Last night someone posted a bunch of zines that were allegedly tied to "juche cult", and they didn't seem fake at all one even had a website from the 90s.
>>the zine that stood out to me was the one from like 15 years ago that was a memorial to the founders of juche cult thought, and in the image, I see at least 2 people who were moderators for the site "420chan" holding up ak 47s and anti capitalist banners on some farm in the midwest, during the invasion board days era, leftypol looking types ya know, but i know them, real channers in the picture who i chatted with and have the names of, but then in another picture there was an image of the individuals in a run down looking church, only a few white people there, in some type of group meeting, very different crowd, but the alleged juche cult founders still there in photo.
One of the people's names led to a inactive blank facebook page that had a bunch of north korean intelligence and psychological stuff in it, which is possibly connected to their idea of manipulating the subconscious through dreams? This is the part I'm most interested in, so please don't ban this thread, I did save the pdf, but I'm not going to repost it for whatever reason, maybe one of the mods is in the images, or maybe it's just not a good look. I know this is rightfully a rabbit hole the mods here want to close off, especially seeing that the modding community from the chans was right there in the zine, holding a banner and ak47s on a farm called "the field".
>>but I want to know more ABOUT THIS psychological field. lets discuss it?
TL;DR i actually find this topic on the dreams and subconscious mind control very interesting. this is what the thread is about that part of this story, not the Juche meme, please, and thank you.
I think the "Juche cult" is just a fanfic but some autist from Baltimore
>>2794558Then why did Maoist Rebel news post about the murders years ago, and it all matches up with the zines? if an art project has actual bodies tied to the story, then that art project is a cult. The pictures in the zines, the quotes, all of it matched up with what jason and the posters here claimed. i think its something truthful that reached exaggerated urban legend status, idk.
I didn't wanna get drug into that discussion really, that's beside the point. I REALLLY want to look into this psychological aspect of things, dream theories, neuro linguistic programming, i mean yeah we gotta admit this is all oddly real seeming, like this facebook page is old as fuck, matches up the timelines, so its definitely a long running troll.
BUT WHAT IS NEURO LINGUISTIC PROGRAMMING AND HOW CAN THIS PLAY INTO THE CONTROL OF THE SUBCONCIOUS AND DREAMS?
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2794570What does any of this have to do with some alleged Juche Cult?
Somebody told me they would gib money to poor ppl can i have it
>>2794578The mods keep deleting the threads. People keep digging into the juche cult myth from someone who used to post here, trying to find realities behind it, others have shared their stories that seem related, some real, some fake, as the internet goes. Some people have actually come across some juicy things that seem connected to this, so the mods deleted the threads.
>>One person in the earlier threads posted a big story wall of text about a juche cult they met in maryland>>They forced members to keep dream logs, then do dream recitement>>They believed bourgeoise tendencies existed in the subconscious and manifested through dreams>>They did group sessions to remove these subconscious bourgeoise tendencies >>thread delete>>new one pops up, full of speculation>>someone posts zine about dreams>>uses the same language from threads stories>>more zines pop up>>get actual names we can look into>>look into the rabbit hole of one of the persons facebook networks>>find inactive blank facebook>>see the screenshot in OPHope this helps. I did screenshot the dream zine, but I didnt save the pdf. sorry
>>2794578kk, so the people in that memorial zine apparently founded Juche ideology. At first I thought they were just using real names and stories to add flavor to the story, you know? But then I actually looked into the ideology behind the guy in Jason's video. It says pretty clearly that he held Maoist, anarchist, and Juche ideas in what they call "productive tension." Which is, like, Juche Poster to a T.
I'm gonna post some screenshots for context, but honestly we shouldn't derail the thread. Also, nobody's said a single thing about the dream stuff yet. Kind of weird.
Mind control and dreams is something psychology has been looking at for decades.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7581699/ >>2794578who wants to form a new chapter???
JUCHE SUMMERJUCHE SUMMERJUCHE SUMMERJUCHE SUMMERJUCHE SUMMERJUCHE SUMMERJUCHE SUMMER >>2794598>At first I thought they were just using real names and stories to add flavor to the story, you know? But then I actually looked into the ideology behind the guy in Jason's video. It says pretty clearly that he held Maoist, anarchist, and Juche ideasok but being a pan Marxist/Leftist including Juche doesn't get a person to the Baltimore Juche cult
>>2794598that picture of him is clearly AI
>>2794615The worst part about A.I being available to the population is people are so paranoid about everything being A.I.
