/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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Lenin said so

burger thread archive

>>2652435
yes, it was in this work he said so

You will write for HOUDINI Magazine.

It was the father-in-law, not the father

>>2652443
Damn, idk why Lenin suggested we kill ourselves so many times. Just once would have sufficed.

>>2652451
when Laura Marx, Marx's daughter, committed suicide with her husband Paul LaFargue, Lenin commended it, saying that we should all kill ourselves when we are feeble and no longer useful to the class struggle.

>>2652444
It's a terribly framed question, really. The missleading dichotomy assumes a necessary zero sum "domination", implies a false equivalence in the "type" of domination between USA and China, and leaves no option for neither to dominate.

But regardless. The volk are fascist, irredeemable treatlerites must have their labubus, total burger death unironically.

reuters is literally directed by a cia handler:
https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/posts/authors/dawn-scalici/
(404, archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20210127075833/https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/posts/authors/dawn-scalici/)
Just a cordial reminder.

>>2652456
>It's a terribly framed question, really.
OF COURSE IT IS
POLLS ARE THAT WAY BY DESIGN
THE MEDIA ARE THE STENOGRAPHERS OF THE RULING CLASS

>>2652454
>Killed herself before turning 70 like she planned
>She just didn't want to be old and annoying
>Needle with cyanide
>Death note is literally "I die with the supreme joy of knowing that at some future time, the cause to which I have been devoted for forty-five years will triumph.

>Long live Communism! Long Live the international socialism!"

That's the most metal shit I have ever read in my life

>>2652456
>But regardless. The volk are fascist, irredeemable treatlerites must have their labubus, total burger death unironically.
If that were true they wouldn't need to frame the question in such a misleading way. They would just ask if Americans would rather maintain their empire in Asia or withdraw to the Americas in exchange for China keeping out. The way its framed is essentially asking Americans if they would prefer to carve up the world with China or not let any one country dominate east Asia.

>>2652459
i don't get what her job is supposed to be

>>2652463
>I die with the supreme joy of knowing that at some future time, the cause to which I have been devoted for forty-five years will triumph

May that day come

>>2652464
don't argue with an unfalsifiable dogma. the fact that you argue proves you're a fascist treatlerite. if you don't argue you concede that you're a fascist treatlerite. "irredeemable" was also used. Literally christian nonsense.

>>2652435
magnitude 12 earthquake

>>2652317
>>2652317
You are wrong for making mistake of clinging vulgar 19th century dogmatism. Engels lived in free market capitalism, not imperialism. Engels line against tariff is materially and historically superseded. Free trade is imperialist, walmart line.

Lenin destroyed free trade reactionaries and used tariffs to crush capitalism and build industry. Study Lenin tariff line
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/13.htm

>>2652443
Superceded by historical praxis. The American worker must pursue the GDR road to socialism. The oppressor nations are actively at war with the oppressed nations and we must pursue a dedicated revolutionary defeatism. We must trust in the ability of our comrades in the periphery to organize revolution once we sabotage the empire enough.

>>2652359
>There's something about the removal of the foreskin that reactionaries associate with castration and makes them eternally frustrated
Cutting off skin and nerves from the penis make sex less enjoyable while castration destroys it all together so the only difference is in degree.
Seriously no leftist should defend the religious practice of genital mutilation especially on babies. Right wingers have realized many American men are resentful of literal hack doctors fucking up their genitalia at birth. Legitimate medical reasons for it are incredibly limited and basically only done to adults.

>>2652448
The guy is so obviously trying to make her former father-in-law talk shit about her and he wants to talk about Jesus lmao.

>>2652481
It kinda pisses me off when leftists take the liberal approach of just accepting the status quo as "normal" just because it makes conservatives mad or changing things might offend God's Chosen People.

Circumcision is disgusting and yet another reason we must eliminate religion from society.

boomers would LITERALLY sacrifice their kids for trump LMAO

Remember when Anarchists shot at a car killing a black teen then walked up and executed another black teen with a shot to the back of the head because they were doing a donut in a car. Meanwhile these Anarchists were pretending they were doing Warlordism over "Police brutality against Black bodies".
Anarkiddies truly are the most retarded movement in the US I swear.

Everything that happens in Minneapolis will be extended to the rest of the nation. Minneapolis is the state selected to be the test bed for ICE's war on the working class. We, as revolutionaries, should probably be in our communities preparing for these things: building our resources, reinforcing our networks, identifying bad faith actors, doing mutual aid, and knowing that the army of the regime is coming to take our neighbors. There are people in your community who are already actively against the status quo of armed terror in our streets.

These are things you cannot do if you are alienated from your community, yet we are tasked with standing up in this moment. This requires us to maintain an understanding of the contradictions we are navigating, to reduce egoism, and to use realpolitik (politics based on practical praxis rather than ideological purity) finesse to build and maintain dual power and cultural counter-hegemony within our local spheres.

If people who stand against this madness are loud and apply pressure, those who have no problems with it, or even support it, will have to be quieter about it. But the rightoids aren't the smartest people. They have this policy of "hiding their power level," wherein they know that their politics, beliefs, morals, and bigotry are morally unacceptable to others. In order to gain social power, they hide these beliefs and wear a mask. This is why they use dog whistles and wait until you're alone with them to show you their true colors.

The reality is, there are probably people within your community who are not allies but are hiding their power level. I've seen this in real time. Right-wingers are, for better or worse, actual understanders of how power moves: becoming indispensable, "irreplaceable," knowing people with social power, having monied connections, and doing things for people in order to ingratiate themselves to the community. Combine this with the dog whistles and 'back-alley' conversations, and those who discover that this person is indeed a bad faith actor will be met with, "He does such good work, there's no way!" or "He's too nice to be a racist," or "We need him because no one else is willing to do X." This logic allows the reactionary to test boundaries, recruit, and signal to allies while maintaining deniability within the larger, still-liberal hegemonic field.

Not to mention, rightoids will constantly use excuses like "hearing out both sides," "it's just dark humor," or "I just liked it ironically" to run fade for their beliefs and create more plausible deniability. They know that the majority of people are non-confrontational and do not want to create friction, because friction is bad for business. And then ICE shows up to abduct your food vendors at the show because the sound guy called them, and no one is going to know he called. No one is going to think that person was able to get that deep into a leftist circle.

And then, even if he's discovered, even if he's found out, retaliation becomes an issue. Especially if the person in question did have considerable social power within the community, they will feel wronged and perhaps "betrayed" for their beliefs. Will he call ICE and burn the whole spot? He loves guns and thinks the space is full of "black and brown savages" (the memes they engaged with said these exact things). Who's to say he's not a threat, especially given the racial biases of the justice system and how emboldened rightoids are with soldiers literally enacting their "day of the rope" dream on everyday people right now?

If the goal is to create a safe, or better yet, resilient community and community space, then this fear can very well have a chilling effect. The person who's worried about their safety due to their citizenship might feel even more threatened by the potential to be caught in the crosshairs of retaliation.

