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>>2768926Copypasting everything cuz I'm not the official thread baker
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>I want to thank my fellow leftychuds for making the absolute best banger board on all of leftypol. O7 O7 O7Why are the first replies of this thread gooner slop
>>2770795This site is shit now.
How to end the war? Why doesn't the US just offer to buy the uranium? Trying to steal it will be more expensive.
>>2770798You've been saying this for the past 10 years
>>2770801that rabbit talks retarded
Pretty much confirmed those republican people are in full control of Iran.
I mean like I don't really care bro they can keep the Carlsons and the Fuentes' I don't really like those guys anyway
>>2770799USA-Israel leaders are still delusional. They want a peace that returns things to the way they were before their stupid decision to start the war but don't fully understand yet why the current Iranian leadership is unwilling to accept that. Iranian leadership, in fact, will take no verbal peace deals on their own. they will only stop their attacks on USA-Israel once they feel they've caused enough material damage that they are not in immediate danger of being attacked again in 6 months. Charging tolls for passage through the strait is simply the new normal.
As for the uranium no shot they'll ever hand it over now. They've gotta be working double time to build nuclear warheads.
>>2770807That uranium isn't even ready, they could sell now and buy more later if they wanted but they don't even need conventional nukes since they're doing well enough with drones and hypersonics without causing mass casualties like the west does with carpet bombing. The better deterrent is economic control but squeezing too much at the toll booth will just end up with the development of alternative routes and a focus on renewables.
>>2770819
>multipoltarity means more global conflicts
War coming closer to home doesn't mean there are more wars. Imperialists are merely feeling insecure
>>2770819
It won't end but there should be better alternatives suggested than my example. If anyone wants deescalation they need to start somewhere.
>>2770819>>2770822Realistically speaking, we live in a time period where liberal democracies want to show their force. Basically, they view current situation as "you autocrats wanted rule of power, now we will show you!!!!"
>>2770812>but squeezing too much at the toll booth will just end up with the development of alternative routesthere are no alternative routes that aren't within distance of iranian missiles, the real limit is how high the troll toll could be is, well, profit. if the toll + insurance is so high shipping isn't profitable, then bougies simply won't ship.
>>2770826
>we won't get touched!!1 We will bomb you with impunity!!1
Dude, you'll get massive civil unrest from a hundred corpses. Besides, "imperialist" countries defending from actual real deal imperialists don't fight imperialist countries' population, they fight for survival against America's MIC.
You can claim retarded KIA stats all you want, but while no amount of dropped bombs on civlians (with double tap) can force Iran to surrender, Iranian response against American bases in the area actually defeats USA militarily.
>>2770819
>War is not ending
My wager is that war will turn cold, and we will have some sort of normalcy where iran controls the strait and UAE and Saudi Arabia get so desperate they will have to cave. it'll release some pressure off the west, as prices are global, which will allow animosity to continue indefinitely, and iran retains leverage by closing the strait again whenever.
>>2770819
>everyone and everything is imperialism and the empire's victims are just as bad as the empire, so let's just support unipolarity by denouncing anyone opposing it m'kay?
no. we'll denounce you as a collaborator instead. fuck off
Diaper Rump was planning on having a hospital in the basement of the testicle room.
>>2770822But also multipolarity means there will be more wars.
>>2770838
The us hasn't won a war since Japan
>>2770838
One vote, and a subsequent failed coup, is the only reason Operation Downfall wasn't real. Learn history, dumb asshole.
>>2770838
do you have a job? i come in the morning, you're here, i browse this place in the evening, you're here. go find some meaningful employment.
Report leftcom poster on sight hes ban evading
>>2770839Kinda weird how we lost the Vietnam war and then the Vietnamese started making our walmart brand shoes in sweatshops.
>>2770836>>2770845By the way, same people who talk about how we need to support workers and not support bourgeois states also curiously enough equate fights for survival of "emerging imperialist powers", where their population gets doubletapped in schools, with USA and Israel who are the ones committing war crimes
>>2770844
Uh-huh, and how many more nuclear bombs they had in the pipeline? The deciding vote happened after Japan got nuked twice. And the military in China and SEA declared they would fight, anyway.
>>2770846Where else would you get your shoes, you moron? US-made shoes are unaffordable for US population, because you won so many wars that your quality of life shot through the roof, and now even homeless Americans each are worth 1000 third-worlders.
>>2770846Used to be Americans complained about made in Japan and now made in China. I'll cut the Vietnamese some slack and may they make shoes in peace.
>>2770852They are very nice people.
>>2770854Yes, with a proud heritage as cordwainers and cobblers.
>>2770857Had to google what cordwainers meant. We learn something new every day. 😊
>>2770858DPRK was defending itself against South Korean provocations, which intensified to almost daily attempts to cross the border, shoot DPRK soldiers, etc etc. When DPRK responded, it turned out that imperialists were caught with their pants down.
>>2770862>caught with their pants down.on the shitter is the better euphemism
>>2770858The north also almost lost before China came to their rescue
>>2770866
i don't think you know what histrionic means lol, perhaps it's because you giggled it.
>>2770866
> if you sucessfully defend your sovereignity (the sovereignity of the bourgeoisie over a delimited area to exploit the proletariat, which is what a bourgeois nation is), then the next step is to become imperialist, as imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, once the bourgeoisie are able to mantain control over their national proletariat, capitalist own contradictions will force them to try to spread their influencia on their neighbour countries.
Exactly what I was saying - defending civilian lives in your moronic brain means that local bourgeoisie is becoming imperialist.
>>2770870
perhaps you should re-read your posts
>>2770866
>influencia
which nation consumes more beans per capita, per year; Mexico or the UK?
>>2770876
Psycho
>>2770875
>y-you are only defending us to exploit us later!
Are you, like, 12?
>>2770880
That's my question to you. In your mind, country's services, military, government working to protect lives of people transforms into a lie to seize person's labor. What the fuck
>2 million dollars they demand per boat is wealth being created proletarians in Gulf states.
No, 2 millions come from Gulf's porkies.
>Iran wants to further extend their ability to exploit proles
I guess American bombs raining down on them is only a secondary concern, huh.
>>2770883
Donald?
>>2770883
deeply anti-communist, no telos. you're worthless and should be thrown in the trash.
We fizzlin'. NEHGODS stay winning
>>2770887
If you say so.
>>2770884
Marx playing on stock market meant that he was exploiting proles, actually
>>2770891
Your claim about 2 millions coming from proles is retarded. First of all, you have to prove that 2 millions fee is substracted from workers' wages, and not from capitalist's part of the product.
>>2770891
Third worldist theory says that marx was a moor hence why he gets a pass for being functionally an imperialist anglo treatlerite
>>2770896
weak cop-out non-answer, are you even trying to rile people up?
>>2770904
you're basically making the same mistake as citizen weston in how wages are determined, so you actually need to answer the question proper or shut the fuck up forever. the toll basically replaces insurance costs, it's just the insurer that changes.
>>2770907ignore the leftcomflag troll. they ruin literally every thread lately
>>2770913
> Citizen Weston is irrelevant to this conversation
> the question regarding how wages are determined is irrelevant in a conversation about worker wages
lmfao you couldn't even prompt deepseek correctly, sad
>>2770913
damn this uygha dumb as shit
>>2770929Theres a thread on meta about the leftcom poster, you could try complaining there
>>2770923give it 10 minutes we'll have AI slop
>>2770934It's been 20 minutes, where's AI slop?
>>2770819
There is a problem with your logic: America is using the last of their interceptors and advanced missilies right now. There is physically no more hardware for war at scale and they won't produce much more. They still have many planes and gravity bombs plus a big navy, but these are only good against an inferior foe without much air defense capability, or for blockades I guess. The point of the Iran war is that it's the last opportunity to enact the oil blockade against China since they already know they would lose if they enacted it in the pacific.
Can't believe I have to wait another month to see the dow plummet below 40k
>>2770940>an inferior foe without much air defense capability… so Iran?
>>2770943uygha they conistently shoot down non-stealthed high-altitude aircraft who fly overhead.
Currently three C-17s and two A-330s are heading to MENA, and earlier today there were fourteen C-17s and one C-130.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae10c0,ae10b8,43c6fa,3b7566,ae1234,ae123a,ae07df,ae1233,896c2d,ae07d9,ae0806,ae2fa3,ae123f,ae123c,4682ef,ae4f12,ae07ec,ae0814,ae07ef,ae4f15More carrier aircraft movements.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae0454,ae0451>>2770963All of these planes carry either interceptor ammo or stand-off munitions used in the bombings, alongside other miscellaneous shit.
Israel's bombing Iran's railway infrastructure.
Fucking hope these zionist bugpeople get what's coming to them
>>2770965An attack on a consulate with no available diplomats. Probably more sporadic than planned
>>2770974It’s truly unfortunate
>>2770975Yeah especially when the ai rap song gets stuck in your head
>>2770976Ngl it is a banger.
Bombing Kharg and railroads in Iran
>>2770862You act like I'm some liberal on Reddit so you've got to repeat the propaganda line. Nobody cares about a DPRK soldier here or there getting killed in a border skirmish, that's just an alibi for Kim Il Sung deciding to launch an offensive. There were DPRK patrols coming in from the other side and ROK soldiers who got killed.
>>2770994>You act like I'm some liberal on Redditare you not?
>>2770810big booba demon ladies are fascist now??
>>2770996If I were, do you think that you'd convince me with that.
>>2770994>You act like I'm some liberal on Redditi thought thats what the flag was for
>>2770780second post slop post. nobody sane in iran wants the shah, it was a halfhearted american larp. the protests were a disorganized expression of rage against islamic democracy with neoliberal characteristics, simple as. campsisters remember every single cold war cia operation to deboonk redditors but they can't remember the recent history of organic discontent within iran nor the escalation of the violence the government uses to squash it
>>2771016>>2771019fucking hell. Nukes?