Gen Z doesn't know that in 2012 people used filters that make images look like A.I and by the way "look like A.I" shows the problem with ai image generation, no no, everything a.i does looks like HUMAN lmao.
>>2794555>>2794570>>2794593Read the room juche schizo. Nobody wants you here.
You have a whole board over at
>>>/siberia/, so stop posting here you ingratiate cunt.
>>2794614Yeah, well a distributed vanguard apparently is hard to detect entry points to if you are not directly involved cause it's not something meant to draw in people overtly and i saw a bunch of videos hour long classes from radicials on this following this rabbithole. but I don't know, the zine shows them together in a room full of brothers from philly and Baltimore before their deaths, then in another with 420chan mods, i'm going to assume theres some heavy grains of truth to all of this.
but this is as i guessed, getting derailed to all shit because people enjoy a good mystique thread. People love chasing bigfoot. I'm more interested in the dream topic.
>>Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) is a controversial approach to communication, personal development, and psychotherapy that gained popularity in the late 20th century. It posits that subjective experience is structured and can be "reprogrammed" to achieve desired outcomes, but it is widely criticized as a pseudoscience lacking empirical support >>2794635I'm not the one directing these topics and I didn't make the last thread, youre the same schizo nerd that told someone else we were the same person in the last thread. Whats your beef with the juche and maoist rebel news any way? what is your self interest in constantly mass reporting threads that mention them?
>>2794640
You say this every time though.
You're not close to as smart you think you are. Ev3ryone sees right through this.
Get friends or fuck off and hang yourself with a nice sturdy rope.
>>2794637How is this our problem?
Leftypol is not your blog, burgerfaggot.
>>2794645It's obvious now. The fedfags want to bury the murders of Juche members into history and call it schizo. And now they're even telling people who are interested in them to kill themselves something that allegedly already happened to some of them. You can't even see a thread about Juche pop up without them fantasizing about "finishing the job."
Why would a thread about a supposed "LARP" make someone so angry that they start dreaming about the Juche people dying? This is a fed.
Fuck this. I'm a supporter. Everyone start a chapter, JUCE FUCKING SUMMER BABY. JUSTICE FOR DEANDRE, JUSTICE FOR MARTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV_gXDgTwxILINKING JASONS VIDEO AS A FUCK YOU TO THE FEDS TRYING TO BURY THEIR CRIMES
Fuck the feds. Long live Juche Gang.
>>2794645>>hang yourself with a nice sturdy rope
>>Danye Jones, the 24-year-old son of Ferguson activist Melissa McKinnies, was found hanging from a tree behind his family’s home on October 17, 2018.
>>McKinnies, a prominent figure in the Ferguson protests following Michael Brown’s 2014 shooting>>Claimed her son was lynched in retaliation for her activism, posting graphic photos online with the message, >>“They lynched my baby,” before Facebook removed the content.
>>Despite the official findings, McKinnies and activist allies disputed the conclusion, citing
>>A packed overnight bag, suggesting he planned to leave with someone.
>>A bedsheet tied in military-style knots Jones allegedly couldn’t have known.
>>Bruises and facial injuries she claims were present but not documented.(same as marty rifles)
>>The sheet used in hanging not matching any from the family home.
>>The case remains controversial, part of broader concerns over the deaths of multiple individuals connected to the anti-police protestsJUCHE BOY SUMMER
>>2794766They do but apparently it's controversial. They did MKULTRA at universities as well, that doesn't exactly make it less sketchy, being tied to an American educational institution. It's apparently related to subconsciously reprogramming or reeducating the brain. There's always been a link between psychology, social theory, and influencing minds. its used in marketing, politics, so its not exactly far fetched in theory.
>>Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) is frequently criticized for its potential to be used as a tool for manipulation and brainwashing, although practitioners argue it is a legitimate framework for personal development and communication. The controversy stems from NLP’s techniques, such as mirroring, anchoring, and reframing, which are designed to influence behavior and reprogram thought patterns, raising ethical concerns when used without consent or with deceptive intent. https://www.quora.com/Can-NLP-be-used-to-brainwash-someone Anybody wanna start a juche gang in LA
>>2794798Having a hard time finding any ways leftists have interacted with this psychological technique, but there's floods of psychologists, manipulators and self-help people borrowing the method on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jQ7Zqy6e8jQ^ this short sounds like it was written by the cult themselves lmfao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQiMFs2SIFkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_fdYhrk0Rc^ pretty in depth
feels like larpy
Deep sleeper asset "Songun 4" activate, key phrase "Kim Il Sung is my guiding light". Repeat 13 times and shed proxy persona.
