/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

old thread isn't full, and it isn't even a very fast thread. what gives?

>>2786133
>A thread for the harmonious discussion related to the saviour of socialism, the uplifter of nations, the king of cooperation, the soviet of SOVL, the enjoyer of empathy, the ally of Africa, the demigod of development, the bureaucracy for banter, the prince of ping pong, the lobotomizer of labour aristocracy, the protector against proxy wars, the sponsor of sophisticated sciences and culture, the guarantor of gommunism, the Proletarian Dictatorship of Chynah™.

good rift on the /usapol/ copypasta tho

>>2786135
shit, couldn't find it on my phone for some reason
we have 5 burgerpol threads on the front page anyway

>>2786137
yeah, fair.
>>2786133
interesting comment chain from your vid

>>2786135
besides, 39 posts left in previous one

China is taking us towards the first robotic handjob

>>2786151
I dunno if I want that thing near my cock

Apparently the hot new anti-China talking point from the Burgers is that the Chinese are lying about their population numbers. Not birth rates but the actual number of people.

>>2786160
I've been hearing this for years but ramping up even more yeah, retards on Reddit saying 'how do we know Chinese population isn't 600 million already'.

>>2786160
so, what's the REAL number?

ok

So if china somehow falls there's no more resistance to western corporate fascism or whatever you want to call it, were fucked as robot soldiers and advanced Intel just put down any rebellions and corpos win forever

>>2786272
Based.

You’re just cheering for the US in 1960 against the US in 2026, or more accurately, the British against the Dutch

>>2786390
remind me, which one of those were communists?

Rejoice /PRC/ you guys aren't real amerikkka enemy this time just scape goat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUK0OSEIdSs&t=300s

>>2786433
Both of them

>>2786330
i'm sure they took it poorly. also why did you post trotsky? the only way to make pol "like" marx is to post the quote about lassallle

>>2786594
That thread is still up and I'm in it and it's mostly one fag with a libertarian flag screaming like a retard at every post and then a bunch of 1 post replies saying "Yeah true" from other people and nothing else.

A victim of Communism cries out against oppression. Is THIS what you DENGOID CAMPISTS defend?

>>2786676
>the commies made me do work, and I failed at that too
Many such cases

Calling China socialist just gives more fuel and justification for nu cold war shenanigans, call China a normal capitalist country and economy and the MIC will melt away

Does anyone have that video/image (don't recall) where a student protestor admits they wanted a massacre to occur in Tiananmen Square so there could be a liberal revolt against the government?

Here's an article about labor conditions in China.

https://www.zhihu.com/question/450019849

Q: Why can’t factories find workers these days?

1. The Real Labor Shortage:
   
   

Even with a standard 40-hour work week, legal overtime pay, standard social benefits, no overnight shifts, and no age discrimination, they still can't find anyone.

The Fake Labor Shortage:

Working 10–12 hours a day, 28 days a month, on a two-shift rotation including overnights. Overtime is paid at the bare minimum rate with zero subsidies. Some offer basic insurance, but most skip the housing fund. On top of that, they only want men under 30 who can handle the graveyard shift.

Then they start screaming: "Why aren't any young people applying for jobs?!"

1. A friend of mine, her husband’s family owns a factory in a small town in Zhejiang. I won't specify the industry.
   
   

A couple of years ago, I was having dinner with her husband, and he started complaining: "It’s so hard to find workers these days. You have to offer at least 4,000 yuan a month just to get someone in the door. That’s 800 yuan more than a few years ago. With over 200 employees, think about how much extra money that is every year…"

Based on that, you’d think he was running a small factory barely staying afloat, right?

Well, let me tell you: his family drives a Rolls-Royce, owns multiple properties in Hangzhou, and lived in the UK for six or seven years. When his wife was still in school, she was already driving an Audi, living in a luxury penthouse, and buying designer bags like they were groceries.

For a wealthy business family like that, "hiring difficulties" must be a real headache, huh?

But for the rest of us commoners — if things are a little harder for them, doesn't that make life a little easier for you?

Don't be the kind of person who does proletarian labor while worrying about a capitalist’s profit margins. Keep grinding, wage slaves!

1. Here’s a ridiculous one for you.
   
   

Back when I was a supervisor in a Suzhou factory, we were losing staff left and right. Management told the boss: "Pay is too low, the work is too hard; we need to give them a raise."

The boss’s response? He rejected the raise and used that money to bring in Living Buddhas from Tibet to perform an exorcism/ritual at the front gate to fix the "bad vibes."

1. The so-called "labor shortage" is a hoax. The real problem is an unwillingness to improve pay or benefits, and a refusal to treat workers with basic human dignity.
   
   

Ten years ago, when I first started working in factories in the Pearl River Delta, many places would openly blacklist people from provinces like Henan, Guizhou, and Guangxi. You couldn’t get a job through official channels; you had to pay a middleman just to get in. That’s how arrogant they were back then.

Factories will always push workers to their physical limits without raising wages. If one "star" worker can do 4,000 pieces a day while everyone else does 3,000, the factory will inevitably cut the unit price. In the end, everyone is forced to do 5,000 pieces just to make less than they did for 4,000. People like that usually end up being hated by the entire workshop.

On an hourly assembly line, you can only imagine how fast they crank up the "engine." It’s exactly like Charlie Chaplin’s Modern Times.

In many factories, even going to the bathroom requires a formal report and an "off-post permit." You have to pass through security and wait in line just to use the toilet.

You often see short videos claiming factories are struggling to find people for 10,000 RMB a month, but once they bait you into going there — like those small shops in the Haizhu District of Guangzhou — you realize it was all a lie.

Finally, a word of advice to young people: avoid the factory life if you can. Unless you are in a critical technical role, you’ll eventually be replaced by a robot. When that day comes and you’re unemployed, you’ll realize that after years in a factory, you don’t have any other skills to fall back on.

1. I used to work for a top-tier industry leader in China.
   
   

I saw with my own eyes over 500 workers arrive at the dorms with their families to start their jobs. Three days later, fewer than 150 remained on the roster. These people brought their entire families, thinking a "big factory" would provide stable income. Instead, driven by insane workloads and the arrogant, abrasive attitudes of low-level supervisors, they fled in the middle of the night. In this place, a worker with three months of experience is considered a "veteran," because 99% of people don't stay.

I saw with my own eyes elite graduates from 985 and 211 universities — hired as engineers — being "dispatched" to the assembly line to "learn" because the factory was short on manual labor. They worked 12-hour night shifts, and excluding meal times, spent 10 hours doing grueling mechanized labor — lifting boxes — six days a week for a month straight. And yet, this is a company that constantly brags about its "Smart Manufacturing."

I saw with my own eyes the leadership remove every single chair in the workshop just because "supervisors sometimes get lazy." Every worker was forced to stand for the full 12-hour shift; no squatting, no sitting allowed. The elite graduates were treated the same way. When I massaged my calves and asked "veteran" workers (with only a few months of seniority) if it hurt, they simply said, "Whose legs don't hurt? You just get used to it."

I saw with my own eyes the shoe cabinets outside the "cleanroom." You could see the dust and particles with the naked eye, and the stench was overwhelming. Yet, the leadership wouldn't even spend money on an exhaust fan, not that they ever bothered to walk down there themselves. Shoes and hats were recycled and reused; the "cleanliness" of the cleanroom was a joke.

Out of 30 fresh graduates dispatched there, two developed acute respiratory infections and over a dozen got athlete's foot. This "assignment" triggered a wave of mass resignations among the engineers; that batch of graduates currently has an 80% turnover rate.

I saw with my own eyes that the maximum allowed time for a "leave of absence" (break) within the workshop was 15 minutes — but it took 10 minutes just to walk to the exit. The water fountain was outside, so workers barely got a sip of water all night.

And since the fountain was less than five meters from the stinking shoe cabinets, I refused to drink from it unless my throat was literally parched.

I saw with my own eyes a worker lose an entire night’s wages just for breaking a single pane of glass. Meanwhile, the red banners outside the dorms screamed: "Roll up your sleeves and work hard; 10,000 RMB a month is within your reach."

When labor is scarce, they squeeze every drop out of you; when labor is plenty, they calculate how to lay you off. In the end, when they have enough people, everyone works at 120% capacity; when they don't, people quit in droves. A department that once had 30 people running themselves ragged now has only six people left, just lying flat to get through the day.

Why can’t they find workers? Because the people who make money sitting down don't treat the people who work standing up like human beings.

PS The ultimate irony: while the factory’s reputation is so toxic that they can’t even hire locals, the company somehow wins a "Best Employer" award every single year.

1. I’ve worked as both a production line worker and a factory HR, so I can give you a first-hand account of the situation.
   
   

Beyond the fact that workers aren't treated like human beings, there is another critical factor: the total collapse of trust in the labor market. From recruitment and onboarding to the actual work and final payment, every single step is a cycle of deception and oppression.

There are no effective legal channels to protect workers' rights. We see so many stories of workers failing to get their hard-earned money despite appeals. Since working as an HR recruiter, I’ve realized the truth: this is tacitly permitted. An "industrial powerhouse" needs a constant supply of "disposable consumables," doesn't it?

First, my experience as a worker:

Last year, I was suddenly laid off. My savings were running out, and no one would hire me, not even milk tea shops, which only wanted people under 26 (I was 27). Unable to pay rent and too proud to ask my family for money, I decided to "give up my white-collar pride" and head to a factory to get by.

The ad said the factory was in Guangzhou. Only after I got off the bus did I realize I’d been hauled away to Huizhou. I was stunned, but if I’d left then, I would have wasted the travel fare without earning a cent. I gritted my teeth and stayed. Because I’d been lied to, I had no luggage, so I had to buy a quilt, a mattress, and toiletries on-site.

(This is why there are so many vendors outside factories; they profit off people who were lured there by lies and have no choice but to stay and work.)

The supervisor saw I was a girl with "delicate" skin and assigned me to the "easiest" group. We cleaned phone screen glass by hand, slotting them into racks to be dipped in chemical solvents. It sounds easy, right? It was the easiest job there, yet it nearly killed me.