>>2771024I don’t know, but at the very least he’s trying to target civilian infrastructure
>>2771016may all the pedophiles who voted for this retard suffer and have all their treats taken away
>>2770865this was after the un intervention anon, the north managed to push nearly all southern forces to busan
i hope the Iranian air defense boys are ready to grill some burger kabob tonight
>>2771024Would the US and their European vassals really be willing to turn themselves into pariahs just so they can nuke Iran? They might be able to get away with it internally but they would be instantly evaporating any relations they have with the global south permanently, and the US and the EU can't survive without cooperation from them for their resources.
>>277101699 Decision Street
99 ministers meet
To worry worry, super scurry
Call up the troops now in a hurry!
>>2771034being a 'pariah' only matters when you're not a global superpower like america is. that's why euros have been distancing themselves from this
>>2771041Plus, Orange man
JD Vance would be the most "I just work here" president.
>>2771047JD Vance is in the uncomfortable position of being for the war to allow for US state collapse for Silicon Valley tech elites to take further control but has to pretend like the war is bad because uhh America First or some shit Thiel told him to say
>>2771016Is this why Hegseth fired all the generals?
>>2771047vance would be a million times worse if he manages to get the MAGA base behind him
>>2771009It's a victory drenched in innocents' blood. I am comparing to USSR, obviously, but holding half of UN's votes didn't stop USA from committing war crimes either, so there's probably no point in doing what USSR did either
Total Zionist death
>>2771053reminder, TACO.Nothing will happen. Unless we get lucky and Trump gets luigi'ed in the back.
>>2771071He already tried to TACO
>>2771081Wtf I love slop now
>>2771081This is why China will win
oops wrong thread
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a measure into law Monday that gives him along with other Florida leaders the ability to label groups as domestic or foreign terrorist organizations and expel state university students who support them.
The law, criticized by free speech advocates, allows a top official at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to designate a group as a domestic or foreign terrorist organization, with the governor and three other members of the Florida Cabinet approving or rejecting the designation. Besides the governor, the Cabinet is made up of the state attorney general, the chief financial officer and the agriculture commissioner, all of whom are elected separately.
Once designated a terrorist organization, a group can be dissolved and it can no longer receive any state funding through school districts or state agencies. Universities also would have to report the status of expelled students attending on visas to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
https://apnews.com/article/desantis-florida-terrorist-groups-free-speech-0b5dfb47052a17168919a3ce3c80dead“So this will help the state of Florida protect you. It’ll help us protect your tax dollars,” DeSantis said at a news conference in Tampa. “It’ll help us protect things that should not be happening in the United States of America, but certainly shouldn’t be happening in the free state of Florida.”
DeSantis last December designated the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Muslim Brotherhoods as foreign terrorist organizations. A federal judge last month temporarily blocked the enforcement of DeSantis’ executive order.
PEN America, a free speech advocacy group, said the new law has vague language that could restrict education programs deemed to be “promoting” terrorism and that it could target student protesters who criticize Florida officials.
The new law “could chill education at every level,” said William Johnson, PEN America’s Florida director. “The implications are fraught.”
Maybe we'll get lucky and the nukes will hit Tel Aviv instead.
>>2771100Isn't he ok with it because he's a glowie?
>>2771100Iranian proles and burger proles are all revolutionary defeatists hoping to get nuked, revolution soon comrades
Lahore (AsiaNews) – Pakistan's Federal Constitutional Court (FCC), presided over by Justice Syed Hasan Azhar Rizvi, has recognised the validity of the marriage between Maria Bibi, a 13-year-old Christian girl, and a Muslim man named Shehryar Ahmad.
The same court rejected a habeas corpus petition for the protection of personal freedom filed by the girl's father, who was seeking her release.
In its ruling, the Court dismissed the request of Shahbaz Masih, a Christian resident of Lahore, who sought the release of his daughter, arguing that she was a minor and held illegally after contracting an invalid marriage.
Instead, a two-judge bench ruled that the girl, who had embraced Islam, was of age and therefore under the lawful custody of her husband.
Shahbaz Masih had filed an appeal under Section 491 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC) before an Additional Sessions Judge (ASJ) in Lahore, seeking her release, but the appeal was dismissed on 9 October 2025, as the court considered the girl's statements made both before the magistrate and a justice of the peace.
Another appeal was also dismissed by the Lahore High Court (LHC) on 17 October 2025, prompting her father to file a complaint with the Federal Constitutional Court under Sections 363 and 365-B of the Pakistan Penal Code, alleging that his daughter had been kidnapped.
However, during the probe, Maria Bibi appeared before a magistrate and made a statement, stating that she had married Shehryar Ahmad of her own free will and that she had not been kidnapped.
The FCC also noted that Maria Bibi had embraced Islam and emphasised that no formal rituals other than the declaration of faith were required for conversion.
The Court accepted an affidavit attached to the Nikahnama, a traditional Islamic marriage contract, and a certificate from the Darul-Afta Ahle-Sunnat, a Sunni religious centre, as sufficient proof of her conversion.
“I am expressing my deep concern and I strongly condemn the recent court decision in the case of 13-year-old Christian girl Maria Shahbaz, and demand court authorities review their decision,” said Father Shahzad Arshad, director of the Justice and Peace Commission office of the Archdiocese of Karachi.
In his view, “a just and secure society every citizen should receive protection and justice without discrimination. It is very important that investigations into alleged forced conversions and underage marriages be serious, transparent, and consistent with constitutional protections.”
Bishop Indrias Rahmat of Faisalabad, along with the National Commission for Justice and Peace (NCJP), also expressed great concern.
In a statement, they highlighted gaps in the current legal framework, including the absence of explicit provisions declaring child marriages null and void, the non-mandatory nature of marriage registration, and the lack of clear legal guidelines regarding the custody of underage girls.
Given such concerns, Bishop Indrias Rahmat and the Justice and Peace Commission of the Diocese of Faisalabad jointly call on the Pakistani government and parliament to take immediate legislative steps to declare child marriage legally null and void, set the minimum legal age for marriage at 18, and ensure that the custody of minor girls remains exclusively with their parents or recognised child protection institutions.
They also call for mandatory judicial investigation and marriage registration, with severe penalties for officiants, witnesses, and facilitators involved in any violence.
The Karachi-based Minority Rights March organisation also expressed shock and outrage over the order issued by a two-judge bench of the FCC.
They stressed that Maria is a victim of kidnapping and child marriage and could also be constantly exposed to other heinous crimes by her abductor.
Danny Waqas, a human rights activist, also reacted to the case. “I respectfully wish to express my concern regarding the recent court ruling allowing Muslim men to marry Christian women,” he said.
“If such interfaith marriages are permitted, then fairness and equality should apply to everyone,” he explained. “A sincere question arises: If Muslim men can marry Christian women, why are Christian men not equally permitted to marry Muslim women? True religious freedom should be based on equality, mutual respect, and genuine choice — not one-sided permissions.”
https://www.asianews.it/news-en/Pakistan%E2%80%99s-Constitutional-Court-upholds-marriage-between-Muslim-man-and-13-year-old-Christian-girl-65151.html>>2771109Oil price manipulation, but that doesn't seem to be working that well anymore
>>2771109congress can initiate the 25th ammendment any time btw
trump is demented and has his finger on the big red button
>>2771116its exactly what chumps like jones voted for
>>2771109https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theoryAlthough Trump is too childish to even pull this off effectively
>>2771120I, for one, welcome this intra-right fighting but you just know in 10 years they'll have narratives like
>ONLY TUCKER STOOD UP AND CALLED IT OUT FOR WHAT IT IS>ALL THE LEFTISTS AND JEWS AND ZIONISTS AND RINOS SUPPORTED THE WAR>ONLY THE WHITE CHRISTIAN NATIONALIST AMERICA FIRST MOVEMENT WAS AGAINST THE WARI just fucking know this is going to happen
>>2771109If trump drops a nuke it would probably start ww3 but for realsies. The fuhrer bunker under the white house and golden dome shit make so much more sense now.
>>2771125Hey that's assuming humans dont go extinct
>>2771132this is how bad the liberal west has fucked up since the fall of the USSR lol
>>2771125The American Right is fucked after this war is over. You have no idea how badly the GOP squandered everything and will now force the RW to carry this from on
>>2771120Can't Cuck Tuck.
>>2771139>>2771144Who says that? Did you just teleport in from 2017? Plus refer to
>>2771125, these rightoid burgers will not save you nor will they contribute meaningfully to ending the war. It's in the hands of the IRGC, Hezbollah, and Ansar Allah. A single Hezbollah FPV drone will do more in this war than every single tweet or video MTG or Cucker produce
>>2771149I have argued relentlessly with people here about the stuff that Tucker Carlson says and I have been attacked for giving him any type of praise a lot
>>2771152Which by the way, if I decided to praise Hassan I will get very little push back here despite him also being a commentator
oh yeah guys uhhh it's actually Fucker Qatarlson who is the real communist! We should definitely shill this reactionary faggot constantly on LEFTypol!!!
>>2771144
NOT TRUE. It's clear as day that Iranian protesters were defenceless grassroot organizations who were unlawfully killed by the Iranian regime! /s
>>2771152Cucker can be useful for anti-Zionist agitprop for the right, but that's really about it. Look at his interview with Nick Fuentes, his only gripe with Nick was that "ermm my Christian faith doesnt allow me to describe things the way you're saying (but I agree with you 100% otherwise)" - he is a snake and incapable of changing no matter how hard he tries to do his chameleon trick of morphing from a neocon into this new faux-Christian shtick
get this fucking Fucker SHartleson bullshit the fuck out of here holy shit dude kill yourself
>>2771016why has no one kirked this guy yet
>>2771155Hassan Pecker is arguably worse, he's an animal abuser and a e-celeb thot whereas Tucker is merely a normie CIA asset.
>>2771168>>2771152PLEASE go to fucking /ISG god damn it both of you or kill yourselves NOW
My cope prediction is that this is really all bluster so that a milder (but still evil) attack will be seen as Trump cooling down to pave the way for negotiations.
