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Sideshow war edition

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740
https://azovlobby.substack.com/
https://banderalobby.substack.com/

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ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLY

Live maps and updates
DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
Events in Ukraine: https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/
SouthFront: https://southfront.press/category/all-articles/world/europe/ukraine/

Watch Together
📺 News/events: https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash
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Watch By Yourself
>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4

📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q

📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo

<Current Happenings

📺 • The Grayzone: https://www.youtube.com/@thegrayzone7996
📺 • DDGeopolitics: https://www.youtube.com/@DDGeopolitics
📺 • Defense Politics Asia: https://www.youtube.com/@DefensePoliticsAsia
📺 • The Duran: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdeMVChrumySxV9N1w0Au-w
📺 • The News Atlas: https://www.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas
📺 • Military Summary: https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary

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>>2785538
Isn't the studio located in Malta these days?

>>2785504
Actually being bombed is good for the economy

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But if you think about it
>Moscow is burned and destroyed by nuclear fire
>Neo-Nazis rule the ruins
>Lots of dead children, the living children being indoctrinated into fascist ideology about a pure and strong state
they actually did it, they took Banderite AI videos of a Ukrainian victory and made it into a Metro game.


Gunman opens fire and seizes supermarket in Kiev
>An armed man has opened fire and seized a supermarket in Kiev, leaving at least five people dead and several wounded, the Ukrainian authorities have confirmed.
<Ukrainskaya Pravda claims that the shooter was identified as Dmitry Vasilchenkov, 57, who was born in Moscow and holds Ukrainian citizenship.
https://swentr.site/russia/638657-kiev-gunman-supermarket-hostages/

>Maduro Is Gone, and the Purge Has Begun
>The successor to Venezuela’s captured President Nicolás Maduro is purging the people who kept him in power. -NEW YORK TIMES

U.S. Special Forces brought down President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela swiftly and publicly.

Now, the people who kept him in power are being purged gradually and inconspicuously. Some have been fired or detained, and others are anxiously looking over their shoulders, worried they might be next.

Oligarchs close to Mr. Maduro’s family have been snatched from their homes. His political allies have been summarily removed from their posts. His relatives have been sidelined from business deals and barred from media appearances.

The housecleaning is being carried out by Mr. Maduro’s former vice president, Delcy Rodríguez, who is running the country under instructions from the Trump administration. The detentions and leadership purges have unfolded without public explanation, but often with the approval — and sometimes at the urging — of the White House, according to people close to Ms. Rodríguez’s government.

After Mr. Maduro was dragged off in January to a New York jail, Ms. Rodríguez presented herself as a reluctant and temporary stand-in for a fallen leader, denouncing his capture as an illegal attack on her country.

The overhaul of national leadership, combined with sweeping new laws and her alliance with President Trump, is reshaping Venezuela and its management of one of the planet’s largest oil reserves, just as the world grapples with the energy turmoil caused by war in the Middle East.

In the three months since Mr. Maduro’s capture, Ms. Rodríguez has changed 17 ministers, replaced military commanders and installed new diplomats. She has also overseen the detention of at least three businessmen tied to Mr. Maduro, fired several of his relatives and cut off most of his family from oil contracts.

In their places, she has appointed her own loyalists or championed businessmen beholden to her, while opening the doors to American oil and mining investors.

The changes have brought little transparency or pluralism to a government that remains authoritarian. Venezuela’s opposition says that rather than returning the country to democracy, Ms. Rodríguez is solidifying her rule.

But she is hardly making all decisions on her own. After capturing Mr. Maduro and his wife, Cilia Flores, in an overwhelming show of force, the Trump administration threatened to attack Venezuela again if the new leaders refused to cooperate. Several senior Venezuelan officials and government insiders have likened Ms. Rodríguez’s rule to governing with a gun to her head.

Ms. Rodríguez is now using that threat of U.S. coercion to go after ruling party power brokers once considered untouchable. The result has been a political win for Mr. Trump and Ms. Rodríguez, allowing U.S. officials to settle scores with Maduro allies who had defied them, while simultaneously cementing Ms. Rodríguez’s leadership.