That's why, in theory, you have to have a zero tolerance policy for bigotry: for liking racist memes, for ironically posting shit about George Floyd, for making transphobic jokes, for engaging with right-wing content online. That's one of the easiest tells, because again, right-wing people are not that smart. Yeah, he follows five dozen white power accounts on IG, and people are seeing the memes he likes in their own feed because that's how IG works. They have poor opsec. When you start asking people in private, you learn, "He's showed me racist memes when we were alone," or "Yeah, we got into a debate about abortion and he got pretty heated about men's rights," or whatever the tell is.

Even still, the "he's just into dark humor" excuse has a lot of staying power; people do not want to believe people they place trust in are bigots. Furthermore, how does one distinguish between the necessary exclusion of a dangerous actor and the descent into sectarian purity spirals? How can community be built when there's limited room for growth and a purge-like logic is cast upon those who might engage in "wrongthink"?

Ironically, here, the 'business sense' created by the contradictions of a small business owner's position can be of use. The higher tolerance for ideological differences predicated by the need to maintain customers forces a longer-term sense of thinking, allowing those in that position to gauge the severity of risk with the person involved. There's a strong difference between someone who watches Fox News with their headphones on while sipping coffee in the cafe, and someone who is actively in a position to harm the community. Essentially, there's levels to this shit, and it would behoove you to understand this dialectically.

Most of our community in the US is based on small business locations: cafes, coffee shops, bars, venues, etc. This isn't a moral judgment; this is a material reality of our material conditions. There's a need to not create friction within these spaces due to the need to maintain customer base and profits. Ergo, there's a strong likelihood that these spaces will tolerate the right-winger who remains quiet about it longer than they will tolerate the revolutionary who is loud about having zero tolerance.

Just because you are trusted by members of the community doesn't mean you have power within that community to the degree where you can unilaterally make tactical decisions that create significant friction within the business that the community uses. Especially when you consider that the class position of the small business owner is often much closer to the position of the worker than it is to the banker/landlord class, often working shifts right alongside the workers. Even if they have the capacity to fire or exploit the workers, the levels of exploitation will vary.

Yes, there are small business tyrants that abuse their workers, use churn tactics, and pay minimum wage; these do deserve scorn. Yet there is a minority of business owners who, despite being beholden to the exploitation inherent within the capitalist superstructure, are using their position within said superstructure to provide infrastructure that is inherently praxis-oriented. Being a resilient space within a sea of reactionary oppression is praxis in its own right. Taking the same wage as your worker is a form of solidarity.

We exist within late-stage capitalist neoliberalism wherein the entire model has been individual business ownership as the primary source of strengthening your own material conditions. One way we can look at this is: one group seeks to become the multi-millionaire exploiter, to join the capitalist class; the other group seeks to, as Deng put it, "build our productive forces." We cannot build revolution if we have no place to organize, and our superstructural constraints—the material conditions within America—dictate that the bulk of these spaces will be small businesses. Perhaps a significant portion of the material resources will come from this same minority of principally aligned haute-bourgeoisie. This was true for the IRA, after all.

The revolutionary must engage these contradictions dialectically, not dismiss them dogmatically. It's the revolutionary who is tasked with threading the contradictions between the capitalist superstructure that requires the community to use a business space, the need for the business to maintain profits, and the ideological allyship of the small business owner in relation to the class conflict with the business owner. This means that even if the small business owner is operating on the same principled line of zero tolerance, community safety, mutual aid, and queer protection, they are still beholden to the contradictions created by the superstructure. They have to maintain some level of profit because the rent has to be paid; it's really that simple sometimes.

The revolutionary, the activist, the organizer, is not beholden to the same contradictions created by this class position, which enables a higher degree of personal risk. But this personal risk cannot translate to the rest of those who are ideologically aligned with the revolutionary. Someone who has two kids to feed is going to inherently move differently than someone who has no children. Someone who started a business to create infrastructure for the community has no choice but to navigate those class contradictions, but those contradictions do not inherently prevent their allyship based on principles.

Realpolitik means understanding these different positions within the class structure and forming alliances based on a clear-eyed assessment of these constraints, not on ideological purity. You must understand this.

As I've learned, maintaining an internet presence and being a known person creates its own set of superstructural contradictions. Protester logic and purity culture create an air of inability in terms of real network building. Are you confusing militancy for martyrdom?

For example: You, as a trusted member of your community, learn that another member of the community is living in moldy conditions with children. You tell this person you'll do whatever you can, and you mean it. Again, militancy or rashness? Because you quickly learn that the landlord also owns a small business downtown. Before the community member who's a lawyer can even walk the person through all of the legal options available to them, you're making Instagram posts, tagging the business, mobilizing people for a potential action. All of this doesn't come to pass because the mold gets fixed. Pyrrhic victory? Yes, the mold issue is resolved; a working-class woman and her kids are sleeping safer. But you've just burned bridges with people who have considerable 'social clout' within the larger local power structure.

Other comrades tell you exactly the truth: There are people in the community who could have fixed the moldy drywall without ever involving the landlord. There are people within the community who can speak to the landlord one-on-one without ever making a public call-out, and there are people who can provide legal support for the renter to help them get their rent back. One might immediately jump to the "fuck landlords" bit, or even claim that the class contradictions here are too great, and thus only the most complete "razing of the ground" is an acceptable tactic. That's the dogmatic thinking, and in a sense, egoism, that prevents long-term praxis from fermenting. Is your goal to build dual power, or to win a single victory? There is a fundamental difference between the revolutionary and the activist in this sense, even if so much of our political messaging confuses activism for revolutionary action; you cannot make the same mistake.

As I've learned, if you want to protect your community, you have to be able to manage the friction you're going to create within that community. For example: You know that at least one person in a position of power within the space is engaging in the type of content I mentioned above, and you have people who are coming to you, telling you that this makes them uncomfortable, or perhaps even unsafe due to their citizenship status. You're being told this because you're a trusted person within the community who knows the stakes in a real way. Another person in the community with no social power or clout is also found posting racist memes, maybe posted up online in a racist shirt. Again, someone else in the community brings this to you because you're trusted and treat the space like it's your own.

You decide to use your social capital within the community to call out this person loudly at an event, with the intent of using this person as an example to showcase the zero tolerance principles. A reasonable strategy? Maybe, maybe not. If you burn your social capital in an explosive move, you could find yourself alienated from the community you intended to protect. The mutual aid infrastructure is more important than winning a single confrontation. Every action must be weighed against its impact on that capacity.

The friction created by this call-out, especially at an event, alienates the customer base of the business that the community (and its pantry, and other mutual aid related projects) rely on. Think of it like a video game meter; the meter gets too high, you fail the mission. Even if the call-out works, perhaps damaging the reputation of the person in question or causing others to rally against their beliefs, there will be others who are alienated by the directness. Those people might also be people of considerably higher standing within the community, who might feel that this sort of escalation of tactics in the short term damages the long-term stability of the infrastructure that is, again, needed to maintain essential mutual aid work.

Ergo, the revolutionary needs to operate with more finesse. Realpolitik is the most challenging of politics. It is, as Gramsci put it, a war of position, not of maneuver.

