/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2828852
>rich kids (whose money was not theirs) were nice to me therefore all rich people are nice
moron

>>2828888
UMMM ummm um ummmmm umm I WATCHED A JACKIE CHAN FILM LIKE A YEAR AGO. PLEASE ACCEPT ME.

>>2828888
>what was the last Chinese cultural product you consumed even?
Labubu

>>2828888
>What was the last Chinese cultural product you consumed even?
I imported a BYD electric car by paying off some local politicians to bypass the import quota.

>>2828834
very hard to get permanent residency without investing or marrying a Chinese lady. best to work there and retire in your home country

9.2.2 - Manufacturing employment as a proportion of total employment - 13th ICLS (%) - SL_TLF_MANF
US in 89th place
China in 1st place

>>2828888
>Chinese cultural product
burgers use chinese cultural products every time they celebrate their independence: fireworks

>>2828852
> I lucked out and became friends with some astronomically wealthy kids and they were always the kindest of my friends to me. When I entered the job market and met more of my fellow poors they were lumpen scum who would do insane shit.
people who struggle and are deprived of needs end up mentally ill and stressed out and not very friendly? people who dont have to struggle end up with a monopoly on the brain's happy chemicals? WOW TELL ME MORE

Very cool lady. I like that she gets them to sing old Maoist songs.

>>2825428
Fine, I'll play your disingenuous little game. Let's just say I were a Chinese normie. Why should I support Actual Socialism over Socialism with Chinese Characteristics? What does it have to offer? At least the CPC, say what you will of it, has real, material accomplishments for the average person. Why would I want to trade a functioning society for sloganeering about "revisionism" or LARPing the Cultural Revolution, as though that was some kind of golden age?

>>2828888
>what was the last Chinese cultural product you consumed even?
I play arknights like every other day and I use the Chinese voice actors not the English dub. So yeah

>>2828850
>They’re full
They really aren't

>>2828057
>Police robots, surveilliance drones, cameras and AI face recognition everywhere
I remember a China booster explaining that China's surveillance state was good and progressive because it enables us to regulate human society better (that's what progressivism means) and that Chinese intellectuals agree with Larry Ellison that people behave better when they're being watched. At some point, he claimed, this system will be so obviously superior that Western liberals will be unable to make a case for their libertarian pro-crime policies. MAGA would love this to be sure.

>Drone delivers food in a park
Treatler.

>Robot delivers hotel breakfast
Treatler.

>Giant financial skyscraper
Moloch.

>Self driving car
No wonder they love Musk.

>Automated street cleaning, baristas
MAGA would love this so they never have to see Mexicans and purple hairs.

>Paying with palm
Don't show this to MAGA they'll cry 666.

>Electric cars and buses
Not enough lithium to do this for every car in the world, although I heard something about a more common replacement material like sodium, not sure if that's really gonna happen or if it's vaporware. Quiet cities are nice, noise pollution is a curse.

>Room full of nerds using "AI assistants" and staring at their laptop
Bleak.

>Green spaces
Bare minimum to stop you from wanting to off yourself (USA would never).

>You can play basketball at work
Where's the foosball and pizza parties.

>3D printing plastic parts
Thanks I need more plastic in my life.

>Fancy vegan restaurant with tasty food
Treatler.

>Black PR lady says the city is very competitive
>Rent is 2,000-4,000 dollars per month
So this is the power of the real movement. I wonder who they pay the money to.

>Luxurious spa
Holy treatler.

>>2829340
>Drone delivers food in a park
>Robot delivers hotel breakfast
>Self driving car
>Automated street cleaning, baristas
normal and desirable technological progress to reduce need for shitty jobs and free humanity, all great

>Electric cars and buses
and crazy good metro system, all this is awesome and needed to avoid (or at least limit) climate catastrophe

>Green spaces
<Bare minimum
the city look crazy green, again this is great

>3D printing plastic parts
awesome shit for self repair and various creative endeavor

>Fancy vegan restaurant with tasty food
nice, I love good food and usually like chinese food

>Rent is
reminder home ownership is 90%

Most Chinese think their country is headed in the right direction. Why can't they understand that they're just the same as America, and need me a true Western Communist, to save them from their bourgeoisie?

>>2829392
I was somewhat memeing about the treatler thing. Actually I'm not sure if real treatlerites would be satisfied with robot deliveries. Part of the fun is feeling like an aristocrat bossing around real people.

>>2829451
And beating up servants and black children

>>2829059
Well, it's pretty simple. The same reasons why you'd support socialism over capitalism in general. Refer to Capital: A Critique of Political Economy to learn more.

>>2829447
Holy kek I thought you photoshopped this but IT'S ACTUALLY REAL the Westoids did mass polling and found those results themselves HAHAHAHAHAHA
BASED LUKASHENKO

>>2829447
>>2829594
Luka stays winning

>>2829447
>Syria heading in the right direction
Was it during or after Assad?