Venezuela’s transformation from U.S. adversary to a protectorate has been head spinning for most Venezuelans.

Polls show a large majority of Venezuelans welcome the end of Mr. Maduro’s 13-year autocratic reign, which he enforced through violence, corruption and electoral fraud.

Many also remain skeptical of Ms. Rodríguez, a longtime official of the governing Socialist Party who has never held elected office.

But for Mr. Maduro’s friends, business associates and governing party companions, the new political landscape has ushered in an unfamiliar swirl of anxiety and danger.

More than a dozen spoke with The New York Times on the condition of anonymity, fearing reprisal. Some said they had been placed under surveillance by Venezuela’s secret police since Mr. Maduro’s ouster. Others said they had tried to stay out of Caracas, the capital, and have considered exile.

The Venezuelan government did not respond to questions for this article. A White House spokeswoman, Anna Kelly, said the Trump administration had a mutually beneficial relationship with the Rodríguez government.

“We are dealing very well with President Delcy Rodríguez,” Ms. Kelly said. “Oil is starting to flow, and large amounts of money, unseen for many years, will soon be greatly helping the people of Venezuela.”

The people who lost out from Mr. Maduro’s downfall are part of a disparate group. They include relatives of Mr. Maduro and his predecessor Hugo Chávez, many of whom amassed great wealth in the nearly three decades of their combined rule.

They also include businessmen who owe their fortunes to personal ties to the two presidents, as well as veterans of the socialist movement formed by Mr. Chávez in the 1990s, which became known as chavismo.

One longtime friend of Mr. Maduro’s broke down in tears in an interview after his capture, calling Mr. Maduro the last bastion of Venezuela’s revolution.

Few apparatchiks have dared criticize Ms. Rodríguez publicly, but Mario Silva is one who has. A veteran propagandist, his state television program was canceled after Mr. Maduro’s capture, forcing him to turn to social media or radio graveyard slots.

Like many pro-government Venezuelan media figures, he built a career promoting official anti-imperialist dogma, only to fall out of favor when the new administration shifted to building a business-friendly, pro-American image.

“Damn it, keep following the gringos’ orders, then, go ahead,” Mr. Silva said on his radio show on March 18. “Just prostrate yourself and be done with it.”

Mr. Maduro’s disparate allies are united by a distrust of Ms. Rodríguez, who has transformed from a socialist firebrand into Washington’s lauded partner.

People close to the deposed president argued that Mr. Maduro had never considered her as his successor, seeing her as a capable manager rather than a leader.

Nor did Mr. Maduro’s inner circle prepare for the possibility that the clash with Mr. Trump could result in a government led by one of their own, the people said. “The plan was always either everyone falls, or nobody does,” said one senior Maduro official.

The apparent ease with which U.S. forces snatched Mr. Maduro from a heavily guarded military base has fueled suspicion that he was betrayed by people who benefited from his downfall.

One senior Venezuelan official, a day after the U.S. attack, said treason had been committed. Officials from Russia, which lost an ally in Mr. Maduro, have made similar claims.

The Trump administration had been considering Ms. Rodríguez as Mr. Maduro’s successor since 2025, and had indirect contact with her. There has been no evidence that she was privy to the U.S. military’s plans, yet that fact has not eased the distrust within the governing party.

>>2785643
Ms. Rodríguez’s caretaker post began hours after Mr. Maduro’s capture, on Jan. 3, with a fiery speech denouncing U.S. aggression. A week later, Ms. Rodríguez led a retinue of power brokers and Cuban officials to commemorate dozens of Cuban and Venezuelan servicemen who died in the American attack.

“We are not handing down a legacy of traitors and cowards,” Ms. Rodríguez said in a televised speech intended to project unity.

Most of those by her side that day have since been cast aside.

