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Sideshow war edition

Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323735
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323740
https://azovlobby.substack.com/
https://banderalobby.substack.com/

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DeepStateMap: https://deepstatemap.live
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>Video Essays / Historical Background
📺 • Ukraine: The Avoidable War - Boy Boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8

📺 • Ukraine's Nazi Problem - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZvWAwU5W4

📺 • America, Russia, and Ukraine's Far Right - Gravel Institute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0pyVJG7_6Q

📺 • The Nature of Putin's Russia and Its Causes (3-Part Series) - 1Dime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8d6Vzi7zYg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zODWTfMwFGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zuygh9Mzuo

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>>2795297
I think my favourite instance of them narratively shooting themselves in the foot is with Challenger 2. Endless mentions of how one has never been lost to military action, that it’s the toughest NATO tank and basically indestructible, designed specifically to ratio the Soviet stuff Russia uses… got bogged down instantly due to its massive weight, abandoned and the destroyed by a missile.

At that point then everyone’s like
>Oh well OBVIOUSLY it wasn’t going to work in Ukraine, it was designed to fight in Berlin on paved roads rather than the boggy ground in Ukraine, erm ackshually that’s why Soviet tanks are like half the weight, geez.

>NATO considers ending annual summits
uh oh

>>2795430
Zisters is so bogged down that they dont even care to do annual meetings…Putin's russia for you…

>The training of militants for a coup attempt in Mali, according to the Russian Ministry of Defence, was carried out with the involvement of Ukrainian and European mercenary instructors.
>Units of the African Corps prevented the attempted coup on April 25, which was carried out by illegal armed groups. The militants suffered losses of more than 2,500 people.

Whether it's Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Mali, or anywhere else the empire is trying to subjugate, Ukraine will be there trying to help.
Then they will show up on your tv saying they're a victim and everyone should give them stuff.

>Ruzzia sells Ukrainian grain to Pissrael
Anti imperialism with zizter characteristics

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>>2795467
logical and expected alliance

12 more years of winning.

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<Trump told King Charles III that Putin "wants war" and could "annihilate the entire population".

<At least that's how his words were interpreted by lip readers, according to the New York Post.


<According to their analysis, when meeting the king at the White House, Trump mentioned the recent assassination attempt on him and his conversation with the Russian president.


<"This shooting. It's not good. I wasn't ready, but now I am," Trump said.


<"I'd rather not stand here for long. I feel like I don't belong here," Charles joked in response.

copied from telegram. huge doubt about as would be very uncucktinlike

"Right now, I'm talking to Putin. He wants war," Trump stated.

Charles tried to change the subject: "We'll discuss this later."

But Trump continued the topic: "I have a feeling… if he does what he said, he will annihilate the entire population."

Charles again suggested changing the subject: "Next time."

>>2795589
>interpreted by lip readers
Lmao did the body language experts corroborate this?

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>>2795554
this is where the EU draws the lines with zionistland.
they won't do it, anyways

Putin comments on Ukrainian strikes on Russian Black Sea oil refinery
>Kiev has turned to openly terrorist methods to compensate for battlefield setbacks, the Russian president says
<He spoke about the increased terrorist threat Russia has been facing during a meeting on Tuesday dedicated to the security of the elections set to take place this fall. The threat stems from the activities of international terrorist and extremist groups, as well as from Ukraine, Putin said.
>The terror tactics are meant to compensate for the setbacks Ukraine has been suffering on the battlefield, Putin noted, adding that such actions will not alter the course of the conflict between Moscow and Kiev.
https://swentr.site/russia/639230-putin-oil-refinery-attack-ukraine/

I guess you can call that a comment

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>>2795859
>gaza
<i sleep
>muh ukrainian grain
<real shit

>>2795859
It's all about the loyalty to the liberal washington-beltway - Brussel - London axis. EU ghouls see their "win condition" as outlasting Trump and then winning Russia and POOOTIN with the next democrat president who will reward their loyalty by recommitting to Europe. They also hope that Israel lobby will align with them, or at least they think can't play American politics if they don't kowtow to the greatest ally every now and again (no that it's any kind of a bother or sacrifice to people like Kaja Kalas).

>>2795859
>>2795863
RIP double genocide theory

>>2795859
The EU already sanctions Israel while Ruzzion ships them oil

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>>2795891
inb4
>2022
that has stayed the same after 2023 according to official EU website, but I guess Ruritania banned exporting canned sardines to Israel or something

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>Putin plans to announce mobilization. We have documents from the Russian General Staff - Zelensky
XAXAXAXAXAXA

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>>2795886
name them.
no, individual targeted sanctions are worthless. they are merely symbolic token gestures for people like (You).

>>2795905
he says that literally every single month

>>2795891
I'll never understand why NAFOids picked exports to Israel as a metric for supporting Zionists. It just seems obviously flawed even without getting into statistics.

I guess I'll never know what sanctions the EU imposed on zionistlan. I asked the troll to name them, but hey, no one can name things that doesn't exist.

Ukraine war is a nothing ever happens

what happened to my le hecking fast European and second European super wars Russia tfr real life

>Ranking Ukraine’s “Game Changer” Weapons From Best to Worst
Get ready for some history legends tier-list slop.

>>2795942
It's happening but in TFR

>>2795474
>odinist patch
>isis patch
>FREEDOM ISNT FREE
i need whatever these ukrops are smoking, I want to forget the hardships of life and escape into schizoland

>>2795920
they just needed to have at least 1 of their "gotcha" to blame china and couldnt find anything better. all the pro imperialist retards are the same, same as polyps reasoning, they never understand a situation with any nuance or complexity, they only function with "gotchas" and will just search for one that justify their view and spam it endlessly.