How come leftypol has literally nothing like this shit? It's just nerds arguing and huge walls of text with no practical information on resisting the state. I wish I knew more about this stuff so I could contribute, but this place kinda sucks. Instead of memes making fun of the latest namefag does anyone have infographics on how to disrupt ICE or build cool anarchist tech?

tbh this probably deserves its own thread I'm just lazy.

>>2652501
Why do you bother writing this absolute fucking garbage

>>2652510
why do you bother responding

are upset that someone takes the things you claim to believe more seriously than you yourself do? are you going to write me an email telling me to kill myself? Here's our submission form:

https://houdinimagazine.com/submissions

>>2652486
>leftists take the liberal approach of just accepting the status quo as "normal"
Even worse is when they try to pretend problems are just psychological and insist going to therapy will fix everything.
In fact I didn't think it was that big a deal either until I looked at the circumcision threads thinking it would be le funny shitposting. Except the posts were full of clearly physically damaged penises with people being justifiably upset with the results.
Hell, it's now become very clear to me American doctors are money hungry butchers so it's toss of the dice if you end up sexually crippled for life or just ok. And those people who were hurt can't even sue because it's "normal" so their only cope is praying magic gene therapy will fix it one day.

>>2652502
Because anarchism sucks at building larger organizations that can compete with he state. Even criminal orgs resist the larger state more effectively than Anarchists ever could because they effectively built their own small states to control and discipline members.
However, nothing wrong with learning more about tech.

>>2652514
You have so severely misappropriated a hodge podge of barely understood Marxist ideas as well as bourgeois activist terminology that essentially everything in that post is sheer fucking drivel.

Oh my mistake, there's an ancom flag.

You're retarded.

>>2652499
>Remember when Anarchists shot at a car killing…
i don't. what are you talking about?

It makes me cum buckets how terminally online rightoids leave their internet bubbles to sperg out in real life, thinking that it is still 2015, not realizing that most people want to impale them nowadays, keeek

>>2652524
Chastizing the crying 12 year old, this is how the world needs to treat all right wingers.

>>2652523
CHAZ/CHOP in Seattle and it's more complicated than anon described it (and only one teen was killed, the passenger survived).

Lol

>>2652524
They should have roughed him up more. Too many libs in the crowd.

>>2652532
lel

I WAS MURDERED

I'm too dumb for 4chan's new captcha.

>>2652524
There's no angle with a better view of the punches?? I want to see the impact into his face goddamn it

I know it hardly matters but /pol/ really is genuinely reeling. Chuds are barely breathing for air and the only migger safe space is the MAGA general that that's occasionally deleted by mods and the thread is flooded by bitching about Isreal and calling trump a pedo.
And on top of that, all /pol/ posting gets deleted instantly on other boards. But if it's shit making fun of Kirk or bitching about Trump it stays up. If Rapeape is still a chud I actually doubt it. The atmosphere has changed very fast.
The rightoids hardly need 4chan anymore though. But it is actually very surprising to me. I honestly thought I would never see the day.

>>2652542
miga doesn't need /pol/ anymore, they have millions of boomer drones to carry it forward

You keep mocking rightoids for being terminally online and whatnot. That's fantasy football politics, culture war slop.The rightoids are in uniform, in office. It seems to me they are doing pretty well and positioned to do even better.

>>2652543
They'll all die soon.

>>2652544
Unless war kicks the shit out of the US.

>>2652547
"soon" being a decade or two, long enough to consolidate the dictatorship and construct A.I. God (probably)

>Some 1,500 active duty Army paratroopers have been put on alert for a potential deployment to Minnesota, according to two defense officials.

The soldiers are from the 11th Airborne Division, based at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska, one of the Army's premier infantry formations and a frontline force in the U.S. military presence in the Pacific, positioned to help deter China. The division is also the military's leading formation for Arctic warfare.

One official said the president had not made a final decision on whether to deploy two battalions. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

"We are taking prudent steps to prepare active-duty Army forces," the official said. "This doesn't mean they will deploy; we are preparing options."

The 11th Airborne troops were recalled to base on Friday, amid the long holiday weekend, to stand by as a so-called quick reaction force, a rapid-deployment force, according to an internal notice to the unit's leadership, reviewed by ABC News.

-ABC NEWS

Daily reminder to stop dooming. This is one of the most exciting times in history to be a revolutionary. The richest and most powerful country in the world is sitting on a social powder keg that, if the current trajectory holds, can and will lead to massive general strikes that will rock the entire country and, by extension, the entire globe. The USA is on the cusp of profound and world-altering tidal shifts.

>>2652551
trump is a kid playing with green army soldier toys

>>2652527
It wasn't complicated at all, they were doing donuts/burnout and the anarkiddie warlord furries opened fire on them.
The teen was outright executed point blank as well after already being injured. Then the other anarkiddies protected the shooter and hid him while medics instead of helping the kids, cleaned the crime scene of evidence lmao.
Anarkiddies are actual retards.

>>2652553
On the bright side my neighborhood is almost completely free of any and all MAGA flags. So maybe we'll be able to come together when shit hits the fan. We have a lot of community resources out here, farms and trade groups.

>>2652553
I think the unfortunate reality we have to come to terms with is the average westoid lived a life of luxury and excess and are terrified of the thought of their treats being turned off no matter how much they deny it.

I'm not even a TW but it's pretty obvious the reason America has never had a revolution is because Americans are too scared of losing what they already have to take any risks, and the few that do are demonized and ridiculed for being "idealists". Even this place has very few actual revolutionaries, most people just wanna play armchair geopolitical analyst over "what will happen next" without actually getting involved.

>>2652555
you got any sources to back that up?

>>2652551
Porky's hubris will be his downfall. They are delusionally out of touch and don't realize just how pissed off they're making people with this shit. Minnesota is also a bad target. One of the most left-wing states and still has some semblance of a functioning labor movement and a very militant strike history. They will actually fight back if they keep getting backed into a corner like this.

>>2652542
There's a split among the American far right. There are the normie fascists, who cheer on everything the Trump admin does and generally skew Gen X and up, and then there are those who hate Trump from the right, and these are usually Gen Z and Millennials who are more online and often fancy themselves to be better than their fellow rightoids. This factions sees Trump as too incompetent, misguided, and undignified to properly carry out and represent the fascism they wish to impose.

>>2652557
my neighborhood was fucking full of trump posters when the election was happening. i should have written down the addresses for um, posterity's sake

>>2652559
Even well-fed people won't tolerate military and secret police occupying their city and disappearing their neighbors. Especially since the appropriate groundwork has not been laid for a move like this by the bourgeoisie. It was a sudden escalation and people are reacting accordingly.

>>2652524
Isn’t this the guy that go cold cocked in Dearborn too? Is this a fetish for him?

>>2652563
My next door neighbor was a migger for quite some time and knew we were against trump. She came out of hiding acting all apologetic and looking at me with sad eyes. I didn't comment on it and I just asked her how she is holding up. I don't forgive her but we can't survive if we can't depend on our neighbors. Eventually these people can we reconditioned to realize Trump was never some economic savior.

>>2652565
This is complete and utter horseshit, you have to be willfully ignorant to believe this.

>>2652570
I feel like everyone got a boost of confidence seeing that fucker in >>2652566 get his shit kicked in. A win is a win. It will get worse though. We'll see if Minnesota can keep fighting.