The Physical Toll: 12-hour shifts on a two-shift rotation. One hour for lunch. Standing the entire time — no chairs allowed.

The Environment: Non-stop, deafening noise. Even with earplugs, my head would buzz for hours after leaving.

The Damage: The cleaning chemicals were incredibly corrosive. The glass coming out of the high-temp wash was scalding. I tried wearing my own gloves, but the supervisor screamed at me, saying gloves would scratch the "precision instruments." After 14 days, my hands were literally rotting despite constant applications of hand cream.

The Sensory Deprivation: No phones allowed — they claim it’s for "trade secrets." Once you enter that workshop, you are cut off from the world for 12 hours. You lose all sense of time. I worked the night shift; every morning when I walked out and saw the rising sun, I felt like I was burning out, like my body was melting in the light. It was a dual agony of body and soul.

Before I went in, I was confident: "It's just standing, I can handle it. It's just 12 hours without a phone, I can entertain myself." You don't know the pain until you've lived it. Add to that the verbal abuse from supervisors and the vulgar, passive-aggressive environment from other workers. As someone who used to sit in an office, I had never seen anything like it. It was impossible to communicate with them on a human level.

After 14 days — which felt like a lifetime — I was paid 1,860 RMB. That’s roughly 132 RMB a day, or less than 12 RMB per hour. When I demanded to know why the promised rate of 19 RMB/hour wasn't met, they claimed I was "too slow," my "productivity was too low," and because I didn't stay a full month, they were entitled to dock my pay to the 12 RMB rate. I have never felt so cheap in my life.

Then, my experience as an HR:

In July, after leaving a foreign trade company, I took an HR job, not realizing it was for a factory. That’s when I truly understood why they can’t find workers.

Factory recruiters shouldn't be called "Human Resources." They are human trafficking cartels with a corporate veneer. The hourly rates in the ads are fake. The locations are fake. The photos of the work environment are fake.

Applicants usually want a job near home. They ask the HR if the factory is local, and the HR says yes just to get them there. In reality, the buses are already scheduled for specific factories.

Everyone who shows up that day gets herded onto a bus and sent to one location, regardless of what city they wanted. People realize they've been conned once they arrive, but like I was, they are often at the end of their rope and just "accept their fate." It’s an entire predatory industry chain: physical exam fees, bus fares, selling daily necessities.

I asked my colleagues, "Won't we get in trouble for lying like this?" The boss slammed the table and said, "Every factory does this. If you don't lie, you won't find anyone."

I stayed for one month. I recruited 15 people and made 12,000 RMB (5,000 base + 500 per head). The office felt like a trafficking ring — counting "heads" on buses and learning mental manipulation scripts to manipulate workers into staying when they tried to quit.

Even though I tried to be honest with my recruits, my conscience couldn't take it, so I resigned. (I guess that’s why I’ll never be rich.)

This company has existed for ten years, has over a hundred employees, and is a "high-income taxpayer."

So, why can’t factories find workers?

The answer is obvious. If capitalists would rather "dump milk" than share wealth, and if recruiters act like outlaws beyond the reach of labor laws, then the best thing workers can do is "waste" their labor by staying away.

The reputation of an "Industrial Powerhouse" should not be built upon the marrow and blood of its workers.

[machine translated]

>>2786931
Conditions like this have been common in China for decades at this point. The real news is that China is reaching the limit of how much it can gain from the traditional industrial capitalist model, this is why western countries deindustrialized because forcing workers into factories is a tough sell and radicalizes them. The only way China can navigate this is by continuing automation while also realizing that other third world countries are going to want to industrialize aswell and will be able to undercut chinese offers as the proletariat won't accept shitty wages anymore. Before people had no real understanding of capitalism or factory work so going from rural shithole peasantville to a shiny new factory was seen as a major step up, but now they are starting to realize it actually sucks dick. But China doesn't want to give up its role as the workshop of the world so its caught in a contradiction currently. It will be up to the communist party to properly resolve this contradiction if China wants to maintain its power and stability.

>>2786931
Awful. This is why I can't have that much faith in China, if they really meant what they say they would arrest all these fatcats and shoot them.

>>2786938
Why can't they just make conditions better? It sounds like most of the issues aren't even about pay, just how abysmal it is to work there. Why can't the bourgeois treat the workers a little better? I understand they're exploiters but surely they would make more money in the long term if they didn't have to try and hire more people every few days?

>>2786931
yeah but the wrong schizo told us all that china has achieved communism. it has ended exploitation of man on man and factories are paying proletarian wages and engaging in proletarian commodity production and investing in proletarian stock exchanges

>>2786943
Mostly because it makes the factory uncompetitive, in our current world industrial capitalism is basically playing hot potato with countries that haven't experienced how shit capitalism is. Places that are smart can outcompete factories that "respect" their workforces by simply exploiting their proles more than the other guy. In post-feudal countries this is effective because no one has any understanding of factory life, so as a result these nations can put other factories out of work by being more profitiable to invest into.

>>2786951
(me) I want to also add that the cheapness of the labor isn't the only way for a factory to outcompete others. One of the big reasons why China is still such an industrial powerhouse is because it has robust infrastructure and supply chains with rapidly increasing automation that maintains its competitiveness on the global stage. This is why it focuses so heavily on automation and robots so it can remain in competition with less industrialized nations with cheaper labor costs.

Chinese leftychuds, please translate what the white dude is saying.

>>2787035
Seems like just an introduction with American intonation. I highly doubt that gusano understand most of what he said.

>>2786659
sounds like a blast

>>2786931
>nobody wants to work
>no I will not raise wages or improve conditions
Some things are universal, wish this wasn't one of them

>>2787035
white dude asks him if he has an english name. Professor says he doesn't.

The Chinese don’t want whatever you call the system governing them to continue, if they did they would be at replacement birth rate

>>2787111
Thank you fren

>>2787131
The one child policy was a mistake and we are living with the consequences of it to this day.

>>2787415
>mistake
How so?

>>2786533
looks agile af but also fragile af

>>2787131
Facts. Chinese communist society is the only one both willing and able to transition to a society where labor naturally replenishes itself. Imagine a world where every countries population shrank over time except for Chinas, who's growth is exponential, given enough time the communists would overwhelm everyone else

>>2787445
Created a massive gender imbalance, created an internal enemy faction within (families who hated the restrictions and tried to keep the kids), compounded the effects of the demographic transition (less kids being had now would not be as big of an issue if more kids were alive in the past), weakened the pension system (decreasing population leads to greater strain on retirement systems always), created a massive propaganda win for NATO/The West (look at the Chinese killing their babies etc.) during the Cold War, the list goes on.

>>2787131
This is a retarded argument because all developed nations have failed to reach replacement birth rate. Unless you would like to claim that Somalia or Yemen or some other warzone is a paradise on earth because of their higher birthrates you'll need more to substantiate your claim.

>>2787470
All development is anti human, the fact is China and the west equally abuse their citizens to the point they can’t afford or don’t even want kids anymore

>>2787473
>Ooga booga we must live in primitive communes because le industrial society is oppressive and satanic
welcome back Robert Owen

>>2787474
He was correct, do you know alienated and abused any mammal has to be to forgo its reproductive instincts?

>>2787474
The hell of capitalism is the firm, not whoever claims to run it

>>2786136
thx

>>2787468
The one child policy was a succes and it did what it needed to do.

>>2787530
Force rural blue collar chinese men to get brides in the mail from Myanmar and Pakistan?

>>2787484
meaningless

>>2786272
I would have told them the american bourgeoisie eat people.

>>2787111
Based Mandarin understander.

Does anyone have the video of the chinese guy living under a bridge in NYC shouting about how he was lied to that he could have a good life as a dishwasher?

>>2786931
>an article
thats just a random person ranting on the chinese equivalent of quora, not "an article" that examined the average condition thoroughly across the country

and yes a lot of factory work (especially exploiting rural migrant labor) can be pretty damn awful, thats standard capitalist dynamic at work
but on the other hand, these eventually get automated (or get outcompeted by automated factories and close), or there come a crackdown from the authorities, or they're forced to improve condition, or workers get truly fed up and come in the CEO office to sequester him and the authorities make an example out of him and send him to jail to calm everyone down
all statistics and metrics show that steadily things are improving, and work become higher quality and less harsh.

>>2787131
all polls show that on the contrary, they massively support the current system and government, and your argument is retarded, none of the developed states are at replacement rate

>>2787415
no, it was a smart policy with some bad side effects

>>2787825
You can’t genuinely support a system where you can’t afford to have kids, also polls are literally always wrong

>>2787943
i think we are being raided by the sharty rn

where do I listen to the whole Chapo Trap House episode in OP?

Since they shut down their subreddit I can't get my fix and this being about CHOYNAH makes me wanna listen to it even more

A day in a life of a chinese treatlerite

Why isnt rest of 3rd world copying this massively succesful model?

<Sovereign Control: China never surrendered its financial sovereignty. The state retained absolute control over its banking system, credit creation, and currency, meaning foreign capital could not dictate domestic economic policy.

<Forced Technology Transfer: China refused to remain a permanent sweatshop. It forced Western corporations into joint ventures, demanding they hand over intellectual property and manufacturing know-how in exchange for access to Chinese labor and markets.

<Reinvestment over Extraction: Instead of letting local oligarchs and foreign corporations offshore the profits (as happens in Latin America and Africa), China aggressively funneled the capital generated by cheap exports into massive infrastructure projects, domestic supply chains, and research and development.

>>2792370
Not everyone can survive without Western trade

>>2792412
National cuckoldry sure is more prevalent amongst capitalist governments, but having your own industries and having a national industrial policy is not communist exclusive

>>2792370
because to implement all of those policies requires the government to be led by an ideologically driven party with a long term vision for the country. most 3rd world countries aren't and in addition to that they:

1. are very small and can't survive without trade with the USA
   
2. are close enough to the USA that constant covert or overt interference by the USA is a legitimate concern
   
   

also in order to rise above developing country status countries need to maintain these policies for 30ish years. at the time when the PRC first implemented their version of those policies they had the protection of the USSR which they kept for good number of years, in addition to their advantageous geographic position (far away from the USA).

anyways, at the end of the day the objective of any developing nation in the world is to implement the policies you've outlined but the path to that will be different for each one depending on their material conditions.