>>The acronym "FEAR" is often used by social media psychology to describe two different processes. In the context of brainwashing, it refers to a hypnotic process for reprogramming the mind, while in cognitive psychology, it's a useful acronym for understanding the nature of irrational fear.
>>Focus - The technique starts by directing a person's full attention onto a specific concept, memory, or desired outcome. This intense concentration bypasses the critical, analytical part of the mind.This is what people reading the dreams out loud and hyper focusing on alternative outcomes to their dreams is.
>>Emotion - A very strong feeling is attached to the subject of this focus. This is often a negative feeling like fear, desperation, or inadequacy. Research suggests that the emotion from this state can be separated from the memory itself, allowing new, more positive emotions to be anchored to it (a common NLP technique)."The group identifies one element of bourgeois conditioning present in the dream"
"The group proposes the opposite dream. If a member dreamed of
fleeing, they must describe aloud a dream of fighting."
>>Agitation - This phase involves creating a state of confusion, instability, or heightened stress. This is done by disrupting a person's normal environment, sleep, or sense of certainty. This mental and physical exhaustion lowers psychological resistance, making the mind more vulnerable to influence.Punishment for failure to remember or log dreams, but punishment aimed to agitate people, the "struggle period" housing claims for individuals with "heavy petite-bourgeoise conditioning"
>>Repetition - The cycle of focus, emotion, and agitation is repeated continuously. This repetition is crucial, as the brain's neural pathways are strengthened by being frequently used and activated.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hypf4NEHng0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hypf4NEHng0&t=454s
>>Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) provides a set of "tools" that can be used to create the emotional anchors and cognitive patterns that the FEAR process relies on. While NLP itself is often used for beneficial self-improvement, various techniques can be weaponized to manipulate and control people. The link is that NLP provides the method for executing the steps.
>>Here is how NLP techniques relate to the FEAR model
>>Neuro - Creating a Focus involves directing someone's neurological pathways onto a specific thought. NLP uses techniques like "elicitation" and "calibration" to read a person's emotional state and steer their focus.
>>Linguistic - The use of Emotion is tied to specific language patterns. NLP employs metaphors, hypnotic language (Milton Model), and reframing to change the emotional meaning a person assigns to an event, person or object.
>>Programming - Agitation is achieved by "programming" confusion and uncertainty. NLP techniques can create a "loop" of confusion by using paradoxical commands or breaking a person's established thought patterns. The Repetition of these mind-control "programs" eventually writes the desired behavior into a person's autopilot.
>>For example, the NLP technique of "Collapsing Anchors", which collapses a negative emotional memory (fear) into a positive one (confidence), is a perfect example of this. Similarly, using NLP to Reframe a skeptical question as "resistance to healing" or a "sign of ego" (as seen in some groups) is a classic mind-control tacticsourced from pyschological blogs, comments.
>>2794901Out OP here makes endless threads and pretends to be different people and self-references between them. Utterly bizarre behaviour. Seemingly ram some blogs where he did the same thing, think he was a bit of a lulcow for a while in some spaces, from light googling, god only knows why he's come to harass us though.
>>2794896Theres already a juche gang in (apparently mostly spanish speaking) LA you just start your own formation apparently?
https://archiv.squat.net/squatbook1/index.htmlhttps://freegan.info/what-is-a-freegan/freegan-practices/squat-links/how-to-squat-a-building/if you are serious definitely look into squatting laws, but with the internet now in some areas it wouldnt be hard to look up the history of a building and find the whereabouts of the owner. theres a lot of properties you can even adversely repossess when the owners are dead and owe backtax, by paying the tax. some properties really will be in decent shape but forgotten or left by the owner for whatever reason
>>2795006The only problem is that juche is retarded
>>2795008But this is actually interesting, the OP topic at least, and
>>2794925I admit I don't understand the connection to juche, egoism, anarchism, Marxist-leninist-maoism or any of that, why is it connected and synthesized?? makes no sense to me. i get the other parts. what did north korea actually have a brainwashing camp for american leftists lmfao. that used to really be a thing there was foreign intelligence in civil rights movements helping individuals, which is why a lot of black men pledged to cubas revolution even if they didnt hold leftist ideals to a T, and I think huey p newton was also inspired by a mix of nihilism and maoism compared to other Leninists. didnt huey die in a drug deal gone wrong years after the panthers fell apart? unrelated kinda but interesting none the less.