Mr. Maduro’s longest-serving minister, Gen. Vladimir Padrino López, was fired as defense minister in March and later given a much less important post running agriculture. Mr. Maduro’s son, Nicolás Maduro Guerra, and a son of Ms. Flores, Yosser Gavidia Flores, have been sidelined from lucrative business deals with the state, according to government insiders.

Mr. Maduro’s attorney general, Tarek William Saab, was fired, given a consolation post, and then fired again. Camilla Fabri, Mr. Maduro’s immigration envoy, lost her post. Days later, her husband was detained.

And then there’s Cuba’s foreign minister, Bruno Rodríguez. Since attending Ms. Rodríguez’s speech, he has watched his country’s decades-long alliance with Venezuela unravel in weeks.

As Ms. Rodríguez has tightened control, the dismissals grew bolder.

The first Maduro confidant to fall was Alex Saab, a Colombian-born businessman and Ms. Fabri’s husband, who has made billions from preferential food and oil trade contracts and is under indictment in the United States on corruption-related charges.

On Jan. 16, Ms. Rodríguez wrote on social media that Mr. Saab was no longer Venezuela’s industry minister, thanking him “for his service to the Fatherland” and saying he would “assume new responsibilities.”

Two weeks later, Mr. Saab was detained. American officials and Ms. Rodríguez are now negotiating his fate, which includes potential extradition to the United States.

People close to Ms. Rodríguez said she had overseen the detention of two other prominent businessmen close to Mr. Maduro’s family: Raúl Gorrín and Wilmer Ruperti. Mr. Gorrín also faces a corruption-related indictment in the United States.

Mr. Saab’s lawyer declined to comment. Legal representatives for Mr. Ruperti and Mr. Gorrín did not respond to requests for comment.

Ms. Rodríguez’s administration has neither commented on the detentions nor announced any charges, leaving Mr. Maduro’s allies to speculate who might be next.

Ms. Rodríguez in March widened the purge to the armed forces, firing Venezuela’s entire military leadership, including General Padrino López, once considered one of Venezuela’s most powerful men.

One Venezuelan general said that many see the dismissals of senior commanders as the start of a much deeper, U.S.-guided overhaul of Venezuela’s armed forces.

People close Ms. Rodríguez’s government said she had coordinated some replacements with the Trump administration. U.S. officials, they said, have also pressured her to go after American adversaries like Mr. Gorrín and Mr. Saab.

Ms. Rodríguez’s allies include younger chavistas with weaker connections to the movement’s roots. Some are scions of the governing party’s aristocracy more interested in the fruits of a market economy than in maintaining Mr. Chavez’s legacy.

Ms. Rodríguez has also found willing enforcers in Venezuela’s security forces who have pledged their allegiance, hoping to avoid retribution for decades of human rights abuses. Her new defense minister is Gen. Gustavo González López, Venezuela’s former head of secret police, who was placed under sanction by the Obama administration for crushing protests

Some former government opponents have been lured by career opportunities. Venezuela’s new envoy to North America and Europe, Oliver Blanco, had worked as personal assistant to an opposition leader.

The winners of Ms. Rodríguez’s economic restructuring include Venezuela’s traditional economic elites, who once sided with the opposition but made peace with chavismo. Their bet on stability over democracy has given them access to foreign markets and the U.S. banking system.

Western investors are other beneficiaries. They have recently been descending on Caracas’s luxury hotels searching for bargain assets in the oil, mining and tourism industries.

Only one senior minister in Mr. Maduro’s government remains in his post: Diosdado Cabello, the interior minister who oversaw the governing party’s repression apparatus.

Mr. Cabello is wanted by the United States on drug-trafficking charges and had clashed with Ms. Rodríguez in the past. But his connections to armed pro-government groups have also made him a valuable ally — and a risky target.

To hang on to power, Mr. Cabello has recast himself, from ruling party pit bull to a patriotic guarantor of stability.

“Let’s accompany our sister Delcy,” Mr. Cabello said at a government rally. “Let’s confide completely in the ability, work ethic and conscience of comrade Delcy.”