>>2652570
Can you point to specific historical examples of military forces and secret police occupying cities which did NOT result in major acts of mass resistance? It's not normal human behavior to see jackboot thugs with masks marching your hometown streets and just shrug and say "Oh, well." Even apolitical and socially unconcerned people have a limit to what they're willing to put up with.

>>2652565
Americans have been beaten down to believe any kind of "rocking the boat" will result in a worsening of their quality of life. I'm not sure why this differs from places like France or the UK or Italy where petit-bourgeois middle class people regularly destroy the government if they aren't having their needs met. America might just be a cargo cult where people believe Capitalism will bless them if they just say nothing and do nothing that might offend Capitalist Jesus. idk. Or the fact America doesn't have a true proletarian base as all our industry has been replaced with immigrants that are dependent on Capital for their visa. Burger King workers going on strike doesn't exactly scare the bourgeois. Not sure what the solution even is but things will continue to get worse until Americans grow some balls.

>>2652576
The only thing I can say is that usually this is when people start to get tired of fighting. This is usually when the signs start to appear. However, things appear to be ramping up even further on both sides. And I see people online constantly calling to keep fighting even harder. I guess we'll see in another week.

>>2652555
I'm lazy so I'm just gonna put this all in bullet points for you.
>in the days and weeks prior to this, some drivers in the area would use their vehicles to threaten and intimidate protesters
>there was an earlier incident where a man drove into the crowd, got out of his car, shot a protester in the arm, and then fled to police over the barricade where he was warmly received
>after the aforementioned incident, protesters attempted to protect themselves with handmade barricades and nail boards which were then confiscated by police
>the overall feeling among the protesters in the occupied zone was undoubtedly paranoid especially about vehicle attacks
>the night of the fatal shooting, the two teens (the older one, who was 16, was from California and ran away from home to go to Seattle) committed a carjacking by knifepoint a few blocks away, which was then reported over the police scanner and heard by protesters
>the driver then began an erratic joyride in/around the protest zone
>protestor leadership decided far too quickly to open fire on the car if it entered the protest zone where they were congregated, which it did
It's a tragedy and it shouldn't have happened and the protesters bear culpability for mishandling their response, such as:
>jumping the gun (literally)
>poor leadership, including a known sex trafficker called Raz Simone and his posse
>shooting the incapacitated driver point blank who may have otherwise survived his injuries

wait, the US constitution is BASED???

>>2652430
Damn and I thought my relationship with my dad was fucked up…

>>2652573
The entire purpose of their deployments will be to break the protests, in which any intensification will be met with a doubling down both at the state and the administrative level. Likewise it will push the remaining political opposition at the level of the Federal state to Trump into the same corner similar fears of a response on the level of disorder in Minnesota.

There is no organisation to the resistance, and any deepening of the crisis will push the situation into one defined by ever further violent and repressive measures.

It is not the beginning of some mythical revolution but the blind reaction in a series developments in which the only force to be countenaced will be that of the state's. This is precisely the reason the ICE raids have not and will not stop, and why the governor is helpless in attempting to appease either side.

Pull your head out of your fucking ass.

>>2652585
under similar fears*

>>2652585
What is your proof for a lack of organization?

>>2652585
I’m not buying it.
It’s anti-thetical to American identity to be occupied by armies

>>2652573
This is just a bit ahead of schedule BLM 2026 though. Because they actually want to build the brownshirts up.

You are gonna get worked up and riot.
The cops are gonna get their fascist recruitment drive.
The activists are gonna mobilize and get clobbered for clout.
And a new crop of politicos is gonna descend with promises of "better trained" fascists and wonk-ish oversight schemes
At the end of the day, the security state will whack anyone remotely radical or organized enough to matter.
And replace them with grifters and controlled opposition.

The Dems show mealy mouthed support for the protests/riots, win moderately both chambers , blame Trump(but support Trump's policies in congress), and begin making victory laps in a holding pattern until 2028 because they have to offer nothing. Since Trump is out of terms and that's all that matters to the PR cattle.

They'll probably try to impeach Trump again too, just for the show.

Then you will vote for Newsom/AOC or whatever and keep 99% of the, no longer on TV/social media, policies as they are. Then probably go to war with some minor opponent and continue massaging the reactivation of the draft.AS well as wagies eating ever more shit to keep the profit rate high enough to deter Porky from looking too amorously at China.

But with rainbow flags and epic, not-quite-as-geriatric clapbacks from a clintonite in office.

>>2652585
All I can say is you are going to look very foolish for your overwrought pessimism when this actually plays out. Already Minnesota's unions are overwhelmingly planning and endorsing a general strike. In a country like America where general strikes are practically unheard of, that's no small thing. The tides are shifting and genuine revolutionaries should avoid being caught off guard and left in the dust by underestimating the masses.

>>2652589
There is absolutely no party apparatus with which the protests are being driven, hence the coming pathetic attempt to shutdown for a day. These are simply sporadic clashes that are breaking out and if anything indicative of the actual condition of the failure in the collective political will of American workers to resist the demands of their ruling class, in a sense their last gasps for air.

What occurs in Minnesota will be seen as an example irrespecive of whether the citizens of other states follow suit in attempting to defy ICE.

>>2652593
lol you think ICE is a psyop?

>>2652593
>The Dems show mealy mouthed support for the protests/riots, win moderately both chambers , blame Trump(but support Trump's policies in congress), and begin making victory laps in a holding pattern until 2028 because they have to offer nothing. Since Trump is out of terms and that's all that matters to the PR cattle.
Except this time people are actively saying in mass that they know the Dems are not going to help and the government isn't going to help. The same people on the streets and screaming about pushing harder. It's a very different tone.

None of this matters if America goes to war over greenland though. All the rules change.

>>2652598
Europe will drop a nuke on Mar-a-Lago, inshallah.

I have never ever seen people on the left or even liberals demand police protection like this lol.

>>2652592
The response of the protestors or sympathizers becomes irrelevant once the army are deployed, as at that point the remaining state governors and members of congrss who pose a threat will fear identical outcomes and rally behind a Republican base in which Trump has consolidated complete control.

There is no positive outcome unless those protestors in Minnesota are able to build a class basis for their resistance, which given the present condition will not happen. Fundamentally because any opposition to the political hegemony of the bourgeoisie within America was broken a century ago.

>>2652595
>pathetic attempt to shutdown for a day
You do not understand what you're talking about. The 1934 general strike in Minneapolis started off as a very humble truckers' strike and it escalated extremely rapidly due to state repression and ended up being one of the most significant strikes in American history and was partly responsible for the formation of the CIO and industrial unionism. When you call things like this "pathetic" you just reveal that you are completely ignorant of and detached from any real understanding of (or appreciation for) the history of organized labor.

>>2652430
It's important to remember that Christian conservatives are conservatives first and Christians a very, very distant second.

That wasn't a normal guy whose religion told him to hate his daughter, bootlick cops and support Trump. That was a crypto-fascist reactionary fanatic who hated his daughter, loves cops and supports Trump who decided to decorate those beliefs with his religion. I know that MAGA has really ramped up playacting as big Christians recently, but it's an obvious red herring and you shouldn't fall for it.

