/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2630996
hes so based

>>2630996
Lula, Petro and Sheinbaum are the only hope for Latin America.

>>2630458
This is delusional, sorry comrade.
Reminder: PRC world trade is still mainly done in U$D, it's mostly big talk. China's weaker allies take it more seriously, but not China itself.
>illegal
You, like China, believe in the imperialist fairy tale that is the UN. Another massive blind spot.
Additionally: ML states aren't always "Stalinized" (to use your Trotskyist terminology here). In fact it is the period following the "deStalinization"; reform away from central planning and towards market mechanisms and allowing larger domestic role to the bourgeois stratas which have historically shown to be the main prerequisite for making the nominal socialist state brittle enough to be overthrown and regress/ get overthrown back into an outright bourgeois state again. As we surely all know, China has had more stability so far especially thanks to the US/NATO under the neoliberal era literally let them: the imperialist bourgeoisie of G7/G20 benefited tremendously from the PRC (and regional allies sans DPRK) letting foreign transnational capital hyperexploit their working classes. Now that era is over and China, Vietnam, Laos and to a lesser extent Cuba, still have their brittle, deStalinized people's states, are openly being dragged into a Second Cold War by the G7 imperialists, but the class-diluted, pacifist, bourgeoisified communist parties show clear reluctance to take the dialectically necessitated reforms back towards the left, to adjust to this more dangerous period.

This situation thus leaves at least me rather pessimistic, but optimistic for the emerging revolutionary potential in previously "deactivated" working classes of various overexploited subcontinental regions of the west, as this heightened aggression of the bourgeois states of G20 will rapidly deteriorate the ameliorative effects of the keynesian (welfare) and neoliberal (unipolar dominance, commodity abundance) periods are exchanged for a more grim social reality (neo-mercantilist / neo-fascist political economy, domestic return of colonialist repressive methods; militarization of police, surveillance state, reduction of civil liberties, etc.). This is an important prerequisite for disciplined, well-organized and revolutionary communists to succeed, as could be seen in the long period of Tsarist Russian imperialist degeneration counterposed to the invariant revolutionary international-communist programme of the Bolsheviks between 1905-1917.
The class is larger, more energetic and interconnected and urbanized than ever.
All that's needed is a capable organization that can match the tactics and strategy needed. Bye class compromise, bye long intermediary stage - we are most capable with the tools designed for the task: the party, the proletarian dictatorship and the first phase of communist production.

>>2631025
See >>2630822

>>2630996
Based Petro calling out the eternal crakkker

>>2630872
>oil
What’s actually lined up for Venezuela is not extraction, but asset stripping. The firms positioned to “re-enter” Venezuela are overwhelmingly financial, not productive. Asset managers like BlackRock are positioned to absorb distressed sovereign and PDVSA-linked debt, restructure it, and turn future production into collateral streams rather than national revenue. U.S. and European oil majors are waiting not to build capacity but for production-sharing agreements, arbitration rulings, and debt-for-equity swaps that cap output and guarantee rents. Sanctions relief is used as leverage not to expand capacity, but to discipline the state and force Venezuela into IMF-style restructuring, privatization, and legal subordination to Western capital markets. They want the Chinese to pay for this oil in dollars, a minor nuisance for Xi, a silly ploy for the western rentier oligarchs.

This is what happened in Iraq. They never built infrastructure to extract any oil, in fact production fell to 100 barrels a month at its lowest. In a derivatives-driven, dollar-hegemonic system, money is not made by flooding markets with oil. It is made by restricting supply, inflating prices, securitizing future flows, and extracting rents through debt instruments. That is the real play. Not oil for Americans. Not development for Venezuela.

When leftists say "they are just gonna take the oil" they are conceding terrain, its a losing argument. And it makes them no different from midwits like Tim Pool and Nick Fuentes who do Helldivers Warhammer 40k LARP.

>>2630600
It's legit, because Pentagon putting in overtime and ordering take out means plans are being drawn up. They can just change their minds and not move forward with them.

>put in an all nighter
>orange retard just says "nah"
Which I am sure they appreciate.

>>2631035
Thanks read the full version here
https://xcancel.com/CDMorlock/status/2008366268462874726#m

>>2631032
The important thing is that you criticized the imperialised world at the right time and place.

You are always 100% correct, principled, measured, untouchable, and just.

Can you fuck off now?

>>2630876
kys glowie

>mismanage the economy
sanctions are the culprit not mismanagement

>massive wealth extraction schemes
such as?

>inadequate production levels
according to who? you?

>actually not even going far enough
<they didnt flip the communist switch so fuck them

>enough to fuck up the capitalist economy
<the evil socialists fucked up our beautiful capitalist economy!

>leftist knee-jerk reaction against criticizing the Venezuelan government
nothing knee jerk about it, we simply recognize a glowie who repeat unproven US propaganda as the imperialist slime he is

>they behave like a run of the mill right wing dictatorship against their citizens, and denying this at this point is just retarded.
like seriously, how blatant can you get agent smith?

>>2631032
>y-youre a hecking neoliberal!
why do all commies repeat this cope?