His adaptation has so far borne fruit. Mr. Cabello’s cousin and brother have kept their government jobs running Venezuela’s secret police and tax service. His daughter is Venezuela’s new tourism minister.

Inside the governing party, most officials have adapted, jettisoning their avowed anti-imperialism for a chance to stay in power.

One senior official said his colleagues did not trust Ms. Rodríguez, but felt they had no choice.

“We need her, and she needs us,” another said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/18/world/americas/delcy-rodriguez-maduro-allies-venezuela.html

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who would win?

>>2785661
I mean Grisha is one of the world's top players and Gunther is apparently having an ukrainian represent him because he's a boomer who only briefly played the game for memes

>>2785644
Hugo Chávez had always despised delcy Rodriguez

>>2785663
Has anyone claimed having a Ukrainian play Grisha is good value for NATO yet? What kind of energy drink givas has the player been promised?

>>2785663
True but it's going to be 7v1, that puts Grisha at a big disadvantage

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Stop defending Ziggerism. It's time to move on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuNkr_Xz1-I

>>2785859
fake news

>>2785859
>nfkrz

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>>2785623
Ukrainians are pushing hard that he was born in Moscow and is therefore some kind of Russian saboteur with innate evil in his heart, even though he lived most of his life in Ukraine and was an AFU veteran. He was found posting antisemitic screeds on facebook during the civil war in Ukraine, blaming both Russia and Ukraine for fighting each other instead of striking the center of the jewry, which he identified in Bakhmut. Saw people alleging that he was forcibly recroooted and retaliated against it, which is believable.

Is NAFO still a thing or are they at least active anywhere except the replies to tweets of Russian government figures? Legitimately haven't seen even one outside their "natural habitat" in 3 years.

>>2785900
Maybe those left are the actual bots that have been forgotten. The rest have given up, isekaid themselves or have been institutionalized.

>>2786125
I’m certain that most of them were just thrilled it was Russia doing the invading for a change, so that NATO states can be “the good guys” in righteously opposing the concept of invasions as simply imperialism. Now that Trump has bombed or invaded multiple countries and backed a genocide at the same time, NATO cheerleaders are back to the usual business of performing damage control and explaining why Trump saying “gib me dat” isn’t really imperialism but a fair trade for the nebulously defined “human rights” the West will provide them.

>>2785859
Literally who?

>>2786262
Russian gusano libtard who makes "russia bad" videos aimed at westerners

>>2786281
Didn’t he still get shit for being Russian despite his pandering to western libs?

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>>2785900
You're not ready for what's coming.

>>2785900
The glowie money dried up, but it's being kept alive by people who drank the koolaid and are the true believers. That's why it's not so widespread any more. The subreddits, discords and the NAFO twitterati still exist (the ones who weren't run by glowies).

>>2785900
oh, they are active on X. now and then malding, daydraeaming about nonsense.

vidrel unrelated to nafo.

>>2786293
banderites are not happy about getting Africans. I hope every nafo retard could go to ukraine and tell banderites to their faces that they are getting 'blacked'. lmao.

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According to Trump-supporting media, Putin want to find a way to end the war already, however it is the City of London and the EU that do not want peace between Russia and Ukraine. Every time there are peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine set up by Trump, British weapons strike targets in Russia. They want regime change in Russia, installing a new leader who is friendly to the EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bewT9IRyIgw

>>2771428
>yes my grandpa is jewish and my parents migrated to Germany as jews but I identify as russian (he even brought his birth certificate lmao)
>I like Hitler for what he did for the german people but not what he did to other people
>my main role model is Darth Vader

On Russian cosplay:
<There’s a reason why Russia is the birthplace of both terrorism (Nihilist movement) and transhumanism (Cosmist movement), and why we are perpetually in state of constant revolutions. We have no “tradition” to revert to (we have half-a-dozen of them, which means no true one), no “society” to protect (our “country” is technically younger than most of us, and hasn’t built anything of value yet), and no reason to like the world as it is.

