/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2652692
Again, bloody sunday occured in a situation where the workers movement existed as an historical bloc.

This is not the case with these protests. They are driven by the sheer incredulity of moral offence at state sanctioned murder by that same entitled mentality which has driven them into an ideoloigcal gulf whereby they cannot reconcile their contradictory existence as workers and subjects of the bourgeois state.

There is no mass potential here other than that which gives rise to the basic conflict inherent in the confrontation between the classes and which principally gives rise to the capacity to agitate.

>>2652707
ok but you and the other anon agree that:

1. the current protests are disorganized
2. further organization is needed

>>2652626
>>2652628
I already accept that the centralization of powers is his end goal. My point is how is he going pacify the populace after doing so? If it’s by recreating the same conditions that started it and sharpening the class divide in the eyes of others I don’t see an end in sight. It’s not going to end with Minnesota because he hasn’t done anything to distract people from troops marching into their towns. He can strangle the liberal leadership until they cave but then you also have their heads now on the chopping block for the hoi polloi too. Ending the political theater of the liberals putting up a pseudoresistance only risks having the scales fall from their eyes. The sham keeps them inert.

>>2652686
>it was the eventual culmination in a long period of social decay in which a feudalist Russia was on the precipice of historical change in which its stagnation necessitated revolution. It was primarily due to the weakness of the Russian state that bloody sunday occurred.
bro literally describing the current US political situation for the last like 30 years and then follows it up with
>These protests are the tantrums by the remnants of the social democratic movement
but yeah I'm the one trolling for calling him out for being a concern troll.

>>2652690
I think if you just call rightoid pundits liars when they claim to be christian they will just peal clutch because they are the best in the world at lying about their own intentions. "well you can't REALLY prove my faith isn't authentic"

If you attack the religion directly as being retarded they get BTFO'd like the new atheists did to them
"haha you believe a boat held every animal on earth and a fish swallowed up a guy and a dude turned to salt"

>>2652667
>we've gone past the point you should be afraid of failure.
It's not about being afraid but having a better direction than a strike. Maybe after it fails we can really start convincing people to throw off the liberal and anarchist idiocy and become more militant.
>government collapses on its own anyway because the God-King is an 80 year old diabetic.
Don't count on it. When Trump dies if there is already a dictatorship in place they will use media to pump up the next leader as competent statesman who will clean up the country of terrorist antifa.
>>2652665
East Germans weren't really innocent and it's understandable why USSR demanded reparations at first. However, the capitalists started publicly pardoning Nazis by the 50s in order to fight communism while giving lots of financial support West Germany so the USSR should have dropped the reparations and focus on building the economy at that point.

>>2652733
The point isn't really to debate their religion, but to point out their real motivations and keep the conversation about that. As in, don't even take their claims of religious motivation seriously enough to even debate with them about it, except to maybe occasionally point out an inconsistency or hypocrisy to drive the point home that the religious talk is just smoke and mirrors.

>If you attack the religion directly as being retarded they get BTFO'd like the new atheists did to them
Except that the New Atheists failed. Badly. That's the whole point. They accomplished nothing. The United States is right now the most irreligious that it has ever been since people started tracking that sort of thing. It has stopped the right not a whit.

>>2652720
>My point is how is he going pacify the populace after doing so?
Sheer repression; there is no other answer except that to which the bureaucratic machinery has already been prepared for on the basis of its development as a police state, following the intergration of capital into its political organ of rule.

There is no end in sight because the measures that the state will take in enforcing the rule of law will be more brutal than those used by ICE, and will build upon every piece of legislature enacted following the war on terror for domestic pacification.

The instruments of class rule through its various media apparatus will simply be intensified to the point that any civil disorder will face surpression. Behind an increasingly militaristic agenda and a system of financial privileges afforded to the petite bourgeoisie for their continued support, the political landscape will be decimated by that same authoritarianism that Trump's supporters decry.

>>2652454
WTF, socially conservative comrade bros! Lenin is Malthusian eugenicist antinatalist pessimist anti-Christian values?!

>>2652756
i think the country becoming irreligious is the success of new atheism. the right is resorting to force because they no longer have cultural hegemony

>>2652757
I don't know if you're already aware of this but the more brutal the state's repression tactics get the more it affects the lives of everyday citizens. It's one thing when people just see ICE agents parked at schools and home depot to harass immigrants but it's another when the state has to crackdown not just on immigration but also any and all criticism of the regime, and then from there has to start eliminating aspects of "daily" life like elections or mass internet censorship or interstate travel/commerce just to maintain control. The more desperate they get to maintain power the more fragile their control becomes. There's no amount of citizens they can kill or imprison in a country with 300,000,000 people that will be enough to stop a revolution if the populace are radicalized. the hardest part is just getting the populace on your side, but Trump might just do that for us.

>>2652759
I would argue that the religious right had already mostly lost their cultural hegemony by the mid-2000s when New Atheism really started to take off.

>clavicular: "Yo Nick, I'm gonna bring some Girls over for you"

Nick fuentes - "Nah, I'm good"

>>2652763
It isn't about imprisoning the country but moderating the context of political thought such that the conditions may be created for the permanent use of its power based on a permanent state of exception.