>>2771168this
>>2771169alternatively fuck off to reddit
>>2771175So yeah, just madman theory.
correct me if I'm wrong here, but a nuke generally has to be flown over a target and dropped, or at least fired from a huge missile. Wouldn't the israeli anti air defence be good enough to rely on to detect such an attack well in advance?
And wouldn't the usual standoff conditions still apply of MAD? The premise of this war seems like bollocks to me
Until gas rations and lines at the pump reach me this war isn’t real, I can turn it on and off by clicking away
>>2771180Iran never had any intention of using nukes, it was all bullshit.
The actual reason Israel wants Iran taken out is because Iran is the biggest threat to the Greater Israel project. If Iran is taken out then Israel is free to carry out Lebensraum.
>>2771184okay, I'm but a simple retard on the internet, but why hasn't this idea been pushed out there as part of the general consensus? Maybe it has, dunno
>>2771187sionistas control the media and our government anon. it is obvious why dissident critique is suppressed
>>2771187What does this even mean. Pushed by who? Pushed where?
>>2771190pushed by people talking about the war, to the wider mainstream
>>2771187Zionists control all the mainstream news and even a lot of independent voices fail to grasp just how evil Israel actually is, the scope of their planned genocide.
>>2771016Iran is gonna die
>>2771190like, if I went into a shop and just said "alright mate, this war eh? The premise is total bollocks, they would never use a nuke even if they had one, and if they did it would just get shot down anyway" and instead of looking at me like I'm a maniac, they would be like "yeah I know mate what a load of lying bastards, it's just so they can rig up an ethnostate in the East"
How long until he drops a nuke?
>>2771200he will drop a nuke in his underpants at 8:01
>>2771203Put your local conservatives in gas chambers for your safety.
daily reminder that 96% of americans approve of this
>>2771152>Tucker shill caught shilling in the Iran war threadPottery
>>2771207It’s their fault for not giving me pistachios for free at gunpoint
>>2771211Eat a fish delight and watch tv
>>2771211he will blow up a couple more bridges and a power station and it won't change jack shit, then we will be back to two more weeks.
>>2771211Honestly i bet on a spec ops like in Venezuela
>>2771024(((Mark Levin))) was arguing on Fox News for him to use 'em and the orange migger told everyone to watch him. Bleak
>>2771214Plot twist:he’s watching Fox News coverage of the bombers dropping a nuke.
Calm down you fucking babies. Even if Trump does nuke Iran, and he won’t because most American nukes aren’t even functional, all it will do on the global stage is raise the prices of oil and give Russia, China and the rest of the imperial periphery more of an advantage. Unironically short term pain for long term gain
>>2771187there are anons on this board who will deny israeli schemes for redrawing the borders
>>2771222How about the Lesbian of the Caspian?
>>2771221uyghur cities 6000 years old are about to get glassed get a fucking grip this is not short term pain this is retarded and suicidal, amerikkka will drag everyone to hell before accepting that it's over
>>2771221We have thousands of nukes, by law of large numbers at least two or three of them are functional
>>2771211I'm really hoping it's a threat to try to force Iran to negotiate but who the fuck knows at this point.
Trump has talked about using nukes before, maybe he'll finally do it. And what then? I don't know.
>>2771211commit warcrimes
>>2771227It’s not over, nor is it a real war until American cities are bombed
>>2771227he's all talk dude. If he nukes Iran then China will nuke Israel. So it's not all bad.
>>2771221You are mentally ill, genuinely. Fix your heart or die.
>>2771231Who's going to bomb America?
>>2771232How is China going to nuke Israel??
>>2771234Probably the FBI
>>2771227Nobody ever said that war was pretty
>>2771116Reminder that all Arabs are a single people and therefore displacing Arabs from Israel is not a genocide. However Iranians aren't even Arabs so I don't see how this is related
>>2771116It is what you voted for you fucking retard.
If Trump is removed there has to be consequences for all the people who have ever aided him too. And I mean all of them.
>>2771163'cuz the mossad ain't gonna kirk the goodest of their goys
>>2771116basically all the conservative retards will pretend to be "concerned" and say that "this isnt what we voted for" until trump chickens out and they go back to the usual NPC script praising his every action
these are the same people who claimed to lose trust for trump after the epstein files. everytime trump does some stupid shit they clain to be jumping ship, but the grift is too strong and theyre back a week later
>>2771242What about Hillary? Aren't there dozens of Seth Richs that were killed by the Clintons? You'd think she still have some hitmen on her payroll
>>2771231god i hate america sm
Who is better at pretending to be a madman, Trump or Putin?
>>2771248Is Trump pretending?
>>2771232>If he nukes Iran then China will nuke Israel.China and Russia aren't going to launch a suicidal retaliatory strike for Iran, but a nuclear first strike like that would likely change their nuclear doctrine and posture. If the US normalizes the use of low-yield tactical nuclear weapons to break A2/AD networks or secure maritime chokepoints, then China is incentivized to utilize the exact same methodology to resolve the Taiwan question, or Russia to resolve the Russo-Ukrainian war or the Suwalki Gap. The US loses the ability to deter its primary geopolitical rivals through the threat of escalation, because the US has already demonstrated that the ultimate escalation is merely another tactical tool. The threshold for MAD is permanently lowered.
>>2771248cucktin never pretended to be a madman
>>2771248Trump 100% because he actually bombs people unlike St. Cucktin.
>>2771248putin isnt a madman. its the image of him in western media as some machivellian master mind and new hitler james bond villain
>>2771248Putin hasn’t had a stated goal of wiping out civilizations yet.
>>2771221>most American nukes aren’t even functionalSource? Sounds like a cope
>>2771254He said he would use nukes in Ukraine at one point though.
>>2771125This requires a level of introspection and self-awareness that rightoids are incapable of. The rightoid does not think. He receives his talking points from blogs and twitter and if those talking points change then he changes too. Hence why MAGA went from 80% "no new wars" to 80% "let's bomb Iran".
>>2771261They get their talking points from Ben Shapiro
>>2771259Wish he would. Charities for Ukkkrainians have become a blight on my feed.
>>2771260Yeah, I remember Frazzledrip. Still think it's deepfake tho.
No doubt she helped arrange pedo dates for her husband though. Pretty sure she and Bill had sex exactly once to conceive Chelsea.
>>2771125>I, for one, welcome this intra-right fightingTranslation from Hebrew: Genocide? Of course I support that.
>ONLY TUCKER STOOD UP AND CALLED IT OUT FOR WHAT IT ISThat's true and you only hate him because he's critical of Israel and (implicitly/indirectly) of jews
>ALL THE LEFTISTS AND JEWS AND ZIONISTS AND RINOS SUPPORTED THE WARThat's true including the "leftists" part because the democratic party could work with republican dissenters to shut this war down right now, but they don't because they only do what Israel tells them to.
Fuck. The fact Israel isn't rangebanned tells you everything you need to know about this board.
OPEN THE FUCKIN STRAIT
>>2771271Probably because refineries which use crude are starting to run out and they're buying whatever is available at whatever price in order to not shut down operations.
>>2771275See? Nothing was ever going to happen. Meanwhile if Kamala or Hillary were president you can bet Iran would be a radioactive crater by now with missiles heading for Russia and China
>>2771269>rangebansRangebans make VPN posting very difficulty and unfounded accusations about being a datacenter all too common.
>>2771161Damn, he's based
>We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye … and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.>Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that, y'all. Not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that. >>2771277Any oilfags can explain why shutting refiner down is bad?
>>2771248Neither of them are pretending. Putin presents himself as restrained, cautious, and calculating, which he is. Trump presents himself as an unhinged retard, which he is.
>>2771282It's not like using a microwave, i don't think you can switch them on and off willy nilly
>>2771282It's not that it's bad per se, but the people who own and operate them want them to always be working 24/7 because otherwise they wouldn't be making any profit.
>>2771284That's the oil wells (they get damaged when not operated steadly), not the refineries.
Is Trump gonna nuke iran tonight or what?
>>2771290Except none of that is happening because Iran has already terminated negotiations. The only way out is through comr8s and even Trump knows it
>>2771292I think they did well to officially terminate discussions, so the orange turd nugget can't halucinate another deal
>>2771283Why is Putin cautious? Is he a cuck?
>>2771286>That's the oil wells (they get damaged when not operated steadly)Why do they get damaged? They gotta pump the well until it's dry?
The bots on reddit and Twitter are in full meltdown calling the protestors coming out to protect their bridges and power stations 'human shields' completely disregarding the fact that this is a term supposed to apply to military targets and that striking civilian infrastructure in itself is already a war crime.
>>2771269Fuck off back to /pol why the fuck are you here faggot?
>>2771297Something about the oil gunking up and water getting into places it isn't supposed to. I don't understand the fine details so you should probably research that if you wanna know more.
>>2771305In Australia they don't have this issue because the oil naturally wants to flow out as it is aided by gravity
>>2771016The regime change the CIA and MI6 did to Iran in 1953 is the reason we're here today. I don't guess there's any way to get through to them that they're only making things worse this time since they can't foresee how genocidal war crimes and nuclear escalation will destroy the world. If he's the final boss of antichrist even Susie Wiles won't be able to change his mind. All of civilization is at risk.
Remember, Trump is an anti-imperialist
>>2771303probably got tired of all the AI military recruiter slop, isreal bots and 90% of the threads being interacial porn
>>2771308What makes you think Susie Wiles isn't actively trying to get Trump to launch nukes to herald the End Times?