<The closest thing to us are apes from 2011 “Rise of the Planet of the Apes” movie (there’s a reason why they named most hardcore ape Koba, after most brutal and successful Russian leader). We’re smart and strong, but we’re new here, and there’s nothing in this world that we can cling to, so we keep building everything from scratch, and are in perpetual conflict with those who occupied this land and this planet before.


<When we try to play “Christian traditionalism” or “Neo-Nazism”, it is YOU who we try to mimic. Just look at “Neo-Confederate” flag of Novorossia. “To survive, we need to overcome America, and to overcome America we need to out-America America”. It’s just experiments in survival. Today we’re outlawing LGBT and are outraged that LGBT person won Eurovision – but first LGBT team on Eurovision was sent by us too, and back then we were outraged that Europeans are archaic prudes that consider underage lesbians to be “inappropriate”. In the Ukraine, we’re both “condemning Neo-Nazi revival in Europe” and invite European Neo-Nazis to fight for us, together with European Far Left – we don’t discriminate. I myself switched political ideologies so many times that I hardly remember, inventing weird political hybrids to seize the day, some of them (like Krokodilism/NazDem) being approved by America to be used against Kremlin, while others (“purple” Neo-Eurasianism) approved by Kremlin to be used against America.


<We’re cynical and selfish munchkinists, we use whatever gives the most plusses here and now. We want to survive and we want to live good, and if the way to get it is to mutate into something, we’ll mutate into it immediately and without hesitations. So, you aren’t dealing with political reactionaries, but with intelligent hungry monkeys that decided to capitalize on modern reactionary wave in YOUR home countries. Just like when we were “Marxists” what we really did was hijacking popular European political movement for our ends, and when we were “Democrats” we actually tried to gain survival points by making an alliance with America.


<If anything, that should upset you more. Reactionaries are limited and predictable. Monkeys are not. Eventually we’ll find a way to mutate into something cool. Until then, we’ll just keep trying. Current “Soviet/Orthodox” revival is reactionary dead-end, IMHO, but we wanted to try it since 90ies, and we have to try everything at least once before moving forward.


<Like every Russian, I wanted to become a dictator of Russia once, and was one of the rare people who actually acted on that desire, for which I was arrested, which started a new Batman-style Russian tradition of putting coup leaders into mental asylums instead of prisons. But such power is such a pain in the ass, so much responsibility in micromanaging a country that is in perpetual crisis and underdevelopment, where half a country doesn’t even have water or electricity. Yes, I wanted the nukes, but running sewage is not something I want to be in charge of, and I don’t envy Putin now.


<I want to focus purely on mutations and development, be a guy like, say, Deathshead from “Wolfenstein”, with my own high-grade labs and facilities. What I have now is underground semi-legal organization with near-zero budget. I can make stuff like cryptocurrency and primitive biomods that are more aesthetical than practical, but not robotics or rocketry or decent human modification. The fact that I waste my precious time for activities that are below my intelligence level fills me with rage. I have no interests other than curiosity and greed. I am just a space monkey without a blaster that wants to have one. And that is much worse than if I was a Nazi. That’s why “Wolfenstein” franchise switched Hitler to Deathshead as primary antagonist.


<If I was born in some developed country I would be a tech entrepreneur and a good guy. But I don’t view myself as bad guy either. I killed people, but not because I wanted to. I am nerdy and sentimental and try to avoid harming even animals and insects. But I was born in a savage land, and I adapted. That’s it.

https://wavechronicle.com/wave/?p=2150

>>2786604
I buy it, but I can't explain materially why London is willing to go to lengths that Berlin won't. Plenty of idealist explanations such as
>Finally winning The Great Game despite the empire already being lost
>Tradition forged in the Cold War for fucking with Russia being priority one for British geopolitics… well, priority two, after wanking off Washington
>Desire to prove how much of a global power the UK still is by trying to take credit for slaying an undisputed global power
>Zelensky has a stiff upper lip, we like that!
Thinking conspiratorially, perhaps London has enough wealthy and connected Russians that fell out of favour with the current Russian state to successfully lobby the British Government to risk all for regime change.