>>2652608
>it wasnt real christianity
cope

>>2652607
There is no social body of labor organization in 2026; projecting one set of historical conditions onto present affairs by playing make believe with your whimsical fantasy over the 'natural' moral integrity the workers is, as mentioned, pathetic.

The shutdown will come, pass, and you will be left asking yourself the same deluded questions as to why you must accept defeat after defeat in ever worsening conditions.

Again, pull your head out of your ass.

>>2652604
Depends how much it escalates. I can’t name a time in U.S. history where the army fired upon citizen and it didn’t result in pouring oil on the fire. I guess we’ll see.

I hate people that think being negative is the same as being realistic. If you're so pessimistic and doomer about the whole thing then why don't you just join the reactoid hordes?. You can't be a socialist without hope. To yield hopelessly to the status quo and power is inherently reactionary.

>>2652607
Brother, this is all a result of imageboards and social media rewarding the most extreme possible opinions. The modern left, or at least those who use places like this, are not apt to make mistakes, they aren't actualizing material praxis, their only political concepts are one of puritan nihilism. Any compromise, any strategic nuance, any engagement with contradiction is a sinful betrayal or moral failure. To attempt to build revolution is to betray the modern left. Nothing can be done, there is no path to victory, attempting things will only result in failure, making mistakes is seen as tantamount of counter-revolution.

There is no room for pragmatic strategic thinkers within the space of the online left, and that's by design. The modern left, at least based on the people I interact with online, choose the pure posture of total opposition over the effective praxis of building from within the contradictory reality.

Since you can't win, all you can do is loudly disparage those attempting to win. The feds used to write letters to MLK, telling him to kill himself, calling him an adulterer, lambasting his moral choices, all in an effort to demoralize him from action. Today, the FBI doesn't have to do shit because the left does it to their own.

>>2652576
>>2652559
>and are terrified of the thought of their treats being turned off
Most "treats" Americans have are very mediocre. In reality they are terrified of being homeless with no heathcare at the mercy of the elements or forced into prison rape dungeon slave camps.

>>2652613
>didn’t result in pouring oil on the fire

Which is precisely the point, as any escalation puts Trump and the Republicans in a position of strength.

>>2652616
one of the best posts you've ever made on this website houdini, kudos

>>2652475
Engels was talking about how it is irrelevant whether capitalist countries use tariffs or free trade, because it can only buy them time, not save them from destruction. Your comparison of the US under Donald Trump with Lenin in Russia is irrelevant because early Soviet Russia was a poorly developed and half destroyed country that needed to build up productive forces and protect itself from capitalist penetration, America is not.

>>2652618
Does it? Assuming this escalates to the point of civil unrest in other cities, enacting the same crack down that riled them up in the first place doesn’t pacify the situation.
That’s also not to mention domestic unrest while trying to start wars abroad, especially with Europe, normally doesn’t bode well.

>>2652542
/ptg/ is nothing but avatarfags jerking each other off while the occasional baiter gets bites by calling Trump a zionist pedo (he is one). Otherwise, the majority of threads are very anti-Trump now

4chan's autistic hatred for jews does see past cult of personalities, eventually

>>2652623
Their hate for jews might be the only thing that saves us. I still think it probably had something to do with Kirk since he became very anti-Israel and then ended up dead not soon after. Who knows but it is extremely suspicious.

>>2652622
It isn't about pacification but the centralization of powers under the President using a divide and conquer strategy. The threat of civil unrest within a state will be used to authorise measures which pressure his political opponents by strangling their economic base, intervening in their administrative affairs, and systematically deposing them from office - all of which is occuring in Minnesota.

War itself would just lead to a consolidation of class rule, as state spending would be further redirected to an increased defence budget which includes law enforcement.

>>2652626
>>2652622
To add to this: the shutdown in Minnesota will achieve nothing as it will just add to the increasing cost the state will have to spend in cleaning up this mess. There is no class body by which the strike can be sustained through mass organisation, so rather than fanning the flames of the conflict it will end up starving the protestors of their support.

>>2652610
It isn't a case of what is or isn't "real Christianity," but rather that channeling anger at the right through a critique of Christianity is a waste of time and energy.

It's similar to going into some lengthy debate over the video of Renee Nicole Good. It's obvious what happened in the video. The people claiming that Good was trying to run the officer over are simply lying and they know that they're lying. It is a deliberate red herring. By even engaging with this stupid little debate, you are wasting time, energy and, worse, aiding the narrative that what happened in the video was even debatable and that the claims of the Trump administration have any merit whatsoever.

Similarly, when you engage with the idea that this all has something to do with Christianity, you allow them to give the impression that their beliefs and their movement is motivated by some kind of deep spiritual convictions, rather than the odious bigotry and hatred that it actually is. This dude doesn't hate is daughter, love cops and support Trump because of any kind of deeply held religious or spiritual conviction. He hates his daughter, is glad that she is dead, loves the cops and supports Trump because he's a spiteful little piece of shit. He is not misguided by a religion and would be a good person if he suddenly became an atheist. He and all of his ilk are just evil, spiteful little pissants who deserve to die.

>>2652628
>To add to this: the shutdown in Minnesota will achieve nothing as it will just add to the increasing cost the state will have to spend in cleaning up this mess. There is no class body by which the strike can be sustained through mass organisation, so rather than fanning the flames of the conflict it will end up starving the protestors of their support.
mods can we ban this guy for pulling the white moderate argument out of his ass

>>2652636
It is an honest shame that the moderators let you and other low quality posters shit up this general, as it kills all Marxist discussion and just encourages the Fascists who come here to deliberately derail discussions

>>2652637
You aren't a Marxist if you're unwilling to engage in revolutionary tactics because it might offend someone. You're a white moderate. Stop trying to push your "honest concern" about any kind of labor activity disrupting the economy on a site full of people who have no stake in the current economy and just want to see it burn.

Personally I'd rather save the doomer talk for when it literally is over.

>>2652638
Revolutionary tactics are undertaken by mass political movements organised on a class and party basis.

These are disorganized protestors who are individuals confronting themselves with the reality of their own political subjugation under bourgeois rule.

Dress the situation up however you like, you still end up denying reality either way.

>>2652639
same dude, I hate how people act like geopolitical analysts but all they can ever talk about is how this or that will fail without providing solutions or ideas that might succeed. If you knew how to achieve Marxism you'd be applying it yourself. Unless you're just a glowie trying to demoralize.

>>2652641
>le application of le marxism
Voluntarism

>>2652639
Its is over for individuals on leftypol.

No fucking zitti now

>>2652640
>These are disorganized protestors who are individuals confronting themselves with the reality of their own political subjugation under bourgeois rule.
Every revolutionary movement starts as unorganized protests where people meet and network and form smaller orgs that eventually merge into larger ones. To look at the beginnings of a revolution and say "this is doomed to fail because you don't have mass organization yet" is just a backwards reading of history. The October Revolution started with a bunch of angry peasants revolting, getting crushed, then using that experience to build off of and continuing to protest and revolt until the conditions were ripe to overthrow the Tsar 12 years later. Revolution is not a spontaneous event but a constant struggle.