>>2792370
>Why isnt rest of 3rd world copying this massively succesful model?
Because China is a proletarian republic.

>>2790408
I got you fam https://soundgasm.net/u/ClassWarAndPuppies/2026-04-06-Episode-1025-The-Ten-Year-Anniversary-Spectacular

I love Chinese nationalists who are like "da fucking joooos control america death to israel" one moment and then "noooo China MUST to trade with Israel they have no choice otherwise 10 billion Chinese are gonna die you privileged westoid!!!" the next

>>2792370
Hard to do when your biggest manufacturing competitor is China. Those forced technology transfers will have to come from China to whom you have a massive trade deficit anyway

>>2793029
If western "leftists" acutally walked the walk as much as they talked the talk we'd have global communism instead of terminally online cucktinism with dengoid characteristics.

>>2793140
yes but they have to spend considerable effort shitting up threads randomly to seethe at china and anyone defending them, because they have to believe they're at least as bad as their own state, or else they cant feel superior and will have to admit the chinese path to socialism model is working and better in every aspect to their impossible ultra fantasies

>>2793185
what's the chinese path to socialism model that western leftists should follow? The working conditions here >>2786931 ?

>>2793194
>The working conditions here
they already have those in the west, just go into any place that use illegal migrant labor

Anti-CCP people are going through their's incel phase, but I think they're right on this matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4JWLIJ6ZIo

I think the US with the IMEC is once again betting on the losing horse…There is no way India wont have huge structural, environmental, social and other problems that will bring disruptions to supply chains…

forgot pic

>>2794090
based feminist china

>>2794090
Do you think I could find a successful Chinese career woman who would take me for a house husband?

>>2793384
We kneel to slave labour with dengoid characteristics

>>2794090
VOLCEL GANG

>>2797732
Literal brain drain

>Lieber was found guilty by a jury and convicted in December 2021 of making false statements to federal investigators about his ties to a Chinese state program to recruit overseas talent, and tax offenses related to payments he received from a Chinese university. He served two days in prison and six months under ‌house arrest, and was fined $50,000 and ordered to pay $33,600 in restitution to the Internal Revenue Service. During the case, his defense said he was suffering from an incurable lymphoma, which was in remission, and he was fighting for his life.

>Three years after he was sentenced, Reuters has learned that Lieber is now overseeing China’s state-funded i-BRAIN, or the Institute for Brain Research, Advanced Interfaces and Neurotechnologies, with access to dedicated nanofabrication equipment and primate research infrastructure unavailable to him at Harvard. The lab is an arm of the Shenzhen Medical Academy of Research and Translation, or SMART.

So, he either was convicted rightfully (in a sense that he indeed was playing for the Chinese side), or he decided to take revenge by switching to Chinese side. Either case it's amazing news, yeah?

>>2797744
>“China has weaponized against us our own openness and our own efforts for innovation,” said Glenn Gerstell, a nonresident senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and former general counsel of the U.S. National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020. “They’ve flipped that and turned it around against us, and they’re ​taking advantage of it.”

Yeah dude, you've convicted a person for foreign ties, that's how open you are

>>2792918
danke

>>2793029
you are eternally online, which is to say a silly person

uuuuh… multipolaristas? what's going on here

>>2797732
anti-paywall (will be up in a few mins)
https://archive.ph/fVd2y

>>2797893
Changing the way things are calculated won't will industries into existance, buddy. And we don't even talk about how GDP is a false metric nobody's in charge of anything is using in practice

>>2797893
>>2798487
Also, GDP PPP is just a modifier on GDP, so it's shit as well.

I found out recently that the Chinese have been converting old J-6 airframes into kamikaze drones. https://theaviationist.com/2025/09/17/china-j-6-drone-conversion/

>>2798575
Big bada boom

Thoughts on this interesting article about Xi's idea of "self-revolution"? It argues that he sees it as a method to maintain the party's effectiveness and ideology to avoid the USSR's fate or "democratization".
>The Soviet collapse remains one of his defining cautionary tales. Early in his tenure, he famously said that “nobody was man enough” to stop Mikhail Gorbachev’s failed reforms because they had stopped believing in communism. But he also sees poor governance as an important factor, arguing that the Soviet Communist Party “separated itself from the people and became a privileged bureaucratic group that only protected its own interests.”
https://archive.ph/pI3GR
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/xis-forever-purge

>>2801426
Where do they get those quotes from?

>>2801426
>THE ROT WITHIN
>Autocracies have always struggled to control their own bureaucrats. Without an independent judiciary, a free press, or competitive elections, the system lacks many of the external checks that constrain official abuse elsewhere.
It's much easier to just let corrupt officials to do whatever they please, like they do in the West, and pretend that nothing happened. That's how you get very high corruption transparency metrics while get bridges and roads built in decades, unlike China which builds them in months.

Why have I even open the articile? It's the same stupid self-masturbatory shit Westoids love so much. Oh, communists fight corruption? It must mean they have 100x the corruption, because we don't fight corruption as much, and we congratulate ourselves every year that we don't have any notable corruption!

>>2801426
>>2801463
>Success could also resonate abroad. Xi does not frame self-revolution as a purely domestic project. He has presented it explicitly as a “powerful answer” to advocates of the “Western formula” of multiparty competition and separation of powers. Beijing has increasingly promoted self-revolution as a model to emulate, signing anticorruption cooperation agreements with dozens of countries and running political discipline training for officials from around the developing world.
Lmao, Westoids are about to experience China-backed anticorruption scandals, protests, coups and revolutions. I wonder how the Panama Papers published by China's journalists look like

>>2801426
>Xi’s focus on self-revolution may also make him less inclined toward major external gambles. Only months ago, he told the Central Committee that “corruption is the greatest threat our party faces”—not the United States, or Taiwan, or even the economy. The recent PLA purges, which will make any war harder to fight in the near term, reveal how deeply Xi remains preoccupied with corruption, loyalty, and institutional effectiveness. A leader consumed by domestic discipline and elite governance may pursue a foreign policy that is hard-edged and nationalistic, but he is also likely wary of truly high-stakes risks.

And this passage is authors' lack of education speaking. Both Lenin and Stalin, Mao and Ho Chi Mihn and Che Guevara, all said that imperialists are paper tigers, and that the real enemy are the traitors. Imperialists cannot do anything if there are no people who are willing to destroy their own countries for whatever retarded reason like "democratization", "market efficiency compared to plan", or simply for getting paid more

>>2801467
>China-backed anticorruption scandals, protests, coups and revolutions
No, they're talking about cooperation with other communist countries like Vietnam.
>Both sides agreed to promote exchanges in discipline inspection, and enhance cooperation in anti-corruption
https://www.idcpc.org.cn/english2023/lldt/201809/t20180930_161308.html

>>2801502
It's clearly obvious that "corruption" in this means "anti-state interests", i.e. globalist neoliberalist porkies, the breed Xi wants dead.

>>2786931
Chinese specialists talking to third world's soon to be proles

>>2801653
Yeah, USA and Europe overstayed their welcome

>>2786272
They aren't wrong.

>>2801688
mossad

>>2801735
Pork to be slaughtered

this guy used to do "china is cooked" clickbait

pic 1 is today
pic 2 is three years ago, LMFAO

I've come to the conclusion that Xi is merely pretending to be retarded on the public stage, but he's actually a secret genius.
From the outside it looks like he's an authoritarian state capitalist bureaucrat and straigtforward ideological Dengist anti-communist.
Nothing could be further from the truth!
Socialism with Chinese characteristics is a total lie! But also not as I'll explain.
Xi is actually in fact actually existing L/Acc in action. He has recognised in the current era trying to avoid being capitalist is not merely foolish, but impossible. It would cripple any nation to try it.
Instead, he is utilising things which sound comedically self-contradicatory - "people's CEOs" and "communist billionaires" - as discardable tools to rapidly develop capitalism, technology, and industry as far as humanly possible.
Only then will 2 goals simultaneously be completed: It will cause the collapse of capitalism from the inside, as fast as it can be done, allowing for a post-capitalist, communist society to replace it. And on the flip side it will create the technology required for such a society to function - utilising the spiralling of capitalsim to generate the computing capacity and robotics tech for the possibility of UBI, robots doing manual labour, etc, etc which will facilitate communism.
When you view it this way, Temu and TikTok makes so much more sense. The shittiness is the point! It is anal cancer capitalism, to produce the $$$ for real technological projects while rotting global capitalism into it's worst and fastest format!
The only problem is what if he dies, and a genuine Dengist or neo-Maoist takes over? I hope he has prepared for this scenario.

>>2803324
>it's worst
small grammatical mistake
you lose

/PRC/ be like "this petty bourg youtube political slop grifter posted 'china down' during past news cycle and is posting 'china up' yesterday; this has positive implications worth discussing"

Room temp

this uygha name Dong Shopping

>>2803348
>>2803447
Downvoted

>>2802004
Ogre

Dengism is revisionism

>>2806080
This is awesome

>>2806080
>words words words
deng can't meme

>>2806080
>Neoliberal proposes increased censorship and propaganda
The West is literally already doing this no wonder he lives in Taiwan he's mentally retarded.

>>2801426
>picrel. no more mr. nice guy

What do we think about this? How do they even choose officials? It just seems like an excuse to pick and choose who the bosses want (not necessarly a bad thing)

>In appointing officials, the Party has adopted a rational approach with a greater emphasis on political integrity. It has adhered to the principle of selecting officials on the basis of both integrity and ability, with greater weight given to the former, and on the basis of merit regardless of background, and it is intent on appointing those who are dedicated, impartial, and upright. The Party has opposed the selection of officials solely on the basis of votes, assessment scores, GDP growth rates, or age, or through open popularity contests. It has strengthened the role of Party organizations in exercising leadership and final oversight in order to rectify misconduct in the selection and appointment of officials.