If there is an attack against Greenland, I think it is safe to say the burgers know that a financial crisis is nearer than anticipated and will come about obviously through the AI bubble bursting.

Venezuela then would be a way to secure oil more so than to expand the US influence in the Caribbean. Greenland is short term a base to reach Europe in case American hegemony in the region fails.

>>2631032
delulu

>>2631025
>I hate anti-imperialist dem socs who are resisting American terror… because le commodity production exists
This wrecker behaviour is so tiresome. You're letting some entirely hypothetical notion of perfection get in the way of supporting anything that's actually real and working as an imperfect net positive.

>>2631047
An attack on Greenland is going to lead immediately to world war 3 and frankly I'm okay with it at this point, I've resigned myself to the destruction of mankind

>>2631049
I don't understand why you're even arguing with him. The ideological difference between us and the leftcom is as big as the difference between us and an ancap

>>2631043
Bro, you already said you thought Venezuela should let the U.S. plunder the country the last thread because it would be good for them. Just stop.

Gotta love the 100 trillion libs saying "but le Maduro was bad, he arrested people!" as if it has any relevance.
Meanwhile they have never once criticised the USA's Alligator Alcatraz, SECOT and Guantanamo facilities that commit far greater crimes on abducted civilians every fucking day.

>>2631046
because you lot will call any socdem a neoliberal. its delusional

>>2630891
>thinking that lvla the eternal neoliberal cuck will do that

people are illiterate on brazillian politics, lula is what glowies in this thread says maduro is, when he isnt

>>2631049
>resisting American terror
Where are the american casualties? Where is the tit for tat or even a modicum of retaliation? Venezuela just posted on internet, they did nothing more than you, Luigi Mangioni killed more burger capitalists than the whole country of Venezuela, hell an anarchoid burning a US flag in Paris did more resisting than Venezuela.

Thread full

Sum1 bake

>>2631051
>Neither Sheinbaum or Petro are resisting American terror
See >>2630996
Of course they aren't as powerful as the US and don't want to provoke a war. They don't want to share Maduro's fate.
But to act as if they're doing and saying nothing is a flat lie.

(No this isn't a flood, the quote mark just disappeared so i'm reposting.)

>>2631053
>The ideological difference between us and the leftcom is as big as the difference between us and an ancap
Woah cool it Bolivar (radical liberal bourgeois revolutionary), no need to get so heated, this is a communist (Marxist) board. Take that shit up with the present historical epoch.

>>2631052
Is it, though? Strategically it's important, but the US already has several military bases to project hegemony. Sure Denmark would try leaving NATO and the EU internal politics would be a shitshow, but would the UK, France and Germany do anything more than use firm words condeming Trumpism (and not the US as a whole)?

There is also the question that Russia would then expand further into Ukraine and probably join together with Belarus. This would raise class conflict to a new level since they'd be forced to conscript a % of their own population to go off and die against Putler. In the long term, a US military base in Greenland actually reinforces the USA-EU alliance/vassalage by providing easier projection into Russia itself by the air and sea.

>>2631043
You are a first world fascist, tbh.

Petrodollar status?

>>2631068
Posting on Xitter is not resisting American imperialism

>>2631075
And what have you done to resist American imperialism?

>>2631070
Denmark alone wont be able to do much, but I think if Trump straight up seizes Greenland you'll have most of the EU lining up to condemn the USA and draw up sanctions if not try and kick them out of NATO entirely, if only because Europeans are under the impression that they're the "wrong" area to do imperialism to

>>2631060
Feel free to suck this dick

>>2631028
> They never built infrastructure to extract any oil, in fact production fell to 100 barrels a month at its lowest
only during the war.
>Not oil for Americans
the fuck you are talking about?
Paul Singer, one of trump campaign donors, orchestrated the acquisition of CITGO through illegal means (the way they presented the argument that CITGO wasn't a distinct legal figure than from the Venezuela's president. without Venezuelan's oil, because that refinery is specially designed to process highly sulphurated and sour., all of that company would fall apart. all of this is to secure that oil procurement to that refinery, making trump the richest man on the US.

https://prospect.org/2025/11/26/30-billion-dollar-identity-theft-of-venezuela/

>IN A SWORN DECLARATION IN APRIL 2017, Hernández argued that PDVSA and any and all subsidiaries and offshoots were “alter egos” of the Venezuelan government itself. He cited the government connections of most PDVSA board members, the use of PDVSA’s surpluses to fund social spending programs, and the periodic purges of Citgo executives and workers who were disloyal to the government—though not the participation of said purged executives and workers in the 2002 coup that briefly replaced Chávez with the Chamber of Commerce president—to make his case. In another filing in November, he argued that the various ministries and institutions of the Venezuelan government did not have distinct “legal personalities” under the Venezuelan constitution, and should instead be seen as “subdivisions of Venezuela.”

>So far, none of these conflicts have convinced Stark the process is irrevocably corrupted, but some observers are still holding out hope that they might convince him to re-evaluate the bids, and others are fairly certain the U.S. will intervene to halt the sale altogether if and when Maduro is overthrown.
never happened, they sold CITGO below its original value and overthrew Maduro nonetheless.

