Modern transhumanism seems to have been entirely coopted by the extreme right, the fascist right.
The Elon Musks, Peter Thiels, Alex Carps, Sam Altmans, Mark Zuckerbergs, Nick Lands, Curtis Yarvins of the world.
These are people who hate humanity. Hate. Hate. Hate. Nothing but hate for the human condition.
These are people who see capitalism as both inescapable and worth accelerating to its maximum hostility, just to line their own pockets and see how many they can kill in the process, which they take pleasure in.
They want the working classes as a living dead, as digitised servitors, as brains hooked into a corporate matrix, hopeless and powerless to do anything but work.
They watch at Blade Runner, Ghost in the Shell, and read Neuromancer and decided the hellish dystopia is what they want, at any cost.
Why? For the aesthetics alone? Because they expect to be the corpolords on top of the dogpile for a brief moment? Due to pure psychopathological sadism?
If you listen to them they've stated their aims:
They want city states, owned and ran by megacorps, ruled by CEO kings, when millions of serfs toil for the 0.0001% to live in a synthetic cyberutopia.
Is it any wonder then, that the modern left reacts today with a total hatred to transhumanism?
Recently there's been a whole spate of videos from leftist content creators outlining how they believe transhumanism is an ontological evil, conceptually and entirely with no distinction between various ideological forms it may take.
But it didn't use to be that way.
There used to be a prevalent current of left wing, socialist transhumanism, and of anarcho-transhumanism.
UBI for humanity's sake. Cybernetics to treat injuries and disability. Full bodily autonomy. Computer driven economies to equalise wealth and prioritize well-being. Robots to clean our streets.
It was not about life extension via designer peptides and child-blood transfusions for the elites. Not AI taking the job of the artist. Post-humanism as an enhancement of capabilities, not as a tool of nihilistic self-extinction.
So can we, and should we revive left transhumanism? Can the left at last de-demonise the term?
Because, personally, the way I see it technology is advancing whether we like it or not.
In that case I think we're morally obligated to bend the direction of the incoming technocrisis towards leftist goals, to promote a socialist transhumanism as an alternative.
If the tech like a meteor crashing into a city can't be stopped we must direct it so that we can minimise casualties.
Left transhumanists should raise public consciousness of their ideology as much as possible and if capable eventually launch cyber attacks on the Palantirs and OpenAIs of this world, physically disrupt their murder tech, burn their data centres, steal their data to repurpose it and openly reveal their secrets, again and again and again until there's no alternative but for people begin to take seriously the need for technology to serve the goal of benefiting humanity, not ending it.
Anyway that's just something that I ended up think about today.
I'm not the most knowledgeable on this matter, so please tell me what you think should be done to prevent these sick freaks from forming their cyberpunk Hitler society.
Please let me know if you think it's possible to construct a real movement out of left transhumanism!
>>2795765Brother please don't bring up this topic here on this viper pit. 42Chan will have a transhumanism board, I'm on the dev team.
Also fuck leftism, left wing of capital.
Brother please delete your thread they will ruin it, save it for 42chan
>>2795765>Please let me know if you think it's possible to construct a real movement out of left transhumanism!It already exists, PTA / HTH
https://www.anarchy.bg/english/people-for-technological-advancement-who-are-we/ >>2795766How will it "ruin it"? And I don't know anything about your personal pet imageboard project.
If it's a success then good for you, we can browse both imageboards and discuss it there too.
But there's no reason we can't discuss it here and now. If it's important then discussing it should be spoken about as widely as is possible.
>>2795775Your choice to put this in the viper pit. Feel welcome to visit the transhumanism board /tra/ on 42chan once its up.
>>2795766>>2795768I will repost it if it gets deleted because we honestly do need a transhumanism thread.
Also, OP
>>2795765>anarcho-transhumanism>UBI for humanity's sake>That god awful flagBinned, holy shit.
>>2795766Some of you guys are so weird for no reason. As if I can't immediately tell what your politics were 10 years ago.