>>2806080
>>2807105
Can this fucker even define what liberalism is? What is the BEST thing in the world, according to him?

>>2807107
>unrealistic, non-emprical economic policies
Libs are in denial that socialism works while liberalism doesn't - not without plunder of the third world, anyway.

What's with the controlled appreciation of the yuan? Is China giving up on exporting to the world? Or is this just due to the oil crisis?

>>2807239
>6.83 to 6.80
Nothingburger

>>2807246
That's just in 1 month.

>>2807279
Sounds like American problem

As of early May 2026, the Chinese Yuan (CNY) has strengthened significantly against the US Dollar (USD), reaching 3-year highs, while remaining relatively stable but slightly weaker against the Euro (EUR). The CNY strengthened 0.39% against the USD in the past four weeks to around 6.81 per dollar, while trading roughly 7.97–8.01 against the EUR.Yuan Against Dollar (CNY vs USD)Trend: The yuan hit roughly 6.81 per dollar, its strongest level since February 2023.Performance: Over the last 4 weeks (April-May 2026), the USD/CNY rate fell around \(0.39\%\) (meaning the yuan gained value).Drivers: Increased confidence in Chinese assets and a sharp drop in the US dollar index to below 98.Yuan Against Euro (CNY vs EUR)Trend: The Yuan has been stable or marginally lower against the Euro in the same period, with 1 EUR fluctuating around the 8.00 CNY level.Performance: In the last 7 days leading to May 8, 2026, the CNY remained stable, showing a slight \(0.12\%\) decrease.History: The rate has ranged roughly between 7.97 and 8.01 per Euro in the short term.SummaryThe yuan's strength is primarily driven by dollar weakness rather than a broad surge against all currencies, as shown by its steadiness against the euro despite sharp gains against the dollar.

>>2807274
Le imperialism. Should have been creating ethnically Chinese compounds to avoid exploiting local workers

>At the same time, however, misguided ideas have often cropped up, such as money worship, hedonism, ultra-individualism, and historical nihilism, online discourse has been rife with disorder, and certain leading officials have demonstrated ambiguity in their political stance and a lack of fighting spirit. These phenomena all have a serious impact on people’s thinking and the environment for public discourse.

What does ultra-individualism mean in this context? Can I get an example?

explain why a stock market is communism without sounding schizophrenic

>>2808058
You can clearly see that China's stock market is fundamentally different from a bourgeois one

>>2806377
This.

>>2808058
>explain why a stock market is communism without sounding schizophrenic

In this video, Ben Norton argues that China did not abandon socialism after the economic reforms launched by Deng Xiaoping in 1978. Instead, he presents China’s system as a form of “socialism with Chinese characteristics,” in which markets and private enterprise are permitted but remain subordinate to state direction. According to the video, Deng believed China was still economically underdeveloped after the Mao era and needed to modernize its productive forces. Rather than fully planning the economy in the Soviet style, China adopted a mixed system where the state retained control over the “commanding heights” of the economy—banking, infrastructure, energy, telecommunications, heavy industry, and land—while allowing limited market competition in less strategic sectors.

The transcript emphasizes that state-owned enterprises (SOEs) remain central to China’s economy. Norton argues that although private companies and stock markets exist, the largest and most strategic sectors are still dominated by public ownership and directed through state planning. He cites data showing that many of China’s largest corporations are SOEs and contends that their purpose is not maximizing profits, but supporting long-term national development, industrialization, employment, and macroeconomic stability. The video also discusses the influence of Chen Yun, who developed the “birdcage economy” metaphor: markets are allowed to function like a bird inside a cage, but the Communist Party determines the size and limits of that cage.

A major theme of the video is the contrast between China’s economic model and the highly financialized system of the United States. Norton argues that China prioritizes industrial growth, infrastructure, manufacturing, and poverty reduction over stock market performance. He notes that China’s stock markets have remained relatively stagnant compared to the dramatic growth of U.S. indexes like the S&P 500 and NASDAQ, which he interprets as evidence that the Chinese government does not organize policy around enriching shareholders. Instead, China’s economy relies heavily on state-owned banks, which direct credit toward industries viewed as strategically important. The transcript repeatedly contrasts this with the U.S., where corporations and investors rely heavily on capital markets and stock valuations.

The video also frames China’s development as a successful alternative to neoliberal capitalism. Norton points to China’s rapid industrialization, rising wages, and large-scale poverty reduction as evidence that the system has delivered broad material gains. He argues that capitalist countries in the Global South did not achieve similar outcomes despite embracing markets, suggesting that China’s success stems from state coordination rather than capitalism alone. Throughout the video, he contends that Chinese policymakers favor labor and social stability over private capital accumulation, and he presents government crackdowns on speculative finance, monopolistic behavior, and some billionaires as examples of the Communist Party subordinating capital to state priorities.

Finally, the transcript concludes that China’s economy should be understood not as a capitalist restoration, but as a distinct socialist model that uses markets instrumentally while preserving state control over strategic sectors. Norton argues that the Chinese government views finance and markets as tools for national development rather than ends in themselves. In his interpretation, the U.S. system prioritizes shareholder wealth and financial speculation, whereas China prioritizes industrial policy, social cohesion, and what the Communist Party calls “common prosperity.”

>>2808171
ComradeGPT coal

>dengist
>illiterate
Like clockwork

>>2808171
By this point in time, any country that does industrial policy with state intervention is a honorary socialist, because capitalism is a deeply reactionary formation that refuses to change with the times.

Does anyone have an old leftypol meme/webm stored somewhere that showed the growth of Chinas economy compared to rest of the world while Prokofiev's Cindarella suite plays on the background?

The more I think about it the more I like Deng. He saved China from ultra-retards that only cause death and suffering to ordinary proles.

>>2808171
> Dirigisme but with a coat of red paint
How the fuck is De Gaulle one of the most relevant politicians of the 21st century?

>>2808172
you were linked a video and a summary, and decided to complain that you were given a summary as a bonus. instead of formulating a counter argument, you cried that the argument was made using tools you don't like. you basically proved that GPT is the level of effort that should be used on you because you will look for any excuse to ignore what people say anyway
>>2808177
it's simple. the core deindustrialized and pursued financialization and service sector, while using the CIA and IMF to undermine industrialization and unionization in the third world, resulting in prole concentration in the 2nd world countries.
>>2810443
>it's just dirigisme, nothing more, nothing less
there are valid criticisms of china, but this is a lazy and oft-repeated thought terminating cliche

Surprised there are no oil interests represented, only tech and finance. Seems like they will be trying to ban China from technologies, again, rather than doing anything useful with Chinese' time

it has become necessary to make the dengism elder scroll a mere txt file for easier deployment

>>2810999
whats that? newest members of the PRCs dengist government council no doubt

>>2810443
The only reason De Gaulle was allowed to do that was because ousting him from powers would've immediately put the communist in charge, and they were REALLY pissed about all the bourgeoisie collaborating with the nazis and not being beheaded for it, so the capitalist class was fucked

>>2811152
Dengism is revisionism

>>2796891
If there was a black member of the team he would have born in Africa or his parents immigrated here.

>>2811331
"Dengism" is just Marxism, Marxism is inescapable

>>2796896
No; you are posting on an imageboard, which means you aren't Chad.

very stupid move. the USA will fuck them over. the USA cannot be trusted.

PLEASE I need that Alex Jones “big guy” edit about China

>>2811936
The rest of human history is just gonna be the US and China taking turns deindustrializing and outsourcing to each other.

>>2811152
>>2811347
Delulu

>>2810999
why do 4, 8, and 9-12 look like literally the same dude except one is bald
this very scientific observation leads me to the obvious conclusion that at least half of all CEOs are made in the same clone vat

I need to hear the PLA band's version of the YMCA

>>2811347
the deng scroll is too powerful

Edelweiss is also a good choice

>>2812453
how embarrassing for everyone involved. fuck the PRC for not having decency.

>>2812453
fucking epic

Khrushchev… I kneel.

>>2812351
low effort sectarian bait

>>2811262
this guy should have had the "attention span" (0:34) to double check his subtitles for the benefit of deaf people, or, much more common, people who just have their speakers muted when watching his video. but yes he is correct.

Why is China being so selfish economically? It maintains protectionist, mercantilist and Keynesian policies. At the same time it criticizes and uses its immense power to pressure other nations, including poor and weak ones, to maintain free trade and open up its country to Chinese products that hollow out domestic industry.

Its just behaving like a typical hypocritical capitalist country. It calls for free trade while using domestic policies that are anti-free trade.

See : https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202605/14/WS6a05c871a310d6866eb48acc.html

>>2812332
nah there has to be some kind of limit to that process
>>2811936
it's pretty funny I was called crazy when I suggested the USA would pass the torch to China and China would become the new "core" instead of acknowledging that capital has a center of gravity which can move from one global region to the other, I was hit with a bunch of metaphysical idealist babble about how only the west is spiritually capable of being the imperial core… and the worst part is you can never say any of this basic analytical stuff without nationalists treating it like team sports. I was neither trying to slander China as imperialist nor downplay the atrocities of the US when I said that. If part of AES winning means AES becoming the core, instead of the core having its own proletarian revolutions, then so be it! Maybe the USA will be more incentivized to have a revolution once it's re-industrialized, re-proletarianized, and no longer hegemonic. A good analysis continues to be vindicated by facts, regardless of who makes it, or for what motivations.