>>2652641
If you try to apply theory to material praxis, you are creating a situation wherein you are bound to make mistakes, have set backs, and sustain real material risk. None of these are acceptable to the purity spiraling online activist. It is so much easier to debate geopolitical concepts that have almost no bearing on one's actual localist power structures online, then it is to engage with those local power structures. It is easier to attack those who do attempt to apply theory to material praxis for their lack of purity than it is to actually work towards praxis.

It is better to never be wrong and never achieve anything, than it is to be wrong and still make material gains of power while learning from your own mistakes. The former requires only study-level knowledge and quote memorization; the latter requires obtaining social capital and the willingness to get your hands dirty and potentially fail in front of your community. It means risking being embarrassed or being wrong. Online leftists represent a leftism of moral identity and symbolic protest. What we need to be building is a leftism of material strategy and power accumulation.

Not to mention that there's this assumption that everyone who uses this site is inherently "of the left", wherein there are people here who still use /pol/ and other right wing spaces. It would be a foolish thing to forget that those people from those spaces can use and by extension derail our own.

>>2652647
I've seen some people on reddit and other forums talk about how this new black panther group that's emerged over the last year must be an op because they are so open about their tactics and positions. Our magazine gets the same criticism. If we were serious we wouldn't be public or accessible. But if you actually read theory, especially black panther theory, then you'll know this:

>If these imposters would investigate the history of revolution, they would see that the vanguard group always starts out above ground and is later driven underground by the aggressor. The Cuban Revolution exemplifies this fact; when Fidel Castro started to resist the butcher Batista and the American running dogs, he started by speaking on the campus of the University of Havana in public. He was later driven to the hills. His impact upon the dispossessed people of Cuba was very great and received with much respect. When he went into secrecy, Cuban people searched him out. People went to the hills to find him and his band of twelve. Castro handled the revolutionary struggle correctly. If the Chinese Revolution is investigated, it will be seen that the Communist Party was quiet on the surface so that they would be able to muster support from the masses. There are many areas one can read about to learn the correct approach, such as the revolution in Kenya, the Algerian Revolution, Fanon’s THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH, the Russian Revolution, the works of Chairman Mao Tse-tung, and a host of others.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/newton/1967/07/20.htm

>>2652629
>we should kill christians for believing retarded shit
>we should kill "christians" for lying about believing retarded shit
i don't see the problem, it's all the same in the end

>>2652479
The GDR sabotaged its own productive forces? When?

Productive forces means workers though. So you are saying we must sabotage the workers.

>>2652647
The bloody sunday protests were organised by workers beneath the backdrop of the 19th century industrial movements, moreover in a weakened tasrist state racked by historical contradictions that was overthrown by an intelligentsia that faced little to no opposition. A legacy of socialist trade unionism had existed within Europe for well over a century that had spread across the continent in conditions of severe deprivation.

These are protestors who have absolutely nothing in common other than moral outrage, who are facing off against an imperial war machine with absolutely no condition of class solidarity in a nation that has eventually crushed every worker's movement.

It's hilarious how in the desperate demand that your fantasies match reality you paint over the historical situation and present the most ephemeral breakdowns in the bourgeois social order as primed with revolutionary potential. You along with other retards such as >>2652652 are absolute retards with no coherent political education.

>>2652647
The Spartacists and CNT show such stumbling can just as well get your leftist movement completely crushed for decades at a time. The whole "trust the natural process" ideology is influenced by flawed anarchist though.
>>2652654
Didn't they have to pay reparations to the USSR for several decades?

>>2652663
>GDR pays reparations to USSR while NATO-backed Nazi West Germany doesn't

this is the essence of "muh reparations", the actual guilty party doesn't pay them, just guilty-feeling leftists

>>2652647
It is insane that you along with other morons in this thread will deny present circumstances in order to resolve your cognitive dissonance regarding the protests.

It is okay to accept these protests for what they are, mindless political reaction, whilst calling for actual organisation.

>>2652663
>The Spartacists and CNT show such stumbling can just as well get your leftist movement completely crushed for decades at a time. The whole "trust the natural process" ideology is influenced by flawed anarchist though.
Yeah but when you reach the point where a Left-wing revolution isn't just an "ideal" but an actual requirement for society to survive I kinda think we've gone past the point you should be afraid of failure. If we fail, we'll be massacred. If we don't try, we'll also be massacred. Either way, the killings will only last a few years before the government collapses on its own anyway because the God-King is an 80 year old diabetic.

>>2652666
>It is okay to accept these protests for what they are, mindless political reaction, whilst calling for actual organisation.
isn't that what anon said? Let's read:
>>2652647
>Every revolutionary movement starts as unorganized protests where people meet and network and form smaller orgs that eventually merge into larger ones.
Pretty much. You two agree. You just want to pretend you don't. You word things slightly differently but basically mean the same thing.

Lmao

>>2652680
everybodies the same height
besides

>>2652669
The bloody sunday protests weren't mindless political reaction; it was the eventual culmination in a long period of social decay in which a feudalist Russia was on the precipice of historical change in which its stagnation necessitated revolution. It was primarily due to the weakness of the Russian state that bloody sunday occurred.

These protests are the tantrums by the remnants of the social democratic movement in a political state that has consolidated power to the point that one faction has succeeded in shattering its opposition and is driving yet further in its centralisation of power.

If you believe these things to be the same, you are absolutely delusional.

>>2652653
Neither of those two things were the point I was making.

To make it more simple:
The situation is either one of two cases:
A) These are good people who only believe and support the things they do because they're being misguided by a religion. If it weren't for this religion, they wouldn't be bad. Therefore, if you could press a button to make them all atheists, the movement would disband tomorrow. So, the best course of action is to attack the religion.

B) These are evil pieces of shit whose beliefs are based mostly on their own hatred and spite. They attempt to cover up the odiousness of their beliefs by trying to make it seem like its all linked to deeper religious and spiritual convictions. If you could press a button to make them all atheists, exactly nothing would change because these aren't really religious beliefs at all. Therefore, attacking the religion is a waste of time and energy because you are going after a red herring, and could even be detrimental because it gives a appearance of merit to the red herring.

I am arguing that it is Case B.

>>2652686
you and anon are literally saying the same thing:

1. the current protests are disorganized
2. further organization is needed

>>2652692
Again, bloody sunday occured in a situation where the workers movement existed as an historical bloc.

This is not the case with these protests. They are driven by the sheer incredulity of moral offence at state sanctioned murder by that same entitled mentality which has driven them into an ideoloigcal gulf whereby they cannot reconcile their contradictory existence as workers and subjects of the bourgeois state.

There is no mass potential here other than that which gives rise to the basic conflict inherent in the confrontation between the classes and which principally gives rise to the capacity to agitate.

>>2652707
ok but you and the other anon agree that:

1. the current protests are disorganized
2. further organization is needed

>>2652626
>>2652628
I already accept that the centralization of powers is his end goal. My point is how is he going pacify the populace after doing so? If it’s by recreating the same conditions that started it and sharpening the class divide in the eyes of others I don’t see an end in sight. It’s not going to end with Minnesota because he hasn’t done anything to distract people from troops marching into their towns. He can strangle the liberal leadership until they cave but then you also have their heads now on the chopping block for the hoi polloi too. Ending the political theater of the liberals putting up a pseudoresistance only risks having the scales fall from their eyes. The sham keeps them inert.