>>2786843
I have a simpler explanation - selling arms is one of Britain's only remaining profitable export industries.

>>2786845
I considered that, but there's no way Ukraine at this point can actually afford to pay for any of the weapons they're given without not only regime change in Russia, but also a new regime that wants to pay restitutions to Ukraine.

Like, regime change being guaranteed to result in compradors makes sense for countries whom have no recourse to bombings and sanctions, other than surrendering. However Russia has nuclear weapons, obviously, but also more dangerously for London and the EU, the ability to reach anywhere in Europe with conventional missiles.

There's also no real guarantee that the Russo-Londoner clique are seeking a pro-UK government in Moscow either, they just want rid of the regime that keeps pushing them out of windows and instead one that allows them to return to the Russian bourgeois class.

Thus, I believe the British Government are essentially just the A-Team.

>>2786858
I don't believe that the UK government sincerely thinks that they can get regime change in Russia. No Ukraine can't pay for the weapons but they'll just be paid for by the taxpayers and keep the economy going, and the bourg will make shitloads of money.

But ok, maybe my explanation is a bit too oversimplified. While the US president might want to end the war, the US security state doesn't, and they are the ones that run the UK government, not Trump. So if they want the UK to keep the war going that's what they will do.

>>2786861
>I don't believe that the UK government sincerely thinks that they can get regime change in Russia.
I agree, but that's the core of my "they're just mercenaries" theory. A mercenary doesn't really care if the battle is winnable, only that they're being paid to fight it.

As for wealth transfer internally, the UK achieves that already in a myriad of different ways that doesn't involve taunting the Russians.

The fate of the unipolar world is being decided as we speak

Why is Zelensky so desperate to convince Trump to sign a defence pact with him? He has to know no agreement he signs with Trump means anything and he won't be getting any help, and it's also blatantly obvious no one in Europe wants to step up either. Continuing to insist on a post-ceasefire defence pact to get a ceasefire is a pipe dream yet he won't give it up, like he doesn't want it to be true.

The Russians' last offer was almost entirely realistic: be neutral (good idea anyway given the Americans have lost their fucking minds, why would you want to hitch your wagon to them?), don't joint NATO (they were never going to be allowed to anyway so why let this be a sticking point?), limit your forces to 800k men. which is 4x more than they started the war with and only like a 200k man decrease from their current strength which they can't even keep properly equipped anyway (which is why their frontline strength is permanently stuck at 500k). The only point the Russians need to give up on is ceding territory Ukraine presently holds - giving up territory without a fight is a precedent you don't want to set, that's a deal breaker. If Zelensky made that counter offer - we agree to everything except giving up the last bit of Donetsk - he can wipe his hands of responsibility, it's entirely on Putin if the war continues, because being autistically obsessed with getting every inch of Donetsk as consolation for failing your primary objective is pointless egotism.

>>2786874
Sure the bourgeois are already robbing the taxpayer but why not add one more method?

I feel like this basically is the explanation for 90% of the things that western governments do. It's the only thing that makes sense.

>>2786908
Because Ukraine's only purpose is to bleed out Russia for the benefit of the West and die while doing so. If Ukraine was in any freedom to decide its own terms, it would've agreed to Russia's 2022 Istanbul demands.

>>2786900
No streams of it?

>>2786914
Will definitely be streamed when it happens

We’re all still alive, did it happen after all? Lmao

Black woman gets assaulted and chased out of a store in the US by Ukrainian refugees. When the victim is talking to the cops she even says:
>You can't grab people like this. This isn't Ukraine!
https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1spx6o7/the_entire_staff_of_a_zara_chased_after_a_lady/
One comment called them Russian. Most comments ignore the fact they're Ukrainian.

These are the kinds of uneducated hillbilly savages that Europe is letting in BY THE MILLIONS. They think that just because Ukrainians are white-presenting that they are cultured and civilized. They're not. Outside of Kiev and Lvov, Ukraine is a shithole full of racists and homophobes.