>>2795946
<S tier
>chinese drones

<A tier

>electronic warfare equipment, starlink

<B tier

>himars

<F tier

>everything else

>>2795956
Au contraire, I think pro-imperialists try to invent nuance where there isn't any because the reality is so cut and dry. NATO supports genocide in Gaza and in Donbass via direct military and diplomatic assistance, it shouldn't therefore be difficult to see why /ukr/ (generally) has the opinion it does.

Russia and China selling oil on the open market where it can be bought by Israel gets presented as a gotcha that's supposed to make "support for Israel" nuanced, but does it really?

>>2795980
I like when they trot out the statistic that Russians are the most common dual citizenship holders in the IDF after Americans.
Every single Russian Israeli I've ever interacted or heard of is a hardcore pro-western Russia-hating slava ukraini liberal.
Israel is the dumping ground for Russian gusanos.
It's like saying Cuba is pro-American or the DPRK is pro-SK because all the gusanos live there.

>>2795859
Zionists and zizters…. Ziozizters!

>>2795955
Despite Ukraine being heralded as heroes of democracy, it seems like most of the Ukrainians with any influence relish being the bad guys and seemingly admire anyone who's considered the bad guy, real or fictional, from ISIS to Darth Vader.

I'm certain that the Ukrainians in these images are wearing SS insignia get a kick out of seeing otherwise liberal western media outlets encouraging their readership to ignore what they see and support Neo-Nazis with vigour. Like that's the kind of power described in Orwell novels, it must be a real trip for people who were football hooligans 10 years ago.

>>2795863
I wonder what will do now the EU-UA-IL flags morons in the social media.

How many more naziggers will die after they get mobilized zisters? I think two million is a nice round number. It's a good price to pay to build up our precious fascist mother russia

>>2795992
As cringe as they are, I kinda feel sorry for Russian self-exiles. Like they have to go so much further than Gusanos do, they have to go beyond expressing hatred of the state and into hatred of the "vatnik" mindset of their former fellow nationals, only to then get eaten by a shark and have the westerners they pandered so hard to be like
>lol deserved, fucking vatnik.

>>2796063
You're such a flamboyant retard ITT in simultaneously calling others "naziggers" while constantly fetishizing mass death, I'm genuinely curious why you've limited yourself to 2 million? This is your fantasy, you can go full banderite and claim more Russians will die than actually exist.

>>2796065
Recently I've learned that russian libs have a stiff competition in form of iranian expats, but still somehow manage to be somewhat worse

bakhmut status?

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Filter out the retards and the thread is just dead lol

>>2796189
>is the world wrong and doesn't agree with me?
<NO! I am the only right one!

>>2795034
Ukraine is not committing genocide against millions of people, are they? KYS faggot.

>>2796196
They would have if they won anywhere, like they did to civilians in Sudja.

>>2796197
If some kind of Russian genocide were going to happen in Ukraine, don't you think Poroshenko would have done it already?

>>2796203
Dude, they were running secret prisons in occupied Donbass territories, with DNR forces showing the facilities to journalists. People were disappeared there for being critical of Ukraine to any degree.

>>2796205
I'm aware, genuinely what is even remotely unique about this? It's evil of course, but it's far from being out of the ordinary for a country in wartime. Russia does this exact same shit.

Bottom line: the question here is not "Is Ukraine evil?". Of fucking course it is, it's a Capitalist post-Soviet state, no shit it's evil. And it goes without saying that there's a pretty big problem with Nazism in Ukraine, there's no doubt. However, the question here is "Is Ukraine remotely evil enough to justify invading it, killing countless people in the process?". If your answer to this is "Yes" then you're a fucking lunatic. Ukraine is not comitting genocide, it is not annexing its neighbors, it is not exceptionally oppressive compared to other countries, it's just a 3rd world country puppeteered by the West. Putin's solution? Hundreds of thousands of dead proles in exchange for FUCKING NOTHING. What the hell has any of this accomplished? Where is the great victory over oppression? A ton of Ukrainians went from being in Capitalist State #1 to being in Capitalist State #2! Kill yourself if you're supporting this!

>>2796222
So many rhetorical tricks in one post, but the primary one is accusing Russia of something specific, killing “hundreds of thousands of proles”, while Ukraine gets let off with just being called “evil” without specifying what you mean by that.

But presumably you don’t mean much by “evil”, if you think people ought to kill themselves for thinking invading an “evil” state is justified.


>>2796313
I specify Russia as having killed hundreds of thousands of Proles because they're the ones who started the war.
>Ukraine gets let off with just being called “evil” without specifying what you mean by that
I hardly specified why Russia is "Evil" either outside of the context of the war, as that's ultimately the focus. I don't see what there is to gain by droning on about all of the problems of Ukraine. Oligarchic, corrupt, teeming with Nazis, Capitalist, how long do you want me to do this? As I said, the question is NOT "Is Ukraine evil". All countries are evil in any variety of different ways, some more than others. This does not mean that any invasion of that country is justified. In order for a war to be justified it must either be against an entity so evil that to wage war is more merciful than to foster peace (WWII, American Civil War, Palestinian struggle for liberation, Slave revolts, Iran war), or it must be a proletarian war fought on behalf of the workers against the ruling classes (This automatically fits into the prior requirement anyway). The Russian invasion of Ukraine is neither of these.


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