I found merch. does this support the juche gang? i will buy them out just to piss off the feds
https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Juche-Gang-by-wpyhbesvj32/174053320/7sgkMore on the actual topic OP was referring to for sake of actually staying, ya know, on the topic of the OP?
>>That story about the Juche cult and their dream logs, it's not random crackpot shit, It's a low-tech, street-level application of the same underlying principles that the CIA, military intelligence, and various state agencies have been studying and weaponizing since the Cold War.
>>The idea that the “petite-bourgeoise” and other ills of society exist buried in the subconscious, and that the dream is the key to accessing, identifying, and purging them, is a radical, politicized version of depth psychology.
>>The practice of forcing members to recite new, ideologically-correct dream scripts and the lifestyles meant to cause agitation, the application of a behavioral modification system to the unconscious mind itself.
>>This is the legacy of the "mind control" era of psychology spilling over into politics like it always has
Do you guys know how much weird shit the CIA was doing? Its way deeper than just muh mk ultra. They were funding multiple psychologists experimenting with consciousness, the subconscious, and mind control. Even isolation tank's invention was funded by the CIA. Counter-cultures, politics, and this style of psychology cannot be discussed separately, because they were boiling in the same pots.
>>Out of this murky soup of research and counter-culture came Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). Founded in the 1970s by Richard Bandler and John Grinder, it's a system that claims to model the connection between neurological processes ("neuro"), language ("linguistic"), and behavioral patterns learned through experience ("programming").
>>In its edgier form, NLP is a toolkit for hacking the subconscious. Its techniques for building rapport, anchoring emotions, and employing hypnotic language patterns are essentially the same thing that was being described in the thread
If true, the Juche "dream" method isn't isolated or new. It's yet another independent re-invention of a very old psychological wheel. The state created the blueprint for mind control through university psychologist.
>>NLP social media figures commercialized the toolkit for these strategies and failed venture capitalists like Chase Hughes have now rebranded it to market it to the self help world
So how does all of this look in practice, actually?
>>A new member, let's call him Steve, shows up to the morning session. He reads his dream log
I dreamed I was walking home late at night. A police car pulled up beside me. The officer rolled down the window and told me I shouldn't be out this late. I felt scared and just nodded, then hurried away. I woke up feeling guilty.
>>The group doesn't interpret the dream. They just identify one "petty‑bourgeois" element. In this case deference to authority. Steve deferred to the cop in the dream, he didn't fight, he didn't run, didn't question him, he just obeyed.
>>The group then guides him to remove and replace that element. They ask "What would a revolutionary do?" Steve says: "Not obey. Maybe hide. Or confront."
>>They craft a new dream script, "I was walking home. A police car pulled up. Instead of waiting, I slipped into a doorway and watched them drive past. Then I continued home, feeling alert but not afraid."
>>Steve recites this new dream aloud to the group. They repeat it several times. He's then told to visualize it before sleep.
>>The mechanism, over time, the old subconscious pathway (fear of police > freeze/submit) gets overwritten by the new pathway (fear of police > evasion).
>>The daily repetition, the emotional weight of the group's attention, and the mild punishment (e.g., no decision‑making power until compliance) all reinforce the new response.
>>Immediately after the dream work, the group supposedly moved into an intense physical workout with pushups, sprints, calisthenics, done in unison until everyone is gasping and drenched. This isn't exercise alone. It's likely a deliberate part of the reprogramming loop.
>>The physical stress floods Steve's brain with cortisol and adrenaline, putting it into a state of heightened neuroplasticity. The new dream script, just recited, gets literally etched into his neural pathways while his brain is most malleable.
>>The workout is also uncomfortable, hard, aversive, and Steve quickly learns that he can overcome that with the group. subconsciously yet convincingly he internalizes the corrected dream, associating rewiring the dream with the group achievement of morning exercise followed by meal
>>The shared pain releases endorphins, too. this is not metaphysical speculation. It bonds Steve to the group chemically, making him more likely to accept their reality as his own. And finally, the physical exertion makes the new ideological response embodied much easier.
>>Steve doesn't just think about evading the cop; after repeatedly pushing his body to exhaustion while holding that image, his nervous system learns the response too. The dream work stays cognitive; the workout moves it down into the autonomic nervous system
>>Eventually, Steve's subconscious shifts. He no longer automatically fears the cop. He scans for exits.