>>2652686
>it was the eventual culmination in a long period of social decay in which a feudalist Russia was on the precipice of historical change in which its stagnation necessitated revolution. It was primarily due to the weakness of the Russian state that bloody sunday occurred.
bro literally describing the current US political situation for the last like 30 years and then follows it up with
>These protests are the tantrums by the remnants of the social democratic movement
but yeah I'm the one trolling for calling him out for being a concern troll.

>>2652690
I think if you just call rightoid pundits liars when they claim to be christian they will just peal clutch because they are the best in the world at lying about their own intentions. "well you can't REALLY prove my faith isn't authentic"

If you attack the religion directly as being retarded they get BTFO'd like the new atheists did to them
"haha you believe a boat held every animal on earth and a fish swallowed up a guy and a dude turned to salt"

>>2652667
>we've gone past the point you should be afraid of failure.
It's not about being afraid but having a better direction than a strike. Maybe after it fails we can really start convincing people to throw off the liberal and anarchist idiocy and become more militant.
>government collapses on its own anyway because the God-King is an 80 year old diabetic.
Don't count on it. When Trump dies if there is already a dictatorship in place they will use media to pump up the next leader as competent statesman who will clean up the country of terrorist antifa.
>>2652665
East Germans weren't really innocent and it's understandable why USSR demanded reparations at first. However, the capitalists started publicly pardoning Nazis by the 50s in order to fight communism while giving lots of financial support West Germany so the USSR should have dropped the reparations and focus on building the economy at that point.

>>2652733
The point isn't really to debate their religion, but to point out their real motivations and keep the conversation about that. As in, don't even take their claims of religious motivation seriously enough to even debate with them about it, except to maybe occasionally point out an inconsistency or hypocrisy to drive the point home that the religious talk is just smoke and mirrors.

>If you attack the religion directly as being retarded they get BTFO'd like the new atheists did to them
Except that the New Atheists failed. Badly. That's the whole point. They accomplished nothing. The United States is right now the most irreligious that it has ever been since people started tracking that sort of thing. It has stopped the right not a whit.

>>2652720
>My point is how is he going pacify the populace after doing so?
Sheer repression; there is no other answer except that to which the bureaucratic machinery has already been prepared for on the basis of its development as a police state, following the intergration of capital into its political organ of rule.

There is no end in sight because the measures that the state will take in enforcing the rule of law will be more brutal than those used by ICE, and will build upon every piece of legislature enacted following the war on terror for domestic pacification.

The instruments of class rule through its various media apparatus will simply be intensified to the point that any civil disorder will face surpression. Behind an increasingly militaristic agenda and a system of financial privileges afforded to the petite bourgeoisie for their continued support, the political landscape will be decimated by that same authoritarianism that Trump's supporters decry.

>>2652454
WTF, socially conservative comrade bros! Lenin is Malthusian eugenicist antinatalist pessimist anti-Christian values?!

>>2652756
i think the country becoming irreligious is the success of new atheism. the right is resorting to force because they no longer have cultural hegemony

>>2652757
I don't know if you're already aware of this but the more brutal the state's repression tactics get the more it affects the lives of everyday citizens. It's one thing when people just see ICE agents parked at schools and home depot to harass immigrants but it's another when the state has to crackdown not just on immigration but also any and all criticism of the regime, and then from there has to start eliminating aspects of "daily" life like elections or mass internet censorship or interstate travel/commerce just to maintain control. The more desperate they get to maintain power the more fragile their control becomes. There's no amount of citizens they can kill or imprison in a country with 300,000,000 people that will be enough to stop a revolution if the populace are radicalized. the hardest part is just getting the populace on your side, but Trump might just do that for us.

>>2652759
I would argue that the religious right had already mostly lost their cultural hegemony by the mid-2000s when New Atheism really started to take off.

>clavicular: "Yo Nick, I'm gonna bring some Girls over for you"

Nick fuentes - "Nah, I'm good"

>>2652763
It isn't about imprisoning the country but moderating the context of political thought such that the conditions may be created for the permanent use of its power based on a permanent state of exception.

>any and all criticism of the regime
It has quite literally already done this online; content feeds are moderated using military personnel and their intergration with the security state, and implicit content restrictions on social media companies that do not follow an acceptable political line are altered in such a way as to quite literally destroy opposing truths. This is to say nothing of the fact that said platforms are rife with Fascistic material which said companies actively sponsor.

>>2652773
>please don’t…
God, he’s so gay

>>2652775
The fact you can still access leftypol dot org without a vpn means the state hasn't gone far enough in censoring criticism of the regime tho. The more they push, the more frustrated the average citizen will become. They're aware of this which is why they only censor "mainstream" social media where large organizing can happen. But if people started mass organizing on decentralized platforms the government would have no choice but to crackdown on those communities as well.

The same principle applies irl. They are currently at the stage of low stakes, mostly performative displays of power to scare the vulnerable members of society into retreating. But as it escalates and starts to creep into the suburbs and disrupt the lives of the petit-bourgeois you'll start seeing more open resistance against the state. The crucial part is not letting the petit-boug hijack the movement into social democracy while still taking advantage of them to spread its message.

>>2652773
Nick want penis

>>2652759
The right does not depend on religion to produce sovereignity, at least not in the US. The right appeals to the base instincts of the atomized individual living in the imperial core who wants to keep their empire , and with it their welfare benefits. Once you remove morality and God(s) from the equation, as Nietzsche predicted the last man, the small man, маленький человек, to be a creature with flattened horizon and obsessed with validation from the system that coddled him

>>2652780
Gay Mexican Christian Nazi

>>2652713
real ACP footage (working 2025)

Are you doing fine in there, buddy? Do you need some help with that?

>>2652792
@grog put her in a bikini

>>2652528
if libs had any balls he would have actually been lynched

>>2652502
honeypot video, don't watch while logged in and using your normal IP.

>>2652773
saddest party i've ever fucking seen

>>2652713
Why do they all wear tight pants like that? In fact none of their suits fit

>>2652812
Probably some dumb trendy shit that's hip with the kids right now.

>>2652773
This year in the magazine we have plans to feature a variety of women as models. Of course the large majority of the internet left doesn't have any love for sex workers of any sort, and has a very puritan view of sexuality that I've always thought is alien to the reality of the masses, or atleast those engaged in alternative lifestyles. A lot of it is madonna/whore complex driven, and despite claims otherwise, many are restricted by their protestant christian views on these topics, even if they don't or never did identify as such, the superstructure still influences.

I want to create a strong juxaposition between the inceldom of the right wing, the redpill "men going their own way" misogyny that ultimately alienates young men from the very thing they seek with a sex positive narrative that says "look at the life style you could have if you had some fucking principles". I have never really liked the puritan outlook the online left has on social workers (read: you can get banned from the deprogram subreddit if you are one). Literally have been approached by numerous women about being in the magazine, all ideologically aligned women mind you, and I've consistently made the editorial choice to turn this down. I've always been afraid of allegations of "working for the male gaze" or "male chauvism" in regards to doing that, while also fearing the backlash from the online left for having that sort of content in the magazine.

