolsheviks between 1905-1917.
The class is larger, more energetic and interconnected and urbanized than ever.
All that's needed is a capable organization that can match the tactics and strategy needed. Bye class compromise, bye long intermediary stage - we are most capable with the tools designed for the task: the party, the proletarian dictatorship and the first phase of communist production.
>>2630996Based Petro calling out the eternal crakkker
>>2630872>oilWhat’s actually lined up for Venezuela is not extraction, but asset stripping. The firms positioned to “re-enter” Venezuela are overwhelmingly financial, not productive. Asset managers like BlackRock are positioned to absorb distressed sovereign and PDVSA-linked debt, restructure it, and turn future production into collateral streams rather than national revenue. U.S. and European oil majors are waiting not to build capacity but for production-sharing agreements, arbitration rulings, and debt-for-equity swaps that cap output and guarantee rents. Sanctions relief is used as leverage not to expand capacity, but to discipline the state and force Venezuela into IMF-style restructuring, privatization, and legal subordination to Western capital markets. They want the Chinese to pay for this oil in dollars, a minor nuisance for Xi, a silly ploy for the western rentier oligarchs.
This is what happened in Iraq. They never built infrastructure to extract any oil, in fact production fell to 100 barrels a month at its lowest. In a derivatives-driven, dollar-hegemonic system, money is not made by flooding markets with oil. It is made by restricting supply, inflating prices, securitizing future flows, and extracting rents through debt instruments. That is the real play. Not oil for Americans. Not development for Venezuela.
When leftists say "they are just gonna take the oil" they are conceding terrain, its a losing argument. And it makes them no different from midwits like Tim Pool and Nick Fuentes who do Helldivers Warhammer 40k LARP.
>>2630600It's legit, because Pentagon putting in overtime and ordering take out means plans are being drawn up. They can just change their minds and not move forward with them.
>put in an all nighter>orange retard just says "nah"Which I am sure they appreciate.
>>2631032
The important thing is that you criticized the imperialised world at the right time and place.
You are always 100% correct, principled, measured, untouchable, and just.
Can you fuck off now?
>>2630876kys glowie
>mismanage the economy sanctions are the culprit not mismanagement
>massive wealth extraction schemessuch as?
>inadequate production levels according to who? you?
>actually not even going far enough<they didnt flip the communist switch so fuck them
>enough to fuck up the capitalist economy <the evil socialists fucked up our beautiful capitalist economy!
>leftist knee-jerk reaction against criticizing the Venezuelan government nothing knee jerk about it, we simply recognize a glowie who repeat unproven US propaganda as the imperialist slime he is
>they behave like a run of the mill right wing dictatorship against their citizens, and denying this at this point is just retarded.like seriously, how blatant can you get agent smith?
>>2631032
>y-youre a hecking neoliberal!
why do all commies repeat this cope?
If there is an attack against Greenland, I think it is safe to say the burgers know that a financial crisis is nearer than anticipated and will come about obviously through the AI bubble bursting.
Venezuela then would be a way to secure oil more so than to expand the US influence in the Caribbean. Greenland is short term a base to reach Europe in case American hegemony in the region fails.
>>2631032
delulu
>>2631025
>I hate anti-imperialist dem socs who are resisting American terror… because le commodity production exists
This wrecker behaviour is so tiresome. You're letting some entirely hypothetical notion of perfection get in the way of supporting anything that's actually real and working as an imperfect net positive.
>>2631047An attack on Greenland is going to lead immediately to world war 3 and frankly I'm okay with it at this point, I've resigned myself to the destruction of mankind
>>2631049I don't understand why you're even arguing with him. The ideological difference between us and the leftcom is as big as the difference between us and an ancap
>>2631043
Bro, you already said you thought Venezuela should let the U.S. plunder the country the last thread because it would be good for them. Just stop.
Gotta love the 100 trillion libs saying "but le Maduro was bad, he arrested people!" as if it has any relevance.
Meanwhile they have never once criticised the USA's Alligator Alcatraz, SECOT and Guantanamo facilities that commit far greater crimes on abducted civilians every fucking day.