>>2812764
>Marx is infinitely more useful to capitalists than he is to workers
Someone on here once joked that if a chud went back in time and killed Marx, we'd live under socialism, because Capitalists would have never read Capital. I don't think that's true, but it is funny. Marx described capitalism scientifically. The first edition of capital circulated in Germany with only 1000 copies. Who read it? On >>>/edu/ we once had a big fight about this. One anon was insisting that workers voraciously read Capital while I actually cited the meager sales data, the purchasers mostly being people interested in economics, and Marx and Engels exchanging letters about the serialization of Capital in a French journal, which Marx hoped would cause it to reach more workers, since they have less free time, and Marx also thanking Carlo Cafiero for his summary of Capital, and Engels himself writing a synopsis of Capital. All of these suggest to me that Marx and Engels were worried that workers wouldn't actually read Capital, and it is for our era that we can perhaps speculate that porkies read Marxist theory more often than workers because they have more free time more resources at their disposal to help them understand. The workers' understanding of their own exploitation is obvious and felt viscerally on a day to day basis, rather than processed theoretically in an academic fashion. This is why Lenin suggested that the working class can only achieve trade union consciousness on its own and to go further you need a vanguard party to interact with the broader working masses.

>>2813252
Basically both the US and China don't want to repeat the "mistake" of letting the Global South industrialize as both countries face issues with the rate of profit. They don't want to create new "imperial cores" in SEA, South America, South Asia, Africa etc.

>>2813252
>le Chyna is just like America!
Please inform everyone what African colonies China has established, what countries they have illegally invaded, how many millions of child minors are working for a dollar a day to produce China’s luxuries, what genocides China has committed, how many confirmed pedophiles are in the CPC…

>>2813260
I don't know if that analysis makes sense… doesn't capital seek new markets when it has an issue with a falling rate of profit? As for industrializing other regions being a "mistake" it is only a "mistake" on a geopolitical level rather than an economic level if you let them become a "rival" or "near-peer" power. This happened with Japan in the 1850s. The US, through commodore Perry, forced open feudal Japanese markets with gunboat diplomacy, and within 40 years Japan was a power capable of defeating Tsarist Russia. The level of development was very fast. To the extent that capital can rapidly develop a country, the "core" is concerned about creating rivals, so they have to balance the new markets they can exploit with that defense concern. But they're still going to do it anyway, they just have to make sure the nation defense concern limits the economic concern, or else they'll repeat the Japan "mistake"

>>2813265
i encourage everyone to ignore this anon and read what I actually said and not his crummy strawman greentext

I've met many Chinese and all of them tell me they don't want to go back. You can't openly criticize the government. Some areas of China have developed while others remain poor. There's also slave labor there, and a booming plastic surgery industry. Don't forget the 996 culture, and the youth not wanting to work.

China is just a combination of privately owned property and state owned property, both capitalist.

>>2813265
From the post you failed to read:
>I was neither trying to slander China as imperialist nor downplay the atrocities of the US when I said that. If part of AES winning means AES becoming the core, instead of the core having its own proletarian revolutions, then so be it! Maybe the USA will be more incentivized to have a revolution once it's re-industrialized, re-proletarianized, and no longer hegemonic.

>>2813268
>>2813273
“Neither Washington nor Moscow/Beijing!” wasn’t slick when Trotsky invented it to justify supporting Nazi Germany, to still invoke it nearly a century later when everyone knows you’re just making excuses for the empire is just embarrassing

>>2813277
Yes. I said all those words you put in my mouth, but only because you had your hand up my ass. That hurt. What next?

>>2813290
anarkiddie tier angst complaining about bedtimes and other practical necessities of sustaining a modern society.

>>2812676
Zionism with dengoid characteristics never missing a beat

>>2813290
Damn, really putting the infantile into infantile disorder here.

>>2792370
3rd world shitholes dont have a billion people

>>2813290
Leftoids eternal seething at China’s consistent success will never not be funny

>>2813308
Nta but India is a reactionary shithole with tons and tons of people. I'd be scared for my life if I lived there as a non religious poor person and/or as a woman

>>2813309
This uygha complains about the two only drugs not being banned that are legal in a state with extremely harsh drug laws otherwise. Just goes to show you the extent of the bad faith at display here.

>>2813310
You can tell this is fake and gay by the fact that China does not give af about communism

>>2813321
I am always amazed at the arrogance displayed by western leftstylists trying to lecture a country on drug policies who has suffered disastrous war at the hands of Western drug cartels.

>>2813319
We’re more like early 50’s Soviet Union, except American imperialism is in retreat. And everything will just keep getting better and better. Sounds to me like you’ve been left dizzy with success!

Are you guys really throwing a fit over the fact that China was nice to Trump on his diplomatic mission? What exactly were you expecting? That they would shoot him in the head? Or are these just glow bots?

Western leftists sperging out in China threads every time China scores another W against American hegemony kind of reminds me of a narcissistic family member who would always have their little meltdown a day before another person's birthday or upcoming vacation. It's so transparent.

>>2813337
Based based based

>>2813332
What W? Calling Americans their friends and meeting up with them. How is that a W for anyone here

>>2813344
How is China mogging a declining empire while securing more trade deals anything other than a massive W?

>>2813332
they're glowies anon

>>2813332
There's also a ton of people who suddenly come out of nowhere to badmouth America's enemies whenever America gets into some kind of conflict with a foreign nation.

I'm pretty sure they're glowbots.

>>2813350
>Mogging
You mean declaring that they are friends who will not be hostile? How is that a W for anyone here

>>2813355
And this is new information you suddenly felt like imparting on people literally the day that China wins a bit diplomatic victory over the United States?

>>2813354
America agreeing to restrict itself to its sphere of influence and recognizing China’s economic and political sovereignty is a good thing actually

>this thread

Looks like the leftist sentiment around China is finally changing around. The CIA should honestly pay us for our efforts.

>>2813360
Oh no, not muh irrelevant backwaters in America’s backyard. How could socialism possibly survive without them? Oh my Fauci…this wouldn’t have happened if you had only voted for Hillary!

>>2813358
There is no kayfabe, dumbass. Where has China even pretended that they want war with the United States? What were you expecting from the diplomatic summit? That Xi would shoot Trump in the head? You're an idiot if you believed that. Or you're just trying to spin post-hoc narratives to make China look like its in a lower, more grovelling position that its actually in.

>>2813364
Kek, China defenders do this shit all time

>Iran has good relations with India so they deserve getting bombed
>China has the right to trade with anyone it wants, including Israel, it's just business nothing personnel kid
>Cuba and Nicaragua are irrelevant shitholes

>>2813371
That's not how kayfabe works, idiot.

>>2813375
You're just saying shit and you don't even know what half of it means.

>>2813372
>top golf
porky detected

>>2813378
t.

>>2813332
>An empire scoes a W against another empire

This isn't a win for the proletariat

>>2813384
so true, it was preferable for america to remain hegemonic forever amirite guyz? nobody should ever ever ever ever ever question their interests

>>2813383
And a beep boop to you too, Mr. Robot.

>>2813389
China is just waiting for the US to keep declining to gain more power. What is their end goal nobody really knows. An empire that will not expand and impose its hegemony? An empire that will save us from climate change? An empire that will take out the Global South from its mysery?

>>2813236
Interesting how no one answered this.

I'll ask again - why does China pressure other countries to maintain free trade while they themselves have mercantilist, Keynesian policies?

Now even Mexico, Brazil, India and Indonesia are adopting protectionist tactics specifically targeting China in order to prevent the hollowing out of their industries, along with the EU.

90's nostalgia good doe

>>2813400
>Now even Mexico, Brazil, India and Indonesia are adopting protectionist tactics specifically targeting China
False. India and Brazil have been strictly protectionist since the end of world war 2. Licence Raj? Hello? Retard. They're doing the opposite now, opening up their economies while america closes theirs because they rely on the Chinese economies for exports. Half of brazils beef is shipped to China. kys

>>2813408
the hitler particles you emit are frankly astonishing tbh

Communism is the real movement to become the new imperial core

Hitler was less popular in the 90's than today doe

This brand of gweilo ultra seethe is hilarious

>>2813414
This must be a joke. Neo-Nazi movements exploded all around Europe post-soviet/Berlin Wall fall, including in Germany itself in the 90s, especially with the Yugo refugee crisis. How old are you? 18?

>>2813418
Hitler is a lot more popular today all across the world than in the 90's
>But le europoor shitholes
Don't care

>>2813418
Not a age thing, americans are just dumb when it comes to history.

>>2813421
>gweilo thinks he's in charge
Explain how I owe you an explanation of anything.

>>2813425
Fuck lil gweilo gonna do?

>>2813423
My balls in you mother's face.

>>2813428
Your twitter follows don't count as friends.

>>2813434
I thought those stories weren't real? Make up your mind, polturd.

>>2813438
More likely to happen than you losing your v card? 🫪

>by
By who anon, don't leave us hanging

Here's your communist party buddy.
Here's your socialist state.
LMAOOOO

>>2813455
>An American oligarch, a Taiwanese oligarch and a South African oligarch humiliated into saluting the red flag.

This is beautiful.

>>2813455
clearly AI

>>2813466
>India
does he know?

>>2813460
>AESissy falls for fake image
Third world uncle behavior

>>2813478
Just because it’s AI generated doesn’t mean it doesn’t convey the truth

>>2813460
Ok but the chinese proles are the ones working in their factories to benefit them

>>2813483
The Chinese proletariat is in command of the Chinese state and directly benefits from the building of productive forces

>>2813482
u mad?

>>2813485
Damn collecting rent must feel really good if you're willing to get decapitated for it.

it's farcical. one day trump and xi give each other sloppy toppy 69 in the middle of tiananmen square in show of PRC-USA cooperation. the next, the USA will bomb Cuba and destroy the infrastructure that the PRC donated to help the Cubans.

>>2813513
Trump officially conceded sovereignty over Taiwan to China, an enormous victory for socialism that heavily outweighs some crypto-Falangist shithole being turned into more of a colony than it already was

>start war that will soon destroy Global South industrialization and competition
>China invests $1 trillion in USA industrialization

He can't keep getting away with it! He's literally the greatest to ever do it.

>>2811936
>reportedly considering
Have you people forgotten already how Westoids sperged out when China bought and built companies in the West last decade? And that was under dems and libs. And now oil lobby Trump wants China to come in and bite into American declining industries directly?