>>2771316
>doesnt understand that marx was writing satire against anti-semites and that marx was ethnically jewish
go back to reddit
>>2771269>the left is responsible for the war in iran because theyre not doing enough to stop the right (who started the war in the first place)genuine mental retardation. no wonder the epstein class can easily control you people
>>2771269>Translation from Hebrew: Genocide? Of course I support that.I can put words into your mouth too, here look:
<I'm anon and I'm a hairy obese retard who loves the IDF and DA TROPHY SYSTEM GOT THE RPG BRO NO DAMAGE DONE and OMG LOOK AT DAT PILOT RESCUE AMERICA IS SO BACK BABYYYYOh you didn't say that? Then I never said that I'm Jewish or that I supported Israeli atrocities you fucking moron, kys
>That's true and you only hate him because he's critical of Israel and (implicitly/indirectly) of jewsI hate him because he's a phony bastard who is going to redirect anger at Zionism and American imperialism towards rightoid pet projects like mass deportations. He's already doing it, like "muh fellow Americans lack healthcare because of the wars and uhh immigrants are taking it away from them"
You're a fucking idiot and you're stuck in the 2010's like the absolute fucking loser you are. Go ahead and join the epic Cucker Christian militia like you so desperately want to, and pay attention to what Hezbollah is doing to Merkavas in Lebanon right now - that's your fate you useless piece of burger garbage.
>>2771314She may be, but I used her as an example of nobody being able to reason with him. His insular circle tells him what he wants to hear or they wouldn't be there. If J.D. was a man he could stand up, but that's also too much to expect. We're all cooked.
>>2771318>marx was writing satire against anti-semitesholy cope
>>2771211More regular bombs, kill some high profile Iran dude, say the war is once again won, cry about the Hormussy being shut
>>2771318>Go back to [glown*g controlled honeypot] A>Go back to [glown*g controlled honeypot] BYou fags are so lazy and low-effort. At least tell me to go back to someplace actually based like mastodon instances etc…
>>2771328try actually reading on the jewish question you braindead retard
>>2771332Marx's solution to innate human greed was to not allow people to privately own anything. He was a hecking smart man.
>>2770846They make damn good shoes, all things considered
>>2771319if by the left he means democrats he is correct
>>2771332It was a response to 'the jewish question' the quotes you chimped out without bothering to read the source as you're a braindead reddit retard that refuses to read anything longer than can be summarized in a TL;DR on a reddit ama are him exaggerating the position of the anti-semite hes responding to in order to show how ridiculous it is.
>>2771338You absolutely did not read the book
>>2771344I don't read books
>>2771322RARE HOLDEN. Nice!
>>2771338a better solution would be to forcibly reeducate all rightoids, no matter whether they are Zionists or "MUH AMERICA FOIST!" burgertards like the obviously malding one ITT that hopes to gain """allies""" for Cucker Tarlson's crusade to take over the festering corpse that is American conservatism
>>2771342but that's completely wrong
do you even know german?
>>2771338> innate human greed muh human nature economics 101 mud pies iphone vuvuzela when the government does stuff authoritarianism no food
>>2771356there's always some cunt sitting pretty in a castle, no mater which 'ism you pick.
>>2771361>apolitical nihilismpassive indifference to the status quo in drag
go play a video game if this is all you're gonna say over and over
>>2771324>I hate him because he's a phony bastard who is going to redirect anger at Zionism and American imperialism towards rightoid pet projects like mass deportations. He's already doing it, like "muh fellow Americans lack healthcare because of the wars and uhh immigrants are taking it away from them"Who cares if the US deports millions of people? I would 1000000 times prefer that over support for Israel's policies of extermination/genocide and endless expansionist wars which is currently what we got.
>>2771109I feel like he's baiting a reaction from other politicians and bureaucrats so that he can invoke some kind of bullshit emergency powers clause and stay in power for longer. The fact that Tucker et. al. have suddenly started urging people to disobey orders fuels my suspicion. These aren't principled people.
>>2771362I'll keep saying it until it's not true, or until you demonstrate how marx solved it.
>>2771351they're posting on twitter
>>2770846the vietnam war was a civil war between north and south. south lost and america supported south. south lost. north won. on the question of muh sweatshops that was not what the war was about. yes it's true that america de-industrialized and outsourced commodity production because it had world reserve currency status and got to unilaterally end the gold standard and institute the petrodollar system, tying everyone's energy consumption to dollar holdings. That was a W for the US bourgeoisie but it wasn ever going to be a permanent state of affairs. it was an unsustainable W that planted the seed of future Ls.
>>2771363that's exactly the false dilemma that is being cooked up by the anti-Zionist right. do you actually believe that's the only two options that are available? even Trump's half baked deportation theater is causing immense social rifts, what do you think actual deportations would do? how would there be healthcare in the middle of a civil conflict? do you even think for longer than 5 seconds? no? okay
>>2771366maybe we are lucky after all and the burgerreich nukes itself in some kind of turbo retarded civil war
>>2771367you're the one who needs to provide an alternative otherwise you're just a demoralizer. you need to provide evidence for your statements, we don't need to write a book DEBOONKing you which you won't read.
>>2771359yes it was, but the parts in question are not paraphrasing bauer
>>2771359Yes, that doesn't mean it's satiric or unserious. It's a genuine critique of judaism that comes to the conclusion that jews can only be truly emancipated with the abolition of religion and material conditions presupposing it. It's truly shocking that Marx would critique a religion and didn't know that any criticism of judaism whatsoever makes you a four chan dot org slash pol user.
>>2771359bruno bauer's paper was a criticism of jewish identity politics (proto-zionism), which marx followed up on, claiming that the jew exists as an antinomy to the christian, since each come to define each other by inversion, equally as (i) civil society (judaism) and (ii) the state (christianity). marx's resolution is that bauer's integrationist secularism is not enough, but that the jew as incarnate capital can only persist wherever the christian society maintains its capitalist relations. so, antisemitism is an embedded anti-capitalism, which subjectifies capital in the figure of the jew (e.g. huckster) which allows christians to engage in capitalism themselves. its an early literature criticising antisemitic scapegoating as the socialism of fools, basically.
>muh vietnam sweatshops
>muh anti-marxism doomspiraling
>muh jewish question debate
ACTUAL FUCKING iran war status?
>>2771370 (me)
it's just so hilarious i have to say it, there are MAGA influencers saying "look Trump did deportations and set up ICE so why aren't you supporting him now in his hour of need?" THATS TEH FUCKING PLAYBOOK THEY DO EVERY TIME. you're not getting healthcare from rightoids who ultimately believe in the almighty market and it is absolutely hilarious that burger fascists think their country is capable of reforming as such, to provide excellent healthcare but only for white citizens when they know they can buy you off without providing even the pretense of healthcare or social benefits.
>>2771374>critique of judaismits a criticism of capitalism; judaism is just the naked image of the christian
I don't think there was ever a downed pilot and weapons guy. An Israeli journo was the leak for that story. Distraction most likely. They couldn't extract the uranium and had to tuck tail and run.
>>2771137See I thought the same thing after Bush 2, but if some moderate gets in after and talks about “healing the country” the GOP can recover.
>>2771382sapped and impurified
>>2771379abrahamoids in general really, even the mormons and rastafarians
>>2771370The point that I'm making is that Trump's deportations aren't really commensurable with the much greater and far more destructive policies that are being enacted against West Asian peoples in the name of Israel, and that it is clear that the democratic party DO NOT meaningfully diverge from the republicans on this matter. In this sense Tucker is far much closer to the revolutionary and anti-colonial position than even some of the most "lefty" of the democrats such as AOC and Sanders.
>>2771375>>2771374When I say 'Satire' this is what I mean, hes not saying Jewish people are hucksters, hes responding to the claim that 'well if they are, its capitalism' - By 'Satire' I mean taking a position 'oh you think jews are this?' and then flipping it on its head to show how it is capitalism.
He engages in mocking rhetoric throughout the essay, satire can be serious, but it is within the tone of his writing.
>>2771336seems to be the result of some kind of negotiation with the central iraqi government
>>2771275It doesn't matter one bit because Israel attacks bridges and electricity plants anyway
>>2771400and what did they get in return?
>>2771372Here is my plan:
ban usury by making charging interest on loans illegal. And let the rest sort itself out, instead of engaging in wishful thinking about everyone being equal and working together.
>>2771405Some muslim countries already do this, nothing changes.
>>2771403idk, these iraqi Shia militia groups have been acting with a lot of impunity attacking US bases in the country, I assumed it was because the Iraqi government was just too weak to actually try to stop them as in Lebanon with hezbollah, but there could also be under the table stuff happening to encourage the leaders in the govenment to look the other way.
>>2771409yeah it's called 'islam' bro, it enacts rather a strong social hierarchy
>>2771405>abandon marxism and revolutionary struggle, and instead adopt my proposal: pass legislation making usury illegalholy idealism batman. and what happens when the bourgoeoisie inevitably shoot down your attempts at reform? Are you going to "declare" a general strike on twitter?
how many bridges has iran blown up in retaliation so far?
>>2771311It is tired of winning
>>2771417>he thinks the bourgeoisie is a monolith and a synonym for “bad”NGMI
>>2771417it's a soft decapitation. It will result in a hybrid communism, without the need for all of this silly juvenile talk about revolutions and so on. Grow up.
>>2771405>Leave profit and rent alone, only usury is the problem, but don't worry we can defeat usury with reformist legislationare you serious
>>2771417once usury is illegal, the government will be the only money lenders and will effective decide what causes for the benefit of society will be funded. Even if it is just buying a house to raise a family. Of course, the usual capitalist shit still applies, if you default on repayments it gets taken off you.
>>2771405>usurywhy do chuds think that capitalism would be amazing if it wasnt for those pesky (((bankers)))? am i missing something?
>>2771422the rent trap is a result of money lending pushing house prices into retardation.
>>2771426yes usury, making money from people who don't have money. It's evil.
>>2771426So Marx, Engles, and indeed every AES state are “chuds”?
>>2771426they fail to understand that interest and rent are merely subdivisions of profit
>>2771431>Marx and thought capitalism would be amazing without bankerscitation?
>>2771426because theyre upper middle class children who dont face any adversity in their lives. capitalism is naturally good from their perspective
>>2771405Not every loan is going to be paid back on time or at all. In practice that moves risk pricing (and accumulation) into charging fees instead of interest, that's how Christian bankers got around usury prohibitions in the middle ages.
>>2771426>Don't criticize the rent-seekers. If you do you're a chud and should go back to polWhy is this board full of posters like this?
>>2771438it's not a charity, there would be penalties for not repaying loans. Being blacklisted for a start, much like how it is done now.
