/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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It’s quite interesting the Democrats aren’t doing the usual “never Trump” routine and now saying this instead.

We've all seen the calls. I mean, they're all over social media. May 1st, May Day, the actual fucking Labor Day. And there's a bunch of solid YouTube videos out there explaining that the reason America, the people who fucking got us Labor Day, got us May Day—the reason it exists is because people fought and died for the eight-hour workday. Okay? People went on strike. Workers got bombed at the Battle of Blair Mountain. I'm not gonna sit here and rehash why May Day matters or why strikes work. What I'm gonna talk about is this: we've seen these viral calls for a general strike over and over. How many times now? How many times have we seen that same post: shut it all down, don't go to work, one-day general strike? We've seen it more than a few times. And I'll be completely real with you: it hasn't added up to a whole lot.

But that doesn't mean we should stop trying to do this shit, right? People have to get prepped. People have to get prepared. One day is nothing. One day doesn't do a whole lot. And here's the thing to consider: something like 30% of the U.S. is unemployed or underemployed right now. So like, you might not even be working on May 1st. You might already be out of a job, or your only shift that week is on Friday, or what have you. Those are real factors. Still, a one-day strike might hit in some spaces. I've seen, love them or hate them, the PSL activate teachers' unions in the Carolinas. Tumbled through my feed: unionized teachers who are just not going to work. And if they got those unions on board, other people might move too, because that's the thing with this viral general strike: it seems like two groups, then three or four groups all got the same idea. So it's spreading in that decentralized way, a bunch of different groups pushing for the same general strike. I see it from some of my anarchist comrades too. General strike, May 1st, don't go to work, don't buy shit, stay at home, go to the park, kill a 18 pack of brews with the crew. But one day is not enough. You need multiple days. A week. Two weeks. You need to shut down the ports. If no goods are accepted, could you imagine what that would do to their economy, to the whole extractive economy, if the ports were shut down for two, three, four days, a week? Then we could make demands. Then we could actually make demands.

And that brings me to the other thing. What are the demands of this general strike? Abolish ICE? Is that it? No more AI data centers? Universal basic income? Because if we're gonna organize something that shuts down the entire fucking Epstein economy and hurts their wealth, maybe we should have some demands first. Which group is making the demands? Is there a charter I can sign? Shit, is it on Change.org? What are the demands behind the general strike? This is the same problem that the No Kings protests fall into. Like, if we just remove Trump, that doesn't necessarily solve the fact that more and more people are unemployed, more and more people have a terrible standard of living, more and more schools and hospitals are closing. It doesn't change the fact that our entire society is designed around extracting every moment of our life for the profit of an Epstein-level owning class, people with private islands doing horrible shit, crimes against humanity. Our lives are shaped and built to keep feeding them wealth, right? So when we say "we're just gonna stop playing our role for one day," that's not enough. We need serious demands.

So the best way to look at this single-day May Day strike is: hey, if you can do it, do it. Call in. Tell your fucking coworkers to call in. Tell people to call in. Go to the park, skip work, just don't go. Remember senior skip day? Just look at these one day strikes like that. If you build consensus with your people tonot to go to work, then don't fucking go. That's easy for some people. Others it's not yet possible. If we're gonna sustain a general strike, we need pantries and food shares and mutual aid. What about housing? How do you do a general strike in a country with a 'kill line' predicated on paying rent? I'm sure ten people walking out is great, but those ten people have rent, and they're all renting individual places. You need tenant unions. You need massive rent refusal at a scale we simply have not imagined yet. You need mutual aid funds. It has to be sustained. Because if ten million people said, "We're not paying rent until these demands are met," and if one of those demands is guaranteed housing as a human right, so we never pay rent again, why the fuck would we want to keep doing it? We're wising up to what their game is, to what this system is, and we don't want to be exploited anymore. So we set up a controlled rent rate or build some new framework. You see what I'm saying? These demands need to be crafted. They need to be built out.