>>2795792It’s a very ugly shade of blue
Transhumanism has be deprecated by l/acc r/acc e/acc and u/acc
>>2795808Accelerationism has no specific relationship it, you're muddying the waters with your nonsense
>>2795811What I'm saying is transhumanism is no longer relevant now that accelerationism has taken the mantle
Don't forget William Gillis coming in and crowning himself as the father of it to push his market liberal grift, then claiming he never did after being called out, yet he still protects the wikipedia page on the topic from being edited
>>2795813Relevancy is nonsense, transhumanism exists as a timeless concept as long as people want to become immortal, modify themselves (in every conceivable way) and use technological / scientific means for improvement.
This is like saying "life is no longer relevant because nihilistic suicides are the new hip thing"
>>2795814At least he doesn't fuck with the simple wiki page for now, which is decent btw
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-transhumanism >>2795813You're just saying the direct opposite of my OP post here.
The unstoppable tide of tech advancement must be redirected by force away from it's current direction of fascistic accelerationism, which is maximum growth at the cost of human extinction.
Accelerationism is inherently nihilistic and anti-human, while transhumanism can be used for beneficial or harmful purposes depending on the ideology driving it and it's up to us to create a beneficial transhumanism rather than one that transforms the proletariat into a slave caste or dead which is what the Thiels etc of the world want.
>>2795826Not all strains of accelerationism are nihilistic and anti-human, but even so transhumanists have a right to subscribe to a nihilistic strain of thought and be critical of humanity and its flaws.
>>2795827There's a distinction between personal philosophical nihilism "life has no inherent meaning and it's meaningless to create my own purpose, boohoo I'm so edgy and/or depressed" which while not beneficial to humanity is largely harmless on an individual scale;
Versus the accelerationist billionaire nihilism "I hate existence and want civilisation to collapse into the worst possible dystopia for all except the top 0.001% of richest people" which in many ways is more akin to the Russian nihilists of the 1800s who committed crime and chaos just because, although at least the Russian nihilists had the excuse of suffering extreme poverty under Tsarist serfdom.
>>2795827I mean ultimately it boils down to individual interest vs what humanity is doing. And since the individual depends on the rest of civilization they are forced to compromise unless everyone takes on their outlook or allows them to become (in the literal material sense, not affirming their psyche) what they want.
Like if humanity's gone unreasonably luddic but the individual wants technology, then the rest of humanity becomes an enemy. Of course it would be best to look in the interest of all of humanity and try to bring collective betterment but when they trample on you it becomes a matter of survival.
How is any common person now supposed to reach for longevity let-alone immortality when the concept is being demonized by religions and most of the world population is religious? And only billionaires are seeking it for themselves so when they speak of it they are being ostracized by workers who think they share the greed of the billionaires.
>>2795836>Versus the accelerationist billionaire nihilism "I hate existence Again not in contradiction, a transhumanist might hate existence and want another existence.
>want civilisation to collapse into the worst possible dystopiaA transhumanist might think its best to start all over, its not in contradiction, although it is retarded, its not like anyone can force that to happen, civilization will either live or fall apart on its own accord, so believing civilization will fall is also not in contradiction with transhumanism. Some transhumanists are trying to reconcile with post-civ strains of thought.
I feel like you just disagree with Nechayev on the last part. I adore Nechayev but his approach was ultimately most destructive to himself and is idealistic to try to implement on a wide-scale.
The biggest enemy of transhumanism is reactionaries who wish to "return" or stagnate (prevent growth, development and generally stand behind anti-intellectualism).
>>2795765"Transhumanism" is a meme. If you understand the nature of efficiency, then you know that in reality only posthumanism/antihumanism exists.
>>2795844 (Me)
Btw I know why you hate nihilism, William Gillis brainwashed you, please be more open minded. Your mortal enemy are the bourgeois and reactionaries.
The worst reactionaries to ever exist will always be primmies and neo-luddites (if you don't believe the original luddites were shit, see Marx's condemnation of the luddites though).