>>2771441because you dont understand basic economics. now go back to reddit where you can complain about the hecking evil billionaires and why we need to replace them with wholesome ones
>>2771442The shareholders for the bank would still expect to turn a profit on the loans.
>>2771434house prices used to be directly tied to salary, around 3x the average salary would be the average house price. Money lending has decoupled this relationship and it is to no-one's benefit but the money lenders.
>>2771435How about the fact that Marxism itself is the rationalization of capitalism via the practical application of Christianity and the oriental mode of production? Or do you think communism is “anti-capitalist” like some retarded leftoid?
>>2771338>not allow people to privately own anythingAnon… private property refers to the means of production. Factories, warehouses, mines, etc etc. No one cares about your toothbrush.
>>2771448NTA but seek treatment for schizophrenia ASAP
>>2771445>shareholdersthey can get to fuck anawl, that's basically money lending in reverse.
in fact all of this make believe money magic can fuck off with the money lending.
what happens if the gcc countries cave and remove the american bases? if iran lets them go through the strait they lose leverage
are those bases really important? what is the us currently using to attack iran, would those weapons become unavailable without the gulf bases? what's the iranian response once the us runs out of cruise missiles and starts bombing with gravity bombs and strategic bombers? has the us deployed b2s yet?
>>2771449what about your house?
>>2771424Ah yes, that impartial entity 'the state' which only has the general common interest in mind, once it's only the central bankers deciding things everything will sort itself out lol
As long as there are concentrations of private capital they will institutionally capture any state apparatus and ultimately run it for their benefit, it is the logic of capital accumulation. Like any of the halfway houses of pseudo-anticapitalism, it at most turns back the clock only for the same process to repeat, while requiring a level of political capital and organisation to implement with which you could just as well expropriate the lot and abolish private property altogether. The mere outlawing of interest is particularly ineffective, in that unlike say the jubilee of distributism it merely would make capitalism more dysfunctional and prone to crisis by removing one of its crutches.
23 minutes to midnight?
>>2771456>ultimately run it for their benefit,this is inescapable, but in my vision these people would be the government, so would be subject to public vote
happening threads are always so cancerous because they attract the lowest common demoninator
Nuclear strike soon Hmmm?
>>2771457they want Trump's bomb hole
>>2771453USSR had lots of privately-owned houses. As long as you're not a landlord hoarding the supply of housing there isn't an issue with owning a home. Though in some areas it's not feasible for everyone to have a big house with a white picket fence so there'll be a lot of resources put into public housing in urban areas e.g. apartment complexes.
>>2771424>once usury is illegal, the government will be the only money lendersand without revolution your government is still a bourgeois class dictatorship
>and will effective decide what causes for the benefit of society will be fundedunder a bourgeois class dictatorship
>. Even if it is just buying a house to raise a family. Of course, the usual capitalist shit still applies, if you default on repayments it gets taken off you.and this is your solution to capitalism? maintain bourgeois class dictatorship but pass bourgeois reforms to make usury illegal? this would never happen anyway because the bourgeoisie would oppose making usury illegal for obvious reasons (they benefit from it).
>>2771465yes and I'm sure that bred resentment in the cattle class, which is where the rot sets in.
>>2771448this statement will filter billions but i get what you are saying, but i also fear you are reactionary
>>2771466the bourgeois will always exist. The Donald Trumps of this world aren't going to magically disappear because everyone decided to share and share alike
>>2771460assuming you live in a western bourgeois democracy, they're subject to a public vote now. Any concentration of private capital will bribe by one means or another any candidate they can and exclude any they can't by purchasing the media and officials necessary to do so. Democracy is functionally incompatible with private capital.
>>2771471it didn't filter me but also it is an incredibly retarded way to say what communism is
tired of this bitch ass uygha and his deadlines
>>2771303How is this /pol/? He's ripping into liberals and chinlets.
>>2771466>and this is your solution to capitalism? well it's a much smaller step than killing the monarchy and going scorched Earth revolution. Maybe rework the idea instead of shooting it down
>>2771472stop pretending to be the realist when 3 seconds ago you were saying you could fix everything by passing reforms against usury (who will pass these reforms? why won't the bourgeoisie stop them or roll them back? why is profit and rent ok to you but not usury?) everything you say creates more questions than answers. you seem to be ragebaiting.
>>2771476tucker is sheepdog to get people back in to conservative cage the same way AOC and bernie are sheepdog to get people back into liberal cage. you're welcome.
>>2771478>you seem to be ragebaiting.no I genuinely see this as a more practical solution to the financial squeeze we are all put in, and the creative bottleneck that suppresses us.
>>2771468There's plenty of ways to make public housing work, to make it high quality. Just look at places like Vienna. Same thing applies to public transit. You just have to make sure it's universal and not means-tested. You have to design a society where the richest and the poorest all utilize public services.
Hell under capitalism if you look at high-demand cities like NYC you have tiny-ass apartments that are smaller than closets getting rented out for $2000+. The idea that public housing would be worse than that is ludicrous.
>>2771452A lot of those bases are already destroyed. The bases aren't important without petrodollar dominance and that's also been mostly destroyed. The better choice for the US would be to end it, pull out of the region and try diplomacy but they'll likely dig a deeper hole with carpet bombing civilians and causing a refugee crisis from an uninhabitable western Asia with most of them coming to the US and Europe.
>>2771477to make gradual changes in the first place you need to have a revolution first because the bourgeoisie shoots down any reform that challenges their system. that's why AES always does economic plans and sweeping reforms AFTER communists take power. the point isn't "never do reforms" the point is "you can't do reforms under a bourgeois class dictatorship because they control the terms on which everything is implemented and will deliberately sabotage or shoot down anything challenging them." that's why your plan "just get rid of usury bro" won't work. like imagine the actual legislative branch of a country like the USA. imagine someone writing the bill, putting it up for debate. that shit is going nowhere dude.
>>2771481ok but if you put legislation forward to get rid of usury under a bourgeois dicatorship it's not going to pass LOL
>>2771316
Retarded /pol/tard
>>2771485if you can incrementally make things worse, as they have been doing, then I am sure you can incrementally make them better. Even if that is just fostering a concept.
>>2771488why the fuck would a bourgeois dictatorship ever say yes to legislation to end usury? other than doing FDR style concessions that they intend to rol lback later.
>>2771486not with that attitude
the historical mission of classical political economy prior to marx was basically premised on the notion that at some point the bourgeois were going to get around to murdering the landed rentiers and thereby bring about a utopia where all revenue was compensation for the natural costs of doing business incurred by laborer and capitalist. a large part of marx's critique of political economy is to show why just getting rid of the rentier still leaves you with the insoluble contradiction between capital and labor. usury is just a specific form of rent, i.e. rent on money. capitalist society would be objectively better if rent were abolished. classical political economy failed to predict that the bourgeoisie would subsume the landed rentiers as well as generate historically novel forms of rent like copy right and modern income taxes.
>>2771439If you haven't figured out that MAGA was never for "no more wars" to begin with then I don't know what to tell you.
>>2771496The problem is that the capitalists doesn't care about improving society, they only care about profits, in a way you could make a parallel between utopian socialists and these utopian capitaliss that believe the system will get past renters, if anything society is moving towards a propertyless system where you rent everything.
>>2771497MAGA is the most jingoistic, blood thirsty, pro-war segment of the american people. Anyone who fell for the based isolationist paleocon gimmick (including many "communists") should kill themselves immediately.
Currently three C-17s and one A-400 are heading to MENA, and earlier today there was one
C-5, one C-17, two C-130s and one C-40.
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae1197,ae07db,43c5df,43c04e,896c2e,ae03de,33ffe2,ae1251,ae055f>>2771506
that's a good example of how the noose has been gradually tightened
>>2771503i would say i feel vindicated for calling out those people from the beginning, but none of it mattered. they still believe in their particular form of lesser evilism to this very day.
>>2771496>classical political economy failed to predict that the bourgeoisie would subsume the landed rentiers as well as generate historically novel forms of rent like copy right and modern income taxes.also software as a service. nobody buys software as a commodity on a disc anymore, they pay for the same thing over and over as rent (originally responded to the wrong anon)
Iran will cuck out and won't attack Yurop, which is already in range of their new mussiles
>>2771512Wow, it's almost like Varoufakis had a point.
>>2771203Thats a poll by former 2016 camapign maanager of Trumps. Its literal info laundering
>>2771448Lotta rabbis kvetching at this pretty basic Marxism
anyone noticed this channel is back?
https://t.me/s/Middle_East_Spectator>Susie Wiles, the White House chief of staff, sat at the far end of the table. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who doubled as the national security adviser, had taken his regular seat. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who generally sat together in such settings, were on one side; joining them was John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director. Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and Steve Witkoff, Mr. Trump’s special envoy, who had been negotiating with the Iranians, rounded out the main group.
>Mr. Netanyahu and his team outlined conditions they portrayed as pointing to near-certain victory: Iran’s ballistic missile program could be destroyed in a few weeks. The regime would be so weakened that it could not choke off the Strait of Hormuz, and the likelihood that Iran would land blows against U.S. interests in neighboring countries was assessed as minimal. Besides, Mossad’s intelligence indicated that street protests inside Iran would begin again and — with the impetus of the Israeli spy agency helping to foment riots and rebellion — an intense bombing campaign could foster the conditions for the Iranian opposition to overthrow the regime. The Israelis also raised the prospect of Iranian Kurdish fighters crossing the border from Iraq to open a ground front in the northwest, further stretching the regime’s forces and accelerating its collapse. Mr. Netanyahu delivered his presentation in a confident monotone. It seemed to land well with the most important person in the room, the American president.https://archive.ph/pffb3 >>2771448>Marxism itself is the rationalization of capitalism via the practical application of Christianity and the oriental mode of productionyou have tested negative for blood in your alcohol system
>>2771523Operation Epic Fuckup
>>2771523>constantly lies to continue the war>gets his own country blown upWhat's his end game?