>>2829641
After Assad. The data is from the 2026 Democracy Perception Index. Syria is very very very lightly shaded though, so it's close to a 50/50 neutral split. I'd say that's a pretty accurate result given how the civil war ground on for more than a decade. It's also possible the pollsters manipulated results but I don't think so because if they wanted to manipulate it they would shade Syria much darker green to signify greater happiness.

>>2829574
>Well, it's pretty simple. The same reasons why you'd support socialism over capitalism in general. Refer to Capital: A Critique of Political Economy to learn more.
What would this do for this hypothetical me? It honestly comes off as "Read the Bible and you'll become a Christian." Am I supposed to realize that the "CCP" are actually Not Real Socialists and report to the nearest CIA safe-house to join ISIS and the Gray Wolves to "free East Turkestan" from the horrors of secularism and development? IIRC, they have Marxism classes in Chinese schools, so I would have been more likely to have actually read Capital than Westoids that get their politics from petit-bougeois streamers and podcasters. What if I conclude that Marx would indeed have approved of the contemporary PRC?
>>2829594
>>2829622
NGL, its easy to see why. He's just a likeable guy. Even I like him even though he wouldn't like me.
>>2829679
>It's also possible the pollsters manipulated results but I don't think so because if they wanted to manipulate it they would shade Syria much darker green to signify greater happiness.
If it were manipulated, all of the NATO countries would be various shades of green.

>>2829447
>Why can't they understand that they're just the same as America, and need me a true Western Communist, to save them from their bourgeoisie?
It's obviously because they lack class consciousness

>>2830275
No you see, socialism is when word salad and all NGOs agree that you are a good boy.

>>2829443
>There is no such thing as socialism and communism with poverty. The ideal of Marxists is to realize communism. According to Marx, communist society is a society in which the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs is applied. What is the principle of to each according to his needs? How can we apply this principle without highly developed productive forces and vast material wealth? According to Marxism, communist society is a society in which there is overwhelming material abundance.
This is so patently true, and one of the key areas where 20th century marxism-leninism failed. If the centralized state control over the economy failed to increase the productivity of labor, by mismanaging economies of scale so much that the removal of the parasitic classes didn't offset the mismanagement. Then it was the wrong way to build productive forces, and a wrong way to work towards ownership of means of production.
Nowadays there are faint glimpses of what happens when there is an abundance of means of production and unimaginable productive forces, but exclusively in the cyberspace. How FOSS works is deeply fascinating as a case study of how common ownership can outpace capitalist systems of production, Stalinism/Maoism is a case study of how it can fail to do so.

>>2830432
>centralized state control over the economy failed to increase the productivity of labor
it mostly didnt, on the contrary planned economies grew incredibly fast at times, and created the bedrock of development for later models.

>Stalinism/Maoism is a case study of how it can fail
both had incredible growth, the soviet stagnation happened later after destalinization, and china problems were stemming more from the sino soviet split and needing another source of capital investment (which they eventually got from the west)

>>2830478
>it mostly didnt, on the contrary planned economies grew incredibly fast at times, and created the bedrock of development for later models.
Fair point. I can't tell if competent statism could have yielded such an explosive jump, it was historical. I think other Asian nations attempted something similar but I don't know enough to speak on that.

>>2830275
>What would this do for this hypothetical me? It honestly comes off as "Read the Bible and you'll become a Christian."
It might make you more precise in the use of the term socialism and so on, or make you disagree with Marxism in general which is fine. The problem with improper use of Marxist terminology, claims of overcoming Marxism, or claims of having discovered a secret third way between capitalism and socialism (SwCC, corporatism, social liberalism) muddle the waters of discussion and are in practice variants of capitalism at different stages of development or using different coping mechanisms for dealing with its social fallout. It is especially stupid for Marxists in the West to be uncritical of past and present forms of "socialism" given that most of the nations representing these strains of state socialism are at a completely different place in their development compared to their home countries, while they make claims like "i dont care about their ideology or le marx it just works" and clearly want to copy these models which would probably fail in their countries, nevermind whether these models are actually socialist in nature.

>Am I supposed to realize that the "CCP" are actually Not Real Socialists and report to the nearest CIA safe-house to join ISIS and the Gray Wolves to "free East Turkestan" from the horrors of secularism and development?
No

>IIRC, they have Marxism classes in Chinese schools, so I would have been more likely to have actually read Capital than Westoids that get their politics from petit-bougeois streamers and podcasters.
It's entirely possible. A lot of Chinese Marxists don't think China is socialist in turn. It's the liberal faction of the CPC and Chinese society that thinks socialism is possible with markets and based on results. And the CPC often admits that China is capitalist or tries to obfuscate the matter with stageist charts. The rationale cited for it is often either necessity for economic growth or international trade. Nevertheless, to say that China is socialist would be like saying a more competent and comparatively lucky version of UK Labour is socialist.