But I know a few women who would love to do that sort of thing for the magazine, and my literal editorial partner is a lesbian woman telling me that its a good idea, so you know, fuck it, let's do it. Being a rightoid is so uncool.

average democrat

>>2652773
This uygha lookin' ZESTY, this uygha lookin' MOIST, he's got sugar in his tank, he's light on his feet, he's a Ill bit fruity, he plays for the other team, he dances at the other end of the ballroom, this uygha theatrical, this uygha good with colors, this uygha gonna coordinate yo curtains wit you cushions and that shit gonna look good! This uygha lifts shirts, this uygha on the down low, this uygha be a tollet trader, this uygha gardens uphill, this uygha packs fudge, he's a friend of Dorothy, he feels the love that dare not speak Its name, he loves to dance, he's of the Uranian brotherhood, he indulges in the French vice, he has an antipathic sexual Instinct, he's fluent in Polari, he's a refugee from Sodom, he's on the wrong bus, he bats for the other team, he's temperamental, he's 'one of them if you catch my drift.

>>2652628
>literally arguing AGAINST striking because it might provoke a police response
The fucking audacity you have to call yourself a Marxist and talk down to other socialists is astonishing. You are sincerely suggesting that workers should passively submit to the forces of reaction because otherwise the forces of reaction might get even meaner. You are a reactionary to your bone.

>>2652830
And it's not even in a tactical sense, not even in an "we should avoid X tactic because it is ultimately adventurist or in the long term negates our power building". It's purely doomerism and nihilism wrapped up in a blanket of "realism", as if having no hope is the most realistic option of them all.

Gramsci died in prison but was still an optimist of the fucking will.

>>2652640
The planned strike action has been endorsed by practically every Twin Cities union local. Any political party that even attempts to call itself Marxist is supportive of the move. Your completely unwarranted arrogance is nauseating. You clearly have little to no familiarity with what's actually happening in Minnesota and yet you suggest that anyone who doesn't endorse your proposed "tactic" of passively allowing themselves to be trampled under the boot of Trump's Gestapo is "denying reality".

>>2652835
My patience for doomers is running so fucking thin man. It was one thing to be a doomer in the 90s or the 2000s when militancy and class consciousness were all all-time lows, but we don't have time for that shit anymore. Conditions are quickly approaching revolutionary levels and so many of the "left" just want to plug their ears and pretend there's nothing any of us can do.

>>2652524
I'm pretty sure the white supremacist closing his eyes and searching for a safe space is a Jew. Not the Alex stein lolcow type of troll but an agitator all the same. Speaking of Jews, it looks like the people are getting wise to Michael Cohen's role in the epstein coverup. And for the last time, the male accuser of the cabal is a plant, the stories are phony, it's a rabbit hole to nowhere. There are plenty of victims on record with legal counsel 'in the files', the riley thing is a ridiculous distraction to discredit the survivors.
>>2652825
PAMELA, I am no longer attracted to you anymore… NOT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wPHxQMgdKs

>>2652839
I have always maintained a strong sense of revolutionary optimism and the only times it's challenged is when I effortpost about legitimate theory and legitimate lessons I've learned through my own experiences organizing, only to be met with AI-slop level responses telling me to kill myself.

It's as if those people have the ultimate goal of stopping any level of deeper discussion within these spaces, as if the zone is so flooded that the only thing you can count on when you try something is a "fuck you, I hope you fail".

All we can do is try, learn and try again. Praxis will not happen online, the best case use of the internet is in an Iskra sense, which is why I do what I do. Beyond that, this is more or less primarily a way to pass the time. There are people here who have donated to me/the magazine, and I was voted favorite namefag, so I can only assume this space has some level of real motherfuckers who are lurking and attempting praxis in the real world. Still, the constant doomerism/grillpilled nonsense is discouraging.

>>2652528
I was just literally LYNCHED
god i wish

hopefully they raise that $20,000 from rightoids and then get lynched.

How many people would you need to crisis-act a fake beating and grift booj rightoids?

>>2652847
At this point I am more interested in what needs to happen for liberals to be shaken out of their condition. Especially considering how naked the imperium has been acting in the Trumpian era.
By the leaked ICE documents the civil war is already on going and libs are still bitchposting about civility and restraint.

GREENLAND STATUS. IS THE HAPPENING GONNA HAPPEN

>>2652854
I doubt it. A new world order is emerging and the us won't be leading it. Also Donny's Achilles heel, the epstein case, isn't going away. A lot of the threats serve as distraction but I have a feeling the Senate will eventually have no other choice but to shut him down.

>>2652852


The most blood boiling thing has been all these liberals posting about how the police need to step up and side with the protestors against ICE. The police need to be out here protecting the people! Call the National Guard!

Are we a nation of goldfish? Does this shit not sound absolutely fucking ridiculous to anyone who was on the streets in the summer of 2020? To anyone who chanted "Abolish the police!"? And now, you have these same ratfink fucks talking about how we need to INCREASE, yes increase ICE funding so they can get proper police training! Sorry Chuck, but flashbanging newborns is PROPER POLICING IN THIS PRISON HOUSE OF NATIONS! Oh yes, I cannot wait to hear about how "abolish ICE" is an "unelectable cause" and so we should focus on "reform". Let's get them some body cameras so they can livestream the brutality Gaza style!

The goal is to normalize apartheid-style violence against one group, while hoping another group can be swayed by "normality" and consumerism. They want you to turn a blind eye to the struggles of Black and Brown people in this country so you can go get another matcha.

We cannot go back to brunch. We cannot stand by and let people be disappeared. People in America should look into what Pinochet did to dissenters under his rule. He would take them on helicopter rides and dump them, alive, into the ocean. He would publicly execute people to send a message. He would send death squads to places where dissenters, union organizers, and other leftists gathered, and kill them. There are active concentration camps in America right now. There are rumors that the regime is using ICE abductees to test things like Elon Musk's Neuralink. The average German did not know the horrors of the concentration camps until after they were liberated. Even in the age of information, it is safe to assume we do not have a full picture of the cruelty being inflicted in these death camps.

There are still people who think this is a "Trump" problem and blame those who didn't vote for Kamala for this, as if Kamala's number one campaign promise wasn't more ICE, more border patrol, and creating the "most lethal" military possible. Every single administration has supported increasing funding for ICE. The oppression of the worker and the fomentation of race-war politics is bipartisan, only masked by "decorum." America has been a fascist country long before Trump was elected—just ask anyone who lives on the rez, in the hood, or in the barrio.

I know damn well that a lot of these liberals do not care about the families being separated, or the inhumanity, or the cruelty, or the murdering of civilians, or the IDF training both ICE and our domestic police. They only care about the optics. Can’t you send people to camps a little quieter, a little nicer, with a little more decorum? So we can get back to brunch, please?

>>2652854
Funny market fluxes first.

>>2652860
>a new world order is emerging
the center cannot hold

>>2652867
Less words do better.