Why do people think Trump is going to use nukes? He already said it's "Bridge and Power Plant Day" and they don't need nukes for that. Trump probably thinks Iran will collapse overnight from bombing the bridges alone lmao.
>>2771523more juicy bits
>When Mr. Trump joined the meeting, Mr. Ratcliffe briefed him on the assessment. The C.I.A. director used one word to describe the Israeli prime minister’s regime change scenarios: “farcical.”
>At that point, Mr. Rubio cut in. “In other words, it’s bullshit,” he said.
>Mr. Ratcliffe added that given the unpredictability of events in any conflict, regime change could happen, but it should not be considered an achievable objective. Several others jumped in, including Mr. Vance, just back from Azerbaijan, who also expressed strong skepticism about the prospect of regime change.
>The president then turned to General Caine. “General, what do you think?”
<General Caine replied: “Sir, this is, in my experience, standard operating procedure for the Israelis. They oversell, and their plans are not always well-developed. They know they need us, and that’s why they’re hard-selling.”
>Mr. Trump quickly weighed the assessment. Regime change, he said, would be “their problem.” It was unclear whether he was referring to the Israelis or the Iranian people. But the bottom line was that his decision on whether to go to war against Iran would not hinge on whether Parts 3 and 4 of Mr. Netanyahu’s presentation were achievable. >>2771530>Why do people think Trump is going to use nukeshe said that a civilization was going to end tonight
>>2771530>Trump probably thinksHahaha
>>2771448>rationalization of capitalism<via the practical application of Christianity and the oriental mode of productionliterally just making up shit to feel smart, the practical application of Christianity and the AMP would resemble prior feudal societies infinitely more, you're abusing terms for no reason like an Angloid, kys
>>2771536Destroying most major power plants in a country of tens of millions of people, even with conventional weapons, could fit that bill.
>>2771539not really, you've got all the heritage stuff as well, holy sites and so on
>>2771115to be precise, the 25th Amendment is enacted by the cabinet of the presidency. Congress could impeach him at any point.
>>2771517I remember it's working in Arab/Persian?
>>2771550You're reading into it wrong, it's an invite for China to act more aggressively in order to contain the USA.
and just like this, the US reduced global emissions while also maintaining control on world's fossil fuels
The losers are the world, with the arab petrostates as first losers and Iran secondly.
>>2771552>four fast food chains holy cholesterol diabetes
>>27715608 hours? Wasn't it supposed to be 50 minutes ago?
>>2771523He coped and hoped, and the president bought.
>>2771527I think he actually hates Jews. Didn't he sort of defend Hitler?
Iranians probably have missiles primed at Gulfie upstream oil facilities and desalination plants already. It's gonna be rapid chaos & happenings as soon as the first strike on Iranian energy infrastructure is confirmed.
>>2771552This has to be satire right???
>>2771572it's gonna get wild.
BREAKING: DONALD TRUMPS GENOCIDAL COMMENTS WERE THE LAST STRAW FOR THE DSA. THEY HAVE DECLARED A NATIONWIDE GENERAL STRIKE UNTIL THE WAR IN IRAN IS STOPPED AND TRUMP RENOUNCES THE PRESIDENCY.
just fucking kidding. you already know ha fuckin ha. they're not doing SHIT. they won't ever do SHIT
>>2771572they should just start going for it now, seeing as a preemptive strike is how the war started.
>>2771558No wonder they're so fat.
>>2771578*famine resistant
>>2771577No, they get to have positive PR relative to the Americans since it'd seem they had their hand forced into it.
The end result would be the same anyway. These facilities are very close and fragile.
>>2771576I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY
>>2771576Well you know to be fair neither are you
>>2771576The No Kings organizers called for a General Strike May 1st. Thought you should know since you keep posting this.
>>27715605 more hours to go 'till we find out if Trump is retarded enough.
>>2771593Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't this basically cause some starvation on the Bahrain islands? Like I thought I heard they pretty much get all their foodstuffs and water via trucks that have to drive across that bridge.
>>2771597Yes, very likely. Now what is your point?
>>2771598Just marveling at the scale of the escalation. If I were in Bahrain's government I'd be pleading to make a deal with the Iranians.
>>2771590>No Kingsgod you really have been one of the worst posters on this site since I've started using it. I'm glad we're two months away from getting nuked.
>>2771600The Sunni Bahraini government doesn't care about their Shia subjects. Their private planes have been spotted parked at LAX.
>>2771600Also this bridge was used by them to invite the Saudia army and their tanks that crushed the last uprising of Bahrainis against their government, so bombing this bridge might in fact spur actual regime change for once, lol.
>>2771599Now, I am not somone that is part of those 'nukes aren't real, lel' post-ironic pol posters but why does everyone think getting nuked will make Iran surrender immediately? This line of this thinking is based on the actions of Japan during WW2 but isn't the premise false in the first place since there is a lot of debate concerning the surrender and that at least left-adjacent historians always argue that is was due to the Soviet Manchurian campaign and not really because of the nukes itself, considering Japan suffered several urban firebombings with more victims than the nukes?
>>2771602>"Waaah! Waaah! The DSA isn't calling for a general strike!"<"Here's a group that's of a comparable or larger size calling for one.">"CRINGE! CRINGE! CRINGE!"I love the fact I annoy petulant little radlibs more obsessed with the image of radical politics rather than actually engaging with it. Its people not even involved in any leftist orgs making demands of others than whining that it doesn't look aesthetically pleasing enough for them to form a parasocial relationship with.
>>2771605Here's hoping the Shias in Bahrain rise up with the help of Iran.
>>2771593It's cool of them to warn the people and try to limit casualties. Diaper Rump and his cult have no regard for life, as the carpet bombing casualties will show.
>>2771609One or two nukes won't destroy Iran but it opens the door for further use of nukes and after that, MAD becomes inevitable.
>>2771610It's the literal end of the world and people would still rather get mad at each other for doing the "wrong" praxis
We are way past the strike stage at the moment, so I don't see the point of arguing about it
>>2771612iran could blow up all the oil tankers
>>2771609Again with this shit, they won't surrender but many civilians will die and next time there is a shitty war there is no nuclear taboo.
Nukes are genocidal weapons
the arrogance of USAnians. more concerned with defending the honor of whatever USA institutin they are identified with rather than the holocausts carried out in their name
>>2771590>muh no kingsIf the world’s most obvious color revolution is jumping on board the “strike” bandwagon then it should be apparent to even the dimmest of people that strikes in the 21st century are the purview of the petite-bourgeoisie and labor aristocracy, completely disconnected with the proletariat and the anti imperialist struggle
>>2771625Is the implication that the rescue didn't happen and the US lied about it or am I dumb
>>2771624>Color revolution >In the U$ANewest theoretical development by leftypol's greatest minds.
>>2771627It makes perfect sense. The bourgeoisie and proletariat in America experience no class struggle because they are the same treatlerite-epstein class, so the only way something can happen in the USA is via color revolution.
>>2771626Yes, the implication is that there was no such thing as a rescue mission or even a stranded pilot in the first place but that this was a bodged commando mission likely aimed at infiltrating Iran's nuclear base and stealing their nuclear stockpile or targeting some other high-value target.
>China and Russia on Tuesday vetoed a U.N. resolution encouraging states to coordinate efforts to protect commercial shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, calling the measure biased against Iran, while Washington's ambassador to the world body called on "responsible nations" to join the U.S. in securing the waterway.
>The 15-member Security Council voted 11 in favor of the resolution presented by Bahrain, with two against - China and Russia - and two abstentions.
They abstained last time, well at least that's something
>>2771613I mean if Trump escalates to Nukes, which I'm not discounting, it'd be a horrifying escalation. Retards demanding the DSA call for a general strike that they themselves know probably wouldn't pan out (on account of how atomized the USA is and how relatively marginal the DSA is) and then bitching that cringe libs are making "le general strike look uncool" or whatever is just nakedly pathetic.
>>2771624>No Kings>Color RevolutionI'm genuinely convinced you just use words you don't understand as a kind of in-group signal. The group that gets lambasted as ineffective and impotent constantly is now a "color revolution"? Against who? The United States?
>>2771626that's what those in the business of lying call a 'loose end'
>>2771552Gulf Arabs are the litteral embodiment of the Amerimutt memes, moreso than the low class whites/latinos it made fun of
>>2771627>Newest theoretical development by leftypol's greatest minds.Absolutely not? This is actual old theory. Imperial blowback of a decaying empire isn't really a new concept. You can't have the architecs of right-wing dictatorships abroad in your own borders without them plotting to take over your state at one point, like it happened with France and the coup of the generals for example.
>>2771630Quick, who abstained and what did France do?
>>2771636ah yeah, forgot about this one
>>2771635France in favor, Colombia and Pakistan abstained
>>2771634>>2771636Yeah but this was a big capital and MIC plot to overthrow broadly succdem governments. Why exactly would No Kings be a porky plot? They're all very happy with Trump and the rest of the zio-evangeliKKKal reaction.
>>2771640>ColombiaBased Petro.
>>2771643Liberal-(Zionist)s hate Trump for fucking up their empire. I mean, fucking China is shipping oil to the Philippines now.
>>2771643>No kings is a feckless protest, lol frog costumes, lol libs dancing>Its now a color revolution, this is imperial blowback to create a right wing dictatorship>Even though Trump is basically doing everything a hard-right dictatorship would do>But its going to overthrow the U.S. government>But its also impotent and weak!This is like when "psyops" as a term broke into the mainstream and suddenly pics of crying kids being deported by ICE were "an obvious psyop"
>>2771648Anti-Lib leftists are very tedious and increasingly unserious people
>>2771643the bourgeoisie are not all of one mind. There are multiple ideological factions among the bourgeoisie and more to the point, there are multiple industries which comprise the wealth of various individual members of the bourgeoisie.
Tucker is already pre-positioning himself as the le based Republican faux anti-zionist alternative to Trumpists and Republican Israeli firsters and dems are ready do double down on zionism and freezing out the progressives.