>>2786908
Because basically all is lost for Ukraine at this point; there’s nothing really to preserve (at least from the Ukrainian state’s perspective) by actually seeking an end to hostilities. In all likeliness, the “Korea” option would just result in “West Ukraine” collapsing because having the population tolerate perma-war is one thing, getting them to rebuild society with and for little to no money and have them respect the laws of a state for whom a lot will be disclosed about post-war, is quite another.

Zelensky therefore keeps pushing for a defensive pact and making it the sole condition to peace, because he knows that’s something the west is not going to give him but it’s certainly something Ukrainians would want for their troubles if that is actually on the table.

>>2786858
>there's no way Ukraine at this point can actually afford to pay for any of the weapons they're given
they just got €90 billies. Still hasn't been released to them, btw. So they have a first tranche of some 40 billies coming soon.

Ukraine is literally swimming in cash, they lack manpower.

>>2787280
I'll say it again: Ukrainian refugees are savages that need to be removed from our countries and sent back to Ukraine.

>>2787282
Sure but that’s a loan, technically. It will be a miracle if Ukraine manages to pay back the amount borrowed, let alone the interest that would make such a deal worthwhile.

Essentially, the EU has agreed to buy €90 billion worth of war from itself with the intention of handing whatever they purchase from the US over to Ukraine. It’s not like Ukraine can receive that money in cash and decide to end the war and use the money instead for buying Rolls Royces rebuilding the country.

>>2787300
>Sure but that’s a loan, technically.
I can sell you a bridge, technically. Interested? Everyone knows it's not a loan, it's a grant. Ukraine has to pay it back only if Russia pays them reparations.
>Essentially, the EU has agreed to buy €90 billion worth of war from itself
Not really. Half the money will be used to pay Ukrainian salaries, pensions, healthcare, social services. They actually calculated Ukraine needs €127B over 2 years. They are €37B short for 2027. They have no idea where they're gonna get that. They asked Norway to tap into their sovereign fund but Norway told the EU to fuck off.

>>2787307
Sure but “swimming with cash” implies that it’s Ukraine’s money, but it isn’t. It’s a loan officially, a grant in practice, and the money has already been earmarked for paying state salaries and suicide drones/missiles.

Point being, all that money is getting burned, so outside of shareholders of the weapons industry enjoying a windfall, it doesn’t make sense as a cause for why London as a whole is willing to risk putting themselves in harm’s way for Ukraine by notably allowing British weapons to be used for scuttling peace talks.

Even for the shareholders of BAE Systems, cycling British tax money to themselves isn’t a long term goal, the point of exports is that your market is the rest of the world. Exchanging school dinners for giving Ukraine free drones is kind of small fry in comparison to equipping an oil-rich Gulf state with a full fleet of particularly expensive tanks, for example.

>>2787316
>cycling British tax money to themselves isn’t a long term goal
What could have possibly given you the idea that these people are planning for the long term? They're constantly running schemes to transfer the wealth from working class people to the bourgeoisie. This is par for the course.

Your problem is that you're trying to use logic where there is none.

>>2787320
We’re all still alive, so presumably there’s some future that’s worth not nuking out of existence.

There has to be a reason for why the entire British ruling class are on board with claiming responsibility for scuttling peace talks, I can’t see that the weapons industry alone is lobbying for that to win a taxpayer-paid contract for low cost and low profit margin suicide drones, for a state that is unlikely to be a long term customer.

And actually tbh this conflict probably hasn’t been that great for weapons manufacturers. They might make some money selling a handful of new weapons to replace shit that’s been lost to givas, but all the Leopard 2s and F-16s that are now destined to be lost are also lucrative support contracts going up in smoke. The EU has had much difficulty in convincing major weapons manufacturers to scale up production for Ukraine when Ukraine itself doesn’t have any money and could conk out at any moment suddenly killing all demand for expensive weaponry. At best you’ve got a closed VW factory being reopened for low cost and/or single use weapons.


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