So yeah, look, I support a single-day general strike, and I think if enough people do it and buy into it, it can send a message. But it has to be real shit. I hate—one of the things I hate most is when you see these general strike posts saying "don't shop at big businesses, only support small businesses." No. Look, if you are a small business owner and an ally to the cause, you need to be shutting your business down on these general strike days. And if you can't do that, then that makes you a class enemy. I don't give a fuck. But if you say, "Hey, we're not opening the bar today, we're not opening the cafe, we're not opening the restaurants because we stand in solidarity," then get that guy a fucking medal or something because that guy will be an exception, not the rule. You're gonna see these class contradictions come to a head. What happens when the guy who runs three restaurants in town has all his workers call out? He might be a member of the DSA or whatever, but he's still in that owner position. And this is how we make our economic power known because at the end of the day, brother, you're just serving Sysco slop at your restaurant, we know you hate it as much as we hate it. We're trying to help you out by shattering monolopy capitalism.

So we need demands. Real, serious demands. These demands need to be better than just reform. Do we want universal basic income, like two thousand dollars a month for everyone, or to get rid of the whole system of landlording where you pay some other guy a monthly fee just to exist on earth and have shelter, then we should probably fucking get those demands in writing and make them worth our while if we're gonna encourage people to actually strike, right? If there's no fucking demands, there's no way to get people encouraged to go do this shit. You know what might encourage people? Not having to pay rent again. Getting a debt jubilee. Having universal healthcare. Building high speed rail. People don't just do things for the sake of doing them. They do this shit because they want power to change their circumstances. So it falls to us, the organic intellectuals and the revolutionaries and the people trying to build this new future out, to craft those demands and figure out a means of presenting them to the masses with legitimacy, with a mandate. What is stopping the DSA, which has a chapter in every major city, from putting out, "Hey, two years from now we're gonna call a constitutional convention and build that list of demands"? What stops that? Our lack of fucking imagination? Our lack of moxie?

So look, May Day, May Day general strike, one day. If you can't fucking do it, don't feel bad about it. That's a failure on us for not building the organization. That's a failure on us for not building the demands that empower the worker and the working class and the masses against the capitalist. It's our fault when these things fail because we have not envisioned something that motivates people to give a damn. Yes, we live in hell, but it's a comfortable, slow-burning hell. And I'm gonna tell you: people do not like to do things just for the sake of doing them. We don't do charity work. We do work to empower people.

Take, for example, why it might be hard to get someone involved in your community food share. We have a small group, and every week we feed people in the park, eighty people, a hundred people, fifty people, however many show up that week, they're getting fed. And there are groups like this in every fucking city in this goddamn country. These groups are the ones who have to build out the infrastructure for a long-term general strike. It's on us. So why might people not want to help? Because they feel like it's just charity. The homeless will always exist, and I'm just going to feed them. It's charity work, doing it for the sake of doing it. But if you hit them and say, "No, because we're bringing all these people to the park, and it's visible and noticeable, and there's a big banner that says Democratic Socialists on the fucking table. And yeah, the police are watching us, and that makes them look bad, because these are people the state should be caring for but isn't. And then you hand a milk crate of twenty meals to a guy, and he goes back to where he's staying and hands those meals out to other people, because you've empowered the community to do mutual aid. And because everyone in the community knows you, you've started networking with different businesses, small businesses, allied businesses—the kind of people who will shut shit down when the general strike happens. The local pizza spot hooks us up with twenty pizzas once a month, for free, to feed the people." Then you can tell people that we're doing this so we can get power within the city, stop bad development, do X, Y, Z, because now we have all these different people who see us, and we're visible, and we're making a statement. It's not just a church group thing, going to feed the people. No, we're different. We're empowering the masses.