>>2771652>Anti-Lib leftistsnew tankie-thirdworldist-campist-authoritarian-stalinist-commie just dropped
>>2771648I don't understand this board sometimes. I'm not convinced most people did the reading and I think most Leftypoler don't have jobs so they just be saying shit because the board isn't moving fast enough to provide a dopamine hit. Tbh, I shouldn't even be having this shpeal as this is a thread about /Iran/ and not how Leftypolers shit up their own board. There's like 4 posters on this bread in good faith giving us updates and the rest arguing over some stupid shit that's not Iran related. You can smell the crackerness in their text posts
>>2771590I mean, this is cool and long overdue, but the strike should have happened today. Your gas prices go up in a heavily car dependent country, your schizo government seems to be intent on nuking Iran for no rational reason in a few hours, and you just watch the show after giving us years of radicalism lessons on the internet, repeating to us the "under no circumstances guns should be surrendered" quote, while countries with barely any guns like Italy actually protest against Israel more fiercefully than you will ever do in your life.
Everyone in the world is pissed off at Trump right now, and I've met plenty of nice Americans in my life, but if you keep doing nothing and waiting for the next protest next month, Americans abroad will suffer the wrath of people who are tired of your shit, and I won't cry if some die in the process.
>>2771657It would've taken a long time.
>>2771654People that coined and say the word "libtard" see you as a more extreme and annoying and dangerous version of wathever you think a "libtard" is and would like to exterminate you for wrongthink.
>>2771657he would have gotten it immediately. USAnians love this shit. they want this shit.
>>2771631It’s more the fact that No Kings was blatantly funded by liberal think tanks and PMC leftoids who were furious that the Trump administration was taking actual steps to dismantle imperialism. Their only objection to the genocide in Iran is that it’s not being done the “right” way, in conjunction with ethnic cleaning of Russians and Han Chinese. For God’s sake they’re literally sponsored by Act Blue
Israel desalination plant status?
>>2771663>wathever you think a "libtard" is they are the people that started a jewish/white supremacist genocide in the middle east and exterminated communists around the world during the last century
TACO status?
>>2771664I was referring to the congressmen and senators, not citizens, but they would mostly have voted for it.
4 HOURS
>>2771672the war is spreading
>>2771672Trumps going to somehow retroactively lose the first gulf war
>>27716744 hours, 27 minutes and 2 weeks until annihilation
>>2771673
>US nuclear doctrine is
Do you know Trump knows the meaning of the word doctrine? Also do who of the 20 generals he just fired do you think told him this?
>>2771673
that doesn't many anything when a retards at the wheel
>>2771663Cool story, but I don’t particularly care for it due to it’s unrelatedness. “Anti-lib leftists”? Really?
Doomsday clock is only 85 seconds 'till midnight.
Am I delusional for thinking Iran's mountain facilities are about to be nuked, and all electrical infrastructure glassed? I do not have TDS but for this moment I am beholden
>>2771597they would just use boats, it would just be more expensive
shoulda had nukes. now the USA is about to use nukes without triggering MAD
>>2771597water come from desalination plant not trucks
>>2771689If they do it Iran will make the Gulf countries unlivable by destroying power and desalination plants. Tens of millions would die. Iran has very faithfully carried through their tit for tat threats specifically for this reason. They don't need nuclear weapons to ensure mutually assured destruction.
>>2771693Yeah but nobody actually cares about the Arab countries, Israel only wants this to happen.
>>2771693yes they do. everyone does. you need to threaten the USA or none of this stops.
>>2771673
Retard
I think they won't use nukes, at least just not yet.
They know everyone is expecting nukes, they know everyone is talking about it, the U.S imperialists never love to be predictable, it ruins their ego.
>>2771700Iran was never going to be able to nuke the continental US
>>2771706no. because iran refused to get nukes.
>>2771687even a nuke wouldnt dent their mountain facilities, it would be retarded
>>2771679Yeah, but at least the Kuwaiti incubator babies were spared.
Why doesn’t America deploy its BBC Rangers to seduce the ayatollah and his harem?
iran gonna nook back
>>2771709I know what an intercontinental ballistic missile is moron, I'm saying there's no indication that Iran has the capability to strike the United States with one or that they've even been working towards being able to
BBC rangers can capture Iran’s nuclear stockpile
>>2771706fuck I've only ever listened to the chorus of the song before, I didn't realize it was about nukes
>>2771609>>2771599Iran will bomb every desalination plant in the middle-east if that happens and will make sure they stay irreparable. Israel and most of the GCC rely on desalination plants for more than 80% of their drinking water. If Iran gets nuked the Zionists and Khaleejis all die of thirst. That is if Iran doesn't already have a nuke, in which case it won't take them long to retaliate and wipe Israel off the map.
To me, Dump's latest threat seems like a stunt meant to goad Amerifat politicians, officials and bureaucrats into rebellion, which he can then use as an excuse to implement emergency powers, as I've already mentioned in a previous post. But still, all this is speculation and I could be proven extremely wrong.
>>2771717The BBC Squadron is currently stationed in Japan, they won't be able to get every woman on the islands pregnant and get to Iran in time.
>>2771672Hope KuWEIGHTis get what they deserve very soon.
>>2771728I fucking hate Kuwait, bullshit ministry let my former employer steal like 4k USD from me. Fuck that underdeveloped shithole (the women are kind of hot though and very flirty)
>>2771720>>2771722you said Iran was never going to be able to nuke the continental USA as if ICBMs didn't exist or as if they were incapable of developing an ICBM or nuclear warheads. you moved on from that to "well they don't have ICBMS
now"
you shifty slimy weasel
>>2771672>Persian Gulf War 3These writers are getting lazy.
>>2771731didn't iran send a satelite to space in the past ?, that is a prerequisite to ICBMS.
>>2771736so what doesn't guarantee that they already have ICBM delivery systems ?.
>>2771738I think those were hit during one of the bombing campaigns since they were stationary targets.
>>2771743Iran has a trillion dwarf fortresess, if you can hide a missile you can hide a bigger missile.
>>2771714>>2771737Calling BS tbh, expecting the Israelis to halt bombing for two weeks is like asking water to not be wet
>>2771731I said "was never" not "is never," meaning before the start of the war.
>>2771744I guess, but it's going to be difficult to transport with rails and bridges getting hit.
>>2771714>2 more weeks>1 more paycheck cycleproof contractors are milking it
>>2771726Now don't get me wrong. I'm not saying nukes are completely off the table. I believe it's an acceptable outcome for America to destroy the entirety of the middle-east, including Israel, in exchange for maintaining their hegemony over the world. Contrary to what some people believe, Israel is still a proxy of America, and America will scapegoat them and throw them under the bus if need be. But I think Trump would rather use his cultish retard followers to fleece Amerifats one last time by extending his rule longer than his term limit by enacting emergency powers. I think he's too much of a conman to let this opportunity go. Besides, he might face impeachment and possible jail time if he lets go.
>>2771748opening the strait is literally removing the leverage Iran is wielding against the West and would directly undermine their efforts at deterrence, making it a non-starter
>>2771755I'm not so sure diaper dump even understands what the word civilization means.
>>2771755Reddit mods are hinged, like in the last 3 months they have been deleting posts from actual astronauts posting their fotos from space and deleted other stuff from high-profile original posters.
>>2771763They have always been bootlickers, though it is quite interesting to see them go into overdrive
>>2771763Yeah well I've only been saying for 30 years moderators are genuine fucking terrorists
Fuck the American government. It's their problem now
fair play
>Iranians form human chains at bridges and power plantshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c4g5j33p6vnoNot even the US could withstand using a nuke
>>2771755The Reddit Reich
>>2771628>class struggle has been abolished in america, bezos and the homeless guy on skid row have the same class intereststhe people were ASTONISHED at his doctrine
>>2771772That movie was so Kino, I’ve only seen the English dub and expect for Captain Smollett it is a great disservice to the original
>>2771771But we did, twice
>>2771731nta. they could smuggle one in or use subs never said they were incapable
besides theyre just gonna bomb israel london or rammstein
If Putin and China doesn't say that in the event of nukes their nuclear arsenal is Iran's they are cucked.
Now is the time.
>>2771657Honestly I don't think it would've worked. I assume there's enough Republicans who would've understood the perils of a war with Iran. Dems I think would mostly vote no to save their own reputation, but you'd probably have someone like Fetterman prominently vote in favor of war with Iran.
>>2771659>I mean, this is cool and long overdue, but the strike should have happened today.I feel you on that.
>Your gas prices go up in a heavily car dependent country, your schizo government seems to be intent on nuking Iran for no rational reason in a few hours, and you just watch the show after giving us years of radicalism lessons on the internet, repeating to us the "under no circumstances guns should be surrendered" quote, while countries with barely any guns like Italy actually protest against Israel more fiercefully than you will ever do in your life.I think the "you" part kind of obscures the situation on the ground here. America isn't a monolith, and like I've said repeatedly: its a heavily atomized and alienated culture. People will wonder why there aren't strong union movements out here when companies will just instantly shut down an even successful business if it unionizes. You'll get these stories of American executives going to work in Europe and they end up baffled and frustrated by the protections European workers have. Italian dock workers go on strike, and God bless 'em for it, but ask how many Americans even know a dock worker. Personally I know zero. So I can drive down to the L.A. docks and give a big speech demanding they go on strike to stop sending arms to Israel, and I'd just be a stranger yelling toward them from behind a fence. Soon as I'm out of sight they don't have to think about me. If by some miracle I convince a majority of them to go on strike? They'll be replaced in probably less than a week.
Those are the circumstances on the ground here. You can say: do something, do something, and while I sympathize, I can't conjure an army. Yeah, I've got a gun, though most people part of the broader American Left don't. Should I just walk into city hall, wave it around, and say "I hereby declare the Los Angeles Commune"?
That's what we're working with here: we're in a totally atomized and alienated society. I don't know how Euros do it, but you can call a general strike as many times as you want and most people here wont even be aware of it.
>>2771750they had 5 years to do so, they probably have them stocked.