>What if I conclude that Marx would indeed have approved of the contemporary PRC?
I would conclude you are making a major stretch given his criticism for most of the socialist(ic) movements surrounding him specifically for their redistributivism, statism, and insufficient focus on class as the driving factor of social change as opposed to the state

>>2830538
>Nevertheless, to say that China is socialist would be like saying a more competent and comparatively lucky version of UK Labour is socialist.
this is an absolutely crazy retarded take

>>2831016
It's not today

>>2830538
>Nevertheless, to say that China is socialist would be like saying a more competent and comparatively lucky version of UK Labour is socialist
did you just blow in from stupid town

>>2831016
>>2831436
He’s right that the CPC is essentially a social democratic party in practice, he’s wrong thinking it’s an ideological or discreet policy issue. China’s governing model is as far as you can possibly take socialism in a world of capitalist hegemony. The critique of any Leninist state on the world stage is the same as the critique of the worker co op on a local or national level.

>>2831451
Thank god they are actively remodeling the world of capitalist hegemony then. I can't wait to see what they do in 20 years.

>>2831517
I think with the pace of change right now we’re gonna see if this whole Deng Xiaoping mixed economy gamble can transform into the early socialism of CoGP. The Party itself appears to be the main terrain of class struggle and its up to the CPC left to win that fight.

>>2831451
> The critique of any Leninist state on the world stage is the same as the critique of the worker co op on a local or national level.
finally someone with a fucking brain

>>2831451
Social democratic parties are pro-capitalist, anti-worker. In essense, social-democratic parties CANNOT SEE ANYBODY BUT BOURGEOISIE as the rulers of a country. Mensheviks (Trotksy at the time as well!) supposed that socialism is arrived at through capitalism with CAPITALISTS AS THE RULERS, so their approach to a Revolution was to bring workers to rebel against the Czar and then immediately ask bourgeoisie - including thier bourgeois parties! - to seize control of the state. And it wasn't abstract, it was direct calls with direct words, most often - they defended parliament against the Soveits, even though they had more seats in Soviets and they were a ridiculously small minority in the parliament. Kamenev also called for a growth of the party and abandoning the goal of socialism, even, so that they become ELECTABLE in the eyes of general bourgeois population.

Reminds you of anything? Good, because USA is arriving at INTIMATE, CLASS-BASED understanding of how the Revolution in Russia happened, even if there are no revolutionary organizations visible anywhere. Even 10 years ago, nobody had this visceral rejection of billionaire donors, Bernie was a candidate people liked, there was a belief in democratic party becoming better, yadda yadda.

And dems responded to BLM just like bourgeois parliament in Russian Civil War responded to Soviets - they sent "ambassadors" from the leftmost flanks of dem party - in Russia, it was a delegation of 7 social-revolutionaries and other minor leftists from the parliament, for example - to persuade against "drastic" actions. And then, when drastic actions were averted, protesters cashed into no promises that were given to them, lmao

This is the essense of socdemery: pacifying the working class while the bourgeoisie outmaneuvers it via a billion ways, from police and stalling tactics to open assassinations and national guard blocking streets on AFVs with machineguns

hey bois, live from heaven… how is cap… I mean gommunism in Chyna going these days, hope they achieve that gommunism by 2050 thingy soon. Did u guys really fall for that whole gommunism with chynese characteristics I made up? ROFL YOLO peace out

>>2832037
ok you win. china is capitalist. can we please get chinese style capitalism over here in the USA?

>>2832220
so u want more working hours, less pay & high youth unemployment rates? say no less comrade, sending gommunism with chynese characteristics™ ur way soon

>>2832277
>more working hours, less pay & high youth unemployment rates

What about the homeownership rates and guaranteed mandatory trade union membership? And growing wages that allow a quality of life on par with the West or higher? High speed rail, perhaps?

>>2832277
i was more thinking about the part where we don't have 800 offshore military bases and coup countries for trying to be independent

>>2832326
What is the point of life in the West as a socialist if you can't get enraged by your military bombing Arab kids?

>>2832333
>human sacrifices must be made constantly so you can feel mad at the government
meds

>>2832365
>>2832353
Yes.

Besides, socialists in the West need American military operational and ready to strike at anybody anywhere - especially children - so that democratic mode of governance could be preserved and defended. It's a lesser evil! I swear, pinky promise it's not just to destroy countries for profit

>>2832365
honestly i see so much unironic insanity on here and in real life daily that my sarcasm detector has become broken beyond all repair

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