If we fail to empower the masses—if we don't go to them with that thought process—how can we even build a list of demands? How can we expect anyone to commit to the bit hard enough to do a general strike when we haven't committed to the bit ourselves, when we're not willing to put it all on the line for what we believe in? If we're not willing to put it all out there for what we stand for, how can you expect anyone else to follow what we're saying? We're not even committed. So as we come into this May Day, this May 1st, this Labor Day, this one-day general strike: if you can do it, please, I applaud you. Do it. But if you cannot, think about why you cannot. And if you can, go get involved, so the next time one of these calls rolls around, maybe you and three or four other people can participate and we can build our numbers up. Look how fast they're getting these AI data centers approved. A data center opening up that uses twice the amount of power as the state of Utah, employs maybe ten people, and takes a whole lot of jobs. Why is that happening so fast? Because the capitalist is way more organized than we are. If you want to win, you have to get fucking organized. And we're not. That's why these single-day, viral, one-day general strikes don't work, why they haven't made a fucking dent in making our world better.

We gotta step up. Every time you look at this fucking world and see how bad it is, don't get doomer. Don't let it break you. Let it build you up. It's the only way we're gonna win.

>>2796129
>For one, a recent analysis conducted by a think tank based in Brussels, calculated that the toll that Iran is demanding of roughly $1 per barrel of oil passing through would only end up raising global oil prices by about 5 to 40 cents a barrel, which might seem like a bargain compared to the extra $40 per barrel that the prices increased to with the strait completely closed altogether. The think tank's calculations also suggested that the Arab Gulf exporters themselves like Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, and the UAE would end up paying more than 80% of the total cost of Iran's toll, while the rest of the world would only be minimally affected. This would likely end up collectively costing the Arab Gulf state somewhere between six and 14 billion dollars a year to pay that they weren't paying at all prior to this war. Which obviously really sucks for them, but it's also arguably more palatable at this point than seeing the strait continuing to be closed altogether, which in only a little over one month already cost them more than $50 billion in lost exports and output. Iran would stand to earn billions of dollars a year if they were successful in implementing this toll booth idea on the strait of Hormuz. money that could function as a source of reparations payments that could help to rebuild the country's shattered infrastructure after the end of the war….

So this whole thing is being kept going on spite alone. It's a game of chicken between two cars and both drivers threw their steering wheel out the window to show they mean business

>>2796129
>>2796221
YT slop

>>2796220
You should have actually shot Caitlin Bennett

yo check out this sick wasp i found king

>>2796231
Clown timeline

>>2796159
These kids are fucked man this thing can't even do the abcs

>>2796224
YT slop and even chatgpt output is better than what 80% of people on here have to say which is usually just ragebait or schizophrenia

>>2796231
everyone in that picture is a sick WASP

>>2796238
That’s an insult to wasps

>>2796236
WHAT are you TALKIGN ABOUT?!?!?!? M<Y posts are the FIENST DSFVELOP MENNBT IN THEORY since ARTSTOTE

>>2796220
I'll go outside my basement and finally look at what the party i was apart of is doing on labor day, lets see if anything happens

>>2796220
Also handing out food in the park is a massive waste of time, you should be using your military training to create an army which is capable of actually, physically waging war on the state.

>>2796239
They're very interesting animals.

>>2796244
you need to feed your soldiers

This dumb mofo really is that petty. Apparently cuz Obama got his face on some commemorative Metro cards for his inauguration, it means Trump putting his face on everyone's passports is justified

>>2796247
Houdini is a trained soldier, not a cook. His skills are wasted handing out sandwiches in the park. He just refuses to use his military training to fuel proletarian resistance because fundamentally he doesn't want any real change, which is why he DIDN'T shoot Caitlin Bennett and then talked to cops about it.

>>2796159
I love how it just gave up after the D.

>>2796251
You do it then if it's so damn important

>>2796251
>Houdini is a trained soldier, not a cook.
pretty sure he was just a fational tard sorry national guard which is like a really really low bar rather than the navy seals copypasta you're pretending it is
> He just refuses to use his military training to fuel proletarian resistance because fundamentally he doesn't want any real change, which is why he DIDN'T shoot Caitlin Bennett and then talked to cops about it.
factory status?