And yet we still don't have to sweat over primmies, they mostly end up killing themselves in adventurism or random people (like MOVE and other religious doomsday cults) or are simply LARPing disgruntled online retards.
Also a correction on my error
>Versus the accelerationist billionaire nihilism "I hate existence <Again not in contradiction,Scratch the billionaire part though I didn't read it on accident.
Billionaires are obviously in contradiction because capital is a death drive and this mode of production is not sustainable, its self-destructive.
>>2795847Posthumanism cannot come to be without transhumanism first. It's in the name - transitioning, transcending. It is the transitional phase between the present and posthumanism.
Until humanity utilizes the environment to evolve into something else and bring an end to humanity, it will have to follow transhumanism.
>>2795852Its an ultimatum at that, either death or evolution, and with evolution ends the species which becomes something else. We have sapience and should be able to control our own evolutionary path through transhumanism accordingly.
What is the transhumanist’s plan for climate change?
>>2795943Transhumanism and environmentalism are distinct topics so you could find a full range of differing opinions. It's not an organised cohesive singular entity with a manifesto and outlines for each topic.
That said I would expect amongst basically all left and anarcho transhumanists, there is a full recognition of the deep shit we're in and support for efforts to reduce climate change. Technology brought us solar, wind turbines, biofuel. Utilise them to replace oil and gas. Maximal clean energy and development of new technologies to improve the environment and reduce emissions.
>>2795943Personally (and I can only write for myself, transhumanists don't have a united opinion on the matter) regrowth and scaling down of certain industries and adopting a utilitarian style of economic planning to figure out how to be most productive in accordance to scarcity, that is to encourage scientific study on overcoming scarcity and imposing certain limits for society.
If we can figure out how to terraform we should clean up our shit here first on Earth.
Also anti-civ types say that civilization is inherently unsustainable, if they're right we gotta like stop the breeding and become smaller ASAP, half life 2 Dr. Breen type shit. But that's just their thesis from their analysis.
>>2795960Another form of energy that isn't electricity would be nice, we're depleting our resources to produce electricity, the Dyson sphere ambition is a literal pie in the sky for now.
Good post but
>UBI for humanity's sake.
>the elites
>Not AI taking the job of the artist.
>we're morally obligated
Lmao
>physically disrupt their murder tech, burn their data centres, steal their data to repurpose it and openly reveal their secrets
Adventurism + won't happen + wouldn't do shit anyways
>>2796002Yea OP is still a bit of a libtard lmao
I didn't read tbh, but I was glad someone else identifies with transhumanism as well
>>2795826>unstoppable tide of techthen whats the point of being a "transhumanist" if its unstoppable
>fascistic accelerationism<calling your competitor fascist because you're madlmao
>Accelerationism is inherently nihilistic and anti-humanmaybe r/acc but not e/acc
> transhumanism can be used for beneficial or harmful purposes depending on the ideology driving it and it's up to us to create a beneficial transhumanism rather than one that transforms the proletariat into a slave caste or dead which is what the Thiels etc of the world want.this is just e/acc but you've added some weird "beyond humanity" concept ripped right from a sci fi
>>2796074 I'm not the anon but
>then whats the point of being a "transhumanist" if its unstoppableIts keeping it unstoppable, he just wrote that because it sounds cool and we gotta kill everyone against it.
>>2796077Also if primmies and neo-luddites win we're gonna burn all the forests down in revenge. Humanity could have always destroyed itself at any point in time after the discovery of fire. If they make us "go back" we take torches and start burning everything.
>>2796080Luddites weren't against technology they were for worker's rights and against machines replacing human livelihoods and against handcrafted goods being replaced with low quality mass produced slop.
If anything Ludditism is entirely necessary for technological progress to prove beneficial rather than harmful to humanity.
Are you forgetting like all of China
>>2796080Lay off the Dwarf Fortress
>>2796128Marx went on to imply the Luddites did not distinguish between the machinery and its utilization by capitalists. In fact, the Luddites, from the outset, were against the power behind the machines.
>against handcrafted goods being replaced with low quality mass produced slopArtisans were wrong.
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