This is why the Marines scream at you, attempting to break your ego down, and then rewrite you according to the group. This is why group workouts are so important amongst soldiers, its not simply about fitness. The intense uncomfortable group fitness arguably moves the new belief system into a more fundamental, limbic level of processing. You are no longer "civilian", or whatever identity the group wants you to shed. The clinical term for this escapes me, I think it is that the group is essentially trying to re-consolidate the target's memory and self-concept.
Can someone link me to the juche zines?
Personally I think we need more schizo, psychedelic insurgency groups
>>2795211You might say
>nooo>but anon that is not materialist!<why?because theory is boring and wanting to throw over the state is more fun when it's being commanded by cosmic entities, embrace the coyote
>>2795183I didnt save the links and I didnt even save a lot of the pdfs from threads I just saved the one on their original theorists and organizers deaths and the thing about drugs which there was a ton of versions of some just looked like fixes, others different themes and discussions on drugs and pyschdelics. someone has to have them
I do remember the name of the blog linked that was supposedly a voice tied to their Western/westcoast north America milieu but a lot of the information is probably scrambled to prevent themself from self doxing
https://marxistleninistmaoisttheory.blogspot.com/p/maoist-street-code.htmlhttps://poceral.blogspot.com/Some one also posted these
>>2795006 and I posted
>>2794798 >>2795328https://www.samwoolfe.com/2024/01/neoliberalism-competitive-psychedelic-use.htmlAn interesting read on LSD, neo liberalism, and communism thats relevant to this. hopefully that's the right zine i posted there there were a few versions of it with errors i had saved from the sites but im pretty sure i uploaded the right one this time. nb
>>2795348>>Renowned Marxist scholar David Harvey stated that, according to neoliberal thought, “all forms of social solidarity were to be dissolved in favour of individualism, private property, personal responsibility and family values.”
>>Neoliberal ideology can affect all aspects of the psychedelic experience, competitive feelings can be present during preparation, the session itself, and integration. It should be stressed that existing within a culture of individualism may play a role in such feelings, but this does not mean it is solely to blame.
>>Competitive feelings are natural and exist independently of political ideology. However, neoliberalism often acts to amplify, normalise, or justify these feelings. This ideology, which glorifies competition, can make the sense of being alone in your efforts to achieve happiness the default mode of being – it becomes completely normal to feel envy and jealousy when learning about the success of others, rather than sympathetic joy.
>>Psychedelic use – even if it leads to self-transcendent, transformative experiences – does not necessarily make one’s mind impenetrable to the influence of the dominant political ideology in society.
>>One may carry the conviction that one has been successfully ‘deprogrammed’ by psychedelics, but this may sometimes amount to spiritual bypassing: an unwillingness to confront negative traits, such as ego inflation and competitive feelings towards other psychedelic users.
>>Again, neoliberal ideology may amplify, normalise, or justify such mental states and feelings.
>>Capitalist realism is a concept he created, referring to “the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it.”
>>Fisher died before he got to complete his book Acid Communism
>>Acid communism is about ways of imagining a world after capitalist realism, and for Fisher, one of the ways to escape this reality is psychoactive drugs. The programme of acid communism is not to condone psychoactive drug use, but as an example this activity captures the philosophy of acid communism excellently.
>>To imagine new futures, we have to find ways to break out of our present myopia. Fisher’s acid communism is unique primarily for placing this goal above all others. For example, Marx’s call for class consciousness is a very acid communist idea, but the means of achieving class consciousness (the critiques and contradictions of capital) dominated much of Marx’s contribution. If Fisher had had more time, perhaps this would have been the fate of acid communism too, attempting to imagine new ways of achieving acidic or post-capitalist realist thought.
>>Instead, acid communism leaves us with a simple message. The future has been cancelled because we are unable to imagine anything other than the present. To invent the future, to escape our myopia, we have to go beyond the present bounds of our imagination. This is acid communism.
>>The concept of acid communism is a provocation and a promise. It is a joke of sorts, but one with very serious purpose. It points to something that, at one point, seemed inevitable, but which now appears impossible: the convergence of class consciousness, socialist-feminist consciousness-raising and psychedelic consciousness, the fusion of new social movements with a communist project, an unprecedented aestheticisation of every day life.Sorry thought i already posted this before i went to work
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