>>2796187
Please post a link, this is past comical and well into pathetic

>>2796255
I am not a trained soldier. I own guns and can shoot them fairly accurately but there is a large gap between that and actually being trained how to inflict violence against an enemy. Houdini has that training.

>>2796256
National guard is the same basic training as the regular army, meaning Houdini passed the exact same course an army infantryman would pass.

hmmm i always thought that even larp militias had more training than natguards

>>2796261
Yeah, that's wrong.

Basic training is identical for the guards because they are specifically designed to be able to fill in the gaps in the army at a moments notice rather than requiring extensive retraining. The guards don't have as much experience as regular soldiers, but the training is totally uniform among the entire military.

>>2796258
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3351627/pentagon-mulls-plan-outsource-warship-design-and-building-south-korea-japan

This is the source, U.S. Naval Institute news, semi official news site for the U.S. Navy, (USNI news):
https://news.usni.org/2026/04/24/u-s-considering-foreign-designs-shipyards-for-new-navy-frigate-destroyer-work-in-1-85b-study
with information of a pentagon report, actually considering to outsource the design and manufacturing of navy frigates and destroyers.

>>2796267
ahahahaha oh wow

>>2796260
>>2796263
the thing is that the average army infantryman is trained to be an instrument of violence, not an independent planner and facilitator of same. in the same way that the average factory worker is trained to behave as a machine overseen by their manager. they exist solely to have an officer point at who to murder.

>>2796275
The only difference between soldiers and officers is that officers are educated in theory rather then just practice. Once again, the basic training is all the same. A soldier can acquire a theoretical education and become an effective officer on their own. The manuals necessary to do so are literally open source in fact. You can study things like small unit tactics, fire team control and basic field communications. It is far more valuable to read these books instead of Marx and Engels, to be honest. We have far more need for officers than we do for economists.

>>2796211
No one in the education system is actually encouraging AI use afaik. It's just students trying to cheat. Back in my day that meant looking in the back of the math textbook for the answers, but the fact AI is applicable to every single subject is either gonna make schools transition to more hands-on learning that you can't cheat, or just give up and accept that it's a glorified daycare. Of course with Capitalism and the US education system being the way they are, we know which option will win out.

>>2796244
The flaw I've observed with leftism-as-charity is they never actually make any attempt to recruit people or mobilize them towards anything good. It's like they're taking the religion approach of "doing good for goodness' sake" and not actually trying to achieve anything.

I'm so tired of leftists going out of their way to clean up Capitalism's messes. It's a huge drain on our already limited resources and gives us no material benefit. It's also very much a "teach a man to fish" situation where these people become dependent towards the charity system because they aren't building anything with their own two hands.

You could at least recruit the homeless to do something useful for the movement in exchange for food. Homeless people are usually bored as fuck and desperate for something that makes them feel useful to society, and this also helps you filter out the ones that have no revolutionary potential or just wanna trade it for drugs.

>>2796276
>The only difference between soldiers and officers is that officers are educated in theory rather then just practice.
that's too neat. freshly commissioned and non commissioned officers are instruments as well, only one step up the hierarchy of instrumentation along with a step up in pay grade. the more qualified one becomes to plan prepare and order violent action, the less material incentive one has to turn said qualification against the military apparatus from which one emerged.
>the basic training is all the same.
yeah, and what i'm saying is that basic military training doesn't equip one for the specialized tasks of organization, logistics, management, etc. let alone the prospect of doing any of these things absent the ordering discipline of the industrialized special armed body basic training trains one to depend upon. that's why specialist military training exists.
>A soldier can acquire a theoretical education and become an effective officer on their own. The manuals necessary to do so are literally open source in fact.
anyone can do this. comparable weapons training to what you'd get in basic training is also open source. regardless, i do not believe that a successful social revolution will be waged against bourgeois society by roving bands of auto-didact street guerrillas, least of all by those who announce their intentions in public forums.