>>2631046
because you lot will call any socdem a neoliberal. its delusional
>>2630891>thinking that lvla the eternal neoliberal cuck will do thatpeople are illiterate on brazillian politics, lula is what glowies in this thread says maduro is, when he isnt
Thread full
Sum1 bake
>>2631051>Neither Sheinbaum or Petro are resisting American terrorSee
>>2630996Of course they aren't as powerful as the US and don't want to provoke a war. They don't want to share Maduro's fate.
But to act as if they're doing and saying nothing is a flat lie.
(No this isn't a flood, the quote mark just disappeared so i'm reposting.)
>>2631053>The ideological difference between us and the leftcom is as big as the difference between us and an ancapWoah cool it
Bolivar (radical liberal bourgeois revolutionary), no need to get so heated, this is a communist (Marxist) board. Take that shit up with the present historical epoch.
>>2631052Is it, though? Strategically it's important, but the US already has several military bases to project hegemony. Sure Denmark would try leaving NATO and the EU internal politics would be a shitshow, but would the UK, France and Germany do anything more than use firm words condeming Trumpism (and not the US as a whole)?
There is also the question that Russia would then expand further into Ukraine and probably join together with Belarus. This would raise class conflict to a new level since they'd be forced to conscript a % of their own population to go off and die against Putler. In the long term, a US military base in Greenland actually reinforces the USA-EU alliance/vassalage by providing easier projection into Russia itself by the air and sea.
>>2631043
You are a first world fascist, tbh.
Petrodollar status?
>>2631068Posting on Xitter is not resisting American imperialism
>>2631075And what have you done to resist American imperialism?
>>2631070Denmark alone wont be able to do much, but I think if Trump straight up seizes Greenland you'll have most of the EU lining up to condemn the USA and draw up sanctions if not try and kick them out of NATO entirely, if only because Europeans are under the impression that they're the "wrong" area to do imperialism to
>>2631060
Feel free to suck this dick
>>2631028> They never built infrastructure to extract any oil, in fact production fell to 100 barrels a month at its lowestonly during the war.
>Not oil for Americansthe fuck you are talking about?
Paul Singer, one of trump campaign donors, orchestrated the acquisition of CITGO through illegal means (the way they presented the argument that CITGO wasn't a distinct legal figure than from the Venezuela's president. without Venezuelan's oil, because that refinery is specially designed to process highly sulphurated and sour., all of that company would fall apart. all of this is to secure that oil procurement to that refinery, making trump the richest man on the US.
https://prospect.org/2025/11/26/30-billion-dollar-identity-theft-of-venezuela/
>IN A SWORN DECLARATION IN APRIL 2017, Hernández argued that PDVSA and any and all subsidiaries and offshoots were “alter egos” of the Venezuelan government itself. He cited the government connections of most PDVSA board members, the use of PDVSA’s surpluses to fund social spending programs, and the periodic purges of Citgo executives and workers who were disloyal to the government—though not the participation of said purged executives and workers in the 2002 coup that briefly replaced Chávez with the Chamber of Commerce president—to make his case. In another filing in November, he argued that the various ministries and institutions of the Venezuelan government did not have distinct “legal personalities” under the Venezuelan constitution, and should instead be seen as “subdivisions of Venezuela.”
>So far, none of these conflicts have convinced Stark the process is irrevocably corrupted, but some observers are still holding out hope that they might convince him to re-evaluate the bids, and others are fairly certain the U.S. will intervene to halt the sale altogether if and when Maduro is overthrown.never happened, they sold CITGO below its original value and overthrew Maduro nonetheless.
>“The only good thing, potentially, is that everyone is incentivized for this to drag out another two years so they can rack up more hours,” a shareholder in one creditor told the Prospect. “When I started to get involved, everyone told me, watch out, the Maduro government is notoriously corrupt. But…the corruption of the American corporate lawyers working in Delaware courts has been pretty impressive, too.” >>2631032
>having empathy for the plight of the opressed is "sentimentalism"
You are the liberal. Liberals are the ones who are obsessed about "muh cold data and numbers" as if that's more important than the real lives of people.
>>2631028>When leftists say "they are just gonna take the oil" they are conceding terrainwhat are they conceding exactly, "it's about restricting supply" is more correct, but will normies understand "umm akshually it's about having control of the oil derivatives market and introducing novel financiallization instruments" the end result is the same: venezuela loses ownership of their own oil
>>2631028>>2631080 (me)
tl;dr, it's about oil, and you are a moron.