>any and all criticism of the regime
It has quite literally already done this online; content feeds are moderated using military personnel and their intergration with the security state, and implicit content restrictions on social media companies that do not follow an acceptable political line are altered in such a way as to quite literally destroy opposing truths. This is to say nothing of the fact that said platforms are rife with Fascistic material which said companies actively sponsor.

>>2652773
>please don’t…
God, he’s so gay

>>2652775
The fact you can still access leftypol dot org without a vpn means the state hasn't gone far enough in censoring criticism of the regime tho. The more they push, the more frustrated the average citizen will become. They're aware of this which is why they only censor "mainstream" social media where large organizing can happen. But if people started mass organizing on decentralized platforms the government would have no choice but to crackdown on those communities as well.

The same principle applies irl. They are currently at the stage of low stakes, mostly performative displays of power to scare the vulnerable members of society into retreating. But as it escalates and starts to creep into the suburbs and disrupt the lives of the petit-bourgeois you'll start seeing more open resistance against the state. The crucial part is not letting the petit-boug hijack the movement into social democracy while still taking advantage of them to spread its message.

>>2652773
Nick want penis

>>2652759
The right does not depend on religion to produce sovereignity, at least not in the US. The right appeals to the base instincts of the atomized individual living in the imperial core who wants to keep their empire , and with it their welfare benefits. Once you remove morality and God(s) from the equation, as Nietzsche predicted the last man, the small man, маленький человек, to be a creature with flattened horizon and obsessed with validation from the system that coddled him

>>2652780
Gay Mexican Christian Nazi

>>2652713
real ACP footage (working 2025)

Are you doing fine in there, buddy? Do you need some help with that?

>>2652792
@grog put her in a bikini

>>2652528
if libs had any balls he would have actually been lynched

>>2652502
honeypot video, don't watch while logged in and using your normal IP.

>>2652773
saddest party i've ever fucking seen

>>2652713
Why do they all wear tight pants like that? In fact none of their suits fit

>>2652812
Probably some dumb trendy shit that's hip with the kids right now.

>>2652773
This year in the magazine we have plans to feature a variety of women as models. Of course the large majority of the internet left doesn't have any love for sex workers of any sort, and has a very puritan view of sexuality that I've always thought is alien to the reality of the masses, or atleast those engaged in alternative lifestyles. A lot of it is madonna/whore complex driven, and despite claims otherwise, many are restricted by their protestant christian views on these topics, even if they don't or never did identify as such, the superstructure still influences.

I want to create a strong juxaposition between the inceldom of the right wing, the redpill "men going their own way" misogyny that ultimately alienates young men from the very thing they seek with a sex positive narrative that says "look at the life style you could have if you had some fucking principles". I have never really liked the puritan outlook the online left has on social workers (read: you can get banned from the deprogram subreddit if you are one). Literally have been approached by numerous women about being in the magazine, all ideologically aligned women mind you, and I've consistently made the editorial choice to turn this down. I've always been afraid of allegations of "working for the male gaze" or "male chauvism" in regards to doing that, while also fearing the backlash from the online left for having that sort of content in the magazine.

But I know a few women who would love to do that sort of thing for the magazine, and my literal editorial partner is a lesbian woman telling me that its a good idea, so you know, fuck it, let's do it. Being a rightoid is so uncool.

average democrat

>>2652773
This uygha lookin' ZESTY, this uygha lookin' MOIST, he's got sugar in his tank, he's light on his feet, he's a Ill bit fruity, he plays for the other team, he dances at the other end of the ballroom, this uygha theatrical, this uygha good with colors, this uygha gonna coordinate yo curtains wit you cushions and that shit gonna look good! This uygha lifts shirts, this uygha on the down low, this uygha be a tollet trader, this uygha gardens uphill, this uygha packs fudge, he's a friend of Dorothy, he feels the love that dare not speak Its name, he loves to dance, he's of the Uranian brotherhood, he indulges in the French vice, he has an antipathic sexual Instinct, he's fluent in Polari, he's a refugee from Sodom, he's on the wrong bus, he bats for the other team, he's temperamental, he's 'one of them if you catch my drift.

>>2652628
>literally arguing AGAINST striking because it might provoke a police response
The fucking audacity you have to call yourself a Marxist and talk down to other socialists is astonishing. You are sincerely suggesting that workers should passively submit to the forces of reaction because otherwise the forces of reaction might get even meaner. You are a reactionary to your bone.

>>2652830
And it's not even in a tactical sense, not even in an "we should avoid X tactic because it is ultimately adventurist or in the long term negates our power building". It's purely doomerism and nihilism wrapped up in a blanket of "realism", as if having no hope is the most realistic option of them all.

Gramsci died in prison but was still an optimist of the fucking will.

>>2652640
The planned strike action has been endorsed by practically every Twin Cities union local. Any political party that even attempts to call itself Marxist is supportive of the move. Your completely unwarranted arrogance is nauseating. You clearly have little to no familiarity with what's actually happening in Minnesota and yet you suggest that anyone who doesn't endorse your proposed "tactic" of passively allowing themselves to be trampled under the boot of Trump's Gestapo is "denying reality".