>>2796280
>You could at least recruit the homeless to do something useful for the movement in exchange for food.
the issue with this line of thought is that no one ever really has a good idea of what would constitute "something useful", and even if they did, it immediately begs the question of why they're not just doing that "something useful" themselves instead of trying to do revolution-by-day-labor.

>>2796287
>and even if they did, it immediately begs the question of why they're not just doing that "something useful" themselves instead of trying to do revolution-by-day-labor.
imagine if contemporary Marxists told Lenin or Mao to just "do revolution yourself" lmao

>>2796292
that's not my point. if you have a legitimate reason to be marshalling a bunch of people, then go for it. my problem is that even if you could muster those means, no one ever answers towards what end they would even be applied. what could 10 homeless people and the 10 college students feeding them in a public park do that the 10 college students weren't perfectly capable of doing with equal effect by themselves? if you have a good answer to that, great. i don't, and i haven't heard one yet.

>>2796284
The manuals are available but the actual training that you receive at military boot camp is incredibly difficult to replicate unless you have an actual military structure.

>>2796292
back in Lenin or Mao's time, Lenin and Mao were actually talking to large gatherings of armed workers and peasants in real life, not yelling at them on an anonymous internet forum where everyone assumes everyone else is a fed, so maybe the analogy here is conflating two very different material circumstances, so different in fact I have only scratched the surface in how different they are.

>>2796298
right, i agree. the thing that makes the average infantryman useful as a mindless instrument of wanton violence is the actual military structure that gives them boot laces and ammunition and pay. it is only the exceptional infantryman that could carry on as a professionally effective weapon without that structure.

>>2796297
>what could 10 homeless people and the 10 college students feeding them in a public park do that the 10 college students weren't perfectly capable of doing with equal effect by themselves?
this is such a stupid question I'm not even sure how to begin answering it but generally speaking more manpower is better than less manpower. on top of that homeless people are not useless dregs, many of them DO have skills that can be leveraged towards revolution. this idea that the homeless or downtrodden only exist for receiving charity and cannot be mobilized is fucking retarded.

to be a bit more specific though, the American left is full of "educated professionals" and very little actual laborers that can be used to build a proper community. we need more of these people that have experience in agriculture or trades or the military or even working in service/retail that can be mobilized to develop actual "mutual aid" networks that aren't just a soup kitchen with a library. give these people the opportunity to be useful and make them feel like valuable members of your movement instead of just giving them charity. the left has rejected charity since the fucking inception of organized labor for the very reason that it breeds complacency, dependence, and social hierarchies; the fact american leftists STILL insist on doing it anyway is just laughably stupid.

if you want a very specific example, every major American city has a ton of homeless veterans, why aren't we appealing to their needs and building loyalty so we can have an armed and trained vanguard that are out in the streets at all times to protect people from the pigs during protests? just treat people like human beings, give them a productive job to do, and pay them for their labor instead of charity. it's a lot more productive for organizing labor if everyone feels like they're contributing to a movement.

>>2796300
>back in Lenin or Mao's time, Lenin and Mao were actually talking to large gatherings of armed workers and peasants in real life
Mao spent years talking to tiny crowds(like 4-10 people) of illiterate peasants that lived on less than a dollar a day and mobilized them into a loyal military force and mutual aid network that conquered China. Meanwhile American leftists can't even mobilize literal college graduates and trained professionals to do anything except suck up resources. there's really no excuse for relying on charity as your means of left-wing outreach.