Flood detected; Post discarded.
>>2631080Do Americans benefit, though? Do gas prices get cheaper?
Notice how the leftcom doesn't mention Lula, because he actually fought Trump and WON. Bolsonaro is in prison and the US tariffs were lifted.
>>2631051>>2631022from the three, only Sheinbaum was actually meaningful with Venezuela. always, at least being nice and courteous with no snark comments.
the other two sold out. with their speeches, they alienated international support and ralying against imperialism.
petro: pact transition to democracy across all political parties (Maduro won, he needed no pact).
lula: we are concerned about Venezuela democracy.
his chief of advisor, celso amorin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1IJ5kWV49Q literally rallied to block Venezuela's ascension to the BRICS.
the two are crying tears, but they helped a lot.
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>>2631114>>2631067it is done my son
>>2630883>a few thousand directly through protest repression is probably correct thoughyou're insane, you dont hide "a few thousands" bodies that easily, especially in our era of everyone is a cameraman, in a country with a free press largely opposed to the government
>The torture center exists and it's called Helicoide<For the first 45 days of their imprisonment, three Venezuelan human rights defenders languished in a cold 13-by-13-foot cell. There was no natural light, fresh air, or communication with the outside world. Their only water source was the toilet pothole. Subject to what’s known as “white torture,” a method of psychological punishment the Nicolás Maduro government uses on political prisoners, thats just called supermax isolation which much of the democratic west use as well, and assange had to endure this for literal years lmao
now lets take a look at the report
first who write it?
Ms. Marta Valiñas (Portugal)
Mr. Alex Neve (Canada)
Ms. Maria Eloisa Quintero (Argentina/Mexico)
Mr. Francisco Cox Vial (Chile)
Ms. Patricia Tappatá Valdez (Argentina)
Mr. Paul Seils (United Kingdom)
mmmh, only people from countries that cant anger the US
>While lack of access to the Venezuelan territory creates challenges, the mentioned security concerns would likely curtail the Mission’s ability to conduct effective investigations in the country. The investigations related to the situation in Bolívar state faced the additional challenge of poor telecommunication infrastructure in the area.so they didnt even move their fat asses to the country. Starting well
>Moreover, the Mission’s capacity to carry out in-depth investigations beyond the current areas of focus was further curtailed by staffing concerns. Unstable and short term contractual arrangements, linked to unexpected staff transfers, resulted in significant staff turnoveroh and they had a skeleton crew of short term contractors to investigate
>The Mission continued to use “reasonable grounds to believe” as its standard of proof. This standard of proof is lower than that required in criminal proceedings for a criminal conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) as well as that required to sustain an indictmentso all this shit is basically hearsay
>The Mission conducted interviews with 246 individuals during the present cycle (involving 140 men and 106 women), both in-person and remotely via secure telephone or video connectionsright, basically the investigation amounted to videocalls with political opponents of the government
so, completely worthless, literally 0 evidence, DISMISSED
>CNE NEVER publishing the election results like they were supposed to?but they did? it even went to the fucking supreme court to show it was legit
you're like a trumper still convinced dems stole the election long after everyone accepted it was just his retarded screeching
>>2631108
I accept your concession
>>2631022>Lula, Petro and Sheinbaumi dunno if they're "the only hope for latin america" but it's their ass on the line, if they don't cobble up some sort of military alliance, they may as well get kidnapped already
>>2630437Is Australia actually getting closer to China? Thought they were locking into the Sinophobia and insisting on being outside Asia
>>2630952Yeah there’s no industrialist left in the U.S. every porky wants do usury, renting, and land speculation. Especially now with the tariffs and free money being pumped into the stock market. The trump regime would have to at bare minimum turn off the free money spigot before chevron or Exxon considered investing in new refineries instead of making a stupid app or sitting on real estate.
>>2631060>>2631055>>2629015>>2628977>>2629238how neat we have our own pet glowie spamming our threads with US propaganda
>>2631155"only israeli intervention"
kek what this would be like? israel annexes iran over a 3000 year old book?
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