>>2813332
>a narcissistic family member who would always have their little meltdown a day before another person's birthday or upcoming vacation
<John Fetterman checked into Walter Reed Hospital for clinical depression on his son Karl's 14th birthday, February 15, 2023. This moment was particularly poignant for him, as he expressed sadness about missing the celebration

>>2813478
new bit: Third World Unc podcast

President Trump’s visit to China has ended.

I had predicted that there would be no tangible outcome from that trip:

Trump is coming to Beijing with his cap in his hand. He, as usual, will try to bluff a way to ‘victory’. He will proceed as if the U.S. were in a great position. The Chinese will be polite, but won’t have any of it.

There have been little preparations for the trip. The sherpas did not convene beforehand to straighten out serious issues between the countries. There are no big contracts or treaties to sign.

One hope had been to sell some 500 Boeing jets to several Chinese airlines. Returning from the trip Trump has claimed that China would buy 200 airplanes. The Chinese Foreign Ministry declined to confirm that. Boeing’s stock price dropped.

Some 20 company bosses had joined Trump on the trip. But there seem to have been no plans or tasks for any of them. No deals were made, no contracts were signed.

Trump offered to lift the U.S. blockade on the sales of some older NVIDIA AI chips to China. China declined as it now makes its own chips with similar characteristics.

The Chinese side spoke of a “new positioning” and a “constructive strategic stability” as major outcomes of the talks.

The “new positioning” is seeing the U.S. and China as equals with China being objectively in a better position.

The “constructive strategic stability” could be interpreted as an advise to the U.S. to shut up and stay quiet while China is doing its thing:

President Xi clearly pointed out that “constructive strategic stability” means positive stability with cooperation as the mainstay, healthy stability with competition within proper limits, constant stability with manageable differences, and lasting stability with expectable peace. These “four stabilities” paint a clear and feasible blueprint for China-US relations. It is not a stopgap measure, but a long-term approach. It is not a zero-sum game, but a mutual benefit and win-win cooperation. The “four stabilities” lead strategic stability with a constructive attitude and safeguard long-term development through strategic stability, fully demonstrating that China-US relations are a relationship between major powers fully capable of helping each other succeed and prospering together.

While Trump was in China some 30 Chinese ships moved through the Strait of Hormuz in coordination with the Iranian authorities. Given that Trump was in China the U.S. blockaders in the Arab Sea did not dare to make attempts to stop those ships. This has thus has set a precedence which will allow continues Chinese shipping.

For China the Strait is open.

>>2813455
new ben breaks down why this is based

Topics
0:00 Trump's visit to China
0:27 US trade war backfired
1:25 Trump joined by top CEOs
1:56 Elon Musk
2:20 Jensen Huang of Nvidia
2:47 Tim Cook of Apple
2:58 BlackRock and Blackstone
3:22 More CEOs with Trump
4:17 US CEOs meet Xi Jinping
5:31 USA is an oligarchy
6:23 China's massive market
6:57 Nvidia lost Chinese market
8:02 China's self-sufficiency drive
9:15 Manufacturing superpower
10:50 Tesla EVs made in Shanghai
11:25 US tariffs on Chinese EVs
12:21 China has the upper hand
13:00 US trade war
14:42 China-US trade
16:08 Rare earth elements
17:07 Critical minerals
18:18 New supply chain efforts
18:59 Pax Silica
19:41 Why US rhetoric changed
20:40 Iran war
22:51 US sanctions on China
24:20 Inflation in USA
25:41 Trump is very unpopular
26:33 K-shaped economy
27:25 Inequality
28:05 China exported deflation
29:31 US tariffs boost inflation
30:27 China in stronger position
31:07 Outro

>>2813354
america is killing itself and you want chinese proles to die for you and to do your proletarian revolution for you. "WHY ISNT XI SENDING HIS WORKERS TO DIE FOR ME? WHY ISNT HE STARTING GLOBAL THERMONUKE WAR TO LIBERATE ME?" grow up. you should be taking advantage of the moment but instead you're complaining a different country isn't doing it for you. just like you outsourced all the jobs to china you want to outsource the revolution too.

>China scores W
>ultroids and amerileftstylists seethe

o i am laffin

>>2813953
all they got is le handshake meme. sometimes a handshake is a ring kiss. they'd learn this if they weren't idealists who judged books by appearances.

I must admit it was satisfying to see Trump get humbled by a true statesmen. Narcissists always have a "death star vent" (if you'll forgive the pop culture reference, the one thing that pierces their otherwise adamantine armor of shamelessness. For Trump that is Xi, a clearly more intelligent yet strong leader with enormous leverage over the US.

>>2813956
in what sense did he humble him? as i saw it he rolled out the red carpet as if he was his king or some shit. it was embarrassing.

>>2813983
watch this >>2813949 and it will become clear
>i'm not watching your fucking slop you faggot
yeah yeah, i know. and if i typed it all out for you, you would cry chat gpt

>>2813980
Its an interesting development that the US is willing to throw Taiwan under the bus under Trump regime.

>>2814041
perhaps american porky is sober enough to realize they'd actually lose an existential conflict with china

>>2814041
i saw one of these chinese commenters suggest that US planners know that re-unification of some sort is inevitable. so the plan will be to shit the place up so that taiwan becomes a poison pill to re-integrate. this means making sure all the profits from the semicondocter industry stay in the US. this means supporting pro-independence and student groups. not enough to gain actual independence. but enough to hassle and and drain resources for beijing.

Do we really believe China won't impose itself on the world? What's China's long game here?

>>2814189
Power is power. And power tends to expand and preserve itself

>>2814191
>>2814193
How many colonies in Africa does China have? How many millions of child slaves are toiling away to make treats for the Chinese pmc? How many countries has China invaded? How many genocides have they committed?

>>2814196
The deals China has made with Africa greatly benefit China. Africa is on the losing side. There is literal slavery in China (yes Chinese people so what). And the reason they have not mlitarily expanded is because that would lead to war against the US.

We will have to see how it plays out. A benevolent State? Not in my book

>>2814205
Is the first image real or AI? Also why are there English words in the last two images?

>>2814211
i've been seeing the "follow our party start your business" since 2021 so i'm pretty sure it's not

https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/fl2jx2/follow_our_party_start_your_business_2010s/
https://asiapowerwatch.com/corporate-appointments-in-soes-the-three-circles-of-chinas-economic-strategy/
https://qz.com/1102948/chinas-communist-party-is-all-in-on-the-power-of-technology-and-thats-tricky-for-its-tech-giants

the phrase seems to be all over shenzen

>>2814205
You’re so right anon! How dare those oriental subhumans live in actual houses and eat actual food! Don’t they know that communism is when third world scum live in abject poverty for the benefit of the herrenvolk in the west?

>>2814217
the soviet union managed to live in actual houses and eat actual food without submitting to the idea they'd need a huge private sector

>>2814220
Stills hadn’t completed socialization

>>2814242
>We had socialization under feudalism but you marxist cocksuckers took that away
Holy shit, a feudalist.

>>2814242
>We had socialization under feudalism but you marxist cocksuckers took that away
where

>>2814248
>>2814251
You’re killing me guy.

>>2814248
Governments still get toppled by social movements though, especially in a crisis of accumulation. Nepal, Portugal, all of the Soviet sphere of influence, color revolutions, etc. I'm sorry you can't LARP a peasant insurgency in 2026 anon.

>>2814220
They were crushed by america, so soviet decision making was obviously wrong. China presents much more of a threat to america than the soviet project ever did
>Every step of real movement is more important than a dozen programmes. - karl marx

>>2813487
The party allows both the bourgeoisie and proletarians to join, over 9% of the Chinese population is in the CPC. Even the liberal wing of the CPC at this point acknowledges the consequence of this as a departure from proletarian socialism into "a results based“ socialism of the type post-1914 european social democrats and New Dealers like Bernie Sanders would advocate for.

>>2814276
>mentally stuck in the 90's
plastic bullshit comes from indonesia and india now. you will NEVER see sophisticated chinese treats like electric cars in america except for people who bought it in mexico and canada

>>2814275
The CIA can only intervene on behalf of those social forces it deems favorable to its interests, those of the aggregate of the unitedstatesian bourgeoisie. It has therefore historically only been able to help one side against the other, with failures and successes. The main decisive factors behind the victory of those social movements still lie within society itself. That was the case in most of the examples I brought up. In most of the former Warsaw Pact countries, CIA help was minimal or superfluous to the larger picture. Where the CIA plays a larger role is in coopting the results of these movements and ideological direction.

>>2814288
We call that the based proletarian export of capital

>>2814282
And the results speak for themselves, because communism isn’t a set of utopian policies but the REAL MOVEMENT

>>2814296
You will never not see 'made in china' at the store, but the small low tech low margin plastic garbage got offshored to other countries long ago since chinese labor is no longer cheap

>>2814300
Cool. But you should just be a Democrat or an SPD fan instead of talking about socialism then

>>2814302
india and bangladesh birthrates just fell below replacement, and they're poor as fuck. western bourgeois economists were BTFO when their prediction that china would grow old before they got rich turned out to be wrong

>>2814309
what point are you even trying to make??

>>2814307
Really, is that why the Seepissy raised the retirement age in China? Because everyone was getting rich before they got old?

nah see whats gonna happen is china being the only nation that has the will and capability of social change will tweak chinese society in a way that naturally encourages the labor pool to replenish over time at the same time every other global population is declining and will eventually replace the planet with Chinese long term

>>2814313
Retirement age is raise scientifically in accordance with public health and lifespan, boosting productive forces and uplifting society.

>>2814313
China is rich compared to India, controversial take ik

Marxism is the ultimate form of anticommunism

>>2814318
Wealth and job and house hoarding boomers in every country, move out the way and die

>>2814318
I'm glad the CPC finally proletanized those old fucks. They thought they could live like kings off the lumpenbourgeois retirement dollar while the young working class toils

>>2814305
I’m sorry that China’s success triggers you so much

>>2814323
Anarchists have been right all along. Funny thing is Marx was not even a socialist thinker. He just described capital.