>>2796305
It's more than that, it's the strict discipline and the large scale drills that are virtually impossible to replicate for a "civilian" organization. Things like the mechanics of working as a group while moving, shooting and communicating. Commercial tactical drills exist but army infantry practices constantly. They are vastly more experienced than even the most serious "competitive shooter"

>>2796306
>to be a bit more specific though, the American left is full of "educated professionals" and very little actual laborers that can be used to build a proper community.
>we need more of these people that have experience in agriculture or trades or the military or even working in service/retail that can be mobilized to develop actual "mutual aid" networks that aren't just a soup kitchen with a library.
what exactly is it that keeps these people with such experience from being useful to presently existing communities? it is their exclusion from means of production. land, tools, machinery, money. the reason that "mutual aid" bottoms out in charity is that the people most interested in abolishing private ownership of means of production, i.e. your "educated professionals, themselves own no land to farm. at best, they can buy the ingredients to put in a pot. maybe they should put their money together to buy a farm, or a series of failing used car dealerships.
>why aren't we appealing to their needs and building loyalty so we can have an armed and trained vanguard that are out in the streets at all times to protect people from the pigs during protests?
the only people with the actual means of meeting their needs are the owners of productive capital. even giving them weapons to do this would be a substantial monetary investment. that's before you even consider the aforementioned question of why the "educated professionals" presumably buying the arms don't just arm themselves (or better, spend the money on a tract of arable land or a failing used car dealership).

>>2796314

Mutual aid, well real mutual aid, is closer to what people dismiss as "lifestylism." It's not just handing out goods that's how most people treat it, like a charity drive that isnt sourced from corporations. Real mutual aid is living it every day the shared labor, the comradery, the waking up next to the same people you struggle with. Apparently, when a group or community actually reaches that level of daily, embodied mutual aid, people like to call it a cult or a LARP. Make it make sense.

>>2796316

even mutual aid is neoliberal now most people live their highly individualized neo liberal lifestyles then hand some food out, repeat.

>>2796314
your logic just sounds like defeatism tbh. if the black panthers were able to mobilize the poor and homeless into a successful people's militia what's stopping you from doing the same?

>what exactly is it that keeps these people with such experience from being useful to presently existing communities?
the fact they are unhoused? it's pretty hard to keep a job if you don't have a phone number or a mailing address and it's even harder if you have substance abuse problems as most homeless people do.

>the only people with the actual means of meeting their needs are the owners of productive capital.
yeah obviously the bourgeois have an easier time exploiting the labor of others but the bourgeois already discarded these people. they don't have the option of working at walmart or mcdonalds, the only work they can find is unpaid "charity" work or illicit labor like working for gangs. this isn't just true for the homeless but also for people with any kind of mental or physical disabilities, many of them want to be useful but capitalism doesn't want to accommodate their needs so they're just stuck collecting disability.

to be honest I don't think working "within the system" is ever going to succeed, you need to be willing to mobilize these people for illegal tactics that can build you a large amount of resources quickly. hell literally just hire the homeless to work in a scam call center to steal money from boomers. it's more productive than just giving them charity. or organize them into shoplifting rings and use it to accumulate resources while simultaneously building networks of comrades within the prison system that can protect eachother and create mass support among those who have already fallen through the cracks of society. or utilize them for vigilantism to harass/assassinate porkies and force them to move out of the cities so their property can be reclaimed by local residents.

the fact leftists have all these options for organizing lumpens and proles and just resort to handing out sandwiches and booklets is just really a huge missed opportunity. or maybe it's intentional that organizing has been replaced by charity, just like CPUSA preaching suicidal-nonviolence while they tail the Democrats. the left has been hijacked by petit-bourgeois college students and the PMC's that just want to treat it as a hobby.

>>2796316
This is also the exact thing you learn in military basic training too. How to actually work as a team under periods of severe stress with people you might not even like. You work together, suffer together and live together. It forms an incredibly strong bond among soldiers that is absolutely necessary for effective operations.

that is the sort of thing that cannot be easily replicated without an actual military apparatus. That apparatus can only be replicated by soldiers with military training and experience, specifically those with experience in training other soldiers. Not just officers but NCOs are absolutely vital.

>>2796319
>if the black panthers were able to mobilize the poor and homeless into a successful people's militia what's stopping you from doing the same?
the globe spanning military-security apparatus that partially emerged in direct response to groups like the black panthers arming themselves to confront police and demonstrate on public property in force? the same one that neutralized and dismantled their organization in fact? does one have to be defeatist to question the prospect of emulating a defeated movement without interrogating why that movement was defeated in the first place?