>>2652835
My patience for doomers is running so fucking thin man. It was one thing to be a doomer in the 90s or the 2000s when militancy and class consciousness were all all-time lows, but we don't have time for that shit anymore. Conditions are quickly approaching revolutionary levels and so many of the "left" just want to plug their ears and pretend there's nothing any of us can do.

>>2652524
I'm pretty sure the white supremacist closing his eyes and searching for a safe space is a Jew. Not the Alex stein lolcow type of troll but an agitator all the same. Speaking of Jews, it looks like the people are getting wise to Michael Cohen's role in the epstein coverup. And for the last time, the male accuser of the cabal is a plant, the stories are phony, it's a rabbit hole to nowhere. There are plenty of victims on record with legal counsel 'in the files', the riley thing is a ridiculous distraction to discredit the survivors.
>>2652825
PAMELA, I am no longer attracted to you anymore… NOT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wPHxQMgdKs

>>2652839
I have always maintained a strong sense of revolutionary optimism and the only times it's challenged is when I effortpost about legitimate theory and legitimate lessons I've learned through my own experiences organizing, only to be met with AI-slop level responses telling me to kill myself.

It's as if those people have the ultimate goal of stopping any level of deeper discussion within these spaces, as if the zone is so flooded that the only thing you can count on when you try something is a "fuck you, I hope you fail".

All we can do is try, learn and try again. Praxis will not happen online, the best case use of the internet is in an Iskra sense, which is why I do what I do. Beyond that, this is more or less primarily a way to pass the time. There are people here who have donated to me/the magazine, and I was voted favorite namefag, so I can only assume this space has some level of real motherfuckers who are lurking and attempting praxis in the real world. Still, the constant doomerism/grillpilled nonsense is discouraging.

>>2652528
I was just literally LYNCHED
god i wish

hopefully they raise that $20,000 from rightoids and then get lynched.

How many people would you need to crisis-act a fake beating and grift booj rightoids?

>>2652847
At this point I am more interested in what needs to happen for liberals to be shaken out of their condition. Especially considering how naked the imperium has been acting in the Trumpian era.
By the leaked ICE documents the civil war is already on going and libs are still bitchposting about civility and restraint.

GREENLAND STATUS. IS THE HAPPENING GONNA HAPPEN

>>2652854
I doubt it. A new world order is emerging and the us won't be leading it. Also Donny's Achilles heel, the epstein case, isn't going away. A lot of the threats serve as distraction but I have a feeling the Senate will eventually have no other choice but to shut him down.

>>2652852


The most blood boiling thing has been all these liberals posting about how the police need to step up and side with the protestors against ICE. The police need to be out here protecting the people! Call the National Guard!

Are we a nation of goldfish? Does this shit not sound absolutely fucking ridiculous to anyone who was on the streets in the summer of 2020? To anyone who chanted "Abolish the police!"? And now, you have these same ratfink fucks talking about how we need to INCREASE, yes increase ICE funding so they can get proper police training! Sorry Chuck, but flashbanging newborns is PROPER POLICING IN THIS PRISON HOUSE OF NATIONS! Oh yes, I cannot wait to hear about how "abolish ICE" is an "unelectable cause" and so we should focus on "reform". Let's get them some body cameras so they can livestream the brutality Gaza style!

The goal is to normalize apartheid-style violence against one group, while hoping another group can be swayed by "normality" and consumerism. They want you to turn a blind eye to the struggles of Black and Brown people in this country so you can go get another matcha.

We cannot go back to brunch. We cannot stand by and let people be disappeared. People in America should look into what Pinochet did to dissenters under his rule. He would take them on helicopter rides and dump them, alive, into the ocean. He would publicly execute people to send a message. He would send death squads to places where dissenters, union organizers, and other leftists gathered, and kill them. There are active concentration camps in America right now. There are rumors that the regime is using ICE abductees to test things like Elon Musk's Neuralink. The average German did not know the horrors of the concentration camps until after they were liberated. Even in the age of information, it is safe to assume we do not have a full picture of the cruelty being inflicted in these death camps.

There are still people who think this is a "Trump" problem and blame those who didn't vote for Kamala for this, as if Kamala's number one campaign promise wasn't more ICE, more border patrol, and creating the "most lethal" military possible. Every single administration has supported increasing funding for ICE. The oppression of the worker and the fomentation of race-war politics is bipartisan, only masked by "decorum." America has been a fascist country long before Trump was elected—just ask anyone who lives on the rez, in the hood, or in the barrio.

I know damn well that a lot of these liberals do not care about the families being separated, or the inhumanity, or the cruelty, or the murdering of civilians, or the IDF training both ICE and our domestic police. They only care about the optics. Can’t you send people to camps a little quieter, a little nicer, with a little more decorum? So we can get back to brunch, please?

>>2652854
Funny market fluxes first.

>>2652860
>a new world order is emerging
the center cannot hold

>>2652867
Less words do better.