>>2814328
It’s literally the same success as America in the 1950s, China will be in the exact same spot America is in right now in 50 years

>>2814326
In imperialism, retirement age increases and life span decreases like france. In Communist China, life span increases and retirement age increases in scientific proportion. When china starts 3d printing organs and cybernetic body parts and lifespan increases to 200 years, retirement CANNOT be ~150 years.

>>2814330
>bro theres no point ever succeeding at anything cause eventually you will fail some day

ok? why even be alive then, it's only temporary.

not to mention the world will be a very different place in 50 years

>>2814332
Choke on bat noodles and pork you piece of shit

>>2814328
I don't have a problem with China, they make solar panels and cool electric cars, the rail is impressive too. That's not socialism though

>>2814335
Die neolib

>>2814332
Based. The imperialist treatler lash out at the state for welfare benefits so he can be a lazy bum. China understands that this lifestyle cannot be sustained and that the supermarket can't stay open without cashier. It's dialectical materialist approach to retirement and the elderly.

>>2814342
Drill a hole in your head and pour chili oil, it’ll make smarter

Okay look I get the point of SWCC, and while I dont agree with it I can at least appreciate the strategy of state planned capitalist development to get ahead of the competition. But at this point where China is happily talking about "peaceful coexistance" and trade relations with THE empire without so much as blinking, I'm not really sure what about China makes them socialist other than the ruling party being called the communist party and flying a lot of red flags. It's a successful state sure, but that's not socialism.

>>2814355
Seems like you haven't kept up with the sweeping measures the Chinese government to reform the education system, such as outlawing private cram schools completely and forcing rotations on teachers to ensure uniform educational quality.

>>2814357
Is this what end-stage liberalism leads to? Viewing world politics on history through the lense of partisan American red-vs-blue politics?

>>2814360
I used to think that bed-time discourse was a joke and an exaggeration but literally coplaining about fucking homework and school exams is dangerously close and to reality and satire fusing.

>>2814041
Trump only cares about TSMC. You give him that, and he'll happily look the other way during any reunification effort. Only thing stopping China now is confidence in their own semiconductor production capabilities

>>2814366
I literally went to university in China so these scare stories you people are incritically repeating are hilarious.

>>2814373
>putting the entire future and honor of a family and community on a standardized test is retarded

The racist orientalism here is off the charts. Honor of the family, fucking really? lmaooo but we already know Westerners like you love education systems that are pay2win where the rich are allowed unlimited cheating and nepotism is rife.

>>2814377
Yes we know anti-leftists like you love to destroy public education, hate literacy campaigns and hate it when children get taught about biology and their reproductive system.

>>2814380
>The actual communist position is having the same political viewpoints as an American republican

Ok buddy.

>>2814383

>Republicans aren’t anti education, they’re pro private and religious education

This is wrong. They are pro-private education only insofar as to who can afford it. When it comes to 90% of the people on the planet that are not able to afford a comprehensive education their views are strictly identical to yours. Abolishing public education means effectively abolishing education for ever prole.

>>2814388
Is the reason why you oppose biology lessons for children that it makes it harder for you people to abuse them?

>>2814383
But anarchoGODS how will we run supply chains for medicine if nobody goes to school?

>>2814392
spoken like the Republican you are

>>2814400
Well good luck with that because the winning ain't stopping soon.

Its so funny how westoids are losing so bad, they are only capable of incompetent rage and muddying the water using marxist and anti imperialist terms on a message board with only a dozen active users
Im already edging when thinking about your inevitable sociatal collapse in the mear future

>>2814041
Taiwan elected a Kuomintang pro-reunification lady

>>2814442
if you went back in time and stopped the drake well as it was being built nothing would have changed. so you are being undialectical.

>>2814179
>perhaps american porky is sober enough to realize they'd actually lose an existential conflict with china
the problem with burger porky is burger porky is bipolar. so if "conservatives" become "soft" on china, "liberals" will become "hard" on china. We saw the same dynamic with Russia.

>>2814475
no. get a life worth living.

>>2814183
>this means supporting pro-independence and student groups. not enough to gain actual independence. but enough to hassle and and drain resources for beijing.
i mean yeah, also they gonna ship factories to the us lol

>>2814489
>The only life worth living is burning the twin enemies of humanity, China and America, death to capitalism
China supports Iran against Israel/USA/Gulf Monarchies.
China supports Russia and Donbass against NATO.
China bails Africa out of IMF loans.

America is the imperialist hegemon with 800 offshore bases, CIA torture dungeons, and the ability to coup anyone who tries to practice economic sovereignty.

To pretend these two things are the same, and worthy of equally harsh criticism, is to serve Washington.

>>2814502
i'll care about them when they choose to actually do something to stop america from raping other people with the significant global power they have instead of just offering to help them get cleaned up after

>>2814526
>with the significant global power they have
They dont, yet

>>2814508
>China literally saved American capitalism
lol you construct this narrative one-sidedly and undialectically without considering the alternative or what was at stake. What China did was make America dependent on Chinese productive forces while slowly weakening America's capacity to defend itself. It was the strategically wise move in an era where the CIA would just coup your country and plunge it into barbarism if you weren't an American orbiter. I've explained this hundreds of times on here and I never get any real counter arguments, just the same idealist whining about how it would have happened better in your head if you were in charge. From the perspective of a baby leftist, all smart moves are opportunism, and all badass self righteous suicide is ideologically pure.

>>2814526
>i'll care about them when
notice how the leftcoms and puritans always think their personal approval is the most important thing for china to consider

>>2814543
Maoists don't consider China to be a socialist country. Read a book

>>2814526
>stop america from raping other people with the significant global power they have instead of just offering to help them get cleaned up after
this is like screaming at the medics who show up after a mass shooting because they didn't stop the shooter, absolutely deranged behavior with zero perspective

>>2814546
It's a smart national strategy while it lasted, nothing to do with socialism though. Btw China has been moving into export of capital for the past few years
>>2814552
Now while I agree with the Maoists in their assessment of the capitalist character of the Chinese political economy, the NPA is not worth helping. They're unpopular in the Phillipines and mostly known for terrorism, stealing shit and robbing people in rural areas

>>2814526
>Chinamans burden
retard

>>2814557
>Btw China has been moving into export of capital for the past few years
Are you saying that China helping Africa to develop is imperialism, again? When all the capitalist nations in the world instead vacuuming up African money, invest into cheapest possible manual labor in Africa, and reinvest profits into American AI companies?

>>2814554
when i say china i clearly mean the chinese government, the people you complain aren't doing enough you pedantic goon. if you actually meant the chinese proletariat isn't doing enough to stop america that's even more deranged. the only proletariat with the power to stop a nuclear-armed government is its own. stop expecting the based JDPON to show up and stop america for you, if you're a burger. you have to liberate yourself. if that sounds "nationalist" i'm sorry, that's the nature of the post-1945 world.
>>2814557
>It's a smart national strategy while it lasted,
yes
>nothing to do with socialism though
i think only time can tell here. your suspicion is warranted but your conclusion is premature.
> Btw China has been moving into export of capital for the past few years
i hate this reduction of imperialism to simply "exporting capital"
every nation "exports capital."
what does it actually mean? net exports? having dependent markets? imperialism is advanced monopoly capitalism. it is a global system. And AES nations exist within an imperialist context and are forced to seize power within an imperialist context. especially after nukes. it's not 1917 anymore. it's not even 1945 anymore.
>>2814561
>Are you saying that China helping Africa to develop is imperialism, again? When all the capitalist nations in the world instead vacuuming up African money, invest into cheapest possible manual labor in Africa, and reinvest profits into American AI companies?
Anons have this confusion because they are unable to distinguish the anti-developmental loan sharking of the US with the let's be generous to them and call it "social imperialism" of China which actually rapidly develops dependent nations the same way the US did with Japan in the 19th century, before it realized this is a "mistake" in terms of pure sociopathic zero sum game theory, because it results in "near peer rivals"

>>2814564
capitalism has been imperialism globally for over 100 years. the mistake here is looking at "imperialist" as a boolean variable belonging to the country object.

>>2814566
>>2814564
Anons straight up declare that acting not like a capitalist country means you are a capitalist country. It's that simple. Everyone plunders Africa to invest profits into America - and if China doesn't do this, this means that China plans to do this anyway!

Westerner always amaze me with the arrogance they are judging another socialist project while never having themselves staged a successful revolutionary project ever.

>>2814564
>haiti is imperialist for exporting tablets to america
read marx

>>2814583
and what does that mean, for you?

>>2814585
Cheap means China is weak, obivously. If China was strong, they would be selling at higher prices, aka what Westoids are doing whenever they are in a strong position

>>2814587
You don't like when your goods are affordable? Consult the pic: everythign not made in China grew in price.

>>2814587
>China is part of the status quo needed to be destroyed, after my government is gone I’m coming for yours
my government is the USA though

>>2814588
>Cheap means China is weak, obivously. If China was strong, they would be selling at higher prices, aka what Westoids are doing whenever they are in a strong position
do you know what dollar hegemony is and what's currently happening to it?

>everyone who doesnt dickride the people's stock market is a hecking westoid
why are dengoids like this? I bet most dengoids here are members of socdem parties in the imperial core

>>2814599
stinky bait

>>2814561
Yeah. Any sufficiently developed capitalist economy is imperialist
>>2814566
I'm talking about Chinese companies moving their manufacturing to SEA and Africa, as well as the resource deals they've been engaging in as part of the BRI
>conclusion is premature
I didn't conclude that they won't transition into socialism at one point, but that would require a revolution on the part of the Chinese proletariat, which puts China in the same boat as other countries. Maybe it's possible that the government will aid the class in its endeavour if the time comes, but I'm not optimistic given their current corporatist stance on labor organizing and how widespread revisionism is in the party.

>>2814573
>>2814577
>>2814580
>>2814581
>>2814583
let's steelman the ultras instead of strawmanning them. i.e. let's charitably interpret their assertion that china is "imperialist" and agree. Now let's critique that statement by its own logic and take it to its natural conclusion.