>the taco king is REALLY serious about his vague threats THIS time guys!! WOWEE I sure am scared!
ISHGYDDT (unless the feds are paying you)
>>2771777honestly its not that they have the same interested.
is just that the US worker class is so brainwashed, so cucked and so submissive to the bourgeois that their oppinion even when divergent from the bourg doesn't matter, they have nil power to do anything other than cope, just look how many diverge the absolute dementia of trump to just vote dems, like it would be any diference.
>>2771785As alleged leaders of the anti imperialism sphere yeah they do have some responsibility to stop bad shit from happening
>>2771788They've already got nuclear armed B-52s on their way to Iran, it's ogre bucko
>>2771790Name one fucking people in the world who isn't brainwashed and cucked to the bourgeoisie.
AmeriKKKan exceptionalism is one hell of a drug.
baker?
>>2771793oh god oh fuck source
>>2771793Source or you are a faggot
>>2771785Letting a country use nukes against a country that doesn't have them is an extremely bad precedent.
>>2771673
another leftcom banger, did you get this one from chatgpt?
>>2771784Just adding on to this to say I really do wish more people overseas demanding Americans do something had an opportunity to live and work in the United States for a year or so.
Maybe we're missing some obvious organizational principles, I don't know, but I think they'll find circumstances aren't as cut and dry as they're made out to be.
Bidens war
>>2771795not many nations are as buckbroken as americans my boy, the systematic repression against socialism and any actual anti-system politics SHOULD be even propaganda points, but the actual left is so broken that they can't even use that to break liberal narratives.
Just adding on to this to say I really do wish more people overseas demanding Germans do something had an opportunity to live and work in the Deutsches Reich for a year or so.
Maybe we're missing some obvious organizational principles, I don't know, but I think they'll find circumstances aren't as cut and dry as they're made out to be.
>>2771791Too bad they aren't actually the leaders of the anti-imperialist sphere.
the fragile USA exceptionalism psyche of USAnians is offended when they stumble into international spaces and find out people hate them and do not hold them to the pathetic low standards that they hold themselves to
>>2771808kill yourself, retard
>>2771809anti-imperialism doesn't exist in modernity.
>>2771806that's just how big this TACO is about to be
>>2771811USA is the modern Nazi Germany. The #1 threat to humanity on earth.
>>2771763Is it any surprise when Ghislaine Maxwell was supermoderator?
>>2771156According to MTW we should
>>2771807>The rest of the world isn't as buckbroken as burgersIf this were true then most of the world would be communist by now or at least have active Marxist organization going on yet 95% of the world is a neoliberal shithole and the most "radical" elements are succdems at best
>>2771773Coomala would be invading China rn. We need trump to alienate the Western libs with $5/Gal gas first.
>>2771821>If this were true then most of the world would be communist cmon, there is levels to this shit, i didn't say the aren't buckbroken, but nowhere near as much as americans.
>>2771824so fucking true bro
Reminder "we're just poor NPC's" doesn't work on me. I do not sympathize or feel solidarity with NPCs.
>>2771842>>2771836>>2771829The Americans hate each other
>>2771341He’s not though, democrats suck and are Zionist own but they’ve been far less in Israel’s ass. Obama did the Iran deal, he told bibi to fuck off a couple times. The democrats were first to come out against Gaza genocide(granted they allowed it to happen under Biden) but still. There’s zero republican officials against Israel. The right wings pundit class is just now starting to turn on Israel.
>>2771319
>the left is responsible for the war in iran because theyre not doing enough to stop the right (who started the war in the first place)Lmao that’s what U.S is trying to say about china
>>2771009 All the right wing does is fuck shit up to the point it starts hurting them. Then it’s the lefts fault that we didn’t stop them. So sounds like they yearn for the gulags.
>>2771845>gulagsThe wall you mean. Forced labor is both inefficient and for the liberal.
>>2771844Perhaps all must fuck off back to usapol. But it truly is a question worth asking, how close americans are inventing their own anti-japaneism. Nippon really was decades ahead. And now america has caught up ready to have its own.
>>2771800you're not wrong but it's still insane to think that any country would willingly raise the stakes to global nuclear apocalypse with an administration like this that is insane enough to actually push the button. I don't think Russia and China getting involved would even be a deterrence for these people.
>>2771448>oriental mode of production<rationalizing the capitalist imperialist colonial gaze that views differences in culture as reified objective reality of "Oriental modes"the concept of a feudal mode of production is controversial among Marxists
>>2771696are they going to shoot all the gulf refugees too ? or send them to turkey ?
>>2771853It is not, it’s simply not as dwelled on as much
>>2771845Democrats aren't some chickenshit outfit, they are in the top 3 most powerful political parties in the world, if they are not doing a coup on Trump is because they are ok with what he is doing
>The democrats were first to come out against Gaza genocide(granted they allowed it to happen under Biden) but stillBut still what? They said some words? Who gives a shit, they started the genocide, you said it yourself lol
>Obama did the Iran dealthat deal was comtemplated into the overall strategy against Iran, this war is a bipartisan thing that has been on the works for a long time, as its always the case with US foreign policy
>>2771848incorrect, Forced labour is based and extremely efficient IF the correct groupings get send in, Liberals and Conservatives are in all maner useless in every way except forced labour.
>>2771865>Forced labour is based and extremely efficient IF the correct groupings get send inThe confederates would have agreed with you
>>2771851>validating madman theoryHere's the thing - if you act like a rabid animal, people will treat you like a rabid animal.
>I think they'll find circumstances aren't as cut and dry as they're made out to be.
insane thing to post amidst a possible nuclear attack. if this is the sort of shit that comes up to you at this moment, maybe don't say anything at all. no one was counting on you anyway.
>>2771876>people will treat you like a rabid animalburn it with fire?
>>2771879Guys, it's complicated. Guys. It's. Complicated.
If I somehow survive nuclear war, I will hunt the rest of the surviving Americans.
akshually
its ummm
NUANCED.
>>2771803>I really do wish more people overseas demanding Americans do something had an opportunity to live and work in the United States for a year or so.its american leftoids that would benefit from going to either europe or latam and learning from leftists there
>Maybe we're missing some obvious organizational principlesits obviously this, just compare american anarkiddies to the ones of literally anywhere else, they get brutally mogged
>>2771876I am aware of madman theory and that this has been Trump's strategy, but if you look at everything this regime has done over the past year it doesn't exactly paint a picture of a sane and competent administration that isn't willing to suicidally annihilate itself so long as it can drag a few victims down with it. I don't think there's any solution to a problem of this magnitude short of the entire world rallying together out of a common recognition that the US is a threat to all life on earth and not just a threat to its official rivals.
even if you, or I, don't believe the US is capable of starting a nuclear holocaust it's a lot easier to say this when you're some nobody and not like the entire Chinese Politburo.
>>2771896I bet the native americans thought there was no chance they would be genocided either
>>2771891Anarchists are a joke everywhere except for maybe Greece. And that's big maybe cuz if they were effective fighters the fucking 12 hour work day wouldn't have been written into Greek law.
>>2771893holy shit Bloody Fist posted. patrician taste
>>2771896- US carried out decapitation strikes on Iran without declaration or warning.
- They used nuclear weapons.
If I'm on America's shit list, I am paying attention, I am getting a nuke, and lobbying it them
first.
BREAKING: There is a high likelihood that a ceasefire that would include Lebanon will be announced within the hour, Lebanese political sources told MTV Lebanon.
Looks like it's TACO Tuesdays boys. Pack it up, no nukes today sorry.
a nuke just flew over washington
>>2771908SOURCE IF TRUEi mean big
>>2771820If the war stops tomorrow USanos are not comi>>2771915
total nuKKKlear HHolocauSSt upon di$$united $$nake$$ of ameriKKKa
>>2771925this wouldn't be a TACO, it would be taken as a victory for the trump admin
>>2771925the ceasefire includes opening the strait of Hormuz which is a nonstarter, I need everyone ITT to be less retarded please
>>2771898 Read Pekka Hamalainen. For many Indigenous states in the 1600s and even 1700s, the prospect of genocide seemed laughable. What brough them down, first and foremost was infighting and greed.
>>2771599>>2771925>"We're going to use tools in our toolbox we have never used: talking to Pakistanis!"Can't believe I fell for this shit too. NEHposters win once again.
>I WILL BAKE
>>2771930Specifically, the book 2 read is "Indigenous Continent"
SOMEONE BEAT ME TO IT.
THANK YOU
>>2771921>>2771925Seems like Trump is trying to give himself an off-ramp, but a ceasefire actually requires both sides to agree to it and frankly I don’t know why Iran would.
God willing we end this nightmare but I think that would require something Trump ain’t willing to concede.
>>2771928The point is that no ceasefire is being negotiated and this is just another round of lying to manipulate the market.
>>2771666imaging really believing that trump was
le hecking anti-imperialist person.
you can't expect bourgeoisie capitalists like him, that many times twisted the state (state and federal) law to his favor, to be anti-imperialist.
in fact, they will all do their version of imperialism.
>>2771925Unless Iran agrees I don't see how this is different from all the ceasefire deals before
>>2771863>that deal was comtemplated into the overall strategy against IranNTA but that doesn't make any sense - why would they make a peace deal (that was working perfectly) if they planned to invade? Are you saying Obama planned for a future president to rip up the deal and then attack? That's absurd.
American hegemony isn't a monolith, there are competing internal factions who have different strategies and goals.
>this war is a bipartisan thing that has been on the works for a long timeJust because some warhawks wanted it to happen didn't make it a guaranteed thing. Why did it take until Trump to make it happen? Why didn't Reagan or Bush Sr or Clinton or Bush Jr or Obama or Biden do it? And if it was being planned for so long then why has it been a complete disaster?
This war wasn't some grand decades-long machination. There was basically no thought put into it at all. Trump was pushed into it by Israel. Israel has been growing its influence over the past 50 years and now it effectively controls the US government.
>>2771853>>2771857based on the context i think anon meant to say
>the concept of an oriental mode of production is controversial among Marxistswhich it is
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