>>2796330
>the globe spanning military-security apparatus that partially emerged in direct response to groups like the black panthers arming themselves to confront police and demonstrate on public property in force? the same one that neutralized and dismantled their organization in fact? does one have to be defeatist to question the prospect of emulating a defeated movement without interrogating why that movement was defeated in the first place?
so, what, we just give up on ever defeating the state because the state might fight back? do you just want to operate in the shadow of capital as some nonthreatening charity group forever? what exactly is the endgame of "organizing" if you have no intention of actually winning?

>>2796331
>so, what, we just give up on ever defeating the state because the state might fight back?
no, it's not a question of whether the state "might" fight back, it's that the contemporary police state was engineered in such a way as to render the specific model of resistance you are appealing to obsolete.
>do you just want to operate in the shadow of capital as some nonthreatening charity group forever?
nothing i said even implied that. i am also critical of activist charity.
>what exactly is the endgame of "organizing" if you have no intention of actually winning?
that's my question for you. what is the point of organizing on the model of an organization that failed and was violently dismantled by forces which have only metastisized since? what have you learned from the failure of the black panthers that you would apply this time to avoid sharing their fate?

>>2796331
The "endgame" is being organized until the material conditions become favorable, then you can actually act, as long as the government is functional, there is nothing to be done at all that could be decisive

>>2796335
>the contemporary police state was engineered in such a way as to render the specific model of resistance you are appealing to obsolete.
you're giving the state way too much credit. 40% of cops are obese. most of the data collected by the "police state" is completely useless and just used to pad their stats to justify increasing the NSA budget. we've had more presidential assassination attempts in the past 5 years than the previous 30 years and we're supposed to pretend all this data collection is preventing anything? I would argue with how widespread information is and how easy it is to disrupt supply chains that the state is more vulnerable to subversion now than its ever been in history. the security theater of the surveillance state serves a dual purpose: making the public feel like the government is what keeps them "safe" but also making potential dissidents feel like they're always being watched to dissuade anyone from trying anything. somehow with all the "surveillance" in the world 9 times out of 10 when a mass shooting or terrorist attack happens the FBI is only there to say the subject was "known to them" and yet they did nothing to prevent it. it's almost like mass surveillance just creates an endless sea of information that is impossible to sort through or filter for anything actionable and you can only use it with hindsight, and even then it's often useless because there's too many blindspots if someone isn't a social media addict or has reasonably good opsec.

>that's my question for you. what is the point of organizing on the model of an organization that failed and was violently dismantled by forces which have only metastisized since?
I mean, just because the USSR fell doesn't mean you can't learn from it. Every failure is a learning opportunity unless you're dead.

The black panthers got dismantled because of preexisting infighting and betrayal. of course this was amplified by the FBI actively trying to blackmail or bribe members into betraying the movement and infiltrating it with glowies but if you have discipline and good opsec you can minimize these risks of your org destroyed from the inside. what you don't want is an org full of members who all have their own goals and will betray you as soon as you ask them to do something they don't like. you need a singular goal and a unified organizational structure where everyone has personal loyalty to the movement.

>>2796339
>The "endgame" is being organized until the material conditions become favorable, then you can actually act, as long as the government is functional, there is nothing to be done at all that could be decisive
This is backwards, you're supposed to be the ones actively working to weaken the government's grip and creating favorable conditions for revolution with your activities. If you're not doing that, you're gonna be waiting a long fucking time for Lenin to come down from the heavens and smite the government. You should be actively agitating with your comrades to push the government's influence out of your communities, whether through physical means with things like community policing and fighting gentrification, or through mutual aid networks that make people less reliant on wageslavery to pay their bills. If you actually want a revolution in your lifetime you have to be willing to create the conditions for it, otherwise Capitalism will keep chugging along for another 200+ years, and when it finally croaks it'll be the fascists that already have armed militias ready to enslave the entire population of the US while Communists just have food banks.