Is "imperialism" just a boolean variable that you can switch on and off like light in a room?

Is it a pejorative insult for countries you don't like?

these aren't rhetorical questions. Actually use your brains and answer them.

no, imperialism is a global system, and if china is "not" socialist then why are you begging for it to act like a socialist.

No the criticism of china is all of a tone which implies that they're doing something immoral, while implying that they could be doing things differently, yet the same people who take this tone explicitly say china isn't socialist. by that logic they are capitalist, imperialist, and can act no other way until the proletariat does something about it. but these people bring the proletariat not one step closer to doing that.

But let's interpret the ultras charitably again and imperialism really is something that is a quality of the country rather than a global system. it's a thing china is, rather than the world. imperialism can be turned on and off for reach country. that begs the question, is the "chinese" imperialism different than the "american" imperialism? Why for example does china do loan forgiveness? why does china build road, schools, and hospitals in dependent countries? Why doesn't China coup, sanction, embargo, or bomb countries? Why doesn't china do structural adjustment programs? It seems that given a choice between "chinese" imperialism and "american" imperialism the national boureoisie of the global south always choose the "lesser" evil and the "better" deal. Why is that?

>>2814611
>Because they market themselves as such
so you believe in the marketing of a (by your logic) capitalist country? that's dumb.

>>2814616
your priorities are completely wrong in this situation. if china really is capitalist and not socialist, then stop begging your class enemies to do real socialism for you

if china is really socialist and not capitalist, then your disagreements with them should be purely of a nature of critical support, that they are taking the wrong path in their quest for socialism

but ultras want it both ways. they want to criticize china wihtout doing anything themselves, but they also want to treat china as a class enemy worthy of destruction rather than an ally worthy of criticism.

they also treat imperialism as a light switch that individual countries can turn on and off rather than the global quality of the mode of production. they say "exporting cheap crap to american fatasses" is imperialism because imperialism is "when you export capital"

>>2814617
do you want me to say "that was bad" as if they are a socialist country doing socialism wrong or do you want me to say "they are capitalist, they are imperialist, and must be destroyed"?

>>2814607
>It seems that given a choice between "chinese" imperialism and "american" imperialism the national boureoisie of the global south always choose the "lesser" evil and the "better" deal
Was China the lesser evil and better deal when they supported the Mujahideen against Afghan communists or Contras against Sandinistas or Duterte against the CPPh or Pinochet against the Chilean united front?

>>2814607
based

>>2814623
i haven't mentioned karl marx once in this conversation let alone "treat him as a God." I have a few criticisms of Marx but right now I'm focusing on the logic of the conversation you are taking a part in rather than Karl Marx. If you would like to shift your goalposts that's fine just don't pretend I won't notice.

>>2814607
China is just a capitalist country that pretends to be communist, just like the USSR. It's not complicated.

Told y'all that peaceful reunification was in the best interest of all parties except for a couple of butthurt KMT nationalist hardliners.

>>2814624
>Was China the lesser evil and better deal when they supported the Mujahideen against Afghan communists or Contras against Sandinistas or Duterte against the CPPh or Pinochet against the Chilean united front?
notice how the dengbot goes radio silent on this? its because the average dengoid is a western socdem (imperialist), for them dengoid PRC is indeed the lesser evil against all those "thirdie commies"

>>2814657
Half the people USSR supported were communists only in name, easily switching sides whenever it was convenient for them. Besides, USSR was playing stupid games, like putting millions large military on Chinese border and trying to encircle China - alongside USA. All of this merely because China didn't condemn Stalin.

Like, come on now. Losing democratic Chile was obviously bad, but pretending like Chileans felt much change? Please.

Afghan communists actually wanted to be like DPRK in being a neutral country between China and USSR. Besides, Afghani mujahideen and Pakistani ones were a different thing, with Afghanis fighting Pakistani ones, and even today Pakistani mujahideen are anti-China and are rabidly pro-US, while Afghani ones are no worse than Iran's Ayatollah.

All China's support to Duterte amounted to construction equipment that might have been used for building military bases. We went over the files, lmao

>>2814657
Every side was LARPing to get gibs

>>2814672
>but pretending like Chileans felt much change? Please.
what exactly do you mean by this?

>>2814705
At large, they didn't care enough to come out to defend Chile against Pinochet. Oh, later they learned, alright, but at the time? Chicago boys were no different to them than that American retard who tried to build them a planned economy based on planners sitting in chairs and swiping left or right on whatever decisions were presented to them.

>>2814705
>>2814713
In a sense, it's what's happening in Argentina, despite the oh so obvious to leftists understanding that leftist Argentine government was better, Argentinians themselves for some reason voted for Millei. And even re-voted for him. If leftist government was so good, why's this enigma? Are leftists wrong, or Argentinians stupid?

>>2814672
>Half the people USSR supported were communists only in name,
so?

>>2814641
>i have no arguments so i hurl slurs and violate rule 11
we know

>>2814634
>>2814637
>>2814641
zero arguments detected

>>2814629
and what are your feelings about america?

>>2814637
>fake socialists offend me
moments after complaining about marx and trying to shift the goalposts this rings hollow

>>2814657
I didn't go silent on it. here's my answer, china shouldn't have supported those things, but the US was still doing way more material actions to actually make it happen. like the afghan mujahideen were shooting down soviet helicopters with american stingers, not chinese weapons. until china literally has 800 offshore bases and is couping, sanctioning, embargoing, invading, loan sharking, union busting, etc. every single socialist country, it is the "lesser" "evil". i can whittle both those words down to the bare nub of their meaning if you want.

>>2814652
>Told y'all that peaceful reunification was in the best interest of all parties except for a couple of butthurt KMT nationalist hardliners.
Those guys have been dead as a tendency for years. It's either people that want peace with the Mainland or pro-Japanese separatists. There's probably a fuckton of Japanese dark money that's been sent to Taiwan to prop up pro-independence sentiments at least since the 1990s. Recently, Taiwan inaugurated a Shinzo Abe memorial, complete with Japanese flags. I think if Chiang had to choose between the "Communist bandits" and the literal descendants of pro-Japanese collaborators, he'd choose the former in a heartbeat.

>>2792370
Mexico ia trying according to my morenista uncle

>>2814726
Because youre illiterate lmao

Today I will remind them:

>>2814809
you never have anything to add to a conversation. your existence is purely subtractive

The reason leftists are so easily convinced China is socialist is because they basically have no problem with capitalism as long as it "delivers the goods". Remember these are the same people who slobbered over Bernie not too long ago . As long as theres economic growth and wage increases, leftists are happy.

Ironically, thats the same reason communism hasnt made progress almost anywhere in the world, because in the past 50 years, the vast majority of countries have seen massive improvements in standard of living. Most people are far more motivated by identity politics (muh nation, muh religion, muh revanchism, muh ethnicity).

>>2814777
>like the afghan mujahideen were shooting down soviet helicopters with american stingers, not chinese weapons
China actually was the source of most of the small arms for the Mujahideen. You can see it in the photos, a lot of Chinese made AKs, RPDs, etc. It takes a bit of gun autism to spot, but most of the rifles in this photo for example are Chinese (the easiest way to identify them is the lack ofba muzzle break and a fully hooded front sight). The basic system was Chinese weapons, bought with American money, delivered by Pakistan.

>>2814541
>>2814548
>>2814551
>>2814560
china does things in china's self interest, which is not a bad thing, but it's not the liberator of the proletariat either.

>>2814551
yeah, while the medic goes over to the mass shooter's house for beer every night too, and continues to do so.

to pretend that china is just completely helpless and unable to do anything but watch on while the US does atrocities is insulting to both our intelligence. It still falls on the american proletariat to stop the US.

>>2814813
i suggest you stop drinking so much alcohol

>>2814906
Then China should stop selling beer and baijiu

>>2814825
stop drinking and quit begging for nuclear hellfire while slandering the real movement

>>2814907
I agree actually but you should still stop drinking

>>2814801
Tell your uncle he is an inbreed retard

>>2814724
Make another thread about me on /meta/

>>2814726
Kill yourself Lassalle

What makes China so attracted to zionism? Do they just enjoy watching some brown children get murdered or are stolen palestinian homes such a lucrative piece of property to make money with?

>>2814911
everyone finds you unpleasant

>>2814915
why do you ask loaded questions? do you just enjoy wasting our time?

>>2814921
Die mad about it

>>2814922
A true communist warrior with dengoid characteristics would say that China has never heard of Israel and has already pressed the communism button since they totally believe in the marxist vision and holy texts

>>2814823
Yes, why?

>>2814400
you're going to drink yourself to death

>>2814940
>the global south have all killed each other off in racial holy wars
Don't see much of this, though? It's First World that murdered each other this way

Could someone give me a quick rundown on the hukou system? Dividing the populace into strictly defined urban and rural classes with distinct rights seems totally antithetical to communism, but I'm open to the idea that there's nuance I'm missing as an outsider.

>>2815157
>Baizuos glaze China
Do they, though?

if you think about it the CPC is just a cheap copy of the mexican PRI during ISI

>>2815157
Doesn't the U.S. have a higher incarceration rate than China? Even with soft on crime policies? The American people must be the world's most criminal reprobates. Another 100 billion to the prison industry, please.

>>2815157
>Welfarism leads to stagnantion and lack of spirit in development
stagnation in the west? great! why would i want the west active and developing

>>2815231
>The American people must be the world's most criminal reprobates
you say it like its not a well known fact

>>2815172
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>>2815234
Baizuos detected. You have no honor. You have no good-faith arguments. You hide behind irony to mask your black hearts. You are the left wing of capital.

>>2814896
>Revolution begins with yourself. Auygh cracked from the outside is food; cracked from the inside is new life
you're a fucking moron if you heap responsibility on china for liberating the rest of the planets proletariat

>>2815243
they can't even liberate their own proletariat and uyghas want them to be liberated by em smh