>“The only good thing, potentially, is that everyone is incentivized for this to drag out another two years so they can rack up more hours,” a shareholder in one creditor told the Prospect. “When I started to get involved, everyone told me, watch out, the Maduro government is notoriously corrupt. But…the corruption of the American corporate lawyers working in Delaware courts has been pretty impressive, too.”

>>2631032
>having empathy for the plight of the opressed is "sentimentalism"
You are the liberal. Liberals are the ones who are obsessed about "muh cold data and numbers" as if that's more important than the real lives of people.

>>2631028
>When leftists say "they are just gonna take the oil" they are conceding terrain
what are they conceding exactly, "it's about restricting supply" is more correct, but will normies understand "umm akshually it's about having control of the oil derivatives market and introducing novel financiallization instruments" the end result is the same: venezuela loses ownership of their own oil

>>2631028
>>2631080 (me)
tl;dr, it's about oil, and you are a moron.
Flood detected; Post discarded.

>>2631080
Do Americans benefit, though? Do gas prices get cheaper?

Notice how the leftcom doesn't mention Lula, because he actually fought Trump and WON. Bolsonaro is in prison and the US tariffs were lifted.

>>2631102
WOW!

>>2631051
>>2631022
from the three, only Sheinbaum was actually meaningful with Venezuela. always, at least being nice and courteous with no snark comments.
the other two sold out. with their speeches, they alienated international support and ralying against imperialism.
petro: pact transition to democracy across all political parties (Maduro won, he needed no pact).
lula: we are concerned about Venezuela democracy. his chief of advisor, celso amorin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1IJ5kWV49Q literally rallied to block Venezuela's ascension to the BRICS.

the two are crying tears, but they helped a lot.

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>>2631067
it is done my son

>>2630883
>a few thousand directly through protest repression is probably correct though
you're insane, you dont hide "a few thousands" bodies that easily, especially in our era of everyone is a cameraman, in a country with a free press largely opposed to the government

>The torture center exists and it's called Helicoide
<For the first 45 days of their imprisonment, three Venezuelan human rights defenders languished in a cold 13-by-13-foot cell. There was no natural light, fresh air, or communication with the outside world. Their only water source was the toilet pothole. Subject to what’s known as “white torture,” a method of psychological punishment the Nicolás Maduro government uses on political prisoners,
thats just called supermax isolation which much of the democratic west use as well, and assange had to endure this for literal years lmao

now lets take a look at the report
first who write it?
Ms. Marta Valiñas (Portugal)
Mr. Alex Neve (Canada)
Ms. Maria Eloisa Quintero (Argentina/Mexico)
Mr. Francisco Cox Vial (Chile)
Ms. Patricia Tappatá Valdez (Argentina)
Mr. Paul Seils (United Kingdom)
mmmh, only people from countries that cant anger the US

>While lack of access to the Venezuelan territory creates challenges, the mentioned security concerns would likely curtail the Mission’s ability to conduct effective investigations in the country. The investigations related to the situation in Bolívar state faced the additional challenge of poor telecommunication infrastructure in the area.
so they didnt even move their fat asses to the country. Starting well

>Moreover, the Mission’s capacity to carry out in-depth investigations beyond the current areas of focus was further curtailed by staffing concerns. Unstable and short term contractual arrangements, linked to unexpected staff transfers, resulted in significant staff turnover
oh and they had a skeleton crew of short term contractors to investigate

>The Mission continued to use “reasonable grounds to believe” as its standard of proof. This standard of proof is lower than that required in criminal proceedings for a criminal conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt) as well as that required to sustain an indictment
so all this shit is basically hearsay

>The Mission conducted interviews with 246 individuals during the present cycle (involving 140 men and 106 women), both in-person and remotely via secure telephone or video connections
right, basically the investigation amounted to videocalls with political opponents of the government
so, completely worthless, literally 0 evidence, DISMISSED




>CNE NEVER publishing the election results like they were supposed to?
but they did? it even went to the fucking supreme court to show it was legit
you're like a trumper still convinced dems stole the election long after everyone accepted it was just his retarded screeching

>>2631108
I accept your concession

>>2631022
>Lula, Petro and Sheinbaum
i dunno if they're "the only hope for latin america" but it's their ass on the line, if they don't cobble up some sort of military alliance, they may as well get kidnapped already

>>2630437
Is Australia actually getting closer to China? Thought they were locking into the Sinophobia and insisting on being outside Asia

You know what to do.

>>2630952
Yeah there’s no industrialist left in the U.S. every porky wants do usury, renting, and land speculation. Especially now with the tariffs and free money being pumped into the stock market. The trump regime would have to at bare minimum turn off the free money spigot before chevron or Exxon considered investing in new refineries instead of making a stupid app or sitting on real estate.

>>2631060
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>>2629015
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>>2629238
how neat we have our own pet glowie spamming our threads with US propaganda

>>2631155
"only israeli intervention"
kek what this would be like? israel annexes iran over a 3000 year old book?